I see that LR Baggs has added in that ability to have both a Master EQ and an EQ on just the voiceprint. Awesome! They probably saw your video and request for it. 👍
Thank you for such a helpful and insightful video! If LR Baggs comes out with a version that has a built-in XLR mic input and is not so iPhone centric, then I might consider shelling out the $$$. Although you clearly show it can be done without a built-in XLR input, it seems strange that they left this out as they had to know many people would be wanting to do this.
Thanks! Very helpful, thorough step-by-step explanation. VoicePrint pedal is a game changer, true. . . and when they add compression and other cool sound toys to the app, it will be that much more amazing. I have bought, tried, sold lots of gear over many decades. The LR Baggs VoicePrint DI is "addictive" in that after playing with it a few hours, you don't want to turn it off or go without it. I will even say, the DI is quite good on the VOidePrint and I'm comparing my acoustic tone with plugging into a Rupert Neve DI (RNDI) probably the best DI available. Connected Earthworks SR314 studio mic to Scarlett 212 output USB into Apple camera connector to Iphone. Confirmation on Scarlett that mic was working, but never got Iphone to recognize it after an hour of trial and error (all error, actually). Disappointing. Defaulted to MicW I436 mini mic for Iphone. . . directly into Iphone - worked.
Awesome! I've been thinking about getting the Voiceprint because I also have a Shure MV88 for my Iphone and testing out the results between the two. Cool to know I can also use my other mics with it just need to get that Light to USB3 adapter. Thanks for this video!
You are welcome! This simple method takes an already great pedal and makes it more versatile! Let me know what kind of results you get with different mics.
Thank you for the awesome video RH. I'll be trying this first thing tomorrow. I love my VPDI as it is but this is pushing it into a completely new league.
@@redhatreview Worked beautifully. Tried two different mics with great results. I still think the iphone mic works great but the option to use mics now is another layer of awesomeness.
Holy Sheet, the ext mic sounds way better! Man, the other reviews of vpdi didnt even mention it, otherwise I would have gotten it instead of the Nux. Ugh. I really didn't have faith that an iphone mic would compare with a nice ext mic, and it seems like it is true. The iphone mic one doesn't really sound useable. I had a feeling that it was the eq that made it sound good. Thanks man, people need to watch your videos.
Thanks again. I am hopeful that LR Baggs will continue to come out with new features. This is a really good pedal that will likely become a great pedal with a few updates. You are right. The ability to eq the external mic ahead of time was critical. That and the ability to monitor the sound in real time and adjust the position.
@@roamsy Yes. Very sparingly though. Mainly to address the build up of low end I had been getting. I may try more eq in the future, but I am happy with how it is sounding now.
I got mine today and recorded the voiceprint via an external DPA 4099 microphone. (Eastman guitar with LR Baggs anthem pickup). In my opinion you get an even far better result when you use fingerpicks for the voiceprint record! Now the acoustic sound is preserved, it just sounds louder! Huge difference!
Thank you. I have just tried mine out today with a condenser mic through the IK Multimedia IRIG and a Focusrite Audio Interface. I have a Furch OM Vintage 2 and a Taylor 552e 12 fret both using the LR Bass Anthem on them. Sounds very good. Although, I was thinking of this (hoping you could give your insight). I was thinking of further creating an extra voiceprint for OLD and NEW strings. What do you and anyone else think of this? I'm gonna try this out in a couple of days' time.
Great Job! Really appreciate the attention to detail. I am working through this process as well. I see you have video review for both the ToneDexter and Voiceprint DI. I have not been able to find a review that compares them to one another. It would be great to see a video around these two tools. I have a Martin HD28 with an Anthem pickup and I currently use the Session DI and Align Series Reverb pedal. I have been happy with the sound quality. I came across the idea of applying an IR of my guitar to the signal to create a more natural sound. I played around with this concept in my DAW and I was pleasantly surprised by how well it sounded. But it’s not practical to travel with my DAW when playing live. I did some digging and came across what I consider two reasonably priced options. The Voiceprint DI and the ToneDexter. I’ve spent time watching TH-cam videos on both of these products but have not found any that show a side by side comparison. It looks like the ToneDexter is setup to capture an IR using an external microphone(s) and allowing you to save them as presets. And the voiceprint DI is setup to only use the microphone of an iPhone. There are certainly advanced control features in the Voiceprint ie EQ etc…when compared to the ToneDexter that I find appealing. But I am having trouble accepting that using the internal microphone of an iphone will provide better results than an appropriate Sennheiser, Shure, Neumann microphone. Can anyone provide insight into your experience using the ToneDexter and the Voiceprint DI, which one you prefer and why?
I am planning on doing a comparison video at some point to help others figure out what will be best for them. Although it takes some extra equipment, you definitely can use any mic you have to make a voiceprint. Surprisingly, this does not have a huge increase in fidelity, but it does give you a different 'flavor' that you may prefer. Prior to the update that allows for a separate EQ on the voiceprint itself, I found using an external mic best to shape the eq during the creation process. It resulted in a voiceprint that I didn't have to EQ so much in the app and allowed for more seamless blending. This is still helpful, but less so with the recent software and firmware updates. I prefer the Voiceprint, but that doesn't mean I would recommend it to everyone over the Tonedexter. I think they both have their place. I'll go into detail in a video, but in short: Tonedexter is more mic-like than Voiceprint. It has a depth and hollow sound that is convincing, but not what I like live. The voiceprint maintains more of the feel and attack of your pickup and is a bit more direct sounding, but alters the tone and eq of your pickup to sound very much like your guitar. I hope this is helpful.
Hey Redhat! How are you? So I got it yesterday did numeros positions and takes is a very useful tool if you have a standard piezo pickup but in all honesty, the LR Baggs Anthem pick up with Mic Gain to 100% and Blend to 100% mic gives you the same organic sound but more projected and less EQ tweaking. I guess is cool for users with many different guitars with standard piezo pickups and can just store and switch from guitar to guitar. Still an amazing tool with great features.
Ive got a martin hd28 with a k and k trinity pro system. Sounds amazing through my LR baggs venue DI but I wonder if the voiceprint EQ would give me much more natural air that I desire. Do you think the voiceprint would be a good replacement for the venue Di? You certainly wouldn’t need both right?
You have a great guitar and a great pickup system. The advantage of the voiceprint over the venue is the IR capabilities as well as the fully parametric eq. The advantage of the venue is the physical knobs that allow easier real time adjustments. Which one do you think makes most sense for you and the environments you play in?
Good morning. Can I use VPDI to record the acoustic guitar in the DAW. Or is it better to do the recording with classical 2 CARDIOID CONDENSER MICROPHONES?
Thanks a lot for this video. I am planning to get one of these, and I will use and I-Rig HD2 from my mixer with multiple microphones not just one, to capture the guitar as it would be on a studio recording, bridge ,low - high. over nut and 12 fret. What you did here is amazing I was just wondering if this was possible. Thanks a lot.
Thanks for the great demo. I have a few questions : 1. What pickup are you using on your guitar ? (eg. undersaddle piezo, Anthm type mic pickup, K&K Pure Mini type bug pickup, soundhole magnetic pickup ?) 2. Have you tried different pickups and come to any conclusions to which type of pickup the Voiceprint is more successful at giving a more convincing acoustic tone ? If so, which pickup ?? 3. How many presets can the Voiceprint store ? 4. Have you tried it for resonator guitars ? I mainly play National type resonator guitars (with Highlander piezo pickups) but also have a few regular acoustics - so having lots of presets (at least one for each guitar) would be fantastic. I just bought a Gibson 1934 Jumbo reissue and having to consider what pickup to go for (I'd rather not install a under-saddle piezo) - and this Voiceprint looks like it could be great for all my guitars (hopefully !). Many thanks !
This guitar has a Trance Audio Amulet M pickup. It’s a soundboard transducer pickup with internal preamp. I have used the VPDI with SBT’s, the Anthem, and UST pickups. It works well on all of them. In particular, the VPDI works better with a wider variety of pickups in comparison to other options. I think you can store up to 99 presets. I have not tied it on a resonator.
@@redhatreview Hi again. Thanks for your reply. OK, one or two things I'm still not clear about. Is the audio output original analogue audio of the guitar, with specific EQ (programmed by the Voiceprint) to modify that analogue audio, or is the whole audio signal converted to digital, processed, then output as digital (or even converted back to analogue) ? If going into the digital domain, I'd expect some latency - what is the latency in milliseconds (roughly) ? ie. I'm trying to work out if there is a slightly latency / delay in the audio coming out from the speakers. A rough millisecond estimate would help me decide if it would be enough to bother me. I'm a keyboard playertoo, and using MIDI from a sound source to the controller etc causes a perceptable latency, on some devices. Thanks again.
@@snakehips81 The signal chain within the pedal is: Input -> AD Conversion -> Processor -> DA Conversion -> FX Loop -> Analog Volume-> Outputs. It has no noticeable latency in my experience. My guess is there is latency, but it's so low that it is imperceivable.
@@redhatreview thanks homie! I’m pretty confused about which acoustic pickup to put in. I’m looking for something that won’t effect my natural acoustic sound. Been looking at the HFN and K&K. I’ll take a ganders at this one as well. Which flavor pickup is your preferred on a Dred?
@@randyranderson pretty much any sound board transducer pickup fits the desire to not change the acoustic tone of the guitar. I don’t have experience with HFN, but my understanding is it’s on the bright side of the spectrum where as K&K is on the warm/bass-y side of the spectrum. My experience with the trance is very good and i’d probably opt for it again over both other options you mention. If you are wanting a passive pickup, look into Dazzo and Ultratonic as well. Best of luck.
@@redhatreview Will do. I also think external mics add some other things, too, even if we assume that the iPhone mic is pretty flat. For one, character. I have a pair of Microtech-Geffell mics that add a little something over what any other mics I have can do on an acoustic guitar. Another thing is the ability to aim them, and have a pattern that can reject some of the artifacts that the iPhone omnidirectional mic couldn't. Then you start getting into good preamps, etc, and combine that with the EQ flexibility and feedback control the Voiceprint offers, and I think it's going to be nice. Ordered the camera kit today. Thanks again!
Hey there, my friend! Greetings from the AGF! Tell me something: between the VP and TD, what are your favorite, and why? I have a HD28 equipped with a K&K Pickup. Do you have any opinion on that? Thank you!
Rodrigo - I can tell you what I prefer, but it may be most helpful to ask some questions as well. Are you planning on using the VPDI or TD live or for recording, or both? Have you used IR with acoustic before and do you prefer a blend or full IR signal? Do you have other guitars / pickups that you will plug into them in addition to the K&K equipped HD28? With my guitars and pickups, and the way in which I like to use IR on acoustic, I prefer the VPDI. I will say that the TD is maybe more mic-like in that it has a depth and space to it that is hard to describe, but is there. This seems to be a polarizing thing as some people, including me, find that this creates a disconnect when plugged in. There is a hollowness to the sound AND feel. From the audience perspective, it's probably all positive. But for me as the player, I don't like the feel as much. The VPDI handles a wider variety of pickups that TD in my limited experience including mic based pickups like the Anthem and Lyric. I like the blending on the VPDI better. Most importantly to me is the feel and responsiveness of the pickup is not altered with the VPDI - even at 100%. This is the main reason I like it better. It may not be quite as mic-like as the TD, but I find I just like the sound and feel better. keep in mind, I am using it live and not for recording, and I prefer to use a blend of it and treat it like I would adding a mic to my pickup signal, which I already like. I'm not looking to totally replace the pickup sound. Just add some depth and woodiness to it by way of the IR. These things tend to shift as well as there are software updates, so keep in mind this is my thoughts on it as of now. Sorry for the long winded reply. I hope this helps.
Hi there, mate! I've just discovered your channel, and I'm really liking your reviews... They are great, congratulations! Hey, how do you think this pedal would work in a live full band situation? I ask because I've tried several times to make IR thing work in that kind of situation and for me it just didn't work at all. I tried 3rd party IRs, lowering the blend, but it's just like awful sounding through the PA. At home it's wonderful, but at the stage... it's horrible. I struggled so much with it that I didn't feel like trying tonedexter or any other new pedals. I've read several times in different forums that tonedexter must be blended very light to work ok live (around 20-30%), which more or less made me think like "ok, just the same story as my tries". What do you think?
I have had a similar experience. In a full band I have found that a very low blend of IR can work. I have used the Aura this way for a long time. Just to add a little body and depth. The trouble with Aura and other 3rd party IR’s is that they aren’t based on your actual guitar and pickup. I also personally think just a great pickup sounds fantastic in a live full band situation. I have very little full band live experience with the VPDI due to venues not being open, but I’m optimistic that this one will work better than others I’ve tried. I still will likely have it blended with my pickup, but I can see the blend going higher than that of the Aura or Tonedexter and providing a very good sound. As I get some more experience in loud full band settings with the VPDI, I’ll report back with my findings.
@@redhatreview , yeah... I understand that. Actually, I've made some IRs at home for my guitar, thanks to the free algorithm made by JonFields45 (theacousticguitarforum). While they sound much better than 3rd party ones at home, I'm still hesitant to try them live because I was reasonably satisfied with the pickup sound with the full band... And experience told me it wasn't worth trying any more. I'll be really following your news! Even though I was more or less done with IRs, there's always a possibility to improve. Thank you for your reply, and keep on making these great, honest and useful reviews!
@@dheranYT I think a good pickup through a PA is great with a full band. No need to mess with a good thing if you are liking your sound. I will say of all the IR stuff I’ve tried with acoustic, the VPDI retains what I like about my pickup more than others. And doesn’t feel hollow or disconnected like some others have for me.
Aaron, it's just like if you were describing what I think about all of this. When I gave up IRs for live acoustic guitar, I was fairly happy with the pickup sound. Our sound tech guy told me several times to turn off those fxxxxxx IRs and give him just the raw piezo signal. It was a nightmare for him to place in the mix the processed signal. He wasn't able to make it properly. So the pickup signal was the way to go, no need to search elsewhere, actually. That hollowness, or disconnection, that you say... Is exactly what I felt too. But I can't help keeping an eye to new devices or technology. If VPDI is somehow an improvement, I'll be watching. I just love these things!
Thanks very much for this: really interesting. Here's a question from an electro-acoustic cellist: how do I choose between Voiceprint DI and Tone Dexter DI?
Thanks for watching. I’m hoping to do a compare and contrast of some of the options out there including VPDI and tone dexter. Until then, I’ll just say that I prefer the VPDI, but there are people for whom and scenarios in which I might recommend the Tonedexter. They are both great. Are you interested in one of these for live use or recording? What kind of settings are you playing in? Full band? Solo? Do you like your pickup sound?
@@redhatreview Hi, I am classically trained, only coming recently to jazz. I play the bass line in a jazz group (lots of saxes.....) and also with a guitarist. I want a clean sound, with effects from me and my cello, not electronic kit, at least for now. Not interested in recording at the moment, but who knows. Using a Fishman pickup and LR Baggs Para DI at the moment. Fender 85 that I use does not work at all well and I am about to get another amp as well. Trying to choose between AER and Acus; any advice on this also welcome and many thanks for your interest.
@@johnbaruch3106 Hi John. You might want to check out these two videos of a guy who thoroughly tests both the Voice Print and the Tonedexter for use with cello and violin: th-cam.com/video/g4O91nT8V7E/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/RUx29JHrptk/w-d-xo.html He kind of gave the Voice Print a negative review for use with cello, but he only used the iPhone mic (which is the only official way of using it!). I think if had tried external mics as @Red Hat has, he would have been able to get better results. What I love about the concept of the Voice Print is the ease of use, ease of manipulating voice prints with EQ, and the fact that LR Baggs can and probably will be for a long time updating the app and giving new features that improve the pedal more.
@@neilzubot Thanks Neil. I have ordered the Tone Dexter, partly so I can get boost and mute without needing extra pedals. Also getting an Acus Cremona amp so if the sound is bad it will be all down to my playing.......
Yes, you can. You will have to create the voiceprint with a real acoustic though and it would be best if it had the same or similar type of pickup in it.
Thanks. I just got one for my acoustic guitar. But when gigging I use a dual voiced Godin. Been using an Aura Spectrum DI for the longest time. And I'm thinking of replacing the Aura on my board for this. Because of the eq functionality. Thanks for the reply. I'll try it out. Great tip by the way on the external mic
i don’t think so. I think the iPhone dongle is made for a TRRS jack that handles audio in and out in one jack. If you can find a dual 1/4” to 1/8” TRRS cable, and it’s wired correctly, it could work. Give it a try and let me know.
Sorry to hear that. I never had a problem, so unfortunately, I’m not sure how to advise you on making it work. Maybe get in touch with Apple support? Best of luck.
I give the edge to VPDI because it works with a wider variety of pickups and has the least amount of distant/detached sound and feeling. Plus the EQ is insanely powerful. That said. Tonedexter is easier to use with studio mics and probably gives the more realistic mic sound which is great for recording or streaming.
I see that LR Baggs has added in that ability to have both a Master EQ and an EQ on just the voiceprint. Awesome! They probably saw your video and request for it. 👍
Yes! I was very pleased to see that this has been updated.
Thanks for sharing your discovery. I really see this as a game changer. Your results are jaw dropping!
Separate EQs now for the Voiceprint IR itself. Awesome job Baggs!
Thank you for such a helpful and insightful video! If LR Baggs comes out with a version that has a built-in XLR mic input and is not so iPhone centric, then I might consider shelling out the $$$. Although you clearly show it can be done without a built-in XLR input, it seems strange that they left this out as they had to know many people would be wanting to do this.
Thanks! Very helpful, thorough step-by-step explanation. VoicePrint pedal is a game changer, true. . . and when they add compression and other cool sound toys to the app, it will be that much more amazing. I have bought, tried, sold lots of gear over many decades. The LR Baggs VoicePrint DI is "addictive" in that after playing with it a few hours, you don't want to turn it off or go without it. I will even say, the DI is quite good on the VOidePrint and I'm comparing my acoustic tone with plugging into a Rupert Neve DI (RNDI) probably the best DI available.
Connected Earthworks SR314 studio mic to Scarlett 212 output USB into Apple camera connector to Iphone. Confirmation on Scarlett that mic was working, but never got Iphone to recognize it after an hour of trial and error (all error, actually). Disappointing.
Defaulted to MicW I436 mini mic for Iphone. . . directly into Iphone - worked.
Awesome! I've been thinking about getting the Voiceprint because I also have a Shure MV88 for my Iphone and testing out the results between the two. Cool to know I can also use my other mics with it just need to get that Light to USB3 adapter. Thanks for this video!
You are welcome! This simple method takes an already great pedal and makes it more versatile! Let me know what kind of results you get with different mics.
Very cool! Mine is coming in the mail tomorrow. Looking forward to trying this out!
Thank you for the awesome video RH. I'll be trying this first thing tomorrow. I love my VPDI as it is but this is pushing it into a completely new league.
Let me know how it works for you.
@@redhatreview Worked beautifully. Tried two different mics with great results. I still think the iphone mic works great but the option to use mics now is another layer of awesomeness.
Holy Sheet, the ext mic sounds way better! Man, the other reviews of vpdi didnt even mention it, otherwise I would have gotten it instead of the Nux. Ugh. I really didn't have faith that an iphone mic would compare with a nice ext mic, and it seems like it is true. The iphone mic one doesn't really sound useable. I had a feeling that it was the eq that made it sound good. Thanks man, people need to watch your videos.
Thanks again. I am hopeful that LR Baggs will continue to come out with new features. This is a really good pedal that will likely become a great pedal with a few updates. You are right. The ability to eq the external mic ahead of time was critical. That and the ability to monitor the sound in real time and adjust the position.
@@redhatreview Ah, ok I was wondering if you eq'd the mic before sending it to the pedal. You mentioned it, but wasn't sure. All great things to know.
@@roamsy Yes. Very sparingly though. Mainly to address the build up of low end I had been getting. I may try more eq in the future, but I am happy with how it is sounding now.
@@redhatreview Cool, I think it sounds awesome, but it can always sound better ; - )
@@roamsy That is what we are all chasing! lol
Neat. Nudges me toward maybe grabbing one.
I got mine today and recorded the voiceprint via an external DPA 4099 microphone. (Eastman guitar with LR Baggs anthem pickup). In my opinion you get an even far better result when you use fingerpicks for the voiceprint record! Now the acoustic sound is preserved, it just sounds louder! Huge difference!
interesting. Is this vs bare fingers or vs flat picking?
Thank you. I have just tried mine out today with a condenser mic through the IK Multimedia IRIG and a Focusrite Audio Interface. I have a Furch OM Vintage 2 and a Taylor 552e 12 fret both using the LR Bass Anthem on them. Sounds very good. Although, I was thinking of this (hoping you could give your insight). I was thinking of further creating an extra voiceprint for OLD and NEW strings. What do you and anyone else think of this? I'm gonna try this out in a couple of days' time.
Not picking up my external mic
Extremely thoughtful and helpful, thank you so much - and best to you in all your fine efforts brother xo.
To for sharing your insights. Super helpful
Glad it was helpful!
The Nux Optima pedal sounds a lot easier to use. Thanks very much for the level of detail you go to in this video
dou notice some noise with the VPDI on?
Great Job! Really appreciate the attention to detail. I am working through this process as well. I see you have video review for both the ToneDexter and Voiceprint DI. I have not been able to find a review that compares them to one another. It would be great to see a video around these two tools.
I have a Martin HD28 with an Anthem pickup and I currently use the Session DI and Align Series Reverb pedal. I have been happy with the sound quality. I came across the idea of applying an IR of my guitar to the signal to create a more natural sound. I played around with this concept in my DAW and I was pleasantly surprised by how well it sounded. But it’s not practical to travel with my DAW when playing live. I did some digging and came across what I consider two reasonably priced options. The Voiceprint DI and the ToneDexter. I’ve spent time watching TH-cam videos on both of these products but have not found any that show a side by side comparison. It looks like the ToneDexter is setup to capture an IR using an external microphone(s) and allowing you to save them as presets. And the voiceprint DI is setup to only use the microphone of an iPhone. There are certainly advanced control features in the Voiceprint ie EQ etc…when compared to the ToneDexter that I find appealing. But I am having trouble accepting that using the internal microphone of an iphone will provide better results than an appropriate Sennheiser, Shure, Neumann microphone. Can anyone provide insight into your experience using the ToneDexter and the Voiceprint DI, which one you prefer and why?
I am planning on doing a comparison video at some point to help others figure out what will be best for them.
Although it takes some extra equipment, you definitely can use any mic you have to make a voiceprint. Surprisingly, this does not have a huge increase in fidelity, but it does give you a different 'flavor' that you may prefer. Prior to the update that allows for a separate EQ on the voiceprint itself, I found using an external mic best to shape the eq during the creation process. It resulted in a voiceprint that I didn't have to EQ so much in the app and allowed for more seamless blending. This is still helpful, but less so with the recent software and firmware updates.
I prefer the Voiceprint, but that doesn't mean I would recommend it to everyone over the Tonedexter. I think they both have their place. I'll go into detail in a video, but in short: Tonedexter is more mic-like than Voiceprint. It has a depth and hollow sound that is convincing, but not what I like live. The voiceprint maintains more of the feel and attack of your pickup and is a bit more direct sounding, but alters the tone and eq of your pickup to sound very much like your guitar.
I hope this is helpful.
Nice! Thanks for the review.
Hey Redhat! How are you? So I got it yesterday did numeros positions and takes is a very useful tool if you have a standard piezo pickup but in all honesty, the LR Baggs Anthem pick up with Mic Gain to 100% and Blend to 100% mic gives you the same organic sound but more projected and less EQ tweaking. I guess is cool for users with many different guitars with standard piezo pickups and can just store and switch from guitar to guitar. Still an amazing tool with great features.
I agree. These are best for piezo pickups.
Ive got a martin hd28 with a k and k trinity pro system. Sounds amazing through my LR baggs venue DI but I wonder if the voiceprint EQ would give me much more natural air that I desire. Do you think the voiceprint would be a good replacement for the venue Di? You certainly wouldn’t need both right?
You have a great guitar and a great pickup system. The advantage of the voiceprint over the venue is the IR capabilities as well as the fully parametric eq. The advantage of the venue is the physical knobs that allow easier real time adjustments. Which one do you think makes most sense for you and the environments you play in?
Good morning. Can I use VPDI to record the acoustic guitar in the DAW. Or is it better to do the recording with classical 2 CARDIOID CONDENSER MICROPHONES?
You certainly could use the VPDI to record. I would personally always choose microphones in a recording setting if possible.
Thanks a lot for this video. I am planning to get one of these, and I will use and I-Rig HD2 from my mixer with multiple microphones not just one, to capture the guitar as it would be on a studio recording, bridge ,low - high. over nut and 12 fret. What you did here is amazing I was just wondering if this was possible. Thanks a lot.
Thanks for the great demo. I have a few questions :
1. What pickup are you using on your guitar ? (eg. undersaddle piezo, Anthm type mic pickup, K&K Pure Mini type bug pickup, soundhole magnetic pickup ?)
2. Have you tried different pickups and come to any conclusions to which type of pickup the Voiceprint is more successful at giving a more convincing acoustic tone ? If so, which pickup ??
3. How many presets can the Voiceprint store ?
4. Have you tried it for resonator guitars ?
I mainly play National type resonator guitars (with Highlander piezo pickups) but also have a few regular acoustics - so having lots of presets (at least one for each guitar) would be fantastic. I just bought a Gibson 1934 Jumbo reissue and having to consider what pickup to go for (I'd rather not install a under-saddle piezo) - and this Voiceprint looks like it could be great for all my guitars (hopefully !).
Many thanks !
This guitar has a Trance Audio Amulet M pickup. It’s a soundboard transducer pickup with internal preamp.
I have used the VPDI with SBT’s, the Anthem, and UST pickups. It works well on all of them. In particular, the VPDI works better with a wider variety of pickups in comparison to other options.
I think you can store up to 99 presets.
I have not tied it on a resonator.
@@redhatreview OK, thanks !
@@redhatreview Hi again. Thanks for your reply.
OK, one or two things I'm still not clear about.
Is the audio output original analogue audio of the guitar, with specific EQ (programmed by the Voiceprint) to modify that analogue audio, or is the whole audio signal converted to digital, processed, then output as digital (or even converted back to analogue) ?
If going into the digital domain, I'd expect some latency - what is the latency in milliseconds (roughly) ?
ie. I'm trying to work out if there is a slightly latency / delay in the audio coming out from the speakers. A rough millisecond estimate would help me decide if it would be enough to bother me. I'm a keyboard playertoo, and using MIDI from a sound source to the controller etc causes a perceptable latency, on some devices.
Thanks again.
@@snakehips81 The signal chain within the pedal is: Input -> AD Conversion -> Processor -> DA Conversion -> FX Loop -> Analog Volume-> Outputs.
It has no noticeable latency in my experience. My guess is there is latency, but it's so low that it is imperceivable.
Outstanding review as usual!What pickup is in your guitar that you are demoing??
It's a Trance Audio Amulet M pickup.
@@redhatreview thanks homie! I’m pretty confused about which acoustic pickup to put in. I’m looking for something that won’t effect my natural acoustic sound. Been looking at the HFN and K&K. I’ll take a ganders at this one as well. Which flavor pickup is your preferred on a Dred?
@@randyranderson pretty much any sound board transducer pickup fits the desire to not change the acoustic tone of the guitar. I don’t have experience with HFN, but my understanding is it’s on the bright side of the spectrum where as K&K is on the warm/bass-y side of the spectrum. My experience with the trance is very good and i’d probably opt for it again over both other options you mention. If you are wanting a passive pickup, look into Dazzo and Ultratonic as well. Best of luck.
@@redhatreview Thanks for the good gouge bro bro!
Yup...was looking for exactly this. I've got good mics and good preamps; why wouldn't I want to use them? Thank you!
Glad you found this helpful. Let me know how your voiceprints turn out with your outboard equipment.
@@redhatreview Will do. I also think external mics add some other things, too, even if we assume that the iPhone mic is pretty flat. For one, character. I have a pair of Microtech-Geffell mics that add a little something over what any other mics I have can do on an acoustic guitar. Another thing is the ability to aim them, and have a pattern that can reject some of the artifacts that the iPhone omnidirectional mic couldn't. Then you start getting into good preamps, etc, and combine that with the EQ flexibility and feedback control the Voiceprint offers, and I think it's going to be nice.
Ordered the camera kit today. Thanks again!
Hey there, my friend! Greetings from the AGF! Tell me something: between the VP and TD, what are your favorite, and why? I have a HD28 equipped with a K&K Pickup. Do you have any opinion on that? Thank you!
Rodrigo - I can tell you what I prefer, but it may be most helpful to ask some questions as well. Are you planning on using the VPDI or TD live or for recording, or both? Have you used IR with acoustic before and do you prefer a blend or full IR signal? Do you have other guitars / pickups that you will plug into them in addition to the K&K equipped HD28?
With my guitars and pickups, and the way in which I like to use IR on acoustic, I prefer the VPDI. I will say that the TD is maybe more mic-like in that it has a depth and space to it that is hard to describe, but is there. This seems to be a polarizing thing as some people, including me, find that this creates a disconnect when plugged in. There is a hollowness to the sound AND feel. From the audience perspective, it's probably all positive. But for me as the player, I don't like the feel as much.
The VPDI handles a wider variety of pickups that TD in my limited experience including mic based pickups like the Anthem and Lyric. I like the blending on the VPDI better. Most importantly to me is the feel and responsiveness of the pickup is not altered with the VPDI - even at 100%. This is the main reason I like it better. It may not be quite as mic-like as the TD, but I find I just like the sound and feel better.
keep in mind, I am using it live and not for recording, and I prefer to use a blend of it and treat it like I would adding a mic to my pickup signal, which I already like. I'm not looking to totally replace the pickup sound. Just add some depth and woodiness to it by way of the IR.
These things tend to shift as well as there are software updates, so keep in mind this is my thoughts on it as of now. Sorry for the long winded reply. I hope this helps.
@@redhatreview Thanks again for some great advice.
@@darrylday30 I’m happy to share my experiences and thoughts and hope they can be helpful.
Hi there, mate! I've just discovered your channel, and I'm really liking your reviews... They are great, congratulations!
Hey, how do you think this pedal would work in a live full band situation? I ask because I've tried several times to make IR thing work in that kind of situation and for me it just didn't work at all. I tried 3rd party IRs, lowering the blend, but it's just like awful sounding through the PA. At home it's wonderful, but at the stage... it's horrible. I struggled so much with it that I didn't feel like trying tonedexter or any other new pedals.
I've read several times in different forums that tonedexter must be blended very light to work ok live (around 20-30%), which more or less made me think like "ok, just the same story as my tries".
What do you think?
I have had a similar experience. In a full band I have found that a very low blend of IR can work. I have used the Aura this way for a long time. Just to add a little body and depth. The trouble with Aura and other 3rd party IR’s is that they aren’t based on your actual guitar and pickup. I also personally think just a great pickup sounds fantastic in a live full band situation. I have very little full band live experience with the VPDI due to venues not being open, but I’m optimistic that this one will work better than others I’ve tried. I still will likely have it blended with my pickup, but I can see the blend going higher than that of the Aura or Tonedexter and providing a very good sound. As I get some more experience in loud full band settings with the VPDI, I’ll report back with my findings.
@@redhatreview , yeah... I understand that. Actually, I've made some IRs at home for my guitar, thanks to the free algorithm made by JonFields45 (theacousticguitarforum). While they sound much better than 3rd party ones at home, I'm still hesitant to try them live because I was reasonably satisfied with the pickup sound with the full band... And experience told me it wasn't worth trying any more.
I'll be really following your news! Even though I was more or less done with IRs, there's always a possibility to improve. Thank you for your reply, and keep on making these great, honest and useful reviews!
@@dheranYT I think a good pickup through a PA is great with a full band. No need to mess with a good thing if you are liking your sound. I will say of all the IR stuff I’ve tried with acoustic, the VPDI retains what I like about my pickup more than others. And doesn’t feel hollow or disconnected like some others have for me.
Aaron, it's just like if you were describing what I think about all of this. When I gave up IRs for live acoustic guitar, I was fairly happy with the pickup sound. Our sound tech guy told me several times to turn off those fxxxxxx IRs and give him just the raw piezo signal. It was a nightmare for him to place in the mix the processed signal. He wasn't able to make it properly. So the pickup signal was the way to go, no need to search elsewhere, actually.
That hollowness, or disconnection, that you say... Is exactly what I felt too.
But I can't help keeping an eye to new devices or technology. If VPDI is somehow an improvement, I'll be watching. I just love these things!
i get a lot of noise when using my voice print have you noticed this?
I have heard of others experiencing unwanted noise. I haven’t had that problem.
@@redhatreview interesting. I’ve tried three and all had this noise. Also both in ears and through front of house
Dang. That is really too bad. Hopefully Baggs can resolve this issue with V2.
Thanks very much for this: really interesting. Here's a question from an electro-acoustic cellist: how do I choose between Voiceprint DI and Tone Dexter DI?
Thanks for watching. I’m hoping to do a compare and contrast of some of the options out there including VPDI and tone dexter. Until then, I’ll just say that I prefer the VPDI, but there are people for whom and scenarios in which I might recommend the Tonedexter. They are both great. Are you interested in one of these for live use or recording? What kind of settings are you playing in? Full band? Solo? Do you like your pickup sound?
@@redhatreview Hi, I am classically trained, only coming recently to jazz. I play the bass line in a jazz group (lots of saxes.....) and also with a guitarist. I want a clean sound, with effects from me and my cello, not electronic kit, at least for now. Not interested in recording at the moment, but who knows. Using a Fishman pickup and LR Baggs Para DI at the moment. Fender 85 that I use does not work at all well and I am about to get another amp as well. Trying to choose between AER and Acus; any advice on this also welcome and many thanks for your interest.
@@johnbaruch3106 Hi John. You might want to check out these two videos of a guy who thoroughly tests both the Voice Print and the Tonedexter for use with cello and violin:
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He kind of gave the Voice Print a negative review for use with cello, but he only used the iPhone mic (which is the only official way of using it!). I think if had tried external mics as @Red Hat has, he would have been able to get better results. What I love about the concept of the Voice Print is the ease of use, ease of manipulating voice prints with EQ, and the fact that LR Baggs can and probably will be for a long time updating the app and giving new features that improve the pedal more.
@@neilzubot Thanks Neil. I have ordered the Tone Dexter, partly so I can get boost and mute without needing extra pedals. Also getting an Acus Cremona amp so if the sound is bad it will be all down to my playing.......
Hi what do you mean by the percentages? Newbie voiceprint user
That’s the amount of voiceprint blended with the pickup signal.
Thanks for this. Can you use this pedal with a piezo equipped electric guitar as well?
Yes, you can. You will have to create the voiceprint with a real acoustic though and it would be best if it had the same or similar type of pickup in it.
Thanks. I just got one for my acoustic guitar. But when gigging I use a dual voiced Godin. Been using an Aura Spectrum DI for the longest time. And I'm thinking of replacing the Aura on my board for this. Because of the eq functionality. Thanks for the reply. I'll try it out. Great tip by the way on the external mic
Could you just plug the 1/8 inch jack into the dongle you get with your phone into the lightning jack?
i don’t think so. I think the iPhone dongle is made for a TRRS jack that handles audio in and out in one jack. If you can find a dual 1/4” to 1/8” TRRS cable, and it’s wired correctly, it could work. Give it a try and let me know.
Haven’t been able to get my iPhone to switch over.
Sorry to hear that. I never had a problem, so unfortunately, I’m not sure how to advise you on making it work. Maybe get in touch with Apple support? Best of luck.
VPDI Vs tonedexter. Whats your opinion?
I give the edge to VPDI because it works with a wider variety of pickups and has the least amount of distant/detached sound and feeling. Plus the EQ is insanely powerful.
That said. Tonedexter is easier to use with studio mics and probably gives the more realistic mic sound which is great for recording or streaming.
Too bad Baggs doesn't just have a 1/4 jack for a mic on the device.
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