What is the problem of talking about the voltages? People is gonna copy it? Not a nuclear weapons code...Who cares...Worst/best case scenario, you just help your community in that way...
@@stefanradunovic8318 He just take all too seriously, overclock is just a game, just play and help each others with useful information, there are not some kind of spies stealing insane secrets, who cares...
@@stefanradunovic8318 ive gotten a lot of knowledge watching this channel. understanding the way things work is much more beneficial than knowing a number to plug in. My voltages NEVER match what people suggest or tell me my gear shoujld run, its all trial and error. also no one cares if u unsub, do it or don't.
Because it's his business. He would rather charge $500 per consult and make a ton of money off the COD bros every year, than give it all away for free and let others (the rats) use it to make money off the same potential customers.
@@isakh8565 I understand but, piece of shit "stealing" what? They just have to try if the same voltage can applay to their ram/cpu, they just may find the stability with his help, anyone can find the same stability "secret settings" with some test..."piece of shit" what?? That's just cocky and rude with his followers...Is not that serius dude, just chill...Me as an overclocker i will never buy a consult because i enjoy play with my overclock settings, and i can share them with everyone and i already do it, in some forums, eather the easy tips for noobs and the hard one for who is at my same "leaning curve stage", the one who buy the consult is the one that have 0 idea about how overclock works, so he will sell the consult to the same person anyways...Maybe it's a limit of my mind, i don't understand all that hate for people sharing the same passion...
3:06 "I don't want to reveal the voltages lol, TITLE OF VIDEO: DDR5 Overclocking Secrets and Tips, wanker Dufas, pure and simple...BUT somehow we love you, Peace.
I agree - DDR4 B-die has everyone spoilt. It's so flexible and very hard to actually mess up any subtimings which are not even optimal - the system will still boot.
This is why I watch your channel! I couldn't get my 7200 kit to pass occt. Forums said to raise V slowly, that didn't work. I rewatched this vid for a little refresh and then tried lowering the DRAM V -.02 and bam! She passes!
DDR4 3600 CL17-22-22-48 is identical in performance to DDR5 7200 CL34-44-44-96 So, there is no 'free' performance. Moving double the speed and taking twice the effort to push the data vs moving regular speed and using regular effort to push the data.
Never listen to the mem OC guys. Silicon lottery is real when going beyond spec so just ignore all those clowns and find your own tolerances. There are too many factors at play here that you kinda have to just FAAFO.
as much as i have bad to say about reddit pc community thr overclocking sub is honestly fine. its all trial and errror even shit that works on 90% of configs might not work on yours, ive never seen anyone ever say anything will work 100% i just like beiing able to bounce ideas ofd ppl
*I learned the hard way that XMP/XPO is junk. In DDR, DDR2 and DDR3 days, you went into the BIOS and selected the highest frequency offered for your RAM. XMP was a stupid idea. Let people click a button and hope the manu got their numbers right....*
Hey dude I just wanted to say that over the last year you inspired me to build my own system. I have been buying it one piece at a time and I am on the home stretch. I just ordered my memory as soon as I pay that off I’ll order my gpu. I’m really nervous about getting a post. But I have been reading a lot but nothing I’ve read can make my ole lady understand lol. Anyways thx for the inspiration and although mine won’t be top end like yours it’s going to be a lot better that my 580 cyber power I got now.
The first time is scary, but after that it's like a routine. My #1 advice for a first time build is simply don't be in a hurry with anything. No matter how stupid something seems, if you are unsure - search the internet / ask someone.
@daveygravey88 Dude! Worst idea with tech components unfortunately. Save all of you money up and then buy everything in 1 go. By the time you build the rig, certain parts will be out of date. Just messaging ya as a matter of concern as I dont want to see u shaft yourself
I have gskill 7200 on the z790 apex board can anyone help me on how to achieve lowest latency possible for everyday use with this ram IV never oc I wanna learn
Idk why anyone would pay for a consult lol people are lazy and don’t wanna put in the work to research ishhhhh only way to learn is to experiment 90% of the time your not gonna damage anything to the other 10% ya learned something 😂
I have i9 13900k and z790 hero maximus DDR5 is 7200mhz 34.. can i hit 7800/8000mhz same 34cl ? idk where to start tweaking 🤓 cuz i’ve been trial and erroring a lot
I have the same cpu und Board. My corsair 7200 CL34 runs not stable with xmp. Do you have some tips for me? Did you changed anything, or does the ram kit run out of the box with the xmp profile well? Thanks a lot
Guy acts like he’s the only person that understands ddr5, all for keeping your work private. But, to have an ego that makes you think you’re the only person that is capable 😂😂. Wild
@@gozutheDJ he can be mad, but he isn't wrong tho.. it's a few voltages that everyone with a brain can try, just search for safe voltages and run tests if higher doesn't work just go lower., bro is sweating for nothing. Memory overclocking isn't THAT hard when you don't go insane on subtimings but focus on easy and useful ones that most kits can do.
How should i tune my ddr5 ? Should i first get the higest frequency i can and then tighten the timings or the other way around ? What method can you recommand ? I have 2x16Gb corsair 7200 mhz cl34-44-44-96 with xmp at 1.45 v
Hey Jufes, been watching your vids for a while now but I am struggling with deciding on a ram upgrade for my system 10850k 3080ti msi mag z490 corsair ddr4 rgbpro 16gb 3200mhz cl16. I'm playing mostly warzone @ 1440p, will I actually see some decent gains at this resolution with a ram upgrade or not?
Do the maths 🧮 The real latency in ns isnt the cas latency. He is the formula 1/(ram frequency/2000)x cas latency For my 7200mhz cl34 kit 1/(7200/2000)x34 = 9,44 ns Or 1/3,6x34=9,44 ns
This video was helpful for me. I have a 7200 cl34 kit that post in xmp but not stable at all. These videos help me understand how finicky this shit is.
@@tuncaycalan1125 I haven’t, I’m planning on just downgrading to a 6200 mhz gskill kit that I know can run the xmp stable, the last bios update for my mobo helped out a little bit but I still can’t get through a single benchmark without it crashing
I need help no computer tech nows how to help u have ddr5 z5 trident 6000mhz every dram voltage us unstable it feels like do I higher my vddq more then dram voltage if so how high I keep my timming the same as rated
14:00 "but this is slower than DDR4 anyways" - how is 7200 mhz slower than DDR4? Isn't the CAS latency the thing that determines whether RAM is "fast" or "slow"? Like I thought DDR5 6000 MHZ CL30 was considered fast. Someone help me out
I'm not experienced with ram OC and it took me a month to get 6200 CL32 1.4v stable on a hynix 64GB 5600 CL30 kit so I just settled with it. Running on 13900KF and Unify-X. Its harder to find overclocking info on the 64GB kits so any tips would be appreciated.
@@gozutheDJIt's a 2 stick kit on 2 dim board. I was using a 12100F until the I got the 13900KF and the i3 would also do 6200 so something is probably going on here. Maybe need to play with VCCSA more which is at 1.15v right now.
What to do brother when i got 13900k / strix z790-e gaming with xmp tweaked and ai oc on cpu, didnt change anything just did memtest86 on my 2x16gb kingston fury renegade 7200mhz with 1.45v auto dram, but warzone keep crashing me, once i got bsod, builder set it on 6400 and stability tested it, but i want to get 7200mhz as my kit is for. What should i do when i got only 2 errors on 4/4 memtest86? I dont know much about oc :(
Hey Jufes, you had a z690i aorus Ultra ddr4. I'm not able to post if I don't enable xmp and I'm also not able to post above 4000mts for some reason. Any tips?
i went with 13900k DDR5 6000 cl30 MSI Unify 4 slot as was focussed on the lower latency after DDR4 AMD fiddling! Is it far better to have higher mhz and higher latency on DDR5 Jufes?
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Hi, I have ASUS strix z790-e and i9 13900K + DDR5 teamgroup t-force delta rgb ddr5 7600mhz but i have a speed problem. DDR5 running at 7400MHz CL40. I read a lot about DDR5 and or ASUS that STRIX is not very good at DDR5. But then again, some claim that they run 7800Mhz without a problem. Could it be a BIOS problem? I still have version 0401 and it is already 0703. There is already 0804 in development. But from what I have read, BIOS 0703 also has problems. So I don't know if it's a RAM problem or a BIOS or CPU problem. I have DDR5 first and XMP does not work.
Buying 13900k, 8GHz memory, top CPU cooler and not having money for consult? If you buy like Pc for like 4k+ I am sure you can find another 500 for tuning.
i have 13900k and 7200 ddr5 A-die z790 E gaming MB . Im afraid to OC Ram because its so complicated with voltages and running memory test.. definitely Time consuming to say the least. And you’re right about DDR5 OC forums… its all personal testing data
my gskill 7800's XMP tweaked on the apex board worked out the box, even when i set frequency to 8000 same timings no errors on tm5 extreme, this was with a 13900ks though.
Running Apex Maximus Z790 13900ks 7200 mhz g skill 16x2 I cant activate XMP and have it at 7200mhz. i wont even boot into bios. just no display. cleared cmos and set it to 5800 mhz, seems to run stable with short boot times. i still get up error codes when in windows with 47,48,49,50, 51 and seen 60 some times aswell. anything i should be worried about ? when opening taskmanager it says 5800 frequence on ram.
i actually got my 6400 cl 32 kit from shitty g skill trident z5 with bad cooling to run 6800 cl 32-39-39-102 cr2 on a 4 dimm rog strix board with 65k trefi 9 txp and some other tuned settings vdd 1.47 and vddq 1.51 its barely close to crash but it passed 30.000 karhu ram test at 59.5 celcius thats a 7 hour and 15 min karhu test and has never crashed thats many hours of testing :) i run it with a 13700k sp at 93 on p cores but e cores only 47 but its known for bad memory controller. but thanks to ur fortnite video i figured out how to stabalize my ring :)))). thanks again frame chasers ur the best youtuber!!!!!
I just got the same kit running at 7000 CL32-41-41-28 65k TREFI with 1.45V. 1.28V SA & 1.4V VDD. I just got it stable after a day of tinkering and running TM5 so I'm going to try and lower timings a bit more. I also put a fan over my ram recently and I get no errors, so I'm going to crank the voltage up to 1.5V and see what timings/temps I can get.
I need a better mb to lower my timings if i go cr1 i can do 4800 max with 26-29-29-29 but its not faster in latency than cl 32 6800 bc of the + 25 % so i stick with 6800 mdie in cr2 My board on die ram cant go over 6000 mhz its super weird. Im never gonna buy a 4 dimm board ever again from asus rog strix 😂
@@Nerd-Freaki91 I'm using an MSI MPG Z690 EDGE. I'm surprised it even hit 7000. I couldn't get 7200 stable on it womp womp, but I got a bunch of secondary and tertiary timings tightened down at 7000CL32 so I'm happy. Latency in AIDA64 test is 55ns with a 14700K. I want a 2 dimm board but its not worth buying a new one now lol.
My early 12900k is a crap MC. I have a 5600 1.2v kit which i run at 6000 with tightened timings but this 4 dimm Gigabyte Pro board board just will not go over 6000 without errors. I have tried everything and have also seem that VSCCA + other CPU memory voltages have sweet spots. Not very impressed with Gigabyte either but didnt want to pay asus joke prices. The memory clearly has more in it is the dimm voltages dont even need to go that high. Its def weird. Tried a contact frame but that didnt change much. Chips running nicely otherwise.
Same as DDR4, XMP is crap to support all Mobo and CPUs. With DDR5, primary timing like CAS example, doesn't have an impact as tweaking the sub-timings; which has a big impact on lowering the latency and increasing the bandwidth. XMP with A die is even worst.
Hey wanna ask you as your the best no bs realdeal guy to ask. Is the palit rtx 4090 oc gamerock worth it ? It has like 16 vrm instead of the FE version which has higher. Many say it's not good to get that 4090 model, also for slight OCing is it ok ?. Wanted to know your thoughts.
Thanks. Guess Im fine with my bdie 3600 mhz cl14 on a 12700k. Just did some minor tuning like 1 to 1 ratio and lowering the main timing forgot what is called. To 312 instead of default 566 or something.
@@gozutheDJ na it was when I tried overclocking ram, everything runs fine 12700k, runs fine and stays cool. Match with a 3080ti I am getting the best out the ram, cpu and gpu.
Just forget about XMP. Get the SK hynix a-die green sticks and manual OC the crap out of it. As for motherboard forget about the z790 APEX, they never in stock, just get the evga z690 kingpin from amazon.
Ddr5 is kind of a challenge. But I kind of like it, gives me something to do lol, Xmp is def a bitch on it though. I'd still personally rather buy an 8000 kit and just lower the frequency if I couldn't get it to work, for me at least it's easier to get the timings lower at least
Thanks for all the unbiased knowledge. I'm really trying to learn more about RAM and overclocking because I'm knowledgeable in general but not with those specifics. I pretty much rely on XMP and ASUS AI overclocking in bios. Is there a source that you know of where it breaks down what all the RAM timings mean? I'm one of the broke college students going on a grant and financial aid but I love this shit, I dump all my money, even my food budget into my ROG setup. Wish I knew about the APEX Encore before I bought this Z790-E but it has served me well. Thanks to everyone who supports this genius because I can't afford to but like the info!
my 13900KF Z790 Hero XMP1 G-skull 6000MHz 36-36-36-28 tiny weak works perfectly but i cant get the latency below 58ns my DDR4 XMP2 out of the box has 40ns DDR4-4000 CL16-16-16-36. Question how important is the Latency vs Frequency
@@mohammedalkhayat7888 i didnt saw many under 50 ns ddr5 tweeked kits. I think ddr5 is scaling a bit different then ddr4. Some games scaling better with ddr5 some less
@__gozu_ ill maybe look into overclocking it, they're corsair dominator sticks, last ones were ballistix. Just would I gain much more is the question overclocked my 13900kf stock gpu, as overclocking it in my eyes isn't worth it...I don't know.
@@FlexxRG dude if you wanna do it then you're gonna do it. if you dont care enough to do it at least out of pure curiousity, i probably wouldnt bother. just enjoy your games
And there is me with my 6600 kit unstable x( Just asking here if someone can help me like point me in the right direction to make it stable please? Msi z690 carbon wifi, 13700k, 2x16gb gskill 6600cl34 hynix a die. I know it's different for everyone, i have watched the vid.. I have looking around for help on oc discord, on google, youtube, still lost so.. If you guys gave any tips id take it :) Worked around my CPU SA, DRAM and DRAM VDDQ, CPU VDDQ/VDD2, started from xmp profile with stock cpu, also tried with oc cpu, pc is working but ram isn't fully stable :(.. (Would have loved to reach 6800 c34 since msi said that they made the gskill a die 6800 c34 kit to work..)
The days of XMP/EXPO can only come to an end if no further memory controller improvement can be made on next gen CPUs beyond 13th Gen/Zen 4. Something we don't know yet.
ive noticed some weird AF behaviour with voltages on my ryzen. ive had 3800 1900 IF pretty stable for a bit then one day it decided to shit the bed errroring in TM5 within 2 minutes etc etc. changed bios version unplugged everything gave it a good dusting, ran it at 3733 1866 at lower voltages than i had been pushing thru it stable af for a couple weeks then bumped it up to 3800/1900 at the same lower voltages and its been flawless. really odd. coulda just needed a cleaning.
@@enacku i really think your reboots were curve optimizer related. id reccomenmd a manual all core OC anyway and double check those pinouts regardless lmao, you never know if they changed something slightly compareed to a different model do you have discord or something
A lot of generations get better yields over time, especially on memory controller. That's of course on average tho, there's still obviously going to be shitty controllers and good controllers.
I keep hitting a wall at 7200 with my DDR5 setup. The frustrating part is that I'll have it stable for a day or two (passes occt, realbench, CB) then out of the blue, will start crashing on certain games. 7200 is the only speed that is consistently stable. So I tightened up the timings as much as I could and called it good.
I keep trying to do this, and I can't manually set and get my 5200 rated Intel XMP coded profile 128gb of DDR5 up from 4800 to 5200... on a Ryzen 7950x that wants an EXPO coded recommended profile. Someone needs to make a video explaining what all these settings and numbers actually mean, on a physical hardware level, so you have some idea what you are doing by changing a number. Otherwise, you're just dealing with a black box and the values are literally... almost meaningless.
My tuned 6800 mdies kit does 49 ns in Aida latency with my 12900k and 690 master. Im not gonna change my CPU till new Socket comes out. Maybe raptorlake S. Its so time consuming to tweek them and test stabilty
The fastest memory I could get in Australia as 32gb dimms was 5600mhz. I have a 13900k and can't get the memory to run faster that 5000mhz but I do have four modules. The XMP profile doesn't work properly.
DDR5 сплошное разочарование. 6400 даёт абсолютно лучшую производительность и если сравнивать с DDR4 этот прирост выглядит как погрешность если сравнивать с DDR3. - походу скоро выйдет куча игр и програм которые будут требовать по 64гб DDR5 чтоб оправдать "нужность" этой оперативной памяти.
I totally get protecting your consult money from the rats. But if you started making in depth overclocking videos, for gaming specifically, you kill two birds with one stone. Getting to 100k and putting rats out of business cause people will just watch you and overclock themselves.
no they wont tho lmao. because for memory OC you literally have to change onr thing, boot, run stability test. rinse and repeat for every setting/voltage for hours
@@gozutheDJ what you said has nothing to do with what i said. Buildzoid has 161k subs…and that’s xoc shite. There’s 0 reliable oc information in regards to gaming. There’s a niche that could be filled
@@cbarrshiz it has exactly to do with what you said. A: how are you going to make memory overclocking tutorials? its gonna be hours of tweaking one setting. what does that teach anyone? B: there's PLENTY of information out there including Jufe's content for u to get going if you really want to. 0 reliable OC info in regards to gaming? like what does that even mean? get clock high get latency low lmao. also go watch Jufes' video testing different memory latencies and in game results. he's already given u the formula, lowering memory latency = faster the CPU can get frames to the GPU = better frame timing = more frames. shit u can go make a help me thread in r/overclocking they are very nice and helpful. buildzoid is a mod in there as well. also, speaking of, XoC or not, there's loads you can learn from buildzoid as well. often times his memory * well i shouldnt say often times because i just recalled one vid where he ran 2 volts thru the memory lmao. just use common sense. he does usually say where he would make adjustments to make it a daily tho. u can also pick up some things from his react vids to other people's memory tunings if you want to understand how memory timings work in relation to one another, he's got videos on that as well. what more does anyone need to get going? if thats not enough then they just dont want to.
@@gozutheDJ look man im agreeing with most of what youre saying. But even big J himself said that he really only tweaks primaries/trefi/trfc for gaming(atleast for ddr4). Buildzoid goes balls deep and while i enjoy his content, it’s not for most people. Im a cod bro mostly and 0 people make good reliable OC content for gamers. I get why, theyre makin bags off of consults. A video explaining the important timings(for gaming)how to read and understand hwinfo, stress testing for use case, safe voltage ranges, etc. I understand that info is out there but google safe voltages for x chip, youll get 150 different fucking answers and multiple ways of oc’ing. Pbo, per core, voltage offsets, all that bullshit. All im saying is itd be cool if he made a video about it. I dont give a shit if he does either way, as i figured it out myself. He mentioned in this video avoiding discussing that, because people monetize his info. I get that, but i commented my two cents as a 2 year sub to this guy. I do not get why you immediately shit on my explanation tho. No biggie, I appreciate the reply
the next ddr is 2 times the speed of the previous ddr..ddr 4 speed is 4800 so the ddr5 speed should be 2 x 4800= 9600 but its not. its 5600,6000,6400,7200,7600,7800 and 8000 MHz. and they mostly don't work. ddr5 8000 MHz is mostly faulty.
Hey I think I saw in the thumbnail the bitspower ln2 heatspreaders. Anyone use them with a waterblock, they look so nice, only ones from USA that look to be all copper.
What is the problem of talking about the voltages? People is gonna copy it? Not a nuclear weapons code...Who cares...Worst/best case scenario, you just help your community in that way...
@@stefanradunovic8318 He just take all too seriously, overclock is just a game, just play and help each others with useful information, there are not some kind of spies stealing insane secrets, who cares...
@@stefanradunovic8318 ive gotten a lot of knowledge watching this channel. understanding the way things work is much more beneficial than knowing a number to plug in. My voltages NEVER match what people suggest or tell me my gear shoujld run, its all trial and error.
also no one cares if u unsub, do it or don't.
Because it's his business. He would rather charge $500 per consult and make a ton of money off the COD bros every year, than give it all away for free and let others (the rats) use it to make money off the same potential customers.
@@isakh8565 I understand but, piece of shit "stealing" what? They just have to try if the same voltage can applay to their ram/cpu, they just may find the stability with his help, anyone can find the same stability "secret settings" with some test..."piece of shit" what?? That's just cocky and rude with his followers...Is not that serius dude, just chill...Me as an overclocker i will never buy a consult because i enjoy play with my overclock settings, and i can share them with everyone and i already do it, in some forums, eather the easy tips for noobs and the hard one for who is at my same "leaning curve stage", the one who buy the consult is the one that have 0 idea about how overclock works, so he will sell the consult to the same person anyways...Maybe it's a limit of my mind, i don't understand all that hate for people sharing the same passion...
If you say that you know nothing about this community because you never been to his discord
3:06 "I don't want to reveal the voltages lol, TITLE OF VIDEO: DDR5 Overclocking Secrets and Tips, wanker Dufas, pure and simple...BUT somehow we love you, Peace.
I agree - DDR4 B-die has everyone spoilt. It's so flexible and very hard to actually mess up any subtimings which are not even optimal - the system will still boot.
This is why I watch your channel! I couldn't get my 7200 kit to pass occt. Forums said to raise V slowly, that didn't work. I rewatched this vid for a little refresh and then tried lowering the DRAM V -.02 and bam! She passes!
What dramv you put and what you had originally? Ill try, just got 2 errors with 7200mhz xmp on memtest86
did you make another clickbait video/title :D
I'm pleased I've bought ddr4 and did my own tuning. It wasn't easy for me but I eventually got it acceptable performance and stable!
I'd be happy if my XMP on my MSI Z790-A Pro worked at the rated 6400 of my ram... lol
Still on DDR4 and tighter timings and enjoying my ‘free’ performance boost 💪🥰. Always with the truth Jufes and that’s what we love about you 😇👍
DDR4 3600 CL17-22-22-48
is identical in performance to
DDR5 7200 CL34-44-44-96
So, there is no 'free' performance. Moving double the speed and taking twice the effort to push the data vs moving regular speed and using regular effort to push the data.
Never listen to the mem OC guys. Silicon lottery is real when going beyond spec so just ignore all those clowns and find your own tolerances. There are too many factors at play here that you kinda have to just FAAFO.
as much as i have bad to say about reddit pc community thr overclocking sub is honestly fine.
its all trial and errror
even shit that works on 90% of configs might not work on yours, ive never seen anyone ever say anything will work 100%
i just like beiing able to bounce ideas ofd ppl
Amd am5 6000 is the sweet spot to sync infinity fabric. Difficulty is raising a synchronised fabric beyond
*I learned the hard way that XMP/XPO is junk. In DDR, DDR2 and DDR3 days, you went into the BIOS and selected the highest frequency offered for your RAM. XMP was a stupid idea. Let people click a button and hope the manu got their numbers right....*
Jujus MS-Paint skills are from another planet🤣🤣🤣🚬
Whats the sweet spot or enable xmp to work on a 14900 kf
Hey dude I just wanted to say that over the last year you inspired me to build my own system. I have been buying it one piece at a time and I am on the home stretch. I just ordered my memory as soon as I pay that off I’ll order my gpu. I’m really nervous about getting a post. But I have been reading a lot but nothing I’ve read can make my ole lady understand lol. Anyways thx for the inspiration and although mine won’t be top end like yours it’s going to be a lot better that my 580 cyber power I got now.
its just like putting together legos
The first time is scary, but after that it's like a routine. My #1 advice for a first time build is simply don't be in a hurry with anything. No matter how stupid something seems, if you are unsure - search the internet / ask someone.
@@thecatdaddy1981 yah i followed a step by step guide my first time
@daveygravey88 Dude! Worst idea with tech components unfortunately.
Save all of you money up and then buy everything in 1 go.
By the time you build the rig, certain parts will be out of date.
Just messaging ya as a matter of concern as I dont want to see u shaft yourself
@@djemcee007 I’m already done it’s great build ended up with 4070ti it worked good for me I don’t know how things go for other people.
Just wanted ddr5 ram help and so much of this is going over my head because it's cryptic because of "the rats"... I'm so confused.
Where is the list of DDR5 7600+ kits you recommend buying? Could have got extra well worth it support from people buying the decent kits.
Check out recommended parts list on my website
I have gskill 7200 on the z790 apex board can anyone help me on how to achieve lowest latency possible for everyday use with this ram IV never oc I wanna learn
Yet again I am happy that I went with 10th gen and B-die, not having to deal with these memes.
Idk why anyone would pay for a consult lol people are lazy and don’t wanna put in the work to research ishhhhh only way to learn is to experiment 90% of the time your not gonna damage anything to the other 10% ya learned something 😂
I have i9 13900k and z790 hero maximus
DDR5 is 7200mhz 34.. can i hit 7800/8000mhz same 34cl ? idk where to start tweaking 🤓 cuz i’ve been trial and erroring a lot
I have the same cpu und Board. My corsair 7200 CL34 runs not stable with xmp. Do you have some tips for me? Did you changed anything, or does the ram kit run out of the box with the xmp profile well? Thanks a lot
@@kingrokko44 xmp and xmp 2 works fine without tweaking anything else. i have a G skill kit though so idk if that part of the reason or not
but does tips apply to Z690 ? in my case Asus Z690 Maximus extreme, you should be on the 100K subs ;)
Dude, you are fuckin awesome. Love how you tell it how it is man, thank you for explaining how unpredictable ddr5 is.
T force 7600 xmp dont work with Z790 gaming x ax and i5 13600 kf.
Guy acts like he’s the only person that understands ddr5, all for keeping your work private. But, to have an ego that makes you think you’re the only person that is capable 😂😂. Wild
ur so mad
@@gozutheDJ he can be mad, but he isn't wrong tho..
it's a few voltages that everyone with a brain can try, just search for safe voltages and run tests if higher doesn't work just go lower., bro is sweating for nothing.
Memory overclocking isn't THAT hard when you don't go insane on subtimings but focus on easy and useful ones that most kits can do.
I have a 14900 kf with ddr5 and I'm wondering what this oc ram helps with.
How should i tune my ddr5 ? Should i first get the higest frequency i can and then tighten the timings or the other way around ? What method can you recommand ?
I have 2x16Gb corsair 7200 mhz cl34-44-44-96 with xmp at 1.45 v
so solution is ? turn xmp off crank it up and loosen the timings, and find the sweet spot? after you find it tighten the timings ?
i just got the 8200mhz kit with the 13000kf and im running 1.4 volts but only cranking 7400. 7600 ran but felt like tarkov ran a bit rough
Great topic here, look like IMCs are pretty unequal quality from one 13900k to another... Jeezzzfus
Hey Jufes, been watching your vids for a while now but I am struggling with deciding on a ram upgrade for my system
10850k
3080ti
msi mag z490
corsair ddr4 rgbpro 16gb 3200mhz cl16.
I'm playing mostly warzone @ 1440p, will I actually see some decent gains at this resolution with a ram upgrade or not?
huge gain if you get 4000 cl15
How is 7000mhz ddr5 slower then ddr4? what you mean
Do the maths 🧮
The real latency in ns isnt the cas latency.
He is the formula
1/(ram frequency/2000)x cas latency
For my 7200mhz cl34 kit
1/(7200/2000)x34 = 9,44 ns
Or
1/3,6x34=9,44 ns
Yeah I cannot get 7600xmp to work on my 13700k at all... So I had to settle for 7000 with custom timings
what about the layers of the motherboard? are 8 layers fine or do you ned more for 7600+?
M-die kits (og 6400c32 for example) at 7200 32-42-42-28 is 48ns on my Unify-x. All manual of course. 1.41v on IMC.
With tuning I got my to xmp at 7800 on 1.55v
This video was helpful for me. I have a 7200 cl34 kit that post in xmp but not stable at all. These videos help me understand how finicky this shit is.
I have the exact same problem on a Asrock z790 with a 13700k, so I’ve been looking into manual overclocking
@@nicholasirizarry6068did you find any??? I have the same problem
just get a fan and put it ontop of gpu aiming at ram
@@nicholasirizarry6068have you solve this?
@@tuncaycalan1125 I haven’t, I’m planning on just downgrading to a 6200 mhz gskill kit that I know can run the xmp stable, the last bios update for my mobo helped out a little bit but I still can’t get through a single benchmark without it crashing
I need help no computer tech nows how to help u have ddr5 z5 trident 6000mhz every dram voltage us unstable it feels like do I higher my vddq more then dram voltage if so how high I keep my timming the same as rated
Are they trying to engeneere out overclockig by , making the factory settings about as high as that particular cmponent will go or boost?
14:00 "but this is slower than DDR4 anyways" - how is 7200 mhz slower than DDR4? Isn't the CAS latency the thing that determines whether RAM is "fast" or "slow"? Like I thought DDR5 6000 MHZ CL30 was considered fast. Someone help me out
What happen to MEMOK button, can you recommend any motherboard whit MEMOK button on am5 socket for ddr5 ?
Thanks for the information.. i like this.
I'm not experienced with ram OC and it took me a month to get 6200 CL32 1.4v stable on a hynix 64GB 5600 CL30 kit so I just settled with it. Running on 13900KF and Unify-X.
Its harder to find overclocking info on the 64GB kits so any tips would be appreciated.
if its 4 dimms thats probably close to the limit.
but 5600 to 6200 is a solid
oc id say
@@gozutheDJIt's a 2 stick kit on 2 dim board. I was using a 12100F until the I got the 13900KF and the i3 would also do 6200 so something is probably going on here. Maybe need to play with VCCSA more which is at 1.15v right now.
@@FireBarrels dont have experience with currrent intels so cant say, i do know to he very careful with that voltage tho
@@gozutheDJ I have a 6400 kit and I cannot run it at xmp 6400 only 6200 I trie on 2 12900k and 1 13900k on z690 extreme Rog
@@gozutheDJ I loosened some of the timings closer to the gskill 6000 64GB kit and got it to work at 6600
ill run my ddr4 kit into the ground i don't care if i even lose 10% fps ddr5 just looks like an absolute shitshow
So a couple of ripjaws 6000mhz can be overclocked to say 7200?
What to do brother when i got 13900k / strix z790-e gaming with xmp tweaked and ai oc on cpu, didnt change anything just did memtest86 on my 2x16gb kingston fury renegade 7200mhz with 1.45v auto dram, but warzone keep crashing me, once i got bsod, builder set it on 6400 and stability tested it, but i want to get 7200mhz as my kit is for. What should i do when i got only 2 errors on 4/4 memtest86? I dont know much about oc :(
Hey Jufes, you had a z690i aorus Ultra ddr4. I'm not able to post if I don't enable xmp and I'm also not able to post above 4000mts for some reason. Any tips?
i went with 13900k DDR5 6000 cl30 MSI Unify 4 slot as was focussed on the lower latency after DDR4 AMD fiddling! Is it far better to have higher mhz and higher latency on DDR5 Jufes?
Hi,
I have ASUS strix z790-e and i9 13900K + DDR5 teamgroup t-force delta rgb ddr5 7600mhz but i have a speed problem.
DDR5 running at 7400MHz CL40.
I read a lot about DDR5 and or ASUS that STRIX is not very good at DDR5. But then again, some claim that they run 7800Mhz without a problem.
Could it be a BIOS problem? I still have version 0401 and it is already 0703. There is already 0804 in development. But from what I have read, BIOS 0703 also has problems. So I don't know if it's a RAM problem or a BIOS or CPU problem.
I have DDR5 first and XMP does not work.
Buying 13900k, 8GHz memory, top CPU cooler and not having money for consult? If you buy like Pc for like 4k+ I am sure you can find another 500 for tuning.
i have 13900k and 7200 ddr5 A-die z790 E gaming MB . Im afraid to OC Ram because its so complicated with voltages and running memory test.. definitely Time consuming to say the least. And you’re right about DDR5 OC forums… its all personal testing data
Get to it my dude, high end gaming is calling.
If your at 7200 you are already OC though right?
Oh yes, crank my sweet spot frame catcher
my gskill 7800's XMP tweaked on the apex board worked out the box, even when i set frequency to 8000 same timings no errors on tm5 extreme, this was with a 13900ks though.
In all good OC forums they say it depends on your CPU some has good memory controller and some not...
Running Apex Maximus Z790
13900ks
7200 mhz g skill 16x2
I cant activate XMP and have it at 7200mhz. i wont even boot into bios. just no display. cleared cmos and set it to 5800 mhz, seems to run stable with short boot times.
i still get up error codes when in windows with 47,48,49,50, 51 and seen 60 some times aswell. anything i should be worried about ? when opening taskmanager it says 5800 frequence on ram.
That’s really bad ever fix it?
Jufe real name Ivan I found on kiwi farm
Depending on performance of new x3d chips, not having to mess finicky DDR5 could be a benefit.
More than likely, you probably could have the slowest ddr5 and it will operate the same compared to the fastest supported!
@@cybersamiches4028 well no, you still will benefit from getting your memory and IF as fast as possible lol.
@@gozutheDJ its going to run without ram!
All the cod “optimizers” are going to love stealing this information
what about ddr4 vs ddr5 max oc on 13th gen？
No igpu less power to controller if controller not connected to igpu more power less drain
i actually got my 6400 cl 32 kit from shitty g skill trident z5 with bad cooling to run 6800 cl 32-39-39-102 cr2 on a 4 dimm rog strix board with 65k trefi 9 txp and some other tuned settings vdd 1.47 and vddq 1.51 its barely close to crash but it passed 30.000 karhu ram test at 59.5 celcius thats a 7 hour and 15 min karhu test and has never crashed thats many hours of testing :) i run it with a 13700k sp at 93 on p cores but e cores only 47 but its known for bad memory controller. but thanks to ur fortnite video i figured out how to stabalize my ring :)))). thanks again frame chasers ur the best youtuber!!!!!
I just got the same kit running at 7000 CL32-41-41-28 65k TREFI with 1.45V. 1.28V SA & 1.4V VDD. I just got it stable after a day of tinkering and running TM5 so I'm going to try and lower timings a bit more.
I also put a fan over my ram recently and I get no errors, so I'm going to crank the voltage up to 1.5V and see what timings/temps I can get.
I need a better mb to lower my timings if i go cr1 i can do 4800 max with 26-29-29-29 but its not faster in latency than cl 32 6800 bc of the + 25 % so i stick with 6800 mdie in cr2
My board on die ram cant go over 6000 mhz its super weird.
Im never gonna buy a 4 dimm board ever again from asus rog strix 😂
@@Nerd-Freaki91 I'm using an MSI MPG Z690 EDGE. I'm surprised it even hit 7000. I couldn't get 7200 stable on it womp womp, but I got a bunch of secondary and tertiary timings tightened down at 7000CL32 so I'm happy. Latency in AIDA64 test is 55ns with a 14700K.
I want a 2 dimm board but its not worth buying a new one now lol.
13900ks review?? :)
Z690i gigabyte motherboard won’t get me past 6600. What am I doing wrong. I have a die g skills/13900kf
arent the z690s only rated for like somwhere around that?
My early 12900k is a crap MC. I have a 5600 1.2v kit which i run at 6000 with tightened timings but this 4 dimm Gigabyte Pro board board just will not go over 6000 without errors. I have tried everything and have also seem that VSCCA + other CPU memory voltages have sweet spots. Not very impressed with Gigabyte either but didnt want to pay asus joke prices.
The memory clearly has more in it is the dimm voltages dont even need to go that high. Its def weird. Tried a contact frame but that didnt change much. Chips running nicely otherwise.
Same as DDR4, XMP is crap to support all Mobo and CPUs. With DDR5, primary timing like CAS example, doesn't have an impact as tweaking the sub-timings; which has a big impact on lowering the latency and increasing the bandwidth. XMP with A die is even worst.
Amazing! Entertaining and informative.
Hey wanna ask you as your the best no bs realdeal guy to ask. Is the palit rtx 4090 oc gamerock worth it ? It has like 16 vrm instead of the FE version which has higher. Many say it's not good to get that 4090 model, also for slight OCing is it ok ?. Wanted to know your thoughts.
Thanks. Guess Im fine with my bdie 3600 mhz cl14 on a 12700k. Just did some minor tuning like 1 to 1 ratio and lowering the main timing forgot what is called. To 312 instead of default 566 or something.
u can definitely push that to 4000
@@gozutheDJ yea i tried once and pc kept restarting i think that burned out my lian li aio, they replaced quickly like 2 weeks but still.
@@MrCibao809 that is not an issue. That aio just fails all the time.
@@MrCibao809 huh? restarting sounds like CPU instability.
@@gozutheDJ na it was when I tried overclocking ram, everything runs fine 12700k, runs fine and stays cool. Match with a 3080ti I am getting the best out the ram, cpu and gpu.
Just forget about XMP. Get the SK hynix a-die green sticks and manual OC the crap out of it. As for motherboard forget about the z790 APEX, they never in stock, just get the evga z690 kingpin from amazon.
Ddr5 is kind of a challenge. But I kind of like it, gives me something to do lol, Xmp is def a bitch on it though. I'd still personally rather buy an 8000 kit and just lower the frequency if I couldn't get it to work, for me at least it's easier to get the timings lower at least
I'm too chickensh*t to overclock my memory besides XMP. My DDR4 ram is only running at 3200mhz :(
Thanks for all the unbiased knowledge. I'm really trying to learn more about RAM and overclocking because I'm knowledgeable in general but not with those specifics. I pretty much rely on XMP and ASUS AI overclocking in bios. Is there a source that you know of where it breaks down what all the RAM timings mean? I'm one of the broke college students going on a grant and financial aid but I love this shit, I dump all my money, even my food budget into my ROG setup. Wish I knew about the APEX Encore before I bought this Z790-E but it has served me well. Thanks to everyone who supports this genius because I can't afford to but like the info!
Bro my 5600 XMP amd doesn’t even work
my 13900KF Z790 Hero XMP1 G-skull 6000MHz 36-36-36-28 tiny weak works perfectly but i cant get the latency below 58ns my DDR4 XMP2 out of the box has 40ns DDR4-4000 CL16-16-16-36. Question how important is the Latency vs Frequency
For gaming a lot
you have both kits test them
@@gozutheDJ ddr4 feels better to be honest but I'm trying to figure the right tweak for the ddr5 to get lower latency
@@alphanecha it feels that way to me until i manage to get the right tweak for the ddr5 and get those low latency
@@mohammedalkhayat7888 i didnt saw many under 50 ns ddr5 tweeked kits. I think ddr5 is scaling a bit different then ddr4. Some games scaling better with ddr5 some less
I got 6200mhz thinking it would be a decent upgrade form 3200mhz ddr4 then you said 7200 or less go ddr4. Rip for me😂
that is an upgrade. worst case scenario the latency is on par but you have higher bandwidth which will help with certain things.
@__gozu_ ill maybe look into overclocking it, they're corsair dominator sticks, last ones were ballistix. Just would I gain much more is the question overclocked my 13900kf stock gpu, as overclocking it in my eyes isn't worth it...I don't know.
@@FlexxRG dude if you wanna do it then you're gonna do it. if you dont care enough to do it at least out of pure curiousity, i probably wouldnt bother. just enjoy your games
And there is me with my 6600 kit unstable x(
Just asking here if someone can help me like point me in the right direction to make it stable please? Msi z690 carbon wifi, 13700k, 2x16gb gskill 6600cl34 hynix a die.
I know it's different for everyone, i have watched the vid.. I have looking around for help on oc discord, on google, youtube, still lost so.. If you guys gave any tips id take it :)
Worked around my CPU SA, DRAM and DRAM VDDQ, CPU VDDQ/VDD2, started from xmp profile with stock cpu, also tried with oc cpu, pc is working but ram isn't fully stable :(.. (Would have loved to reach 6800 c34 since msi said that they made the gskill a die 6800 c34 kit to work..)
so each imc is different, in short
The days of XMP/EXPO can only come to an end if no further memory controller improvement can be made on next gen CPUs beyond 13th Gen/Zen 4. Something we don't know yet.
ive noticed some weird AF behaviour with voltages on my ryzen. ive had 3800 1900 IF pretty stable for a bit then one day it decided to shit the bed errroring in TM5 within 2 minutes etc etc. changed bios version unplugged everything gave it a good dusting, ran it at 3733 1866 at lower voltages than i had been pushing thru it stable af for a couple weeks then bumped it up to 3800/1900 at the same lower voltages and its been flawless. really odd. coulda just needed a cleaning.
@@enacku 16 17 16 16 32 @ 3800
@@enacku 1.420v dimm and 1.15v soc
@@enacku 5900x if u were curious and x570 meg ACE. 2 16gb sticks corsair dominator platinum. dual rank. technically half of a 4 dimm 64 gb kit hahah.
@@enacku are you trying to keep at it? you absolutely should be able to do 3733. maybe at c15 or 16
@@enacku i really think your reboots were curve optimizer related. id reccomenmd a manual all core OC anyway
and double check those pinouts regardless lmao, you never know if they changed something slightly compareed to a different model
do you have discord or something
A lot of generations get better yields over time, especially on memory controller. That's of course on average tho, there's still obviously going to be shitty controllers and good controllers.
between 7900xt and the 4070ti wich one you think is better?
4070ti
I haven’t personally tested them so I can’t make a valid suggestion
I keep hitting a wall at 7200 with my DDR5 setup. The frustrating part is that I'll have it stable for a day or two (passes occt, realbench, CB) then out of the blue, will start crashing on certain games.
7200 is the only speed that is consistently stable. So I tightened up the timings as much as I could and called it good.
DDR5 was going to allow users to save timing profiles ON the stick rather than bios. Is it working like that?
Love the content brother. Keep crushing it!
I keep trying to do this, and I can't manually set and get my 5200 rated Intel XMP coded profile 128gb of DDR5 up from 4800 to 5200... on a Ryzen 7950x that wants an EXPO coded recommended profile.
Someone needs to make a video explaining what all these settings and numbers actually mean, on a physical hardware level, so you have some idea what you are doing by changing a number. Otherwise, you're just dealing with a black box and the values are literally... almost meaningless.
good shit, watch all the scammers only suggest 7600 kits and down clock lol
Does it really matter for AMD if the memory is EXPO rated vs XMP?
Mom walked in at 10:52
I did 2 builds of 7700x with gskill 6000 and the Expo worked great on both rigs.
Same ,my Kingston Fury Beast 6000(cl36) works just fine @Expo (ryzen 7700x )
expo is testing the settings though isnt it?
@@gozutheDJ ????
Expo is the factory OC.
@@_sneer_ Play WZ all the time with plenty other games with no crashes on expo.
@@_sneer_ Nah ,im using the PC for gaming ,not benching. I did not have any issue/bluescreen/restart since i bought it 2 months ago.
I have a 7800X3D on an X670-E MSI and I'm trying to run Corsair Vengeance 7000MHz C34 but when I turn on XMP the PC won't post.. any tip?
Obligatory “What is the goal here?” Post 😂
I have i9-13900ks
Z790 master
g skill 8000hz
And now I know why is not working
What I can do??
FrameChasers.org/consulting
My tuned 6800 mdies kit does 49 ns in Aida latency with my 12900k and 690 master. Im not gonna change my CPU till new Socket comes out. Maybe raptorlake S. Its so time consuming to tweek them and test stabilty
The fastest memory I could get in Australia as 32gb dimms was 5600mhz. I have a 13900k and can't get the memory to run faster that 5000mhz but I do have four modules. The XMP profile doesn't work properly.
helo jafes, I play Pokémon red on emulator do I need bee die ddr4 or do I need ddr5 over clockerd please thanknypu
DDR5 сплошное разочарование. 6400 даёт абсолютно лучшую производительность и если сравнивать с DDR4 этот прирост выглядит как погрешность если сравнивать с DDR3.
- походу скоро выйдет куча игр и програм которые будут требовать по 64гб DDR5 чтоб оправдать "нужность" этой оперативной памяти.
I totally get protecting your consult money from the rats. But if you started making in depth overclocking videos, for gaming specifically, you kill two birds with one stone. Getting to 100k and putting rats out of business cause people will just watch you and overclock themselves.
no they wont tho lmao. because for memory OC you literally have to change onr thing, boot, run stability test. rinse and repeat for every setting/voltage for hours
@@gozutheDJ what you said has nothing to do with what i said. Buildzoid has 161k subs…and that’s xoc shite. There’s 0 reliable oc information in regards to gaming. There’s a niche that could be filled
@@cbarrshiz it has exactly to do with what you said.
A: how are you going to make memory overclocking tutorials? its gonna be hours of tweaking one setting. what does that teach anyone?
B: there's PLENTY of information out there including Jufe's content for u to get going if you really want to.
0 reliable OC info in regards to gaming? like what does that even mean?
get clock high get latency low lmao. also go watch Jufes' video testing different memory latencies and in game results. he's already given u the formula, lowering memory latency = faster the CPU can get frames to the GPU = better frame timing = more frames.
shit u can go make a help me thread in r/overclocking they are very nice and helpful. buildzoid is a mod in there as well.
also, speaking of, XoC or not, there's loads you can learn from buildzoid as well. often times his memory * well i shouldnt say often times because i just recalled one vid where he ran 2 volts thru the memory lmao. just use common sense. he does usually say where he would make adjustments to make it a daily tho. u can also pick up some things from his react vids to other people's memory tunings
if you want to understand how memory timings work in relation to one another, he's got videos on that as well.
what more does anyone need to get going? if thats not enough then they just dont want to.
@@erisium6988 oh please enlighten me then
@@gozutheDJ look man im agreeing with most of what youre saying. But even big J himself said that he really only tweaks primaries/trefi/trfc for gaming(atleast for ddr4). Buildzoid goes balls deep and while i enjoy his content, it’s not for most people. Im a cod bro mostly and 0 people make good reliable OC content for gamers. I get why, theyre makin bags off of consults. A video explaining the important timings(for gaming)how to read and understand hwinfo, stress testing for use case, safe voltage ranges, etc. I understand that info is out there but google safe voltages for x chip, youll get 150 different fucking answers and multiple ways of oc’ing. Pbo, per core, voltage offsets, all that bullshit. All im saying is itd be cool if he made a video about it. I dont give a shit if he does either way, as i figured it out myself. He mentioned in this video avoiding discussing that, because people monetize his info. I get that, but i commented my two cents as a 2 year sub to this guy. I do not get why you immediately shit on my explanation tho. No biggie, I appreciate the reply
the next ddr is 2 times the speed of the previous ddr..ddr 4 speed is 4800 so the ddr5 speed should be 2 x 4800= 9600 but its not. its 5600,6000,6400,7200,7600,7800 and 8000 MHz. and they mostly don't work. ddr5 8000 MHz is mostly faulty.
I still see Samsung B-die DDR4 as a better option, you can overclock it to crazy and stable 1.7 volts and push 32gb kits to work on 5333 MHz with CL20
I must of got lucky, picked up a gskill 6000 cl30 expo works a treat on 7700x.
Hey I think I saw in the thumbnail the bitspower ln2 heatspreaders. Anyone use them with a waterblock, they look so nice, only ones from USA that look to be all copper.