Not to provide subtitles for French was a brilliant move … by doing that we as audience had same perspective as Shashi as she was not able to understand what he was saying but still kinda get the point …
But, as someone who understands French, I thought it was a lost opportunity to show Indian audiences how a respectful man speaks to a woman. Particularly for boys brought up on a diet of Indian films where stalking and ignoring consent is glorified, it could have been an opening up of thought horizons.
@@EagleOverTheSea I definitely agree. I think it's time we let those toxic tropes go and highlight the healthy aspects of love and relationships and rejection in our own culture.
I liked the fact Shashi was never really conflicted between her husband and Laurent. She was v stoic and always knew she couldn't get drawn into his words and feelings. But she recognised and appreciated his attention despite being dismissive of it. And yes like Syntel said it was nice to see how they depicted you meet people in your journey that may not necessarily become a part of your life. You meet them and get helped and touched by their actions then life moves on... Thats just how it goes sometimes. It's one of the beautiful things in life... The kindness of strangers or friends you make along the way and bond with
Shashi's line when she answered the same thing to her niece says it all about why the story didn't go Laurent route. The line was "I didn't lack love, what I lacked was respect". This is all u need to understand. All Shashi needed was affirmation and appreciation which she gained back again, with positive reinforcement from Laurent. She herself needed to believe she is that good, which became possible seeing it from his eyes. That gave her new views on her own life and made it better
U can respect ur principal/boss, but can u love him/her?? Similarly, u cant find anyone mostly that doesn't love his/her mother, but is that person giving the due respect? These are separate emotions and has separate importance. Don't get confused. That's why she had to specify to her niece she doesn't need any outside love which probably would be solution if ur idea of no respect = no love was used. These lines are nice to read on paper but not applicable in life. Lots of things have separate compartments in our life and we need to keep it that way.
I thought the ending was a subtle piece of brilliance - she asked for a Hindi newspaper because while she learned to speak English and loved discovering something new, she hasn't forgotten her roots or what she originally used to love as well. I think the message was that she can now understand both English and Hindi and the old - the new, all of it is now part of her life.
Achara, you articulated and summarized what the movie was trying to convey so well. It was definitely very Indian of her to stay in the marriage and deciding to work on herself (even tho she didn't really need to). I love how you have become our spokesperson, understand us and our culture sooo well and hit the nail on the head with your articulation skills.
I have been watching this channel right from its heyday, trust me when I say this, Achara has always been this perceptive. Sometimes it just surprised us how she understood references or hidden messages in a scene that could just easily escape a foreigner who is not aware of Indian Cinema, even the ones that are aware don't always get it. Also, she doesn't just throw her opinions, it's very articulate and comes from a place of respect and understanding. She's truly been the main force behind the success of Jaby's channel.
@@jimhalpert3269 Yeah same here. I think I have been watching them since I started watching youtube itself. Achara is my fav no doubt about that I just love her.
If in this case of Sridevi even if some women choosen/decided to go the way where she got someone who not just loved but respected her, able to see her who she really is as person, see her goodness & appreciates, admires all of it, much nicer to her than the ppl she thought as her own, despite knowing her weaknesses & lackings ready to accept her, made her feel valued, feel lived, despite not understanding words still understood her..Then that should be fine too whether as very indian thing or human thing, It shouldn't be seen smthing odd to our culture to value own happiness smtimes and rather must accept as healthy practice in culture too coz most times ppl not choose that happy ray out of burden of responsiblities, guilt forced by judgemental society & shame, disrespect, whatnot toxicity would be thrown at them just for that instead of letting things go it's way peacefully, positively without making a big deal of it. In such situations Many men can infact do choose that other way, it's not very easy for them still easier than How it's for women in our society When it shouldn't be for anyone.
Sometimes when you've lived a long time with someone, you end up taking their presence and love for granted. The movie amidst other things teaches us to never forget to show our compassion, appreciation, respect and love for our loved ones. Also, people who pinpoint others flaws and weaknesses in disguise of a joke should understand that all individuals are aware of their flaws; you cannot imagine the insecurities they have; so while they are trying to live with their flaws, the least you can do is not remind them of it again and again. Compassion is the key.
Very well written @Sukumari. I slightly disagree with the last part though. Her husband repeatedly making fun of her flaws/limitations played an important part which made her to improve herself and take those classes. So I think it is ok to joke about the (fixable)flaws of your loved ones. This will make them achieve something amazing and is for their own good only. We should just know the limits of where to stop. Cheers 🙂.
@@jameschabbra1678 There are better ways to encourage someone to improve than to make fun of them in front of everyone and lower their self esteem even more.
@@jameschabbra1678 If you joke about your partners weaknesses in front of others - it becomes something that others can joke about as well. as a partner - there are better ways to make a person want to grow ...joking in private, suggestion of opportunities to grow etc. Take on of your insecurity and observe what you feel when your partner makes fun of it in front of others.
@@Maya_hee by joking I meant joking in private and not infront of anyone else. It is true that her husband (intentionally/unintentionally) made fun of her infront of everyone else and that's bad.
I think this movie states that only love is not enough between Husband and wife, there has to be respect as well. Sridevi knows that her husband loves her but does not respect her. This is reflected in the kids' behaviour. They must be taking cues from the father. Last but not the least, Constant exposure to ridicule and criticism (over and covert) has led to Sridevi not respecting herself. So this movie is a journey of Sridevi proving to herself and the world that she is more than a wife, mother, homemaker and a daughter-in-law. They didn't show husband apologizing cos many men's ego wouldn't allow them to do so. Another aspect is you don't always have to say sorry in words his expression, his deeds do show it.
@@ompatel5570 Yes. But I would rather that a husband or wife rectify their behaviour. Sometimes a person's apology is mere lip service and they go back to their old behaviour.
@@akankshapatwari4167 Your comment reminds me of my father and mother. He keeps ridiculing and disrespecting her without a reason. Always making her feel inferior to him. He is a good father but worst husband. My mother tolerates all this. I, "an obedient son" can't even stand up for her. 😢
Achara and Syntell, now you guys should do a watch along of Queen (2014). That is another feel good movie. You will definitely love Queen, if you loved English vinglish.
This is one of the best Indian movies ever made. Sridevi was one of India's best actors. Gem of an actress and gem of a movie. I loved the movie and your review and understanding of it.
When two of intellectual person talk about a movie then many things come out which you didn't notice while watching the same movie from same culture background Thank you two such deep reaction.
This movie is so important for the Indian audience across age groups because it empowers and restores the dignity of the Indian homemaker. This may be true in a lot of other Asian households as well, the homemaker is very ill treated and isn't appreciated for her work, she's doing a thankless and unpaid job, without any leaves. Hands down, this movie is a love letter to the Indian homemaker. Adding to this, it's a very personal movie to a lot of people in my circle as their moms or relatives struggled with English too. The colonial hangover in India is very real on certain occasions, and I'm happy this movie didn't make Shashi feel the need to learn English out of colonial pressure or peer pressure, but only out of need for independence. Gauri Shinde did a fabulous job with this movie. Thank you Achara and Syntell for watching this ❤️
Thanks to Achara translating the French dialogues for Syntell, I finally understand what Laurent was trying to say and it makes my personal experience of the movie so much more meaningful now. I understand it was a creative choice to not give subtitles for his dialogues to make us feel the same way Shashi feels about him, but knowing now that these were the dialogues, it feels like a gap in connecting to this movie completely has finally been closed.
Only thing that you people missed the importance of how Shashi said, "Do you have New York...sorry, do you have any Hindi newspaper?". It showed her husband and the audience in large that she still hasn't forgotten her roots. And that is the beauty of the ending
11:47 Honestly that's the point where it is *not* a feel good indie. It's realistic. The situation where she slaves away from morning to night, sacrificing her interests, hasn't been addressed or changed. She still does that, but the ending supposedly alludes that she's still going to go home with the lesson that individuality and self respect don't come over duty, except now they won't treat her like a literal slave, just make her work like one. The scene where she rejects the newspaper really puts everything into context. It's like she's being a 'good' woman/mother/wife by giving up her silly little side pursuit. The thing about Indian cinema and how progressive this was back in 2012 (even by hollywood's standards) is that the gener is rarely distinct and defined, and that this movie is self aware. Everything needs to have a little of something, masala movies, as you know. But to me, it was a sad reflection of the condition and value of housewives (in addition to the social divide English created). It was a silent lesson. Maybe that was the intent of the writers. Maybe it's judt patriarchy. I understand if you guys are hesitant of being critical of Indian culture because of the culture differences and at the risk of offending your audience, but being frank and handling it sensitively will probably be better.
Actually I agree with everything you say, what a brilliant analysis! Jug jug jiyo. Also I see that it's small changes like this in life that also needs to be celebrated. My personal experience, my mom started pursuing her career dream at 42 age. And while she is good at it now, her role in family is same, thankfully my dad wasn't like the one in movie. He supported her, he would do house chores, i shifted to other city, so they both had to manage it. But my mom's absolute love for her kitchen is something she won't give up. Even today when I cook, she enters to add finishing touches. It's just what she did with lot of passion all her life. So, difficult to give up.
I took the rejecting newspaper thing differently and heard many people do the think the same too...she rejected the English paper bcz she dsnt want to behave someone diff just bcz now she knows English...although I agree abt her as a housewife nthng has changed and it's just tht she is a bit more aware of herself now than she was in the past. And may be somewhat gained some confidence.
@Akashi P "I don't need love...my family loves me a lot, they just don't respect me." ~ something along those lines. Which really hits the point. It wasn't just being taken for granted that hurt her, it was the disrespect in general. Like the opening sequence. She does all the work, makes tea (despite not drinking it), gets a newspaper she can't read, makes food she doesn't eat until she serves everyone, and doesn't even get a little time to unwind with a hot coffee. She doesn't like that. No woman likes that. When they repeat the sequence as her family arrives in New York, it was like water over the only plans she made for herself in a long time. Her relationship with her family didn't really improve. They always loved her, and her daughter especially was remoresful but that was about it. Is the dad going to get her coffee? Nope. Anything else going to change? Maybe the language bias. They didn't address these nuances, these troubles and sacrifices which Indian housewives are expected to go through are normalized. Throughout I felt english was almost an allegory for her ambition. She was unsure at first, discouraged by her family. Then she was pushed by life to realize it. They she was pushed in the same box again.
@Akashi P There is a part up to interpretation, and then there isn't. She believes that blindly looking after everyone with no regard for herself is her duty, as seen in the scene where she tries going to class but her son gets hurt instead. Independent of the story, that is classic husband blame reassignment behaviour. Anything happens to the kid and mom's not there, where was she? it's her fault. If anything happens to the kid and mom was right there, what was she doing? it's her fault. (and this is not exclusive to India.) Then, I stress again, is the montage of the morning routine. If you don't feel an ounce of sympathy for it, then you haven't been in that position or observed someone there closely. No one likes it. As you speak of your mom, I don't think that doing the dishes is her passion and lifetime goal. She just does it because she's taught that's what good housewives do, like my mom too. The last part is exactly my orignal point. It's not a feel-good story. It's a feel-bad story. (well not exactly. More like a mix of both). Even though Shashi stumbled to some untrodden dirt road of an adventure, she ends where she was, thouh looking at things with a new perspective. As she says to Laurent finally, her position hasn't really changed, how she views herself has changed. The silent themes scream if you look for them. Her path hasn't changed. The journey and destination are the same. That's the grim part, and then there is the consolation of resignment and acceptance too.
Welcome to my long a** comment 😂 Many people, especially youngsters, who watched this movie still don't like the ending of this story, without Shashi and Laurent united. But I personally feel that would have been a very unrealistic character development for Shashi. She was so selfless that she didn't even know she was a small entrepreneur for "just making and selling laddoos". If this was some fairy-tale movie, then 4-weeks of English classes in a foreign country would have transformed her into a rebellious woman - she would have left her husband (whom she loved and respected, despite him treating her awfully) and go off to live with a guy whom she knows only for 4 weeks (and he belongs to an entirely different culture). But, it's not a fairy tale - it's a story based on Indian beliefs and culture. Achara, you were very articulate about your view on Shashi's decision to stay in her marriage. I also loved Syntell's take on it and also, specially for talking about the small important scene with Amitabh Bachchan.
yeah you wouldn't leave your long term husband over someone who you know for a few week even by western standards it would be a weird way to end a movie
I mean I don't like that she stayed in that relationship because it's not a good one for her. And realistically speaking the chances of the guy actually changing his mind is small. But at the same time when I watched the movie it makes a lot more sense for her character to stay in that relationship regardless of that. Even if her husband continued to treat her badly she would stayed. It's was a good choice as a movie showing a character like hers. But that doesn't mean it's a good choice to make in real life. Or even that the only choice she could make is between the both of them. It's not like she can't divorce her husband and also not immediately go with Laurent. But her character wouldn't do that.
@Potassium Syndicate family isn't also a prison, u can leave when it treats u badly. Clinging on to it even when the family doesn't treat you with love or respect is disrespectful to the self.
The English class reminded of achara would know it - mind your language the British show. We also have had Indian version of it called zabaan sambhal ke. Shahid Kapoor's dad plays the character of the teacher.
i watched this movie when I was a teen and since then I payed extra attention to how i talk to my mother, because i understood that she was doing her best and she has feelings too so I should always try to appreciate that and if something like happens where my parents can't understand something in English, then that's okay, I can always explain it gently and be nice with it, especially that my parents didn't learn English and didn't have to since my country doesn't use English much. SO, i think this movie has lots of beautiful messages so we need to learn from it and appreciate it.
One of the reviews I’ve seen for this movie, it’s so wholesome how you guys connected with the character and felt how she would actually feel. Much love to you guys!! ❤
English Vinglish is one of the best movies 😍 Sridevi ji gave an amazing performance!! Also the movie has such an amazing message for the greater mass.. Feels happy how Achara understands and convyes some parts. Thank you Achara for reacting to this movie!
You know why I love and admire Achara, it's not even about the east and the west. Achara just understands the Indian fabric of emotions effortlessly. Everybody has their own share of struggles in life, but in the end, it's not about you, or your giving back, but it's all about being able to bring about a realization, without losing your own resilience and dignity
I LOVE Syntell's views!!! Achara, of course is a pro on the channel :) but Syntell's inputs are so appreciated here especially the metaphor of plane ride as Life. Brilliant perspective!! I also loved how he saw the movie for what it is and allowed it to open him to another context rather than comparing it to an American movie and trying to fit it in a western mould. Loved this reaction. 👏
Loved the discussion and also the comments. Read many people's view point in the comments and they were really good. This movie kinda makes me feel a little guilty as I was almost like the daughter in the movie when I was in school. My mom doens't speak English and all my classmates had thier parents all high class speaking English and working. My mom is a housewife and I used to be embarassed. Now I feel so ashamed that I ever thought like that cuz now I realise that it's nothing to be embarassed about. My mom wasn't able to get English education during her time and that's not her fault. Many parents or even Kids don't know English in other countries where the mother tongue is not English. I'm glad I've learnt my lesson.
I love this duo review. Thankfully no jaby here... sometimes movies should be watched just to enjoy and relax not to look at it every frame by frame and camera angles and give your viewer anxiety attack!!!
@jake dawson true to some extent but it does get very monotonous when movies are watched so skeptically. Some movies are supposed to make you feel good and a escape from reality. It doesn't deserved to be scrutinised under a microscope in every shot like this movie
@jake dawson bro i agree what you are saying. some people may find it intresting even i also BUT NOT ALWAYS. it sometimes becomes boring and monotonous specially in these kind of movies. i would suggest him either do a seperate segement altogether or atleast provide time stamp so people who are not intrested on "technical" part of the movie can skip the part
Achara as you likes indie movies about family and friends then you guys should definitely react to New York starring Katrina, John and Neil. Its a story about 3 friends and how their life takes a turn after 9/11. Its a very underrated movie.
Achara and Syntell are amazing audience. Esp the way Achara connects with movie is awesome. I think she understands our movies way way better than what many Indians even understand. Thank you so much for expressing your thoughts. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Glad that you guys have started more of review of movie. I have been watching jaby from way back when he hardly had idea of bollywood. Its great to see the transformation Everytime i watch review i so wish to be there to explain the background of the story which is either connected with indian culture or indian type of jokes or sarcasm which sometimes they miss it.
2:08 I think they didn't just "manage" to get perfect Indian clothes for their characters. Almost all Hollywood studios don't care if they're reinforcing stereotypes by not knowing abt the culture they're representing on screen b'coz they want to please the audience's ignorance.
And guess what. I was watching this video before entering the theatre to watch heropanti (don't judge please, my boyfriend is a tiger fan so i had to) and after watching the film i wanna say - if achara syntel reviews are like glass of cold water in scorching heat then heropanti is like the throat infection u have after a quick gulping of ice cold water.
If she would have chosen the preeti thing / the French guy , it would disregard her effort of learning, the strength she had to do what she did . Here in India the movie would not have served purpose or the moral of the story .
I haven't seen the movie, but from what I've heard, I would like another ending where Shashi ended up with Laurent. But I think that people also forget that there's a third option; simply divorce and still not get together with Laurent. Start a new chapter of her life where she continues the exploration of her own character. She can still be a wonderful mom, be self-less and make delicious ladoos. But also take that message with her that she shouldn't be taken for granted and deserves better. It's great that the husband changed his ways, but his wife, Shashi, isn't some morals and ethics lesson for him to learn from. Shashi is his wife, his equal and romantic partner he's sharing his life with. He can change some if his perspectives and learn new things about her, but compassion and understanding are lessons for their daughter, not a grown man like him. The husband can take what he learned and hopefully treat his new wife (if he decides to remarry) better than how he treated Shashi. Not to mention the negative impact he had on their daughter's upbringing. It's very clear where she gets her views from. She's probably more blunt about it, but kids tend to be less discreet than adults in general. I feel her divorcing, or at least separating from her husband would've shown other Indian women that it's ok to put your happiness first and not get stuck in a servant-wife role your whole life. India in many ways is too stuck with the restrictive conservative view of a nuclear family and the gender roles within it. As an example, Henrik Ibsen's play "A Doll's House" is a 18th century play exactly about this.
the comment i was looking for,, i'm not the only one,,,, i was upset with the ending too as yes its okay to be with your husband but,, he never seen her, never respected,, her ending with her family gave me a feeling that insulting is okay, its okay to make your other half(wife) unhappy and degrade,, why is it okay? i wish they seperated,, this could show that women can choose their happiness.. open up a business in new york and settle there even if not with laurent.. idk why i'm sad with the ending,,, people might hate me for this but she had to bear a lot because of them,,
Achara's translation is the first time that I got to know what all Laurent actually said. 😅 I have never, till this date , even bothered about finding out what he said. 😂
@Achara, divorce is a major thing in India but most of the divorce is something considered by family and couples do go for separation as a reason to be difference in thoughts and expectations. Issue is time have changed the world but some people still consider old thought process as womens should be like this and men should earn this much... After marriage husband should earn only for wife and wife should deliver kids and if she have any health issue then most of the chances is that she can be abandoned by husband and his family ( i can say only from his family and naturally husband have to agree with his family)...unless family does make sense then divorce is something avoided because traditional we do try to fix things in relationship because people tends to change that doesn't means relationship have to go through the pain until we respect differences...
Just to correct you on the climax when her husband was looking at Sashi for not taking up english newspaper despite her now knowing the language. She decided to stick with Hindi because this is what rooted in her and this is what fascinated his husband and now he respects her even more.
Divorce is obviously an option but we try to keep up with the relationship until the very last. We take marriages very seriously. Indians too wonder how the West just break off marriages at the slightest inconvenience. It's very foreign to us.
Agree and it’s really unhealthy to break up over something like that, yes he was a ass but he loved her, he wasn’t super bad guy that he was beating her or calling her names,
Guys, can you please do a reaction for Manichitrathazhu(malayalam-thriller), Bangalore Days(Malayalam-feel good) and Veer-Zaara(Hindi-Romance)? All of them are awesome. Manichitrathazhu is the original version of Bhool Bhulaiya. :)
Sri Devi one of the greatest actor in Indian film industry. Saddens me that she is not with us anymore. May her soul rest in peace and find a good realm.
Her Mother-In-Law was also a very supportive character.
She was not the stereotypical villain as portrayed a lot in Indian television.
Exactly 💯
So true!!
Exactly
Agreed, like a real supportive mother.
She is Sulabha deshpande.. Famous Marathi theatre actress... She passed away in 2016
Not to provide subtitles for French was a brilliant move … by doing that we as audience had same perspective as Shashi as she was not able to understand what he was saying but still kinda get the point …
Nice pfp
But, as someone who understands French, I thought it was a lost opportunity to show Indian audiences how a respectful man speaks to a woman. Particularly for boys brought up on a diet of Indian films where stalking and ignoring consent is glorified, it could have been an opening up of thought horizons.
@@EagleOverTheSea Agreed.
@@EagleOverTheSea I definitely agree. I think it's time we let those toxic tropes go and highlight the healthy aspects of love and relationships and rejection in our own culture.
@@ananyaverma9599 we have different culture and we should not be ashamed of it.
I liked the fact Shashi was never really conflicted between her husband and Laurent. She was v stoic and always knew she couldn't get drawn into his words and feelings. But she recognised and appreciated his attention despite being dismissive of it. And yes like Syntel said it was nice to see how they depicted you meet people in your journey that may not necessarily become a part of your life. You meet them and get helped and touched by their actions then life moves on... Thats just how it goes sometimes. It's one of the beautiful things in life... The kindness of strangers or friends you make along the way and bond with
Well said! 💯
This is the best comment in this comment section.☺️. I've taken a screenshot of your comment..
Well done 👍
Amazed by the way you interpreted🥰
@@Sudi_34 is that a picture of anne frank?
OMG...You put it so well🙌
Shashi's line when she answered the same thing to her niece says it all about why the story didn't go Laurent route. The line was "I didn't lack love, what I lacked was respect". This is all u need to understand. All Shashi needed was affirmation and appreciation which she gained back again, with positive reinforcement from Laurent. She herself needed to believe she is that good, which became possible seeing it from his eyes. That gave her new views on her own life and made it better
Exactly 💯✅
XD you said Laurent route as if it was an Otome game XD
@@sanninlegends1843 😂
But love without respect is not love at all 🤷🏻♀️
U can respect ur principal/boss, but can u love him/her??
Similarly, u cant find anyone mostly that doesn't love his/her mother, but is that person giving the due respect? These are separate emotions and has separate importance. Don't get confused. That's why she had to specify to her niece she doesn't need any outside love which probably would be solution if ur idea of no respect = no love was used. These lines are nice to read on paper but not applicable in life. Lots of things have separate compartments in our life and we need to keep it that way.
I thought the ending was a subtle piece of brilliance - she asked for a Hindi newspaper because while she learned to speak English and loved discovering something new, she hasn't forgotten her roots or what she originally used to love as well. I think the message was that she can now understand both English and Hindi and the old - the new, all of it is now part of her life.
I am glad I am not the only one who caught that. Yesss😍😍😍
I felt the same
Achara, you articulated and summarized what the movie was trying to convey so well. It was definitely very Indian of her to stay in the marriage and deciding to work on herself (even tho she didn't really need to). I love how you have become our spokesperson, understand us and our culture sooo well and hit the nail on the head with your articulation skills.
I have been watching this channel right from its heyday, trust me when I say this, Achara has always been this perceptive. Sometimes it just surprised us how she understood references or hidden messages in a scene that could just easily escape a foreigner who is not aware of Indian Cinema, even the ones that are aware don't always get it. Also, she doesn't just throw her opinions, it's very articulate and comes from a place of respect and understanding. She's truly been the main force behind the success of Jaby's channel.
Because she is of thai origin and Understands Asian culture ..
@@jimhalpert3269 Yeah same here. I think I have been watching them since I started watching youtube itself. Achara is my fav no doubt about that I just love her.
@@Versatileabhi that is a good thing too
If in this case of Sridevi even if some women choosen/decided to go the way where she got someone who not just loved but respected her, able to see her who she really is as person, see her goodness & appreciates, admires all of it, much nicer to her than the ppl she thought as her own, despite knowing her weaknesses & lackings ready to accept her, made her feel valued, feel lived, despite not understanding words still understood her..Then that should be fine too whether as very indian thing or human thing, It shouldn't be seen smthing odd to our culture to value own happiness smtimes and rather must accept as healthy practice in culture too coz most times ppl not choose that happy ray out of burden of responsiblities, guilt forced by judgemental society & shame, disrespect, whatnot toxicity would be thrown at them just for that instead of letting things go it's way peacefully, positively without making a big deal of it. In such situations Many men can infact do choose that other way, it's not very easy for them still easier than How it's for women in our society When it shouldn't be for anyone.
Fun fact: The son and daughter of Sridevi in the film are siblings in real-life too :)
Ya her son played by that boy is very famous in Daily soaps in India
@@Azx12345 ye rishta kya kehlata hai
@@jobangharekhan2601 Naksh😂
Sometimes when you've lived a long time with someone, you end up taking their presence and love for granted. The movie amidst other things teaches us to never forget to show our compassion, appreciation, respect and love for our loved ones.
Also, people who pinpoint others flaws and weaknesses in disguise of a joke should understand that all individuals are aware of their flaws; you cannot imagine the insecurities they have; so while they are trying to live with their flaws, the least you can do is not remind them of it again and again. Compassion is the key.
Well said... Exactly what I think
Very well written @Sukumari. I slightly disagree with the last part though.
Her husband repeatedly making fun of her flaws/limitations played an important part which made her to improve herself and take those classes. So I think it is ok to joke about the (fixable)flaws of your loved ones. This will make them achieve something amazing and is for their own good only. We should just know the limits of where to stop.
Cheers 🙂.
@@jameschabbra1678 There are better ways to encourage someone to improve than to make fun of them in front of everyone and lower their self esteem even more.
@@jameschabbra1678 If you joke about your partners weaknesses in front of others - it becomes something that others can joke about as well. as a partner - there are better ways to make a person want to grow ...joking in private, suggestion of opportunities to grow etc. Take on of your insecurity and observe what you feel when your partner makes fun of it in front of others.
@@Maya_hee by joking I meant joking in private and not infront of anyone else. It is true that her husband (intentionally/unintentionally) made fun of her infront of everyone else and that's bad.
I think this movie states that only love is not enough between Husband and wife, there has to be respect as well. Sridevi knows that her husband loves her but does not respect her. This is reflected in the kids' behaviour. They must be taking cues from the father.
Last but not the least, Constant exposure to ridicule and criticism (over and covert) has led to Sridevi not respecting herself. So this movie is a journey of Sridevi proving to herself and the world that she is more than a wife, mother, homemaker and a daughter-in-law. They didn't show husband apologizing cos many men's ego wouldn't allow them to do so. Another aspect is you don't always have to say sorry in words his expression, his deeds do show it.
Isn't it pathetic, if your husband can't even say sorry... His ego seems to bigger than his respect for her.
@@goldi1018 Yes that is true. But it works both ways. I as a wife don't always say sorry. It is in the way I behave.
@@akankshapatwari4167But it should be shown through both.
@@ompatel5570 Yes. But I would rather that a husband or wife rectify their behaviour. Sometimes a person's apology is mere lip service and they go back to their old behaviour.
@@akankshapatwari4167 Your comment reminds me of my father and mother. He keeps ridiculing and disrespecting her without a reason. Always making her feel inferior to him. He is a good father but worst husband. My mother tolerates all this. I, "an obedient son" can't even stand up for her. 😢
Mainstream Hindi Cinema has always had a problem with casting Non-Indian Characters and this movie is one of the few movies that succeeded.
Queen had a good foreign cast too.
Yes
Syntell is getting better and better with Indian movies
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Syntell is the best part of the show !
@@arvindramanathan6278 i agree
Achara and Syntell, now you guys should do a watch along of Queen (2014). That is another feel good movie. You will definitely love Queen, if you loved English vinglish.
Yes!!!
Oh yes.
Yahh
Ya it also have "adhoora pyaar" :')
This is one of the best Indian movies ever made. Sridevi was one of India's best actors. Gem of an actress and gem of a movie. I loved the movie and your review and understanding of it.
Sridevi was one of the talented and respected actress in India. It saddens my heart that she is no more with us. May god bless her soul.🙏🏾
When two of intellectual person talk about a movie then many things come out which you didn't notice while watching the same movie from same culture background Thank you two such deep reaction.
Syntell is almost a philosopher! He’s the therapist we all need. And Achara is such a delight to listen to.
This movie is so important for the Indian audience across age groups because it empowers and restores the dignity of the Indian homemaker. This may be true in a lot of other Asian households as well, the homemaker is very ill treated and isn't appreciated for her work, she's doing a thankless and unpaid job, without any leaves. Hands down, this movie is a love letter to the Indian homemaker. Adding to this, it's a very personal movie to a lot of people in my circle as their moms or relatives struggled with English too. The colonial hangover in India is very real on certain occasions, and I'm happy this movie didn't make Shashi feel the need to learn English out of colonial pressure or peer pressure, but only out of need for independence. Gauri Shinde did a fabulous job with this movie. Thank you Achara and Syntell for watching this ❤️
Thanks to Achara translating the French dialogues for Syntell, I finally understand what Laurent was trying to say and it makes my personal experience of the movie so much more meaningful now. I understand it was a creative choice to not give subtitles for his dialogues to make us feel the same way Shashi feels about him, but knowing now that these were the dialogues, it feels like a gap in connecting to this movie completely has finally been closed.
Only thing that you people missed the importance of how Shashi said, "Do you have New York...sorry, do you have any Hindi newspaper?". It showed her husband and the audience in large that she still hasn't forgotten her roots. And that is the beauty of the ending
11:47 Honestly that's the point where it is *not* a feel good indie. It's realistic. The situation where she slaves away from morning to night, sacrificing her interests, hasn't been addressed or changed. She still does that, but the ending supposedly alludes that she's still going to go home with the lesson that individuality and self respect don't come over duty, except now they won't treat her like a literal slave, just make her work like one.
The scene where she rejects the newspaper really puts everything into context. It's like she's being a 'good' woman/mother/wife by giving up her silly little side pursuit.
The thing about Indian cinema and how progressive this was back in 2012 (even by hollywood's standards) is that the gener is rarely distinct and defined, and that this movie is self aware. Everything needs to have a little of something, masala movies, as you know. But to me, it was a sad reflection of the condition and value of housewives (in addition to the social divide English created). It was a silent lesson. Maybe that was the intent of the writers. Maybe it's judt patriarchy.
I understand if you guys are hesitant of being critical of Indian culture because of the culture differences and at the risk of offending your audience, but being frank and handling it sensitively will probably be better.
Actually I agree with everything you say, what a brilliant analysis! Jug jug jiyo.
Also I see that it's small changes like this in life that also needs to be celebrated. My personal experience, my mom started pursuing her career dream at 42 age. And while she is good at it now, her role in family is same, thankfully my dad wasn't like the one in movie. He supported her, he would do house chores, i shifted to other city, so they both had to manage it.
But my mom's absolute love for her kitchen is something she won't give up. Even today when I cook, she enters to add finishing touches.
It's just what she did with lot of passion all her life. So, difficult to give up.
I took the rejecting newspaper thing differently and heard many people do the think the same too...she rejected the English paper bcz she dsnt want to behave someone diff just bcz now she knows English...although I agree abt her as a housewife nthng has changed and it's just tht she is a bit more aware of herself now than she was in the past. And may be somewhat gained some confidence.
@Akashi P I agree with you completely 💯
@Akashi P "I don't need love...my family loves me a lot, they just don't respect me." ~ something along those lines. Which really hits the point. It wasn't just being taken for granted that hurt her, it was the disrespect in general. Like the opening sequence. She does all the work, makes tea (despite not drinking it), gets a newspaper she can't read, makes food she doesn't eat until she serves everyone, and doesn't even get a little time to unwind with a hot coffee. She doesn't like that. No woman likes that. When they repeat the sequence as her family arrives in New York, it was like water over the only plans she made for herself in a long time. Her relationship with her family didn't really improve. They always loved her, and her daughter especially was remoresful but that was about it. Is the dad going to get her coffee? Nope. Anything else going to change? Maybe the language bias.
They didn't address these nuances, these troubles and sacrifices which Indian housewives are expected to go through are normalized. Throughout I felt english was almost an allegory for her ambition. She was unsure at first, discouraged by her family. Then she was pushed by life to realize it. They she was pushed in the same box again.
@Akashi P There is a part up to interpretation, and then there isn't.
She believes that blindly looking after everyone with no regard for herself is her duty, as seen in the scene where she tries going to class but her son gets hurt instead. Independent of the story, that is classic husband blame reassignment behaviour.
Anything happens to the kid and mom's not there, where was she? it's her fault.
If anything happens to the kid and mom was right there, what was she doing? it's her fault.
(and this is not exclusive to India.)
Then, I stress again, is the montage of the morning routine. If you don't feel an ounce of sympathy for it, then you haven't been in that position or observed someone there closely. No one likes it. As you speak of your mom, I don't think that doing the dishes is her passion and lifetime goal. She just does it because she's taught that's what good housewives do, like my mom too.
The last part is exactly my orignal point.
It's not a feel-good story. It's a feel-bad story. (well not exactly. More like a mix of both). Even though Shashi stumbled to some untrodden dirt road of an adventure, she ends where she was, thouh looking at things with a new perspective.
As she says to Laurent finally, her position hasn't really changed, how she views herself has changed.
The silent themes scream if you look for them. Her path hasn't changed. The journey and destination are the same. That's the grim part, and then there is the consolation of resignment and acceptance too.
Welcome to my long a** comment 😂
Many people, especially youngsters, who watched this movie still don't like the ending of this story, without Shashi and Laurent united. But I personally feel that would have been a very unrealistic character development for Shashi. She was so selfless that she didn't even know she was a small entrepreneur for "just making and selling laddoos". If this was some fairy-tale movie, then 4-weeks of English classes in a foreign country would have transformed her into a rebellious woman - she would have left her husband (whom she loved and respected, despite him treating her awfully) and go off to live with a guy whom she knows only for 4 weeks (and he belongs to an entirely different culture). But, it's not a fairy tale - it's a story based on Indian beliefs and culture.
Achara, you were very articulate about your view on Shashi's decision to stay in her marriage. I also loved Syntell's take on it and also, specially for talking about the small important scene with Amitabh Bachchan.
I love your comment. I totally agree with you.
@@preety8309 thank u so much 😄
yeah you wouldn't leave your long term husband over someone who you know for a few week even by western standards it would be a weird way to end a movie
I mean I don't like that she stayed in that relationship because it's not a good one for her. And realistically speaking the chances of the guy actually changing his mind is small. But at the same time when I watched the movie it makes a lot more sense for her character to stay in that relationship regardless of that. Even if her husband continued to treat her badly she would stayed.
It's was a good choice as a movie showing a character like hers. But that doesn't mean it's a good choice to make in real life. Or even that the only choice she could make is between the both of them. It's not like she can't divorce her husband and also not immediately go with Laurent. But her character wouldn't do that.
@Potassium Syndicate family isn't also a prison, u can leave when it treats u badly. Clinging on to it even when the family doesn't treat you with love or respect is disrespectful to the self.
Thank you for the French meaning!!! 🙏🏻 I have watched it like 1000 times.. but for the 1st time I understood the meaning of what Lauren said.. !!
There's another movie of Sridevi Ji, "Mom", its a pure thriller, you guys should react to it..
Please reation please
Yes plsssss its reqlly gudd
No. Watch Sadma
@@neelamsourav4717 every movie of sridevi she is fantastic u cant get over her with a few movies watch all
@@neelamsourav4717 yes this. Sadma is wayyyyyy better, rather one of the GOAT movies coming outta India.
This movie really brought out the "motivational guru" sides of Syntel and Achara.
The English class reminded of achara would know it - mind your language the British show. We also have had Indian version of it called zabaan sambhal ke.
Shahid Kapoor's dad plays the character of the teacher.
I still watch it, sometimes
Yeah 👍 I was thinking the same. I love him man🥺 .. I miss him ( teacher from mind your language)
You should watch 'Queen', the only movie in which I, a huge fan of Rajkumar Rao hate his character. Such a good actor he is.
i watched this movie when I was a teen and since then I payed extra attention to how i talk to my mother, because i understood that she was doing her best and she has feelings too so I should always try to appreciate that and if something like happens where my parents can't understand something in English, then that's okay, I can always explain it gently and be nice with it, especially that my parents didn't learn English and didn't have to since my country doesn't use English much.
SO, i think this movie has lots of beautiful messages so we need to learn from it and appreciate it.
One of the reviews I’ve seen for this movie, it’s so wholesome how you guys connected with the character and felt how she would actually feel. Much love to you guys!! ❤
I really want you guys to do a watch along of Dil Dhadakne Do. It's a brilliant and underappreciated movie. Falls under family drama.
RIGHT!! One of my favourite movies!! Would want Syntell and Achara to react to it if possible :)
You guys should do a reaction on queen movie it's another masterpiece 🔥🔥
I was about to say the same.
Yes
Yes please
yupp😊
Omg...yess
English Vinglish is one of the best movies 😍 Sridevi ji gave an amazing performance!! Also the movie has such an amazing message for the greater mass.. Feels happy how Achara understands and convyes some parts. Thank you Achara for reacting to this movie!
You know why I love and admire Achara, it's not even about the east and the west. Achara just understands the Indian fabric of emotions effortlessly. Everybody has their own share of struggles in life, but in the end, it's not about you, or your giving back, but it's all about being able to bring about a realization, without losing your own resilience and dignity
I LOVE Syntell's views!!! Achara, of course is a pro on the channel :) but Syntell's inputs are so appreciated here especially the metaphor of plane ride as Life. Brilliant perspective!! I also loved how he saw the movie for what it is and allowed it to open him to another context rather than comparing it to an American movie and trying to fit it in a western mould. Loved this reaction. 👏
The review part was well done....really enjoyed the watch along
Loved the discussion and also the comments. Read many people's view point in the comments and they were really good. This movie kinda makes me feel a little guilty as I was almost like the daughter in the movie when I was in school. My mom doens't speak English and all my classmates had thier parents all high class speaking English and working. My mom is a housewife and I used to be embarassed. Now I feel so ashamed that I ever thought like that cuz now I realise that it's nothing to be embarassed about. My mom wasn't able to get English education during her time and that's not her fault. Many parents or even Kids don't know English in other countries where the mother tongue is not English. I'm glad I've learnt my lesson.
The conversations are lovely. Please do more reviews together. You both are really empathetic 🥺❤
This is a warm and wholesome movie.
Syntell when you spoke about button analogy and abundance!!! Even I got chills. What you meant. Enjoy your journey. 👍👍👍👍
Thanks!
I love this duo review. Thankfully no jaby here... sometimes movies should be watched just to enjoy and relax not to look at it every frame by frame and camera angles and give your viewer anxiety attack!!!
So true. I thnk Achara understands indian films better than Jaby as she being Asian herself and living in Thailand most of her life.
@jake dawson true to some extent but it does get very monotonous when movies are watched so skeptically. Some movies are supposed to make you feel good and a escape from reality. It doesn't deserved to be scrutinised under a microscope in every shot like this movie
@jake dawson bro i agree what you are saying. some people may find it intresting even i also BUT NOT ALWAYS. it sometimes becomes boring and monotonous specially in these kind of movies. i would suggest him either do a seperate segement altogether or atleast provide time stamp so people who are not intrested on "technical" part of the movie can skip the part
Achara as you likes indie movies about family and friends then you guys should definitely react to New York starring Katrina, John and Neil. Its a story about 3 friends and how their life takes a turn after 9/11. Its a very underrated movie.
One of my favorites movies! Love it
You too have analysed the movie so well.... unbelievable!
Despite the cultural differences, the human emotions conveys the story.
Not me falling in love with Achara all over again because she knows French 😭 she’s my favourite one on the channel!!!❤️🩹😍
This was the last movie I watched starring Sridevi before she passed away. Excellent movie!
You didn't watch Mom?
@@saifmehdi178 no. It's on my watchlist since it was out on netflix but haven't watched yet.
Achara and Syntell are amazing audience. Esp the way Achara connects with movie is awesome. I think she understands our movies way way better than what many Indians even understand. Thank you so much for expressing your thoughts. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Glad that you guys have started more of review of movie.
I have been watching jaby from way back when he hardly had idea of bollywood. Its great to see the transformation
Everytime i watch review i so wish to be there to explain the background of the story which is either connected with indian culture or indian type of jokes or sarcasm which sometimes they miss it.
Please give a movie reaction of horror comedy film'bhool bhulayiya'starring Akshay Kumar and Vidya balan ☺️
If I was that kid who pranked her & spilled all the ladoos. I am definitely getting a good solid beating from chappals & jaadu.
These two are really my two favorite pals on the internet. Loved the discussion, as always!
React to kangana ranaut "queen" 🙌it's quite similar to this
React on " YEH JAWANI HAI DEEWANI "
Achara and Syntell
You both are awesome Too.
Love you guys
Keep spreading love♥️♥️♥️
2:08 I think they didn't just "manage" to get perfect Indian clothes for their characters. Almost all Hollywood studios don't care if they're reinforcing stereotypes by not knowing abt the culture they're representing on screen b'coz they want to please the audience's ignorance.
Sri Devi Mam❤️Beauty and talent combined... irreplaceable..
A legend in the sky shining brightly 🙏 Sridevi ❤️
*ACHARA IS SO GOOD INTERPRETING INDIAN VALUES AND CULTURE*
When Achara said "unless its my family", it hit me straight. I relate so much to you Achara! ❤☹️
Uuh I thought she said it from Sashi's perspective...
She spoke on behalf of Shashi, not about her own family.
Achara definitely met her Mom right after this.
Grt reaction! Achara & Syntell you guys should do Kangana Queen movie watch along too.
One of the best movies made by Bollywood! ❤️
Plz do a reaction on queen! A masterpiece indeed!
Thank you so much guys for your reactions and review. Can’t wait to see more movie reactions from both of you ❤️
Really enjoyed you’ll enjoying a Hindi movie and your point of view. And the fact that you could relate to it all. Nice.
you guys did the best analogy of the movie! perfect
Top two of my most favourite you tubers Achara and Syntell ...I feel like you both are my friends never met or communicated
Achara has a beautiful way of putting her thoughts into words ... It is always amazing to listen to her articulate
Please do a reaction to the movie "Queen".
Thanks Achara for French translation....😊😊😊😊😊
LOOOOOOOOOVE YOUR CONVERSATION 😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘
its soo wonderful you could pick all the nuances so well
U BOTH ARE OFFICIALLY A CITIZEN OF BHARATH
Like a glass of cold water in this scorching Indian heat wave….! That’s what your reaction to English vinglish did to me…
And guess what. I was watching this video before entering the theatre to watch heropanti (don't judge please, my boyfriend is a tiger fan so i had to) and after watching the film i wanna say - if achara syntel reviews are like glass of cold water in scorching heat then heropanti is like the throat infection u have after a quick gulping of ice cold water.
i fall in love with achara by watching her reaction she understands everything very well❤️❤️🙏🏻lots of love from india 🇮🇳🇮🇳
Synthell's interest towards indian content has increased and it makes me so happy that he understands almost everything like Achara does❤️
I wonder if you recognised sumeet vyas as salman
Of course she did. I mean how could she not. She even met him while Jaby and Achara were in India.
No she didn't
If she would have chosen the preeti thing / the French guy , it would disregard her effort of learning, the strength she had to do what she did . Here in India the movie would not have served purpose or the moral of the story .
Point should be noted 👍
Queen next🙌
Yessss
Yess we need queen reaction
She should've ended up with Laurent. But she thinks of her children and family first and would've never gotten a divorce because of that.
Achara explained well about marriage system and family bonding in the movie
And I hope we will see more reaction with three of you jaby with movie knowledge and you two with deep understanding
Syntell you should watch Queen & Yeh Jawaani Hai Deewani next, please.
I haven't seen the movie, but from what I've heard, I would like another ending where Shashi ended up with Laurent. But I think that people also forget that there's a third option; simply divorce and still not get together with Laurent. Start a new chapter of her life where she continues the exploration of her own character. She can still be a wonderful mom, be self-less and make delicious ladoos. But also take that message with her that she shouldn't be taken for granted and deserves better.
It's great that the husband changed his ways, but his wife, Shashi, isn't some morals and ethics lesson for him to learn from. Shashi is his wife, his equal and romantic partner he's sharing his life with. He can change some if his perspectives and learn new things about her, but compassion and understanding are lessons for their daughter, not a grown man like him. The husband can take what he learned and hopefully treat his new wife (if he decides to remarry) better than how he treated Shashi.
Not to mention the negative impact he had on their daughter's upbringing. It's very clear where she gets her views from. She's probably more blunt about it, but kids tend to be less discreet than adults in general.
I feel her divorcing, or at least separating from her husband would've shown other Indian women that it's ok to put your happiness first and not get stuck in a servant-wife role your whole life. India in many ways is too stuck with the restrictive conservative view of a nuclear family and the gender roles within it. As an example, Henrik Ibsen's play "A Doll's House" is a 18th century play exactly about this.
the comment i was looking for,, i'm not the only one,,,, i was upset with the ending too as yes its okay to be with your husband but,, he never seen her, never respected,, her ending with her family gave me a feeling that insulting is okay, its okay to make your other half(wife) unhappy and degrade,, why is it okay? i wish they seperated,, this could show that women can choose their happiness.. open up a business in new york and settle there even if not with laurent.. idk why i'm sad with the ending,,, people might hate me for this but she had to bear a lot because of them,,
RIP 🪦 Sreedevi, you were a goddess ♥️
Achara's translation is the first time that I got to know what all Laurent actually said. 😅 I have never, till this date , even bothered about finding out what he said. 😂
*Achara is so sweet I just love her.* Also the wisdom given by Syntell was very motivating. 😍
Yaaay finally the final part 😊
For your information the guy who played Laurent has also worked with Leonardo DiCaprio in the movie called "Body of Lies".😊
@Achara, divorce is a major thing in India but most of the divorce is something considered by family and couples do go for separation as a reason to be difference in thoughts and expectations. Issue is time have changed the world but some people still consider old thought process as womens should be like this and men should earn this much... After marriage husband should earn only for wife and wife should deliver kids and if she have any health issue then most of the chances is that she can be abandoned by husband and his family ( i can say only from his family and naturally husband have to agree with his family)...unless family does make sense then divorce is something avoided because traditional we do try to fix things in relationship because people tends to change that doesn't means relationship have to go through the pain until we respect differences...
Just to correct you on the climax when her husband was looking at Sashi for not taking up english newspaper despite her now knowing the language. She decided to stick with Hindi because this is what rooted in her and this is what fascinated his husband and now he respects her even more.
She portrayed how a traditional Indian wife is . That's how they exactly make their choices.
please chhichhore by shushant singh please
I needed this movie review today! Thank You ❤
I was searching everywhere what Lauren was saying but thank u achara for d translation 😘
thank you for translating lines of Laurent, I really wanted to know what he said all these years
Divorce is obviously an option but we try to keep up with the relationship until the very last. We take marriages very seriously. Indians too wonder how the West just break off marriages at the slightest inconvenience. It's very foreign to us.
Agree and it’s really unhealthy to break up over something like that, yes he was a ass but he loved her, he wasn’t super bad guy that he was beating her or calling her names,
Acahara and syntell you both should check out QUEEN next
Guys, can you please do a reaction for Manichitrathazhu(malayalam-thriller), Bangalore Days(Malayalam-feel good) and Veer-Zaara(Hindi-Romance)? All of them are awesome. Manichitrathazhu is the original version of Bhool Bhulaiya. :)
Sri Devi one of the greatest actor in Indian film industry. Saddens me that she is not with us anymore. May her soul rest in peace and find a good realm.
That "hahaha"by Syntell followed by the screen bang 😄😄😄
Achara never cease to impress with her Indian-ness.
Love Syntell pulls out philosophical/ metaphorical angles out of scenes, not even sure if the writers even thought that in first place.
You must definitely watch "Jhimma". A tale of some ladies in a foreign land, each with a story of their own. Worth watching.
Thank You, for doing this reaction!!
A lot!
Thanks Achara for translating the french dialogues.