In regards to whether or not the tribulation saints attend the supper of the Lamb, I always think about how they ask God for vengeance which won't be completed until after the second coming. They are told to wait and I always assumed they would continue waiting below the altar. Great job pastor, really enjoy your teachings.
You have to remember that in Jewish custom the marriage supper occurs after the marriage, as it says the bride presents herself. So if this feast occurs at the end of the tribulation, just prior to his return then those killed during the tribulation may be called to the feast.
I've noticed awhile ago that post trib people are a very judgemental lot. whereas pre tribers don't hold post tribers argument as heresy, The post tribbers do, and get very heated up on a pretribers stance.
The Christian is not appointed to God's wrath, so when does God's wrath start? According to Joel 2:31, "The sun will be darkened and the moon turned to blood BEFORE the coming of the Great and terrible Day of the Lord." Jesus in Matthew 24 says, "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon not give its light." Some pre-trib believers answer this by saying according to Peter, "The day of the Lord comes as a thief..." So it has to be pre-trib. Then they say there will be a day of the Lord to start the seven-year period, and then near the end there will be the signs in sun and moon and THEN the great and terrible Day of the Lord Joel is talking about. The problem with this is Peter says, "The Day of the Lord comes as a thief, the heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will melt in fervent heat, and the earth and all its works will be laid bare. If as according to the Bible the anti-christ is honoring his treaty with Israel until the mid-point of Daniel's seventieth week, how could there be the total destruction Peter talks about. How could there be a temporary peace with the heavens (atmosphere) disappearing, the elements melting in fervent heat and the earth being laid bare. Also, Jesus talking about the time of great tribulation says there will be false messiahs, wars and rumors of wars, and you will be hated by all nations for my namesake, and you will be handed over to the authorities to be beaten, tortured, and even put to death. He then says "Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation as spoken of be Daniel the prophet, flee. If the warning sign is the mid-point of Daniel's seventieth week, then the tribulation has to be after the mid-point. I know this is technical and somewhat difficult, but get your Bible out and check out what I have stated. Is it true?
God's DAY....DAY ..DAY...of the Lord. Isaiah 63:4, “For the DAY of vengeance is in mine heart, and the YEAR of my REDEEMED is come.” Revelation 14:3, the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were REDEEMED from the earth.”
Agree. Marriage supper is for bride which is the church. We're given glorified bodies at the rapture and have different garments at the supper. Ours are fine linen bright and white. The rest have robes and are guests to the wedding guessing that's old testament and tribulation saints who don't have glorified bodies until the return.
@@jamescole3152there's definitely a pre trib rapture. There's definitely a marriage supper and there's definitely wedding guests who are invited to the wedding. A bride isn't invited to her own wedding. There's a thought that there's two different weddings. One with the Lamb and the Bride in Heaven. Then one with Israel and the Father in the millennial kingdom.
The thousand year reign is promised to the saints that overcome the Mark of the beast Revelation 20 4 seven descriptions 1 Thessalonians 5 10 whether we wake or SLEEP
I've not listened to this video, but I u/stand the scripture to teach that, while the marriage to the Lamb takes place in heaven along with the Bema, the marriage SUPPER doesn't take place till we return to earth, where the OT saints & tribulation saints will be our honored guests.
@@Kman. That makes perfect sense thanks I just watched another great video with scripture to support that also I'm settled with this piece of the puzzle fitting perfect ❤️
I want to point out that the timing of the rapture is important. Not to be teaching things that are not true. Read this. 2 Timothy And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. So just preach the truth. The rapture is AFTER the tribulation, which is the wrath of Satan. The wrath of God follows the rapture/resurrection. The church will see the Man of Sin before the rapture. Paul said so.
No the church is not gone or raptured by Rev 6:1. The church is on the earth. What the pre trib teachers do is try to convince people there are 2 churches. But there is only 1 church. Here is the church on earth. Not in heaven. Mat 24 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs 9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. Rev 17 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement. Rev 13 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. Rev 13 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. Rev 20 Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Notice this is the first resurrection. Not the second resurrection. There was no pre trib rapture, it is a lie. The rapture is pre wrath of God.
You are showing the death of the martyrs during the Harlot System and the deaths of martyrs during the beast kingdom. The rapture would have already happened and is symbolized as a firstborn son who would receive the birthright blessing not as a bride. The wedding supper is later after Christ has reaped or gathered all that his his. The raptured, those martyred, those resurrected.
The 24 elders are the first rapture. Revelation 4:4 also listen to their new song. Look at the words in Revelation 5:8-10. The words show they were taken from the earth. V.9 "and have redeemed us to God by your blood, out of every tongue and people and nation". These are not angels as some say. V.10 "and have made us kings and priest to God, and we shall reign in earth." These are some who will reign on earth during the Millennium with Christ Jesus! Much love.
Yes we are not appointed to wrath! Yeshua is the one that opens the seals and pours out His wrath! Revelation ch 6 vs 16 and 17, wrath of the Lamb. Yeshua the bridegroom would not beat His bride up! I cannot understand how pastors miss the part on who is pouring the wrath. God bless
LOL. Show me one verse that says the first 5 seals are the wrath of God? The first 5 seals are the tribulation for the church. The church is on the earth. ********A quiz for all the pre tribbers.******** Mat 24 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. Is this the wrath of God? Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs 9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. Is this the wrath of God? Rev 17 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement. Is this the wrath of God? Rev 13 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. Is this the wrath of God? Rev 13 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. Is this the wrath of God? Rev 20 Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. Is this the wrath of God? Pre tribbers can't seem to tell the difference between the wrath of God and the wrath of Satan. They mix them up and confuse gullible Christians.
"I cannot understand how pastors miss the part on who is pouring the wrath. God bless" Jesus is revealing, thus the book of revelation. Jesus opens the seals or reveals. Not one word about the first 5 seals being the wrath of God.
@@ilovetheLordChirst The Christian is not appointed to God's wrath, so when does God's wrath start? According to Joel 2:31, "The sun will be darkened and the moon turned to blood BEFORE the coming of the Great and terrible Day of the Lord." Jesus in Matthew 24 says, "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon not give its light." Some pre-trib believers answer this by saying according to Peter, "The day of the Lord comes as a thief..." So it has to be pre-trib. Then they say there will be a day of the Lord to start the seven-year period, and then near the end there will be the signs in sun and moon and THEN the great and terrible Day of the Lord Joel is talking about. The problem with this is Peter says, "The Day of the Lord comes as a thief, the heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will melt in fervent heat, and the earth and all its works will be laid bare. If as according to the Bible the anti-christ is honoring his treaty with Israel until the mid-point of Daniel's seventieth week, how could there be the total destruction Peter talks about. How could there be a temporary peace with the heavens (atmosphere) disappearing, the elements melting in fervent heat and the earth being laid bare. Also, Jesus talking about the time of great tribulation says there will be false messiahs, wars and rumors of wars, and you will be hated by all nations for my namesake, and you will be handed over to the authorities to be beaten, tortured, and even put to death. He then says "Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation as spoken of be Daniel the prophet, flee. If the warning sign is the mid-point of Daniel's seventieth week, then the tribulation has to be after the mid-point. I know this is technical and somewhat difficult, but get your Bible out and check out what I have stated. Is it true?
So you have never sinned as a Christian? I would like to see a video of that. Play it back and count the number of sins. Why would a Christian confess his sins then?
@@jamescole3152 We only sin until the day you are born again. After that it’s impossible to sin because then you are God’s seed. God’s seed cannot sin. The seed of satan are the sinners.
@@jamescole3152 To become born again you have to repent and ask Jesus forgiveness for your sins or ask Jesus in your heart Doing nothing is no option You don’t have the love of God when you still sin
Looking forward to the blessings of Heaven. J The Bridegroom Meets His Bride. The Bridegroom meets His bride, Arrayed in garments white; She waged a lifelong war, And conquered in His might. The banner o'er her floats, That o'er her floated long; The mighty conqueror, Leads on the victor throng. 'Tis not to conflict now, The sound of strife is o'er; All tears are wiped away, And sighs are heard no more. 'Tis to the banquet spread, To join the festal throng; Theirs is the shout of praise, Theirs the eternal song. The victor's crown they wear, Crowned is their living head: The wealth of Heaven is theirs, His glory on them shed. Words:James Stephens, 1902 Music:Leighton Hayne, 1863.
@@85rockhound Pretribs favorite quote 👉1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 The "Day of the Lord" cometh like a "Thief In The Night"... just like Jesus said, "no one knows the day or the hour(Matthew 24:36).... that speaks of the 2nd coming. 2 Peter 3:10 kjv But the "Day Of The Lord" will come as a "Thief In The Night" in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 kjv 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.👈 niv translated "Day Of The Lord" 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; verse 1👉our gathering unto him is when he come verse 2👉his coming and our gathering is called the "Day Of The Lord" verse 3👉for that "Day" speaking of the "Day Of The Lord" shall not come except there come a falling away from faith first and the anti-christ is revealed, so don't be decieved, amen?? 1 Corinthians 1:8 kjv Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the "Day Of The Lord Jesus Christ"
@@jamescole3152 yes, because people who believes in pretrib rapture aren't ready to the things to come. Matthew 13:18-21 niv 18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. The same phrase used by apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 :) pretribs will fall away from faith when the anti-Christ is revealed.
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It is in the text of the New Testament that the Apostle Paul was taken up to the third Heaven and saw inexpressible things. It is apparent that the Apostle John was privileged to see the same thing and was tasked to write about it with the exception of the thunders he was told not to record. It is further apparent that there are some who wish to take only parts of the Bible and to disregard some of what is written. God watches over his word to perform it and those who selectively pick those things the wish to believe, will have to account for their choices.
A saint is a saint no matter when he lives. "Tribulation saints" is a made up phrase that people use in an endeavor to separate themselves from prophecy, like the Israelites tried to do. _Heaven must receive_ Jesus Christ "until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began" Acts 3:20-21. Compare Acts 1:6-7. Therefore, the Lord will not _descend_ from heaven, 1 Thessalonians 4:16, until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. --- In 1 Thessalonians 5:9 wrath is contrasted with _salvation,_ not _location._ Therefore, even during the wrath of God the Lord expects us to keep watching. Revelation 16:15. Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that _watcheth, and keepeth his garments,_ lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. _They kept their garments._ Revelation 16:15. These are the same company described in Revelation 17:14, the church militant, said to be in heaven because that is often called the kingdom of heaven, and because their names are written in heaven (Hebrews 12:23), and they are of heavenly extract, they are born from above, and are partakers of the heavenly calling (Hebrews 3:1). Compare Ephesians 2:6. --- The _subject_ of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is the dead in Christ and how living believers will reunite with them on that day. The "sorrow not" of verse 13 corresponds with the "comfort" of verse 18. Therefore, if other details about that day are _omitted_ from those verses, then it is because they have nothing to do with the _subject._ Therefore, if it appears to be "different" than the second coming, it is because of those omissions. It has nothing to do with an escape. It is the "first resurrection" of "the dead" at the "last day", at "the coming of the Lord" when "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven". John 6:39, 40, 44, 54. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16. Revelation 20:5. _Therefore, the signs for the resurrection and the signs for the second coming are the same._ The Gr _apantesis,_ or "meet", is found only in Matthew 25:1, 6; Acts 28:15 and 1 Thessalonians 4:17, and it is used for greeting and returning with. It was a custom of the time to go out and "meet" someone who was coming to _your place,_ especially if it was an important person. 1. The virgins go out to "meet" the _coming_ bridegroom. Matthew 25:1, 6. _They're not skipping town._ 2. As Paul _approached_ Rome, the bretheren went out to "meet" him, and they accompanied him on his way to Rome. Acts 28:15. 3. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 says _nothing_ about ascending into heaven, only a "meeting" with the Lord in the air as he _descends_ from heaven, at "the coming of the Lord", "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven..." Therefore, at the second coming, the Lord comes _for_ His saints and _with_ His saints in quick succession. --- Nowhere in John 14:1-3 does the Lord say that he will take them to where he is _going._ When the Lord comes again, "I will come again" (John 14:3), he will be _here._ When he receives them to himself, they will be _here,_ in the presence of the King. These are mansions of love, peace, joy, and rest, which always remain. That is what will comfort their troubled hearts. John 14:1. Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. --- Revelation 12:7-9 clearly paints Michael as an _ejector_ in this case, not a restrainer, while the dragon is fighting to _remain_ in heaven. The Holy Spirit is poured out in the latter days, not removed. Joel 2:28-29. Acts 2:16-18. We are given a name in 2 Thessalonians 2:9, Satan. 1. Revelation 12:7-8. So long as the dragon fights to stay in heaven, he is a restrainer against anything that he does when he is cast to the earth, obviously. He knows that if he is cast to earth that "he hath but a short time." Revelation 12:12. 2 Thessalonians 2:6. 2. Revelation 12:9-12. Heaven rejoices that "the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.", finally "taken out of the way." 2 Thessalonians 2:7. 3. Revelation 13:1-2. The dragon gives power to the beast, and the beast is revealed to the world. 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10. 1. Revelation 12:7-8. 2 Thessalonians 2:7B. The restrainer. 2. Revelation 12:9-12. 2 Thessalonians 2:7C. Taken out of the way. 3. Revelation 13:1-4. 2 Thessalonians 2:8A. Wicked revealed. _The restrainer is the dragon._
The marriage supper is after the Tribulation when all are gathered, the raptured, the martyred of the Harlot system, the martyred of the Anti-christ kingdom, the resurrected. Jesus has harvested all that is his. Revelation 19, after these things. No there will not be a 7 year wedding supper after the rapture happens. The rapture is actually based on the symbolism of a first born given the birthright blessings Rev.12. Not on a bride. that's ch.19.
I would agree, that the wedding feast will be here on earth, where the OT saints & tribulation saints will be our honored guests. Both the Bema & the marriage will have taken place in heaven during the tribulation period.
The tribulation saints are us. There is no pre tribulation rapture of the church, that is a lie. I can show everyone when the rapture of the church happens. It is not hidden for those who really want to know the truth. You have to be honest and not want to be deceived. I looked for the timing of the rapture 10 years ago or so. Not sure now. It is easy to find but you have to be an honest person. I'll put it in the reply.
I will tell you when the rapture will happen. And the difference between the wrath of God and wrath of Satan. If you listen. First open your bible to Rev 6 and also Mat 24.. They are the same events. Have 2 people read them very slowly until you see they are the same. The first 5 seals of Rev 6 are the tribulation for Christians. The 5th seal shows you this. Then you also see the first mention of the wrath of God after the sun, the moon and the stars, just like Mat 24. The church is on earth during the tribulation. We are raptured before the wrath of God. Rev 7 shows the church in heaven after the rapture. It is really very easy to understand if you do as I said. Open both Rev 6 and Mat 24 and compare them, slowly verse by verse.
Ok one more try at this. We can know when the rapture happens. It is right there in the bible. The church is not appointed unto wrath. Whose wrath? The wrath of God. So the church goes up in the rapture before the wrath of God starts. Rev 6 shows exactly when the wrath of God begins. After the first 5 seals which is the tribulation for Christians. After the sun the moon and the stars the same as Mat 24. Rev 7 shows the church around the throne of God. So the rapture already happened. Notice the rapture happened before the trumpets which is the beginning of the wrath of God. If you have 2 people sit down and compare Mat 24 and Rev 6 you will see they are the same events. It really is very easy to understand.
The wrath of God is the 7 bowl judgements. Yes the cloud rapture will take place right before that event.Rev.14:14. But the rapture of the first fruits happens in Rev 4:4 and is confirmed who they are in Revelation 5:8-10. Some of what you are saying is those who are martyred during the Harlot system and the antichrist (the beast) kingdom. After the first rapture of those who will be king and Priest rev 4:4. Many people will know what just happened no matter what lie the government spreads, they will accept Jesus and will die for it. When the beast rises more will refuse the mark and beheaded. Yes the Tribulation will be a bloodbath for Christians or Jews who come to christ. "Those who are alive and remain" (they made it through the Tribulation) are the cloud rapture right before Christ second coming.
Amen especially on your point about WHY we believe. Yes, the rapture gives us hope, but the reason we believe in it is because Scripture teaches it.
Thankful for ya pastor B.
Thank you my brother...so comforting to hear you speak from Scripture. Love your channel, and just found it. Blessings from the Texas Hill Country..
In regards to whether or not the tribulation saints attend the supper of the Lamb, I always think about how they ask God for vengeance which won't be completed until after the second coming. They are told to wait and I always assumed they would continue waiting below the altar.
Great job pastor, really enjoy your teachings.
Asleep in the light as the disciples with Jesus were at Gethsemane.
Thank you so much, Pastor Brian ✝️
Such a great blessing of a message! God bless.
Thanks 😊
Tribulation means trouble. Gods wrath will be poured out on the wicked ( after he takes his Bride ), immediately after the tribulation of those days.
You have to remember that in Jewish custom the marriage supper occurs after the marriage, as it says the bride presents herself. So if this feast occurs at the end of the tribulation, just prior to his return then those killed during the tribulation may be called to the feast.
Agree with this message 💯🤗
I've noticed awhile ago that post trib people are a very judgemental lot.
whereas pre tribers don't hold post tribers argument as heresy,
The post tribbers do, and get very heated up on a pretribers stance.
No need to ponder or consider. Just read your Bibles. It is really not so complicated as they would have you believe. Scripture is very clear.
The Christian is not appointed to God's wrath, so when does God's wrath start? According to Joel 2:31, "The sun will be darkened and the moon turned to blood BEFORE the coming of the Great and terrible Day of the Lord." Jesus in Matthew 24 says, "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon not give its light." Some pre-trib believers answer this by saying according to Peter, "The day of the Lord comes as a thief..." So it has to be pre-trib. Then they say there will be a day of the Lord to start the seven-year period, and then near the end there will be the signs in sun and moon and THEN the great and terrible Day of the Lord Joel is talking about. The problem with this is Peter says, "The Day of the Lord comes as a thief, the heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will melt in fervent heat, and the earth and all its works will be laid bare. If as according to the Bible the anti-christ is honoring his treaty with Israel until the mid-point of Daniel's seventieth week, how could there be the total destruction Peter talks about. How could there be a temporary peace with the heavens (atmosphere) disappearing, the elements melting in fervent heat and the earth being laid bare. Also, Jesus talking about the time of great tribulation says there will be false messiahs, wars and rumors of wars, and you will be hated by all nations for my namesake, and you will be handed over to the authorities to be beaten, tortured, and even put to death. He then says "Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation as spoken of be Daniel the prophet, flee. If the warning sign is the mid-point of Daniel's seventieth week, then the tribulation has to be after the mid-point. I know this is technical and somewhat difficult, but get your Bible out and check out what I have stated. Is it true?
God's DAY....DAY ..DAY...of the Lord. Isaiah 63:4, “For the DAY of vengeance is in mine heart, and the YEAR of my REDEEMED is come.”
Revelation 14:3, the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were REDEEMED from the earth.”
Agree. Marriage supper is for bride which is the church. We're given glorified bodies at the rapture and have different garments at the supper. Ours are fine linen bright and white. The rest have robes and are guests to the wedding guessing that's old testament and tribulation saints who don't have glorified bodies until the return.
LOL> Anything to try to make a pre trib rapture fit. We are given a gown of salvation, a robe of righteousness.
@@jamescole3152there's definitely a pre trib rapture. There's definitely a marriage supper and there's definitely wedding guests who are invited to the wedding. A bride isn't invited to her own wedding. There's a thought that there's two different weddings. One with the Lamb and the Bride in Heaven. Then one with Israel and the Father in the millennial kingdom.
The thousand year reign is promised to the saints that overcome the Mark of the beast
Revelation 20 4 seven descriptions
1 Thessalonians 5 10 whether we wake or SLEEP
I'm just thinking about something how can the marriage supper of the lamb take place when Jesus is busy with Daniels seventy week?
I've not listened to this video, but I u/stand the scripture to teach that, while the marriage to the Lamb takes place in heaven along with the Bema, the marriage SUPPER doesn't take place till we return to earth, where the OT saints & tribulation saints will be our honored guests.
@@Kman. That makes perfect sense thanks I just watched another great video with scripture to support that also I'm settled with this piece of the puzzle fitting perfect ❤️
I want to point out that the timing of the rapture is important. Not to be teaching things that are not true. Read this.
2 Timothy
And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.
So just preach the truth. The rapture is AFTER the tribulation, which is the wrath of Satan. The wrath of God follows the rapture/resurrection. The church will see the Man of Sin before the rapture. Paul said so.
No the church is not gone or raptured by Rev 6:1. The church is on the earth. What the pre trib teachers do is try to convince people there are 2 churches. But there is only 1 church.
Here is the church on earth. Not in heaven.
Mat 24
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
Rev 17
I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Rev 13
7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.
Rev 13
15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
Rev 20
Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Notice this is the first resurrection. Not the second resurrection. There was no pre trib rapture, it is a lie. The rapture is pre wrath of God.
You are showing the death of the martyrs during the Harlot System and the deaths of martyrs during the beast kingdom. The rapture would have already happened and is symbolized as a firstborn son who would receive the birthright blessing not as a bride. The wedding supper is later after Christ has reaped or gathered all that his his. The raptured, those martyred, those resurrected.
The 24 elders are the first rapture. Revelation 4:4 also listen to their new song. Look at the words in Revelation 5:8-10. The words show they were taken from the earth. V.9 "and have redeemed us to God by your blood, out of every tongue and people and nation". These are not angels as some say. V.10 "and have made us kings and priest to God, and we shall reign in earth." These are some who will reign on earth during the Millennium with Christ Jesus! Much love.
And Israel is not the church. They are seperate.
Yes we are not appointed to wrath!
Yeshua is the one that opens the seals and pours out His wrath!
Revelation ch 6 vs 16 and 17, wrath of the Lamb. Yeshua the bridegroom would not beat His bride up!
I cannot understand how pastors miss the part on who is pouring the wrath.
God bless
LOL. Show me one verse that says the first 5 seals are the wrath of God? The first 5 seals are the tribulation for the church. The church is on the earth.
********A quiz for all the pre tribbers.********
Mat 24
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
Is this the wrath of God?
Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
Is this the wrath of God?
Rev 17
I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Is this the wrath of God?
Rev 13
7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.
Is this the wrath of God?
Rev 13
15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
Is this the wrath of God?
Rev 20
Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.
Is this the wrath of God?
Pre tribbers can't seem to tell the difference between the wrath of God and the wrath of Satan. They mix them up and confuse gullible Christians.
"I cannot understand how pastors miss the part on who is pouring the wrath.
God bless"
Jesus is revealing, thus the book of revelation. Jesus opens the seals or reveals. Not one word about the first 5 seals being the wrath of God.
@@jamescole3152 the wrath of God is the wrath of the Lamb which is Yeshua which is God, not hard to understand.
@@ilovetheLordChirst The Christian is not appointed to God's wrath, so when does God's wrath start? According to Joel 2:31, "The sun will be darkened and the moon turned to blood BEFORE the coming of the Great and terrible Day of the Lord." Jesus in Matthew 24 says, "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon not give its light." Some pre-trib believers answer this by saying according to Peter, "The day of the Lord comes as a thief..." So it has to be pre-trib. Then they say there will be a day of the Lord to start the seven-year period, and then near the end there will be the signs in sun and moon and THEN the great and terrible Day of the Lord Joel is talking about. The problem with this is Peter says, "The Day of the Lord comes as a thief, the heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will melt in fervent heat, and the earth and all its works will be laid bare. If as according to the Bible the anti-christ is honoring his treaty with Israel until the mid-point of Daniel's seventieth week, how could there be the total destruction Peter talks about. How could there be a temporary peace with the heavens (atmosphere) disappearing, the elements melting in fervent heat and the earth being laid bare. Also, Jesus talking about the time of great tribulation says there will be false messiahs, wars and rumors of wars, and you will be hated by all nations for my namesake, and you will be handed over to the authorities to be beaten, tortured, and even put to death. He then says "Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation as spoken of be Daniel the prophet, flee. If the warning sign is the mid-point of Daniel's seventieth week, then the tribulation has to be after the mid-point. I know this is technical and somewhat difficult, but get your Bible out and check out what I have stated. Is it true?
Jesus said we must be born again.
You are born again when the Holy Spirit do not let you sin anymore
So you have never sinned as a Christian? I would like to see a video of that. Play it back and count the number of sins. Why would a Christian confess his sins then?
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We only sin until the day you are born again.
After that it’s impossible to sin because then you are God’s seed. God’s seed cannot sin.
The seed of satan are the sinners.
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To become born again you have to repent and ask Jesus forgiveness for your sins or ask Jesus in your heart
Doing nothing is no option
You don’t have the love of God when you still sin
Looking forward to the blessings of Heaven. J
The Bridegroom Meets His Bride.
The Bridegroom meets His bride,
Arrayed in garments white;
She waged a lifelong war,
And conquered in His might.
The banner o'er her floats,
That o'er her floated long;
The mighty conqueror,
Leads on the victor throng.
'Tis not to conflict now,
The sound of strife is o'er;
All tears are wiped away,
And sighs are heard no more.
'Tis to the banquet spread,
To join the festal throng;
Theirs is the shout of praise,
Theirs the eternal song.
The victor's crown they wear,
Crowned is their living head:
The wealth of Heaven is theirs,
His glory on them shed.
Words:James Stephens, 1902 Music:Leighton Hayne, 1863.
pretrib rapture is never mentioned in the entire Bible :) it's a false hope.
Will it cause people to stumble?
Why do you say that?
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Pretribs favorite quote 👉1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 The "Day of the Lord" cometh like a "Thief In The Night"... just like Jesus said, "no one knows the day or the hour(Matthew 24:36).... that speaks of the 2nd coming.
2 Peter 3:10 kjv But the "Day Of The Lord" will come as a "Thief In The Night" in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 kjv
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.👈 niv translated "Day Of The Lord"
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
verse 1👉our gathering unto him is when he come
verse 2👉his coming and our gathering is called the "Day Of The Lord"
verse 3👉for that "Day" speaking of the "Day Of The Lord" shall not come except there come a falling away from faith first and the anti-christ is revealed, so don't be decieved, amen??
1 Corinthians 1:8 kjv Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the "Day Of The Lord Jesus Christ"
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yes, because people who believes in pretrib rapture aren't ready to the things to come.
Matthew 13:18-21 niv
18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.
The same phrase used by apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 :) pretribs will fall away from faith when the anti-Christ is revealed.
The multitude that cannot be numbered is because the number continues to increase. 🕊⌛️🕊
No.
@@jamescole3152 so quick to dismiss ? How do you know brother ? Our Father can count better than both of us .
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It is in the text of the New Testament that the Apostle Paul was taken up to the third Heaven and saw inexpressible things. It is apparent that the Apostle John was privileged to see the same thing and was tasked to write about it with the exception of the thunders he was told not to record. It is further apparent that there are some who wish to take only parts of the Bible and to disregard some of what is written. God watches over his word to perform it and those who selectively pick those things the wish to believe, will have to account for their choices.
Rapture VERY soon! ⚡⚡
A saint is a saint no matter when he lives. "Tribulation saints" is a made up phrase that people use in an endeavor to separate themselves from prophecy, like the Israelites tried to do.
_Heaven must receive_ Jesus Christ "until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began" Acts 3:20-21. Compare Acts 1:6-7.
Therefore, the Lord will not _descend_ from heaven, 1 Thessalonians 4:16, until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
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In 1 Thessalonians 5:9 wrath is contrasted with _salvation,_ not _location._
Therefore, even during the wrath of God the Lord expects us to keep watching. Revelation 16:15.
Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that _watcheth, and keepeth his garments,_ lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
_They kept their garments._ Revelation 16:15. These are the same company described in Revelation 17:14, the church militant, said to be in heaven because that is often called the kingdom of heaven, and because their names are written in heaven (Hebrews 12:23), and they are of heavenly extract, they are born from above, and are partakers of the heavenly calling (Hebrews 3:1). Compare Ephesians 2:6.
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The _subject_ of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is the dead in Christ and how living believers will reunite with them on that day. The "sorrow not" of verse 13 corresponds with the "comfort" of verse 18.
Therefore, if other details about that day are _omitted_ from those verses, then it is because they have nothing to do with the _subject._
Therefore, if it appears to be "different" than the second coming, it is because of those omissions.
It has nothing to do with an escape. It is the "first resurrection" of "the dead" at the "last day", at "the coming of the Lord" when "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven". John 6:39, 40, 44, 54. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16. Revelation 20:5.
_Therefore, the signs for the resurrection and the signs for the second coming are the same._
The Gr _apantesis,_ or "meet", is found only in Matthew 25:1, 6; Acts 28:15 and 1 Thessalonians 4:17, and it is used for greeting and returning with. It was a custom of the time to go out and "meet" someone who was coming to _your place,_ especially if it was an important person.
1. The virgins go out to "meet" the _coming_ bridegroom. Matthew 25:1, 6. _They're not skipping town._
2. As Paul _approached_ Rome, the bretheren went out to "meet" him, and they accompanied him on his way to Rome. Acts 28:15.
3. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 says _nothing_ about ascending into heaven, only a "meeting" with the Lord in the air as he _descends_ from heaven, at "the coming of the Lord", "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven..."
Therefore, at the second coming, the Lord comes _for_ His saints and _with_ His saints in quick succession.
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Nowhere in John 14:1-3 does the Lord say that he will take them to where he is _going._
When the Lord comes again, "I will come again" (John 14:3), he will be _here._
When he receives them to himself, they will be _here,_ in the presence of the King.
These are mansions of love, peace, joy, and rest, which always remain. That is what will comfort their troubled hearts. John 14:1.
Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
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Revelation 12:7-9 clearly paints Michael as an _ejector_ in this case, not a restrainer, while the dragon is fighting to _remain_ in heaven.
The Holy Spirit is poured out in the latter days, not removed. Joel 2:28-29. Acts 2:16-18.
We are given a name in 2 Thessalonians 2:9, Satan.
1. Revelation 12:7-8. So long as the dragon fights to stay in heaven, he is a restrainer against anything that he does when he is cast to the earth, obviously. He knows that if he is cast to earth that "he hath but a short time." Revelation 12:12. 2 Thessalonians 2:6.
2. Revelation 12:9-12. Heaven rejoices that "the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.", finally "taken out of the way." 2 Thessalonians 2:7.
3. Revelation 13:1-2. The dragon gives power to the beast, and the beast is revealed to the world. 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10.
1. Revelation 12:7-8. 2 Thessalonians 2:7B. The restrainer.
2. Revelation 12:9-12. 2 Thessalonians 2:7C. Taken out of the way.
3. Revelation 13:1-4. 2 Thessalonians 2:8A. Wicked revealed.
_The restrainer is the dragon._
The marriage supper is after the Tribulation when all are gathered, the raptured, the martyred of the Harlot system, the martyred of the Anti-christ kingdom, the resurrected. Jesus has harvested all that is his. Revelation 19, after these things. No there will not be a 7 year wedding supper after the rapture happens. The rapture is actually based on the symbolism of a first born given the birthright blessings Rev.12. Not on a bride. that's ch.19.
I would agree, that the wedding feast will be here on earth, where the OT saints & tribulation saints will be our honored guests. Both the Bema & the marriage will have taken place in heaven during the tribulation period.
The tribulation saints are us. There is no pre tribulation rapture of the church, that is a lie. I can show everyone when the rapture of the church happens. It is not hidden for those who really want to know the truth. You have to be honest and not want to be deceived. I looked for the timing of the rapture 10 years ago or so. Not sure now. It is easy to find but you have to be an honest person. I'll put it in the reply.
I will tell you when the rapture will happen. And the difference between the wrath of God and wrath of Satan. If you listen. First open your bible to Rev 6 and also Mat 24.. They are the same events. Have 2 people read them very slowly until you see they are the same.
The first 5 seals of Rev 6 are the tribulation for Christians. The 5th seal shows you this. Then you also see the first mention of the wrath of God after the sun, the moon and the stars, just like Mat 24. The church is on earth during the tribulation. We are raptured before the wrath of God. Rev 7 shows the church in heaven after the rapture. It is really very easy to understand if you do as I said. Open both Rev 6 and Mat 24 and compare them, slowly verse by verse.
Ok one more try at this. We can know when the rapture happens. It is right there in the bible. The church is not appointed unto wrath. Whose wrath? The wrath of God. So the church goes up in the rapture before the wrath of God starts. Rev 6 shows exactly when the wrath of God begins. After the first 5 seals which is the tribulation for Christians. After the sun the moon and the stars the same as Mat 24.
Rev 7 shows the church around the throne of God. So the rapture already happened. Notice the rapture happened before the trumpets which is the beginning of the wrath of God. If you have 2 people sit down and compare Mat 24 and Rev 6 you will see they are the same events. It really is very easy to understand.
The wrath of God is the 7 bowl judgements. Yes the cloud rapture will take place right before that event.Rev.14:14. But the rapture of the first fruits happens in Rev 4:4 and is confirmed who they are in Revelation 5:8-10. Some of what you are saying is those who are martyred during the Harlot system and the antichrist (the beast) kingdom. After the first rapture of those who will be king and Priest rev 4:4. Many people will know what just happened no matter what lie the government spreads, they will accept Jesus and will die for it. When the beast rises more will refuse the mark and beheaded. Yes the Tribulation will be a bloodbath for Christians or Jews who come to christ. "Those who are alive and remain" (they made it through the Tribulation) are the cloud rapture right before Christ second coming.