Touge Showdown!! Brand New NSX vs. Drift King's NSX-R / Hot-Version 2017
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- [ENTRY CAR]
HONDA NSX 2017
DRIFT KING NSX TYPE R NA2
[DRIVER]
DK Keiichi Tsuchiya
MAX Manabu Orido
NOB Nobuteru Taniguchi
[STAGE]
GUNMA CYCLE SPORT CENTER (GUNSAI)
バトルでNSX-Rが新型NSXを制したのは感動的でした。
でもこのチャンネルのファンはNSX-Rみたいなドライバーの意思を発現してくれる車の方が好みの人が多いんだろうな🤤
DK「スポーツカーはね、パワーじゃないんだよ。運動性能が大事なんですよ。」この言葉名言すぎる…
@Lil PINE ロードスターとかが分かりやすいかも。
あれ200馬力も出ないけど純然たるスポーツカーとして高い評価を得ているのは「人馬一体」というコンセプトに則っているから。
速い≠スポーツカー。どんなに非力でも、最高速が伸びなくても、意のままに操れる、車の反応を鋭敏に感じ取れる車がスポーツカーと言われる。
電子制御が頻繁に介入する新型よりも旧型の方をドリキンが高く評価するのは、そういう「スポーツカーらしさ」をより濃厚に持っているからじゃないかな。
@ヂェイあっぷる 小学生の頃は俺も君と同じ幼稚な考えだったなぁ👦
@ヂェイあっぷる
まぁ、わかるで。プリウスとかかっこいいもんね（）
@ヂェイあっぷる 羊の皮を被った狼って言葉もあるからなぁ…
@@KING-bf7ef 羊の皮を被ったミサイル
17:58のどりきんが「いくぞ」っていってステアリングをぽんぽんって叩くところが泣ける
本当に名車のNSXが好きなんだな
I'm so glad they're still so passionate about doing these battles. It's great to have comparison videos of the old and new tech. To see the Type R still reign the king with the R badge just means Honda knew what they were doing then. Hopefully we get a new NSX Type R soon! Don't let this passion die!
It's coming dont fret
@@apIthletIcc No, no it is not, they already announced that the 2022 NSX is their last production lol
@@purp6137 The NSX type S looks hella nice, super unfortunate that it is going to be the last...
@@kevinsanti01 I'm so sad about it! Just give us an R. I want the Japanese super car hype back!
The new NSX was made in america and they made it too heavy because they only have straight line speed in mind. The Japanese create cars with cornering speed in mind. That’s why it’s performing so badly. The difference between old and new is 1,124 pounds.
I hope everybody at Honda watches this.
drivingkato I mean if you look close enough it has a Honda badge on this one. The ones we got here in America has the Acura logo, which is Honda’s Luxury car division but still the same car anyway so I don’t understand what you meant with your comment! 🧐
Mr Tachanka you can’t be serious, Honda and Acura are the same manufacturers, the same engineers and same form of services.
@@ifeelcoke4347 - The new NSX was designed in Cali.
@@robertsothmann8110 Exterior design only.
300hp is very low for a car these days. The new NSX kills the old NSX on the track. This video is an extremely tight turned mountain touge battle - very different from every day use. New NSX is 30 seconds faster around Nurburgring than old NSX. Although I was disappointed with how much electronics and even the looks that the new NSX has, it's pretty clearly the superior race car, and overall daily driver as well.
I can’t believe a nearly 20 year old vehicle is keeping up with its brand new high tech counterpart. The old NSX is a remarkable machine
Lightweight always wins! -DK
新型はアメ車だからね
The problem is that newer cars are aimed not really at people who want a sporting drive but at those who really want a luxury car, this is an issue with a lot of vehicles IMHO. This track just has enough tight sections to punish the new NSX for its massive weight to overcome the power difference and fast shifting transmission.
This was only one course they tested with each car. Get both cars on a track with more open straights with large sweepers and the NA2 will get spanked hard by the NC1. For tight switchbacks and hairpins a lighter car will always corner better through an apex. On a straight, the more powerful car will leave bus lengths reducing the lighter car's ET in the end despite the fact that it can sprint a bit better through tighter turns.
@@ELECTRICEYEMEDIA super obvious comment here.... 600bhp car will beat 300bhp car in a line.
The 'old' NSX-R is such a beauty!
Martin Bettler not old...original
They designed the cabin to be like the cockpit of a jet fighter.
The 'Original' one looks Far better!
Seriously! I am drooling over here.
I like the old look even if Honda drop the pop ups. Is it me or the 2nd gen is....tall looking?
土屋さん、タイプRスピリッツを守るため本気で走ってくれた！とてもカッコいい！
17:58
ここマジで鳥肌たった感動というか
込み上がる気持ちになった。最高です
旧車の方のNSXかっこいいなぁ。。。
ほんと惚れ惚れする
Tsuchiya roasting the hell out of the new Nsx is very entertaining
freedomzah why tho,for me i like the new nsx
freedomzah Yeah! Especially when it involves his own car! Haha!
@@Shutxk0u As much as I like the new NSX and think it's actually quite underrated, it still doesn't live up to it's predecessor.
not only Tsuchiya-san but also Gan-san back then, he questioning whether the new NSX is really NSX
@@1nSovi3tRussi4 the new nsx has more motorsport wins than the old nsx.
ドリドリさんのインプレッションって良いところはもちろん、悪いところもしっかりと伝えるから好き。良いところは良いと、悪いところは悪いと、そういうことをオブラートに包まずに正直に言えるドライバーは好感もてる。
ドリキンの
これが車なんだぞ！
っていう意思が伝わってくる。
痺れますね。
土屋さんの本音コメントがいいね。
他とちがって、メーカーに忖度しないのがこのビデオのいいところ。
織戸の走行中のコメントが年月と共に素人の感想になっていくのほんと好き。
Nothing can compete with these japanese GTs from around the millenium. NSX, Supra, RX7 and Skyline are in its very own league. They share a spirit, even they are different in many ways, and i love it.
And some others, like 3000GT
絶対に教えられないとかいいながらすぐ言っちゃうとこすこ
どうして4日前公開なのに7ヶ月前のコメントが
焼鳥の人 おそらく元々、メンバーシップ限定配信されてた物ではないかと(^^)
絢辻さん車好きだったんですねw
ドリキン的には放送出来ないと思ってた事が上を通して見ると意外とOKがでた見たいな事なんかな？
Dk : we can't tell you how to turn off VSC.
Narrator proceed to tell how to turn off.
ehh that does not completely turn it off though. It will still be active to some extent. The only real way to do so is to pull the fuse or remove the VSA modulator completely
@@viperrules24 or buy the original one
Ruslan Lahabun It’s possible that they didn’t have permission to say when DK recorded his bit, but they did when the narration was recorded.
thebigitchy nice point
@@manenwan Yeah for the price of the new nsx you can get the old nsx and a skyline, both properly tuned.
Power is not the only thing to make up sports car.
Dynamic manoeuvrability is the core
I love this quote
Golden
preach
Gives you that tasty dorifto
N it looks sweet
Well said!
18:53 that old school NSX screaming past the finish at 8K revs.
What an awesome race.
Charismatic cars are sadly rare these days but petrolheads are more united than ever.
These videos remind us why we love cars and the subtitles give all us fans in the world a chance to understand the passion Japan has for cars - so thank you to the people who translate these videos, and thanks Best Motoring team for recognising all your fans worldwide!
Enjoy happy car life for ever❤🚗🗻
Absolutely, kudos to adding the subtitles.
Yes, the subtitles are awesome to keep us non-Japanese speakers informed! Thank you Best Motoring!! I still own so many of the old Hot Version DVDs they are the best!
+1 and infinite thanks for the subtitles. I love watching these videos even without, but they're so much more informative when I understand what's being said!
they are rare but you have to appreciate then when you see them
Toyota 86
BMW M2
Porsche 718 spyder
911 T
@@coced McLaren 570S is a pure drivers car too.
変な動きするってそれを抑えつける土屋さんよ…
やっぱりレジェンドだわ
11:33からの土屋さんの息遣いを聞いてるとなんかもうすごいとしか言えない…
土屋圭一と本物のNSXのコンビはやはり痺れるな❗
初代NSXがイニシャルD走りの車になった事に時代の流れを感じる。車の技術が進歩し楽に速いクルマが増えたのは喜ぶ事だが、だからといって古いクルマが化石になった訳じゃない。という事を教えてくれる動画でした。
今のホンダ軽自動車屋でスポーツクラス共に値段に見合わない価格設定
トヨタの方が断然速くて面白い、ホンダより安い速い高級の現実ね笑
今は1ミリも市販車にフィードバックできないF1に大金注ぎ込んで工場労働者(社員でも)は破格の低賃金笑笑笑笑笑
@@スズキ-i4s トヨタ信者やトヨタ好きはこうだから嫌いなんだよなー
コーナーに吸い込まれてくNSX-Rばりかっこいい。
明らかに名車の方は
地面に張り付いて、コーナー曲がる時の
流れる視界がもう別世界ですね。
I love these Japanese cars from the 80s, 90s and early 2000s, they carry soul in their design philosophy. The new NSX is typical of an American designed car, focused on power only.
Everything is money...and corporate execs...smh passion lost
Agreed...
have you even driven a new nsx?
The hell are you talking about? They didn't focus on "power only".
Any more ignorant and you'd say the only thing they focused on was cargo space...
@@MrCarGuy yes they did sadly, that's why it has awd and hybrid system boost, this car was made thinking about Americans and straight racing and maybe a bit of track in mind, even the lead designer said it was made thinking about pure American muscle power in an exotic body or something like that... Great car, terrible NSX...
This is real sincere automotive "journalism" unpaid by the automakers themselves...
The journalism that we all car enthusiasts would like.
Forza Giappone!
新型、外から見てる感じがなんかもう
「峠を走る車じゃないな」って感じ。
旧型も言うほど峠のイメージねーけどなw
新型って
挙動不審なのにタイムがすごいような…
旧型は一生懸命ドライバーが攻めてるのに
新型はラグのないモーターが強すぎるんよ...R35に加速で勝てるレベルやから...(勿論人によるが)
@@Turtle_Meetan やっぱり勝てるんですか？
@@aa35544 まあモーター積んでてパワー互角の車にガソリン車に勝ち目ないでしょうな...
th-cam.com/video/xcL0SBavikw/w-d-xo.html
580馬力で峠攻めれてるのがほんますげぇわw
New NSX is too American, couldnt agree more
If it's made in Japan, it could have a manual option or just manual.
@@teslaboi1822 The new NSX is just too heavy...
That new nsx destroyed all in the super battle last summer. . . . Dtm and all Japan gt cars
It was designed by a blonde girl 🤦🏻♂️
cr2nr Maybe on a large circuit with sweeping bends but it is clearly not very agile.
I feel nervous but also amazed when I see Tsuchiya driving at 100% in a classic sports car on togue, he is right on the edge whenever it's old vs new he doesn't want heavy car to beat him lol
I would much prefer that someone drives that car as it was build by Honda to be driven, even with the risks that entails; then have it simply sit in a rich man's garage never moving simply so it can appreciate in monetary value.
@@SIXITHS I have a 2018 NSX and put 26,000 miles on mine in less than 2 years. Drive the hell out of it. Been on track many times and more in the canyons on rallies were limits are tested each time. Wouldn't have it any other way. No garage queen here.
DK is really damn serious about the race this time...
they smeared the legacy of the type R nsx!!! hell yeah he is hahaha
@@ipo7596 Yup the new NSX is fucking awful
18:43 that power shift by DK though... He's really serious about winning this one.
He has a big mouth and knows he has to back it up at the track lol
Those races are intense!
スポーツカーはパワーじゃない。いい言葉だ
。。。。。
となるとエリーゼかぁ
運転して楽しい車じゃなけりゃパワーがあっても意味が無い。それを存分に教えてくれる車だね。
"That means set up is aiming for every driver can enjoy sporty driving."
"The American taste, maybe."
LOOOL
貴重なＮＳＸ－Ｒで峠を攻めまくる土屋さんステキです。
新型NSX「一切人の技量を受け付けません」
NSX-R「私のポテンシャルを肌で感じて下さい！」的な・・・。
今じゃどの車もそうだよね...
Rなんか特に、ワイが中坊だった時ですら高性能なのに35なんか今じゃ海外ではゴジラ呼ばわりじゃけぇ...
@@LP-Superveloce きもいきもい
@@鈴木太郎-v5k 何がキモイのかわからん...
なんか理由あって言ってるのかい?
@@鈴木太郎-v5k
確かに、ゴジラは少し
気持ち悪いですよね。
ですが、ちゃんと何が気持ち悪いか
言わないと伝わらないですよ。
@@中里毅-b3n 貴方はいつゴジラがキモいとさかっくしつれ？なあ
土屋さんのアタックマジで痺れる。。
86でGTRに勝つ的な爽快感
180SXでスープラを離すみたいな？
@@勇波-w4l カプチーノでFDブッチギリするとか？
マジで運転技術が異次元過ぎるｗ
最後のアタック、車載だけでコエー！！
土屋さんスゴすぎ！！
車を限界ギリギリまで走らせて、その上でレビューできるのはやっぱりこの人達なんだよなー。他のレビュー見てもここまで車の本来の性能引き出してるものはない、気がする。
ドリキン還暦超えで重ステ車をこんなにも操れるのか…衰えないなぁ
パワステ無しの車で攻めた事ないとわからないかもしれませんが、最適なタイミングで最適な舵角を当てるならばパワーアシストは必要ありません。
必要ならばハンドルをこじってる事になります。
パワステが効くのは速度0キロの時の話で走り出したら余り関係ないです
"It doesn't allow us to have conversation with the car." - NOB 😔
Absolutely love this show, with English subtitles it's perfect!
80年代、90年代のスポーツカーが
一番輝いている気がする
土屋さんの行け行け行け行け！っていうセリフのところで鳥肌が立った。
バトル2本目スタートのとき、土屋さんが「行くぞぉー！」って言いながら、左手でハンドルポンポンするとこがカッコ良すぎ！
車への愛情感じるわー。
新型が良いとか旧s...名車が良いとかじゃなくて開発で想定されてるステージが違うのよね
各車で似て非なるジャンルのイメージ
旧型の方が明らかに速そうに見えるし、圧倒的に楽しそうだ。
15年程前にBSポテンザのタイヤ比較の研修で土屋さんの助手席に乗って以来ファンです！笑
今もお変わりなくw
You can see how well balanced the old NSX is. It rotates so gracefully around those turns.
I Love You. Japan is Amazing! Thanks for Subtitles. You are better than Europe Car Shows.
Japan!!!!!
ドリドリ64才でこの突っ込み…カッコ良すぎる🎵
Thank you for english subtitles. That battle was incredible to watch.
NSX TypeRの時、ドリドリのハンドル切るキレが半端ねぇ
El mejor auto japonés
The Best car of Japan
We Salute.. 🇲🇽
NAエンジンの音の良さが…
かっこよすぎる
4:44の土屋さんのコメントで運転は楽しくないって事が伝わる。
やっぱり燃えるエンジンの名車やな
The cornering motion of the NSXR is just beautiful, that is what a proper sports car should look like, Honda had no intention to make comfortable sports car in that era, only race cars. Both the front and rear end are extremely responsive, and the rear moves really freely, doesn’t drag the front end down
こんなもんに負けてたまるか!!!っていうおじさんの気迫を感じた
ドリキンの走り、熱すぎて憧れる
新型が嫌いなわけではありませんが、前の型のNSXシリーズのほうが自分は大好きです！
I love how Keiichi just cracks up instantly when he says nsx and touge knowing it's absurd.
NSX-Rを運転しているときのステアリング操作が新型の時に比べて凄く忙しく動いている所が、変な電子制御が補助していなくて自分自身で車を操っている証拠だと思う。
真剣度もちょっと違うのもあるね
Rの方がガチでタイム狙ってる感じする
@@chupaou ガチでタイム狙いに行ける車じゃないんだろ新型は
変な電子制御ではないよ笑
__ eXe
いや新型の方が明らかに口数も多いしタイム狙ってるってよりレビューの方に重点を置いてね
bobta bob 峠走るのには変なのでは？
That ending conversation is a lot of wisdom for automakers
New NSX has lots of electronic stuff
Old NSX-R has DK Tsuchiya unleashed
Guess who wins? 😁
BaygonJaune BaygonVert new nsx
BaygonJaune BaygonVert old NSX is miles better
BaygonJaune BaygonVert because you know What we are in Gadget generation newer
My english suk
Nsx win
ドリキンの一言一言に納得しかない
新旧並べると旧NSXが小さくて可愛く見えるだけど走るとバリバリ今でも現役みたいな感じでカッコいい！！
新型が悪いんじゃない
名車がよすぎた
IXトマト わかる
新型も十分に性能でてると思う
前車が前車だけに霞んで見えるだけで。
悪いとか以前に
望んでるベクトルじゃないって感じやな
親が東大法学部、息子が中央法学部みたいな感じですかね(意味不明)
おそらくカーボンボディだったら皆さんが望んでたnsxかも
せめてカーボンモノコックにして欲しかった。
相当悩んだと思いますよ。カーボンかハイブリッドか。
全世代車はあの価格でアルミボディでしたからね(´・ω・`)あの時代で(´・ω・`)
I love how DK is very passionate about maneuverability of sport cars and it seems like he's having fun with his old NSX-R is somewhat made me happy.
A legendary driver. A legendary car. What more could one ask for? I see an incredibly well engineered car that is under appreciated along with a very fast modern car. To each his own. The NSX designation is only appropriate in one case.
Thank you Honda team for creating such an amazing machine. I loved mine, and it truly is an engineering marvel
Dorikin giving everything, this match is personal to him.
All my respect.
You can see DK's love for the original NSX. He roasts the new one and tells Honda to really brush up more.
Honda really needs to get their shit together and built an NSX that is what car enthusiasts want, just like the original NSX. The sales number of the new NSX are so pathetic, it basically shows that Honda went totally in the wrong direction. Maybe letting Honda's US division develop this new NSX was a mistake.
I don't think the original NSX got the praise it deserved. It truly has stood the test of time. Both old and new seem to have reviews focusing only on the shortcomings , not so much the merits. Will today's NSX be seen in a similar light in 30 years time? I doubt it.
I think Honda/Acura wanted it to be high-tech like the GT-R but it got more expensive making it that way
Hell most of the manufacturers need to start to brush up there games. Besides Mitsubishi they lost there way awhile back and no way in hell they are coming back.
@@fujiwatertofumi5363 besides Mitshitbishi? Lol they are on the verge of bankruptcy. What’s good about them?
Man i just love Keiichi man he speaks so passionately about the car..hes such a pro im jelly
ドリキンの車に「行くよ！」って言うの分かるなぁ
バイク乗ってると今日も楽しく頼むよ！ってタンクポンポンしちゃうわ
信号待ちでナデナデしてしまう
ドリドリの思い入れもあるんだろうけど、昔の日本の技術者は凄い！
Old NSX-R is real NSX.
” 本物のNSXはこれ(旧型)だ "
I like how it’s a new video but yet feels like it was produced in the early 99-00s 😂
that's the way we like it
土屋さんの走りに 痺れました！
「機械が曲げてる、気持ち悪い」と言うのが良く解るな。
ドリキンの言う通りや...アキュラならOKてのは物凄く分かる。ホンダNSXはこれじゃない
@ichikawa takahiro 日本人目線とアメリカ人目線の違いですかね？
日本人目線としてはNSXは「ホンダ」スポーツの象徴であり、米国アキュラは高級車のイメージです。
そういう意味で土屋さんは新型NSXのことをスポーツカーとして認められないから、高級路線のアキュラで出したら良かったのにと言ったのではないでしょうか。
4:54 擦ってるのさえかっこいい
ヤバい！
DKの旧NSXの最終コーナーがヤバすぎる！
旧型の削ぎ落とした感が好き
力石徹みたいでかっこいい
まあ、土屋さんのはエアコン装備らしいけど、現代の日本でエアコンレスはその車に乗る機会を失うだけなので絶対に必要な装備だと思う
土屋圭一格好良すぎ‼️
土屋さんの走りから大和魂感じました‼️
痺れる泣ける!!!感動しました‼️これからもずっと応援してます‼️
18:45のドリキンカッコよすぎ！
最後のバトル凄い鳥肌たった。
土屋さんやっぱすげぇや
Old NSX looks are timeless. It will be hard to ever beat it's styling.
バトル2本目のドリキンがステアリングを叩いて車に語りかけるようなシーンいいな〜☺️
ホンダはこのNSXといいシビックといい何でこうなってしまったの？て思ってしまう。土屋さんも冒頭で言ったように車はパワーじゃないんだよねー、わかってよ、メーカーさん。本当にそう思う
give back nsx to the japanese people. let them built it.
At least the 2019 facelift version is done by Japanese engineers (for handling improvements). Few magazine reviews say it handles a lot better than the 2017 version
Sure thing.... Just look at what Toyota did with the legendary Supra............ Rebadged a BMW Z4...... Japanese don't know how to build cars anymore.
This NSX was designed by Japanese staff that had a hard on for electronics.
enigmaPL new supra lives up to old one tho
Both Honda and Toyota have completely missed the mark with the new NSX and Supra,respectively.
What made the old NSX and Supra such great and beloved cars,was the fact that they were affordable,easy to maintain and had engines build like tanks who could be tuned up to insane performance numbers.
The new NSX is just a generic hybrid supercar,with shitloads of electronic but less horsepower than other cars in his class and the new Supra is just a re-batched BMW. Both are also way too expensive.
The ironic thing is,the Americans just released the new Corvette C8 which is more close,in philosophy to the old Supra and NSX.
@@doublep1980 lol neither of those cars were affordable. Maybe just maybe the supra but in today's money it would probably be 60 grand anway. The 92 NSX had an MSRP of 65k, IN 1992!!. While the 2002 NSX has an MSRP of 90k. People weren't exactly making that much money unless they were upper middle class or something. And with inflation it pushes them close to or over 100k in today's money. Maybe not as expensive as a new NSX but not cheap either.
i just love this middle finger to new cars from the old ones.
Awesome video. Thankful for the three legends and the crew behind the making of this episode. I do still think that perhaps more seat time behind the wheel of the newer NSX is required in order to get really acquainted with the driver aids from the advance electronics. If you are use to driving the non driving aid cars, it will take some time to trust in the decisions, calculations, and adjustments that the assisted modern cars offer. I still love the original NSX though.
new age technology is great for dummies, old engineering best suits for skillful drivers
速い≠スポーツカー じゃない。
初代nsxよりももっと庶民的なロードスター、86もちゃんとスポーツカー。
2代目nsx最大の欠点はコンセプトが曖昧で何が表現したかったのか分からなかった点だと思う。
The 90s NSX has a timeless design aesthetic, both inside and out. What a car!
旧型NSXのような乗り手を選ぶような車を乗こなしてこそ、一流のドライバーだろうな。新型NSXはだれでも速く走れる車
Great comparison, and so happy with this result! I hope Honda will develop a 2nd generation of NSX as they did with the old one
They will never make a new nsx anymore
Doubt it. The new NSX doesn't sell very well at all.
@@ProductofNZ and old one too
@@mahmudbinumar4754 they sold enough to keep it in production for 15 years (with a facelifted model)
@@ProductofNZ the new nsx probably doesnt sell well because its not really an nsx, its a heavy hybrid thats only fast in a straight line. If honda simply went back to the roots of the nsx, and focus on handling as well (i.e a cheaper more reliable car that keeps up with ferraris and such) i bet it will sell well
NSX-Rが先行のバトルでドリキンが 行くぞー って言ってハンドルをトントンするの好き
It's not always about power, but also balance and handling and that's how Keiichi show them to those modern car stereotypes nowadays, NSX-R Saikou!