10 classic and toy store games that dont suck

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  • @thanosgattos5783
    @thanosgattos5783 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I believe another game that should deserve a place on this list is "Mastermind"

    • @movax20h
      @movax20h 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh. Yes. I played it as a kid, it is an awesome game.

    • @christiananimepunk4793
      @christiananimepunk4793 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I honesty didn't like that game. Every time I play it I just about win it every time. You just pick every combination for every slot and win. I can understand that the game has created the whole riddle/thinker/mystery Genre and it's mechanics have influenced games like "Codenames" and "Dixit". But I just couldn't get into "Mastermind" sadly.

    • @aos-archive
      @aos-archive ปีที่แล้ว

      @@christiananimepunk4793 That's why you start including Duplicates when it's not challenging enough for you.

    • @zacdredge3859
      @zacdredge3859 ปีที่แล้ว

      Another toy store game that is underrated and did solo gaming before it was cool is RushHour.

    • @aos-archive
      @aos-archive ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zacdredge3859 I never heard of RushHour before I learned of "Unblock Me" on iOS.

  • @barry_t
    @barry_t 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    You nailed it with this one! There's a channel about appreciating whiskey...where the most important was enjoy what you like. This is what I feel watching this video.

    • @huh8514
      @huh8514 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      whiskey vault?

    • @barry_t
      @barry_t 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@huh8514 yeah, them...small world

    • @thorny1
      @thorny1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "What you like, the way you like it"

  • @user-ol7xj6qz7l
    @user-ol7xj6qz7l 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Dude, darts totally has a board! It's just...on a wall. :D

  • @edwardliddell501
    @edwardliddell501 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I really appreciate how inclusive you are when speaking about games and the people that love them. Your thoughts on these mass market games, and your previous discussion of "gateway" games show thoughtfulness and kindness. I, too, get frustrated with how dismissive some hobby gamers can be sometimes. Love your positivity and approach.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kia Ora Edward. Thank you

  • @KZsZs
    @KZsZs 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thank you again for this great, and useful list! I too believe that the question "do you like board games?" is reaching the level of "do you like movies?" with it's divisive nature.
    There are so many ways to approach board gaming, so many aspects this hobby covers, that the answer cannot just be a simple "yes" or "no". Like when you ask people if they like movies, and they say "Yes I like to watch 3 hour long French art films from the 60's" or "Yes I ADORE Ben Stiller movies". We have different taste, preferences, and concepts of "fun". None of these answers should be considered bad or stupid, because movies, just like board games are diverse and can offer significantly distinct experiences.
    I am in the middle of building a board game collection, and the deeper I get into it, the more I have to realize how differently my gaming groups approach the hobby, and how a game can be perfect for someone and a disaster for someone else.
    Your list points out that we should not forget a crucial aspect of gaming when it comes to "non-gamers" : familiarity. Poker, Chess and many of the games you mentioned became part of the global cultural concept of "gaming". For many people gaming is the smooth, well-know, familiar feeling of being a child, sitting down and play these globally known games with their families. For many people this feeling is part of the act of playing. No wonder so many people gets turned off by 30-60 minute long rule explanations, intricate mechanisms, new concepts and complicated gameplay loops. For some people gaming is smooth, relaxing and simple with rules they known for decades, and a gameplay that became second nature, like being at ease around your family. We should never look down on this, but respect it. This hobby is about having fun together, and not about judging someone else's personal concept of having fun.
    Love from Hungary!

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And, a little bit like movies, the "everyone's a critic" factor is creeping in. You can't just play a game/watch a film and have fun. Some people feel the need to constantly challenge your right to have enjoyed a film.

  • @fluffnight
    @fluffnight 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Additionally, I recently worked in the Dominican Republic where Dominos is very big. For a few weekends in a row, I would play with some of the local coworkers. Also great fun when language is a barrier!

  • @moofinly
    @moofinly 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When you said Go, my heart melted. I have loved being a Go enthusiast, and I used to take it so very seriously. It's enlightening. It takes so long to truly learn, and you always learn so much about YOURSELF along the way. it's a philosophy and I love it.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, the game makes me feel like an ignorant child, but in a good way

  • @Vysetron
    @Vysetron 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Backgammon is so good! Do play it with her, though maybe not on the super expensive board at first.
    My pick for a "toy store game" is Masterpiece. It's one of my absolute favorite auction games, and that's by today's standards. All the paintings have hidden values that could be as low as 0. Making a heap of money off of a fake painting, only to watch the buyer sell it to another player at a profit? Amazing.

  • @monomundo
    @monomundo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    watching your video reminded me of my mother saying “bridge is the game of Kings and poker is the King of games” - and you are absolutely right, nobody should be humiliated for loving any game.

  • @tylerwarner3677
    @tylerwarner3677 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'd put Sequence on this list, too. It was the first board game my wife and got into. Then Settlers, then Magic, then one thing led to another and - well, here we are. And Sequence is still fun.

  • @3MBG
    @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    There are plenty of games I missed out that I think are worthy of mention. Either due to me not playing them (mancala for example) or just running out of spaces on the list (Uno).
    What classic and toy store games do you rate alongside modern board games?

    • @RobertKonigsberg
      @RobertKonigsberg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Othello, and the whole genre of playing card games: euchre, cribbage, pinochle, gin rummy. Let's play cribbage!

    • @quibily
      @quibily 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mancala, Othello, and Mah Jong. Though, I'm not sure if Mah Jong would count. I'd never heard of it until I moved to China seven years ago.

    • @spot7006
      @spot7006 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great video! I still have several of these in my collection. I'd also recommend Dominoes, Cribbage, Mastermind, and Rummikub.

    • @matthewcrawford4216
      @matthewcrawford4216 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chinese checkers, checkers, Life and Uno are some classics that get pulled out all the time when I let my kids pick out whatever they want to play.
      I have need to pick up a couple more classics because people still enjoy them and know the rules. Often times it is difficult to get non gamers to try new games due to absorbing new rules (my Dad can’t stand learning new things)
      What a great list. It’s so upsetting to see the self righteous disapproval from board game geeks of what is or isn’t “acceptable or good”. I agree with what others said, play what you like!
      Always enjoy your very excellent analysis of this hobby.

    • @davidgreenberg8456
      @davidgreenberg8456 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chinese Checkers, Clue, Mastermind, Cribbage, and Gloomhaven.

  • @danielastin9445
    @danielastin9445 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love your attitude man, great video!
    Also recently picked up a 80's Ravensburger copy of Scotland Yard, can't wait for my kids to be old enough to play it.

  • @ryanstieglitz8077
    @ryanstieglitz8077 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fantastic video and great list! Very well said, your message is spot on. I would always include Clue on a list like this, just from nostalgic reasons from me playing it so much when I was a kid.

  • @1987Hades
    @1987Hades 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I agree with your partner that you need a backgammon board! Then do a review of it! Good work on this vid, love the message behind it, thank you

  • @experiencednoob8400
    @experiencednoob8400 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    stratego was my first ever experience with board games, and is no doubt the inspiration for my love of them today. I'm so glad this review mentioned it, as I think it can still easily hold up to many other games, and is over just a very fun game where you have a lot of agency and suspense

  • @scyldscefing3913
    @scyldscefing3913 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love both the idea and the execution of this list. Nicely done.

  • @ericfrancis7816
    @ericfrancis7816 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This! This is brilliant! It's the best deconstruction I've seen of the exclusionary gamer mindset, and also a fabulous evaluation of classic games. Go, BTW, has long been on the top of my list of "games I'd love to learn but are very intimidating." :)

  • @gregrld
    @gregrld 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Scotland Yard has been a favourite of mine ever since it first came out. I still own our family's first edition.

  • @eugenb.8448
    @eugenb.8448 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great list. One of my faves is Careers. Still enjoyable and brings back fond memories.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh man, I had a copy of careers as a kid, and I am still mystified that one of the most prestigious careers was something like "uranium mining".

    • @eugenb.8448
      @eugenb.8448 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      3 Minute Board Games Yeah. The way the board changed over the years was interesting and reflected how career choices changed but also how society changed. I still pull it out now and again and it’s fun to play and to comment on how my old 60s era copy reflects a vastly different time than today. My kids find it a fascinating statement on 50s and 60s thinking regarding careers and employment options, especially how it’s skewed to sexist biases of the time

  • @t.b.1568
    @t.b.1568 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One of the greatest channels excellent reviews and lists ALWAYS! I want to thank you for your amount of time and great work you spend. Its always a pleasure to watch thank you.

  • @lisamatthews2369
    @lisamatthews2369 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Blokus is a classic that often comes out at our games nights! We like to keep a good variety going :)

  • @ratguy69
    @ratguy69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I live pretty close to the Kapiti Bridge Club and have been thinking for some time now of doing what you suggested. MIght have to wander down some time and have a chat with them.

  • @hanng1242
    @hanng1242 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Mahjong (not the American version)? Shogi?

    • @DnDarrenJ
      @DnDarrenJ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I loved playing Shogi with my cousin in high school in the 80s! Haven't played in years now.

  • @bondaluh
    @bondaluh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like playing backgammon, and I totally suck at chess, but I absolutely love that you mentioned the musical, which happens to be my favorite musical of all time.

  • @foxbear60
    @foxbear60 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The only game of Stratego I've ever played was the newer 4-player version. My wife and I crushed two friends who were highly competitive by taking the most ridiculous strategy ever: walk towards each other. For whatever reason, we both immediately went for the win condition and got it.
    I've temporarily retired as undefeated. Best that record!

  • @vj7248
    @vj7248 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i would recommend picking up backgammon. dice, mancala, backgammon, chess, go, and 52 playing cards deck essentially nets you the entire history of board gaming prior to modern era which i think is neat.

  • @ceramicchicken1
    @ceramicchicken1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you like Scotland Yard you should check out “Clue: The Great Museum Caper”. It is the reason I got in the hobby and holds a special place in my heart.
    The board is similar is similar to clues board with the separate rooms with hallways. Except it’s oddly a “3D” plastic board that sits an inch of the table, so it’s interesting to see on the table.
    One player takes the role of the their and receives a pad of paper with the map drawn on it. On their turn they can move 3,2,1, (or I think 0) spaces.
    The guards start the game by taking little stand up paper minis of famous paintings and placing them throughout the board in the colored rooms as they see fit. They then also receive 6 cameras that can be placed anywhere and matter if you place them orthography or diagonally.
    Guards then move by rolling two 6 sided dice. One is a normal 1-6 spaces of movement, and the other is the random action the guard can take that turn.
    The thief is trying to move through the board and take paintings by landing on the spot on their pad of paper. The next turn they move their 3,2,1, or 0 spaces and remove the painting from the board. So now all the guards have a General idea where you are to find you.
    It’s so much fun and the end chase when the thief has been spotted is only highetend (for my family at least) by the hilarity that guards need to land on the thief to capture them (or that’s how my family plays) so it just seems like a bunch of bumbling guards are diving after this person.
    It’s definitely not a game for everyone, and the random movement and action of the guards may frustrate some players. But I love it!

    • @ElainaRoberts
      @ElainaRoberts 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      We picked up a copy of this at the Goodwill and my daughter has fallen headlong into love with this game. She wants to always be the art thief :D We have a closet of games, but I think she'd play this one every week she comes over for game night if she could. Ok, this and Mageling, but this is definitely high on the list.

  • @rjamsbury1
    @rjamsbury1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    IMHO Diplomacy is the purest board game ever, and bridge the best game ever. Neither are easy to casually play though. Can't agree with you about Monopoly, Yahtzee and Risk - they're fine for introducing youngsters to games but quickly get tedious. Go, Scrabble, backgammon and chess are timeless classics and should never be forgotten as options.

  • @DanielHolding
    @DanielHolding 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Casual Snack Poker is genuinely one of me and my mates favourite evening games.

  • @johnholmes9730
    @johnholmes9730 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You definitely need to try backgammon. It shows that the often hated roll-and-move can be used in a strategic game. It really shines in matchplay (as it gives the skill of a player time to shine) but is still fun casually as the inherent chance of the dice rolls always gives a new player a chance at winning.

    • @revimfadli4666
      @revimfadli4666 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tbf the "often hated" version of roll-and-move commonly used relatively recently often lacks any mitigation or agency whatsoever. In contrast, Backgammon not only uses it as pre-decision input randomness, but you also have multiple dice to pick from, that you can allocate to different pieces often in multiple ways. That is part of what enabled it to become strategic. And to think that the game managed to do so two whole millenia before the current trend of said hated version...

  • @legalmeeple53
    @legalmeeple53 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What a great idea for a top 10...keep up the good work!

  • @kgeorg1979
    @kgeorg1979 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I loved Scotland Yard so much as a kid in Germany. Am having trouble getting my family to play it with me now.

  • @fluffnight
    @fluffnight 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Chinese Checkers as well. I recently taught and played that with my boyfriend (who I do play board games with). However, I play Hong Kong style which is slightly different than regular Chinese Checkers. (You can move further hand have crazier combos in the game.) This past year I also pulled it out and was able to get a game of three with my parents! I used to always play with my dad, but it was a rare sight to have my mom join in.
    (I also used to always play Go and two person Big 2 with my dad. He actually taught me poker hands a long time ago!)

  • @wyatth2992
    @wyatth2992 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Darts is awesome!
    I have both an English and an American board in my basement.
    Most game nights involve a game or two of darts just so that we can get up and stretch out.
    Also, because darts offer enough variety of possible games to play that everyone has a favorite.
    I've spent more time playing either darts or poker than I have all other games combined.
    Thank you for the mention.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Darts is a good time, and so good as a spectator sport too
      ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY!

  • @maxpowr90
    @maxpowr90 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Sad you didn't mention Cribbage. It's technically a board game :P.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have not played cribbage. One of the many things about lists like this is I can only cover what I know. Still, have heard loads of people love cribbage.

    • @amieridley1150
      @amieridley1150 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cribbage is a really great game if you get the chance to play it - I swear the reason me and my siblings can all add small numbers fast is years of trying to beat Dad at cribbage 😂
      Also yes your partner is absolutely right on with the Back Gammon - another game we played pretty constantly, and now our kids play it too. Even though its dice based, how you use them to move is important so its a nice mix of random + choice. And a nice set feels so good to play with.
      Keep up the awesome work - its great to hear from someone who really puts people at the heart of playing games

  • @christines3638
    @christines3638 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Candy Land is a great game to play with people who suffer from moderate dementia. Its bright colors are attractive. It encourages them to be social. To them, picking the next card is exciting. Its easy to remember how to play and is low conflict. They love landing on the candy spots and talk about candy they enjoyed as children. I highly recommend it.

  • @holtth4
    @holtth4 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this! I recall this sentence from a interesting book about art history (Gombrich, The Story of Art): 'There are no wrong reasons for liking a statue or a picture...There are wrong reasons for disliking a work of art.' A very humane and inclusive view of art - and I like your message as it applies something similar to board games.
    One game that gets ripped on a lot by serious board gamers is Talisman. I've played countless games of Talisman with my family even though I have plenty of other games I'd rather play. Why? Because my son has absolutely loved it from the age of 3, and my wife has fond childhood memories of playing the game. Therefore I play with them, and we have a wonderful time together, spending time with each other and some very nice memories built in the process. Like the time I need to simply role 2 to 6 to exit the woodlands, take a new destiny card and teleport near the center of the board and to certain victory. I rolled a one, lost a battle, had to leave the Woodlands, eventually, died and my son went on to win.
    To me that's the real pleasure of boardgaming - the time spent with people and the stories you create. What are my other options? Refuse to play any games with them until they realize how bad Talisman actually is and how great the other games in my collection are? Nonsense, let's all play and enjoy it together.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Talisman was my first hobby game, played it in 1987 at primary school. It's a big reason I am in the hobby. Sure, its random and silly, but it tells a story.
      We don't play Talisman anymore, but relic hits the table once a year or so (The Warhammer 40,000 reskin of talisman). It's our go to game for evenings when everyone is stressed out by work and life, and we just want to roll dice and have fun stuff happen.
      Also, that statement about art is absolutely true. I loathe how declarative people are about art, what's a good sign, film, book and if you like something they don't, they grill you like its a Phd Defence.

  • @bogardeth
    @bogardeth 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love Go, my girlfriend bought me a beautiful set, but so hard to master.

    • @tychay
      @tychay 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      If the reverse side of the board has a 9x9 board I recommend you find anyone and play that side. Since the rules are so easy to teach, the 9x9 board is a great way to get non-Go players enamored with the game.
      I still enjoy the first time anyone discovers the ladder. Their eyes light up!

  • @michaelmelen9062
    @michaelmelen9062 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love backgammon. But... you must use the doubling cube, which means there must be money involved. We play for 25 cents per game, so with a redouble you are up to a dollar to the winner. A lot of fun, especially with a glass of sherry. Crokinole also. Wonderful.

    • @revimfadli4666
      @revimfadli4666 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or you can play up to X points without money, where the cube doubles a game's point(s)

  • @eselectrician
    @eselectrician 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Two spots wasted on Bridge and Poker? I think they should have been honorable mentions, lumped under a single umbrella of "A Deck of Cards." There are plenty of great classics, Spades, Crazy Eights (original Uno), Hearts, Solitaire variants, Old Maid, Go Fish, War, and so on. Lol. I own Stratego and love it, but I'm on the hunt for Electronic Stratego which spices it up by 200%. You forget Operation!

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Electronic Stratego, I remember seeing that in stores as a kid and having a severe case of the "wants"

    • @TracerQQ
      @TracerQQ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@3MBG I never played Stratego, but always wanted it :D

    • @TracerQQ
      @TracerQQ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Honestly I think a deck of cards games should have take up more slots in the top 10, Euchre and Cribbage are fantastic, Bridge and Poker are just the most prolific.

    • @eselectrician
      @eselectrician 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TracerQQ I agree card games are fantastic, and there could be a top 10 list of things to do with a deck of cards. But the deck is just components, if I gave you a bag of wooden bits and said here are 30 different rule sets to implement using this bag-o-bits it's not such a great game(s). I wouldn't be able to place Rummy 500 or Spades in a lineup of top 10 games even though I enjoy them.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can do a lot with a deck of cards. I also enjoy blackjack, but not at casinos as 8 decks means you cant't count cards easily.

  • @007Kiristo
    @007Kiristo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great list, I agree with all of it. There are some good classics that are classics for a reason. Still hold up and a lot of modern games are just a fancier version of them. Like Dice Throne looks so pretty, but I know it's just Yahtzee with health bars.
    I love darts. Not sure I'd count it as a board game, seems like a stretch, but it's damn fun. Have had a fancy board in my cart for many months now.
    I really like the poker suggestion to have the winner buy a new board game with their winnings.
    I have almost purchased Stratego a few times, too. Loved that game as a kid. I have Star Wars Rebellion, which I feel scratches the itch for it though.
    Monopoly sucks though.

  • @NicholasSando
    @NicholasSando 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I liked this video a lot. Go, Gomaji (it's vaguely like 4 Square/othello/reversi), and the Asian chess vsrients are quite popular where I've been based in Asia, but what really surprised me was how quick, competitive and popular mahjong is. I'd always thought of it as a Gray Power Game and never actually bothered with anything but mahjong solitaire. I was happily wrong.
    Oh, and Steph is right, you two should get a classy backgammon set that reeks of antique class.

  • @SingularSuperNinja
    @SingularSuperNinja 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've seen both those productions of chess. First was directed by Craig Revel Horwood, and the second one in London had the wonderful Michael Ball and Tim Howar (saw it 5 times).
    Do you still tread the boards?

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was never a board treader as such. I was in a band at school/university. And two of our band were the Russian and Arbiter. I was in a role more suiting my talents. Managing the sound board and singing along from behind the desk.

  • @rockxhero
    @rockxhero 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I regret not picking up Scotland Yard when I saw it @ Goodwill once now.

  • @patrickgagnon1019
    @patrickgagnon1019 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Funny thing, I had never heard of Scotland Yard before watching this video last week, but yesterday at the thrift store I found a barely used copy for cheap, instant buy!

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Score!

  • @arenson9
    @arenson9 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are you familiar with the Pure Diplomacy variant? Seven spaces, all with a supply center. Each space can reach each other space. Seven players. Go!

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Damn, that is taking the idea to its most refined level.

  • @frenchy1138
    @frenchy1138 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video as always, but no love for Clue(do)? Roll to move aside, I think it still stands up as a deduction game.
    (And cinema classic)

  • @emmaplaysgreen2849
    @emmaplaysgreen2849 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    J, you definitely have to let S teach you how to play backgammon!
    I learnt to play back at the end of the 90s when there was a copy of the Hoyle's Board Games app floating around my former workplace. It included a great version of backgammon and a more complex version of Parcheesi that was also very addictive.
    Backgammon has the perfect balance of luck,logic and strategy.
    Some classic games that I have enjoyed and also played with my kids are Mastermind, Pass the Pigs, Cluedo, Triominos, Kerplunk and Ravensburger's Labyrinth - it has different names in different countries but here in France, it's just called Labyrinth!
    As far as Monopoly goes, my Mum gave us as copy of Monopoly World Edition (but in French) which is a much shorter game.
    I still wouldn't say it's my favourite game ever but I like this version for something that is still familiar to most people but without all the baggage that come with standard Monopoly.
    I also got sick of standard Monopoly as my ex always played with the same damn strategy every single time. He kept my copy of the game post divorce.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think we may be getting a nice copy for our shared XMAS gift to ourselves.

  • @louism2970
    @louism2970 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good list. I would personally put Scrabble at number 1, it is a fantastic timeless design. I would also maybe add Cribbage, Mahjong, and Scattergories, why not. If an over-simplified version of the game is good for the Spiel des Jahres, it should be good for this list :). Most importantly, I would put backgammon into the main list (older than Go according to wikipedia), the Big Three games belong together. Backgammon, the game of the Middle East, Man vs Fate. Chess, the game (not originally from but which became ) of the West, Man vs Man. Go, the game of East Asia, Man vs Himself.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      OH, i like that comparison of the three ancient games. That's classy.

    • @louism2970
      @louism2970 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@3MBG those words are not mine. There's a similar discussion here for instance www.kiseidopublishing.com/three.htm

  • @ericclausen3874
    @ericclausen3874 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Masterpiece and Survive

  • @shawneldridge4465
    @shawneldridge4465 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🤠
    Even though I have the Xbox 360, believe it or not I still enjoy these good fun board games. I do have a few of them already.
    Like Parcheesi, sorry and fishin'-opoly.
    Here are the ones I have to buy yet.
    Connect four, candyland, The game of Life, battleship, trouble, Yahtzee, checkers, chutes and ladders and then there's mouse trap. Even though they're old board games but they are so fun to play after all these years. Great review and all that,i enjoy the video

  • @michaelneufeld4515
    @michaelneufeld4515 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You mentioned that there are newer games that you think do Scotland Yard's thing but better, what are those games in your opinion?

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Last Friday & Letters from whitechapel.

  • @KrazuulLevioth
    @KrazuulLevioth 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would like to see the mentioning of chess would (nearly) always include the other (older) chess variants: Xiangqi and Shogi (the latter I would choose to play over western chess) :)

  • @pnutbutrncrackers
    @pnutbutrncrackers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If I could give this video 25 upvotes, I would (btw, who downvotes this?). Jay has played more board games than 99.whatever % of people on the planet, and has one of the best YT channels on the subject. Yet he doesn't let it go to his head. He doesn't look down on 'the uninitiated', he resists what C. S. Lewis called "chronological snobbery", and this video is a sterling example. I really like, or would like, almost every game he mentions here, plus a few additions like cribbage and Clue. If I made my own "Top 100 Board Game VIDEOS of All-time", this one would certainly be on it. (applause)

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awww, thanks Hop. Most appreciated.

  • @seansteel328
    @seansteel328 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The rule for poker is have a buy-in, so all your friends put in a note (the amount obviously depends on your group, but the idea is a small enough amount that you aren't going to be disappointed when you lose it) and everyone puts it in the pot and gets the same amount of chips and you play until someone takes the pot. It costs you maybe £10 if you lose (but going to the movies can cost that amount, at some cinemas) but you still have money on it (we tried playing it with monopoly money and no one takes it seriously without jeopardy) and the winner takes maybe £60 or so, that's a decent little win

  • @johchadow
    @johchadow 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was hoping Scotland Yard would make the list, it was my first thought of a game that would fit this list.

    • @rockxhero
      @rockxhero 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I figured Stratego would (& of course, Monopoly).

  • @stevenrobinson3451
    @stevenrobinson3451 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Scotland Yard is fantastic, I’ve yet to find a hidden movement game I like better.

  • @amieridley1150
    @amieridley1150 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And (because games brings out the chatty in me) - a couple of other games getting pretty constant play with the kids at the moment is Mastermind and Uno. While these wouldn't be my first choice, the kids love playing them because they get a great feeling of mastery when winning. And the long goal is kids who want to learn more games so playing these games with them builds that positive relationship with us as parents and games.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Uno is a great game with kids, We played the heck out of it at primary school at lunch. I think it was that group of kids who played uno where one of them brought in Talisman, which would have been my first "hobby" game.
      Masterminds an odd one, almost more of a puzzle than a game. But enjoyed that too

  • @krotenschemel8558
    @krotenschemel8558 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Much agreed with the list, though my order would be different. I'm not much of a fan of Go or Scrabble, but there's still a very valid case to be made for this game. I would have put in Ticket to Ride and Skat. Now Skat is an amazing card game, but sadly not much known outside Germany. The interesting thing is that you play a minigame first to setup the main game.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting, for me Ticket to Ride is very much a hobby game. Because it came out way after I was looking in store stores at board games. But, it does fit a pretty good case for being consider a classic these days

  • @camipco
    @camipco 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Several of these games I won't play because they are too hard. Chess, Go, Scrabble and Bridge all make me feel relatively stupid.

  • @tjwright
    @tjwright 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I still like Conquest of the Empire, one of the original MB Gamemaster Series games. I've never played Risk, but I imagine it's similar... "dudes on a map". I had all three of the original Gamemaster games back in the day. I kept one, have re-acquired one... and don't care enough to get Broadsides back to pay the going rate for it. :-)

  • @jasonmetcalfe4695
    @jasonmetcalfe4695 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    finally a video of yours with games i've heard of

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ha, sorry.

    • @jasonmetcalfe4695
      @jasonmetcalfe4695 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All good... What is your opinion of Monopoly deal (the card variant)

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You've got me there, not played that one.

    • @jasonmetcalfe4695
      @jasonmetcalfe4695 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Try it sometime, it's streamlined just enough to take the monotony out of it, and can be rather competitive.... and there is such a thing as a "quick game of monopoly" using this one... in fact between that and "Phase 10" it's enough to start world war 3... with Phase 10 we're trying to add new variants to make it more interesting and a little less cut throat

  • @NickSibicky
    @NickSibicky 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hooray for Go!

  • @shaneannigans
    @shaneannigans 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I laughed out loud at #occupybridge 😂
    BUT... I think you're onto something!

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Take the power back! #occupybridge

    • @shaneannigans
      @shaneannigans 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@3MBG 🤣😂🤣

  • @lamossus9030
    @lamossus9030 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Definitely not as popular or influential as games in this list, but still a great classic game - Durak (and another variant of playing it with a bit more depth - Perevodnoy Durak). It's a Russian card game that can be played with a regular deck of cards. The rules are very simple but provide enough depth to make it a really nice filler game. Not something I'd bring to the table during board game night but still a pretty fun game

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Durak is one i have never heard of, will look it up

    • @emperorspock3506
      @emperorspock3506 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely agree, top filler game with a standard deck of cards (with the 2-5 cards and jokers removed). No weird twisted trick-taking rules, very fast, very easy to learn, offers you a good amount of agency, yum!

  • @ripwolfe
    @ripwolfe 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Doesn't speech French, wins French scrabble tournament = mind blown.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here's the news story from the time. Still hurts my brain. www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11484662

  • @zacdredge3859
    @zacdredge3859 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Teffy is right; Backgammon is an underrated game and still going strong however millennia later since its original form.

  • @noeldillabough
    @noeldillabough 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have yet to play Scotland Yard....must fix that!

  • @hausser3024
    @hausser3024 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I used to hate board games. Mostly because i thought of board games as things like Scrabble or Monopoly. I would literally cringe every time people asked me to play these type of mainstream games. Then i tried real hobby board games and discovered that i LOVED them. The moral of the story is don't let utter trash like the games they sell at Wal-Mart define your board game experience.
    And yes Monopoly is utter and complete GARBAGE.

    • @Anthraxinternational
      @Anthraxinternational 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The original landlord game was about how evil capitalism is. So its supposed to be bad actually.

    • @pnutbutrncrackers
      @pnutbutrncrackers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So I guess you're saying that if Steven Hart didn't like a game or that it's carried at Walmart that means the game is "utter trash" for everybody. I'll remember that next time I see Pandemic, LOTR, Santorini, Horrified, etc. at WM. BTW, I used to play Scrabble with my intelligent next door neighbor, and she found real enjoyment in it. I'm glad you found games that you enjoy (which some wouldn't). Can't you appreciate that others might have different tastes?

    • @hausser3024
      @hausser3024 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pnutbutrncrackers I think games like Monopoly etc are bad for the hobby and make people feel like board gaming is trash, because most of what people think of as board games are the mast produced trash they sell at big box stores. When the hobby has so much more expansive games to enjoy.

    • @pnutbutrncrackers
      @pnutbutrncrackers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hausser3024 I'm not a fan of Monopoly myself, but how does your argument make mathematical sense? For every person who likes a game you would approve of, there are several hundred times that many who like and play Monopoly. Like it or not, Monopoly and other "big box store" games have kept board gaming alive for the better part of a century.

  • @MattyTL
    @MattyTL 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Spheres of Influence again in a video! Does someone still has the PNP files of the game ? Or know how to get them?

    • @RichardArpin
      @RichardArpin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The game is available direct on Little Nuke Games Website

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, thanks Richard.

  • @markrhodes9632
    @markrhodes9632 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Police quest! Loved it as a kid

  • @dadboddrumming4261
    @dadboddrumming4261 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Long time Lurker. LOVE the channel!!!! This was one of your most thought-provoking and valuable additions to the gaming hobby to date! Keep up the great work! If you're ever state-side, specifically around Pennsylvania, lets grab a beer (pint) : )

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was in Philly in 1999, lived for a brief time in New York Harriman State park, and then in Hacketstown NJ, so spent a bit of time popping into Penn state for various visits.

  • @khristienpennanen1810
    @khristienpennanen1810 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Every time we played risk my one friend found a way to fortify Australia and then would force us to roll through the whole fight until she lost lol

  • @benjaminvanderhoff7101
    @benjaminvanderhoff7101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I also like othello. Love Scotland Yard and diplomacy

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Othello is a solid game. Good choice

  • @gregmattson2238
    @gregmattson2238 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ah.. I was watching this and was saying the whole time.. what about go... what about go... I love that game although I don't have time to play it anymore (yes you can play on computer but the best way is to seek out clubs in real life and play on a decent wooden board). I got to about shodan amateur level but that's peanuts compared to how far you CAN go with it. Anyways I was about thinking you were going to skip it and when I saw it in the top spot I was very happy.

  • @SBNinjaPirate
    @SBNinjaPirate 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Interesting video & I like the overarching message in it. 'Don't be a dick'.

  • @teslakiteable
    @teslakiteable 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Didn't know you were based in Welly! Do you host any boardgame meet-ups?

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes and no. Yes I do, but never open ones as such. My place is not big, so its normally just me, steph and 3-4 others

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you are keen to get involved in testing for the channel, email me. Most of my games sessions these days are playing games i plan to review. Always need new people and new perspectives.

  • @arenson9
    @arenson9 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Speaking of chess, have you seen Tak? So good!

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have not, will check out.

  • @jonathanpickles2946
    @jonathanpickles2946 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've played all of the game outside the top 3 and would not play any of them except Bridge again - but then I would not play most modern games either & I am a long way removed from being evangelical. I am dreadful at a few of them, including bridge, which doesn't help & do not enjoy them enough to try to get better!
    As pointed out elsewhere Scotland Yard was SdJ in 1983 and that should remind us that it did not start out as a hobby game thing, in fact I am not sure that distinction was really recognised until the 90s with hobby gamers from outside of Germany turning up at Spiel. The original Euros were just the best of the German family games market (best in terms of strategic depth, clean mechanisms and originality). It did push more towards the heavier games peaking with Tikkal I would say but then has gone back to much lighter stuff and even the Kennerspiele is lighter then my taste these days.
    Really liking games does not give any overlap. I like computer games, my nephews like computer games & the young guys at the wargames club like computer games. But I like RPGs, my nephews like driving games and the wargamers like shooters. Of course we all like GTA.

  • @KujoPainting
    @KujoPainting 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Backgammon is great, you should give it a go!

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Steph is going to take all these endorsements of backgammon and shove catalogues for really expensive copies of the game right in my face now :)
      I guess i know what we are getting ourselves from Christmas.

    • @KujoPainting
      @KujoPainting 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@3MBG I have one of those expensive sets, they look the business on the table, plus you get to feel like you're James Bond while playing it (even though once you know the rules you realize James Bond doesn't have a clue how to play 'double 6s I win', yeah no James, you just get an extra turn). :)

    • @tychay
      @tychay 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@3MBG They still make nearly the same exact backagammon set I own (from the 1970's btw). 15" classic brown and white set, my FLGS sells it for $32 USD. (Not sure if my set was leather of vinyl like the ones today). If it's anything like mine, the quality is very good and its portable and is probably the bare minimum for a "keeper" set.
      Backgammon sets can get almost as crazy as chess sets (or Go). Compared to those prices, $32 to have a decent travel set is worth it since you won't be traveling with one of those sets.
      (For Chess, I like House of Staunton pieces and a good wooden board - though that may be cheaper for me in the U.S.. For Go, the best stuff comes from Japan but it gets crazy expensive (at least here in the U.S.).)

  • @iferre
    @iferre 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any thoughts on Escape from Colditz? (boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/715/escape-colditz)

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Played that a lot at school, so 30 years back. Can't recall much specifics asides from a lot of set collection to get your escape kit

  • @popmon6446
    @popmon6446 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yay for Darts!

  • @TheJimmy000
    @TheJimmy000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very cool idea for a video!

  • @Castorshells
    @Castorshells ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Blockus is great and for card games you should try Cribbage.

  • @99smite
    @99smite 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video and a list that I can agree on. What I realised is the fact that so many international gamers do care about the "Spiel des Jahres" sigil, liek you do and the people from the Dice Tower and so on. What really pisses me off though is the sad fact that many games that could be really successful in Germany are not being translated and therefore remain accessible only to a small handful of German gamers. This seems so ridiculous when gamers around the world come to Essen once a year and nearly every games publisher has a booth there, but when it comes to marketing and selling games in Germany, many companies simply FAIL...

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which is a pity. The problem is i guess that so many games are really language dependent. Like it takes far less effort to translate Azul, than say "agents of smersh"

    • @99smite
      @99smite 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@3MBG This is true, but translating from English to German is not really such a big enterprise. We have a huge translation industry with many companies and freelancers offering their services. Very often companies fear that they might just not sell enough copies/units of a game. Furthermore, and don't get me started with the FOMFO policy of CMON, where they sell injection molded plastic miniatures in very low numbers, but refuse to restart production with the injection molds they already own and got them financed through kickstarter... Imagine, collecting all the money needed to start the production of a miniature heavy game, producing a very low number of units, then, when miniatures packs are out of stock due to limited availability and high demand refusing to restart production despite all the tools already being present and paid for...
      Then there is the case of gamely games, the company that publishes the "tiny epic..." games, they have a real shitty German distribution partner "Schwerkraft Verlag" ("gravity publishing"), they do not have a proper online shop, a customer cannot pay via paypal or credit card, customers have to manually make a bank account payment and manually put in the reference number, they flat out refuse to do customer support by refusing to send missing parts and they need an awful lot of time to get the games translated, sadly enough, they also publish "Terraforming Mars", which is of course, out of print in the German version, most of their products are now out of print as the "Spiel" in Essen approaches, but I do not think that not doing sales for 2-3 months before "Spiel" is a valid business strategy. Most people in Germany who have professionally to do with noard games and who know the owner of Schwerkraft personally, hate this guy. HE single handedly is ruining the potential succes of all the gamelyn games, of terraforming mars and Clang!... Such a pity... Luckily there is still the option to get the english versions of above entioned games in decent online shops, althoug local games stores have difficulty offering the english versions due to legal conundrums...

  • @ericwinkelmann3834
    @ericwinkelmann3834 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When i was a kid i wanted to combine monopily and risk or monopily and life

  • @arenson9
    @arenson9 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I sense some fuzziness as to what counts as a toy store game. I might not count Chess and Go, as they're classic games. Backgammon possibly fits here as well, though it's less clear. I might not count Diplomacy or Risk or Scotland yard as they're hobby games (or war games) that simply predate Catan. Poker and bridge are interesting examples, though once you're opening up the list to card games, there's a whole slew of possibilities, so I'm also tempted to put them in their own category. In the end, the most interesting items on your list, to me, are items like Monopoly, Scrabble, and Yahtzee.

    • @arenson9
      @arenson9 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Looking back, the only two you mentioned that I didn't were darts (you pointed out yourself that it's a stretch, though it was certainly interesting to consider) and Stratego, which I'd throw in with Diplomacy, Risk, and Scotland Yard.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The toy store games are the ones I remember being on shelves from when i was 5-10 or so. I probably should have made that clear.

  • @khristienpennanen1810
    @khristienpennanen1810 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ooh I love bridge

  • @mcsegobia
    @mcsegobia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    have you played Shogi?

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have not.

    • @mcsegobia
      @mcsegobia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@3MBG my favorite from the classics. Similar to Chess but more dynamic and more exciting endgame. You actually capture your opponent pieces and you can drop them on the board to join your army. Also most pieces can promote

  • @thegamesninja3119
    @thegamesninja3119 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bridge, and other team trick-taking games, has had longevity out of the partner dynamics.

  • @TheEmmaHouli
    @TheEmmaHouli 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the attitude you have to new/casual gamers, that gate keeping is one of the worst things about niche hobbies!

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers. yeah, I've been in the hobby for a long long time, and I really get heated about this. Especially when its people who have been playing for a few years doing the gatekeeping as well, which it frequently is

    • @TheEmmaHouli
      @TheEmmaHouli 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@3MBG exactly! I'm a dirty causal and even I almost went down that dark path when my brother bought me a game of Harry Potter cluedo.
      "What is this?" I gasped "a tacky IP slaped onto a basic bitch game like cluedo?!"
      I dug it out with some non gamers out of a sense of obligation and had SO MUCH fun!
      The best games are the ones you have fun playing! Not the ones that look cool and intimidating on your shelf, Which is why Jenga (and now cluedo) always have a place in my home!

  • @Brian0033
    @Brian0033 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awwww, i was hoping for clue.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Clue could have been an honorable mention. Clues pretty good

  • @cheekyparrotgames
    @cheekyparrotgames 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mankala? Also an ancient game, don't know if it's older than Go.

    • @camipco
      @camipco 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mankala is about 1400 years old, Go is 2500.

    • @cheekyparrotgames
      @cheekyparrotgames 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@camipco I pulled out my old set (which is a beauty with a one-piece solid wood board and polished stones). It says Mankala is 3000 years old and invented by ancient Sumerians.

  • @sylvansorrow
    @sylvansorrow 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some I feel are a stretch. I wouldn't really consider poker a "board game" or a particular game either. More of a genre as there are endless different poker games.
    The ONE card game not on this list that I feel definitely belongs here is Cribbage.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fair, poker is a family of games. Good point. But card games have always been counted as board games on this channel. 2 of my last 3 recaps are card games.

  • @Bluegoose-df7if
    @Bluegoose-df7if 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love dominos and checkers and monopoly my favorite game is Monopoly

  • @KesSharann
    @KesSharann 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Monopoly is fine. Just play by the rules. Then put it away and play Acquire. Then look into more of Sid Sackson's games and collections of games he didn't make. They're classics.

  • @SpoonyBard88
    @SpoonyBard88 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's my experience that most people have absolutely no idea that good games exist. Evangelizing the hobby seems only natural.

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Talking up the hobby is one thing. Evangelizing comes with other connotations. One can offer the promised land without mentioning burning in hellfire :)

    • @SpoonyBard88
      @SpoonyBard88 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@3MBG The hell that is your idiot cousin making everybody play Cards Against Humanity at Christmas...

  • @geoffreybawden6390
    @geoffreybawden6390 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Scrabble is the queen of board games

    • @3MBG
      @3MBG  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have friends who would definitely agree with you.

  • @levihobbs1416
    @levihobbs1416 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I LOVE GO.

  • @khristienpennanen1810
    @khristienpennanen1810 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh jeez ya poker is great too! You have to play with money but nothing stops you from playing for 5 bucks each

    • @DanielHolding
      @DanielHolding 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Have never played Poker with Money, really love playing it.

    • @khristienpennanen1810
      @khristienpennanen1810 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DanielHolding I mean I guess you can, it just feels like such a different game with nothing to lose