Was heavily debating going for Navia until a rerun but I absolutely love DPS characters who do crazy damage at C0. I also finally have an excuse to use The Unforged
Its really not, in this video he has to use food buff to crit consistently. This video is a nuke showcase, in normal circumstand you need to use a crit rate hat to compersate the lack of crit rate and that when her BiS and R5 Serpent Spine will start to pull a head of other 5 stars.
Hmm I don't think so, having to constantly eat food to get cirt rate is non efficient, her weapon obviously solves that unless you are really lucky with her crit stats
After testing many times I realize crit rate weapon for navia so important,she need a lot crit rate for doing smooth rotation also you need some er 140-150%,build navia with non crit weapon it so hard..
The unforged/WGS showcase is a bit misleading for damage showcase in this video. The crit ratio when using this weapon is 73.6/233.8 but you're using crit food so the real ratio would be 53.6/233.8. Realistically you wouldn't have this much of a high crit dmg on character like Navia event with crit dmg ascension due to the fact that most of her damage comes from her single shot elemental skill meaning you're gonna need good amount of crit rate compared to other characters; if your elemental skill doesn't crit, that's big dps loss. The only realistic way of getting 73.6/233.8 crit ratio is by using the hunter set but you'll be stuck with furina permanently if you choose to go that way.
yup, most Damage per screenshot video needs a common sense context to every viewer like - you need crit chance to make crit damage even work like I said common, but most people forget
This test isn't fair because you're using crit rate food, on Beacon it has 106/233 and on the others they're 75/233 (it has 75% CR only cuz it's using CR food), but a good and reliable WGS or Unforged build would never got that ratio, a good build with non-crit weapon can reach 75/150~170 maximum, it wouldn't do all that DMG at all mate.
Yes this is a nuke showcase, he even has to use crit rate food buff. In normal circumstand with balanced stats her BiS and R5 Serpent Spine is way better.
I do 73/231(prolly can squeeze a 80/250 with some more farming) with R2 Unforged, but it's a Furina + Marechausse Hunter, would be a headeache to get as much without it or C2
I know its a nuke showcase, but Sacrifical Greatsword is also an great weapon for good damage uptime and burst uptime. A little less screenshot damage, but I think its completely worth it for a 4 star weapon (especially at high refinement)
redhorn vs unforged, what should i pick for her? In previous videos u did say that redhorn is better but in this video unforged provide more dmg. Can u gimme some advice, thanks
@@longminhtran1265 redhorn is almost always better because the source for atk buff like benny, ToSD, and her own a4 passive buff is enough and with a 88cd you can get more crit in your artifacts
The thing is this video is really misleading when using unforged. The crit ratio this guy has is 73.6/233.8 but he's using crit rate food so actual ratio would be 53.6/233.8 which is gonna make you more likely to not crit most of the time. Consindering horrible artifact rng, most people will end up with higher crit rate and crit dmg below 200% when using attack weapon so this showcase is a bit misleading. Only realistic way for you to keep high crit ratio with attack weapon like unforged is using hunter 4 sets with furina.
You didn't balanced the crit ratio for the crit rate weapons, and since this comparison only showing one perfect hit and done, it's gonna favored crit dmg weapons and attack% weapons. Understandable this is casual comparison, and you don't have all the artifacts to adjust, but a big methodological flaw like that you should've at least mentioned it, because it's misleading. In real combat, WG and unforged gonna perform noticeably worse than crit weapons because the lack of crit rate is gonna affect them.
I have unforged r2, wgs r1, wgs r1, and red horn r1. red horn used by dehya, wgs by eula. so I have spare 1 wgs and 1 unforged r2. but... i lose 50:50. I hope I can get her early. T_T
This happend because of Furina, SS gives a bunch of DMG but with Furina that DMG different between her Sig and SS isn't will be shorten. I have RedHorn and SS5 and without Furina SS5 does more damage.
it actuallyheppened because he didn't account for crit rate on SS, he had over 100% while other weapons had 73% CR, if he compensated with more Cdmg it'd be more realistic@@neoperol
@@bladecoksuker yeah but you still need to balance out the amount of stats you have since having a crit rate weapon would generally let you use a piece that leans more on crit damage. you just need to take into account the amount of rolls of each substat get and make sure it has the same rolls but just distributed differently
hold up I need to see your artifacts 1 by 1, how tf did you get 95% crit rate and 233% crit dmg on your sets lol. I keep getting garbage artifacts wtf lol
Can u please make a compare video of her using songs of broken pines (Eula's weapon)...as i pulled for her weapon by mistake in her weapon banner (my first ever 10pulls in the weapon banner and got her weapon)
are you running a geo goblet? the r5 serpent might be better with attack sands or 2pc attck due to too much dmg% increase with geo res and furina buff?
Do you have song of the broken pines? I know the physical damage bonus is useless for her but the other two passive of attack % boost and high base attack might be useful, if you have the weapon can you tell me how much you hit with that character?
Raiden better for teams and if you get c2 with her signature then she is better than Navia. If you want a character that can hit hard by themselves at c0 through then go for navia. She hits 100k without buffs in the trials alone. Which is stronger than a c0 raiden burst once she gets built. She isn’t stronger than c2 raiden though
Between Gravestone, Redhorn, and skyward for me because I have all three…. BUT what I don’t have is Navia herself. 💀🤚 Hopefully enough to reach pity again for my guaranteed
I have the Unforged and Verdict but no Navia. I lost to Diluc around 40 pulls trying to get constellation for Rosaria and Candace, It's totally fine though coz I was already determined to skip Navia for Xianyun. Now I have Guaranteed Xianyun. I will get Navia next time.
@@MMOJACKX57Channel if her burst can gain the stacks. Maybe keep hold E and let the burst hit enemies then when enemies about to attack that can destroy her crystalize shield immediately release E so she can still get buffed from unforged stacks. Maybe can you do that test if that method possible and give us the dmg update if that works ?
There is no substitute for furina lol she gives unconditional 75% dmg and 100% at C1 to WHOLE team, she literally doubles your dmg.. If you have zhongli he can be used as a tenacity/geo shred buffer.
Was heavily debating going for Navia until a rerun but I absolutely love DPS characters who do crazy damage at C0. I also finally have an excuse to use The Unforged
this weapon maybe so good for navia now :)
finally my lvl 50 unforged will be used also it fits her aesthtic
Yeah same here, i got an unforged laying about and it seems to be real dang good for her
Dude when i R5 my Mistplitter for Ayaya i got R4 Unforged, laying in my inventory for like 1,5 years xD Finally can use it :D
same case here.... hahaha,,, f
this is the first character who does not cause a gag reflex with an unforged one in his hands)
hmm :D
Strangely that weapons fits both aesthetically and as damage weapon .... Suddenly I don't have that much reason to pull for her main weapon
It does when I have verdict and I compare them 💀
Finally I can use the unforget r2 I got during Ayaka rerun 😭😭😭
I have unforced r2 also lol and it’s been at 70 sitting in my locker unused for so long now I might actually level it ❤
people who lost their 5050 to unforged have been redeemed
They thought i was crazy, but The Unforged is such an overpowered claymore for the right user
The Unforged being only 5K under her BiS is a big surprise. I was thinking about pulling for her BiS but I am not so sure anymore lol.
Should've watched this before wasting 70 pulls to only get atlas
Not to mention Unforged fits her aesthetics better
Its really not, in this video he has to use food buff to crit consistently. This video is a nuke showcase, in normal circumstand you need to use a crit rate hat to compersate the lack of crit rate and that when her BiS and R5 Serpent Spine will start to pull a head of other 5 stars.
Weapon crit rate>>weapon non crit for navia,she Hungry crit
Hmm I don't think so, having to constantly eat food to get cirt rate is non efficient, her weapon obviously solves that unless you are really lucky with her crit stats
I got really unlucky on the weapon banner back then and ended up getting r3 Unforged. Now I finally got a use for it on Navia ❤
the unforged surprisingly fit her in every way. I love its look more than her BiS. Hope it'll get a rerun soon
so strong for her now :) !
After testing many times I realize crit rate weapon for navia so important,she need a lot crit rate for doing smooth rotation also you need some er 140-150%,build navia with non crit weapon it so hard..
not really i have 75/156 ratio with the event mega magic
n i use 2pcs golden 2pcs glad
Thank you for making this weapon dmg showcase! Exactly what I was looking for.
enjoy :) !
I have never been happier to have the Unforged. My Ayaka was sad when I first got it, but now my Navia is very happy
so strong for Navia now :)
The unforged/WGS showcase is a bit misleading for damage showcase in this video. The crit ratio when using this weapon is 73.6/233.8 but you're using crit food so the real ratio would be 53.6/233.8. Realistically you wouldn't have this much of a high crit dmg on character like Navia event with crit dmg ascension due to the fact that most of her damage comes from her single shot elemental skill meaning you're gonna need good amount of crit rate compared to other characters; if your elemental skill doesn't crit, that's big dps loss. The only realistic way of getting 73.6/233.8 crit ratio is by using the hunter set but you'll be stuck with furina permanently if you choose to go that way.
Good point, I was starting to seriously regret pulling verdict but the crit stat rly does make it so much more comfortable to use
well considering if you skipped the weapon banner and somehow get c2 it gives 36% crit rate for her elemental damage
@@mreatcoco I got c1 navia cuz I got lucky and got her twice in a ten pull 😭
@@oogabooga2525🫠
yup, most Damage per screenshot video needs a common sense context to every viewer
like - you need crit chance to make crit damage even work
like I said common, but most people forget
This test isn't fair because you're using crit rate food, on Beacon it has 106/233 and on the others they're 75/233 (it has 75% CR only cuz it's using CR food), but a good and reliable WGS or Unforged build would never got that ratio, a good build with non-crit weapon can reach 75/150~170 maximum, it wouldn't do all that DMG at all mate.
Yes this is a nuke showcase, he even has to use crit rate food buff. In normal circumstand with balanced stats her BiS and R5 Serpent Spine is way better.
I do 73/231(prolly can squeeze a 80/250 with some more farming) with R2 Unforged, but it's a Furina + Marechausse Hunter, would be a headeache to get as much without it or C2
Thanks for this video this is what I’ve been looking for!
:3 !
I know its a nuke showcase, but Sacrifical Greatsword is also an great weapon for good damage uptime and burst uptime. A little less screenshot damage, but I think its completely worth it for a 4 star weapon (especially at high refinement)
I just use WGS then put ER rope, really good quickswap gameplay
@@looots1320too much HSR huh? 😅
That said, its smart to use ER sands on WGS, it does have massive atk buffs after all
@@looots1320i love the hsr rope 😭
Love ur comparisons clear and simple.
thank u :3 !
@@MMOJACKX57Channelwhat artifacts did u use in this video?
Navia weapon DMG Comparison :)
redhorn vs unforged, what should i pick for her? In previous videos u did say that redhorn is better but in this video unforged provide more dmg. Can u gimme some advice, thanks
@@longminhtran1265 redhorn is almost always better because the source for atk buff like benny, ToSD, and her own a4 passive buff is enough and with a 88cd you can get more crit in your artifacts
@@longminhtran1265 unforged if you use zhongli , redhorn just better if you have good crit rate stats set
I've always wanted the mistsplitter so I tricked the weapon banner by selecting Navia BIS in the epitome and surprisingly pulled Mistsplitter instead.
So the Unforged is her 2nd 5* BiS? A lot of YT content creators are saying it's Beacon.
The unforced might do more damage but the beacon makes building her easy and she will be criting more but it all depends on your artifacts
The 22% crate helps a lot so you can farm less
beacon 33% cr
@@tearsch ah yeah typo
The thing is this video is really misleading when using unforged. The crit ratio this guy has is 73.6/233.8 but he's using crit rate food so actual ratio would be 53.6/233.8 which is gonna make you more likely to not crit most of the time. Consindering horrible artifact rng, most people will end up with higher crit rate and crit dmg below 200% when using attack weapon so this showcase is a bit misleading. Only realistic way for you to keep high crit ratio with attack weapon like unforged is using hunter 4 sets with furina.
You didn't balanced the crit ratio for the crit rate weapons, and since this comparison only showing one perfect hit and done, it's gonna favored crit dmg weapons and attack% weapons. Understandable this is casual comparison, and you don't have all the artifacts to adjust, but a big methodological flaw like that you should've at least mentioned it, because it's misleading.
In real combat, WG and unforged gonna perform noticeably worse than crit weapons because the lack of crit rate is gonna affect them.
my crit rate stats ~ 70 with mona C4 buff ~ 15% crit rate :)
Thanks for the comparison. I wonder how much dmg would the Serpent Spine do converting some of that excess Crit Rate to Crit Dmg
enjoy :)
Thanks a lot !
:3 !
Finally an use for my cursed R3 Unforged
it's time :3 !
Interesting I actually was lucky enough to get The Unforged 2x in a 10 pull early
wow :D
Thanks, very useful!
enjoy :3 !
I have unforged r2, wgs r1, wgs r1, and red horn r1. red horn used by dehya, wgs by eula. so I have spare 1 wgs and 1 unforged r2. but... i lose 50:50. I hope I can get her early. T_T
unforged r2 so strong for her now :) !
@@MMOJACKX57Channel yeah agree. thanks for the reply. really appreciate it. :)
i find it so funny the unforge manage to find an ideal character lmao
:)
I have R2 Unforged finally can put it to use, but its hard to get high crit rate T.T, are you using cdmg or crate hat
nice job
very informative thanks
:3 enjoy !
Wait so youre telling me tidal shadow at r5 is just better than r5 serpent spine... guess im switching my eula weapon
I think you should use zhongli instead of firina because in some showcase u healed her more compare to other
Can you make one more without furina
i have r2 unforged, should i pull for her weapon or use it? i have serpent spine too that i can use
maybe no need pull her weapon
i'm still curious about Verdict R1 vs Gravestone R1 vs Serpent R5
Verdict R1 still better than all ~ 10%
Finally my Unforged r2 ( from the famous Raiden weapon banner disaster ) have a worthy owner
raiden weapon disaster is so real… i still don’t have engulfing after unforged r2 LMAO
Same, I got r2 unforged from that instead of raidens weaopn. Guess I now have a character for it
I thought the gap between her sig and serpent spine is not much but I guess I will get her sig now.
This happend because of Furina, SS gives a bunch of DMG but with Furina that DMG different between her Sig and SS isn't will be shorten. I have RedHorn and SS5 and without Furina SS5 does more damage.
it actuallyheppened because he didn't account for crit rate on SS, he had over 100% while other weapons had 73% CR, if he compensated with more Cdmg it'd be more realistic@@neoperol
it's cause he overcapped on critrate and didn't compensate with crit damage, serpent spine is much better than shown here.
For the beacon of the reed sea, you had 106% crit rate maybe it’d be better to have more crit dmg on that weapon
That wouldn't be fair. The crit dmg needs to be the same as the other weapons for a valid comparison.
did you see the crit dmg on the redhorn stonethresher?@@bladecoksuker
@@bladecoksuker yeah but you still need to balance out the amount of stats you have since having a crit rate weapon would generally let you use a piece that leans more on crit damage. you just need to take into account the amount of rolls of each substat get and make sure it has the same rolls but just distributed differently
@@jrisj i think you missed the point. the point is to see which weapon performs better, so the atk and crit dmg needs to similar.
@@bladecoksuker is doesn't have to be exactly similar tho
Why everyone said Serpent Spine R5 full stacks is close to R1 Verdict???
They mean DPR, it's even better
unforge is useable now😂
hold up I need to see your artifacts 1 by 1, how tf did you get 95% crit rate and 233% crit dmg on your sets lol. I keep getting garbage artifacts wtf lol
There's something wrong with ur serpent spine showcase, you should try it again
Can i ask how much dmg ur serpent spine is doing? And what refinment
You are not using beacon passive, gives attack for 8 sec after damage with E, you had more than 8 sec between the first and second E
he also not using wgs passive
Can u please make a compare video of her using songs of broken pines (Eula's weapon)...as i pulled for her weapon by mistake in her weapon banner (my first ever 10pulls in the weapon banner and got her weapon)
Please compare "the Ultimate Overlord's Mega Magic Sword" also , out today on event
checkout my video : th-cam.com/video/JgzA3Q9qMZw/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgzBLyFKr5nFuXqGiEJ4AaABAg
Well I´m now using the Beacon, but I´m gonna search better artifacts to change to the Tidal, bc If change it now I'm going to fall short of prob
make another comparison with her full set main artifacts. i wonder how the dmg goes.
Didn't expected unforged THAT good. Dang, now im confused where should my primo and rate up goes since i have that weapon at r2 😅 navia or xianyun
If you want a dps ,go to navia,if you have xiao,then go for xianyun because xianyun buffs plunge attack
Xianyun seems like a luxury pull though. Would go for navia if you need a good dps and don’t have xiao already. Xianyun is too niche rn.
Navia dps at c0.. xinyun is support at c0
Thank you jack ! :3
enjoy bro :3 !
are you running a geo goblet? the r5 serpent might be better with attack sands or 2pc attck due to too much dmg% increase with geo res and furina buff?
my team bonus too much Atk :)
Sorry oot, but is itto good with verdict? And also, which one is the best for itto; verdict, serpent spine, or blacksmith
with itto maybe just good when you use Furina on team
@@MMOJACKX57Channel thanks bro!
Do you have song of the broken pines? I know the physical damage bonus is useless for her but the other two passive of attack % boost and high base attack might be useful, if you have the weapon can you tell me how much you hit with that character?
this weapon maybe A tier for furina
I happen to have the r5 grave and a r 1 unforged, can't really decide what to go with as they are so close...
Unforged Defo, fits her better visually and she can take full benefit of the passive
r5 grave probably outperforms it though@@YuriG1
@@Sielcen I was looking at people testing them out, they seem tô bê about even
Bro pls help which oke should i use r4 spine or r3 unforged for navia?
Who should i get, navia or yelan? I have aqua simulacra, i have wgs & unforged, i have geo team ready but no good dps except ning.
so hard to choose , all is T0 character
If WGS buff at 30% enemy HP, I think it will go higher than unforged
yeah , but not 100% time like this :) !
I have a question, is blackcliff or skyward pride better for navia?
blackcliff better DMG
Please, put img of the claymore with numbers on final vídeo... (Thx for comparison)
Thanks for the good info mate, I'll save some of my primo and use my unforged on her.
The first time I am glad that I have an the unforged.
S tier weapon for Navia now :D
I have wolf gra so do i need to top up for the BP ? Which one is better
Does damage caused passively by furina skill activate the beacon's passive?
maybe not
Between r2 unforged 66 cr 140cdm vs r5 s.spine 72cr 190cdm which one is better for navia?
i think 72 cr better
The unforget was stacked?
The her ultimate can stacking the unforget?
yeah
about damn time
:D
I lost her to diluc? Should I spend my guarantee on her or should I go for raiden Shogun.?
no idea , just pull character you want :)
Raiden better for teams and if you get c2 with her signature then she is better than Navia. If you want a character that can hit hard by themselves at c0 through then go for navia. She hits 100k without buffs in the trials alone. Which is stronger than a c0 raiden burst once she gets built. She isn’t stronger than c2 raiden though
Ehe i got unforge on its very last banner and i finnaly found a good owner for it
Between Gravestone, Redhorn, and skyward for me because I have all three…. BUT what I don’t have is Navia herself. 💀🤚
Hopefully enough to reach pity again for my guaranteed
I have the Unforged and Verdict but no Navia. I lost to Diluc around 40 pulls trying to get constellation for Rosaria and Candace, It's totally fine though coz I was already determined to skip Navia for Xianyun. Now I have Guaranteed Xianyun. I will get Navia next time.
Should I let her use Redhorn Stonethresher R1 or Wolf's Gravestone R1?
Wolf's Gravestone sometime i think better
Well , my redhorn will finlly have use
Tidal shadow r5 = five star claymore
maybe :) !
100cr vs 73cr.. genius
how tf can unforged deal more dmg than wolf R4 ?
May I know what's the best artifact for her with unforged?
maybe new set 4.3 , this is best dmg set , but with mix set you can choose good stats than 4 set
WGS is surprisingly good
The Unforge in finally is complete forged😂😂
Suitable for Navia ❤❤❤
so strong for Navia :) !
on unforged test weapon passive that increase attack while shielded already full stack ? Can her burst hit gain unforged stack ?
maybe need 2nd E for max stacks
@@MMOJACKX57Channel if her burst can gain the stacks. Maybe keep hold E and let the burst hit enemies then when enemies about to attack that can destroy her crystalize shield immediately release E so she can still get buffed from unforged stacks. Maybe can you do that test if that method possible and give us the dmg update if that works ?
Me have unforged, navia must pull
what would be a good substitute for furina in this kinda team?
There is no substitute for furina lol she gives unconditional 75% dmg and 100% at C1 to WHOLE team, she literally doubles your dmg.. If you have zhongli he can be used as a tenacity/geo shred buffer.
You can use navia as a carry in national team bennet-xiangling-xingqiu.
75-100% dmg bonus :) !
Thx for showcase ❤
:3 !
Wow, the unforged is the good choice.
I’m way too broke for weapon banners 😭
Bro you should’ve added skyward pride 😢 bcoz that’s the only thing I got
yeah , but DMG not too good :) , this weapon just good for Rotation ER + normal atk
Wolf grave stone is really good weapons 🎉🎉
yeah , Navia need more atk
test alone = good test ! test with team not good is depand teamates ...
how does your Furina gets healed with burst?🤔
use food bro :D
Is prototype archaic good too?
like A tier weapon
Do the unforged showcase have less crit rate than verdict?
verdict has 22% CR while unforged got atk%
Bro. I have unforget R3. What is good bro?
so strong bro , like S tier weapon for Navia with zhongli
tidal shadow r5 / serpent spine r5 / wolf's gravestone r1?
serpent spine r5 maybe easy for Crit build , tidal shadow r5 ~ wolf's gravestone r1
R5 Tidal Shadow can outperform R1 Serpent spine.?
maybe , but crit rate ss better
Is r1 redhorn better, or r1 wgs better overall?
i think same , but sometime wgs with good stats better
Could you do with song of broken pines😊
yeah but not too good
should I use wolf’s gravestone or the unforged (both r1)
Unforged
Unforged with zhongli so ez to use !
Redhorn or Wolf’s Grave?
maybe Wolf’s Grave
Great i have R2 unforged
time to use :3 !
AXE look good on Her .. 🙃
I don't have ANY of this weapon but I can make the Tidal Shadow
Wait the new Claymore (Event).
tidal shadow good with furina bennett team
@@navalhabr Imma save my primos as much as possible so Imma use a 4 star weapon
@@euriekun9420 No, i'm talking about the new FREE Claymore from the Event -> "Ultimate Overlord's Mega Magic Sword".
Love the signature one,but i lost to mistpliter
:3 !
Don't refine Mistsplitter, raise a copy instead
@@shikuri3178 wdym?
Mistplitter is op. Keep it 2 separately so you can put it on 2 sword users when time in need. @@afifsyahla8546
finally unforged is not useless
So strong for Navia now :) !
Wow Unforged difference with Verdict only 5k dmg 😂 i got unforged R2 so i think i dont need to pull Verdict anymore lol
just dmg bro , Verdict better with 22% crit rate :)
Thanks god i have the unforged
so good for Navia now :D
how about wgs r1? is it still above serpent r5 or not?
It definitely is
@@aimbot357Nope, R5 serpent is stronger than most 5 star claymores, it‘s busted
@@fainted8230 copium
then how bout serpent r1 & wgs r1?@@fainted8230
@@fainted8230 have you seen tests? Especially without Bennett