Dota 2: How to Play When Your Team SUCKS at Teamwork | Pro Dota 2 Guides
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- Elevated explains the thought process and mentality required to win games in solo queue pubs when your teammates refuse to work together or coordinate.
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These comments reveal a strange problem concerning what dota is about. I think playing ranked is about winning. Some here think it's about playing a good game. I think that vein fails if you consider what constitutes good play. I think good play is doing what it takes to win. That includes handling players who are delusional and players with bad attitudes and personality problems.
Everyone who thinks that it's better to not reward bad behavior should perhaps consider that they are the problem. They are unable to cope with the pressures of playing on a team with people unlike themselves. Teamwork isn't always about reaching consensus, it can be about understanding people as they are, flaws included.
Exactly. Casual players should not play ranked games. Sadly whenever I play ranked I have to play support because 4 carries in SEA server .
@@MrNsK2 Buy dota plus and play rank roles. This way you can play as carry , just the wait times are higher.
That's why I wanna boost my MMR to decrease the chance of getting YSP. But at the same time, I wouldn't belong to that higher boostet rank because I didnt improved on the way. As a consequence I lose MMR again. Life is complicated just as like the Ranked System. And no I probably will never be as good as a pro player who could carry the game with no supports. Btw I'm Ancient 5 and I wish I could reach Divine 1 ^^
Sure and I can do it but it’s not enjoyable for me. I have my flaws and I know what they are so I adapt my situation accordingly and choose not to play. I’ve got plenty of life battles I’m fighting as it is, I don’t need another in Dota.
I was going to go negative and say you shouldn't reward bad behavior because we're reinforcing them with a false sense of accomplishment. But you're absolutely right if the name of the game is to win, then just do it. You know you have an idiot keep that idiot alive and make yourself win. Good job and happy games all esp coming from a pos 5 lifer!
The more horrifying truth is realizing you're a YSP yourself
Everybody is that sometimes if you don't put a mirror in front of your face
haha I guess I am a YSP
I am playing some games after like 4 years
Wait, what does YSP mean?
Or when you realise your entire region is full of them...
Sea server 5k mmr below line up be like.
1.hard carry
2.mid carry
3.offlane carry
4.jungle carry
5.semi supp carry
semi supp carry is usually because hard carry usually dont carry but burden
Lol so true .. haha I used to think what’s the diff between offlane and safelsne ? Offlane is just tanky hero and safe lane is farming hero
In a game, I had ysp clock player... I was Zeus and he was good but solo diver... so i made spirit vessel and force staff to help... saved him near 10 times at last when we start to lose.. I requested to join a gang... he listen to my words and came.. where he was toxic to other teams players... when ysp player started to trust his teammate they will automatically join the team fight..... some ysp don't trust team so make them trust in a team so they cant be ysp next time
Perfect
Id like to think that some YSPs are just good players that are too confident and cant trust his teammates due to past traumatic experience ( carry maiden ).
Hmm this helps too...ok theres some truth to this
So basically how to play in SEA, got it.
You don't play in SEA, SEA plays you.
99% of the player-base are YSPs and 1% are actual good supports. It's depressing.
With the play2win players, SEA is a hell, but with the play4fun players, fuck these YSPs' minds, both allies and enemies, are the happiest moments of their games, and SEA is a paradise :)
Reason why dota doesnt have any attraction anymore
"You either Win to a Bragging YSP or Lose to a Whinning YSP"
*Finally* A guide for Sea Server
10:56 True Story xD
2 Days ago, I just got my enemy 1st pick Zeus, and last 2 pick Sniper. I got the last pick and planning go on meepo since already ban the WW and no other real good crowd control at enemy team. But instead picking QOP, since she is the hero that can close the gap with either sniper or zeus. And i just surprise when sniper goes to safelane, their post 1 hero go to offlane, and zeus go at mid. I destroy the zeus with 3 kills in the early game, and then he abbandon xD
So i just realise that the YSP at the enemy team isn't sniper, but zeus. Cause probably he's ping mid and 1st picking, and say "Screw everything, give me mid or i will trhow" and losing. That's a lot of mental damage i guess xD
Good Content tho, Keep going Dota Alchemy ♥
Yolo solo player...literally 90% of pinoy kids in cybercafe
K wouldn't even complain if they were any close to a decent player
Im Filipino and I 100% agree. Its so frustrating playing with other Filipino players. So bad yet so talkative
And Indogs too
@@bbtv601 Tell them to play other game.. Useless cybercafe kids.. needs to be exxcuted
The point of the video is your capability to adjust and find ways to win on what you have.
oh for the cherry on top. at the end of the game, most of YSPs would often type "ggez commend me, win because of me". it points out how egoistical they are
You probably did win because of them dont be salty
"... coz they are a delicate snowflake that will melt under pressure..." so true
It's like saying your sister has an abusive husband who beats her up. But just to save the marriage, you advise your sister adjust to his behaviour by going to the gym and conditioning her body just so that she can take the beating from the husband and not feel the pain. Lol seriously?
@@Black182heart Thats a bad comparison and you know it
Ever been to SEA? Don't... Just don't.
@@Black182heart LOL, that is false analogy, more like in basketball. let Kobe shoot the ball and rest of the team provide support and defense. You can't do any because he got "Mamba Mentality" such like YSP. XD
What if there re 4 YSPs in my team? Aka 4 hard greedy carrys xD
u become the 5th one
Arviel Ferrer ROFLmao
Pick lich. Dominate 2 lanes and buy all the wards.
Literally my case in sea. Its a 1 selfless support vs 4 teammates of carries that ignores the wards, and go into the fog and feed "support no wards bobo!"
To make it better: there are 2 mid because yes.
I actually did what you just said in an earlier game today but still lost because the rest of the team was tilted and just fighting with the YSP
Lol i m not surprised
*YSP first pick invoker*
*enemy picked am*
YSP: *surprise pickachu*
gg shit team can't carry you noobs
Bruh fck anti mage...he cant do shit to a real invoker player...
@@beastyrs2890 I disagree. but it is certainly one of those matchups where skill is the determining factor.
Make force staff throw YSP in middle of enemy. Bait ha ha
Should just do that
I can't a agree with that video.
For me it makes no sense to support a ysp. A ysp has bad macro game. So even if you win fights you properly won't get anything out of it. No tower, rosh...
Group up with the rest of your team and use the ysp as a bait.
Win the game with good decision and not with kills on the wrong player.
lose then
Hahahaha too rude bro😂
@@ys2850 Found the angry YSP lol.
I did what you said, and I played support to do this - lost 8 rank games in a row. 0/10
coz YSP are not good enough. my suggestion is always analyse the counter support to enemy carry. that at least you can kill the enemy carry till 20 minute mark in the game.so the farm rate of enemy carry is less than your YSP and then only you can win. only way left
I used to be a YSP until I started playing Dota again this year. Two years not playing Dota changed my style so much. I still try to ‘drive’ my team forward by making plays or suggesting what to do but I’m way more diplomatic about it and I know we gotta work together to win. Sometimes you can ‘carry’ as a support just by helping your carries play better by telling them who to target etc. So much more fun now.
No matter how hard it is, but playing around YSP works. After being in the same rank for 2 years, I did add up going extra 2k mmr by playing around YSP.
It's not about being prostitute to someone, it's about admitting the fact that you have an idiot in your team that you have to work with in order to win the game. Once the game is over, you forget about him with +25 points in the bag (or not).
Question: How to detect YSP in the opposite team? You don't see his communication with the teammates?
OOOH! I caught this on the twitch stream! I'm so glad you reposted this to youtube!
The thing I hate and why I don’t play Dota anymore is because the game rewards YSPs and encourages them to believe in a lot of nonsense and bad habits. Meanwhile it punishes team players by making them at the mercy of the YSPs skill rather than their own.
It’s true you’ll win more games by appeasing them but that is really not a lot of fun. Win or lose. I’d rather lose a game because of misplay on my part or a close contest then win a game where I do nothing but play butler for an entitled idiot. Unfortunately that’s not a choice I get to make. So I choose not to play Dota with people at all.
Placing wards only does any good if the YSP pays attention to what they reveal rather than their “optimum” farming pattern. So it’s really a crapshoot if you get one in your team.
In life u deal with shitty people too. It's better to work around them and use them like DotA ysps then just abandon them
He already said swallow your pride
Ya dude, it's like they wanna be the hero but expect supports to do everything for them. Stack camps, wards and even bait at times just so that they can swoop right in and steal ur thunder. And beg for comments later on. If somehow they're ganked while farming it is supposedly ur fault for not illuminating that area or not placing sentries or not calling missing or anything. If only ur own team would commend you for playing support people would actually play that role. But win or lose, either YSP will get a commend or you will be reported. Support life is just sad!
It’s not pride. I don’t have much of that honestly. It’s just not enjoyable for me. I know the advice here works because I’ve done it. It doesn’t always work but it’s the best you can do. I simply dont enjoy being a butler for an entitled idiot, even if I win the game. I’d rather lose and learn something or have it be a close game.
we can all aggree at times we are the so called YSP's in DotA and in real life so before we deal with other YSPeeps we should deal with our selves to learn and adapt this to others
this is absolute classic in ancient, then at the end of the game you get the smug "ez commend me" form your YSP
So often games are lost by the guy farming for 50 minutes on Luna despite being ahead the entire time, they never fight.
So YSPs are NON FLEXIBLE PLAYERS (NFP). Therefore, you should adjust to them since you know they won't adjust to you. That's sad, but you gotta do what you gotta do to win in pubs I guess.
This won't help you win. A YSP hates team fights unless they will both A. Get a Kill and B. Survive. So even if you can WIPE the other team by the YSP sacrificing themself so the casters cool downs can refresh he fucking won't. He will run like the bitch he is once he hits half health. Then you're stuck looking like a dumbass because you tailored you entire game around someone who won't even be there when you need them.
sad part is, i related to this video as a YSP on spiritual level LMAO!!!!!! but i just played 2 games with AM, one i lost and the other 1 we made a comeback. First game, i realized i was playing hard SOLO and pushingall the lanes.. of course i blamed my team for dying again and again in cluster,,, the second game was going the same until i started joining team fights and flanking the enemy supports !!! You realize your team mates area as good as you and if you have the correct itemization along with tactics you can win fights and games!!! thank you for making me realize this and from this day forth i will -play selflessly and as a team
So..my problem is... I started Dota over a year ago...Calibrated to Guadian 2 back then... After that I wanted to learn the game a bit and stopped playing ranked for over a year, just turbo. Now I am more skilled literally stomping games 20 0 with invoker... And now I start playing ranked..Win 10 games in a row during calibration...boom herald 5... okay.... And now im stuck with all the griefers, afkers, people who dont know how to read abilities etc... My friends tell me that its harder to get out of herald and guardian than it is to get in divine..
This. Is the most common experience in Dota. Thanks for putting this up on behalf of all the position 1’s buying heavens halberd so that their position 1 shadow shaman with no blink doesn’t die to the 90% pick Sniper
I am a YSP. I admit I only play carry or mid. But i changed. I now more understand how the game works. In order to become a good carry I should know how to be a good support.
if u want to WIN really bad and MMR matter so much for u, this will work very great but remember babysit ysp only promote more of their behavior!
if u want to enjoy FUN TRUE DOTA GAMEPLAY with teamwork you have 3 option!
1. buy dota plus for RANKED ROLE
2. play with FULL PARTY
3. AVOID RANK game at all and enjoy normal game
sea sucks btw
The problem with your solution it actually promotes players to be YSP, since you satisfy their notion of being the best play maker and everyone on the team should go along.
YSP here, I can confirm all of this is true, especially the not buying dust coz someone else will buy it unless enemy hero pisses me off by escaping with invis then ?ing me then I'll always have dust. Not buying BKB and other defensive items so I can solo kill other enemy heroes, never fighting unless I'm at my power spike and always dying on the opposite end of the map from where my team is are pretty much my default behavior.
This is how you want to approach pubs in general. YSP is just a concept to make the video fun and make the "non-YSP" players feel more motivated. Real smart @Dota Alchemy
The time when the picks look like this: TB, AM, Alchemist, PL and Spectre. Having picked Alchemist first and then realizing I'm the only one on the team that can somewhat support. Game is fun sometimes. How we won that game is beyond me, Gaben smiles upon us all sometimes.
many just abandon after one or two deaths, they don`t even consider that their teammate probably has 97% of their games played as a different role than the one forced to
I don't know... just recently started playing again and the only way I could end my 10 or so lose streak was becoming exactly what you call a YSP here. The difference being that I literally solo kill 3-5 people in the end and push and end it alone while most or even all of my team are somewhere scattered around the map randomly. sometimes doing nothing but running around. It feels as if I'm mostly playing with bots. The games that I tried to play support were more fun tbh, because I played solely team-oriented, but I lost every single one of these games. Because my Hero had zero impact mid and late game and I couldn't push shit. While my carries did nothing. It's not nearly as easy as described in this video.
these are good ideas, but I like more my approach.
Lets say we use your plan in one of the teams, where I go and support the ysp in my team. That makes my team coordination to work as a group of 2 (the ysl and me) and a group of 3 (the other players).
In the other team is my plan. Leave the sucker to talk trash and blame (eventually muting him) and then support your other 3 players, which are not going to play selfish/stupid/ragequit whenever they throw, because of their own dumbness, ending up blaming you, the only one that tried to help them have that "good game".
it is patent the second team will win, the ysl will be of no value at some point, and it can either drag its team to the ruin in the firsst place where they keep betting on it, or you can still be that 4 members team. 4vs3, or 4vs2, even 4vs0.
ysl do not deserve attention, let them rage, let them sink in the hidden pool and hate not only their dota experience, but experience in life. Leave them losing mmr, getting lp, scale yourself, find buddies with which you enjoy party queue, and live a healty life.
Im playing pos 5 everygame in 3-4k bracket in Perú and Im winning (almost) everygame, just by ensuring my 3 or 4 carrys farm safely, warding for them, ganking, making space and giving directions when I can. So yeah you can actually win games as a support.
I generally agree with the ideas given by this guide. However, I've found it limiting in some games and the full scope of YSP problems weren't called out. I play support probably 65~80% of my games and YSPs and in those games, I don't even really notice or care much about the behavior, as that occurrence feels more natural. The issue is when I play position 1, I often go for the greedier position one heroes and the YSP is far better and more aggressive at taking available farm from neutrals and safer lanes. This video says to be less greedy, but when you're already playing a hero that has a low farm capacity (say Spectre), or is extremely weak out in the open vs a ganking enemy core (Luna) there literally is about zero farm on the map for you. You can't back the YSP up, the YSP demands things from you that won't succeed, because you don't just have a YSP - you have a YSP + idiot (most YSPs are idiots in the first place). YSPs don't usually realize situational things somewhat hinted by this video - recognizing their own power spike and not teammates also means they also don't recognize the enemy's power spikes or that the enemy is simply stronger than them so picking a team fight in a balanced scenario is stupid. For example, a YSP Axe wanting to aggressively push into enemy territory versus an enemy Slark/SF with ShadowBlade. That Slark/SF wrecks the rest of your team except Axe, and Axe is acting like it makes sense to walk by likely wards, not have enough sentries to cover the rear/flanks etc. That sort of behavior/occurrence is basically GG. I've found the best way to deal with this is get the other 3 teammates onboard with your game plan, and be defensive as hell. 4vs5 can win a high ground fight if the enemy oversteps or burns too many cooldowns killing the YSP. Maybe the YSP can feed off of the momentum generated by the remaining 4, but they certainly didn't earn that shit.
If you really just want to win and nothing else matters, then do your best to work constructively with an enemy on your team. There was a line in House of Cards (probably not the origin of this idea) that went something like "you can only make allies out of enemies, not your friends." But if you believe that part of the Dota experience is impacting the community, possibly making a player aware of their bad-behavior, then I would say giving a YSP hell has some value - or maybe you just get personal satisfaction. I personally stay constructive in my criticism in chat if it's bad enough - this means you don't say "omg, that was stupid" instead say "hey, it's always a bad idea to chase an enemy to the low ground and start a team fight there when we know they are stronger." By that point, I'm cool-headed too because I know that level of mistake is something I can't fix alone. Either A) I follow my team to a team wipe, or B) be the only defending hero left and I'm probably not a farmed sniper that can cover 2 lanes +3 heroes defensively.
One kind of YSP I won't work with is the kind that refuses to mention the game plan. I can usually look at a composition and tell what the strength should be. Pushing early game, team fighting, ganking, late game super carry, rat/split push etc. I automatically play around that and YSP's usually reveal their ignorance by doing something completely counter to your actual team's strength. So I will usually state what I presumed the game plan was and ask "What are we doing then? Are we all trying to farm and avoid team fights? Are we going to push objectives? Are we trying to let them push and counter them?" Players who don't/can't respond this and instead just say how much you or someone else on your team is messing up is instant YSP, and probably one you should cut out of your psyche. Do the stuff in this video, but I would highly discourage being nice to them in any way, because they likely have cost you the game even if you employ these tactics unless the enemy is substantially worse off than you are anyways.
Aside from all that, I'll get nasty if the other person decides to be nasty. I don't care to win enough to let some fucktard say dumb shit about KDA in minute 25 as a super late game carry or if I'm playing #6 support. There's a < 5% chance being nice will change their behavior, but the other 95% is them continuing their shit behavior losing the game for your team and flaming others anyways, so you might as well get your shots in and go next. 85% of the time I requeue, if the person is on the other team, I end up beating them because I adjust to whatever is actually going on realizing Dota isn't a contest about who kills who in a 1vs1 matchup, or even in a team fight.
In SEA, there are YSPs that shout "Wards?" when the map is filled with wards just because they died at spots out of ward range after diving blindly.
How to split push and cause a distraction without dying? As a support to let the YSP do whatever they want to win.
What if there are 4 ysps in the team(some typical SEA stuff)?
I would call myself a YSP for the most part. If I play abaddon offlane, and I see that our carry isshit (like no farm whatsoever at 10 min), I usually build more agressive and defend by pushing trhe lane super hard the 2nd people leave it. You need to do 1 of two things when you are left alone on your lane.
1. Follow them, so they cant gank effortlessly-
2. punish them for leaving the lane and push it hard.
Nothing annoys me more than when the entire enemy team is on the top lane, meanwhile our carry on bot lane keeps on farming like there is other people on his lane.
First of all I kinda don't understand how the content of the video relates to the title. To me it seems that the video should be named something like this "How to cater for and still win games with egomaniac players on your team".
Secondly, all that this video tells me is "prostitute yourself for more wins, prostrate before the egotistical players with poor personalities".
Don't get me wrong, I want to win more and for that to happen I want to work on myself to achieve that, like becoming a better leading personality, encouraging my team, etc.
But if for the sake of winning I have to reward a person for behaving like an egocentric scumbag and support his campaign in degrading dota to a game with the main focus no longer on teamcoordination and communication but to a competition of who has to bow to whom aka "who is the bigger douche", then I'm more than ready to play a proper game with the rest of my team and take a likely loss instead.
I also want to iterate: I really, really think that the title of the video is misleading / not covering the content. I can imagine that a video with this title could cover a wide range of topics, but i still wouldnt have ever expected this content with that title.
Yeah come to think of it, it is misleading. It is a good video in it's own way because what's presented is true and yes being a butler and rewarding egotistical players DOES get you more wins. There's no two ways about it. Because Dota is not a game where all roles are remotely close to equal in impact, it's always going to reward egotistical players and punish team players in terms of fun. Just the way it is. Sadly the only choice you have is whether you continue to play or not.
You can't educate the ego maniacs in the short time you have. Hell even if you had a LOT of time with them, most trained professionals would probably fall short with some of these idiots. It's making the best of a bad scenario if you want to put winning first. If you don't, there's always other options. My option is to not play with people. Though I still keep track of the game and play with bots every so often.
Fair enough, titling a video is difficult. If I am too specific, no one will watch it, too broad and people complain it's misleading. Your perspective on the message of the video is very negatively biased as most people tend to be in these situations. It's not about being some ego maniac's slave, it's about accepting that you have an ego maniac on your team and dealing with the situation instead of antagonizing them and ruining the game for everyone. Very different.
@@dotatipsntricks most people playing dota want to be the star, BUT majority of them dont know how to be a star with support. ive been encountering toxic players countless time in my archon/legend bracket. if its become too annoying i would mute them, continue to support, win games, and after the games they usually commend me for my support. viewing proper supporting as being slave to egoistic player are the core of the problem tbh.
at the end of the day they are just a dota player, not pure evil who want to ruin a game.
Ehh call it what you will the outcome is the same. Don’t get me wrong this advice IS good and I know first hand that it does work but the price I was paying in other ways made me feel as though it isn’t worth it. Especially if you still lose. I think it just really gets to me that the game has a positive feedback loop for YSPs so they never learn.
Everyone is different and they have different goals when playing a game like Dota.
realistically speaking, when you saw one or more YSP on your team your choice is only 2, either you give up or you carry the game yourself. because, everything u do is wrong in their eyes, thats their ego. i'd rather make the YSP guys rage quit than whiping their ass. fyi its kinda useless even u providing him/her with ultimate over 9000 good support, every single game on my 4k rank there is always YSP guys, and my main hero is support, fuck me rite?
3k is where team playing actually start to take place. Basically just checkout Dota's MMR distribution, which is negatively skewed (more players with higher MMR than Legend 1 than lower). So work on your skills, dont troll, dont swear, avoid being reported and spread PMA.
YSPs I know usually communicate ok, you just cant argue with them XD, but nice video, good advice
The best thing , i noticed these days about YSP game are just pick wraith king or some jungle hero. then farm for 25 to 30 minute in jungle and never show up for team's help. Then if you fail 3 vs 5. They start blaming you feed , if you won 3 vs 5 by luck then they come take all kills and then want comments. 90% of the time you cannot win 3 vs 5 . And end up losing after get ganged up or watching YSP farming jungle only to end up in a slower farm rate against the enemy carry.
I'm YSP but support type. I pick pos 4/5 in all my ranked match. I buy all defensive items. I buy all wards and dust.
U cant buy all the ward and dust. dont u even know what ysp is
one game some YSP spent whole game complaining in chat, that I did not get arcane boots on CM, even reported me for it and demanded rest of team do the same... It was before nerf to aura and I even picked manacost/manaloss aura talent, it was still not enough for him (it was nyx and he didn't have dagon). So, in some games you just can't do enough to feed someones ego
Why not just mute them immediately and play the game without their terrible attitude?
This video should be called, "What a Yolo solo person is and how to take advantage of it"
This is what BSJ in a pub. Well said Dota Alchemy
I ve always been a ysp
And now i regret it but it's true some team won't communicate well no missing no ward hell like 5 ysps and i always say missing but i rage everyday
My games have 4 ysp, or a single ysp - which we support then he dc's late game
I am basically Ysp not like mid or carry i do love playing offlane and support (have higher winrate on aa, ww, sb G.magus etc) but what i want is my ally shallow grave me in fight or heal me or purge not run giving buff themselves in full hp and running away even in the gank we could win 3.7k and still climbing
just love it! I need more about these kind of players.What should I do when 2 or more in my team... thanks!
Problem 1. its no one focus kills,everyone just attack what its closer
The reason these comments are solo polarized is because half of you want to "fix the YSP", and the other half just want to win the game. Here is how to incorporate both viewpoints:
The guys who want to fix the YSP are thinking of spending future games playing with that person, but if you are not playing team matchmaking, are you really any more likely to play with that YSP in future than you are to play against him? In reality you are unlikely to play with him ever again, but 25% more likely to play against him than with him. Now why would you want to help him improve as a player based on that?
What you really want is to only help him improve in future games *if he is your regular teammate*. In that case, sacrifice this game to help him become a better team player in future. If he is a random guy, let him stay an idiot, and prioritize your current game as in the video above. Simple as that.
This channel deserved more subs
I really love watching Dota Alchemy videos its really satisfying knowledgeable and pretty much help on our gameplay. Just giving my thought.. And keep up the good work..
All YSP-players should consider playing a SOLO game.. The beauty with games like DOTA and CS is the teamplay.
Good video. But I think it's better if you have sample team fight scenario and explain what a player did wrong or right.
A ysp is basicly anyone in or under the 2k mmr bracket.
What to do when my enemy pick lina mid 35-0 score..when my team pick lina mid 0-18 score
Can you make video what to do when 2-4 YSP are in team and all of them type with pictures (azbuka) "I am mid/carry"? because picking solo support and buying all wards (that they can ignore) is not enough. Trust me I have 70% of my games like this
I manage to let my 4 ysp win the early and mid game and we start winning and guess what pos2 tries to gank near their base when teammates arent there and die, pos3 jumps in to finish pos2's leftover and die, pos1 goes in without realizing enemies can fight and win 4v1 even we are fat and die, pos4 somehow die because cores will blame and throw when they are dead but supports are survived, pos5(me) pinging X mark from 10sec before pos3 start feeding until the game end. This is my 4k sea experience
u are better than that jenkin guy, so accurate explanation and clear
80% of my games have at least one YSP, I’m so used to it that I can’t remember when was the last time I played mid in a ranked game, (Archon VII at the moment).
The problem is that I’m so used to playing supports and utility heroes in the sidelanes (I’ve gotten pretty good at them)that on the wild chance of a game were I have no choice but to go mid I always lose that game.
Any advice?
I never get chance to play mid. . N problly would pick carry once in every 10 games coz all r rushing to pick carries
But the real question and problem here is actually the games where the ysp guy gets to play the mid... picks that lane stomper and feeds enemy or just plays terribly even if you secure him opportunities and space... they are 0-6 blame and flame and then just delete items and abandon... but yeh positive thinking and all that 😂
I once played with 4 supports and 1 carry troll(me) i keep on pushing and my team is feeding. They keep on forcing teamfights without me since i always push then farm.but in the early game to mid game, i dominate lol.
What if you don't have a tap and your team just sux at coordination
Very nice vid. more of this please!
also, i think just a general like psychological help is in order. how not to tilt. i think dota players have a lot to learn from poker pros.
So, basically, SEA consists of real friendly and compassionate players complaining about everyone else? I see.
YSPs are the reason why I'm not playing support in solo queue anymore... Hard-supporting fellow Guardian scrub who doesn't know how to last hit and/or deny properly is just too much to bear.
In a way, I found a more peaceful dota life by playing the offlane role. That way I can still "support" them by getting some defensive items for the team, even though they won't understand it (A Filipino kid called me 'bobo weaver' for building Aghanim's Scepter).
great concept of videos! Does anyone have a playlist for this? Can't seem to find it
Actually i want my carry to be a ysp than a non faming carry, 60 cs in 20min.
How to coordinate with that carry when they never listen?
Selfless and Dota pubs never seen two things more antithetical to each other
6:45 I can head EDJE screaming from over here
Amazing video really, this is such a good way to act during your games
Or just flame the YSP and report him after the loss.
My dudes he is asking you to use the tools available to you not to pander to anyone, sometimes people see and do things that you aren't able to understand but could be helpful. Only a bad mechanic blames his tools for failure blaming someone for being selfish when you yourself want a nice game but havent bothered to help him makes you worse. Point is to try and establish trust after all not everyone is comfortable playing with strangers.
this video is actually fucking amazing, please keep it up
i think its just how MMR matchmaking works. if you really want to climb the ladder of mmr, you have to win both easy and hard games. you can become a selfless player like this video suggest, or you can be even more chaotic player and still winning the game. the rule of pub games are chaotic to begin with, so therr isnt a definite answer to the problem.
This does not work with multiple YSP in your team. Can only hope enemy's YSP is worse than yours, nothing else I did ever work.
Imagine having 10 supporting 4 farming 8.6 fighting and 7.5 pushing.
And you still lose
So I am definitely not a YSP cause I often get to play support. But what frustrates me is that supports can carry the game and my carries tend to be completely RETARDED ( ex. Phantom assassin buying falcon blade ). How do you handle those cases where your carry is just an imbecile, cant last hit, is not aware of his hero nor items he needs to build, often not with the team, solo dying, while you are a support and have to rely on that imbecile?
What about if i am playing bot but people on top and mid cant communicate and feed then im just ducked
My worst enemies are my teammates and myself
it only works with one ysp .. how about 3-4 ysp on a team ?
In SEA, teamwork is just fantasy and where almost all of the YSPs come from...
what should one do when entire region is filled with the YSP's (SEA dota) .
Im a kind of player who dont give a shit bout my kda and will do anything just for that DUB...its just not fun having high kda and networth or a Good individual game but you lose. Piece of advice to my fellow dota players keep your egos in check we all know we want to be the "hero" in game who wins and kills or the star but it ain't about that at the end of the day. Plus real players would recognize your sacrifice i havea friend who is a YSP player who spams invoker.. And he told me he wouldnt be ahead and win most of his game and lane match up if i weren't roaming and supporting. Keep your heads up my peeps
I feel that the most important thing to deal with when playing in low mmr pub games are the EXTREAMLY slow pace of the game, i honestly dont know how to deal with it. Earlygame can be really fun! but somewere around midgame everything slows down, everyone start afk farming jungle, doesnt matter if youre ahead enough to push and win the game, they will play on for 50 min. i go crazy! i have to play macro and make plays and contest mapcontrol
how to deal with that shit???
I have a joke with some of my low mmr friends, that if you don't buy Midas, u deserve to lose, for this reason. Complaining your team won't push, won't make it happen. Instead try itemizing around the fact you already know this game will go minimum 50 mins.best of luck.
@@laneallen3691 that's good advice. I have been playing around alot lately, not taking it seriously, but instead trying out new heroes and playstyles that I enjoy, and where I can play the game more to my liking, but within the boring type of matches that you see in pubs.
I have to say that I really don't like midas as an item, but that's a totally different conversation.
I'll take your advice and I'll try it out, have a good day
What do we do when theres only walking on glass bc ysp can ruin ur game
We dont have a choice ? We cant play our own game our own role and walk around this so called ysp?
Sea surivial guide, declassified
What if ysp pick's hero like lion and try to carry
I find myself acting very much like how you describe when I get frustrated as a whole with DotA. Even when I have a good game myself I do stupid shit that looses us the game often. Normally I can be having a bad game and build utility for the team and still win. I need to remember to calm down and not go by myself or farm when I shouldn't but it is hard to remember in the heat of the moment. Do you have any tips on how to properly handle these situations besides quitting DotA for a month
Im YSP but i buy bkb dust etc but i dont stick with my team even though i only play safelane because mostly my teammates are in jungle or some of them will stick. But yeah it hard to 1 v 5 but sometime 3 v 5 if lucky 5 v 5
But igot 56% winrate over 2k match and mostly most of them are 1 v 5
well i was a supp player always picking cm or ogre, but my carries simply couldnt do their damn job properly, neither the midlaner! So i started taking the core roles like mid and carry, and so my journey of YSP began!! I don't regret it though coz i think i can carry most of the time. On rare occassions, when team needs supp, i do pick them only to swear to never supp again seeing the same thing repeat itself haha
also fromy dota stats (dashboard stats) , i am a push player or ptfo kinda player!
often times, i have lost so many games coz my winning allies are more concerend with ganks n kills rather than push and voila we eat COMEBACK haha
i play in 3k bracket, sad life :(
2-3k bracket is hell for this.
Playing in the ancient bracket this happens a lot less.. But it happens
Sometimes you support and win, sometimes you support and lose. You can always do better though.
This is one of the best dota videos ever!
Tank that think he cant die and dive all the time and feed safe lane enemy hero..
YSP in my team is rarely carry..Funny enough my YSP are Witch doctors Crystal Maidens with hand of Midas and shadowblades 0 vision etc..its supports wanna be carries and we lose game..then they flame safelane carry that got ganked left alone while they jungle 30 mins..sad