Great video showing how complicated the electric system was on a Model"T" auto. The modern ignition systems are much easier to repair and understand. Thanks for the showing the difference.
Thank you for sharing this video even though you knew it wouldn’t get a lot of views. I’ve been working on cars since the mid 90’s and could tell you everything about current vehicle. I’ve only recently become interested in learning about Ford Model Ts and I thought you did a great job.
donnie short Thank you Sir. I am not motivated by views. Only what interests me. And you hope at least a couple of others will see it the same way. Thx again...Cheers
Thanks for this video. A nice fellow was showing me his Model T Ford today, a 1922 model I think he said... anyway I asked him how the timing worked as I noticed the ignition system was firewall mounted and there wasn't a visible distributor. He even showed me an old coil in the wooden box. As an aircraft mechanic I can tell you I've seen some cool stuff but this old car was truly a work of art. So very simple but also mechanical genius as well. Considering the available technology the engineering behind this car and the mass production of it was pure genius as well. When I seen the exterior contact points on the coil box it left me scratching my head but your video along with the coil diagram made it all clear to me. The operation is so simple you can actually overthink it. High voltage output from induction generated by a high frequency coil modulation...field collapse and motivation. MSD ignition system from the cave man era lol. But what ain't funny about it is that it all still works like a champ. A 100 year old ignition system with original wiring that still freaking works! Don't get me wrong, I sure as hell wouldn't want to try to crank it on a cold frozen night with that hand crank...but you know it still had to beat the heck out of walking or riding a horse!!!
Wesley Umbarger Very well said Sir. Very much like yourself, I really admire the elegant simplicity. The original Multi Spark Discharge system 😀 Thanks for watching. Your meaningful comment is greatly appreciated. Cheers 👍
Great video thanks for uploading…frequency fires the engine…Not the spark…see the SUZUKI video and JOE X video. Joe talks about waste spark management and how the CONDENSER Frequency is the most important component of the ICE ignition system. The oldest cars and airplanes fired on Flatline DC frequency ONE WIRE to the engine block and it would work on 1 - 12 cylinder engines…NO SPARK INVOLVED. 80 degrees advanced from TDC Top Dead Center. Plz put more like this up thx great video!
Questions. This car its the one ford did recall buy back most of units sold on us . And the other thing its the a/c electric create on this kinda of sistem will boil water and creates movement in the crank . The only problem is the sistem need to be ready creating the A/C in order to no stop and control the volume of fluid cause if its to much will hidrolock . The suzi its same think and will runn . Now if the a/c power its steady and dont fluctuate is just start and runn . Give exempl get lawnmower and put wire from the outlet of the house a/c on top of the spark and the ground on the body of the motor and runn after start u can use water to keep going the only thing to remember its u need to ajust the volume of liquid.
yes you are right multipel spark system it was common to use multipel primary,secundary wires in different configuration including different condenser and resistor values commonly they look like dimmer rotary switches . So tehnicaly speaking they are similar to Hei or Cdi ignition even that spark polarity can be changed as well. Dual engine designs used dual spark . Your realy good at it hoppe you have sucess finding new things that book is nice to look that manual ajusting is necesary still today modern ignition systems are terribel choice they have to much problems that same ignition system you are describeing was even strong enough to fry raw oil those old engines used also dual fueling carburetors the exaust pipes were close to carburetor so actualy that engine was multi fuel engine preaty cool staff considering how old that thing was
I find the whole thing quite fascinating. sir. Should have done this many, many years ago. Sometimes the obvious is invisible to the eye. You sir, are an excellent teacher. Excellent inflection and clarity. You make the that which at first appears murky but then a moment of clarity ensues. Of course. So simple. Why didn't I think of that. No damn computers. Just a basic application of Ohm's Law. KISS principle. If it ain't broke why fix it. 15 million is a LOT of anything in our present dilemma. Haven't had time to read all the comments but wouldn't worry about shaky pointer comment. If I were doing the video I'm sure Id be like a rabbit jacked on meth. Not quite as calm as you. I'm a little hesitant to open this subject but I will anyways. The following is strictly off the books. So far just conjecture. Will have to draw the circuits myself to help figure it out. Maybe it's too simple. Apparently Ford was having some kinds of trouble with the oil companies. So what he said to them was either leave me alone or I'll set up my cars to run magnetically. Because of the huge magneto cow magnets in the large housing behind the engine. Always protect your electrical stuff from the elements. I just wonder. Could it be done? Take the petrol engine out of the equation and maybe use the battery somehow. H'mm. I wonder. There's still so much we don't know about electrons and magnets. All started with that darn Faraday's disc. You're looking at the meter and saying, WTF!!! How can a "solid" sheet produce a small voltage. I though a voltage was produced.when a magnetic field rotated past a coil of wire/wires. Or vica versa. Another h'mm. Too many mysteries. Excellent video. sir. Well done. Doesn't matter how many people see this video. There are always the seekers.
Thank you very much. It’s greatly appreciated you took the time to leave your thoughts on the subject. Learning is like that...If your not catching a “Buzz” ( no cheap pun intended) your not studying the right material for you. Thanks again...Cheers 👍
Bloody brilliant upload. Endless thanks for your time. 2,144 views to date only 68 thumps up. This is fantastic, come on you lot more encouragement. I'm a self taught motor mechanic, got my first motorcycle in 1967 age 16. Still disillusioned with most in the trade even engine machinists don't seem to do as you request. It’s generally not the tradie but the dealer at fault. Some self employed motor mechanic are ratbags, be very careful out there.
A cross between the 'lawn mower engine' style magneto and 'coil on/near plug' system. That picture you showed of the horse shoe magnets on the flywheel, i counted 16 mounted on it. But i didn't see the magnet keepers mounted to it to stop them flying off.
Hi and thx for watching...Think they came in different styles over the production run but I am a no expert...not even close. Just found the ignition system design quite unique. Thx again.
Cheers Ian. I see your comments on some of the others guy's I sub to. You should consider posting some of your own stuff . Don't worry about the quality. Most of my stuff is pish and it doesn't stop me! Just a thought.
Thank you for making this video, I have a 1917 and the only thing that is left is the Commutator and I didn't know anything about the IS before the video. I don't have any thing but spark plugs and the commutator, I'm glad I saw your video before I tried putting a modern coil on and feeding the plugs from the commutator because I was thinking it was a distributor. lol, what if I put four modern coils after the commutator, do you think that would work, or would I need more things in-between to make it work?
While triggering a modern coil on plug set up is possible I am not sure that would be the best approach. Did you consider obtaining the box and coils. I am not a “T” owner but think they can still be had still at not too ridiculous cost…
@@TheGibby3340 Yes I have, and I want to , Its just in the mean while a lot of them peace are out of my price rang or are in need of costly repair.. I don't' have 300+ bucks to dump in to coils atm, right now I just want to see the motor run, and I if I could find a ez cheep temp fix for the mean while I would be happy
Another informative video on the Model T Ignition System overview with details on coil testing and adjusting is here: th-cam.com/video/RYcGD-8Ol3s/w-d-xo.html
Great video showing how complicated the electric system was on a Model"T" auto. The modern ignition systems are much easier to repair and understand. Thanks for the showing the difference.
It’s genius in design. Thx for watching 🍻
Thank you for sharing this video even though you knew it wouldn’t get a lot of views. I’ve been working on cars since the mid 90’s and could tell you everything about current vehicle. I’ve only recently become interested in learning about Ford Model Ts and I thought you did a great job.
donnie short Thank you Sir. I am not motivated by views. Only what interests me. And you hope at least a couple of others will see it the same way. Thx again...Cheers
This stuff interests me, too. That’s why I bought a Model T. I wanted to see what makes one tick!
I'm one of those guys who finds this interesting and I don't even own a Model T or Suzuki!
Thanks for watching. Cheers 👍
It's so old that it's new to me too, I found it interesting. Glad you shared it.
Hi Matt . I thought it was kinda interesting...not an ECU in sight. Cheers Pal. Enjoy the Week End.
thanks for sharing , was talking with a mechanic mate yesterday & he worked on a T about 50 yrs ago , it all came back .. interesting
Certainly is different. Thx for watching. Cheers
Thanks for this video. A nice fellow was showing me his Model T Ford today, a 1922 model I think he said... anyway I asked him how the timing worked as I noticed the ignition system was firewall mounted and there wasn't a visible distributor. He even showed me an old coil in the wooden box. As an aircraft mechanic I can tell you I've seen some cool stuff but this old car was truly a work of art. So very simple but also mechanical genius as well. Considering the available technology the engineering behind this car and the mass production of it was pure genius as well. When I seen the exterior contact points on the coil box it left me scratching my head but your video along with the coil diagram made it all clear to me. The operation is so simple you can actually overthink it. High voltage output from induction generated by a high frequency coil modulation...field collapse and motivation. MSD ignition system from the cave man era lol. But what ain't funny about it is that it all still works like a champ. A 100 year old ignition system with original wiring that still freaking works! Don't get me wrong, I sure as hell wouldn't want to try to crank it on a cold frozen night with that hand crank...but you know it still had to beat the heck out of walking or riding a horse!!!
Wesley Umbarger Very well said Sir. Very much like yourself, I really admire the elegant simplicity. The original Multi Spark Discharge system 😀 Thanks for watching. Your meaningful comment is greatly appreciated. Cheers 👍
❤❤ I Love this THANKYOU FOR SHARING!!
One coil per plug, multi spark discharge. 100+ years ago 😁 Thx for watching 🍻
Thanks for a great explanation.
Thx for watching. Cheers 👍
Thank you, I always like videos like this.
Thank you Sir. And thx for watching 🍻
This was very interesting. Thank you.
Thank you Sir & thx for watching. 👍🏻
Good video easy to understand, thanks.
Thx for watching 👍
Great video thanks for uploading…frequency fires the engine…Not the spark…see the SUZUKI video and JOE X video. Joe talks about waste spark management and how the CONDENSER Frequency is the most important component of the ICE ignition system. The oldest cars and airplanes fired on Flatline DC frequency ONE WIRE to the engine block and it would work on 1 - 12 cylinder engines…NO SPARK INVOLVED. 80 degrees advanced from TDC Top Dead Center. Plz put more like this up thx great video!
Thank you very much indeed. And thx for watching 🍻
Questions. This car its the one ford did recall buy back most of units sold on us . And the other thing its the a/c electric create on this kinda of sistem will boil water and creates movement in the crank . The only problem is the sistem need to be ready creating the A/C in order to no stop and control the volume of fluid cause if its to much will hidrolock . The suzi its same think and will runn . Now if the a/c power its steady and dont fluctuate is just start and runn . Give exempl get lawnmower and put wire from the outlet of the house a/c on top of the spark and the ground on the body of the motor and runn after start u can use water to keep going the only thing to remember its u need to ajust the volume of liquid.
yes you are right multipel spark system it was common to use multipel primary,secundary wires in different configuration including different condenser and resistor values commonly they look like dimmer rotary switches .
So tehnicaly speaking they are similar to Hei or Cdi ignition even that spark polarity can be changed as well.
Dual engine designs used dual spark .
Your realy good at it hoppe you have sucess finding new things that book is nice to look that manual ajusting is necesary still today modern ignition systems are terribel choice they have to much problems that same ignition system you are describeing was even strong enough to fry raw oil those old engines used also dual fueling carburetors the exaust pipes were close to carburetor so actualy that engine was multi fuel engine preaty cool staff considering how old that thing was
Thank you very much. And thanks for taking the time to leave a thoughtful comment. Cheers 🍻
I find the whole thing quite fascinating. sir. Should have done this many, many years ago. Sometimes the obvious is invisible to the eye. You sir, are an excellent teacher. Excellent inflection and clarity. You make the that which at first appears murky but then a moment of clarity ensues. Of course. So simple. Why didn't I think of that. No damn computers. Just a basic application of Ohm's Law. KISS principle. If it ain't broke why fix it. 15 million is a LOT of anything in our present dilemma. Haven't had time to read all the comments but wouldn't worry about shaky pointer comment. If I were doing the video I'm sure Id be like a rabbit jacked on meth. Not quite as calm as you. I'm a little hesitant to open this subject but I will anyways. The following is strictly off the books. So far just conjecture. Will have to draw the circuits myself to help figure it out. Maybe it's too simple. Apparently Ford was having some kinds of trouble with the oil companies. So what he said to them was either leave me alone or I'll set up my cars to run magnetically. Because of the huge magneto cow magnets in the large housing behind the engine. Always protect your electrical stuff from the elements. I just wonder. Could it be done? Take the petrol engine out of the equation and maybe use the battery somehow. H'mm. I wonder. There's still so much we don't know about electrons and magnets. All started with that darn Faraday's disc. You're looking at the meter and saying, WTF!!! How can a "solid" sheet produce a small voltage. I though a voltage was produced.when a magnetic field rotated past a coil of wire/wires. Or vica versa. Another h'mm. Too many mysteries. Excellent video. sir. Well done. Doesn't matter how many people see this video. There are always the seekers.
Thank you very much. It’s greatly appreciated you took the time to leave your thoughts on the subject. Learning is like that...If your not catching a “Buzz” ( no cheap pun intended) your not studying the right material for you. Thanks again...Cheers 👍
I like it. Pretty interesting stuff 👍
Dylan Still a handful of guys like ourselves that can still appreciate this stuff. Cheers Dylan...Ian
Bloody brilliant upload.
Endless thanks for your time.
2,144 views to date only 68 thumps up.
This is fantastic, come on you lot more encouragement.
I'm a self taught motor mechanic, got my first motorcycle in 1967 age 16.
Still disillusioned with most in the trade even engine machinists don't seem to do as you request.
It’s generally not the tradie but the dealer at fault.
Some self employed motor mechanic are ratbags, be very careful out there.
Thanks for the kind words. Cheers 👍
Nice one Ian
V4VAUXHALL Thanx Joe. Not everyone’s cup O tea. Hope your well.
A cross between the 'lawn mower engine' style magneto and 'coil on/near plug' system.
That picture you showed of the horse shoe magnets on the flywheel, i counted 16 mounted on it. But i didn't see the magnet keepers mounted to it to stop them flying off.
Hi and thx for watching...Think they came in different styles over the production run but I am a no expert...not even close. Just found the ignition system design quite unique. Thx again.
Interesting was hot would start if one of coils were sparking free start on battery màg weak on crank unless you er supernan
If we where all the same life would be boring Ian thanks for sharing
Cheers Ian. I see your comments on some of the others guy's I sub to. You should consider posting some of your own stuff . Don't worry about the quality. Most of my stuff is pish and it doesn't stop me! Just a thought.
@@TheGibby3340 it's something I was thinking just lack the confidence more so. Thanks for your comment.
Спасибо что рассказал👍
Thank you Sir.
How many volts and amperes produced this AC system . Because if he worked on AC then he could be use for example by an AC welder in the field
Sorry I have no idea of the rating on the Mag...Thx for watching 👍
Thank you for making this video, I have a 1917 and the only thing that is left is the Commutator and I didn't know anything about the IS before the video. I don't have any thing but spark plugs and the commutator, I'm glad I saw your video before I tried putting a modern coil on and feeding the plugs from the commutator because I was thinking it was a distributor. lol, what if I put four modern coils after the commutator, do you think that would work, or would I need more things in-between to make it work?
While triggering a modern coil on plug set up is possible I am not sure that would be the best approach. Did you consider obtaining the box and coils. I am not a “T” owner but think they can still be had still at not too ridiculous cost…
@@TheGibby3340 Yes I have, and I want to , Its just in the mean while a lot of them peace are out of my price rang or are in need of costly repair.. I don't' have 300+ bucks to dump in to coils atm, right now I just want to see the motor run, and I if I could find a ez cheep temp fix for the mean while I would be happy
Another informative video on the Model T Ignition System overview with details on coil testing and adjusting is here: th-cam.com/video/RYcGD-8Ol3s/w-d-xo.html
Glad you shared it but please learn NOT to be so shaky with your pointer.
Fair comment. Thx for watching.