@@lostkin9921 hey I'm not on steveee's side but you literally said "because they did it first" , so I don't see how that allows these other people and phoenix to do that.. idk I'm tired it's nighttime and I have school tomorrow. I hope someone can explain that to me (Oh maybe I should mention that out of all of these people including Steveee I only watch Phoenix) Edit:No need to reply to me anymore already got it :p
Love how the man goes "I'm not guilty, I'm defending myself, please understand I'm not the bad guy" and the immediately swaps to "here's Mojang screwing up the names of their own characters" without missing a beat and I respect it so much. Don't ever change Phoenix.
I watched that video earlier, I noticed that immediately and was really confused. Another thing is they have stone axes in the animation, whereas they have iron axes in game
it may be intentional since "evokers" are not "vindicators", could mean steveee just brought something to mind and has brought nothing to justice or i can be an literature teacher with my skill of reading too much into it.... and the way phoenix did it, if steveee tried to defend himself again from my interpretation of this then people would call him ridiculous because he "read too much into it" steveee is playing chess, while phoenix sc made the chess program steveee is playing on. or i read too much into it again
Although I lost a deep interest in Minecraft a while ago, Phoenix still remains one of my favorite TH-camrs of all time for this reason. He’s just one hell of a personality and is the type of guy I wish I had as a friend irl lol. So indeed. Never change.
@@Demonic_Culture_Nut he's able to play chess because the chess program show what move he can make, perfectly fits with how he just uses and copy things people have made he doesn't have to understand the rules, just execute the most basic things, i.e follow the usage tutorial
Trust is sometimes a double edged sword. Phoenix trusted us to make our conclusion. That's the good side. Steevee had watchers who trusted him (sort of) and then broke it, making a bad situation. That's the bad side
This is the best TH-cam apology video I’ve ever seen. Because he didn’t apologize. he called bull and moved on with his life, not caring about stupid drama and instead making a video.
Well, to be clear, that was not even an apology video to begin with. It was just him blabbering about why he is "not the villain" and painting other youtubers as the bad guys. Edit: I'm talking about Stevee in this comment, not Phoenix. Sorry for the multiple people who had to correct me.
The best defense: simply showing the accusation to the audience and moving on to more pressing matters, because you know their allegations are too weak to matter. It’s a great way to deal with the problem without escalation or feeding Steeveee’s attention-seeking behavior.
Eh if it’s so outlandish that you know your fan base would side with you even without addressing it then ignoring it is best option. Don’t feed into their ego or attention seeking personality and they’ll absolutely lose it
I took the part where they talk about the evokers as a defense by showing an example of where they (at least often) gets their ideas, their subreddit. Then, showing how it turns into a video. Also, hi longbeing
The same thing technically happened with that vegan teacher too, her break outs and how she always pointed at big youtubers was just so she could look crazy and gain attention
If it would be impossible, it would be the fault of youtubers who do the same thing like steveee, not crediting where they got that video from, so it is actualy his own fault if it was true
At this point steveee is just dodging the accusations, there is a massive difference between inspiration with crediting an idea and just blatantly taking a video and putting your own watermark on it without mentioning the original creator
He also needs to learn that credit does not necessarily clear up everything. It’s very unlikely that everyone will go to the original video, and some people might not be comfortable with having something they made be used by other people, that of course did not make the thing that they made.
not to mention that some of the ideas in question are so basic that they could have easily been conceptualized independently. no one content creator has exclusive rights to "long piston." iirc the original mod that inspired the official pistons had ones that could push further than 1 block, meaning that idea has been present in the community _since before pistons were even implemented into the game._
He defended himself without saying anything like "no, I'm innocent", he just went to his subreddit, saw a meme, explained it and in the process silently defended himself by showing he takes most of his ideas from the sub.
Yeah like pheonix makes content based off what he sees on his subreddit and the other creators mentioned do similar things but steveee straight up TAKES the video and says that it's his
I like how he goes like “people are hating me” and then not even 30 seconds later proceeds to use “it’s very hard to find the original creator” as an excuse while showing the original creators
@@firewarp8819His argument is that the ideas originated from other lesser known creators and that the people currently credited as the creators did not actually create the ideas. Knowing how games are this can be true in some cases but not all, unfortunately Stevee did not give enough evidence to cut himself free and instead just showed how lazy he himself is.
Dictionary  Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more Search for a word vin·di·cate /ˈvindəˌkāt/ Learn to pronounce verb clear (someone) of blame or suspicion. "hospital staff were vindicated by the inquest verdict" Similar: acquit clear absolve free from blame declare innocent exonerate exculpate discharge liberate free deliver redeem let off let off the hook Opposite: convict blame incriminate show or prove to be right, reasonable, or justified. "more sober views were vindicated by events" Similar: justify warrant substantiate establish demonstrate ratify authenticate
Phoenix, I can't believe you dare create your own fun content based on submissions from fans in your community! That is a crime against incredibly talented -thief-- creator Stevee!
Yeah! I mean, he only stole videos, didn’t credit, didn’t ask, didn’t give links, made a video about them making them the villain, make himself the victim, earn money from stealing, only that, right? People are so rude! Smh!
I don't know why I laughed so hard when the video ended. I was just watching, diligently waiting for him to make a point and bring it back to the point of this video. Then I realised that those weren't evokers and I forgot all about the point of this video for a second. Then just as I remembered about the drama, I checked how much time was left for Pheonix to tie everything together and the video ended. Absolute classic.
Honestly, Phoenix did something extremely wise. He didn't get down to the level of Steeve, he simply ignored him because what Steeve did is horrible. Really, blaming other as a way to defend yourself is just extremely stupid, not only that, but he was blaming something that happened 3 YEARS AGO. I have a big respect for you Phoenix.
What the other youtubers "copied" was very often through: Reddit links, specific people asking to showcase, showcasing it(aka, not presenting as their own work), shouting someone out before, during or after the build and giving credit. Not a single idea is posted as their own. What Steveee does: "you made this?" ........ "I maked this"
Yea I really don't get Steveeee. That death message for instance, of course there are gonna be more than 1 video made about that! And 'long pistons' have been talked and memed about for years.
@@Dusti_buns you just defended steveeee? by saying that these concepts stick for years, youre justifying his creation of these videos, so he guilty because he did them later, but theyre not guilty because they did it eariler? its a timeless concept isnt it?
@@th8386 don't think so, phoenix, makenstein, etc. made their own versions of it. their own datapacks. however ppl like stevve just downloaded the datapack other people made, made a video on it and gave 0 credits to the person who made those datapacks. using a concept/taking inspiration to make something is not wrong, but stealing something, making a video on it and giving no credits to the person who made it is wrong. not to mention he watermarks his "showcases" with his name, even though he did not make it sorry if my english is not good, not my main language
@@theunium I don't see any problems with your English besides the lack of apostrophes and capitalization which is normal inside a TH-cam comment section because this isn't English class and I should stop trying to use proper grammar till I frick up and look dumb. Good job :)
Best of wishes on your surgery Phoenix! And remember, take as much time as needed to recover, after all your health is more important than your fame and, even so we are always going to stick around wishing you the best.
@@xenno8496 Yeah TH-cam has long since implemented something in the comment sections which hides comments based on some arbitrary conditions. Like you could get a notification that a comment exists, but it wouldn't be viewable in comment sections. Honestly I have no idea what those conditions are, because bots constantly say sus things but don't get deleted so 🤷
Yeah pretty much. Phoenix is in the right. But what I like about steveees "apology" is bro said tik tok content doesn't "strain the brain" when really it rots your attention span. Edit: Yeah I'm like revisiting this video and it's like old. Kinda just bored and accidentally had this video playing in the background and felt like commenting like very late.
It's funny that Steveee is accusing PhoenixSC for "stealing", which is actually just coding cursed images in the game that takes several hours of work and a very good knowledge of code in the first place, all while Steveee literally spends 10-20 minutes to cut/edit others content 💀(which takes way less skill than learning how to code)
Yeah, and what’s sad is when steveee copies off smaller TH-camrs, he actually sometimes gets more watch time and money. I mean it’s obvious but… some of the TH-camrs wouldn’t be able to speak about it since their channel isn’t big enough to be believed
@@signorfinancial the smaller channels could support their own point by showing that they uploaded a video with the idea much earlier than that unoriginal palette swap of steve, but they'd still not be believed because no one would care.
@@robertbalazslorincz8218 from what I saw of him in the past without all of this, they just make fun youtube shorts of munecraft creations/mods. Not much to be controversial about...
I love how everyone was expecting drama from this video when Phoenix just ended it saying that Mojang made a mistake in a video, completely changing the speech. He just moved on and didn't care, because it really is true, the only winning move is not to play.
Did he just… did he… did he just respond by looking at something completely different and not addressing the accusations? Gigachad. This is the proper way to handle these kiddos.
honestly when i read the title i was very scared it was something terrible (i’ve seen it happen so many times where youtubers i like end up being horrible) im so glad it’s just this agh.
Literally his argument: "If I cannot give a source to every single video I make, then I won't do it ever, whether I can or not" Conclusion: evokers are not vindicators
was about to be extremely worried you had a little sausage problem where it led you to the wrong age group or something along those lines. Finding out it's just Steveee, you immediately were in the clear for me
Oh boy. Steveee is quite problematic (with a lot of proof). Shouldn’t be coming after you (or anyone who made a video about him & his stealing) You rock Phoenix & it’s in your right to defend yourself. There’s a large difference between stealing & expanding on something after getting inspired & also actually giving credit.
The fact that he mentions how the big TH-camrs are “bullying” him makes me wonder if he’s a young kid, who may be unaware how plagiarism works and how it affects the original creators. I dunno, just a theory.
@@kringle7804 thing is he complained about it, but apparently he was willing enough to go find the first person to do the idea just to "call out other TH-camrs" Yet wasn't willing enough to credit the person he got the idea directly from, like one case I've seen multiple times is Mumbo Jumbo where he takes Mumbo's ideas and copies them without credit
I stopped watching Steevee ages ago, unsure why but this only cements that I will never return. Phoenix, your reasoning was so bulletproof and obvious that I felt like a fool for even watching Steevee years ago. Absolutely congratulations on the global peace award btw.
@@valleyofparadise theft isn't exactly a respectable activity, especially stealing hard work like redstone and not giving credit it's despicable. Not as despicable as animal rescue videos and family channels but ehh its up there
Its honestly still so funny to see how little stevee has changed since he joined our "stop stevee" server His entire logic is "If other people do this thing I can do this vaugly similar thing despite the context being extemely different" (Oh also, megamanny (The channel Stevee claims phoenix stole the bug idea from) is ran by Воки (the same dude who runs Stevee's channel) so that made me laugh a lot when he mentioned it)
@@nightowl548 yep, there's been one for a while It was started by some planet mc creators who's work was stolen by him and it's main goal was to actually get what Stevee is doing in the public eye (Which ironically Stevee did all by himself when he stole from people who actually had a platform)
If these allegations were to have any effect on any of the 4 creators, he'd have lost entire channel's worth content to steal. He's biting off his nose to spite his face.
That was honestly the best explanation of how you make your content and sometimes accidentally copy other people, I'm so proud that you decided to address these allegations and prove them wrong
Explanation of why he isnt guilty: 1. Long pistons are a common idea, ive even thought of it before 2. The bug was taken from either reddit or the bug report, maybe reddit took it from megamanny but its a bug anyway 3. Stevee stole literal structures what
Oh, wow, Stevee. I had no idea Phoenix SC would steal the idea of longer pistons from someone else. It's completely impossible that he could have done this crazy thing called coming up with the idea on his own. I can't believe that Phoenix didn't think of pistons but longer many years after the first video about it came out. Long pistons is such an incredible and crazy idea, no wonder he had to steal it. He couldn't possibly have thought of it himself! (Because this is the internet, I have to specify. This is sarcasm.)
I can only imagine that the guy who accused Phoenix thinks like this cause it's the same thing he is apparently doing for ages (Copying content), in his mind maybe it's the only way to come with stuff
@@henrikino There's a theory that we can't even make original ideas. Like it's impossible to make new ideas, only remixed ideas that you already know of. The most common example used for this is that you can't imagine a new color
Fun fact: soon if we for some reason want to see Steveee’s “exposed” video for ourselves, it will take a few scrolling through his countless stolen videos he makes every day. He already made like five after the video!
I realized it was an analogy, just can't figure out how exactly it all works lol. Is it that stevee is an evoker, because he made the style and send his "vexes" (fans) to attack other creators, and the creators stevee attacks are "vindicators" who are trying to take him down?
@@flashlightning6742 It's not even that complicated. It's literally just "look at this guy talking out of his ass about something that's incredibly obvious to anyone with five minutes of experience in the fandom they're trying to talk about. He's just as bad as Stevee."
@@MrMcSpiff Oh I see, I assumed it was deeper than that lol. That does make sense, he is showing how Stevee just pointed out an obvious mistake/slip up and acted like those creators violated the Geneva Convention. Don't know what that other reply to you was about, it was as clear and easy to read as any other comment is.
Phoenix knows his community loves and supports him (and knows he’s not in the wrong), so much, that he didn’t even bother to defend himself. What a chad
It's more like "Hey, you bought these cookies at the store, so therefore I can steal them" or maybe "You made these cookies using your grandmother's recipe, so I can take the cookies."
@@TheTrueThanos i'd say it's more like "you got these cookies from the store, so that means i can too!" except phoenix actually paid for them whereas steveee's blatantly trying to tiptoe out of the door with a handful of stolen cookies, all while he's pointing fingers at everyone else but himself
Gotta love how steevee, the TH-camr regularly accused of stealing content, is accusing phoenixsc for stealing content as well despite phoenix simply taking inspiration
I didn't know you were having surgery tomorrow. Good luck with recover Phoenix! (And please for the love of god don't slack if you have to do Physical Therapy)
MY perception of copying is if ALL or MOST of your content is fully based off of something else that was created, or if it's something that's specific (because trends exist). Phoenix has a lot of content that's completely unique, and most things that could be claimed to be copied are repeated a lot, which I consider a trend.
Saw the thumbnail, was vaguely scared for the future of this channel, but the millisecond I saw steevee was the accuser, my stress levels dropped. It's clearly just for attention
Hey Phoenix! Just wanted to comment and say best of luck with your surgery hope all goes well! Absolutley love your videos no matter what anyone else says. Keep up the good work!
As for the weird death message thing, does Steveee even consider that maybe someone might be doing a subject someone else has done... because they got inspiration from something else? Hell, I discover something cool and tell others about only to get a response of "We _know,_ doofus!"
Stevee really just said “we steal ideas and convert them to short videos and we can’t credit them because we can’t find the sources, we are demonstrating this by showing you the fact we found the source.”
"it is often impossible to find the original video" then proceeds to show a flow chart all the way back to the original video, well done steveee, you played yourself
I do think it's incredibly hard to pinpoint when someone has "copied" another person, there's a ton of content that some people don't see for ages or it becomes popular much later on. Especially with minecraft, an idea like an extended piston has existed for Years, and there's probably at *least* 20 mods out there with some form of it out of the tens of thousands of mods. Originality is difficult these days, I only wouldn't say this is plagiarism because, everyone has their own scripts and video styles, and some probably jump on a band wagon if an idea is popular at the time, y'know?
I don't know why, but I have a feeling that no matter what happens to PhoenixSC and his channel, he would rise and live again in flames, just a hunch, I don't know exactly why...
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I loved the part when he explained he isnt guilty
Evokers are not Vindicators.
@@PhoenixSC hello
I mean he’s not wrong
@@PhoenixSC hello I am Phoenix SC
@ٴ what💀
This situation is caused by a creator who was too lazy to make their own content blaming other Minecraft TH-camrs that are the source of his content…
Bros mentality is like "you can't go after me because they did it first"
Kinda idiotic and clown move 🤡🤡🤡
Exactly bro
Steveee's defense summed in a few words, "Well they don't post obvious links to original work so I don't have to do so either"
@@lostkin9921 hey I'm not on steveee's side but you literally said "because they did it first" , so I don't see how that allows these other people and phoenix to do that.. idk I'm tired it's nighttime and I have school tomorrow. I hope someone can explain that to me
(Oh maybe I should mention that out of all of these people including Steveee I only watch Phoenix)
Edit:No need to reply to me anymore already got it :p
"Might be a virus, don't click it" is my new favorite passive aggressive way to point out someone being blind.
Love how the man goes "I'm not guilty, I'm defending myself, please understand I'm not the bad guy" and the immediately swaps to "here's Mojang screwing up the names of their own characters" without missing a beat and I respect it so much.
Don't ever change Phoenix.
I watched that video earlier, I noticed that immediately and was really confused. Another thing is they have stone axes in the animation, whereas they have iron axes in game
it may be intentional since "evokers" are not "vindicators", could mean steveee just brought something to mind and has brought nothing to justice
or i can be an literature teacher with my skill of reading too much into it....
and the way phoenix did it, if steveee tried to defend himself again from my interpretation of this then people would call him ridiculous because he "read too much into it"
steveee is playing chess, while phoenix sc made the chess program steveee is playing on.
or i read too much into it again
Although I lost a deep interest in Minecraft a while ago, Phoenix still remains one of my favorite TH-camrs of all time for this reason. He’s just one hell of a personality and is the type of guy I wish I had as a friend irl lol. So indeed. Never change.
@@lifegrain6092 Steveee isn't playing Chess, he's trying to move a pawn 3 spaces left. During a game of Reversi.
@@Demonic_Culture_Nut he's able to play chess because the chess program show what move he can make, perfectly fits with how he just uses and copy things people have made
he doesn't have to understand the rules, just execute the most basic things, i.e follow the usage tutorial
Phoenix trusts the common sense of his audience so much that he didn't even feel the need to defend himself and I love that XD
Because just like him, we're smart enough to know what's right and wrong, and what's the truth and what's a lie.
@@thunderwind6826 I like ur pfp
Trust is sometimes a double edged sword.
Phoenix trusted us to make our conclusion. That's the good side.
Steevee had watchers who trusted him (sort of) and then broke it, making a bad situation. That's the bad side
nobody should feel the need to defend themselves in this situation. Steveee is literally destroying himself with his own argument, just let him.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte
This is the best TH-cam apology video I’ve ever seen. Because he didn’t apologize. he called bull and moved on with his life, not caring about stupid drama and instead making a video.
I mean because it's obvious that even if he has done something that someone else did
He did it himself
Not just downloaded MP4 of someone doing this
Well, to be clear, that was not even an apology video to begin with. It was just him blabbering about why he is "not the villain" and painting other youtubers as the bad guys.
Edit: I'm talking about Stevee in this comment, not Phoenix. Sorry for the multiple people who had to correct me.
Because it isn't an apology. Get it right.
@@Back-Track I think he's talking about PhoenixSC's video(this one).
When I was reading this a raindrop fell on the screen and it “capitalised” the o in mOved so my brain read it as moo-ved.
The best defense: simply showing the accusation to the audience and moving on to more pressing matters, because you know their allegations are too weak to matter.
It’s a great way to deal with the problem without escalation or feeding Steeveee’s attention-seeking behavior.
Eh if it’s so outlandish that you know your fan base would side with you even without addressing it then ignoring it is best option. Don’t feed into their ego or attention seeking personality and they’ll absolutely lose it
This
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I took the part where they talk about the evokers as a defense by showing an example of where they (at least often) gets their ideas, their subreddit. Then, showing how it turns into a video.
Also, hi longbeing
The same thing technically happened with that vegan teacher too, her break outs and how she always pointed at big youtubers was just so she could look crazy and gain attention
Steveee: “It’s often impossible to find the original source to these ideas.”
Also Steveee: *Proceeds to show how easy it is to find the sources*
Common Steeve L moment
If it would be impossible, it would be the fault of youtubers who do the same thing like steveee, not crediting where they got that video from, so it is actualy his own fault if it was true
but where's the original?
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@@man-made-man the original isn't on TH-cam, and apparently steeve is to lazy to leave TH-cam and find other sources..
gigachad energy, he didn't dive super deep in drama and proceeded to turn it into a video. this is why I love Phoenix
@@SpeedAcademy2 "abidemi lukman" the youtube handle system has its positives...
At this point steveee is just dodging the accusations, there is a massive difference between inspiration with crediting an idea and just blatantly taking a video and putting your own watermark on it without mentioning the original creator
It’s what we in the Touhou community call “dodging into a bullet and bombing at all the wrong times”
He also needs to learn that credit does not necessarily clear up everything. It’s very unlikely that everyone will go to the original video, and some people might not be comfortable with having something they made be used by other people, that of course did not make the thing that they made.
not to mention that some of the ideas in question are so basic that they could have easily been conceptualized independently.
no one content creator has exclusive rights to "long piston." iirc the original mod that inspired the official pistons had ones that could push further than 1 block, meaning that idea has been present in the community _since before pistons were even implemented into the game._
Indeed
Dude he even copy Logan Paul's response video by not taking responsibility and pointing the blame to others. Next level copycat lmao
You’re all good. Stevees attempt to expose other youtubers was ridiculous.
all of his content is stolen
Cannot tell if blind fan or bot
@Ohjustgivemehatecomments
I see what you're doing, sneaky bastard
@@DrHundTF2 he's a bot, you can look at what other comments he's made on this channel, they're just copy and pasted with no context
other creators take inspiration Stevee was just blatantly ripping it off
Honestly I don't think someone of his moral caliber is one to speak about the wrongdoings of others.
And he even admits to copying from these creators in the first place 😂
"I may have stolen stuff and plastered my own watermark on it, but these guys are the _real_ scum!"
He's just seeking attention
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He didn't even speak that voice is characteristic of a TTS engine (text to speech)
He defended himself without saying anything like "no, I'm innocent", he just went to his subreddit, saw a meme, explained it and in the process silently defended himself by showing he takes most of his ideas from the sub.
The claims Steveee made in that video are pathetic. He basically said “oh others steal content and it’s fine so I can steal content and it’s fine”
i think its less “others” and more “the people you are agreeing with”
Yeah like pheonix makes content based off what he sees on his subreddit and the other creators mentioned do similar things but steveee straight up TAKES the video and says that it's his
Thanks for saying it like that. I wasn’t sure how to phrase what I wanted to say but you got it exactly right
The best part is, they aren't stealing content, they are making in game data packs based off of ideas, while steveee just uses other peoples datapacks
He tried and failed to call them hypothetical
I like how he goes like “people are hating me” and then not even 30 seconds later proceeds to use “it’s very hard to find the original creator” as an excuse while showing the original creators
While taking the ideas from the creators.
who said those where the original creators?? they are showing that they are not the original maker by showing people who did it before them.
@@firewarp8819His argument is that the ideas originated from other lesser known creators and that the people currently credited as the creators did not actually create the ideas.
Knowing how games are this can be true in some cases but not all, unfortunately Stevee did not give enough evidence to cut himself free and instead just showed how lazy he himself is.
"literally hating and bullying on me"
@@darth3911 i don't care about his argument the comment is wrong
The ending gets even better when you remember what "vindicate" means
i didnt even think about it
damn das clever
What does it mean?
@@itzolive3738 Google it
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clear (someone) of blame or suspicion.
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show or prove to be right, reasonable, or justified.
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The Point: Phoenix is not guilty.
the ACTUAL point: vindicators are not evokers
@@dxcvvxd AND THATS A FACT
@@soggySmoggy
Holy shit...
@@soggySmoggy this court finds the defendant, phoenix SC...
NOT. GUILTY.
*Crowd cheering, confetti and applauses*
Phoenix, I can't believe you dare create your own fun content based on submissions from fans in your community! That is a crime against incredibly talented -thief-- creator Stevee!
smh ikr?
Yeah! I mean, he only stole videos, didn’t credit, didn’t ask, didn’t give links, made a video about them making them the villain, make himself the victim, earn money from stealing, only that, right? People are so rude! Smh!
nice joke
Smh my head dude omg god!!1!
i couldn't tell if this comment i'm replying to is a comment that was made to go against steveee or side with him.
I don't know why I laughed so hard when the video ended.
I was just watching, diligently waiting for him to make a point and bring it back to the point of this video. Then I realised that those weren't evokers and I forgot all about the point of this video for a second. Then just as I remembered about the drama, I checked how much time was left for Pheonix to tie everything together and the video ended.
Absolute classic.
phoenix literally testing the limits of the span of his adhd people audience
the "animates onto the next part" was apparently implied
I paused at that time, had a long chat with someone, came back and played the video and forgot that it was about drama lol
i am the 1000 guy to like this commnt
this was literally me right here.
I love the part where he evokes feelings of vindication.
underrated pun
Honestly, Phoenix did something extremely wise. He didn't get down to the level of Steeve, he simply ignored him because what Steeve did is horrible.
Really, blaming other as a way to defend yourself is just extremely stupid, not only that, but he was blaming something that happened 3 YEARS AGO. I have a big respect for you Phoenix.
What the other youtubers "copied" was very often through: Reddit links, specific people asking to showcase, showcasing it(aka, not presenting as their own work), shouting someone out before, during or after the build and giving credit. Not a single idea is posted as their own.
What Steveee does: "you made this?" ........ "I maked this"
He is a true Chad. Gigachad, even
Even if phenix stoll the video, why is Stevee the only one making a video?
steveee wasnt even around 3 years ago lmao
@HBegaming YT an actual intelligent take on TH-cam? crazy world we live in
The transition to the vindicator segment was so smooth I didn't even notice what was happening until ~15 seconds later
I thought he was gonna go on about his content coming from his Reddit and then the video ended lol.
I didn't notice until after the video ended and thought I totally blanked on a part of it.
@@SpeedAcademy2 sussy baka
Steveee is like that one kid who cries and tells the P.E. teacher you won't give him the ball even when he's on the other team
Yea I really don't get Steveeee.
That death message for instance, of course there are gonna be more than 1 video made about that!
And 'long pistons' have been talked and memed about for years.
I don’t know why I love this analogy so much lmao
@@Dusti_buns you just defended steveeee? by saying that these concepts stick for years, youre justifying his creation of these videos, so he guilty because he did them later, but theyre not guilty because they did it eariler? its a timeless concept isnt it?
@@th8386 don't think so, phoenix, makenstein, etc. made their own versions of it. their own datapacks. however ppl like stevve just downloaded the datapack other people made, made a video on it and gave 0 credits to the person who made those datapacks.
using a concept/taking inspiration to make something is not wrong, but stealing something, making a video on it and giving no credits to the person who made it is wrong. not to mention he watermarks his "showcases" with his name, even though he did not make it
sorry if my english is not good, not my main language
@@theunium I don't see any problems with your English besides the lack of apostrophes and capitalization which is normal inside a TH-cam comment section because this isn't English class and I should stop trying to use proper grammar till I frick up and look dumb. Good job :)
Best of wishes on your surgery Phoenix! And remember, take as much time as needed to recover, after all your health is more important than your fame and, even so we are always going to stick around wishing you the best.
Long story short, Stevee made a scapegoat, phoenix is guilty for making good content and hope your surgery goes well phoenix!
@Ohjustgivemehatecomments he's just a prick
Hmmm, well isn't this an oddity, TH-cam says you have 1 reply...but I came to read it and it's not here...soooo, now you have 2'nt replies :/
@@xenno8496 Now I'm the 3n't commenter
@@FishyTheKobold I'm the 4th
@@xenno8496 Yeah TH-cam has long since implemented something in the comment sections which hides comments based on some arbitrary conditions. Like you could get a notification that a comment exists, but it wouldn't be viewable in comment sections. Honestly I have no idea what those conditions are, because bots constantly say sus things but don't get deleted so 🤷
did you know that statistically, left-handed people are better at writing than people with no hands
never would of guessed!
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@@Thomaas551 no need to be salty you rock head
Fun fact:
People with eyes have a 100x better chance of shooting a target first try than someone without eyes!
Did you know that people with dog turd smeared on their eyes, have the same chance of stabbing someone right in the heart as a blind guy?
It’s all fine Phoenix, we’re on your side and we trust you. Vindicators are not evokers.
Facts
Except bot above me. they are horrible.
Yeah pretty much. Phoenix is in the right.
But what I like about steveees "apology" is bro said tik tok content doesn't "strain the brain" when really it rots your attention span.
Edit: Yeah I'm like revisiting this video and it's like old. Kinda just bored and accidentally had this video playing in the background and felt like commenting like very late.
i love the part where he said "time to address the allegations against me" and addressed the allegations against him all over the place
i think the line was “it’s phoenixin time”
@@adonysus And then he proceeded to Phoenix all over the place.
I think he said “It’s addressing time!”
This is overdone content. Post removed from r/PhoenixSC
It's funny that Steveee is accusing PhoenixSC for "stealing", which is actually just coding cursed images in the game that takes several hours of work and a very good knowledge of code in the first place, all while Steveee literally spends 10-20 minutes to cut/edit others content 💀(which takes way less skill than learning how to code)
it would take about 3-5 minutes to cut and edit with my 20 yr old pc lmao
I hope all of his Devices randomly blows up. He should be banned from accessing the internet again
Yeah, and what’s sad is when steveee copies off smaller TH-camrs, he actually sometimes gets more watch time and money. I mean it’s obvious but… some of the TH-camrs wouldn’t be able to speak about it since their channel isn’t big enough to be believed
@@signorfinancial the smaller channels could support their own point by showing that they uploaded a video with the idea much earlier than that unoriginal palette swap of steve, but they'd still not be believed because no one would care.
@@generallyunimportant yeah, that’s my point! :D
Just when we had thought stevee wouldn't get any worse
I stopped seeing steevee's videos, what has he been doing?
Who even is this SteveE guy? He's such a noname I have legit never heard of him before until now.
@@robertbalazslorincz8218 from what I saw of him in the past without all of this, they just make fun youtube shorts of munecraft creations/mods.
Not much to be controversial about...
@@wasntwas steal content
@@wasntwas yea he copies 1 to 1
I love how he completely dodges the topic and instead talks about the usual stuff 🤣
@Ohjustgivemehatecomments nope
Just like stevee
Dodging the question xd
@@ThatNoobKing Well, "dodged" if you ignore the first half of the video :V
@@ThatNoobKing he adressed it. by giving it the care it deserved. it's all the defense you need when the arguments are that abysmal
@@RePorpoised yeah I know, it wasn't a serious reply
I love how everyone was expecting drama from this video when Phoenix just ended it saying that Mojang made a mistake in a video, completely changing the speech. He just moved on and didn't care, because it really is true, the only winning move is not to play.
I love this man's charisma. He effortlessly proved himself not guilty at the same time he kept the essence of his channel with the Mojang video.
Did he just… did he… did he just respond by looking at something completely different and not addressing the accusations? Gigachad. This is the proper way to handle these kiddos.
@Ohjustgivemehatecomments nope he's just an ass
Thats what I was wondering
"i need to respond to these allegations"
*proceeds to show parts of the video and then talk about evokers
For a bit I thought I was just too stupid to understand the metaphor Phoenix was making...
I legit thought I accidentally clicked on a different video halfway through
Phoenix is an immovable object.
He is not to be trifled with.
You're all good here, I hope the surgery goes well.
this is why i dont play minecraft
"No matter how much the wind howls, the mountaint won't bow down to him"
when a unstoppable force will met the immovable object
This is what happens when a stoppable force (steveee) meets an immovable object (phoenix SC)
@@LavaCreeperPeople it's easy to play minecraft and absolutely ignore the entire community around it tho
honestly when i read the title i was very scared it was something terrible (i’ve seen it happen so many times where youtubers i like end up being horrible) im so glad it’s just this agh.
Don't worry Phoenix, we'll still follow you and support you no matter what anyone says! Stay strong 💪
This is a questionable mindset for when something bad actually happens
@@Grindelsire lmao
Well what if he does some mess up stuff like dating someone underage (not saying he did, just saying what if that happens)
as a swiss person i do not in any way agree or dissagree with this opinion
Imagine if you'll regret it one day
I appreciate you addressing the allegations, I cannot believe Mojang would mess up such a simple thing like calling Vindicators the wrong name.
Literally his argument:
"If I cannot give a source to every single video I make, then I won't do it ever, whether I can or not"
Conclusion: evokers are not vindicators
1:51
bro the credit is literally right on top!
was about to be extremely worried you had a little sausage problem where it led you to the wrong age group or something along those lines. Finding out it's just Steveee, you immediately were in the clear for me
same
I can’t tell if little sausage is a euphemism or the name of someone
@@nortalian549 it's an euphemism
I...have absolutely no idea what any of this means lol. It's like a different language
@@andrewbloom7694 I think they thought phoenix was gonna be accused of being a p£do
I love how Phoenix SC went from explaining the accusations against him to explaining proving some random Minecraft stuff.
phoenix at his most fundamental
Oh boy. Steveee is quite problematic (with a lot of proof). Shouldn’t be coming after you (or anyone who made a video about him & his stealing)
You rock Phoenix & it’s in your right to defend yourself. There’s a large difference between stealing & expanding on something after getting inspired & also actually giving credit.
@ٴ L + bot + ratio
The bot account likely deleted the comment. Probably was a bot from stevee
@littlemxdreamie look who they replied to...
There is also a large difference between evokers and vindicators!
@👁 𝐒𝐄𝐄𝐊…👁 look at the @
There should be a little mark to the left of it
The fact that he mentions how the big TH-camrs are “bullying” him makes me wonder if he’s a young kid, who may be unaware how plagiarism works and how it affects the original creators. I dunno, just a theory.
I have exactly 0% trust in anyone using voiceover AI so don’t worry, you’re good.
except, perhaps, igblon?
I 100% agree
When I hear it in videos I click of faster than light
I just makes me feel like they're hiding something
Those snakes
I can't believe Pyrocinical would do this
so true
Truly the lowest of lows, I’m turning off notifications
yeah can't believe pyro would commission furry inflation art from his gf.
ah, yes. "it is not reasonable to credit these videos because there are so many duplicates."
lord help this man if he ever writes a college essay
Lord help the world if college standards are ever low enough to let him in
I think he's saying there is no one credit because you can't find the og
It's like trying to give a patent when a million people claim it
@@kringle7804 thing is he complained about it, but apparently he was willing enough to go find the first person to do the idea just to "call out other TH-camrs"
Yet wasn't willing enough to credit the person he got the idea directly from, like one case I've seen multiple times is Mumbo Jumbo where he takes Mumbo's ideas and copies them without credit
phoenix: *defending himself with facts and evidence*
also phoenix: HE ISNT SUBSCRIBED!?!?!?!
I stopped watching Steevee ages ago, unsure why but this only cements that I will never return. Phoenix, your reasoning was so bulletproof and obvious that I felt like a fool for even watching Steevee years ago. Absolutely congratulations on the global peace award btw.
Yeah people were saying that they were a thief ages ago so I avoided their content
@@SpeedAcademy2 nAH
comment bots
they so dumb
@@pumkin610why does it matter if they steal content or not
@@valleyofparadise theft isn't exactly a respectable activity, especially stealing hard work like redstone and not giving credit it's despicable. Not as despicable as animal rescue videos and family channels but ehh its up there
Double it and give it to the next person
Peak comment
Do you want 2 apologies, or double it to the next person?
@@NamelessTheHater Double it.
W comment
Do you want 4 apologies, or double it to the next person?
Wish you well, Phoenix. Rise from the ashes, like a real phoenix does
He won't need to, he will never die in the first place
@@alexwaterfield6075 yes
bruh he didint die He litterally just killed stevee
What ashes?
@@xenocross6597 Stevee's (?
3:12 “do these colors look familiar to you” Game theory intro plays.
Its honestly still so funny to see how little stevee has changed since he joined our "stop stevee" server
His entire logic is "If other people do this thing I can do this vaugly similar thing despite the context being extemely different"
(Oh also, megamanny (The channel Stevee claims phoenix stole the bug idea from) is ran by Воки (the same dude who runs Stevee's channel) so that made me laugh a lot when he mentioned it)
There’s a server?
For how long this server has been?
@@zou1507 no clue exactly but atleast since june 2021
@@nightowl548 yep, there's been one for a while
It was started by some planet mc creators who's work was stolen by him and it's main goal was to actually get what Stevee is doing in the public eye (Which ironically Stevee did all by himself when he stole from people who actually had a platform)
@@SamiTheAnxiousBean Could I gain an invite to this server?
this is the most "no you" response from steevee its hillariously sad lmao
If these allegations were to have any effect on any of the 4 creators, he'd have lost entire channel's worth content to steal. He's biting off his nose to spite his face.
3:34 these "evokers" are also using stone axes instead of iron.
I like the part where phoenix was addressing his allegation and allegated all over the place, this truly was the moment of all time.
would you call him an.... allegator?
@@Lilaichii alli gator
@@Lilaichii take my like and get out.
@@Lilaichii I hate you with every part and atom of my soul
@@Lilaichii pfffft, nice pun
I loved when Steevee said "it's allegations time!" and then allegationed all over the place
That was honestly the best explanation of how you make your content and sometimes accidentally copy other people, I'm so proud that you decided to address these allegations and prove them wrong
Explanation of why he isnt guilty:
1. Long pistons are a common idea, ive even thought of it before
2. The bug was taken from either reddit or the bug report, maybe reddit took it from megamanny but its a bug anyway
3. Stevee stole literal structures what
I was ready to hear the defense and I'm so glad phoenix did his usual and just did something completely different, was not expecting it lmao
@Ohjustgivemehatecomments nope
Oh, wow, Stevee. I had no idea Phoenix SC would steal the idea of longer pistons from someone else. It's completely impossible that he could have done this crazy thing called coming up with the idea on his own. I can't believe that Phoenix didn't think of pistons but longer many years after the first video about it came out. Long pistons is such an incredible and crazy idea, no wonder he had to steal it. He couldn't possibly have thought of it himself!
(Because this is the internet, I have to specify. This is sarcasm.)
It's ridiculous, it's almost as if Phoenix SC just makes stuff he sees on his subreddit!
I can only imagine that the guy who accused Phoenix thinks like this cause it's the same thing he is apparently doing for ages (Copying content), in his mind maybe it's the only way to come with stuff
for sarcasm just type /s at the end. For a joke just type /j at the end
if someone doesn't understand then you can proceed to laugh at them
/s
@@henrikino There's a theory that we can't even make original ideas. Like it's impossible to make new ideas, only remixed ideas that you already know of. The most common example used for this is that you can't imagine a new color
I love that his defense is "yeah, i don't know why I'm in this situation. anyways, back to correcting mojang again."
i what i love is how you credited his video in the description
Fun fact: soon if we for some reason want to see Steveee’s “exposed” video for ourselves, it will take a few scrolling through his countless stolen videos he makes every day. He already made like five after the video!
Colour me not surprised. :-D
Love you Phoenix
It's times like this when, for some reason, I say out loud even though I'm home alone: "We love you Phoenix"
Lmao that doesn’t fucking happen
Oof, having to do this right before surgery. Don’t take these low effort “allegations” too seriously, and hope it goes well
it took me a second watch through of that part to realise what you did. Using the evoker and vindicator thingy as a metaphor is genius honestly
I realized it was an analogy, just can't figure out how exactly it all works lol.
Is it that stevee is an evoker, because he made the style and send his "vexes" (fans) to attack other creators, and the creators stevee attacks are "vindicators" who are trying to take him down?
@@flashlightning6742 It's not even that complicated. It's literally just "look at this guy talking out of his ass about something that's incredibly obvious to anyone with five minutes of experience in the fandom they're trying to talk about. He's just as bad as Stevee."
@@MrMcSpiff i had a stroke reading that
@@tomikun8057 did you clean up after?
@@MrMcSpiff Oh I see, I assumed it was deeper than that lol. That does make sense, he is showing how Stevee just pointed out an obvious mistake/slip up and acted like those creators violated the Geneva Convention.
Don't know what that other reply to you was about, it was as clear and easy to read as any other comment is.
It's always nice to see Phoenix cloaked in drama, intrigue, & fashion.
The biggest problem with Stevee, isn't that he's stealing content. It's that he isn't subscribed to Phoenix.
Yes
Phoenix knows his community loves and supports him (and knows he’s not in the wrong), so much, that he didn’t even bother to defend himself. What a chad
So Steveee got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, and then says that it was _your_ hand.
Sure, buddy, sure.
It's more like "Hey, you bought these cookies at the store, so therefore I can steal them"
or maybe "You made these cookies using your grandmother's recipe, so I can take the cookies."
@@TheTrueThanos more like you stole cookies too so I can
In that case we just whole everyone accountable
@@TheTrueThanos i'd say it's more like "you got these cookies from the store, so that means i can too!"
except phoenix actually paid for them whereas steveee's blatantly trying to tiptoe out of the door with a handful of stolen cookies, all while he's pointing fingers at everyone else but himself
I dont understand how he even got away with this
3:40 I love the part where you search my name
"People profit off of me"
"I take a 9 minute video and reduce it to 1 minute, it's what the viewers need!"
literally just Uno reverse card himself in his own video about stolen content
Good luck on your surgery, Phoenix!
Stevieee is the kind of person to slightly paraphrase someone else's article and submit it as homework.
The fact steveeee's not subscribed already downright proves how innocent you are
How do you not have a name???
Hope your surgery goes well!
Gotta love how steevee, the TH-camr regularly accused of stealing content, is accusing phoenixsc for stealing content as well despite phoenix simply taking inspiration
I didn't know you were having surgery tomorrow.
Good luck with recover Phoenix!
(And please for the love of god don't slack if you have to do Physical Therapy)
MY perception of copying is if ALL or MOST of your content is fully based off of something else that was created, or if it's something that's specific (because trends exist). Phoenix has a lot of content that's completely unique, and most things that could be claimed to be copied are repeated a lot, which I consider a trend.
Hope your surgery goes well. Wish you a speedy recovery :)
Saw the thumbnail, was vaguely scared for the future of this channel, but the millisecond I saw steevee was the accuser, my stress levels dropped. It's clearly just for attention
Hey Phoenix! Just wanted to comment and say best of luck with your surgery hope all goes well! Absolutley love your videos no matter what anyone else says. Keep up the good work!
As for the weird death message thing, does Steveee even consider that maybe someone might be doing a subject someone else has done... because they got inspiration from something else?
Hell, I discover something cool and tell others about only to get a response of "We _know,_ doofus!"
Steve's biggest mistake was not subscribing to Phoenix
Bro is literally trying to make us feel guilty for him, while stealing others...
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This was possibly the best way anyone has addressed controversy involving themselves
Stevee really just said “we steal ideas and convert them to short videos and we can’t credit them because we can’t find the sources, we are demonstrating this by showing you the fact we found the source.”
"it is often impossible to find the original video" then proceeds to show a flow chart all the way back to the original video, well done steveee, you played yourself
I do think it's incredibly hard to pinpoint when someone has "copied" another person, there's a ton of content that some people don't see for ages or it becomes popular much later on. Especially with minecraft, an idea like an extended piston has existed for Years, and there's probably at *least* 20 mods out there with some form of it out of the tens of thousands of mods. Originality is difficult these days, I only wouldn't say this is plagiarism because, everyone has their own scripts and video styles, and some probably jump on a band wagon if an idea is popular at the time, y'know?
I don't know why, but I have a feeling that no matter what happens to PhoenixSC and his channel, he would rise and live again in flames, just a hunch, I don't know exactly why...
"I'll let you watch it in your own time"
As if we would watch Steevee regularly and unironicaly
Ah yes, Steveeeee, a “creator” decides to put some controversy against Phoenix.
Truly how the tables have turned.
The O in Steveee stands for original content
4:22 when phoenix isn’t even subscribed to the minecraft channel 😂
I love how basically nothing happened with this situation because everyone just collectively hated steveee
3:30 …stone axes? they have iron ones?