The id2 was never to come out earlier than this year. They need the lfp cell production up and running first. From the published news the production in Salzgitter is coming along.
@stephenbagwell8275 the model 2 was specifically sub 25 k as promised. It would have been built on a dedicated line but that was scrapped. The model coming this year is a "budget" model, but not the model 2. Likely over 30k. Probably depends on whether Elon can keep skirting the 25% tariffs on Chinese batteries as he has been doing. I expect the CATL blacklist will be an issue.
Legacy automakers have been prioritising premium cars over smaller more affordable models for years, even purposefully dropping smaller high volume modules. At the same time rising the prices of their remaining vehicles to what previously was a premium level, seeking to shift the market from an ownership based one to a leased based one, where cars are just financial 'vehicles' to generate perpetual deposit and interest revenue upon, in both new and used markets.
Agreed, been saying it for years but apparently I was wrong - marketing decided to make luxury cars making EV’s become something that we could aspire to - but was ultimately out of our reach. In my opinion they should have concentrated in the other direction start with small cars and gradually those owners would transfer to larger cars - if the small cars were good.
Apparently the oems have been saying for years they make little to nothing off the small low end car ls, as the cost between the higher end and low end isn't that much more to produce. But they sell for much more. If you think of it. Budget cars now comes with a ton of tech, bells and whistles. Just look at how expensive the last fiesta was 20k? I remember when they were about 6k. I seen a Micra sport last year in a nissan garage for £26k for a f'n Micra! I looked up the cost of a 1986 xr3i yesterday it was £6300, or £21k in today's money. An equivalent car today would be the Cupra born, that's £40k. The Born is just a jazzed up id3, which was meant to be the current golf, but they switched the name at the last moment and kept the gold going that much longer. As it didn't score well with the focus groups. Probably cos the gen 1 was not a finished product. This is why I say a Cupra born is very much the 86 xr3i or today. And it's relatively twice the price. A golf GTi is knocking on 40k too. That is as like for like as you'll get. No wonder my mum could have a couple of years old xr3i and dad a couple of year old nice spec 2l sierra (that's all he would drive my mum escorts), they were literally cheaper than my single jazzed up everyday/everyman car. combind the pair where probably sub 15k in today's money. Add that to the cheaper houses, no wonder our youth today are screwed and never going to afford a house or a new car that isn't other financed to hell or leased An all out revolution is needed, not just in the car space.
@@StephenButlerOne - Interesting comment, that means the larger/premium cars are being sold significantly above cost, pricing at a high perception value rather than reflect their actual cost. This becomes doubly so for BEVs, given they are even cheaper to produce with fewer parts, and the cost of the batteries dropping all the time. How can high prices for BEVs be justified or sustained going forwards?
VW did make a small EV it was the VW eup, (Seat Mii & Skoda citygo). I have the Seat Mii which is a fantastic car that is not overly complicated, new price was £22800. I bought mine second hand at 13k 2300 miles 2 years old but like new. They stop production after I think 3 years as they were losing money on each one they sold. If they do make a ID2 they will have to improve the software if it's like the ID3.
Yes, they are fine for commuting and city driving. I was heavily debating buying one in 2021. The mii was just 11500€ new back then with the electric car subsidies in Germany. In 2023 i could have sold the two year old car for 13 or even 14k. So basically drive it 2 years for free and get 2k on top.
Even in the pre-EV era it was very difficult for established brands to make money out of small cars. Using labour-intensive methods of production they cost nearly as much to make as large, more premium, vehicles. Famously the original Mini never turned a profit. That's why the US car industry abandoned the small car market to the Japanese. VW had a fine, if now dated, EV in the e-Up and its brethren but evidently stopped making it to cut their losses. VW probably has the designers and engineers that could develop a means of making cost-competitve small cars by revolutionising and automating the production process, but it is more of an employment industry than a business. Cheap labour, as in China, is a stepping-stone to no labour. A big adjustment is needed by more than just the VW group.
I suspect it's less about labour and more about automation - the chinese factories employ less people per site than the European ones with higher use of robots. This is similar, though not to the same degree, with UK plants where the ratio of automation to humans is higher than many on continent, since the UK automaker industry was decimated in the 1980's what remained had to become lean to survive (excepting the specialist/luxury marques, of course, which make a value out of hand building cars).
In the UK in 2024 only 1 in every 11 EV sales/registrations were to a private buyer yet there were plenty of EV's available for private buyers to purchase.I'm not a business expert but really I can't see what any manufacturer can do in those circumstances.There were electric vehicles available to purchase, there were discounts & incentives in place to encourage sales, there were people with the financial wherewithal to purchase new vehicles as evidenced by the 2 million new vehicles sold.
I’m retired and I have leased not purchased my last Mini Cooper S E and now 3 years later at the end of the lease I’ve leased an electric Countryman. I think you will find those with a bit of savvy are leasing EVs not buying them.
UK private individuals can buy (register) cars through many avenures, that the SMMT split into two, confusingly named, market segment for their stats - the 'private' and 'fleet' market segments, this reflects the first buying contact for a vehicle from the automaker rather than the actual 'registered keeper' of the vehicle. As the government pointed out recently in response to the SMMT, individuals are chosing to purchase cars through leasing channels, particularly BEVs where good leasing deals are to be had. This channel is referred to as the 'fleet' segment as sales occur via leasing company (including the automakers own leasing divisions) rather than direct to a private individual. The 'Fleet' segment includes a high propotion of registrations 'sales' to individuals not just to companies, including via personal leasing and salary sacrifice (which differes to company cars, as the individual is often the 'registered keeper' of the vehicle not the company/scheme operator). This purchasing pattern has been a trend in the UK for over a decade with the, poorly named, private market segment (cash, bank/personal loan etc. sales - i.e. those not leased) dropping to only 38% of the overall market in 2024, from over the 50% level a decade or so ago. Automakers prefer the private 'sale' market segement as they can make higher profits per car than via lease sales; where volume discounts to leasing companies occur to attract business. This is partly why automakers increase the price of cars in the UK as the automakers price for lease sales and any private sale is a bonus. As most people have become aware of this the popularity of leasing has increased, where often offers better deals and rates can be achieved; so a higher proportion of vehicles are recorded within fleet market segment than the private market segment. However, as the volume of cars on the 2nd user market now come from leased vehicles, they tend to have a higher headline depreciation (both EV and ICE cars) as it reflects the discounted offered to the leasing company. This means those purchase through the private market segment are at a disadvantage, unless they are good a negotiating and hit the dealership at the right time to make up quarterly numbers, as the trade-in/cash-in price for their car is much lower. Hence lose on average more money than those accessing a car via leasing - particular those with leasing discounts/low rates offered such as BEVs at the moment.
To be honest, I totally give up on all VAG vehicles. The iD2 could easily come out to replace the VW E-Up but they actually do not want to sell cars at a price people can afford. Plus I do not trust their LG Chem battery packs.
Issue is they couldn’t produce a polo ev cost effectively enough to compete against Chinese there’s a bigger issue a huge contingent of small vehicle budget ev drivers don’t have access to a home charger.
How "huge" is that contingent you think? In the biggest market in the EU, about 70% lives in a 1 family house that has, or could have the possibility to charge at home. 70% is a huge contingent.
@@BMWHP2 - Another near 70% EV supporting figure, this time from the UK - is that similarly 68% of UK households have access of off street parking; based on the latest UK government household survery, published in December.
@@Un-Apologetic - I'm making no such assumptions, just stating the published facts. You're also ignoring the impacts of time and innovation. BEVs are already starting to hit price parity, and some cheaper than ICE, this will become more the case over time as the cost of batteries continue to drop and energy density increases needing smaller battery pack in the average need car. Hence your '25%' will over the next few years shift to BEVs if price is their critical criteria, buying a car that meets their daily needs or at a time when the cost of using an ICE car becomes too expensive. Of the remaing laggard segment, they will likely opt for EREVs if range is their primary concern (or until BEV range increases to a level their comfortable with) or will resign themselves to buy ICE, eventually as older used cars as time goes on.
So what you are saying, is they are they are following the Tesla plan after the Roadster, model S and model X, extremely expensive luxury cars at the time. Then Model 3 and Y, lower priced large cars still targeting the upper middle class private buyer or fleet markets. Then the model 2....... Oh, where is the model 2, it may be out this year or not, but I'm quite sure it was announced as a future model before March 23 when the VW ID2 was first announced, .but they got distracted and delayed with the cyber truck. The big difference is Tesla makes no ice cars, legacy Auto obviously does, so the LEV mandate only benefits Tesla and Chinese "start up" / new to UK market, when it guarantees to be hurting legacy Auto. VW do have the ID3/Cupra Born/ Skoda Elroc Golf size full electric, smaller than any Tesla.
We live in Netherlands. With the subsidies stiil in place in 2023 or 2024, we would probably have bought an EV from VW, when it was in the sub €25.000 price range and had a +300km range and had a 80kW+ charger. VW had not, so we bought the Dongfeng Nammi Box for €23.400 and had the €2950 subsidy bonus. So less than €21.000. Lucky for us, the Dongfeng turns out to be a lot better than the BYD Dolphin or Citroën ëC3 Max.
VW does not have the adequate hardware and software integration design and the efficient production methods that seem specific to evs like tesla. Without this efficency there will be no id2. So they have to struggle hard to achieve this as soon as possible!
The ID2 would still be built on the outdated, inefficient MEB platform which means that it would be a loss maker, so no incentive for VW to make it as they are trying to increase profit not loss even more. Not to mention the dodgy software they have!
Hey Dave, you has a battery swap video a few days ago. Chery auto is producing 2 vehicles coming in q3 that will fit in nio's swapping infrastructure per CNEV Post. A few other manufacturers are on board as well, tho no concrete prototypes or news yet.
Well this is a complex issue. Given the existence of the MG4 and others, would the iD2 have been the success you say it might have been? I don’t think they could have match the MG4 of price, and the famed German quality of the VW brand might not have justified the higher price. I think they look a gamble on the Buzz being a halo product that would get potential EV buyers to think about VW. And in one case it (kind of) worked. I was ready to pull the trigger on an MG4, but my wife was excited by the Buzz (her family had owned an original bus when she was a kid). So we went to check one out. VW didn't make the sale,too little car for too much money, but across the showroom, this dealer sold Skodas. One look at the Enyaq, and I was sold. So VW’s Buzz did lose China at least one customer.
One aspect, not really realised by many posters, is that while lots of budget/smaller models of ICE made at least small profit/unit there is another, different, reason to consider - re making new-technology EV cars. The fewer ‘high-end’ models could provide a greater head-space for any necessary recalls until the technology bugs were sorted out. Fewer vehicles to be recalled makes sense over recalling many more smaller/less profitable models for alterations/repairs.
The ID2 is coming and part of the whole mess will be the new battery technology, LFP cells from china will be needed. The chinese will not buy the ncm for high prices so they needed LFP batteries. And part of the sourcing strategy of the early 20's was to get long lasting contracts for good prices so they had to stay with old NCM before they could get ahead. ID.2 might be the first one to get a new name like Polo electric or whatsoever. Small cars are no longer a solution for most european manufacturers except those from cheap eastern european countries or like the french northern africa. Next Golf will come also in 3 years, GOLF IX will be an EV only product. Up was also not a german car, but a czech on produced in the Skoda plant.
Great one Dave, too much time has been given to keep the old ways alive as they did not want to commit over EV's. But EV's have been winning drivers and owners over and putting pain to the legacy as they are not offering what the people want. As you say, there is a chance they can save themselves but it is going back to cars for the masses. Cars had also become to expensive and again we need cheaper ones, but electric.
The VW eUP is shamelessly missing without any immediate successor VW just wants to flog off lazily profitable crossover-SUVs like all their competitors, if they could they'd be TDIs too. VW has beached itself into being a premium brand.
The ID 2 is coming out later this year… suspect it’ll be Sept my sources tell me at VW… plus there’s a new version of the ID3… VW in trouble… I doubt it…
Any ID2 needs a much lighter cheaper to make platform and ideally a semi solid state battery to give 300 mile range. VW may have gond back to the drawing board and developing an ID2 size car with one of its Chinese partners.
The id2 was never to come out earlier than this year. They need the lfp cell production up and running first. From the published news the production in Salzgitter is coming along.
This is coming out when the tesla model 2 is coming out 😁
I think the Model 2 is coming this year & now going to be called Model Q
@stephenbagwell8275 the model 2 was specifically sub 25 k as promised. It would have been built on a dedicated line but that was scrapped. The model coming this year is a "budget" model, but not the model 2. Likely over 30k. Probably depends on whether Elon can keep skirting the 25% tariffs on Chinese batteries as he has been doing. I expect the CATL blacklist will be an issue.
@@shreeshsaurya4203 ahh I see. Thank you. I'm sure president leon will figure it out.
Legacy automakers have been prioritising premium cars over smaller more affordable models for years, even purposefully dropping smaller high volume modules. At the same time rising the prices of their remaining vehicles to what previously was a premium level, seeking to shift the market from an ownership based one to a leased based one, where cars are just financial 'vehicles' to generate perpetual deposit and interest revenue upon, in both new and used markets.
modules = models
Agreed, been saying it for years but apparently I was wrong - marketing decided to make luxury cars making EV’s become something that we could aspire to - but was ultimately out of our reach. In my opinion they should have concentrated in the other direction start with small cars and gradually those owners would transfer to larger cars - if the small cars were good.
@@bordersw1239 - oddly that's what the Chinese did, started with the smaller cars first and progressed upwards.
Apparently the oems have been saying for years they make little to nothing off the small low end car ls, as the cost between the higher end and low end isn't that much more to produce. But they sell for much more. If you think of it. Budget cars now comes with a ton of tech, bells and whistles.
Just look at how expensive the last fiesta was 20k? I remember when they were about 6k. I seen a Micra sport last year in a nissan garage for £26k for a f'n Micra!
I looked up the cost of a 1986 xr3i yesterday it was £6300, or £21k in today's money. An equivalent car today would be the Cupra born, that's £40k.
The Born is just a jazzed up id3, which was meant to be the current golf, but they switched the name at the last moment and kept the gold going that much longer. As it didn't score well with the focus groups. Probably cos the gen 1 was not a finished product.
This is why I say a Cupra born is very much the 86 xr3i or today. And it's relatively twice the price. A golf GTi is knocking on 40k too. That is as like for like as you'll get.
No wonder my mum could have a couple of years old xr3i and dad a couple of year old nice spec 2l sierra (that's all he would drive my mum escorts), they were literally cheaper than my single jazzed up everyday/everyman car. combind the pair where probably sub 15k in today's money. Add that to the cheaper houses, no wonder our youth today are screwed and never going to afford a house or a new car that isn't other financed to hell or leased
An all out revolution is needed, not just in the car space.
@@StephenButlerOne - Interesting comment, that means the larger/premium cars are being sold significantly above cost, pricing at a high perception value rather than reflect their actual cost.
This becomes doubly so for BEVs, given they are even cheaper to produce with fewer parts, and the cost of the batteries dropping all the time. How can high prices for BEVs be justified or sustained going forwards?
Dave your videos are on point!
VW did make a small EV it was the VW eup, (Seat Mii & Skoda citygo). I have the Seat Mii which is a fantastic car that is not overly complicated, new price was £22800. I bought mine second hand at 13k 2300 miles 2 years old but like new. They stop production after I think 3 years as they were losing money on each one they sold. If they do make a ID2 they will have to improve the software if it's like the ID3.
Yes, they are fine for commuting and city driving. I was heavily debating buying one in 2021. The mii was just 11500€ new back then with the electric car subsidies in Germany. In 2023 i could have sold the two year old car for 13 or even 14k. So basically drive it 2 years for free and get 2k on top.
Even in the pre-EV era it was very difficult for established brands to make money out of small cars. Using labour-intensive methods of production they cost nearly as much to make as large, more premium, vehicles. Famously the original Mini never turned a profit. That's why the US car industry abandoned the small car market to the Japanese. VW had a fine, if now dated, EV in the e-Up and its brethren but evidently stopped making it to cut their losses. VW probably has the designers and engineers that could develop a means of making cost-competitve small cars by revolutionising and automating the production process, but it is more of an employment industry than a business. Cheap labour, as in China, is a stepping-stone to no labour. A big adjustment is needed by more than just the VW group.
I suspect it's less about labour and more about automation - the chinese factories employ less people per site than the European ones with higher use of robots.
This is similar, though not to the same degree, with UK plants where the ratio of automation to humans is higher than many on continent, since the UK automaker industry was decimated in the 1980's what remained had to become lean to survive (excepting the specialist/luxury marques, of course, which make a value out of hand building cars).
In the UK in 2024 only 1 in every 11 EV sales/registrations were to a private buyer yet there were plenty of EV's available for private buyers to purchase.I'm not a business expert but really I can't see what any manufacturer can do in those circumstances.There were electric vehicles available to purchase, there were discounts & incentives in place to encourage sales, there were people with the financial wherewithal to purchase new vehicles as evidenced by the 2 million new vehicles sold.
I’m retired and I have leased not purchased my last Mini Cooper S E and now 3 years later at the end of the lease I’ve leased an electric Countryman. I think you will find those with a bit of savvy are leasing EVs not buying them.
@@timoliver8940”Those with a bit of savvy”?! That’s £20k gone for hiring a vehicle for three years and covering limited miles in it!
UK private individuals can buy (register) cars through many avenures, that the SMMT split into two, confusingly named, market segment for their stats - the 'private' and 'fleet' market segments, this reflects the first buying contact for a vehicle from the automaker rather than the actual 'registered keeper' of the vehicle.
As the government pointed out recently in response to the SMMT, individuals are chosing to purchase cars through leasing channels, particularly BEVs where good leasing deals are to be had. This channel is referred to as the 'fleet' segment as sales occur via leasing company (including the automakers own leasing divisions) rather than direct to a private individual. The 'Fleet' segment includes a high propotion of registrations 'sales' to individuals not just to companies, including via personal leasing and salary sacrifice (which differes to company cars, as the individual is often the 'registered keeper' of the vehicle not the company/scheme operator). This purchasing pattern has been a trend in the UK for over a decade with the, poorly named, private market segment (cash, bank/personal loan etc. sales - i.e. those not leased) dropping to only 38% of the overall market in 2024, from over the 50% level a decade or so ago.
Automakers prefer the private 'sale' market segement as they can make higher profits per car than via lease sales; where volume discounts to leasing companies occur to attract business. This is partly why automakers increase the price of cars in the UK as the automakers price for lease sales and any private sale is a bonus. As most people have become aware of this the popularity of leasing has increased, where often offers better deals and rates can be achieved; so a higher proportion of vehicles are recorded within fleet market segment than the private market segment.
However, as the volume of cars on the 2nd user market now come from leased vehicles, they tend to have a higher headline depreciation (both EV and ICE cars) as it reflects the discounted offered to the leasing company. This means those purchase through the private market segment are at a disadvantage, unless they are good a negotiating and hit the dealership at the right time to make up quarterly numbers, as the trade-in/cash-in price for their car is much lower. Hence lose on average more money than those accessing a car via leasing - particular those with leasing discounts/low rates offered such as BEVs at the moment.
To be honest, I totally give up on all VAG vehicles. The iD2 could easily come out to replace the VW E-Up but they actually do not want to sell cars at a price people can afford. Plus I do not trust their LG Chem battery packs.
The clues in the name for Volkswagen, the people’s car.
Issue is they couldn’t produce a polo ev cost effectively enough to compete against Chinese there’s a bigger issue a huge contingent of small vehicle budget ev drivers don’t have access to a home charger.
How "huge" is that contingent you think?
In the biggest market in the EU, about 70% lives in a 1 family house that has, or could have the possibility to charge at home. 70% is a huge contingent.
@@BMWHP2 - Another near 70% EV supporting figure, this time from the UK - is that similarly 68% of UK households have access of off street parking; based on the latest UK government household survery, published in December.
That's assuming all 68% want to buy a BEV.
Out of that 68% there will be at least 25% that can't afford one.
10-20% that don't want one.
@@Un-Apologetic - I'm making no such assumptions, just stating the published facts.
You're also ignoring the impacts of time and innovation. BEVs are already starting to hit price parity, and some cheaper than ICE, this will become more the case over time as the cost of batteries continue to drop and energy density increases needing smaller battery pack in the average need car. Hence your '25%' will over the next few years shift to BEVs if price is their critical criteria, buying a car that meets their daily needs or at a time when the cost of using an ICE car becomes too expensive.
Of the remaing laggard segment, they will likely opt for EREVs if range is their primary concern (or until BEV range increases to a level their comfortable with) or will resign themselves to buy ICE, eventually as older used cars as time goes on.
So what you are saying, is they are they are following the Tesla plan after the Roadster, model S and model X, extremely expensive luxury cars at the time. Then Model 3 and Y, lower priced large cars still targeting the upper middle class private buyer or fleet markets. Then the model 2....... Oh, where is the model 2, it may be out this year or not, but I'm quite sure it was announced as a future model before March 23 when the VW ID2 was first announced, .but they got distracted and delayed with the cyber truck.
The big difference is Tesla makes no ice cars, legacy Auto obviously does, so the LEV mandate only benefits Tesla and Chinese "start up" / new to UK market, when it guarantees to be hurting legacy Auto.
VW do have the ID3/Cupra Born/ Skoda Elroc Golf size full electric, smaller than any Tesla.
We live in Netherlands.
With the subsidies stiil in place in 2023 or 2024, we would probably have bought an EV from VW, when it was in the sub €25.000 price range and had a +300km range and had a 80kW+ charger.
VW had not, so we bought the Dongfeng Nammi Box for €23.400 and had the €2950 subsidy bonus. So less than €21.000.
Lucky for us, the Dongfeng turns out to be a lot better than the BYD Dolphin or Citroën ëC3 Max.
If only they had a cheap, reliable energy supply to continue their manufacturing industries.
Oh dear.
VW does not have the adequate hardware and software integration design and the efficient production methods that seem specific to evs like tesla. Without this efficency there will be no id2. So they have to struggle hard to achieve this as soon as possible!
Getting rid of hermon deese led them here.
The ID2 would still be built on the outdated, inefficient MEB platform which means that it would be a loss maker, so no incentive for VW to make it as they are trying to increase profit not loss even more. Not to mention the dodgy software they have!
Hey Dave, you has a battery swap video a few days ago. Chery auto is producing 2 vehicles coming in q3 that will fit in nio's swapping infrastructure per CNEV Post. A few other manufacturers are on board as well, tho no concrete prototypes or news yet.
Well this is a complex issue. Given the existence of the MG4 and others, would the iD2 have been the success you say it might have been? I don’t think they could have match the MG4 of price, and the famed German quality of the VW brand might not have justified the higher price. I think they look a gamble on the Buzz being a halo product that would get potential EV buyers to think about VW. And in one case it (kind of) worked. I was ready to pull the trigger on an MG4, but my wife was excited by the Buzz (her family had owned an original bus when she was a kid). So we went to check one out. VW didn't make the sale,too little car for too much money, but across the showroom, this dealer sold Skodas. One look at the Enyaq, and I was sold. So VW’s Buzz did lose China at least one customer.
well maybe, just maybe german engineering is NOT all that hot any more hahahahah
One aspect, not really realised by many posters, is that while lots of budget/smaller models of ICE made at least small profit/unit there is another, different, reason to consider - re making new-technology EV cars.
The fewer ‘high-end’ models could provide a greater head-space for any necessary recalls until the technology bugs were sorted out. Fewer vehicles to be recalled makes sense over recalling many more smaller/less profitable models for alterations/repairs.
The ID2 is coming and part of the whole mess will be the new battery technology, LFP cells from china will be needed. The chinese will not buy the ncm for high prices so they needed LFP batteries.
And part of the sourcing strategy of the early 20's was to get long lasting contracts for good prices so they had to stay with old NCM before they could get ahead.
ID.2 might be the first one to get a new name like Polo electric or whatsoever.
Small cars are no longer a solution for most european manufacturers except those from cheap eastern european countries or like the french northern africa. Next Golf will come also in 3 years, GOLF IX will be an EV only product.
Up was also not a german car, but a czech on produced in the Skoda plant.
Great one Dave, too much time has been given to keep the old ways alive as they did not want to commit over EV's. But EV's have been winning drivers and owners over and putting pain to the legacy as they are not offering what the people want. As you say, there is a chance they can save themselves but it is going back to cars for the masses. Cars had also become to expensive and again we need cheaper ones, but electric.
Winning drivers over you say 🤔
I really don't think they are.
Watch this space.
The VW eUP is shamelessly missing without any immediate successor
VW just wants to flog off lazily profitable crossover-SUVs like all their competitors, if they could they'd be TDIs too. VW has beached itself into being a premium brand.
Black levels are better Dave!
If the ID2 is as ugly as the ID3 it wouldn't have mattered when it was released.
Yes id2 for 9-20k€ is a winner 25-35k€ bllaaaah
The ID 2 is coming out later this year… suspect it’ll be Sept my sources tell me at VW… plus there’s a new version of the ID3… VW in trouble… I doubt it…
Any ID2 needs a much lighter cheaper to make platform and ideally a semi solid state battery to give 300 mile range. VW may have gond back to the drawing board and developing an ID2 size car with one of its Chinese partners.
Greed
Why would anyone buy a car from a company that has been proven to cheat, allegedly
You don’t need to worry about the allegedly, they have admitted it. 😊