WWII U.S. and Commonwealth Victory Revolvers
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While the revolver was on its way out as a primary handgun by WWII, there were a large number of them used by all sides during the war. The US and its key allies used the S&W Victory Revolvers, among others. This was due mostly to a shortage of modern arms, countries simply couldn't make firearms fast enough so they resorted to using revolvers to supplement more modern fighting pistols like the 1911 or even the German P38. The S&W Victory revolver was based on an 1899 design which would later become the Model 10. We also take a brief look at a Webley Mk IV, Enfield No, 2 and Colt M1917.
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I hope he knows, he poisons the environment by shooting that many lead bullets.
Where do you think lead comes from? Aliens? Perhaps you think it’s made in a laboratory? No, we dig it out of the ground. I’m putting it back where we found it.
I wish I could give Tim the biggest high five right now.
Arno Schmidt I'm sure you don't drive a car, you grow all your own food, don't own a phone, don't live in a house or do anything that "hurts the environment" far more then shooting does.
Hahahaha! Schmitty’s wife is probably that lady that thought her water was polluted because the mist spray from her lawn sprinkler cast a rainbow on a sunny day.
*T O T A L B R U T A L R E K T*
We are SUPER late to this, however we appreciate the shout out MAC!
That’s a sweet holster you guys make. Might be picking up a few soon
I found one of these buried in my front yard while I was landscaping. Been there for untold years. Cylinder still works,grips rotted away.
kalishnakova86 that's pretty cool. You never know what your gonna find. All I've found in my yard thus far is dog shit.
Cool story bro
You can easily find replacement grips online. Nice find
I cleaned it up really good and have it on my fireplace next to a old doughboy helmet I already had hanging up.
@@tetlow2 whenever I don’t find dog💩 in my yard, my lawn mower always finds it for me!
One thing to consider when buying these is that a good portion of the Lend Lease Victories were brought back to the US and rechambered in .38 Special which is a problem as Tim showed the bullet for the .38 special is smaller than the .38/200. If it says .38 special, make sure the barrel legnth is correct (shorter barrel). Other indications that it isn't a rechambered gun is a flaming bomb proof mark next to the V, and a mark behind the cylinder indicating what contract the revolver was made under (the P on mine means Army contract... I forgot what the letter is for Navy contract).
Great informative post. Pinned for future reference for viewers.
I have one but instead of V it has WB 5" barrel with importers stamp. It is chambered in .38 S & W
Milsurp Mike Channel candrsenal.com/pistol-u-s-victory-revolver/
We have several of these revolvers plus some Webley’s and a few others. My Father is a revolver and military collectible aficionado.
Keep up the good work my friends.
Bert Shackleford great stuff. Thanks.
Milsurp Mike Channel thank you!
Actually based on the M&P Hand Ejector Model of 1905(3rd Model) 4th Change. The V is actually part of the serial number. The very first Victory models continued the original serial number range starting in the high 900,000 range. When the serial numbers rolled over they added the V prefix. The 380-200 was actually loaded fairly close to .38 Special power levels. But US .38 S&W power levels have always been more conservative due to the large number of inexpensive break-action revolvers that were sold in the late 19th and early 20th Century. You can hand load .38 S&W to higher levels for use in the solid frame Smith and it will hit a lot closer to the point of aim.
A few years ago, I was lucky enough to walk into a gun shop and find a post-war M&P .38 special. The finish was near perfect. There was no way I was going to walk out the door without that beautiful revolver.
Tim, thank you so much for this video. My grandfather passed away last week. He was a WW2 vet, being a nose gunner in a B-24 bomber. This was the pistol he was issued. Seeing this video pop up was nice to see, and I’m glad the sidearm my grandfather used is in one of your videos.
Love the World War Supply merch. Decent replacement for the old Pacific Coast Canvas and Leather gear that used to be the GOAT before they ceased.
I always think of the Band of Brothers part where the sheriff gives the airborne trooper a revolver and tells him to givem hell.
Great video as always!
Same!
Revolvers are deadly guns. Simple, reliable, and cheap.
@@danielaramburo7648 Cheap? Hardly.
Smith and Wesson also developed a model 1917 in 45 ACP for use in both World Wars
They come out with another run sporadically. I have a stainless one with a 4" barrel.
Found one of these a few years back at a gun shop for only $250. I definitely picked that up. She’s a lil beat up but still shoots straight
38/200 and 38 S&W are both pretty efficient cartridges with lead projectiles. Black powder like pressure curves and short brass kinda go together. Shoot a nice tight break top in 38 Smith and you'll see why they were popular. They were the .380 of their time.
A BIG thumbs up Tim..! "ten more years.. ten more years... ten more years...!" =)
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I have a Victory .38 Special stamped US NAVY with paperwork from S&W detailing the mfgr date and where it was shipped. It has matching numbers (except for the grip panels), doesn't have the new trigger (not drop-safe), and appears to have been fired so rarely as to have never actually been issued. It's probably the finest shooting pistol I own, bar none. The last time I took it to the range I hit 3" diameter targets at 25 yards with ease. I was surprised to realize I was issued a Victory while flying SAR during Urgent Fury (HS-15, CV-62) - this same pistol except with a 2" barrel, specifically for flight crews. I needed a holster for it so I can carry it 'round the farm, so thanks for the holster tip!
My uncle joined the Texas Highway Patrol in 1930. It was their first class and I have his badge, #22. The unique thing about their uniforms were the shoulder patches. The center of the patch contained their badge number. In 1941, he left the Highway Patrol and became the Captain of the security guards for an oil field equipment company in Houston that was making war material for the Army. He was issued a new"Victory" model in 38 special with 4 inch barrel. When he retired in the 1960's the gun was given to me. He said he never fired it, and to this date, neither have I. I enjoy your channel.
Waste of a good pistol with it never being fired but it does maintain collector value
I did some work on a S&W model-10 2 weeks ago chambered in 38-200. I Learned some new things in this video!
Thx I learned something today. Love History keep up the good work.
Thank you and thanks for the support!
I just acquired a S&W Victory model with Parker Hale England front sights. It is drilled for 38 Special. It has after-market target grips. It has been re-blued and is nice and smooth. Trigger pull is very light SA and 10 lb. in DA. It also has a five inch barrel.
always a good video.
I'm a revolver nut so of course I loved this video. Colt and Smith & Wesson .45acp were used with the 3 round moon clips. However I have one for you to check out Tim, the Colt commando. I am the proud owner of one, it's basically a parkerized .38 special Official Police. From what I have found it was issued to civilian guards and M.P.'s protecting bases and other facilities in the U.S.
I love it. I love old S&W revolvers.
This video has been up for a while so I do doubt anyone will read this or care much of what I write here. The British Army service revolver in the First World War was the .455 Webley. This rugged revolver was reliable but found to be hard for average shooters to accurately shoot without a large amount of practice to condition the soldier to the heavy recoil of this revolver. So the British in the very beginning of WW2 decided it needed a .38 caliber revolver. The .455 Webley was completely impracticle to issue as a service revolver for all the British and Common wealth countries. Remember, when we say "British forces" we are taking about Canada, New Zealand, Australia, India, Rhodesia, South Africa and other Commonweath countries. The S&W .38/200 has a relatively slow velocity. The 200 grain bullet does not go through the human torso but leaves all its kinetic energy within the targeted enemy human body. The bullet can pancake or flatten out leaving a large damaging wound cavity. The British authorities performed extensive human cadaver and animla testing with the S&W .38/200. The British found out the .38/200 round to be the perfect low recoill man stopper.
The British Army and other services had to train huge numbers of people quickly with a revolver that was tough, reliable, accurate but easy on the recoil. Many service members just needed a service revolver around for his or HER personal protection. The British had to train large numbers of women too. So a low recoil revolver was needed for a woman with smaller hands to be able to be trained quickly and efficiently. Remember most of these service people had to carry a revolver for security or for their own survival in a combat zone. But these service members had other duties to perform such as pilots, mechanics, military police, guards, office workers, truck drivers, and other rear area people who occassionally found themselves in the front lines. However,the British Army and Royal Navy also carried the S&W .38/200 for tank crewmen, aircraft pilots, lorry drivers, military police, naval personnel, sailors and others who needed a revolver in combat situations. The paratroopers in the British Army used the same S&W .38/200 or the Webley .38/200 version revolver too. The British found an excellent revolverr that could stop a human enemy but was easy to train massive numbers of people in a short time. The British Empire forces issued over 970,000 S&W .38/200 revolvers during WW2. The British Army used this same revolver into the 1960's.
The moral of the story here is the United States should have made the S&W .38/200 our revolver too. The British are very smart about everything they do. We should have realized the .45 caliber Colt M1911 is very hard for average shooters to master. The .38/200 round is an excellent man stopper developed out of concern with the issues of .38 caliber pistol rounds stopping a human enemy in other previous wars. It is far easier to train massive volumes of regular people who have NEVER shot handguns on a lighter recoil handgun like the .38/200. Large numbers of women have to be trained to shoot while they are on active duty. Women with smaller hands can't comfortably shoot an M1911 .45 caliber Colt pistol. Most people with other jobs like clerks, truck drivers, pilots, and others with demanding jobs don't have the time to screw around cleaning and maintaining the extra demands required of a semiautomatic pistol. Most people who carry guns in their professional lives just need a simple, reliable and easy to shoot handgun that will stop a human threat in a self defense or combat situation. The lighter recoil British .38/200 got the job done for these kind of regular shooters who don't care much about firearms.
Other rear areas also used revolvers. My dad was a Marine radar engineer stationed on Eniwetok. He was issued a Colt Army Special .38.
I'm "patiently" waiting for a friend of mine to finally part with his Navy stamped Victory model. They are really neat pieces of American history.
It’s wild to think that I’ve been watching since I was 13. You guys were really the first gun channel I watched a lot of back when it was Sturmgewehre. Congratulations on 10 years
Thanks Max! That means a lot. Shoot me an email to tim at coppercustom dot com and mention this post.
My favorite WW1 and WW2 revolver is the M1917
There was also a Pre-Victory series. Before the war Smith was going bankrupt and contracted to make 9 mm submachine guns for the British. Unfortunately Smith manufactured the guns with the wrong size 9 mm. The guns wound up in the Thames and the Brits wanted something in return. Smith chambered roughly 100,000 revolvers in the 38 S&W and sent those. After America entered the war, it became the Victory revolver.
I have a Pre-Victory that was surplused, had the barrel shortened, was nickel plated and was re-chambered for .38 special. You can tell if the gun is re-chambered for .38 special by looking inside the cylinder to see if there are two rings. On the outside of the barrel though, it will say 38 S&W.
I have one of those Pre-Victory revolvers, with Australian proofs. It was in horrible shape, so as part of the refurb I installed a proper Model 10 .38 Special cylinder and a .38 Special barrel.
These videos are your best. You enjoy making them and we enjoy learning from them. Keep em coming please!
Thank you. I do enjoy making them. 👍
Very cool Tim, thanks for sharing these beauties... :-)
I've missed you brother. Any day we get a MAC video is a better day than it would have been otherwise. Hang in there friend. We're with you.
Thanks brother.
.38 sw is .361 instead of.357, the .38 special is a longer version of .38 long colt.
Why did SW make a round based on a colt round? Army was unsatisfied with the.38 long colt during Spanish-American war and SW was hoping to get a military contract for the new .38 special that could also fire the.38 long colt round.
If the army had never adopted the .38 long colt there's a good chance SW would have made a longer version of.38 sw instead
A few years ago I purchased a pre Victory model made for the Brits in 38/200 and later converted to 38 Special by Birmingham Armory(?) for sale to the civilian market. I got it from a lady selling her fathers guns. He was a Marine and reportedly used the pistol to compete. The conversion was very good but on close inspection you can see the inserts in the cylinders for the smaller diameter rounds.
USAF issued S&W Model 15 Combat Masterpiece in 38 Spl. to Air Police / Security Police from about 1957 to well into the 90s when transitioning to the Beretta M9.
The ammo usually issued was 130gr Winchester FMJ with the bullet set back and crimped into the case and loaded to very hot +P or even +P+ levels.
These are awesome revolvers! The S&W Model 10 is like it. Straight up no bullshit service revolvers.
Love my British model. 38/200 round is so slow I can see the bullet strike the steel target, lots of fun! Nice video, love the classic pieces..
I have the victory model 38 and it shoots like a dream. I love older revolvers
I just bought a Victory with a 2.5 in barrel at an auction. Paid 170 for it. Good parkerizing and mechanically new. Barrel appeared to be cut down and the lanyard swivel was cut off. Barrel cut off right at the SW C.T.C; cutting into the last letter. On the left side of the barrel is stamped .38 special. Has the British markings on the cylinder
My internet research on different message board conversations indicates that several were brought back for resale, and modified for what they thought would be more acceptable to the American buyer. changed to .38 spl, short barrel and no swivel Let’s face it, shooting a handgun with a lanyard swivel is kinda like riding a girls bike.
The gun is great, so if you come across a short barrel Victory, it likely isn’t a cobbled up repair but actually a neat part of the Victory story.
Hang in there guys. Love the old wheel gun . Super awesome.
Picked myself up a canadian marked one in 38/200. Our mps carried them. After my grandfather returned from Holland he was in the provost corps (mp) and used one. Such an accurate gun. Bought a mk2 hand ejector in .455 to go with it.
I'm impressed how the barrel doesn't even twitch when he hits an empty cylinder. CONTROL.
Army chopper pilots were still being issued revolvers in the late 70's. We also had M3 grease guns for the tankers.
If it ain't broke...
Very cool, used to be you could find these for fairly cheap at gun shows (like every other damn thing lol). My first wartime revolver was the Colt Commando, 38 special, made during WW2. Mine is kinda odd...and I have a factory letter proving it was a Commando, but the barrel is an "Official Police" barrel. The front sight is a little different, but the parkerizing and wear matches the rest of the gun. "US PROPERTY" written down the backstrap (haven't seen that on other examples), flaming bomb on the left just behind the cylinder release. Delivered to the "Chief Counter Intelligence Officer" on October 21st, 1943, in a shipment of 700 guns. I obtained an original Commando barrel for it, but I keep it as is for now.
That trigger control in the slow motion, good video and I am happy I got an add as well
I was under the impression that military personnel were issued weapons and didn’t have much choice. The military wouldn’t want to units armed with multiple different caliber weapons. I was also under the impression that the Victory name was because wartime guns were blued(parkerized) and finished to a lower standard and S&W didn’t want these guns to harm their reputation. I believe Webley marked their wartime guns as wartime production as well to protect their reputation.
They’re terrific, thanks for sharing these 👍🏼
It's rare when MAC does a revolver video, so to see one is always a treat.
I only have a thing for military revolvers for their historical significance.
Can you do a vid on the St. Etienne Lebel 8mm? thanks
I am so glad you did a vid on the Victory model, I became interested in them a few months ago & plan on picking 1 up soon..... should look good next to my vintage Colt Official Police
The thinking behind the .38-200 was based on double action point shooting with a revolver. Rather than spend time training people to shoot with the heavier .455 Webley round, the lighter round meant that it was easier for people to learn to point shoot and handle the lighter recoil of the .38-200. This was especially the case in a large military where A. Pistols weren't seen as overly important, B. the thinking had gone from a single round man stopper to point reaction shooting where several rounds would be shot into an immediate threat and C. with a large number of people to train and get rounds on target in a combat situation with a lighter round. It can easily be argued that the round was weak for the job and that you could move up a bit, but, on the other hand as demonstrated here, the Enfield revolvers shoot rather nicely in double action and will shoot better for more people than a heavier chambered gun.
The rounds were also loaded hotter back in the day. Modern 38 S&W is purposely downloaded to be safe in old American top break revolvers.
Hey Tim, just an FYI I got a NRA ad before this video lol.
Just use adblocker. I have been using it since MAC got demonetized, and I love not seeing the BS ads and just support MAC on Patreon.
Stelio Effrena I use the TH-cam app I don't know how to use an ad blocker, unfortunatey.
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Great video man, thanks!
The M1917 Colts and S&W's DID see front line service. You will often see photos of M1917's being used by USMC in the Pacific. There were even M1917's(and occasional S&W M&P/Model 10's) used in Vietnam as there were some USMC "tunnel rats" who preferred using revolvers in the dirty, close-quarter tunnel environment.
I just bought the pre ww1 holster for the new service revolver from world war supply. I’m excited it comes this week.
Wow good timing! I was just looking at an Enfield revolver on my local shops site.
I have read that naval pilots preferred the revolvers since they had an easier time qualifying with the .38. Also, they believed the revolvers would hold up better if they had a ditch in the water.
Beautiful holster.... just ordered mine from WWS, thank you!
Holy crap Mac doing a revolver video.. nice we want more
The 38/200 doesn't fit, because it's a larger diameter round. Even the bullet is slightly larger .361 vs .357.
The 38 Special was actually developed from the 38 long/short colt line if cartridges. A 38 long colt would fit.
I believe the colt 1917 in .45 auto used moon clips to facilitate both loading and ejection of spent cartridge’s
Love seeing the old stuff.
An excellent video, and a great look at some beautiful revolvers of the Second World War! I think it also should be noted that the U.S. Army's dissatisfaction with revolvers seems to have stemmed from a dissatisfaction with the performance of the .38 Long Colt round AFAIK. .38 special largely mitigated those complaints.
It did, but the U.S. Army never used the .38 Special as a standard, they replaced the .38 Long Colt with the .45 ACP, during the Moro Rebllion, the Army quickly brought out older Colt Single Action Army revolvers chambered in .45 Colt in the emergency for more powerful weapons.
The British wanted .380/200 revolvers because the Webley Mk IV revolver was so chambered. They had lots of ammunition for it and didn't want to complicate the supply problem with a second and rather similar cartridge.
No, the Webley revolvers were not used as it was all they could get. The British Army changed issue revolvers in 1922, replacing the .455 caliber revolvers (also Webley) due to the perception of effectiveness and ease of training new troops. (Personally, I prefer the larger cartridge, but they didn't ask my opinion.)
.380/200 and .38 Special are similar but clearly - as noted in the video - dimensionally different. The .380/200 bullet is officially .361" in diameter, a whopping .003" greater than the .38 Special. In practice it seems to not matter much, if any. The case however is somewhat larger at the base and rim (or flange, if one is British) than the .38 Special. The base on the .38 Spl is .379"; the .380/200 base is .386" and the .007" difference in the chambers will not allow entry.
Many of the non-lend/lease revolvers were also chambered in .38 S&W or .380/200 (same cartridge, different loading of bullet). When sold as surplus many of those .38 S&W chambered arms were "re-chambered" to .38 Special to improve the salability of the arm. In fact, all that was really done was to deepen the chamber so the thinner .38 Spl round would fit. The individual chamber was still a bit wider than it should to properly hold a .38 Special. So the "I can fire both in my revolver" claim is likely correct, but isn't really prudent. It will not cause a catastrophic failure, but it will play hob with the brass.
The revolvers shown are pretty well up to S&W standards of the time - except for the finish. It is a variation of the .38 Hand Ejector from the turn of the Century.
The 38/200 won't fit in a .38 special is because a 38/200 bullets diameter is 0.380 vs a .38 special being 0.357
The reason that .38 S&W won’t fit in a .38 Special is because the .38 Special was a lengthened version of the .38 Long Colt cartridge.
Another great review Tim and thanks for educating me about these awesome revolvers. I love revolvers and i would love one in 9mm, but they're pretty expansive right now. MAC for life
Thanks for the support. The sad part is that they're not getting any less expensive. The longer you put off buying the classic you want the more it's ultimately going to cost. 😬
Yep, your right Tim. The same thing with Browning Hi-Power's. They cost almost 1000 dollars now.
I had a case of Brit 38/200 (jacketed) once and while I never chronographed it I can tell you it felt a lot hotter then the anemic .38 S&W you can buy today. I think that has something to do with factory loading low so it won't blow up old Iver Johnson, Hopkins & Allen and H&R top-break pocket revolvers. Recoil-wise it certainly felt more like .38 Spl. than .38 S&W rounds.
This is an *awesome* viddy!! I just love the WWII era weapons -- from all sides!!
Another revolver that saw some WW2 military use in both the US and England was the Colt Official Police. Specifically, it was Colt's version of a S&W M&P Victory and it was called the Commando. Like the S&W also, it was chambered in .38 Special for America and .38 S&W for England, mostly issued to intelligence services and defense plant guards.
Great vid. So cool. I love history!
Thank you very much!
My memory is kind of blurry but I do seem to recall the .38/200 British military loading being a substantial heavier bullet than .38 special. Energy wise the 158 grain .38 special and 200 or 178 grain .38/200 were pretty similar. I do think logistics had much to do with the British clinging to the .38/200 though, they probably had stocks of it on hand and factory that could easily produce more.
That is the reason the Brit's stuck with .38 S&W. Based on economics. They had a ton of that ammo on hand.
Great vid. Ive got a mfg1944 victory in 38s&w. Love it right now have the lighter s&w ammo. In the future want to cast 200's and load my own. 👊👊🇺🇸
I think the revolver was preferred by naval and Marine aircrew (up through the 1970s) was that it was considered more tolerant to salt-water immersion. The long contact surfaces of the M1911 were considered to be more likely to lock up from rust.
When you have two Ruger GP 100's in 357/38, one being the Grand Champion. The 38acp feels good after a day shooting one of these, then a S&W model 10 and maybe your Ruger LCPX in 38. You learn to love the 38. Yes, i do shoot my 9mm & 10mm guns.
One thing to point out about your repro holster is that none of the originals came with cartridge loops from the factory. Any original holster of that type used by the U.S. military that has cartridge loops had them added at some point most likely by a user. The cartridge loops were such a popular customization that people think that they were always there. Can't say I wouldn't prefer to have them anyway, they do make perfect sense given the lack of speedloaders at the time in military inventory. Love these great little revolvers, mine is Navy marked, but was transferred to a Civil Defense organization, likely before it ever made it to the Navy's hands beyond perhaps a warehouse.
Nice slo-mo of the double action shooting. Very good technique BTW. Both those calibers are very nice. 200gr. LRN in .38 S&W doesn't really travel fast enough to expand so the whining about Geneva convention was pretty much BS.
The S&W hand ejector is legendary. Would love one in .32-20.
Can you do a video showing the stopping power of the .38 super? I know the original Thompson machine gun was chambered in it but the us requested the .45 because of a surplus of ammunition. Just wanted to see how the .38 super stacked up against the .45. Thanks.
I'd love to get my hands on a revolver like one of these. Huge fan of Mil-Surps, even those old revolvers. Managed to find one of those 1895 Nagant revolvers though, now that gun there has some light recoil.
I have a lend lease gun that was rechambered to .38 special, blued, and factory s&w grips were put on it. Has all of the English markings on it.
I have a early victory .38 special. The best I can figure it was produced in early 1942 for fixed sights it's dead accurate. Lock up and timing are very good. It still has a lot of life in it
gary mccausland does yours have the checkered handgrips 4 inch barrel chambered in .38 s and w. I inherited one early war and it’s super rare.
@@gavinm1347 yup that's the one, only now it has a 5 inch (British) barrel. The forcing cone cracked on the original barrel. On the upper left side of the frame above the cylinder it should be stamped with The Flaming 💣 Bomb and then U.S. property G.H.D. which stands for Guy H Dewey. Who was the government purchasing agent. Enjoy
gary mccausland mine has a bunch on symbols of a crown and letters BNP. I did some research and found it was mostly likely from South Africa royal troops. The messed up part was my grandfather thought it was his uncles police weapon for 50 years only for me to debunk it 😂.
@@gavinm1347 WOW a lot of those revolvers went all over the world so being brought back into the U.S. makes it a important (go figure) the markings on it don't lie. If you sent the serial number, a couple of pictures and $100.00 to the Smith & Wesson historical Society they will tell you when it was made and to who it was sent to. Either way you have a one of a kind piece. I'm sure you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine
gary mccausland I actually haven’t got to shoot it yet but I did full cleaning for grandfather. I think I will get the chance to in the summer, that is if I can get some .38 standard. You’re lucky u have a .38 special
NRA commercial before the video. YT has mental issues
They just don't know me and the NRA are broken up. 😂
Doom YT hates guns and fun not money
All liberals have mental issues.
Sweet pistols, thanks for sharing them with us :)
Found it strange that TH-cam is running a NRA add before MAC's Channel if only what is said in that add were true. GOA will support our rights support the GOA
I gotta 38 Colt that shoots 38 S&W and 38 Short Colt it was made in 1938 and was owned by my great grandfather who's brother rode with Pretty Boy Floyd
Excellent video...
I wouldn't call it a Model 1899. With the passive hammer block, it would more appropriately be a Model 1905, 4th Change. Later V-Serial Victory Models also received an improved hammer block safety after a Navy sailor was killed by a dropped revolver.
The troops on the front probably would have been better off with the m1917 considering the reliability problems the 1911 has often suffered from. There was a reason American police officers rarely carried the 1911 in the 50's, 60's and 70's.
Personally, if I couldn’t get a hold of a m1911, I would not mind the m1917 revolver.
Both have that .45 acp, so I would be fine with either.
I have one of the lend lease models that was used by the South African Police after the war, and they used the lead bullets until the guns were replace by Walther P4 variant of the P38 in the 70's.
Well, I responded to the wrong comment, damn my new IPad
Man old military wheel guns! The Colt may be my favorite.
The .38 Smith & Wesson cartridge will not fit in a .38 Special cylinder! Thanks for the video on two classic revolvers!
sure it will, just like a .38 special will fit in a .357. It's a a 38/200 that is too big of an outside diameter. Just avoid the lend lease pistols if you want a shooter.
I love the Enfield and Webley revolvers. I would like to own one.
So many made but nowhere in sight I'd love one too
Gentugo They are excellent revolvers. I have both in my collection.
They wont fit because the 38/200 is a "real" .38, the 38 Special is .357, they measure the rounds differently, but that would take a few paragraphs to explain.
It would be sweet if you could do something on the old webley fosbery semiautomatic revolver
I so wish I owned one!!
Awesome video
Great video.
The 38 s&w guns made for the brits is technically not a model 10 in 1957 it became known as the model 11
Those are beautiful guns.
The .45 ACP was a rimless cartridge. That’s why they won’t eject. The military used half moon clips. The clips substituted for the rim, and had the added advantage of acting as a speed loader. Just drop two clips in the cylinder and you are good to go.
.38 Special is actually caliber .355 (same diameter as 9mm).
I don't remember who said it, but some mobster back then said the ".38 Special will crack any body armor". Pre-Kevlar, of course.
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