The Japanese Electric Sports Car You’ve Never Heard Of
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- Elliot is in Japan to visit FOMM, makers of some weird and wonderful electric kei cars. With microcars surging in popularity, could the legacy car makers learn a thing or two from these unusual contraptions?
00:00 Intro
1:17 FOMM Concept One
2:21 FOMM One
6:48 FOMM Sports Concept
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The sports one looks like an adult version of the kids driveable cars lol
one that could be found at amusement parks and not really being used on the roads? I was thinking that too.
Probably find a dealership at your local retirement community... it's just a golf cart on steroids...
@@ryshellso526 I wonder how many of the retired people there would find the pedal arrangement confusing? it seems like an odd way of doing it. why not use the traditional method?
I see an Athon for kids 😅
Elliot, now that you're a big time reviewer, you need to get up to speed on your automotive door design lingo. Gullwing doors can be found on the Bricklin and Delorean. I think what you got there are "scissor doors".
The sports concept really brings back the vibe of older sports Kei cars like the Honda Beat and Autozam AZ1.
This two cars will be the perfect candidates to be converted into EV's.
Not with a 12KwH battery it doesn't.
@@ellaevansbolt Actually that makes it even better given how they had 6 and 7 gallon fuel tanks respectively, and would get over 60MPG because of how small and light they were. Sounds like you're an American overestimating just how small these cars and Japanese roads are, and how short of distances they need to travel.
@@ashton9699 I'm from the UK and well aware of the K-Cars in Japan. I used to run the small Suzuki vans in my business.
The Beat might get beat, but there's no way that car would out run the A Z1.
And who buys a sports car to travel the short distances that the city cars do? They make some sense, although not the production versions controls. Being a biker, I like the priginal concept better.
Honda S660 just went out of production.... sadly wasn't sold in America.
Major issue with hand controls is that it is hard to isolate steering movements from throttle moments. Bikes don't have this issue because on the open road the movement of the bars is tiny, it's more pressure than movement. I see tears and bumps ahead.
Not really, shouldn't be an issue, reminds me Z Sprayer fert machine controls, humans superpower is that we can adapt to just about anything.
7:30 Someone sit this man down and explain to him what a gull is.
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I drove the Fomm 1 at the Bangkok motor show in 2019. It sells for $14,000 here in Thailand where it's manufactured. Sales were originally quite strong but newer entry of "proper" cars like the Neta V for the same price in the EV market have reduced sales to a trickle which is a shame.
Because it is way overpriced for what it is....it is made in Thailand...shouldn't have been over 200 k thb....the MG ZS EV killed it: double.the price but a real and proper family car, not a glorified golf car
And if you remember, it had started at 699,000thb at launch time, which was abt 21k usd at the time in 2018!!! Madness
Thankyou for saying rural runaround! People are obsessed with 'city cars' being a thing you can only drive in the city, as if that's a thing. It's like thinking a mountain bike only works on mountains, and you're wasting your time having one if you don't live near Pen Y Fan or north of it.
I disagree. I think the logical consensus is that if you live more than 5 miles from the city, driving less than 40mph exclusively can be a drag. Plus if you also have more issues with weather where the cities get treated. Because of that the weather means nothing in the city, but it's a huge deal in the rural areas.
@@Skylancer727 No idea what you're talking about. What's driving 40mph got to do with city cars? My point was that so called 'city cars' are just cars, so I was happy to hear someone talk about them without being completely disparaging and failing to understand their capabilities. My Smart car was a 'city car' and I drove it on highways at the speed limit all the time with no problems whatsoever.
The two sentences about the weather - I've literally no idea what your saying there. I can't make head nor tail of the English I'm afraid.
@jonevansauthor many city cars have restricted speed limits on them. The usual is that they rarely pass 40-50mph. There's even a full classification for such vehicles in law that makes them have less restrictions on features and safety functions. The Smart Car is kinda an exception to the rules for speeds. Most are not that fast both because of the lack of stability and because crash testing is based on the average car size, it makes it far harder to pass for smaller vehicles, even if the average should be smaller.
The point about the weather is about snow. Obviously a Smart Car or general city car is terrible in the snow. If you live in the city they'll salt and plow the roads for you. The same is true for ice. Plus in the rural areas you're more likely to deal with less treated and more worn roads in general. This is why rural people tend to buy bigger cars. They think it will make their commutes better, even if it's kinda just screwy marketing.
@@Skylancer727 do you mean quadricycles? Like the Citroen Ami? Which is NOT a car of any kind? The Smart car is just a car, as are many similar vehicles. You're confusing size with the type of vehicle. So no, city cars are not things like the Citroen Ami, because that's a quadricycle, which is more akin to a four wheeled moped. A moped is not a motorbike. An electric bike is not the same as a bicycle, an electric skateboard is not the same as a skateboard, and a city car is not the same as a quadricycle. Trainers aren't the same as ballet shoes. Boots aren't the same as Wellington boots. Tap shoes aren't the same as ballet shoes. So called 'city cars' are just small cars. They're perfectly fine going anywhere you want that's within the capabilities of any other perfectly normal car. If you think they can't, you've fallen for propaganda from ignorant journalists who think that self balancing 2 wheeled boards are hoverboards.
Never had a problem with my Smart Car in the snow, except the first time I'd driven in snow, where I learned why they tell you to slow down if it's icy but it handled it like a champ. That wasn't anything to do with the car though. Literally no idea what you're talking about that they can't handle weather.
@jonevansauthor I'm talking about the category of city car. It's an actual category of vehicles, not the subcategory. There's even a definition of low speed vehicles that gets it's own definition. In general it's agreed these cars are mostly unfit for the rural lifestyle due to reduced range of travel, less comfortable rides, and worse handling of weather and terrain. Like I said, many say the same thing about some smaller cars like the mini cooper or Chevy Spark, but that is more unwarranted. It may not be as well suited but it is acceptable.
Still many of these still have heavily reduced range and rural life usually required longer commutes and longer trips for general resources. That's why something like a Chevy Spark with only 200 miles of fuel is seen as finicky and a Smart Car with only 58 miles is barely enough even for most people's daily commutes.
Give me back my accelerator pedal is something I never thought I'd have to say
For an ergonomic standpoint, accelerating with your fingers is not a goog idea, you are putting a unnecessary strain and repetitive movements on your fingers, in a vehicle that can have pedals. The reason bikes don't have pedals is because it's harder to use them while riding or taking off because you need your foot on the ground when stopped. Using this on the car makes no sense, even more when the brakes are still a pedal.
The throttle on a bike is controlled by the wrist, not the fingers and it still gets tiring after a while - I would expect using your fingers would be much worse. Which is a shame because otherwise there's a lot to like here.
The one thing I hate about Chinese electric bikes. They have a thumb push accelerator like an ATV...
You will all be using an Xbox controller to drive soon anyway and accelerating will be a button press.😛
For me as a non-driver that will be far preferable to controls at your feet.
I like the idea of multiple batteries. Just use 1 day to day and use the others to run the house, then add them for a long trip.
The Concept One looks amazing. In-wheel motor hubs seem like a good solution for northern runabouts as you could have all-wheel drive on snow and ice.
There's a reason why we put the acceleration pedal on our feet.
And that is?
@@user-yn5sk5ru5gI guess it's because your hands are already busy with turning the wheel, radio, climate, turning signals, etc, while your feet only have that job
I prefer the look of the first one by far, I think.
It's like an electric version of the Smart Fortwo and Roadster.
Ooh, the Sports Concept looks like fun, and I think the controls are a great idea. Good to hear Elliot note that 'city' cars are just as useful in rural areas. We live in the Lake District National Park and a small run-around is ideal for the narrow little lanes (with poorly parked tourist cars).
I think the throttle system seems like a pretty poor idea. Think of it this way, the throttle will now move with the wheel so you can't just let go to spin the wheel in a turn.
Nothing beats Japan for true original innovation and smart packaging ideas.🎌
Cars like this as in-city car sharing would be amazing.
The interiors would need to be hosed out between customers.
I love the in and out wheels
In a world that keeps 'flooding' floating cars seem like a good idea...perhaps we should think about floating houses as well
That concept car is SO CUTE
I want it!
Love the innovation. Thanks for making this video.
Do you know if FOMM designed and developed their own in-hub motors, or are they mass produced somewhere else ?
I always wanted to convert an old Lotus Europa to an EV. I think it could be done with in-hub motors. The Europas are so tiny, lol.
Thanks again for the great video.
cool concepts and cars. I like the sliding doors and the motorbike wheel. a car like this in big cities would be quite useful! Thanks for sharing!
Id love driving around a city in this. Dont think the gullwing doors are great though, they stick out as much as normal doors. The sliding door on the concept is perfect
The sport also doesn't have a real windshield. It only seems to have a plastic piece up to neck level.
The one pedal in the FOMM One is pretty cool. It's an anti-theft mechanisim since if someone tried to steal it, they would probably assume its the accelerator and not the brake and not work out how to start the car.
Great idea with the accelerator ,now if they put the brake on the steering wheel as well ,it would be great for us paraplegics as we could just drive all cars then instead of only ones with hand controls fitted
Downside is the fact you can't let go of the wheel to adjust in a turn. Would suck for going from a light to make a turn.
Such a great idea! These would make the perfect getaway vehicle after a bank robbery. You could drive to the nearest body of water, cross it, and escape the authorities. BRILLIANT!!!😂
Can’t wait to buy something like that Sports Concept in the UK one day! 🤞
Wow , I was thinking about this type of electric cars if it's possible to make or not, these cars looking amazing.
Thank you
Hey Elliot. Love your work 👍
This is the perfect franchise business model in my mind, just sell it as this and leave an open Forum to show off any new ideas, so long as the supply chain can cope! and that would be FOMM's responcibily. Sourcing locally would be prefered, but perhaps only on the body sheel and chasis the rest comes from FOMM. This would help allow a cottage industry to open up in each counrty.
Thanks. Great little units. Jim Bell (Australia)
Nice and simple.
Well dont they look like fun?! Your closing remarks were spot on too. Thanks Elliot i always enjoy your reports on the quirky ideas coming from your neck of the woods. Only thing i wonder about is how you make a smooth deceleration while cornering...🤔
Wasn't expecting that conclusion but it makes a lot of sense...
Wonderfully barmy... great design ideas... I can see why Elliot loves it.
A timely publication with all the crazy rain and floods we've been getting!
One, great video! Two, I want that sport concept!
its great that the batteries are swappable but there is also 4 of them which is kind of a double trip if you need to carry them upstairs. ok, i guess if it works with different state of charge in each battery, most people would just carry 2 of them, charge and do the other 2 next time. but hey, given that most cars require the cable to get to them, they might be onto something for people who need a car to get to work with but can't have a charger installed. maybe if they leased them with the option of having x days of renting a full sized car included?
Better a double trip than a trip to the hospital with a back injury.
It would be cool if you could make the paddles control each side individually. Basically, making it a torque vectoring system. So if you go into a right hand curve, just give the left side a little more throttle and vice versa. It would also help with its handling on the water. That would be pretty cool.
Thanks
"Tackling misinformation about electric vehicles"
They are scissor doors, not gull-wing doors.
No worries; happy to help. 😉
Lamborghini doors.
The Yoke Fomm Yokohama was right there, man.
This is the direction I am going to with my work. I hope that you guys hear about us soon.
Will your cars have a usable top speed or also limited to the same top speed as a fast human running?
if you talk about the joking 30km/h, then no. The goal is to aim a max. speed of 50km/h and 60km/h for short period of time.
@@burgersnchips
This car 🚗 is a beautiful but the car tire rims is even more beautiful. 😍
How do we get these in Australian?
2:33 - Is it terrible that I was instantly reminded of videos from Fukushima?
Pretty cool stuff here. One thing I do not at all is the paddle acceleration, that's got to go. The sports car looks like "Honey, I shrunk the Miata"
The Sports Concept looks like a Fisher Price - My First iPace convertible.
That paddle accelerator is a genius way to force people to keep their hands on the steering wheel... until folks whip out the 3D printer
Fun video, Great work to the team who worked on this car, the legacy automakers must be a little worried with everyone having a go at EVs
Can the last one floats on water too?
Elliot, can you do a full review of the baojun Cloud?
I love the sports car. It reminds me of one of the mini cars.
Buy mini. Cooper
The sport version is what we’re all waiting for a small lightweight sporty commuting vehicle. Something to make commuting something to look forward to .
Don't hub motors increase the unsprung weight quite a bit?
30mph max speed is useless in the UK though, we need this type of car to be available worldwide but it needs to be safe to use on the current roads.
Fast enough for Wales!
@@hamshackleton walking is fast enough for Wales. They don't want you to own your own vehicle there so making it pointless to bother.
Living inner city - this sort of transport is a viable option. Average speeds in Central London, for instance, are as low as 9mph during commuting time.
That is more than enough speed...
Safe for who?
@@snowstrobe safe for the driver on a national speed limit road with everyone tailgating trying to do 60? Driving slow is dangerous sometimes.
Living in a coastal community where flooding is a real concern, I was curious: If the car is already in say, 2 feet of water, would you be able to open the door and get in to move the car or would opening the door just flood the interior and cause the car to sink? Would you have to just wait and hope you could still find where your car floated off to after a major flood event?
You raise a very interesting question. I assume parking during a flood event may even be classed as mooring and no doubt a local council would try and enforce it
Many people don't live in houses and cable charging at home is not available. Public charging is too expensive. Removable batteries to charge at home is somеwhat a good idea, although batteries are heavy. I believe some compromise and solution can be found for small cars, like the battery splitting in the video
It will be simple enough to design a wheeled carrier for the battery pack, wheel one out and the charged one in.
It's got 12kWh total, spread over 4x batteries... so 3kWh each. at 250Wh / kg, that makes each removable battery ~12kg, which is pretty easily manageable for most people.
I’ve just attended the Everything Electric show in London and am so disappointed to be living in a country where nothing like this, except the Microlino and the MEV were on show and no cars like this are likely to be around in my lifetime. I went in my electric wheelchair and realised that, without a ramp or a lift, on my own I could not get it into any of the cars on display because, despite being enormous, they have impossibly high boot sills. All of them have removable floors giving more storage behind the sill so why couldn’t the sills be lower? Is it to do with structural strength? And even if I were to try and import something like the Nissan Sakura, Mitsubishi EK, Honda N-Van EV, Daihatsu Hijet or Suzuki Stacia, Kia Ray or Hyundai Casper, I would not be able to afford to insure it. Oh well, I’m stuck with my 20-year-old old Toyota Yaris Verso until it crumbles to dust. Maybe by then, something suitable and electric will be available here.
Great video. Will they be in the next 007 movie? Innovative, practical, fun, carbon fiber panels are not cheap. Any range and price information? Or are these concept design opportunities?
Goid way sell evs
If I search for the fomm sports concept I see videos from five years ago.
Cool
I feel like they should impliment one pedal driving and then only have one pedal that way. If the car ends up with the same standard used by the EV scooters used in Taiwan it will work. Its charging is pretty good actually, but it is a small battery.
Riversimple this is what you could have done.. in wheel motors and battery swapping!
I like the fast one.
Getting electric Honda S660 vibes from the FOMM Sports Concept.
Buy Honda s660 eltrjc csr
Why be aquatic if your speed is half walking speed?
I hate having controls on my steering wheel because I always accidentally press them.
Putting throttle on the yoke raises issues.
Not to mention how am I supposed to confidently drive with one hand while doing X with my other?
the driving situation of the prototype is what they should have stuck with
So, Tsunami inspired design? Cool little sports car though. I wouldn't buy one but definitely rent on holiday somewhere where the roads are narrow.
I love it, Practicality
Interesting
How reliable are these vehicles can they last 100,000 mi without huge maintenance?
Groovy Baby!
Nice concept cars...Still wish for more manufacturers to make practical estate/Station wagon cars to rival MG with more luxury touches...I'd convert in a heartbeat
Yees
Nice Elliot. 😂
I like it, just 1 thing: the "F" logo.. needs a big change.
Yes, love them , I want.
560 newton meters of torque?!
Interesting,these should be light and efficient but squeeze me,baking soda did you say the Fomm 1 has 560nm from 2 hub motors?
Sports concept is a Honda S660 EV lookalike.Kei cars are what we need for cities.
The battery swapping needs infrastructure but not as much as charging network.
Could work for Japan but globally we need catchup.
I must have missed some information, but are they not street legal or why could they not be driven in real traffic?
Shoot, horrendous looking plastic boxes.
Japan: we believe concept cars will bring us profit. And hydrogen as well as gasoline cars.
The battery swapping is great if your battery degrades
I am guessing these designers were inspired by the terrible tsunami that recently struck Japan... but also the inner child.
Yeah... it's a car that floats...😂😂😂
Thanks for the video. - This vehicles up to 60km/h are actually a useful category, but are they safe? - Maybe there is much more need for small "real" cars up to 3.2m length and 130km/h speed, but with high level of safety. This can be achieved by a stable passenger cabin and up to 7 airbags. The proven Smart 2-seater and the proven Toyota IQ 2+2-seater already have it and wait for further improvements. With 4 efficient wheel motors, more ground clearance and wheelbase, trailer hitch, solar roof, power station function and more. Developed with "safety first" and resulting in aerodynamic eye-catchers for 2, 3 and 4 (small) persons plus baby-seat, with ideal driving characteristics on all terrains. - This is what I teach the world.
Dystopian that this company sees a future market for flood resistant cars...
Hate that cars that small will never be sold in America. When I move to Sweden in a few years I plan on importing a Honda S660 convertible from Japan
Not an in-wheel motor, but hub motor.
They should have joystick controls like a power wheelchair
I get that it's waterproof but does it at least have a rag top?
In wheel motors 🤙
Fomm obviously doesn't want to sell these things by using such stupid controls that it drives away customers. Even the prototype had a better idea than what they eventually put in the production car. The batteries are a decent idea but I could see the externals one being stolen when they're only protected by that flimsy looking lock.
I too find it odd that they use one pedal for brakes but use paddles for acceleration and deceleration.
They remind me electric toy cars for grownups 😂😂. If they cost less than 10.000 euros I might consider.
Therev ppl Katy bdrr $10000
Too bad you can't get these here in Canada because they would be great for driving in any of our big cities... And rural areas... Except maybe in Winter but whatever. I own a Smart Fortwo and drive it in the snow so it's definitely possible...
I would only get one if it was decked out like Pikachu
2:03 That's Vietnam not Thailand...
interesting. however, can I ask what the plastic was derived from?
Only heard carbon-fiber mentioned. If there are 'plastics', then they may be petro-chemical products, but they also may not be, because plastics are also produced from renewable products such as cotton and corn. Assuming petro-chemical, the production of an EV consumer durable from PCs nevertheless significantly reduces the footprint over an ICE car which uses plastics in production and additional PCs to make it move. Regardless then, a step in the right direction.
I think you got me wrong!I am all for EV I have a hybrid, largely due to the Fully Charged series, and a Powerwall... My point however is oil is still required for a few years yet...@@luzr6613
I think the smart car one could be adapted for wheelchair drivers too, that's fantastic!
Buy smart cat😅
I don't like the separate accelerate/brake setup.. I'd rather they were either both on the floor or both on the yoke.