Matt Lawton INSISTS Man City LEAVING The Premier League Would Be DAMAGING Amid PL 'CIVIL WAR' 😱😳
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ต.ค. 2024
- The Times' Chief Sports Correspondent Matt Lawton discusses the fallout of Manchester City's legal case against the Premier League.
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PL was fine while City were two divisions lower. If they get relegated or removed the league will still be fine. No one team is bigger than the division.
I agree with your overall point, but you can't compare sending City down the leagues now versus twenty years ago!!
It’s fine as long as Utd Liverpool or Arsenal are doing ok, the minute some other team challenges them they want to change the rules, they believe the world revolves around them, secret meetings with the head of the FA etc there’s your corruption
@@mypointoftoon maybe not in time wise, but I saw Leeds and Blackburn get relegated too. Teams who were champions not many years before. Man City wouldn't be missed, the revenue would right itself as any business model does. As for their fans, a massive amount are just glory supporters. They'll switch to whoever else is winning 🤷🏻
@@bobofett3966 Oh please. Arsenal haven't won a league in two decades. Liverpool have one in three. It's over a decade since Manure last won it. Stop acting like they are dominating the division.
@@Devypocalypseif city wernt cheating liverpool would of won 5 and arsenal would of already won 2 , you do realise saying this proves their point not yours??
Anyone remember what football was about 22 lads kicking some leather around a field. When it was simple I enjoyed it now just all about the money. The greed in the sport will kill the game.
Who do you support?
@@Cristobal_2012 lets have it right ...the game's been dead since 2010.
Sooner it hits the reset the better it’s all going to come to a sorry end
@@DeanFarquharson interesting you choose 2010.. any reason in particular.?
I think it actually started to die once the premier league was formed and Sky sports got the power, but others will probably tell you it saved English football 🤷🏼 I guess we'll never know
@@Cristobal_2012 LOL does that matter?
Allowing a Club that has been so corrupt to stay in PL is way more damaging than losing them. In fact, booting them out not only maintains integrity, it may lead to increased interest as the league becomes less predictable.
please tell us Dan how corrupt is city? you must know a lot about the matter right? you obviously are not only a salty arsenal fan that only wants his mediocre team to win something right?
Corruption you say? How come United/Liverpool match fixing doesn't resulted them getting kicked out of the league? 🤣🤣 United/Liverpool buying their titles with crazy "clean" money was pretty good for everybody 🤡
Well said. City also should have been suspended whilst the investigation went on.
this narrative that the league needs the cheats is a joke!
Expulsion and ban the cheating owners from purchasing football clubs.
@JulioTr95
City are a corrupt outfit from top to bottom. Everyone knows it including you golf state brainwashed fanboys.
@@JulioTr95he has no clue.. just like 90% of the sheep who parrot this drivel…
I’m not even a City Fan
Perhaps the EPL should stop hiring friends or people from the “right” backgrounds and hire competent professionals. This is the second time they have been told the rules that were passed were illegal. Clearly the owners don’t know much and neither does the EPL. Trying hiring professionals and pay them.
And fifa ETC
The FA/EPL has always been an old boys club anyway. Money just moves around the same circles, doing each favours with handing out jobs/legal contracts/consultant fees. Billion £ empire, ran like a family business controlled by a greedy uncle.
Maybe EPL should not sell all their clubs and culture to states that have no interest in football but only want to use unintelligent Brexits as their platform for washing away all their guilt
Didn't the Gaydamak family at Portsmouth give Portsmouth shareholders loan under Harry, then when the economy tanked asked for their money back and Portsmouth didn't have it and then had to sell off assets and went down the league's. That is the very reason PSR and FFP was bought in! So why shouldn't Shareholders loans be included in APT & PSR rules, unless your telling me its to protect the few??? Can't have it both ways now!
Exactly
What Portsmouth did (twice) was utterly disgusting. Shambles of a football club. Stealing off charities yet still claiming their stolen FA Cup win. A true stain on football.
You are becoming self aware and you are about to discover the truth.
Clubs with the most shareholders loans :-
1) Everton £451m
2) Brighton £373m
3) Arsenal £269m
4) Chelsea £149m
5) Liverpool £147m
6) Leicester £132m
7) Bournemouth £119m
8) Palace £90m
9) Wolves £75
10) Brentford £64m
11) Nottingham Forest £61m
12) Aston Villa £10m
Yeh, debt ok apparently. And having a shirt sponsor who was part of the financing used to buy the club and then load it with debt too.
City are accused of having their owners funneling money into the club. Arsenal, Liverpool funnel money into their clubs via shareholder loans but APT had no regulations for that. Rules for thee but not for me
Independent panel saw that for what it was: discriminatory
Now everyone has to play by the same rules. Good luck
@@shikhorwahed finally some sense.
So What’s wrong with investing in the club you own? It’s not like they robbed a bank to get those funds
@@jinlondzale4191 That’s what City is accused of, investing in a club they own.
@@shikhorwahed I don’t get it. Investing in your club is illegal how?
@@shikhorwahed if it is so easy to pump money in via shareholder loans why didn't City take that approach rather than falsely represent sponsorship deals in their accounts? Why haven't Newcastle done this either? It's because loans are debt and considered in PSR calculations, the "argument" is that the interest being paid on those loans is too low and not "fair market value" and should be shown on books for PSR purposes with a higher interest rate
Interest free loans are a massive legislative red flag , and carries different tax consequences. Ensuring all loans are financed at or above the prime rate removes a lot of these concerns
There are other ways to inject cash into a business, I doubt that will worry City.
@@paultaylor7184true self sponsorship
Yep, if you're gonna try & govern sponsor deals to make sure they're 'fair market value' same with clubs like Chelsea selling property which has to be 'fair market value'...of course the interest rate should be 'fair market value', 6% is cheap af
What? It isn't limited to football
It isn't unique
@@yt.personal.identification no its common practice in all trade , at least in countries that vaguely base the accounting / tax law on British law
When they were in Div 1 absolutely nobody cared.
@@clemfandangoz8700 the 30k plus fans every week did.
Apparently they still dont.
Apart from the 30k that rocked up each week.
Like nobody cares about you 👍
But now everyone is having meltdown while saying no one cares about them, hahaha 😅
It's just a bunch of rich men arguing over who gets richer. Meanwhile, we, the supporters, suffer. It's pathetic from both sides.
Stop basing how much a club can spend on transfers and wages on how much they earn from sponsors, etc. See how quickly those overinflated shirt "sponsors" disappear once they realise it won't give them an advantage.
This is lazy
@@askido351 the irony of your post is really impressive.
Nah, it's a petulant child smashing it's toys because a democratic vote didn't go the way they want.
When you are used to being the dictator.
It was put in place to stop newcastle growing racial biased
This is all to stop small teams disrupting the order. If they have the money they should be allowed to spend it
There is no order , theres just successful clubs who have built their history and fanbase over decades of growth. Football shouldnt be a race to the bottom to sign an owner who wants to sugar coat their image.
@adammohamed.. doesn't matter. There is no right or wrong way. If Man City or any team have the finance to do it their way then let them do it.
Barcelona and Real have cheated the system for years and get away with it, because they are a so called big club
@@adammohamed.. Well said sir.
@@adammohamed.. 100% correct. City have shortcutted their way to the top. Prem was fine without them
@@adammohamed..it starts from somewhere. Newton Heath/Utd were bailed out by a wealthy owner, hence they could grow fanbase etc over decades. City similarly got bailed out and are now growing successfully...great to see. Meanwhile...ManU wasting fortune on sacking managers
No man city can’t keep legal action going but Newcastle can and villa can and man city can , the premier league changed the rules to protect the red cartel , Man U fans must just get the head around they are just mid table team, their time has been over for years
The funny thing about Man U becoming mid table is that it wasn't even that they were really pushed out of the top 4 a bunch of new clubs with massive financial power (except city ofc). They kept spending massive amounts on big name players; they imploded all by themselves
@@GoldenbanjoDJ American owner bunch of didies
Rules were changed to protect clubs from going bust, your point is just so you feel good about cheating😂
100% 😂@@iseeyoutoo7899
@@iseeyoutoo7899 are you just dumb are ignorant have you not read the emails , cheating? Are you just foolish or just a Man U fan
So many jealous arsenal fans in the comments. You better hope they’re guilty it’s the only way you can beat em
Why is the EPL the best in the world? Best tv deals & corruption. EPL is stifling competition from smaller or less wealthy clubs by stupid illegal rules. Well done City exposing this. Now we have a fair playing field where Newcastle & Villa can naturally grow bigger & challenge like Leicester did 👏👍
Newcastle ain growing naturally bruv hahaha
Wouldn't be damaging at all could actually see it being more interesting again especially with more clubs like villa,newcastle possibly able to challenge could lead to more Leicester moments.
@scottjames1794 nope cause in the 70s it was liverpool and 90s it was man united and these were before the rules to stop the chelsea and citys and Newcastles to compete and upset the apple cart. If anything, a leicester is more likely now seeing as it happened between chelsea and city. Stop spreading your silly takes
It is necessary to subject the rules to means testing. Provided they are equitable for all, no PL club opposes the APT regulations. The introduction of exceptional rules for the benefit of other PL clubs is not permissible. If the introduction rule date occurs after the improvement, it is not possible to enforce regulations on a PL club. These can only be implemented subsequent to the date of introduction. The introduction of rules with the intent to bully and harass other PL clubs is prohibited. Enforce rules that are fair, transparent, and free of any loopholes.
It's wrong it was brought out to stop Newcastle becoming a force, but it effects City massively too, City and Newcastle have come close nit during this saga.
You can swap tea towels
When you to stop Newcastle becoming a force? Do you mean to stop a team cheating? 🤔
@@stevoc9930 how is spending money cheating 😅 never head nothing wgen Chelsea, United, Arsenal, and City did it but once Newcastle get the moolar every man and his dog cry like bitchess, keep crying man.
The timing of it was appalling and discrimination against one club in particular. It is closing the door on clubs doing what others have been doing for years.
@@JJSpence15 exactly mate.
City are basically says no the rule book has to be rewritten and the rules right now are null and void. Meaning there is no rules right now as we speak so everyone has about a week before the new rules coming into place with the emergency meeting that’s happening next week. Also city have said to the premier league if the rules are not lawful again because you are rushing them, we will take you to court again so take your time.
Ya they need to show their power and remove city from the league can’t have one club telling the league what to do
Nope. They said the rules should be written fairly and properly and that doesn't take less that 2 weeks like what happened
Why is it always City moaning?
@@mikem8211 moaning. We're winning the most under these rules ... that doesn't change the fact that they are illegal. We want everyone to be given a fair opportunity.
@@mikem8211because they are discriminated against by the red cartel who run the regulator
It shows how much power, money and influence city has at the moment, the premier league and national newspapers are terrified of them
Damaging for who? 😂😂😂😂
UK government's relationship with Abu Dhabi
@@merlinbotha363 ✔️ ✅️
@@merlinbotha363 we dont care about abu arabi
@@mannyafcarsensl-rc6vvfacts! Those bastards should’ve never been able to infiltrate our sports as a way of political manipulation
▪︎Court - PL Rules are Unlawful
▪︎Media - PL are not Cheats
▪︎Media - City damaging PL?😂
Just let every club spend what they want to on players ,if they go bust their fault .
Simpleton type thinking process 🤪
Exactly my brother
But it’s the fans who get punished. Look at Portsmouth. Historic club and an entire city almost had its club wiped out due to no fault of the fans.
@@thelmaviaduct mouth open catching flys type
@@michaelelah8106 you're African and I claim my $100,000.
The over exaggeration on this is mind blowing. The premier league needs to employ people who know what they're doing and the clubs who are classed as financial advisors need to step away. Get people in who know how to write legal and fair financial rules.
people that know wat they r doing?? wat like u 😂😂 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Man City leaving the premier league will be the best thing for football tf u mean😂
They may have broken laws but lets be honest how did that affect other teams? Its not like they built a super team, they built a good team that pretty much all the other top teams could have built and they have an exceptional manager. If anyone should be investigated or questioned, its a team like PSG when they had neymar messi and mbappe 😂
Everyone screaming cheating are just mad city have won numerous epls in a row thats all, and theyve done it by having a superior coach. Let them figure out the rest in court...lets not make it more than it is. Booth them out of the league for what? 😂 Thats nonsense lol
So you don’t think there should be punishment for rule breaking? Of course it’s affected other teams who haven’t broken financial rules it’s literally affected every team below them, Shitty new the rules decided to ignore them then lied about ignoring them if they are not punished the leagues whole credibility goes
For cheating! That's why building a team on the money that those trophies and competitions generated additional income. That's called CHEATING cooking your books and lying about income from sponsors that went back into the transfer kitty too continue the cheating. That's called cheating bro! Wake up stop the excuses. It's called sports integrity! Fairplay. What about fair competition and other clubs winning stuff? 🤔 fairly? That wasn't allowed to happen and others clubs weren't able to build on those trophies profits etc.
@jackmullin8962 No one's saying they should not be punished if they are guilty. But we are making it sound like they built a super team or something. City got a bunch of good and sometimes unknown players and made them great with a superb coach. City is not the only team that spent money
No one/club with the wealth and legal power has challenged the leagues rules until now. The rules are to protect the sport but also we know there in place to entrench historically bigger sides but new rich owners want to buy a club and bring them up, for their own reasons. The rules stop that as well, unless they paid the big price to buy a historically bigger club.
It's the trickle down effects of having owners who've never experienced not getting their own way in their lives. The concept of "no, you're not allowed" is so entirely alien to them that their determination to have their own way regardless has permeated into the whole club's outlook.
No they're not, as has just been proven. The details and way they have been operated has been discrimanatory.
@@martinaaron609- and why should another club/business dictate what another club/business can invest? This was an immediate change of regulation enforced by clubs to stop one club challenging!!
Historically bigger sides did not suddenly become historically bigger sides. They became so over decades of hard work and building on succsess on the pitch. Its easy to spend money to buy success. Just take city and chelsea for example. Historically reasonabbly successful clubs that had failed on the pitch in terms of winning titles and as consequence lagged behind the three biggest clubs in england, untill they were swamped with Cash. Without that Cash, its doubtful they would have had so much success in such a short period of time. Newcastle are the prime example of a club that is Cash rich but unlike chelsea and city,, are restricted by the New rules. Give newcastle the freedom to spend without limits they will probabbly make chelsea and cites recent achievements, palé in comparison.
@@ricmorris9758probably because they're Arab too. It was ok for a Russian owner to spend whatever he wanted.
The 90's was brilliant football without the ridiculous restrictions. Teams like Blackburn could dream 💭
Yea Leicester never happened eh. Rose tinted glasses of legacy club fans. Man u lfc and arsenal all mad as hell free markets allowed them to become legacy. Now they cry for a dictatorship over football that holds them at the top. You understand ffp was created to stop small clubs going bust, not to punish those whoth sugar daddies who can actually cover the debt. Of course you don't. You mad mad.
difference between Jack Walker, a local businessman, compared to two nation states. If there were no APT rules Newcastle and Man City would turn the PL into Abdul v Ahmad.
Jack Walker, for the time also brought in what was considered a LOT of money to buy a winning team.
Exactly how would luton ever get close to winning the league it's just so the top teams stay the top teams
@@devilmaycare2809Jack walker wasn’t a multi billionaire
This is driven by Man Utd You Tubers / TikTokers, ex Players and ex Executives who are jealous of Man City Success despite Man Utd spending more money than City it is just City are led by a Master - Manager and a very good Talent Hunting Group.
Manchester United and Liverpool protectionism. Money talks. If you want to keep the game as it was in the 80s and 90s, don't allow overseas ownership
That means every club would have to leave
@@hughfawcett4333 there you go. Much like Hollywood entertainment, the premier league is a good global product, made way better since overseas money like the Kroenkes, Glazers, Abramovich, etc. These owners were allowed because the fans wanted spending improvements. The competition and marketing has made the product better
Utd and Liverpool earnt what they got . No sports washing or genocide involved
@@barbarohelm9697 So why does Liverpool have shareholder loans? Surely that's not hard earned. Littlewoods fc never earned f all the hard way.
It’s the PL who need to be careful as they bend over backwards to protect the red clubs from competition with their unreasonable, unfair and unlawful rules.
Let them go!!!! They can all piss off...and see how many people tune in to that league or whatever tournament they make...set of wonkers
You just dont get it?? Lack of Brain Cells????
Spot on!
If city did make a league im sure alot would rather join that if there putting bigger prize pools up
▪︎Court - PL Rules are Unlawful/Illigal
▪︎Media - still on back of City
▪︎Media - gutless to call PL are Cheats despite proof?😂
@@KevinJohnson-o7h Let them all go...then we'll have a new English football league
I don't agree with auto relegation. Sporting integrity is really what's on trial here. What city and other top PL clubs have been doing for years needs to be stopped. City are the straw that broke the camals back,should they be punished, yes, because 3 of the sponsorship deals city signed are 3 to 4 times larger than what rival teams (united, Madrid, Bayern) could generate at the time, when city were undoubtedly a smaller club. We should allow investors to invest and clubs to spend but there MUST be limits, which starts with accurate financial reporting by clubs and no epso facto accounting to cover for certain spending, which has clearly happened here.
Integrity is more important than City. So get rid of them.
Integrity would have had the league not stand by and allow the take over in the first place, but they allowed it. It should have been stopped way back when Roman bought Chelsea but the league did not care then and now they have lost control of it.
Integrity is more important than the premier league so kick those fuckers out
What about the integrity of the red cartel get rid of them, they wanted the premiership they wanted super league they wanted ffp they wanted ASP anything they want.
Get rid of the "big 6"
Integrity?. The Premier League are literally trying to run a cartel and have been proved to be acting illegally.... There is no integrity in that!
PSR, APT, FFP.....Heres another one, FFS!!
I grew up,when city,were in the lower leagues,& they were never a threat,in the old Division one,before the money came in,they were never a big club,.I’d like to see pep do what cough did,be derbys manager,without the money to spend,& bring them huge success.
@@MichaelDaley-l6i I’d like to see you write a simple sentence without using commas.
Cough 😂
he couldnt do anything other than setup up a mourinho type park the bus counter attack type squad.
United were in the 2nd tier and Liverpool were in the 2nd tier too! Vilaa have played for 2 seasons in the 3rd tier, City just the 1 season. Look at Chelsea during the 80s. A 2nd tier side. Nobody cares Cockney Red. Move on
It must be nice to be so simple sometimes, utd didn`t come out of City`s shadow till the late 1950s and didn`t have a crowd till they played at Maine Road after the war.
If Elon Musk buys West Ham, Bezos buys Everton, Zukerberg buys Brentford and are all determined to spend obsene amounts of money City would want those rules
Man U 92-2000 = City 2017 - 2023. They don’t like how it feels. If FFP existed then, we wouldn’t have to hear about United 24/7
Top spending PL clubs from 92/93 - 99/00:
92/93: Blackburn
93/94: Blackburn
94/95: Everton
95/96: Newcastle
96/97: Newcastle
97/98: Newcastle
98/99: Man.United
99/00: Liverpool
Well done - you scored 1/8. Google is your friend - try not to let the facts whack you in the head on the way out 😉
@@DPSamfishlies
@DPSamfish you think lying Like that will work?
It shows United were the club that spent the most over the 10 year period that you mentioned
It’s a bent league . The PL are controlled by 6 clubs
I dont know how “well respected” and “journalist” can be said in the same sentence 😂😂 baffling
Unless its describing an oxymoron??haha
Go back 10 to 15 years and City weren't even mentioned in football's elite. The new kids on the block need to be humble ...as 'humble' Harlaand professes.😀
The Toon and City for Oil Classico. Lets go
Yah in league two let’s go
The two points out of 25 that City won against PL are a deep enuf cut in themselves into the credibility of the league management. Infact only one claim was needed. So the league say they lost to City by a small margin?
I'm seeing rumours that Man City could potentially leave the Premier League. They're welcome to do it - a league with the same number of viewers as the MLS, no disrespect.
They need to get back in their lane, nothing club pre 2011. The 80’s, 90’s and 00’s were fine without them dining at the top table, who do they think they are😂😂
Cheats playing the victim card. Nothing new here.
the red cartel have been cheating for years about time somebody showed them that they no longer own the premier league...........................
Liverpool and Manu who are the convicted cheats
Yea, the same old red cartel cheats trying to fix everything in their favour
@@riccardobrogelli3550 Isn’t it Liverpool, Arsenal and Manu who are CONVICTED cheats?
Idiot. Nothing has ever been proven that they have even done wrong. How sad are you to convict other without facts. Typical Communist
media really convince people no player is bigger than the club yet here we are 6 clubs literally bigger than the actual league and being soo able to do what they need
Exactly, the likes of utd, arsenal, lpool etc shouldn`t be allowed to get away with it. It`s lucky that Manchester City Football Club have the balls to fight such an injustice that`s been allowed to continue for far too long.
@@brianshockledge3241 super league highlighted that they are all dirty tbh this league showed its hand and i am not falling for it
Mancity just keeps throwing lawsuits everywhere, they must think they have the ability to trample upon the premier league and succeed. I really cant wait to see where all of these ends.
its ends in nothing lol ,,unlucky
Are you saying they had no right to contest this when it was ruled that the Premier League behaved unlawfully? Interesting take...
City will bankrupt those criminal enterprises, cartels. City is saving the League
They'll sue and throw a lawsuit against the wind for blowing a freekick over the bar. And probably win too
@@kerb.City have been cooking the books well before all that.
All part of a plan , Barca and Real did not fight and win the right to set another super league for the fun of it . City will join them along with Saudi league as well and this time with agrieved fans on board. Regulator bill never passed and probably not this year.
Commonwealth knowledge that they want a super league.
Let them Go
It would make the premier league miles better , Propa clubs like boro Sheffield leeds etc in the prem with Propa fans and crowds , bring it on i say
City aren’t the only club that wanted a Superleague, if you forgot, they were the first to reverse their decision.
Manchester city is the most watched and loved English football club in America by 60 above other teams, you can check the statistics if you want to urge and it's fanbase in America is rising like an aeroplane taking over, so city is the most important club in England now so you better be careful
😂
You mean by 60 + age interesting thinking 🤔
How exactly would it be damaging?
No one takes them
Seriously anyway. Are they are great team on the pitch. Yes absolutely
Is pep a great manager, yes absolutely
Did they cheat, yes absolutely.
Suck it up, own up, take you punishment and move on or leave
Ironic
They will never be real champions unless they dump all the manufactured wealth, something they literally can't do now. They are just cheating bums for life now.
Stop whining
Their actually boring to watch too
@robert when did i whine? Your reply is actually more whining than mine.
I asked a question and praised them several times.
As a fan,I would prefer if the sponsors did not advertise on the guernsey. I’m not supporting snapdragon,but the football club.I hate seeing advertising on the players clothes.
One thing is sure, if Man City are guilty on 115 charges the PL will show no mercy after their antics.
Tells you City would not, no chance..This is the problem with rival fans, they would rather have rules that discriminate City than rules that's fair to all
Don’t think so soft lad
I bet you couldn't get yourself off a traffic ticket moreover arguing legal complexities.
I can tell you all this much.. City really don't care if they win.. just pay a fine. 2nd division: fine. We'll be back the next. Simple.. nothing we City Fans care or worry about. It's everyone else.😂😂😂
@fazlekhan8024 What makes you think it's gonna be the 2nd division? Could be non league
It's crazy how another country is trying to redefine our national game. The FA should never have let it come to this, they should have carried out their due diligence on each new owner, and have made a rod for their own backs. But you can't have the Premiership run or defined by the clubs
The greed of these clubs is staggering.
The premier league is being turned into a circus and playing withour heritage
Why don’t they set a salary cap? This entire thing is rubbish
Unlawful for a start. Premier League needs less ambiguity around their rules, that would be a good start.
@@reeceb4973well do like Major League Baseball in America and create a luxury tax. Major League Baseball's (MLB) luxury tax, also known as the Competitive Balance Tax (CBT), is a penalty that teams pay when they exceed a predetermined payroll threshold:
Purpose: The CBT is a way to regulate how much money teams can spend on their players, and to reduce anti-competitive behavior.
How it works: Teams are taxed on every dollar spent above the threshold, and the tax rate increases based on how many consecutive years they exceed the limit.
Thresholds: The 2024 CBT threshold is $237 million for player salaries and benefits.
Penalties: The penalties for exceeding the threshold are:
First year: 20% surcharge on all overages
Second year: 30% surcharge on all overages
Three or more consecutive years: 50% surcharge on all overages
Resetting the penalty: If a team dips below the threshold for a season, the penalty level is reset.
2023 season: The New York Mets paid a record $101 million in luxury tax for the 2023 season
Surcharges: Teams also pay surcharges for exceeding certain thresholds.
Nah, so many more things we could do than that. All it would do is turn these clubs into American like franchise models that all churn out billions a year in dividends that all leave the country right away. I'd rather players make money taxed at 45%, than greedy owners make crazy money on which they pay almost 0 tax other than a easily 20% corp tax, even then there's loopholes
Wouldn’t be damaging, it would be justice
Has Man City become bigger than the Premier League if there is fear the league would be worse off without them in it.
It’s because of the mom they pull in
Money*
@@madeinengland9488 you mean they put in.... not pull in. Their reach is no where near that of existing European giants.
@@seanohalloran they are literally making the Premier League the most money right now so no it’s not what they put in.
You just dont get it?? Lack of Brain Cells????
I see the league is spliting in 2. Blue Corner - City, Chelsea, Everton, Toon and Red Corner - Pool, Utd, Gunners. Everyone pick a side.
These rules are there to protect clubs like United, Arsenal and Liverpool and maintain status qou. Recent ruling proves they are unfair and shouldn’t apply
Bot for city 😂😂😂. Many clubs outside of those 3 have been better finished higher than those 3 without being state owned.
If city get thier way they will be the ONLY team with a chance. It would be so much less open as it has been the last 5/6 years
@@RGSMANIAnah because Newcastle and Villa owners will also be allowed to invest. OP was right this was brought in as protectionism.
Sure.
@@RGSMANIA Actually not a city fan 😂😂😂😂 Just common economic sense. You can’t stifle clubs by putting a cap on what economic value sponsorships they can acquire. That goes for all teams btw. The ‘state owned’ label is just a red herring as there is nothing stopping United from doing the same 😉
@@Neo_Rain146 United fans were happy last year when they thought it was happening to them.
I think it would be more damaging to keep cheats in the league because then everyone has the right to break rules if City have cheated they have to go like anyone that cheats on any level that this 115 is supposed to be
wouldnt it be just like it was before 2008 and MCFC only had 9 fans? well actually they still have just 9 fans
Same number as your IQ!
Well I can testify spurs is way more popular than man city will ever be in Britain and has 3X more fans too!
Isn’t it City who have held the attendance record for 90 years?
Oh dear!
@@robertmclellan3658 tickets sold vs actual attendance is different lol
What about arsenal,s interest free loans from their shareholders
When I listen to Matt Lawson, I wonder how the heck did he get the job of Chief Correspondent, makes me realise Sports Journalist are not that smart
Letting teams spend what they wanted prior to the ffp rule was a joke ....at the time it sounded great teams like city swapping goater for Robinhio over night also Chelsea doing similar ....
Most of the teams under not so rich owners who were never allowed to spend or didn't have the funds to spend wouldn't care if city went out of the league
It was a fairer system than with FFP
They would care… cause the EPL has a trickle down monetary system. The lower teams and leagues benefit from the big team’s notoriety and world popularity.
If the big six leaves the EPL, the EPL would loose their current TV rights where most of their revenue comes from.
@@va3023big six ....only there because of early ownership spending power ...
❤ the quote ‘’not so rich owners “ ALL the club owners are multi millionaires or billionaires, I wish I was 50p behind anyone of them.
Football was fine without city at the top or even in the premier league.
Stadiums were full and amazing players still played and entertained fans before they got paid insane money.
English teams won in europe before the premier league was considered (by itself) as the "best league in the world".
Regardless of the premier leagues reputation, what league man city are in or who wins what trophies, I'll still support my team, you will still support yours, players will still play and our lives wont change what so ever
You just dont get it?? Lack of Brain Cells????
The rule book should be unanimously approved then (a) it will be non-discriminatory (b) there'll be no justification for legal challenges
So essentially, until man ciry gets exactly what they want, they are gonna derail the league for everyone else
You just dont get it?? Lack of Brain Cells???? Man U - Arsenal - Liverpool are brainwashing the other Idiots in the PL. How else can you explain that they get the rules changed in 5 days when Newcastle were getting new owners? Its not Man C or Newcastle that are ruining the PL but the Idiots in the other clubs desperatly trying to impose unlawful rules!
are you 10 or dont have enough critical thinking?
So City get to stop a bunch of incompetents from applying unlawful and prejudicial rules to all clubs in the PL simply to protect their old red-shirted buddies?
Something should be done about it eh?
@johnnylara same question could be asked of you.
Yep that's city in a nutshell.
I remember Simon saying that it will be a huge problem if the oil money takes over our sport and fans were phoning saying that don’t care as long as there clubs win trophies. There’s a bigger picture here. Much bigger than football.
leave? kick them out ffs
😂😂 if man city disappeared without a trace it wouldn't even effect 98% of football fans or clubs other than the league would be fairer.
If city don't like the Premier league they can leave. Simple.
Oh the irony.
God if city cant fill the emptyhad while they are winning premier leagues imagine the empty seats in another league 😂
Anyone thinking this is good news are bonkers the government will step in at some point and take control of this if it carries on the end of the beautiful game is near 😢
And then FIFA will suspend England for government involvement. Please note, FIFA has done similar to many African countries unless they want to show double standards, they don't suspend England.
lol
The beautiful game is already destroyed
Surely it is not relevant to say we do not want City out of the leauge as we do not want to lose Pep G and what they bring to the competition? They were happy for Everton and Forest and others to potentially drop out of the Premiership for PSR. Money and corruption!
Arsene Wenger saw this coming. Its why he pushed for FFP rules.
Legend
Then he saw how people were just circumventing it...
City are cheats..they act like politicians.. claiming victories when that's not the case.
Ffp is to protect the cartel. Nothing more
How it would be more competitive? Let's be resl until abu dhabi pay rolled it it was no bigger than Sunderland. Man city think they can do what they want ..stuck to the rules win on merit .
Too much money in the game but so many clubs in debt. Needs to be a salary cap. You need to refinance your mortgage just to see your team play every season 🙄
fun exercise. can somebody tell me a match were city were "cheated" by the refs. a single match. if it's not corruption than surely it must happen to city from time to time.
Since the introduction of VAR they`ve been shafted more than any other team the results are shown at the end of each season.
Man City v Newcastle this season
@@mitchellrice lol, explain. we might have a different opinion of what "cheating" mean. but explain
@johngggg Alan Shearer said it wasn't a penalty and I agree with him
have a vote kick them out. every saturday the team playing them dosent take the field
The Premier League exists to regulate the game, and make sure the rules are universal regardless of the club, and that technical rules are being implemented (undersoil heating, number of obligatory cameras on the grounds, safety regulations, and so on).
The Premier League has no Right to Manage Clubs, which is what they are attempting to do. How can clubs like Everton, Leicester, and Wolves be either in breach or have to sell their best assets not to be in breach of whatever the Premier League comes up with?
We have reached a point of no return, where the competition is being made impossible and imploded by a bunch of incompetents. I'm afraid the only way forward is to replace the Premier League with a new organism that knows its place and does not put its nose where it does not belong. While this is taken care of The Premier League should be made, by the clubs, to stick to technical regulations and stay out of finances, since it seems they know very little about the world of Capital and how/why it is invested in football, in this case. As an owner of various businesses, I can guarantee that most do not invest in sports (in my case auto racing) to make an immediate profit and not be dumping money. Prestige and brand recognition are the main reasons, and nobody, much less the incompetents running the Premier League, can put a price on that. Just imagine the next "Coca Cola" with zero brand recognition that invests in sports to be able to compete in its market. We are talking "Red Bull" and "Monster" here. How much money did they and are they still dumping to get brand recognition? After they had achieved it, then they started making money out of sponsorships and owning clubs/racing teams/aerobatic teams/American Cup teams, and so on. However, first they had to dump money, at huge losses. And that, my friends, is something people who don't run companies will never understand.
City know they’re going down for 115 so they’re trying to leave the prem in disarray before they go😂😂😂
Don’t be silly
Fantastic you can see into the future when's this ruling happening then you seem to know everything
Spot on theore city attack and sling mud the more trouble they are In
This is just a side show, more delaying tactics by MCFC to prevent the inevitable descent of the executioner's axe regarding the 115 charges.
No one would miss City
I would. They play the best football.
@@shango7942 😴
Don't worry Matt Lawson, in case you didn't notice at this point Man City OWN the Premier League. They ain't going nowhere.
False club anyway they would not be missed we still have traditional clubs like us Liverpool and arsenal
What's makes you more traditional than other clubs
@@andrewdegnen2624 oh there’s more I meant city
@@chrisprud7688 do tell us who are these false clubs then so basically everyone bar united arsenal Liverpool
@@andrewdegnen2624 no bore off now
@@chrisprud7688 can't name them then bye
If they are guilty then they are guilty, it's as simple as that. Same rules should apply for everyone.
Couldn't care less if pep and man city leave the league.
Can’t we all just get along? Life is about enjoying
Can do after cheating is sorted out.
@@jackmullin8962 dont take ⚽️ too seriously. There’s More to life
@@jinlondzale4191 stop giving them excuses it's meant to be fair competition! Your obviously a city fan. 🙄 fair enough. FA AND FIFA UEFA gonna kick you out the league anyway.
@@jackmullin8962 like I said, enjoy your short life. Don’t take ⚽️ too serious. Manchester City winning everything is not the end of the world.
@@jinlondzale4191 I don't care I'm a Real madrid fan lol 15 x champions leagues! 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆
Say 6 items on a charge sheet. The judge says. 1 of them is UNLAWFUL. Thats it the other 5 are thrown out. That is the law/ RULE
City won
Yup
Man City leaving EPL will end Premier League. EPL was nothing until City poured money to win their first PL title. This made PL competitive and TV money followed. Then with Pep they hired the best manager. PL revenues have kept multiplying since only die to City.
Premier league was equal and competitive before oil money
@@Perthaussiegooner don't know which Premier League you're watching., The English Premier League was neither quality nor competitive before until Chelsea (actual oil money) and City (actually not oil money) made it watchable and lucrative.
It's painful listening to Matt Lawson try and talk.
In the 1980s 90s Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal dominated, it's not fair that other clubs can knock them off their perch.
Not if they've done it with daddys cheque book
It is.... IF THEY OBEY THE RULES!!!!! 🙄
Man utd and Arsenal werent anything special in the 80s
United dominated. The others won sometimes
@kadiummusic 115 rules didn't exist when City got taken over, they wrote the rules right after then wrote a next set in 10 days of Newcastle.
If they”ve broken the rules on the 115, they must be punished regardless of whether they have De bruyne or Guardiola. Any other club would be, some already have been, and others must be too if they’re found guilty, no matter how rich and powerful they might be
This isn't about the 115
@@hughfawcett4333 the strategy will be linked into the other case to undermine the PL's position.
That’s not what City have ever said is it. They said they are innocent and welcome the investigation to put an end to the case once and for all.
If the PL hav bn corrupt and discriminatory on those 2 aspects, then they'r esually compromised in their build up of the 115 charges. The number is rediculous. They must certainly be duplicated multi fold
Oh whats this a threat to leave the league
Before being kicked out
Unbelievable toys out pram adiós Citeh
Where did City say that? 😂😂
Simon made a very good point...
Nike is pushing to sign Haaland for Barcelona.. Barça has signed a new Nike deal so They'll be returning to the LaLiga 1:1 rule which means Barça will return to transfer normalcy in 2025.. Haaland already wants to play for Barça and loves LaLiga so it'll happen
Save your life by keeping whispers unsaid 🤘🏼
Nike are going through a transition. Their recent world wide revenues are down. Many suspect they will cost cutting. CEO under pressure.
CHILL OUT FABRIZIO
Haaland wouldn't move to a smaller club. Mancity is bigger club than Barcelona.
As Conor McGregor once said: "Who the f*** is that guy"
Div 1 or Premier league …top flight football has always been a pond full of sharks. But using lawyers to battle the governing body for your own gain leaves a bit of a toxic taste in the mouth - which ever clubs choose that path
Man cheaty being relegated would be justice for years of cheating.
Screw them. They’ve already shown they have no respect for the integrity of the league or playing by the rules
City is the pl big dog now, whether you like it or not.. Just deal with it rivals
Big dog that is substantially less popular than spurs in Britain with a substantially smaller UK fanbase than West ham! Are you a new plastic fan from another continent?
Big dog😂
From being funded by a state..buying trophies with sugar daddy lottery 😂
Typical city delusion😂
Just look at those 2 crying .. I love the pain in your veins
@@GermanChickenwing crying 😂😂
They're facts and can't be denied.
Your delusion is very funny however 😂
@@GermanChickenwing because we are stating facts about a club that was irrelevant for over 40 years and sold its soul in 2008 to become a sportwashing puppet for Abu Dhabi! Not crying facts!