I,m from Sweden and i am a hunter. I follow all your videos with pleasure👍Once i asked a hunting friend of mine what about the spots on his blued Carl Gustav 300WM rifle. He told me that he had forgotten to take away some moose blood, and i can tell you that that those spots looked similar. I say yes, that Mauser could have been in contact with blood under longer time. Not unusual for a WW2 pistol.
I think, that "flash hider" is really a flair launcher. It looks just like the ones that are put on the stupid blank gas pistols we have in Europe. It makes sense for a naval pistol to be able to fire flairs using blanks for signaling and "SOS". makes more sense In my opinion.
You are right! I had Walther P22 made by Umarex I bought it in Germany and it came with flare launcher which you screw at the end of the barrel like silencer.
Could it be something to do with blackouts on ships at night, out in open ocean a smal light or flash could be seen for miles, and they(not only the German navy) had strict rules about it, they won't even allowed to light a cigarette or smoke on deck when a ship was on blackout
I used to make parts for John Martz Luger maker from Lincoln, CA and I must say I never saw a Luger with a "Flash Hider " Luger pistols don't need flash hiders.
The restoring thing reminded me of a guy on You Tube had a 1874 winchester all pitted up and he used what he called a micro welder and pain painstakingly welded each little pit and ultimately restored the rifle to new condition.
My first thought on that luger was flare launcher, lots of blank guns come with a similar thing. I'd think the guy writing the book would at least be semi familiar with such a thing though.
@@herk8762 There have been a number of theirs and phoneys in the gun collecting would and knife collecting would who presented themselves as experts and wrote books just to verify the authenticity of a fake item they intend to eventually sell.
The UK here, as you know handguns here are verboten. On the Luger muzzle device, it could well be a CK “Bell” that’s a cattle killer adaptation for the humane dispatch of larger animals. The gun clearly was registered here (civilian proof marks, probably from the 1950s and would have required proof testing after adaption) this would enable the owner to keep the gun for “despatching”, which would have been a legitimate reason to keep it, as required by law. W.W.Greener Ltd specialised in CK guns. FYI, On British proof of wartime German guns it’s fun to note, WW1 guns with Imperial German proof marks do not require additional proof and are considered valid marks, all WW2 Waffenampt marks are considered invalid and so do get re marked, so you shouldn’t see WW1 guns with British proofs, unless some modification have been made.
Flare launcher on Luger! I had Walther P22 pistol made by Umarex I bought it in Germany and it came with flare launcher which you screw at the end of the barrel like silencer, it looks exactly like that Luger
That's going to be a tough restoration with the limits you are putting on it. It's not possible to just blue part of a frame or whatever. The process is to remove the finish, metal prep (which if you have an actual smith, rather than a gun butcher do it will not round off corners and sharp edges) and then finish so all sections of the part match. It is possible to blue over old blue but leaves an ugly mottled appearance. It's a dirt-common Luger that will not lose an appreciable amount of value vs what it's worth now with the finish damage and broken grips. There is finish damage and then there's corrosion. Corrosion leaves pitting, which actually *can* be fixed via TIG (I think) welding to fill them in, rather than grind down to smooth. What you have there is mostly finish damage from some type of acidic liquid like, say, orange juice or something. Should be a fairly easy restoration if you find the right guy.
@@LegacyCollectibles Turnbull Restorations have a literal world class reputation. Look into them. I've seen his work; it's impeccable. John Turnbull is the go-to guy for Colt and Winchester collectors, so I'm pretty sure he could handle this. I'm also, unfortunately, sure that it would take a while as I'm sure he has a long backlog and it also won't be inexpensive. But, someone to consider.
In Germany blank guns are licencefree ( can be changed soon by current gouvernement). To nearly every blank gun an short attachment barrel is in box, to fire fireworks/signals. Those attachment barrels look rather similar to this ,thick end' of Pistole 08.
Tom, maybe a possibility that a soldier or officer was shot and killed, and blood soaked into the holster which then spackled the finish as it is? Maybe the bottom of the holster was bloody and the barrel sat in it for awhile before a GI was able to find it and grab it. Not sure about that, if you don’t think it’s blood splatter I take your word for it! I’ve known hunters that have had blued guns that have had very very similar marks where they laid a rifle down on a shot deer, and didn’t wipe the blood off fast enough and then a day or two later it had similar marks. Just a thought, thanks for all the great videos. We need this channel to get to 100k! You deserve it, maybe try hashtags and buzzwords of some kind, randy would know more than I about that stuff.
Tom i've seen a Luger like that before in Ian's videos from south Africa there's one or two on the wall behind him! check out the R 4 video!! and you can't use a muffler on a Luger the barrel assembly has to move in recoil and a muffler would alter the movement of the barrel assembly and cause malfunctions!! the Johnson 1841 rifle had the same problem when it came to mounting a bayonet! and the Churchill grab was going to done by Luftwaffe special forces!
@@markgman4157 actually on the Luger the barrel assembly does move back!! not a whole lot (about a 1/3 to 3/8ths of an inch!!) like a slide does but it does cycle back! the assembly has to cycle back so the toggle which is locked into the barrel will hit and climb up the curved back part of the frame to break and unlock from the barrel! go over to C+Rsenal and watch their episode oin the Luger Othais has a good animation showing it functioning! the problem with a Browning type action with a muffler is the barrel swings down to unlock and the weight of the muffler impedes that causing cycling issues, then the Knights manufacturing design for the Mk 23 came along, they added a booster chamber to increase recoil force to the can and that removed the weight delaying issue!
Great VIdeos Tom! I just bought a gun from Legacy first time customer! Im super confused, when people send you guns for TH-cam videos they have to re-do their FFL to get them back right?
Tom, you are a Soothsayer… Please send me the Super Lotto numbers. I will buy you a InterArms Walther PPK/S for the effort. I carried mine for 20 years (off-duty) and suffered the cuts and jams. I went to a Sig/Sauer P-230, but it sure was not as cool looking…
Interesting theory. Not sure the muzzle extension would qualify. But the book that features the gun was from the 70's so there would have been no need in Canada at that time.
I,m from Sweden and i am a hunter. I follow all your videos with pleasure👍Once i asked a hunting friend of mine what about the spots on his blued Carl Gustav 300WM rifle. He told me that he had forgotten to take away some moose blood, and i can tell you that that those spots looked similar. I say yes, that Mauser could have been in contact with blood under longer time. Not unusual for a WW2 pistol.
The flash hider looks great on a Luger.
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I think, that "flash hider" is really a flair launcher. It looks just like the ones that are put on the stupid blank gas pistols we have in Europe. It makes sense for a naval pistol to be able to fire flairs using blanks for signaling and "SOS". makes more sense In my opinion.
You are right! I had Walther P22 made by Umarex I bought it in Germany and it came with flare launcher which you screw at the end of the barrel like silencer.
Could it be something to do with blackouts on ships at night, out in open ocean a smal light or flash could be seen for miles, and they(not only the German navy) had strict rules about it, they won't even allowed to light a cigarette or smoke on deck when a ship was on blackout
Always such interesting, educational material.
History happened, nice of you to bring us some of it in a digestible format, thanks!~
Well said. Thanks
Looking forward to seeing that Luger 'restored'. Video of the process, not just a quick before after video.
another brilliant vid well done tom
I used to make parts for John Martz Luger maker from Lincoln, CA and I must say I never saw a Luger with a "Flash Hider " Luger pistols don't need flash hiders.
The restoring thing reminded me of a guy on You Tube had a 1874 winchester all pitted up and he used what he called a micro welder and pain painstakingly welded each little pit and ultimately restored the rifle to new condition.
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My first thought on that luger was flare launcher, lots of blank guns come with a similar thing.
I'd think the guy writing the book would at least be semi familiar with such a thing though.
You’d think. Anyone can write a book, that’s the scary part
@@herk8762
There have been a number of theirs and phoneys in the gun collecting would and knife collecting would who presented themselves as experts and wrote books just to verify the authenticity of a fake item they intend to eventually sell.
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I can't wait to see it when it done
There was a very popular form of pistol which shot glass beads full of pepper spray that break open at the barrel.
Crow feet found on bayonet scabbards too
King of Conjecture is still entertaining and informative.
The UK here, as you know handguns here are verboten. On the Luger muzzle device, it could well be a CK “Bell” that’s a cattle killer adaptation for the humane dispatch of larger animals. The gun clearly was registered here (civilian proof marks, probably from the 1950s and would have required proof testing after adaption) this would enable the owner to keep the gun for “despatching”, which would have been a legitimate reason to keep it, as required by law. W.W.Greener Ltd specialised in CK guns.
FYI, On British proof of wartime German guns it’s fun to note, WW1 guns with Imperial German proof marks do not require additional proof and are considered valid marks, all WW2 Waffenampt marks are considered invalid and so do get re marked, so you shouldn’t see WW1 guns with British proofs, unless some modification have been made.
Flare launcher on Luger! I had Walther P22 pistol made by Umarex I bought it in Germany and it came with flare launcher which you screw at the end of the barrel like silencer, it looks exactly like that Luger
That's going to be a tough restoration with the limits you are putting on it. It's not possible to just blue part of a frame or whatever. The process is to remove the finish, metal prep (which if you have an actual smith, rather than a gun butcher do it will not round off corners and sharp edges) and then finish so all sections of the part match. It is possible to blue over old blue but leaves an ugly mottled appearance. It's a dirt-common Luger that will not lose an appreciable amount of value vs what it's worth now with the finish damage and broken grips. There is finish damage and then there's corrosion. Corrosion leaves pitting, which actually *can* be fixed via TIG (I think) welding to fill them in, rather than grind down to smooth. What you have there is mostly finish damage from some type of acidic liquid like, say, orange juice or something. Should be a fairly easy restoration if you find the right guy.
I will follow the advice of whoever does it. Still looking for a person.
@@LegacyCollectibles Mark Novak would be a cool youtube collaboration!
@@LegacyCollectibles Turnbull Restorations have a literal world class reputation. Look into them. I've seen his work; it's impeccable. John Turnbull is the go-to guy for Colt and Winchester collectors, so I'm pretty sure he could handle this. I'm also, unfortunately, sure that it would take a while as I'm sure he has a long backlog and it also won't be inexpensive. But, someone to consider.
@@cammobunker a Turnbull restoration would end up being cost prohibitive on a gun intended for resale.
In Germany blank guns are licencefree ( can be changed soon by current gouvernement). To nearly every blank gun an short attachment barrel is in box, to fire fireworks/signals. Those attachment barrels look rather similar to this ,thick end' of Pistole 08.
The Luger at the end of the video looks like the damage was just done recently
Agreed. That's why I didnt think it was blood splatter.
Tom, maybe a possibility that a soldier or officer was shot and killed, and blood soaked into the holster which then spackled the finish as it is? Maybe the bottom of the holster was bloody and the barrel sat in it for awhile before a GI was able to find it and grab it. Not sure about that, if you don’t think it’s blood splatter I take your word for it! I’ve known hunters that have had blued guns that have had very very similar marks where they laid a rifle down on a shot deer, and didn’t wipe the blood off fast enough and then a day or two later it had similar marks. Just a thought, thanks for all the great videos. We need this channel to get to 100k! You deserve it, maybe try hashtags and buzzwords of some kind, randy would know more than I about that stuff.
Luger with the loudener
Does the party grip add more value than the party grip costs to the over all value of that rzm gun?
For the last pistol you should try to do a collaboration with Mark Novak.
No fricken way! N 3960 the new P Sherman 42 Wallaby Way Sydney!!
Tom i've seen a Luger like that before in Ian's videos from south Africa there's one or two on the wall behind him! check out the R 4 video!! and you can't use a muffler on a Luger the barrel assembly has to move in recoil and a muffler would alter the movement of the barrel assembly and cause malfunctions!! the Johnson 1841 rifle had the same problem when it came to mounting a bayonet! and the Churchill grab was going to done by Luftwaffe special forces!
@@markgman4157 actually on the Luger the barrel assembly does move back!! not a whole lot (about a 1/3 to 3/8ths of an inch!!) like a slide does but it does cycle back! the assembly has to cycle back so the toggle which is locked into the barrel will hit and climb up the curved back part of the frame to break and unlock from the barrel! go over to C+Rsenal and watch their episode oin the Luger Othais has a good animation showing it functioning! the problem with a Browning type action with a muffler is the barrel swings down to unlock and the weight of the muffler impedes that causing cycling issues, then the Knights manufacturing design for the Mk 23 came along, they added a booster chamber to increase recoil force to the can and that removed the weight delaying issue!
That could be a way to push the sound forward
Maybe the Luger was supposed to be a really short line throwing gun from sub to sub. ;-)
Great VIdeos Tom! I just bought a gun from Legacy first time customer! Im super confused, when people send you guns for TH-cam videos they have to re-do their FFL to get them back right?
wow 2000 dollars fore that luger. i got a mint 1939 s 42 fore 650 here in norway. a year a go.
The muzzle device is a blast forward, it helps protect your hearing.
Well it's a navy gun, what do all ships do at night in wartime, Total blackout, no lights
Is $2k about the average value of most WWII lugers in good original condition?
Correct
Tom, you are a Soothsayer… Please send me the Super Lotto numbers. I will buy you a InterArms Walther PPK/S for the effort. I carried mine for 20 years (off-duty) and suffered the cuts and jams. I went to a Sig/Sauer P-230, but it sure was not as cool looking…
Luger looks like a wannabe laser blaster from a very famous movie.
You don't buff, you block sand to match the original finish.
Or Gun Control add to meet minimal lenght of barrel, + Canada isn’t it just doing that right now?
Interesting theory. Not sure the muzzle extension would qualify. But the book that features the gun was from the 70's so there would have been no need in Canada at that time.