I think one key takeaway of Jaani's videos is there shouldn't be micromanagement, or a focus on minutia, during the throw. He's not against drills, training, or practice. There are fundamentals to be taught, corrections made along the way, and refinements over time as the learning process occurs. I think another key takeaway is that you don't have to teach every aspect or nuance of the throw, only the bigger points, and focus on getting the basics down. And for each individual, fix specific errors to them, and let them build on their correct form - which may be uniquely different from others, yet right for them.
Trying to focus on every little detail of my throw destroyed all of the joy this sport once brought me. I was the type that watched every single tutorial on TH-cam about backhand form. Did almost daily practice trying to drill all of the information into my head. Thank you for this video. I like the way you think. And I think I may go play tomorrow!
In a podcast about powerlifting I listen to they recently talked about internal vs external focus. They explained the concept as if you're trying to draw a straight line, if you focus on your hand the entire time the line will probably come out quite squiggly but if you focus on the point where the line ends it will be pretty straight. In powerlifting this means that you will be more effective if you focus on moving the barbell than if you focus on what muscles to flex. I know that they mentioned studies on other sports as well and one of them was dart, of course external focus was much better in dart as well. In disc golf, people seem to be very good at using an external focus when they putt but when it comes to the backhand throw many seem to get stuck on more internal cues. Maybe because it's a complex movement and a lot of things happen at once so we think that we have to control everything?
I wish I could Thumbs up 70x on this video. Thank you so much for taking the "thinking" part out of all this process!!....now maybe I can have fun instead of trying so hard to get better....going to watch this video every day!! TY!!!
See, you absolutely have a point. As a dance teacher I see new and intermediate students overthink movement all the time, but this begs the question: If the body knows what to do, why do we still need to practice?
We need to practice, for sure. Just like we all have practiced to walk, we just don't remember it. But once we know how to walk, there is no need to try an time our ankle, our knee, hipflexors and weight shift to take the next step. As a dance teacher you probably also have tried to tell the students to relax and let go, to stop being so tense, am I right?
@@dgspindoctor You are right, I have told students to do that. Often times it is a lot better to just show and not tell, then let them try in their own way instead of explaining details of how I move my body on what count in the music etc. I guess that applies to this topic :) But yes, practice is still very much needed.
@@wurree While I think I know what it means that "the body knows what to do" it can become a difficult concept to get across if you nitpick it. Of course the body doesnt know how to play disc golf (or dance) so we still have to teach it. To me, it simply means that you don't need to micro manage every part of the movement, if you focus on a few key parts of it the body will fill in the blanks if you relax and let it react naturally to the position you put it in. As a beginner it can be very difficult to understand what parts to focus on, and that's where a good coach can be very helpful. Different movements might also come naturally to different people so two people might need slightly different cues and that's why we have all these gurus online that argue over how to best convey the same thing. At least that's my take on it but feel free to disagree. :) Edit: I should make it clear that I am completely new to disc golf but I have some experience both coaching and being coached in other sports.
Yes, this exactly. One has to practice, of course. Train the tecgnique so much that it's not an obstacle anymore and you can stop focusing on it. This, I think, is forgotten in TH-cam coaching, partly because most of the coaches are new to the game and studies only what they see pros do, and they think they can see the process behind the movement. For example the torso rotates before the arm, this is true. But in the actual throwing motion we must not think about it, because the (invisible) weight shift does it for us, so we can focus on that instead. Same goes with the back leg. These are things I have figured out mostly by teaching face to face, and especially the difficult cases where we spend and hour trying to find the right method. Most of the time the answer is simple: stop trying to move all the bodyparts in perfect sync, and just let them move while focusing on the elbow, or the fist, or whatever feels the easiest at that point.
@@dgspindoctor as a part of the community on TH-cam and Facebook I 100% agree and even some of us are old enough not to be "new" to the game we can still have a very limited experience of actual coaching. I've helped a few people but the results almost always depends just as much on them as on me (and this is why I have never actually called myself a "coach" and have even refused compensation when offered). Analyzing someones form and picking apart what is happening biomechanically is easy with some experience but a good analyst can still be nearly useless as a coach whereas a good coach is more than likely also a good analyst.
Very refreshing insight tbh. A book worth reading that speaks to exactly what you're saying is The Inner Game of Tennis. Main takeaway: Don't think. Just let your body do what it already knows what to do.
Been playing for about 3 years now and have obsessively watched videos relating to form the whole time. This is my favorite video by far out of any I've watched and, based on my experience with improving, I think this is the most important factor in performing well when you need/would like to. When I'm playing my best with equal parts power and accessory, the only thing I'm thinking about is throwing the disc where I want to and literally nothing else. For me, this is much, much easier said than done for whatever reason but it's refreshing to see a video emphasizing organic movement rather than cognitive micromanagement of it. This notion has been almost more important for putting as well; when I'm putting poorly the thinking that is most helpful is simply saying to myself "just put the disc in the basket." It's almost funny how, whenever that's actually the only thing I'm thinking, the disc finds the chains a lot more often. Love your approach to this side of online coaching youtube. Thank you for the videos!
Micomanaging is the trend now, and exactly the reason I started making videos again. It's also crazy how some people reject this ideology and after asking my advice they still can't let go of their manners because they thinl "all the pros are doing this" and don't believe me as I say they don't, it just looks like that. My theory is, people want a reason to suck at disc golf, they self-sabotage, and one form of it is to micromanage movements that would happen anyway. But because their rear arm's wrist is not in the same angle as Gibson's, they focus on that instead of important stuff.
@@dgspindoctor Love your content. I don't think people want to a reason to suck though. I think it's that these people have never truly felt, and therefore never understood, what it's like to take the mind out of it and just let the body do it's thing. It IS as simple as you teach, but to understand that simplicity you have to know how to trust your body. And maybe more importantly, know how to identify when you're NOT trusting your body enough. It's a difficult sensation to capture when you've never done it. Especially if you're not a professional athlete. Hope that makes sense, just my 2 cents as a learner.
Going to fix the basic fundamentals and let my body do the rest. I trust my athletic background will take over and my body will learn to optimize the throw on its own.
This has been most helpful. Especially in regards to the back leg turning in. At least for where I am at in my game I feel like I can focus on the arm timing and everything else mostly falls into place! Now if I can ever feel this comfortable putting …
I think there is a balance between overthinking and letting your body do whatever it wants to do. Use practice to implement changes but then internalize those movements so you don’t have to think about them.
Yes. It's good to practice and teach the body, especially on a yoga mat and in the gym, but when you play on the course... I would just let go and trust it.
It is pretty easy to see that when people pick up a disc and try to throw, what feels natural is to plant the foot with the toe angled towards the basket some and the weight moving over the front foot early during the throw. It seems that the body is protecting itself. But this will never enable you to throw well. If you follow this natural tendency you will always struggle to get more than 300 ft and will not be very accurate. Very few will naturally reach out heel first and plant with the foot perpendicular to the basket. This gives rise to the idea that some are just naturally gifted when the reality is that it is just that some people get lucky with this vital part of the throw. Knowing the difference can allow more people to actually have a chance at throwing well.
@@dgspindoctor It is good to know that. It seems that people are using it as a blanket statement to justify not thinking about the mechanics of the throw.
I thought it's kinda obvious... And yes, you don't want to think of the mechanics too much. People like me and you (sorry, I assume based on your comment and the urge to point out the obvious) tend to over complicate, over do and over manage all the muscles so that they feel in control, but in reality they just fall into analysis paralylis. That is what I'm trying to say, and for 99% the message was clear enough.
Excellent video. I am doing my best to show some #community #engagement here, so: One of the most elegant ways of putting it that I have heard is “getting out of your own way”. I have heard it from everyone from musicians to martial arts instructors. You are doing it well too.
I think the hardest thing in this game is to be relaxed.. If I'm to relaxed I get very little power, so it mess something up with my timing. I just don't generate a good throwingmotion when relaxed..
What about pushing off your backleg in to your brace? and then braise obv pushing back since you created more energy in to your brace by pushing off your backleg? Thats how it works in ball golf atleast. so be pushing off your backleg in to your brace would create more force?
Push yourself to the front leg and throw, but don't fall over. There really is no secret here that you wouldn't do already. You take the stride forward, put all the weight there and make sure you don't let your body fall over it. That's it. Very simple.
Didn't mean that, at all. Rushing through is not good, ever. But controlling your muscles is bad. You can do it slow, you can do it fast, but if you control all the movements, that will be bad.
In applying this philosophy, is it not very constructive to film fieldwork and analyze the video later? And should fieldwork be simply "See target, see aim point, throw at aim point" or is it useful to structure it into a series of drills like Postman drill?
I have been thinking about the video work, and yes, it does no good for you if you don't know why and how the body works. The feeling of your moves are very different from what they look like on video. The Postman drill is there to remind you of not leading with the upper body, but with the arm. Heavy bracing combined with the arm swing is all you need, basically. All the other upperbody moves are mostly distracting your timing and making you rotate open too fast.
I think the reason people chase micromanaging the throw is because think they can eventually throw 450 on hyzer. The truth is I am not a 450 foot thrower even with perfect form and a great runup. Pros have natural talent that makes them have that 450 foot hyzer.
People don't know what to do, they seek answers from videos and see all the moves the professional player's bodies do. Then they think the pro actually is in control of all the moves. They are not. I can throw 450 hyzer and I certainly am not natural talent... Well, I was back in the days, but lately I've done quite a lot of researching to get that same distance quite effortless.
Coach I'm all in. I'm ready to learn When you say plant and throw with the arm. Is the arm starting the throwing motion (and the body naturally will help) or is it loose and whipped by the body? I think I keep switching back and forth between these two methods and would love to focus on one
When you plant firmly, you are all set for the arm to whip. The body will follow, if you let it. Compare it to throwing a stone. You do it without thinking about the body, but your body will move to make it possible to whip the arm. Of course, if there are problems with the mobility or just no prior experience in rotational movement in the body, you have to teach it to rotate and activate the muscles. But it's mostly about being relaxed and letting the body move and do what it's supposed to without you forcing it.
I like what you are saying but not everyone starts at the same level of athletic movement/control or even taught the fundamentals behind it. Someone who grew up playing sports or similar physical activities starts with a big advantage over someone who didn't, and honestly a sport like disc golf seems full of people that never got too into team sports nor individual sports, even more noticeable after the pandemic growth of the sport.
True true! What I'm saying, is that you should learn, and then forget. Micromanaging the muscles is always bad outside the training area, where you can slowly build new habits to bring to the course. When you play for scores, you should let go. Just trust yourself and the body, don't try so frigging hard to force the moves. I have taught over a hundred beginners and intermediate players, and you know what their biggest obstacle is? Trying to hard. They can't let loose. Once they start to trust that the body moves better when they don't tense the limbs, we get to work. This is what I'm telling. The trend in online dg coaching is endorcing the analysis paralysis with all their double-moves and swim moves and all the other moves that the body will do when it's relaxed. This is what I'm saying.
@@dgspindoctor Definitely! You're right about that for sure, trying too hard is not how it's done. Still not easy to try to throw farther without "trying harder" but instead realize you need to move "faster" i.e. timing. The more you're thinking the less you're focusing. I definitely have a quick checklist I go thru on the tee but there is a point you need to turn that off or it will usually bite you in the ass 😁
@DG Spin Doctor ive been going round and round with people on this topic lately. I try and teach a natural flow and dance to the swing vs forced motions. Your body needs to sing. You cannot flow during the dance if your movements are to controlled.
@DG Spin Doctor language is how we communicate the best actions to our brain. The better language we use to explain the swing, the quicker a person can learn. Disc golf is full of really poor language, at least in English, that incorrectly describes what you should be doing. If you give your body bad instructions with bad language, how is it ever to flow naturally.
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I think one key takeaway of Jaani's videos is there shouldn't be micromanagement, or a focus on minutia, during the throw. He's not against drills, training, or practice. There are fundamentals to be taught, corrections made along the way, and refinements over time as the learning process occurs. I think another key takeaway is that you don't have to teach every aspect or nuance of the throw, only the bigger points, and focus on getting the basics down. And for each individual, fix specific errors to them, and let them build on their correct form - which may be uniquely different from others, yet right for them.
Thank you. This is exactly what I mean!
If you think about boxing technique during your boxing match….
You might as well take a nap since you’re not paying attention
Lol
@@themoonbubble lol yeah, you probably will take a nap whether you want to or not. 🤣
Nicely said Nick.
Trying to focus on every little detail of my throw destroyed all of the joy this sport once brought me. I was the type that watched every single tutorial on TH-cam about backhand form. Did almost daily practice trying to drill all of the information into my head. Thank you for this video. I like the way you think. And I think I may go play tomorrow!
Relax and let go. The rest will follow! ❤️
Great video. I always enjoy your teaching. Thank you.
This makes so much sense to me...lately Ive been " trying not to try to hard".
It's like getting to sleep. The harder you try, the less likely you're going to sleep.
This is one of the best discgolf teaching video. Lot of informatsion to one video and this help me lot. Thanks
Helping you achieve your goal! Thank your for this awesome content!
In a podcast about powerlifting I listen to they recently talked about internal vs external focus. They explained the concept as if you're trying to draw a straight line, if you focus on your hand the entire time the line will probably come out quite squiggly but if you focus on the point where the line ends it will be pretty straight. In powerlifting this means that you will be more effective if you focus on moving the barbell than if you focus on what muscles to flex. I know that they mentioned studies on other sports as well and one of them was dart, of course external focus was much better in dart as well.
In disc golf, people seem to be very good at using an external focus when they putt but when it comes to the backhand throw many seem to get stuck on more internal cues. Maybe because it's a complex movement and a lot of things happen at once so we think that we have to control everything?
Golden.
Thanks Jaani.
I wish I could Thumbs up 70x on this video. Thank you so much for taking the "thinking" part out of all this process!!....now maybe I can have fun instead of trying so hard to get better....going to watch this video every day!! TY!!!
Wish I had this advice in 2016 before I hurt myself throwing all the time. Can't wait to rebuild my throw this year with this advice.
We want more🎉
This is a terrific instructional video.
See, you absolutely have a point. As a dance teacher I see new and intermediate students overthink movement all the time, but this begs the question: If the body knows what to do, why do we still need to practice?
We need to practice, for sure. Just like we all have practiced to walk, we just don't remember it. But once we know how to walk, there is no need to try an time our ankle, our knee, hipflexors and weight shift to take the next step.
As a dance teacher you probably also have tried to tell the students to relax and let go, to stop being so tense, am I right?
@@dgspindoctor You are right, I have told students to do that. Often times it is a lot better to just show and not tell, then let them try in their own way instead of explaining details of how I move my body on what count in the music etc. I guess that applies to this topic :) But yes, practice is still very much needed.
@@wurree While I think I know what it means that "the body knows what to do" it can become a difficult concept to get across if you nitpick it. Of course the body doesnt know how to play disc golf (or dance) so we still have to teach it. To me, it simply means that you don't need to micro manage every part of the movement, if you focus on a few key parts of it the body will fill in the blanks if you relax and let it react naturally to the position you put it in. As a beginner it can be very difficult to understand what parts to focus on, and that's where a good coach can be very helpful. Different movements might also come naturally to different people so two people might need slightly different cues and that's why we have all these gurus online that argue over how to best convey the same thing.
At least that's my take on it but feel free to disagree. :)
Edit: I should make it clear that I am completely new to disc golf but I have some experience both coaching and being coached in other sports.
Yes, this exactly. One has to practice, of course. Train the tecgnique so much that it's not an obstacle anymore and you can stop focusing on it. This, I think, is forgotten in TH-cam coaching, partly because most of the coaches are new to the game and studies only what they see pros do, and they think they can see the process behind the movement. For example the torso rotates before the arm, this is true. But in the actual throwing motion we must not think about it, because the (invisible) weight shift does it for us, so we can focus on that instead. Same goes with the back leg.
These are things I have figured out mostly by teaching face to face, and especially the difficult cases where we spend and hour trying to find the right method. Most of the time the answer is simple: stop trying to move all the bodyparts in perfect sync, and just let them move while focusing on the elbow, or the fist, or whatever feels the easiest at that point.
@@dgspindoctor as a part of the community on TH-cam and Facebook I 100% agree and even some of us are old enough not to be "new" to the game we can still have a very limited experience of actual coaching. I've helped a few people but the results almost always depends just as much on them as on me (and this is why I have never actually called myself a "coach" and have even refused compensation when offered). Analyzing someones form and picking apart what is happening biomechanically is easy with some experience but a good analyst can still be nearly useless as a coach whereas a good coach is more than likely also a good analyst.
Thank you. This was a video I really needed to see :)
Thank you! I hope I can help.
Very refreshing insight tbh. A book worth reading that speaks to exactly what you're saying is The Inner Game of Tennis. Main takeaway: Don't think. Just let your body do what it already knows what to do.
Or: The Inner game of Golf, which I have read. Same message.
WIll try to rebuild my form with your advice, i know i am rounding, some of these tips will probably fix this issue.
I am not frisbee golf player, but I am sure that this same mind set working also in golf.
Timothy Gallway: The Inner Game Of Golf is an inspirational book on this topic.
Thank you!
Getting some Carl Sagan speech vibes. Keep up the content brother.
Been playing for about 3 years now and have obsessively watched videos relating to form the whole time. This is my favorite video by far out of any I've watched and, based on my experience with improving, I think this is the most important factor in performing well when you need/would like to. When I'm playing my best with equal parts power and accessory, the only thing I'm thinking about is throwing the disc where I want to and literally nothing else. For me, this is much, much easier said than done for whatever reason but it's refreshing to see a video emphasizing organic movement rather than cognitive micromanagement of it. This notion has been almost more important for putting as well; when I'm putting poorly the thinking that is most helpful is simply saying to myself "just put the disc in the basket." It's almost funny how, whenever that's actually the only thing I'm thinking, the disc finds the chains a lot more often. Love your approach to this side of online coaching youtube. Thank you for the videos!
Micomanaging is the trend now, and exactly the reason I started making videos again. It's also crazy how some people reject this ideology and after asking my advice they still can't let go of their manners because they thinl "all the pros are doing this" and don't believe me as I say they don't, it just looks like that. My theory is, people want a reason to suck at disc golf, they self-sabotage, and one form of it is to micromanage movements that would happen anyway. But because their rear arm's wrist is not in the same angle as Gibson's, they focus on that instead of important stuff.
@@dgspindoctor Love your content. I don't think people want to a reason to suck though. I think it's that these people have never truly felt, and therefore never understood, what it's like to take the mind out of it and just let the body do it's thing. It IS as simple as you teach, but to understand that simplicity you have to know how to trust your body. And maybe more importantly, know how to identify when you're NOT trusting your body enough. It's a difficult sensation to capture when you've never done it. Especially if you're not a professional athlete. Hope that makes sense, just my 2 cents as a learner.
Going to fix the basic fundamentals and let my body do the rest. I trust my athletic background will take over and my body will learn to optimize the throw on its own.
You are a great coach :D Keep it up
Thank you, I do my best.
This has been most helpful. Especially in regards to the back leg turning in. At least for where I am at in my game I feel like I can focus on the arm timing and everything else mostly falls into place! Now if I can ever feel this comfortable putting …
Putting is even more about not thinking, and yes, nothing is harder than not thinking when putting. :)
I think there is a balance between overthinking and letting your body do whatever it wants to do. Use practice to implement changes but then internalize those movements so you don’t have to think about them.
Yes. It's good to practice and teach the body, especially on a yoga mat and in the gym, but when you play on the course... I would just let go and trust it.
It is pretty easy to see that when people pick up a disc and try to throw, what feels natural is to plant the foot with the toe angled towards the basket some and the weight moving over the front foot early during the throw. It seems that the body is protecting itself. But this will never enable you to throw well. If you follow this natural tendency you will always struggle to get more than 300 ft and will not be very accurate. Very few will naturally reach out heel first and plant with the foot perpendicular to the basket. This gives rise to the idea that some are just naturally gifted when the reality is that it is just that some people get lucky with this vital part of the throw. Knowing the difference can allow more people to actually have a chance at throwing well.
I am not talking to total beginners here.
@@dgspindoctor It is good to know that. It seems that people are using it as a blanket statement to justify not thinking about the mechanics of the throw.
I thought it's kinda obvious...
And yes, you don't want to think of the mechanics too much. People like me and you (sorry, I assume based on your comment and the urge to point out the obvious) tend to over complicate, over do and over manage all the muscles so that they feel in control, but in reality they just fall into analysis paralylis. That is what I'm trying to say, and for 99% the message was clear enough.
Excellent video. I am doing my best to show some #community #engagement here, so: One of the most elegant ways of putting it that I have heard is “getting out of your own way”. I have heard it from everyone from musicians to martial arts instructors. You are doing it well too.
Yes! We do make the life so hard for ourselves by obstructing it in all ways imaginable!
You’re thing with back leg is so true I think
I think the hardest thing in this game is to be relaxed.. If I'm to relaxed I get very little power, so it mess something up with my timing. I just don't generate a good throwingmotion when relaxed..
There is fine line in being relaxed but not flaccid like a tenderloin.
What about pushing off your backleg in to your brace? and then braise obv pushing back since you created more energy in to your brace by pushing off your backleg? Thats how it works in ball golf atleast. so be pushing off your backleg in to your brace would create more force?
Push yourself to the front leg and throw, but don't fall over. There really is no secret here that you wouldn't do already. You take the stride forward, put all the weight there and make sure you don't let your body fall over it. That's it. Very simple.
So... "if everything's seems under control I should move faster? So no slow walk up? Just curious
Didn't mean that, at all. Rushing through is not good, ever. But controlling your muscles is bad. You can do it slow, you can do it fast, but if you control all the movements, that will be bad.
In applying this philosophy, is it not very constructive to film fieldwork and analyze the video later? And should fieldwork be simply "See target, see aim point, throw at aim point" or is it useful to structure it into a series of drills like Postman drill?
I have been thinking about the video work, and yes, it does no good for you if you don't know why and how the body works. The feeling of your moves are very different from what they look like on video. The Postman drill is there to remind you of not leading with the upper body, but with the arm. Heavy bracing combined with the arm swing is all you need, basically. All the other upperbody moves are mostly distracting your timing and making you rotate open too fast.
I think the reason people chase micromanaging the throw is because think they can eventually throw 450 on hyzer. The truth is I am not a 450 foot thrower even with perfect form and a great runup. Pros have natural talent that makes them have that 450 foot hyzer.
People don't know what to do, they seek answers from videos and see all the moves the professional player's bodies do. Then they think the pro actually is in control of all the moves. They are not.
I can throw 450 hyzer and I certainly am not natural talent... Well, I was back in the days, but lately I've done quite a lot of researching to get that same distance quite effortless.
@@dgspindoctor I get what I can out of 5"8 frame and t rex arms. I am lucky as a lefty that forehand is an option on most drives.
Coach I'm all in. I'm ready to learn
When you say plant and throw with the arm. Is the arm starting the throwing motion (and the body naturally will help) or is it loose and whipped by the body?
I think I keep switching back and forth between these two methods and would love to focus on one
When you plant firmly, you are all set for the arm to whip. The body will follow, if you let it. Compare it to throwing a stone. You do it without thinking about the body, but your body will move to make it possible to whip the arm. Of course, if there are problems with the mobility or just no prior experience in rotational movement in the body, you have to teach it to rotate and activate the muscles. But it's mostly about being relaxed and letting the body move and do what it's supposed to without you forcing it.
I like what you are saying but not everyone starts at the same level of athletic movement/control or even taught the fundamentals behind it. Someone who grew up playing sports or similar physical activities starts with a big advantage over someone who didn't, and honestly a sport like disc golf seems full of people that never got too into team sports nor individual sports, even more noticeable after the pandemic growth of the sport.
True true! What I'm saying, is that you should learn, and then forget. Micromanaging the muscles is always bad outside the training area, where you can slowly build new habits to bring to the course. When you play for scores, you should let go. Just trust yourself and the body, don't try so frigging hard to force the moves.
I have taught over a hundred beginners and intermediate players, and you know what their biggest obstacle is? Trying to hard. They can't let loose. Once they start to trust that the body moves better when they don't tense the limbs, we get to work. This is what I'm telling.
The trend in online dg coaching is endorcing the analysis paralysis with all their double-moves and swim moves and all the other moves that the body will do when it's relaxed. This is what I'm saying.
@@dgspindoctor Definitely! You're right about that for sure, trying too hard is not how it's done. Still not easy to try to throw farther without "trying harder" but instead realize you need to move "faster" i.e. timing.
The more you're thinking the less you're focusing. I definitely have a quick checklist I go thru on the tee but there is a point you need to turn that off or it will usually bite you in the ass 😁
Mic has been dropped
Haha. If so, I need to pic it up again. Because I am not done talking!
@DG Spin Doctor ive been going round and round with people on this topic lately.
I try and teach a natural flow and dance to the swing vs forced motions.
Your body needs to sing. You cannot flow during the dance if your movements are to controlled.
I love your analogies.
@DG Spin Doctor language is how we communicate the best actions to our brain.
The better language we use to explain the swing, the quicker a person can learn.
Disc golf is full of really poor language, at least in English, that incorrectly describes what you should be doing. If you give your body bad instructions with bad language, how is it ever to flow naturally.