In middle school, I was bullied by everyone, not just the designated bullies. I was spit on, had books dropped on my head, pushed into lockers, pushed around in the gym locker room, picked last for every team, cut in the lunch line, had lunch trays stolen from me, had pencils and binders ripped out of my hands, and was generally treated like trash. I also didn't have a single friend, and I wasn't enrolled in any extracurricular activities. I never fought back, nor did I ever report any of the abuse. Apparently everyone could sense something in me that made them think, "He's an easy target." It wasn't until long after I graduated high school that my family learned of all this, and even then I was hesitant to tell them. This is where much of my current social anxiety and obsessive-compulsiveness comes from. Speaking from experience, I can say with absolute certainty that "not stooping to the bullies' level"-pacifism and nonviolence-do not work. If you (or a young relative) are being bullied in school, you _must_ fight back. You cannot try to ignore the abuse; that just makes it worse. For your mental health's sake, you must fight back. Even if you end up losing the fight, you at least made the statement that you are willing to physically defend yourself.
It is simply immoral not to fight back. If bullies bully with no repercussions then they will continue to do so to others. I am sorry you were bullied.
@@uberhaxonova It depends on the bullying and the person being bullied. Sometimes walking away is much easier and safer. If you are mentally tough enough and able to shrug off abuse i consider it fine.
For anyone willing to listen, don’t fight back physically or verbally (heated) with a bully... Ever… unless they get physical and hit you, then by any means defend yourself. Otherwise, fight with your actions and words. Never show resistance, hatred or fear to a bully. Stand tall and use humility, kindness, and self respect. It starves them of the fuel they need from you. With insults they give to you, what are they gonna do if you smile and say “your so kind, or thanks for the compliment”. What if you just ignored them and kept doing what you’re doing without being bothered. It gives them no power. What will they do If they are treating you like crap and take your money but you start smiling at them and offer them an extra dollar on top? Never look at yourself as hopeless, defeated and a victim with no way out cause you only really fail yourself. The more you think outside the box like this, you will build courage and see yourself getting bullied as your time to shine. You will become an eagle. Eagles love storms. And for you christians, open up your bibles and study it cause all the knowledge is already available to you.
I've been pondering why people put down others, sometimes hitting them like a fly by a baseball bat. The obvious answer is that they are jealous and feel inferior, but this 'Every ideal is a judge' digs a layer deeper.
Perhaps-you can look at that slide again where the kids are burning down the house and tearing up the piano. I counted at least 4 phallic symbols and tehn there's the 3 bare breasted status. ALL Disney movies have the same thing
THIS IS SO TRUE!! I use to be a bouncer and as a result of a traumatic childhood, I cant stand watching people getting bullied and harassed. To hell if I get hurt; I've survived hell. I have never been more selfless and brave when I see someone helpless under the weight of an oppressing bully. I've mastered the stare down. People think its a game of chicken or who looks meaner. Oh no. That's what gets you punched. Only someone who's never been in a fight acts like that. What really unnerves people is a calm demeanor of pure acceptance while looking in to their eyes like your looking though them. You cant shake. You cant show any emotion but pure acceptance for what is about to happen. Eyes un-moving. Unblinking. Since I discovered this method back in 2002, I haven't had to put my fists to work since. However, I've noticed that people who are brave enough to throw a fist don't puff a chest and also walk around with that look of acceptance. However, they give off a vibe that begs someone to start something.
My older friend and I got drunk and traded blows. It was fun, he is a gulf war veteran and has PTSD, but the bonding we got from that brought us even closer as friends, more like brothers. I'm aware it's an unhealthy way to get rid of your frustration but everything you said is true. Your acceptance of a throw down with someone during a state down, and being stoic about it intimidates them more to the point they will back down.The foundation of confidence is eye contact, it's the most powerful tool in your arsenal
90% of Security work is standing there looking unimpressed when someone is trying to mean mug you down. You make it clear "the police are already coming, I'm not gonna throw the first punch but I will reciprocate if you do." They're predators, so makes sense that they follow the same general instincts that predators do, to include the fact that they'll always think twice at the prospect that they'll get hurt in the process of them taking a certain action. It's why they seek weaker prey, and just the presence of Security/Bouncers will be enough for the majority of people not to start shit. "Can I help you?!" "Possibly, [followup question that challenges whether or not they should even be there]." And then all of a sudden diplomacy is back on the table.
I feel like i understand this eye stare down too, i do it as a test to see whos wprthy of my time and who isnt. Those who have embraced themselves and understood themselves are capable of anything, so long theyre not too impulsivr cause then you lose control that way. I hang around older people and talk to a lot of older people which made me mature past the high school phases people go tbrough. And its sad how many people dont value their lives as much as i do. I want smart mature crazy people to be around me but sadly im stuck with kids trying to go through adolescence and its a bit lonely just being the only kid in school whos kind of awakened in a way. Im being ignorant to the fact that there are smart people in my school but theyre so hard to find i swear.
‘The Prince’ by Machiavelli was actually released as an attempt to gain favour with the powerful Medici family. There was no intent to arm the oppressed masses as they were illiterate.
@@vsatonthebeat4101 yeah possibly, his writings are said to have inspired certain democratic movements during enlightenment. Although its not wise to assume a writer is a 'good guy' just because they were so brilliant at what they did. Many believe Shakespeare to have been a racist, after all.
My dad grew up in the 50s and 60s and said he and his friends from the dojo would go to bars specifically to pick out and take apart the psychos who prey on the weak or kind.
Bug Pepper actually no my father reports that what dr. Peterson says here is largely true. When confronted most Psychopaths will very quickly revert to their own self-interest. Remember their goal is to sadistically beat and humiliate someone who poses no threat. Their goal is not to have their bodies broken by brave men willing to fight back.
His story about standing up to bullies was absolutely true in my case. When I was 9 or 10 a kid in my was always pestering, challenging and bullying me, saying he'd beat me up, eat me even. He'd follow me home from school, yelling these things at me (from across the street). So the first time I stood up to this was quit close to home. I turned to him and said: "I'll just drop off my bag and I'll be back." When I came back, he was gone, much to my surprise. He had invested a lot of time and effort in bullying me and telling me he wanted to fight me, so I was surprised he didn't take this opportunity. The second time, still relatively close to home, I just put my bag down behind me and said: "Ok, come on then." Which made him scowl and shut up and walk away. And he never bothered me again. An other time was in high school. where a guy kept pushing, pushing pushing (verbally) until I finally lashed out in anger (physically). Actually a very non-expert blow to his stomach. I always avoid fights (which is not necessarily a good character trait), so I have zero fighting skill. He never bothered me again either. These bullies I've encountered are cowards. Perhaps they feel very insecure and have to put down others to feel better themselves. Standing up to a bully may give you anxiety in that moment, but the reward may be a better life for you. Disclaimer: I'm sure there are exceptions to this.
"Every ideal is a judge." A very true statement. Perhaps this is why post-modernism did its best to destroy the ideals and objective values of the arts: because people do not wish to be judged by an ideal, and they wish that something like John Cage's 4'33" could contend with Bach's Mass in B minor or Ravel's Le Tombeau de Couperin."
Maybe it's good that I don't know who John Cage is. There is a classmate on my facebook who agreed to compose a piece for me. He asked me what I was expecting and I suggested a certain classical piece, but he never responded. I thought I had said or done something wrong to warrant his silence until one day, years later, he posted that he was amongst a group of Swedish and Danish composers and he felt inferior to them since he had no background in classical music and only knew what we call 'country music'. Obviously, it took a few years for him to become aware of and confront his feelings of insecurity. I'm not sure if he ever delved deeper into this and learned anything about classical music, but I was able to understand that it was not my fault he never responded to my initial email.
Peterson's depth and breadth of insight is stunning to behold. And that is coupled with his real gifts as a teacher and communicator. I feel fortunate to be able to listen in on these classes. "You can live a responsibility free life, but the price you pay is that it doesn't get to be meaningful". "You can live a meaningful life, but it's only going to be as meaningful as the amount of responsibility that you are willing to bear." Damn.
He is a psychologist... not philosopher??? What the fuck are you talking about????? You are quite dangerouse if you fail to realize the subject of this class. Wtf?!?!?!?! This video was taken as philosophy??? No wonder people hate Jordan B. Peterson. Da save us.
@@happyninjafighter2 He is belligerent in debate, but wants the opposition to be civilized. When they don't play his game he breaks down and acts like he's being picked on. His attitude toward SJW is belligerent, but he thinks he's supposed to be respected, because he believes he's the one who's right! For him to be a psychologist he seems to be a little crazy to me.
@@jamberry8026 when has he said anything against sjws? I remember being in your shoes. Listen to his lectures. He says what he means. If he mispeaks he will say so. He is on both of our "side" he doesnt see sides and he is literally cries during lectures after confrontations because he dislikes conflict so much. Thats why he does what he does. To disarm. And to see people take arm against it... it would hurt me too. I dont agree with everything he believes in necessarily, but he is a good man.
@@happyninjafighter2 philosophy literally means "love of wisdom" and he definitely shows an appreciation for sapience (another word for wisdom/consciousness) and all things related to it so technically by definition he's a philosopher. Psychology is a form of philosophy.
let a man be judged by what he does with what he has...pour all your meaning into your life BUT when it all falls away through no fault of ur own then you must be able to walk on with pure acceptance. THATS the hard one.
@@aFoxyFox. You can regrow a good life step by step...all those small steps add up as long as they are in a positive direction and you will find yourself in a better place eventually...just dont give up...
I was bullied in junior high and high school, went through depression in 20s. But i choose to let anger defeat me. Later 20s i realized anger can boost you up or bring you down. Later i chose for anger to kick my ass and motivate me. Anger is a choice. A choice to fall or rise.
Anger is a super power generated by that infamous burst of adrenaline. The trick is to discharge that energy somewhere useful on the correct side of the law.
I am so glad I found this man. I am addicted to his videos. It's as if I can feel my brain growing as I watch him. How fortunate are we to have the opportunity to access this kind of information instead of relying on the alphabet networks to entertain our minds with drivel.
Pretty much i'm 6'7 and for most of my life of a slight build but didn't have much of a problem with bullies. But then once i worked out and learned how to fight the problem went to zero. I guess that shallow mechanism that bullies work on is put off by size and confidence. Incedentally i never ever started any trouble.
WOW!!! JUST DANG WOW!!!!!! The way Jordan Peterson is able to explain concepts and give examples of these concepts not only visually but with relatable life experiences that many can connect to is beyond phenomenal, Thank God we are able to watch some of these lectures FOR FREE on youtube. It really blows my mind. I also love the fact or how incorporates all aspects of all theories and explains how all of them can work together, creating our sense of reality.
I empathise with the 1st story so much.. So many people have asked me "do you want a fight?" in an attempt to start a fight.. My answer is always "yes" (as I know its an intimidation tactic) and no fight ever takes place as they back down.
The point about amusement parks was really interesting. I wrote a poem about my life with Cluster Bs and all the metaphors were rollercoasters, halls of mirrors, tunnels of love, funhouse lights and overall the scary, horrifying, disorienting, experience of "excitement" that I got programmed to pursue and which led me into so many relationships with PDs even after I left my family of origin. Nail on head!
What are all the signs and warning signs and traits in detail please? Are you personally done making the mistakes and are now able to spot the clues and hints? Please tell me all, even if it seems weird or wrong like ethnic background ir hair color/style or clothing choices. Thankfully you!
I was getting bullied for having homemade clothes one time. And I listened to things she was saying, and then I realized, "she's kinda stupid!" That was an amazing moment. I still felt bad because I didn't have confidence, but I had one little thing that helped me from being bullied anymore by her.
I thought I had it bad. My mom dressed us with clothes from Zeller’s or the Bi-Way. I didn’t know thrift stores existed, I would’ve happily shopped there instead. No complaints though. Clothes were certainly not what really needed attending to.
@@ianway2725 I had that one little crumb that got me through. I have an insight to offer, from Barbara Sher. She said something like, "self-recrimination is something people do to feel like they had more power than they really did." If that makes sense. How did you survive, I. W.?
Also known as "consider the source", a few people tried to pull this on me as well. But i instinctively asked myself "what makes them better or more knowledgeable than myself?" Honest answer~ nothing. Many are smarter or more savvy than i am, but if they are then they usually won't belittle you. Smaller minds reach UP to strike at a feared person. And they aren't worth your time. Study people & save yourself some grief. 😎
ZiglerZ lol I just watched from that time marker like 8 times and sent this video to people recommending watching from 11:11.. then scrolled down and saw this comment.
Just remember that taking on 'responsibility' without understanding what you are doing is actually irresponsible. Before anything else it's your primary responsibility is to choose for yourself what you want to do with your life. If you look at responsibility in the right way it's the same thing as the pursuit of freedom.
I can legit feel the calmness if that room I just want to close my eyes and take notes and be a student again I miss the calmness if being in a classroom and honestly this guy knows what he's talking about I should know
You need to have taken a hit from a bully in your life to understand that violence can be used for good and bad. One of the best days of my life was the day I stood up to a bully, it paved out exactly who i became later on in life. When my son is old enough one of the first things he will learn from me is how to throw a punch, that's the easy part, it's teaching them how not to throw a punch - that's the trick.
Bob Dylan said it too.... in 1964 Chimes of Freedom... Warriors, whose strength is not to fight ... beautifully stated. Far between sundown’s finish an’ midnight’s broken toll We ducked inside the doorway, thunder crashing As majestic bells of bolts struck shadows in the sounds Seeming to be the chimes of freedom flashing Flashing for the warriors whose strength is not to fight Flashing for the refugees on the unarmed road of flight An’ for each an’ ev’ry underdog soldier in the night An’ we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing
I went to middle school then high school with a gril who was always bullied. One morning I was heading to my first class. Trying to get my mind right after watching my divorcing parents fight all morning. I see the shy girl walking further down the hall in front of me being pushed and shoved into the lockers. She never looked up, never fought back. As I approach something snapped in me. I started grabbing kids and slamming them into lockers screaming "How do you like it." I was in a rage until I wasn't. Picked up my stuff and went to class. She was in the class. She sat next to me. In fact she was in EVERY CLASS of mine. I never realized it. We've been friends for 30 years and going now.
Key word: everyday. It's okay to indulge every once in a while. In fact, it's healthy. But don't make these things the primary/fundamental purpose of your life.
A Foxy Fox the world is only meaningless if you decide to live a life devoid of purposeless. Nihilism is a brutal existence. Don’t subject yourself to it. Find your meaning and devote yourself to it, if it is good.
What's interesting about Nihilism is that it doesn't matter that nothing matters, or not. So you are free. So you might as well make something matter regardless, for the benefits it can bring to you. Hedonism is my go to when I find myself powerless to make positive strides towards meaningful goals. Not all of us can be a jordan Peterson.
Back in High School this guy purposefully bumped into me in the hallway. Then he says, "What'd you do that for?" I knew his type, he was looking for weakness. He was expecting me to go, "Uh uh uh, oh my bad man." Instead I said, "Because I'm an asshole." He laughed, and we became sort of acquaintances. Never had any trouble from him again. I think you can learn why the world is the way it is by studying the interactions of middle/high school students.
Yeah well people do test you but you have to be careful not to actually become friends with and accepted by assholes just to avoid them picking on you too. That is another way they get you to submit to them by becoming one of them. I was picked on a bit but I was scrappy and willing to be crazy if it scared them off but usually did not want their friendship even if I dominated the confrontation and they accepted me. I don't like people who thrive off drama like that.
I was kind of beefy in the nineties. But I didn't want to fight. I wasn't scared of people taller or mor muscular than me. So when I was threatened I made friends with those who threatened me. Obviously not deep friendship, but we respected each other.
He blew my mind at the very end when he said: "If people would chose a pointless life there would be pointless amusements put at their disposition" Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat etc.
There is nothing I hate more than bullies. The best advice I can give is this: nobody likes getting punched in the face, not even bullies. I got my ass kicked quite a few times and of course it hurt but I never got in a fight with the same guy twice. Once they know that if they mess with you they will get hit back they stop, even if they are the ones who “win” in the end
No they don't, you've just never dealt with any serious bullies. I've shot and stabbed people who harassed me for years, and they just keep coming back harassing you and bragging about how "strong" they are. They don't stop until they're dead--which is exactly what they want, so they can die hoping that you go to prison. I'm Canadian, I live in the Land of the Ultimate Degenerate.
Im 5'7 and have always had the heart of lion fighting for the light and this is so true. watching the ego and confidence quickly diminish out of these weak heart predators is priceless. Have love in your heart and you will never be defeated. Lots of love to Everyone, Keep strong in these tough times.
9:55 he describes my stepfather perfectly. Everyone in my family gives him shit because he can never sit down and watch a movie with us, but I've always admired him for it because he's incredibly productive and very good at focusing on problems and solving them.
I am a bully, not only was I violent physically I was more brutal verbally and found that I could do more harm when emotionally and mentally breaking people. It took me seeing my own behaviour in my son to realise the damage I did. I have also spent the last 4 years to fix my own behaviour so that I can teach my son a better more considerate way. In many ways I fail daily. I just hope that my actions now can spare my son the difficulty I experience daily.
@@TheEthalon if there is anyone that should experience that, it should be me. I don's know if he will be strong enough to overcome that. The difference is that i have the clarity of hind sight. Even though I lack empathy for those I damaged, I have the intellect to identify my behaviours and the ability attempt to fix it. I own what I did and do. But this is a much longer conversation.
@Monzo Lena i dont need empathy when dealling with people such as yourself. I dont have empathy and i cannot help that. But i work hard every day to ensure my kids are raised well without my short commings. I can appreciate that you might have had deallings with someone like me. Maybe even worse than me but i can honestly say that my actions are making my childrens lives better. They can see others pain. They have empathy and the cycle stopped with me. You are right that i dont understand the damage i did. I dont care to live in the past. But i work really hard to not damage more snowflakes in my every day actions. Trust me its hard but my motivation is admiral. I would recommend that you dont pretend to be a keyboard warior and rather contribute positively. Should you be brave enough to understand a persons actions, ask. I do not wish a person like me on anyone. I can also not appologise for what happened to you or someone you know because i would not mean it but i can give you pointers on how to deal with idiots like me with little effort.
@Dread Man you might be right. We will never know. One thing is certain. Most people reading this posts do not read so well. My initial response was one of identifying as a dumb idiot and how i am working my way to fix that behaviour in my son. But i have dealt with a few people such as yourself with the robin hood mentality. Sure i had my ass handed to me that day. But i got my own back. Thanks for the reply though.
@@JohanWilsenach Don't be too harsh on yourself, the fact that you identify it in your son and intentionally want him to be better means something - nobody can force themselves to feel emotions, but anyone can lie about what they 'feel', including empathy - I find your honestly refreshing in that regard...maybe you're a better person than you give yourself credit for. To the first person who commented - The Ethalon - why would you wish punishment for a fathers past deeds to be inflicted on their son? Are kids responsible for the shit their parents did, now? You think making a comment like that makes you better than Johan? At least he acknowledges what he is and has done, wanting better for his kids seems pretty righteous to me - nobody is beyond redemption... And nobody deserves to pay for their fathers' bad deeds, it'd be more pertinent for you to wish the opposite, that his son becomes a better man - the fact that you actively wish harm on someone you don't even know based on an honest reflection/confession doesn't make you a good person. Truth is nobody is 100% good, Johan isn't the exception when it comes to bad behaviour, he's the exception when it comes to being honest about the things he's done.
[ Dark Triad: narcissism, psychopathology, Macheavellianism ] When their unconscionable behavior is met by an ethical awareness, it isn't (or doesn't always have to be) simply a matter of agreeableness or comfrontation.Most people claim to be a 'regular' or 'real person' and typify, determine and project reality based on the apparent solidity of their 'definitions and recognitions'. Ethical awareness is much more dynamic. There's 'a third alternative' that transcends the dualistic notion of rationality and irrationality. The better aspects of situational ethics depends on this. Dealing effectively with things as they are is more sublte and often quite revealing without preemptively ruling out any particular response. Mr Peterson maintained that reality is somewhere between a subjective and objective perspective.
@@snackler6102 There is an irony involved. While our sense of responsibility 'carries the weight', there is tremendous freedom, in truth, a wonderous joy involved and experienced while living in the immediate happenstance of 'things as they are'. Observe a father playing catch with his child after just receiving the praise of his boss and peers. His situation seems to offer the feeling that life is a smooth sail. The same ball and child may also be with his father who is concerned about the likely hardships of having just lost his job. The latter senario would have this loving parent preoccupied and distant. But the weight and lightness of being -- through a mindful, selfless rapport with life -- allows for faith's greatest irony: What appears to seem like a good or bad circumstance contains its own opposite. On Monday, that boss and business was rocked by a scandal; the new job and the necessary adjustments saved a marriage and helped cultivated a loving family. Don't be afraid. It takes courage to allow for All This -- the perpetual arising -- to simply be while co-creating 'just so'. The secret is quite obvious: even the best of thoughts offer but an accurate road sign "Live amidst this spaciousness; sincerity and silence are as natural a mother's touch. Welcome to 'things as they are'.
Kris Kristofferson. I'm with you, but credit where credit is due. Songwriter before singer. (A variation of this line appears in MONSTROUS: The Autobiography of a Serial Killer but for the Grace of God)
I was immersed into systemic cultural and institutionalized bullying/bigotry when I had moved to the Midwest, as a child. As an adult, I find the same systemic cultural and institutionalized bullying/bigotry from all races, creeds, religions, employers, and states (in USA). It's like being surrounded by spoiled, entitled, megalomaniac toddlers. To quote Tevye from "Fiddler on the Roof," "As the Good Book says, 'Heal us, O Lord, and we shall be healed.' In other words, send us the cure. We've got the sickness already."
I was a big uncoordinated kid with no self-esteem and no dad. All through school I was bullied and taken advantage of. When I was 19 I went to work in concrete construction. After the first year, I was an absolute monster with muscle and strength. I was never bullied again and never had a fight with anyone. I stayed in the industry until retirement and am thankful for the strength and confidence it gave me to persevere.
I think the setting of amusement parks are much more simple. Its a place where you are supposed to be happy, so the dysphoria of such place becoming the source of your fear really rubs people in an uncomfortable way, since suddenly you are supposed to be scared of joy. Or it's a metaphor for the dark side of joyous things, how there has to be some dark side for you to enjoy a certain thing. I don't know, this seems simpler but maybe it's to simple.
@Robert Cook Killer babies! Yeah, I don't think I've met one of these people for real. Only online some people who seemed really obsessive and crazy almost ridiculous egomaniacs devoted to absurd things like counting money to insult stranger and not as a joke? It seemed like narcissism or something wacky anyway, also the weird way some people were writing. I think the weird people I've encountered were at least genuinely mental cases but I doubt I've met any real dangerous killer type person. One guy in Europe seemed to have very weird traits and was extremely petty and vengeful and vowing vengeance constantly and trying to carry it out and doing a number of crazy things but that could be something else too. I am very glad if dangerous crazy people or psychopaths are very uncommon and rare to encounter. I definitely doubt the amount of people coming out claiming they knew psychopaths or even claiming they were diagnosed as such, I think those people encountered annoying people they don't like and the other bunch feels empowered by being associated with something they think is cool or scary or something probably. Oh maybe I did meet one possible, probably sociopath or something vagabond who sort of mugged me on my wedding day and whispered blessings into my ear lol just that he was so obnoxiously scary and forceful about forcing me to give him 30 dollars to the point of following me into a restaurant to get it.
@Robert Cook Were you maybe dealing with females who have borderline personality disorder? They sometimes really traumatize people and are on the range of personality disorders along with others like narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths. Often they make themselves appear very attractive or maybe a bit eccentric with brightly colored hair and fashions and lots of make up and have track records of numerous boyfriends and breakups and seem very nice maybe initially but go completely nuts any second over anything so I person is left confused and afraid and fighting and feeling like anything could trigger an insane outburst or offense or tantrum. Then there are these people who I'm not sure if they are narcissists or what but they seem to have no consideration ir feelings for anyone and love flaunt wealth or prestige almost to an embarassing level and are totally petty and vengeful. Then I've talked to Bi polar people who go into very strange loopy seeming stream of thought dialogue or become extremely sexual or excited during a manic phase or again getting very serious about stuff which sounds completely crazy to anyone else hearing it, like one male with bi-polar or manic depression was screaming about nuclear ducks during an episode. In the case of possible sociopaths, I'd imagine a lot of criminal offenders or people who hurt people or rob and steal and stuff might have that so I've seen some people who seem like criminal types or are nasty or scary but often they seem to also be drug users or really make themselves pretty obvious by acting out in public or dressing in ways and moving in ways that make them seem like they want to get in trouble or pick fights. As for possible psychopaths, online mainly I've witnessed people who basically do all sorts of terrible things sort of without a second thought, like manipulating and abusing young girls or blackmailing them just for the heck of it ir for kicks, they sound a bit crazy at least, others talk about callously killing ir torturing or mutilating animals if not performing very nasty sorts of unecessarily extreme vengeance, so those might be or probably were psychos of some sort, others who claimed to be diagnosed had very dull senses and needed or sought out very extreme ir violent thrills or risks to "feel something" or anything. Depressed people I've talked to sound like most things are hopeless and sort of look numb or pale and their eyes deadened and talk about suicide a lot. Schizophrenics I've talked to are often saying increasingly weird or crazy things, and paranoid schizophrenics seem to go nuts or ramble incessantly about very wacky and absurd sounding crazy things too but are often somehow including being tormented by some sort of persecuting force or agent. Chauvinists I've talked to seem to go out of their way to instigate trouble with women, maybe those are misogynists. Luckily the vast majority of people I've encountered are mostly relatable and friendly and have normal reactions to things and are pretty calm in public. There was one Aspergers kid who kept asking me some question that made no sense, which was like something about scorpions and the Prince of England and the mafia, but for him this question was perfectly sensible and when asked to repeat it he repeated it in exactly the same way as the original way they asked down to the intonation and speed so it all appeared very odd. Sometimes, especially when seeing too many comments online or watching people interact outside I feel like too many people are pretty uncivil and awkward as well as inconsiderate. Most of the people I see out acting obnoxiously are teenagers though.
@Robert Cook Yeah, maybe even people saying stuff like that can in some cases be a subtle clue. I'm basically pretty freaked out by people who make a big show of themselves and I find one other clue can be a person who reports basically an endless stream of fights, conflicts, breakups, extreme circumstances in their past, dramas galore. There is one girl I saw who seemed to have all these traits and one after another she had a chain of intense and immediate relationships then talks about how the guys were abusive or crazy every time, but after about the 10th story like that, one might wonder what the heck is wrong with the person telling the stories or how they keep making the same mistakes without caution and what is being underplayed in their re-telling of the stories. What is most disturbing is the very public bad mouthing of the people they have dealt with, practically all of them, and the sheer amount if endless chaos and controversies they report being entangled with. Then in a second they are back at it again wearing barely anything and tons of make up with a new extreme and often unnatural hair color and hunting their next target. In some online discussions on TH-cam where psychologists discuss Borderline Personality Disorder they have stated the people who have it often don't have much of a clear sense of identity or personal character and almost seem to have multiple characters or personas as sort of masks. It could even be why they make themselves look so easy to notice, like they really want their character to be blatantly made up of surface qualities which are extremely distinct and may cover their damaged original looks which they might have grown to resent or avoid because of the traumas you accurately described as being endlessly projected and re-lived. I think the Borderline Personality people are much more common than the psychopaths and even the sociopaths, and ultimately probably psychologically damage and traumatize many more victims than the others who may be rarely encountered or not interacted with much in a hostile way. I think that Borderline Personality people are also pretty aggressive in pursuing people, so end up just targeting someone and being very overt and not wasting much time, initiating intimacy or sexual contact or getting people very involved quickly like in a rush, and within no time starting to argue, accuse, shout, fight, lie. I think many people may deal with milder forms of this in general but it becomes very crazy when its a full fledged borderline looney tune. Getting out of it can be pretty difficult seeming because of the insane drama and even threats and acts of vengeance and all sorts of lunatic stuff. Ugh, I shudder to even think about it and the things I've even witnessed. If someone does manage to very much avoid these people they are extremely lucky. If a girl comes along and looks like a cartoon barbie beauty or something and takes her clothes off in one second and is very aggressive about getting involved in a very rushed sexual relationship, people might be wise to run for the hills, and their male counterpart versions who have borderline personality disorder are basically the same, putting a lot into their weird artificial looks, having a chain of dramas where they are constantly unable to maintain peace or peaceful contact with others, quickly pursuing extreme interactions and having wild outbursts or tantrums suddenly and frequently without explanation or doing sabotaging or troublemaking things to instigate conflict or controversy. I think of all the mental problems this one being as frequent as it is is one of the most unpleasant and though there are some reports of cognitive therapies working to some degree with some patients or clients, it appears there is no real cure, just like the related problem of psychopathy. It seems also to me that crazy people come out of the woodworks online mostly or often gravitate to large population areas in real life, but it could just be one finds more in densely populated areas because of more likelihood of finding all sorts of people, except the high drama of lots of people and events around may be providing them with what they end up seeking out or pursuing. What gave me the idea about densely populated areas also was how some people with apparent mental issues of certain types appear to have options to go elsewhere but seem to frequently be just wandering around in the city doing who knows what, even when it has no apparent economic value for them or other incentives. So I think normal sane people may have qualities that are pretty mild or common, they have rather predictable emotions and reactions (which is a good thing), they don't try for much attention or really feel the need to be extremely vocal about anything. They follow in a rather casual manner a general sequence of life events at a roughly normal range of times or similar options, often having few sexual relationships if any and getting married in their late twenties or early thirties these days, it may have been earlier more commonly in the past but still happens possibly a little earlier in religious communities with more conservative or older standards for longer. It may be a bit silly, but people may be able to sort of judge books by their covers, including how they choose to present themselves and be viewed, their apparent strategies, their critic reviews and past history or track record without ever really getting into the book itself very deeply. Its probably safe to assume the worst for ones own sake even and unlikely to be some private personal treasure that others found unbearable to deal with. Its unfortunate though, because some of these people make themselves absolute masters of image and image control to lure in their victims or make it easy for them to replay their ghost stories for all eternity.
@Robert Cook Totally, great points you brought up, especially the control thing and yeah the looneys are filled in the "social justice" movements as they find more opportunities where they can pick fights and try to yell people into submission more often when taking up sone cause. Haha the green hair with tits hanging out thing was pretty funny as well. All the red flags can be helpful for people who feel its better to be safe than sorry. What I like least about all this is that even in the last 10 years it seems to have become more difficult to get in touch with normal people in practically any context, since most people have apparently moved online and the internet seems flooded by very vocal and intimidating bunches of crazies that the more mild people seem utterly drowned out or hard to find. Yeah, some rather normal and decent people can get caught up in repeatedly getting involved with various sorts of nasty or predatory people who try to take advantage of them or treat them abusively, and in those cases it seems to often happen with people who are the kind who might give people the time of day or benefit of the doubt or end up caring and being of a more giving and self-less nature, which ends up being a perfect prime target for a life-sucking jerk who finds a punching bag. Basically anyone who has been able to have a long successful relationship with a borderline person is basically just fully controlled, silent, obedient to their wacky whims, as any opposition is met with disproportionate violence or extreme tantrums and drama. I think its basically hell though and no tits worth it. Faces on the other hand, lol but even those pretty faces get contorted into the stuff of nightmares while they are yelling or bawling or whatever. Ugh, one of the worst nuts I ever saw was this little girl throwing the most senseless, insane, evil tantrum for no apparent reason in order to terrorize her mother. I thought that little psycho is going to grow up to destroy a lot of minds.
@@aquariusvibe7851 Agree. And you should never ever fight anyone unless you have something to gain from it. Fistfights and what not is the most stupid shit you can do as you only harm yourself and others. You have to think about the long-term game and choose your fights wisely. And it should always be done strategically, pragmatically and politcally. That's how you really win in life.
It is remarkable how this should be a truism. I've worked a decade and half in the food service industry and have seen this played out dozens and dozens of times. There is something about the focus of the culinary arts that appeals to those whose antisocial behavior has been cultivated by the absence of a truly creative outlet in their early lives. If there ever was proof of God, it's the human concept of cuisine.
I used to be exactly the same - I really was not bothered about seeing the world burn. I wanted to see exactly what would happen and I’d be there just to observe and be on neither side.
I don't think you are only conscientious if you feel you need to be doing something all the time. Work is a means to an end. you are conscientious so you know you need to work to support yourself or your family and to provide you with the resources to finance the things you do in your spare time, i.e. hobbies. I believe I am defined more by my hobbies than by my job. If you do for a living what you would do in your spare time you are lucky. 5% have a vocation, 95% have a job;)
I remember a long time ago that if you ask an American what they do, they'll respond with their job -- welder, bank clerk; but if you ask a European what they do, they'll respond with their hobby -- rock climber, artist. As cultures get warped, this may no longer be true, but it's interesting to contemplate what this says about their world view.
@Buster Foyt Doing your hobbies as your job can be a huge mistake. I think jobs are meant to be kept for about 2-3 years before you move on to something else, otherwise total burnout is inevitable, and I've seen it happen with every single professional artist and musician. Remember that Jordan Peterson himself had to be put on a cocktail of antidepressants to even begin to cope with daily life. That says something IMO.
@@aFoxyFox. If the things you sacrifice plus the time you sacrifice result in much greater things and more useful time going forward than you're damn right
@@m_js5709 hmm. I guess so, its just a bit hard for me to imagine a good or realistic example of that which doesn't involve risk and luck and other factors. Often I think of people who spend their whole lives working dilligently or making sacrifices to retire at an old age all decayed having ultimately or apparently miscalculated and spent all their youth and strength aimlessly to achieve some sort of status or level of wealth they were barely able to use or enjoy.
@@m_js5709 "conscientiousness" is even more vague though than basic calculations of pros and cons of things rated or judged for the sense of value or pleasure they give us.
I live in a bad neighborhood which is made out of nothing but back alleys, I feel happy to know Jordan Peterson, somebody I look up to came from a humble place if he could get out I can get out
I’m gonna respectfully give Dr Peterson some really good advice about this subject because for whatever reason I decided to handle these types of situations(to this day) this way: - when bullied or when witnessing bullying you have to temporarily use your fear for sympathetic system energy and convince yourself that you are facing evil-so you must mimic that evil with courage-but in extremely higher levels. Don’t take shit from ANYONE and don’t let others start shit with Anyone Else. The outcome will be just for all mankind-no matter what the outcome. We all still live in daily battles just like our ancestors did and real men still exist but they just need to experience that first confrontation where they decide to charge ahead instead of retreat and be a total disappointment to themselves. The world would change significantly in a matter of days if the bullies realized they are not the only people that can fight and that dose of reality will make mature men out of misguided boys(and it doesn’t matter if it’s politically correct because that crap is the root of the problem anyway). GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Thanks to technology that I can watch his lectures. I enjoy listening to people talk about ideas, and he does it in an entertaining way. I had a few professors that would grab my interest but none as much as when I listen to his lectures.
I found this very enlightening. Especially in the end when i talks about conscientious people doing good in stable societies where that pays of and where you can plan for the future. Given the popular stereotype that mexicans/black people/greeks/whoever is supposedly a lazy and nonindustrious bunch, and the fact that certain countries are very unstable, very despotic and corrupt, this all makes perfect sense and is a far better explanation than pointing to group genetic or cultural factors.
@@aFoxyFox. I personally am Greek and I got offended when I saw Joakim's comment. But, not mentioning the fact that he added the word "supposedly", I want to propose something; I have made the notion that there is too much sensitivity arround the topic about racism. Suddenly (ok, of course not suddenly), any sort of comment, despite how strong, is viewed as racist. Perhaps this one was (although when you say that something is "supposedly" like this and you know how words work, you are open to the idea of someone changing your mind), but since I have seen so many things that make me despise the situation that my country created for hard-working young people like me and yes, highly conscientious people (who face this situation through no fault of their own) , I'd say that some mean comments can remind us that we have to work hard (not only Greeks) to gain global respect. Sensitivity to racist comments should not hide the fact that things need to be fixed. Now, if someone generalizes the situation of the country down to its common people, then it means that a lot of educational "checks" where ommited by the those holding this oppinion. Instead of believing in stereotypes that are no more than the facts judged with no depth and rational thinking, learning to address those problems and to figure out tangible solutions should be at everybody's mind, at least for themselves (we live in a competitive world after all). To be short (yeah, now I remember it :p): "don't make unthoughtfull comments cause they hurt and distribute stupidity, but also do not be too sensitive that makes you hide the harsh truth"
It’s about cultivation. If you aren’t willing to accept the responsibility to cultivate, you don’t deserve the ground. Learning to cultivate in harmony with the community is the purpose of life.
I've been blessed with a larger body than average. I've never known physical bullying. I was also gifted with a sharp and slightly silver tongue, so verbal abuse was also ineffective due to me throwing it back in a much more original manner than I received it. I'm lucky, but also strangely disappointed that I've never gotten the opportunity to stand up to someone.
Not trying to show off: I’m a 187 cm tall competitive bodybuilder/model, martial artist and work as a sergeant for the military police. When going out for a party, clubbing or going to the bar I notice that (drunk) males tend to act agressive/jealous/intimidated when they see me or if their girl looks at me. Fact is that I never fought because I shake their hands and buy them a beer whenever they look for a fight. Don’t let your evening be ruined by these clowns and get your ego in check.
9:33 wow. He just literally explained my life and i’ve been trying to figure out what it was for so long. I just get high to be happy and play my computer but when i’m not doing something i feel empty sort of, but i also don’t like doing most things so i’m just all around screwed.
People will test your boundaries and standards, even when it's wrong. There are sick mean people who like to pick on others. They go for what they perceive as easy targets. They think you won't fight back. Usually they're fake, just fronting. But there will be a time you have to take on difficult challenges. 'Battling the dragon'. Learn to defend yourself: physically, verbally, legally, etc. Find different ways to communicate. There are also times you have to deal with toxic or bad crowds. Cut them off and move on. Especially when you feel exhausted. Stop giving them your time and energy. Focus on fixing your own life first.
Oh you’ve probably just only seen his clips from this lecture. You should watch the whole thing, and the rest of the series as it’s a full blown course “The Maps of Meaning” I think. Uhm, I think the details in this video should specify which one it comes from
Might have started running across the fence with the little monsters.. make them play whether they like it or not even when they try to be destructive. Certain people cannot be reformed through reprimand, but the refusal to ignore their behavior is still apparent. 😍
I was really scared because the safety harness did not secure me or come down properly and I almost flew out of the vehicle and had to hold on for dear life, injured myself, and felt very ill and had no fun.
@@aFoxyFox. I have been a loner always. Dysfunctional family. I.have a wonderful imagination with a large amount of creativity. I live in the country have a fire pit fall asleep looking at the stars. I was a plant grower as career an pruning is way zen in the fruit orchard. I just have given myself permission to amuse myself.
@@christinemccoy4471 Yes, are there other particular ways in which you amuse yourself? I'd love to know most or all of them, so then maybe I can do those things also. Do you put your creativity towards any production like creative writing or art?
Today I was encouraged to make a meaningful decision: go back to playing video games until midnight, or sleep early, and wake up at 5, and find work in a facility that I was afraid to go back to (due to an unfair treatment a while ago.).
know this was awhile ago but good on you. Countless little decisions make up who we become. Making one positive decision everyday such as what you did 8 months ago can determine whether you’re a success or not, in whatever your passion is
the carnival is spooky because its unreal and transient like a dream. its intense and plays on sinfulness and taboos like freak shows. Everything about it is flimsy and of the night.
Given the situation and how it played out, I assume the kids as a group, knew no use for a hammer except inflicting pain and breaking things. The leader wasn't trustful so the others wouldn't speak up even if they thought helping to build the fence would be of any fun. Without a reason to help, stealing the hammer and trying to get away with it seemed like the best way to entertain themselves.
When I was young I moved around a lot always having to change schools, sometimes 3 times a year. Due to this I never had a solid friend group but learned to blend in very well despite always being "the new kid". I also am slightly tall (6ft1) but not super skinny I have some meat on me. I consider myself super friendly and open minded but no matter where you go there will always be the bravado types that Jordan was speaking about. Just like he said though if you stand your ground keep eye contact in a calm "if this is what you want" type demeanor, I have never had to fight anyone. Not once, and there have been multiple people that have had the balls to even try to intimidate me. They would pick on the vulnerable people often and I would see them eyeing me up sometimes in their groups. Almost one kid per school would eventually try it with me calling names or try to make a joke about me so I hear it. Do not let that slide. I'd take that as aggression and pick the one with the loudest mouth and ask them what's up with a blank expression. They try to stay cool often looking to their buds for affirmation but no matter what they do just stare and with your eyes send the message that if they make a joke in front of you there is a good chance you will grab/push/initiate something. They might laugh it off and leave feeling like it was mutual or you are a nut job , literally like the movies (what a loser lets get out of here) but they will NOT try that again. Have never been confronted by the same person twice. Cant understate how important sending the message with your eyes is. Always stand up for yourself. I hope this advice helps someone, Love you guys.
I grew up with a friend in high school (still good friends) and hes just like JP's friend. The more I've been around him the more I learned about myself over the years. I've found out from my own research that I am on this spectrum and I feel my good morals and values hold me back from evil. Read Robert Greene's books and The Book of 5 rings. Arm yourself with knowledge and a new perspective. Just cause you live in a good town doesnt mean your free of the Traveling Psychos that JP talks about. God bless you all take care in 2020 and beyond.
Voltaire was hated by the establishment. One day four soldiers came his way on the sidewalk, locking arms forming a human wall. One said "We don't go out of our way for fools." After walking around them, once they had passed he looked back and said: "I do."
if you had a bad childhood and you marry someone who had a better childhood ("if you are not doing very well and you are around someone who is doing well, its very painful b/c the mere fact of their being judges you") the spouse will try to destroy the other person (unequally yolked)
M R well I think that is a bit different. It's what Peterson says, a part of it, but also the idea that these artifacts are idols. It's the appeal of absolutism. God is God. He purges all sins. Therefore I will be His instrument and purge everything that is deemed evil. It really stems from the same ire we have when say, seeing cobwebs and cockroaches lurking about in the kitchen or the cellar, the instinct is to disinfect the whole damn house until it is spotless. The issue is associating that with artifacts
Interesting video that I can validate. When I live in Chicago, two men Of much larger stature than myself, try to pick a fight with me at the train stop around midnight. I pushed back and told him that none of us want to fight. I physically pushed back. Somehow they gain respect for me and we rode the train together all the way to the north side of the city. I was well prepared to throw hands and they knew that.
"part of the reason people want to tear things down is so they have nothing to contrast themselves against and to feel bad.." "..because the fact that it exists, judges them." "Every ideal is a judge" ... *NOW* I finally understand why so many miserable people hate Sargon of Akkad's Liberalist movement. Thank you Professor Peterson!
Sunrise Bedtime , Considering Sargon is a humble gentle person against the destruction of free speech by sjw types, there's not much else to oppose him on unless the people are just psychopaths? .... hmm.
JadeRabbit Futurist As I'm not particularly familiar with Sargon, my main reference point would be the, 'I wouldn't even rape you,' tweet, and the general responses to it. As such, I find what I know of his methods distasteful. I don't hate him, of course, but were I to further research him, finding that he tended towards such actions, I would find it hard to respect him. But my opinions aren't what we are talking about. It's the people who do hate him. And to assume that hatred comes only from one particular direction or cause devalues our ability to discern motive. There are more likely to be reasons as various as there are people who hold the position, and denying that simply diminishes your own ability to investigate the actual issue.
Sunrise, you aren't familiar with the whole other 90% of that story then (and I know NPR has been broadcasting that bit to turn people against Sargon) no, if you were familiar with the person Sargon was responding to, her history and level of viciousness, amorality, and general level of deceit used to spread an agenda, you would understand why Sargon's comments was unusually kind under the circumstance. Of course, Jordan Peterson's response would have been to give none at all, since the person Sargon was dealing with was loudly refusing to listen to anyone who wasn't in full support of her dangerous agenda. But that's Media manipulation for you.
JadeRabbit Futurist Again, my opinion of sargon is irrelevant to my point. In fact, the actual story surrounding sargon is irrelevant to my core point, I only brought it up to highlight an extant reason to dislike/disapprove of him. Assuming people don't like him because they compare themselves unfavorably to whatever ideal you view him as representing is a non-starter. That's where I feel the need to address your views; on the opposition to Sargon or his following, not your views on the man himself, or his supporters.
If one knows the difference between Joy and Happiness, Then finding fulfillment in life and avoiding temptation is far easier than all the effort it takes into those traps! Life is only as complicated as we choose to make it!!
Mike Tyson says that after studying the great warriors and conquers throughout history, he found that most of them were sheep herders and farmers. And then they became great, or they give birth to greatness.
In middle school, I was bullied by everyone, not just the designated bullies. I was spit on, had books dropped on my head, pushed into lockers, pushed around in the gym locker room, picked last for every team, cut in the lunch line, had lunch trays stolen from me, had pencils and binders ripped out of my hands, and was generally treated like trash. I also didn't have a single friend, and I wasn't enrolled in any extracurricular activities. I never fought back, nor did I ever report any of the abuse. Apparently everyone could sense something in me that made them think, "He's an easy target." It wasn't until long after I graduated high school that my family learned of all this, and even then I was hesitant to tell them. This is where much of my current social anxiety and obsessive-compulsiveness comes from. Speaking from experience, I can say with absolute certainty that "not stooping to the bullies' level"-pacifism and nonviolence-do not work. If you (or a young relative) are being bullied in school, you _must_ fight back. You cannot try to ignore the abuse; that just makes it worse. For your mental health's sake, you must fight back. Even if you end up losing the fight, you at least made the statement that you are willing to physically defend yourself.
It is simply immoral not to fight back. If bullies bully with no repercussions then they will continue to do so to others. I am sorry you were bullied.
@@uberhaxonova It depends on the bullying and the person being bullied. Sometimes walking away is much easier and safer. If you are mentally tough enough and able to shrug off abuse i consider it fine.
It is the ignoring that is the issue. Ignoring people (including yourself) is abusive
Only one thing is worse than that and it's asking for help and getting laughed at by the people who should care.
For anyone willing to listen, don’t fight back physically or verbally (heated) with a bully... Ever… unless they get physical and hit you, then by any means defend yourself. Otherwise, fight with your actions and words. Never show resistance, hatred or fear to a bully. Stand tall and use humility, kindness, and self respect. It starves them of the fuel they need from you.
With insults they give to you, what are they gonna do if you smile and say “your so kind, or thanks for the compliment”. What if you just ignored them and kept doing what you’re doing without being bothered. It gives them no power. What will they do If they are treating you like crap and take your money but you start smiling at them and offer them an extra dollar on top?
Never look at yourself as hopeless, defeated and a victim with no way out cause you only really fail yourself. The more you think outside the box like this, you will build courage and see yourself getting bullied as your time to shine. You will become an eagle. Eagles love storms.
And for you christians, open up your bibles and study it cause all the knowledge is already available to you.
"Every ideal is a judge" I like that
I couldn’t agree more, this was the most notable phrase in the video to me.
I hope I can remember that every ideal is a judge. I guess I need to think of a way that it applies to me? Like what are MY ideals?
God is the Anchor of Ideals.
I'd like to hear him go further into ideals. That would be very interesting.
I've been pondering why people put down others, sometimes hitting them like a fly by a baseball bat. The obvious answer is that they are jealous and feel inferior, but this 'Every ideal is a judge' digs a layer deeper.
Apparently I need to watch Pinocchio again.
David I think he was talking about the original
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Perhaps-you can look at that slide again where the kids are burning down the house and tearing up the piano. I counted at least 4 phallic symbols and tehn there's the 3 bare breasted status. ALL Disney movies have the same thing
You would need to find an old uncensored copy. Today's sanitized versions don't include those scenes.
@@latterdayapostle6953
Thankfully, I have it on VCR cassette.
JBP never ceases to amaze me. This guy is just an endless fountain of wisdom. He drops deep truths as casually as a comedian drops one-liners.
Excellent way of putting it.
THIS IS SO TRUE!! I use to be a bouncer and as a result of a traumatic childhood, I cant stand watching people getting bullied and harassed. To hell if I get hurt; I've survived hell. I have never been more selfless and brave when I see someone helpless under the weight of an oppressing bully.
I've mastered the stare down. People think its a game of chicken or who looks meaner. Oh no. That's what gets you punched. Only someone who's never been in a fight acts like that.
What really unnerves people is a calm demeanor of pure acceptance while looking in to their eyes like your looking though them. You cant shake. You cant show any emotion but pure acceptance for what is about to happen.
Eyes un-moving. Unblinking.
Since I discovered this method back in 2002, I haven't had to put my fists to work since.
However, I've noticed that people who are brave enough to throw a fist don't puff a chest and also walk around with that look of acceptance. However, they give off a vibe that begs someone to start something.
My older friend and I got drunk and traded blows. It was fun, he is a gulf war veteran and has PTSD, but the bonding we got from that brought us even closer as friends, more like brothers. I'm aware it's an unhealthy way to get rid of your frustration but everything you said is true. Your acceptance of a throw down with someone during a state down, and being stoic about it intimidates them more to the point they will back down.The foundation of confidence is eye contact, it's the most powerful tool in your arsenal
90% of Security work is standing there looking unimpressed when someone is trying to mean mug you down. You make it clear "the police are already coming, I'm not gonna throw the first punch but I will reciprocate if you do." They're predators, so makes sense that they follow the same general instincts that predators do, to include the fact that they'll always think twice at the prospect that they'll get hurt in the process of them taking a certain action. It's why they seek weaker prey, and just the presence of Security/Bouncers will be enough for the majority of people not to start shit.
"Can I help you?!"
"Possibly, [followup question that challenges whether or not they should even be there]."
And then all of a sudden diplomacy is back on the table.
@David C
You are a great writer!
@@coachdebby564 ty :)
I feel like i understand this eye stare down too, i do it as a test to see whos wprthy of my time and who isnt. Those who have embraced themselves and understood themselves are capable of anything, so long theyre not too impulsivr cause then you lose control that way. I hang around older people and talk to a lot of older people which made me mature past the high school phases people go tbrough. And its sad how many people dont value their lives as much as i do. I want smart mature crazy people to be around me but sadly im stuck with kids trying to go through adolescence and its a bit lonely just being the only kid in school whos kind of awakened in a way. Im being ignorant to the fact that there are smart people in my school but theyre so hard to find i swear.
Machiavelli gets a bad wrap. his aim was to arm and educate the naive and victim prone so they could understand how vicious people can be.
‘The Prince’ by Machiavelli was actually released as an attempt to gain favour with the powerful Medici family. There was no intent to arm the oppressed masses as they were illiterate.
@@eml9147 yeah maybe he also knew that it will be more important in the future.
@@vsatonthebeat4101 yeah possibly, his writings are said to have inspired certain democratic movements during enlightenment. Although its not wise to assume a writer is a 'good guy' just because they were so brilliant at what they did.
Many believe Shakespeare to have been a racist, after all.
SourPls well yeh fair enough, but u get my point
@@eml9147 Nice misrepresentation what what someone else just wrote. He said "educate the naive". He didn't say "arm the illiterate masses".
My dad grew up in the 50s and 60s and said he and his friends from the dojo would go to bars specifically to pick out and take apart the psychos who prey on the weak or kind.
Bug Pepper actually no my father reports that what dr. Peterson says here is largely true. When confronted most Psychopaths will very quickly revert to their own self-interest. Remember their goal is to sadistically beat and humiliate someone who poses no threat. Their goal is not to have their bodies broken by brave men willing to fight back.
My father was born in 1944. Why should he be dead by now, odd fellow?
th-cam.com/video/bCXmSjAWxTU/w-d-xo.html Goto the link, Watch at 3:11.
+ tmcleanful
Not having empathy doesn't equate to being a sadist, brainlet.
Haha look at the people with anti-social personality traits commenting.
His story about standing up to bullies was absolutely true in my case.
When I was 9 or 10 a kid in my was always pestering, challenging and bullying me, saying he'd beat me up, eat me even. He'd follow me home from school, yelling these things at me (from across the street).
So the first time I stood up to this was quit close to home. I turned to him and said: "I'll just drop off my bag and I'll be back."
When I came back, he was gone, much to my surprise. He had invested a lot of time and effort in bullying me and telling me he wanted to fight me, so I was surprised he didn't take this opportunity.
The second time, still relatively close to home, I just put my bag down behind me and said: "Ok, come on then."
Which made him scowl and shut up and walk away. And he never bothered me again.
An other time was in high school. where a guy kept pushing, pushing pushing (verbally) until I finally lashed out in anger (physically). Actually a very non-expert blow to his stomach. I always avoid fights (which is not necessarily a good character trait), so I have zero fighting skill. He never bothered me again either.
These bullies I've encountered are cowards. Perhaps they feel very insecure and have to put down others to feel better themselves.
Standing up to a bully may give you anxiety in that moment, but the reward may be a better life for you.
Disclaimer: I'm sure there are exceptions to this.
If I had a professor like this I would never miss a class.
Amen
Same
"Every ideal is a judge."
A very true statement. Perhaps this is why post-modernism did its best to destroy the ideals and objective values of the arts: because people do not wish to be judged by an ideal, and they wish that something like John Cage's 4'33" could contend with Bach's Mass in B minor or Ravel's Le Tombeau de Couperin."
Maybe it's good that I don't know who John Cage is. There is a classmate on my facebook who agreed to compose a piece for me. He asked me what I was expecting and I suggested a certain classical piece, but he never responded. I thought I had said or done something wrong to warrant his silence until one day, years later, he posted that he was amongst a group of Swedish and Danish composers and he felt inferior to them since he had no background in classical music and only knew what we call 'country music'. Obviously, it took a few years for him to become aware of and confront his feelings of insecurity. I'm not sure if he ever delved deeper into this and learned anything about classical music, but I was able to understand that it was not my fault he never responded to my initial email.
Peterson's depth and breadth of insight is stunning to behold. And that is coupled with his real gifts as a teacher and communicator. I feel fortunate to be able to listen in on these classes. "You can live a responsibility free life, but the price you pay is that it doesn't get to be meaningful". "You can live a meaningful life, but it's only going to be as meaningful as the amount of responsibility that you are willing to bear." Damn.
I trully believe Jordan Peterson is one the best philosophers in today's world.
He is a psychologist... not philosopher??? What the fuck are you talking about????? You are quite dangerouse if you fail to realize the subject of this class. Wtf?!?!?!?! This video was taken as philosophy??? No wonder people hate Jordan B. Peterson. Da save us.
@@happyninjafighter2 He is belligerent in debate, but wants the opposition to be civilized. When they don't play his game he breaks down and acts like he's being picked on. His attitude toward SJW is belligerent, but he thinks he's supposed to be respected, because he believes he's the one who's right! For him to be a psychologist he seems to be a little crazy to me.
@@jamberry8026 when has he said anything against sjws? I remember being in your shoes. Listen to his lectures. He says what he means. If he mispeaks he will say so. He is on both of our "side" he doesnt see sides and he is literally cries during lectures after confrontations because he dislikes conflict so much. Thats why he does what he does. To disarm. And to see people take arm against it... it would hurt me too. I dont agree with everything he believes in necessarily, but he is a good man.
@@happyninjafighter2 Straw man! Go back and read my comment. You're trying to argue something I never even said!
@@happyninjafighter2 philosophy literally means "love of wisdom" and he definitely shows an appreciation for sapience (another word for wisdom/consciousness) and all things related to it so technically by definition he's a philosopher. Psychology is a form of philosophy.
Bullies learn early on 90% of fighting is being willing to throw a punch, even if no punches are actually thrown.
let a man be judged by what he does with what he has...pour all your meaning into your life BUT when it all falls away through no fault of ur own then you must be able to walk on with pure acceptance. THATS the hard one.
I'm defeated and suck on what little pleasure is available.
@@aFoxyFox. You can regrow a good life step by step...all those small steps add up as long as they are in a positive direction and you will find yourself in a better place eventually...just dont give up...
Meaningless platitudes that couldn't ever hope to have any utility outside of garnering its author internet points.
I was bullied in junior high and high school, went through depression in 20s. But i choose to let anger defeat me. Later 20s i realized anger can boost you up or bring you down. Later i chose for anger to kick my ass and motivate me. Anger is a choice. A choice to fall or rise.
@M Z how you doin?
I just walked away from the bulliez told them they were standing in front a church mocking me to take a look around
Anger is a super power generated by that infamous burst of adrenaline. The trick is to discharge that energy somewhere useful on the correct side of the law.
I am so glad I found this man. I am addicted to his videos. It's as if I can feel my brain growing as I watch him. How fortunate are we to have the opportunity to access this kind of information instead of relying on the alphabet networks to entertain our minds with drivel.
Preach
He is AMAZING, isn't he? I stumbled upon him and am obsessed with his videos...he is off-the-charts brilliant.
gardener are you sure the feeling of growth isn't a tumour
I have a bunch of his lectures from Uoft. He's brilliant and delivers well.
gardener Neither you nor anyone else is addicted to any video. Look up the word.
Bully's don't like to pick on people that can hurt them back
When you're 6'7", everybody becomes a friend.
Lmao
I know right, easy to get someone to back down when you tower over them
Till someone double leg takedown you
Even Joe Pesci?
Pretty much i'm 6'7 and for most of my life of a slight build but didn't have much of a problem with bullies. But then once i worked out and learned how to fight the problem went to zero. I guess that shallow mechanism that bullies work on is put off by size and confidence. Incedentally i never ever started any trouble.
WOW!!! JUST DANG WOW!!!!!! The way Jordan Peterson is able to explain concepts and give examples of these concepts not only visually but with relatable life experiences that many can connect to is beyond phenomenal, Thank God we are able to watch some of these lectures FOR FREE on youtube. It really blows my mind. I also love the fact or how incorporates all aspects of all theories and explains how all of them can work together, creating our sense of reality.
I empathise with the 1st story so much.. So many people have asked me "do you want a fight?" in an attempt to start a fight.. My answer is always "yes" (as I know its an intimidation tactic) and no fight ever takes place as they back down.
The point about amusement parks was really interesting. I wrote a poem about my life with Cluster Bs and all the metaphors were rollercoasters, halls of mirrors, tunnels of love, funhouse lights and overall the scary, horrifying, disorienting, experience of "excitement" that I got programmed to pursue and which led me into so many relationships with PDs even after I left my family of origin. Nail on head!
Exactly, you have good insight there. Many people have done the same as what you just described.
What are all the signs and warning signs and traits in detail please? Are you personally done making the mistakes and are now able to spot the clues and hints? Please tell me all, even if it seems weird or wrong like ethnic background ir hair color/style or clothing choices. Thankfully you!
Diana Trimble that’s very fascinating
Tell me about the clowns
Will you share your poem ?
I was getting bullied for having homemade clothes one time. And I listened to things she was saying, and then I realized, "she's kinda stupid!" That was an amazing moment. I still felt bad because I didn't have confidence, but I had one little thing that helped me from being bullied anymore by her.
That’s how I felt about a work bully too. She too was incredibly stupid
I thought I had it bad.
My mom dressed us with clothes from Zeller’s or the Bi-Way.
I didn’t know thrift stores existed, I would’ve happily shopped there instead.
No complaints though.
Clothes were certainly not what really needed attending to.
You have to have the self esteem to critique the other person . I remember when I was bullied I was so low that I criticised myself to oblivion.
@@ianway2725 I had that one little crumb that got me through. I have an insight to offer, from Barbara Sher. She said something like, "self-recrimination is something people do to feel like they had more power than they really did." If that makes sense. How did you survive, I. W.?
Also known as "consider the source", a few people tried to pull this on me as well. But i instinctively asked myself "what makes them better or more knowledgeable than myself?" Honest answer~ nothing. Many are smarter or more savvy than i am, but if they are then they usually won't belittle you.
Smaller minds reach UP to strike at a feared person.
And they aren't worth your time. Study people & save yourself some grief. 😎
11:11 It might be that the sense of meaning that life can provide you is proportionate to the amount of responsibility you decide to take on...
ZiglerZ lol I just watched from that time marker like 8 times and sent this video to people recommending watching from 11:11.. then scrolled down and saw this comment.
Yeaaah and I was looking for this timemark, when I scrolled down to comment section :O
Just remember that taking on 'responsibility' without understanding what you are doing is actually irresponsible. Before anything else it's your primary responsibility is to choose for yourself what you want to do with your life. If you look at responsibility in the right way it's the same thing as the pursuit of freedom.
Zigl
it's about enjoying everyday life on your terms, whatever those may be.
I can legit feel the calmness if that room I just want to close my eyes and take notes and be a student again I miss the calmness if being in a classroom and honestly this guy knows what he's talking about I should know
Those last few minutes re: choosing between nihilism and meaning was the real gold nugget.
You need to have taken a hit from a bully in your life to understand that violence can be used for good and bad.
One of the best days of my life was the day I stood up to a bully, it paved out exactly who i became later on in life.
When my son is old enough one of the first things he will learn from me is how to throw a punch, that's the easy part, it's teaching them how not to throw a punch - that's the trick.
Sometimes it makes you more empathic since you don't want anyone to feel the pain you felt.
Bob Dylan said it too.... in 1964 Chimes of Freedom... Warriors, whose strength is not to fight ... beautifully stated.
Far between sundown’s finish an’ midnight’s broken toll
We ducked inside the doorway, thunder crashing
As majestic bells of bolts struck shadows in the sounds
Seeming to be the chimes of freedom flashing
Flashing for the warriors whose strength is not to fight
Flashing for the refugees on the unarmed road of flight
An’ for each an’ ev’ry underdog soldier in the night
An’ we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing
I went to middle school then high school with a gril who was always bullied. One morning I was heading to my first class. Trying to get my mind right after watching my divorcing parents fight all morning. I see the shy girl walking further down the hall in front of me being pushed and shoved into the lockers. She never looked up, never fought back. As I approach something snapped in me. I started grabbing kids and slamming them into lockers screaming "How do you like it." I was in a rage until I wasn't. Picked up my stuff and went to class. She was in the class. She sat next to me. In fact she was in EVERY CLASS of mine. I never realized it. We've been friends for 30 years and going now.
satan be damned to hell! Excellent story! Make way for the workers of LIGHT, it's OUR time now.
"Stupid amusements" AKA: getting drunk/high every day, porn, and mindless tv. These are just a few that immediately come to mind.
Key word: everyday. It's okay to indulge every once in a while. In fact, it's healthy. But don't make these things the primary/fundamental purpose of your life.
What is stupid about those exactly if one perceives they are going to die in a meaningless world?
@@X64813 Why not though?
A Foxy Fox the world is only meaningless if you decide to live a life devoid of purposeless. Nihilism is a brutal existence. Don’t subject yourself to it. Find your meaning and devote yourself to it, if it is good.
What's interesting about Nihilism is that it doesn't matter that nothing matters, or not.
So you are free.
So you might as well make something matter regardless, for the benefits it can bring to you.
Hedonism is my go to when I find myself powerless to make positive strides towards meaningful goals.
Not all of us can be a jordan Peterson.
When you listen to Dr. Peterson. You're in a open clase. And you just keep learning...it all fits together.
Back in High School this guy purposefully bumped into me in the hallway. Then he says, "What'd you do that for?" I knew his type, he was looking for weakness. He was expecting me to go, "Uh uh uh, oh my bad man." Instead I said, "Because I'm an asshole."
He laughed, and we became sort of acquaintances. Never had any trouble from him again.
I think you can learn why the world is the way it is by studying the interactions of middle/high school students.
Yeah well people do test you but you have to be careful not to actually become friends with and accepted by assholes just to avoid them picking on you too. That is another way they get you to submit to them by becoming one of them. I was picked on a bit but I was scrappy and willing to be crazy if it scared them off but usually did not want their friendship even if I dominated the confrontation and they accepted me. I don't like people who thrive off drama like that.
I was kind of beefy in the nineties. But I didn't want to fight. I wasn't scared of people taller or mor muscular than me. So when I was threatened I made friends with those who threatened me. Obviously not deep friendship, but we respected each other.
That's really lame
why would you make friends with some asshole
Brilliant and insightful about the Human condition in the 21st Century.
The ones we often lie to the most are ourselves.
Jordan is true medicine to our broken souls
I went 60k into student debt to learn about pinnochio. worth it.
right the ultimate psychopath
this Man is genuinely genius. hats off
I agree.
"So what you're saying is you murdered several children in Montreal and repaired your fence with their sun-bleached bones."
You have to sun-bleach the bones?Wish someone told me this before I redid the porch.
😂😂😂😂
He didn’t even bother using gender neutral pronouns while luring his victims, either!
Professor Seventy-Five : Moreover, I know he had left overs for a leather covered couch
yes
"And then sat in your newly fenced in yard drinking from the skulls your enemies"
He blew my mind at the very end when he said: "If people would chose a pointless life there would be pointless amusements put at their disposition" Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat etc.
There is nothing I hate more than bullies. The best advice I can give is this: nobody likes getting punched in the face, not even bullies. I got my ass kicked quite a few times and of course it hurt but I never got in a fight with the same guy twice. Once they know that if they mess with you they will get hit back they stop, even if they are the ones who “win” in the end
No they don't, you've just never dealt with any serious bullies. I've shot and stabbed people who harassed me for years, and they just keep coming back harassing you and bragging about how "strong" they are. They don't stop until they're dead--which is exactly what they want, so they can die hoping that you go to prison.
I'm Canadian, I live in the Land of the Ultimate Degenerate.
Im 5'7 and have always had the heart of lion fighting for the light and this is so true. watching the ego and confidence quickly diminish out of these weak heart predators is priceless. Have love in your heart and you will never be defeated. Lots of love to Everyone, Keep strong in these tough times.
❤️
9:55 he describes my stepfather perfectly. Everyone in my family gives him shit because he can never sit down and watch a movie with us, but I've always admired him for it because he's incredibly productive and very good at focusing on problems and solving them.
He probably doesn't use the Internet much, either. People with active minds have better things to do.
I am a bully, not only was I violent physically I was more brutal verbally and found that I could do more harm when emotionally and mentally breaking people. It took me seeing my own behaviour in my son to realise the damage I did. I have also spent the last 4 years to fix my own behaviour so that I can teach my son a better more considerate way. In many ways I fail daily. I just hope that my actions now can spare my son the difficulty I experience daily.
Johan Wilsenach .. nah, I hope your son has to experience the pain you inflicted on people. He’ll grow up and get over it
@@TheEthalon if there is anyone that should experience that, it should be me. I don's know if he will be strong enough to overcome that.
The difference is that i have the clarity of hind sight. Even though I lack empathy for those I damaged, I have the intellect to identify my behaviours and the ability attempt to fix it. I own what I did and do.
But this is a much longer conversation.
@Monzo Lena i dont need empathy when dealling with people such as yourself. I dont have empathy and i cannot help that. But i work hard every day to ensure my kids are raised well without my short commings. I can appreciate that you might have had deallings with someone like me. Maybe even worse than me but i can honestly say that my actions are making my childrens lives better. They can see others pain. They have empathy and the cycle stopped with me.
You are right that i dont understand the damage i did. I dont care to live in the past. But i work really hard to not damage more snowflakes in my every day actions. Trust me its hard but my motivation is admiral.
I would recommend that you dont pretend to be a keyboard warior and rather contribute positively.
Should you be brave enough to understand a persons actions, ask.
I do not wish a person like me on anyone. I can also not appologise for what happened to you or someone you know because i would not mean it but i can give you pointers on how to deal with idiots like me with little effort.
@Dread Man you might be right. We will never know. One thing is certain. Most people reading this posts do not read so well. My initial response was one of identifying as a dumb idiot and how i am working my way to fix that behaviour in my son.
But i have dealt with a few people such as yourself with the robin hood mentality. Sure i had my ass handed to me that day. But i got my own back.
Thanks for the reply though.
@@JohanWilsenach Don't be too harsh on yourself, the fact that you identify it in your son and intentionally want him to be better means something - nobody can force themselves to feel emotions, but anyone can lie about what they 'feel', including empathy - I find your honestly refreshing in that regard...maybe you're a better person than you give yourself credit for.
To the first person who commented - The Ethalon - why would you wish punishment for a fathers past deeds to be inflicted on their son? Are kids responsible for the shit their parents did, now? You think making a comment like that makes you better than Johan? At least he acknowledges what he is and has done, wanting better for his kids seems pretty righteous to me - nobody is beyond redemption...
And nobody deserves to pay for their fathers' bad deeds, it'd be more pertinent for you to wish the opposite, that his son becomes a better man - the fact that you actively wish harm on someone you don't even know based on an honest reflection/confession doesn't make you a good person.
Truth is nobody is 100% good, Johan isn't the exception when it comes to bad behaviour, he's the exception when it comes to being honest about the things he's done.
These are the classes I will attend during quarantine
" i am the son of a shepherd ed boi " now i know why ralph was so bad ass
Ayoo_iivan 10 hahahahhaa.... this is the best of the comments section. you win sir
*AWOOOO*
Jordan Peterson and Ed Edd n Eddy references. This is my favorite thread
Sean Sheperd is that you ?
It is the hat of discipline. Do you live in a cave?
[ Dark Triad: narcissism, psychopathology, Macheavellianism ] When their unconscionable behavior is met by an ethical awareness, it isn't (or doesn't always have to be) simply a matter of agreeableness or comfrontation.Most people claim to be a 'regular' or 'real person' and typify, determine and project reality based on the apparent solidity of their 'definitions and recognitions'. Ethical awareness is much more dynamic. There's 'a third alternative' that transcends the dualistic notion of rationality and irrationality. The better aspects of situational ethics depends on this. Dealing effectively with things as they are is more sublte and often quite revealing without preemptively ruling out any particular response. Mr Peterson maintained that reality is somewhere between a subjective and objective perspective.
@@snackler6102 There is an irony involved. While our sense of responsibility 'carries the weight', there is tremendous freedom, in truth, a wonderous joy involved and experienced while living in the immediate happenstance of 'things as they are'. Observe a father playing catch with his child after just receiving the praise of his boss and peers. His situation seems to offer the feeling that life is a smooth sail. The same ball and child may also be with his father who is concerned about the likely hardships of having just lost his job. The latter senario would have this loving parent preoccupied and distant. But the weight and lightness of being -- through a mindful, selfless rapport with life -- allows for faith's greatest irony: What appears to seem like a good or bad circumstance contains its own opposite. On Monday, that boss and business was rocked by a scandal; the new job and the necessary adjustments saved a marriage and helped cultivated a loving family. Don't be afraid. It takes courage to allow for All This -- the perpetual arising -- to simply be while co-creating 'just so'. The secret is quite obvious: even the best of thoughts offer but an accurate road sign "Live amidst this spaciousness; sincerity and silence are as natural a mother's touch. Welcome to 'things as they are'.
"Freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose..." Janice Joplin
Kris Kristofferson. I'm with you, but credit where credit is due. Songwriter before singer.
(A variation of this line appears in MONSTROUS: The Autobiography of a Serial Killer but for the Grace of God)
@@monstrousbytommywalker3700 how's the book?
@@chaosdwellerMONSTROUS is my favorite book, but as its author I'm kinda biased.
Kris Kristofferson
@@monstrousbytommywalker3700 And you should be biased.
"We live in our imaginations desiring to fulfill our phantasies" me
Anyone else notice how eerily applicable this segment is to the current riots ?
If you didn't, you're absolutely hopeless.
Nice catch bro it came to my mind as well
And to the Jan 6 2021 riot.
I was immersed into systemic cultural and institutionalized bullying/bigotry when I had moved to the Midwest, as a child. As an adult, I find the same systemic cultural and institutionalized bullying/bigotry from all races, creeds, religions, employers, and states (in USA). It's like being surrounded by spoiled, entitled, megalomaniac toddlers. To quote Tevye from "Fiddler on the Roof," "As the Good Book says, 'Heal us, O Lord, and we shall be healed.' In other words, send us the cure. We've got the sickness already."
I want to peruse psychology because of this guy.
Lima Romeo pursue
Aswin Kailas that’s what I meant but I didn’t care enough to change it or delete it
Lima Romeo sort yourself out then bucko
@@limaromeo8745 thats because youre not very conscientious which predicts you wont have long term success in life. sucks to suck
You said nothing wrong. I don't want to pursue it, but I'd agree that this guy gives me motivation to peruse psychology as well. ;)
I was a big uncoordinated kid with no self-esteem and no dad. All through school I was bullied and taken advantage of. When I was 19 I went to work in concrete construction. After the first year, I was an absolute monster with muscle and strength. I was never bullied again and never had a fight with anyone. I stayed in the industry until retirement and am thankful for the strength and confidence it gave me to persevere.
I think the setting of amusement parks are much more simple. Its a place where you are supposed to be happy, so the dysphoria of such place becoming the source of your fear really rubs people in an uncomfortable way, since suddenly you are supposed to be scared of joy.
Or it's a metaphor for the dark side of joyous things, how there has to be some dark side for you to enjoy a certain thing. I don't know, this seems simpler but maybe it's to simple.
@Robert Cook what are the warning signs you are dealing with a psycho?
@Robert Cook Killer babies! Yeah, I don't think I've met one of these people for real. Only online some people who seemed really obsessive and crazy almost ridiculous egomaniacs devoted to absurd things like counting money to insult stranger and not as a joke? It seemed like narcissism or something wacky anyway, also the weird way some people were writing. I think the weird people I've encountered were at least genuinely mental cases but I doubt I've met any real dangerous killer type person. One guy in Europe seemed to have very weird traits and was extremely petty and vengeful and vowing vengeance constantly and trying to carry it out and doing a number of crazy things but that could be something else too. I am very glad if dangerous crazy people or psychopaths are very uncommon and rare to encounter. I definitely doubt the amount of people coming out claiming they knew psychopaths or even claiming they were diagnosed as such, I think those people encountered annoying people they don't like and the other bunch feels empowered by being associated with something they think is cool or scary or something probably.
Oh maybe I did meet one possible, probably sociopath or something vagabond who sort of mugged me on my wedding day and whispered blessings into my ear lol just that he was so obnoxiously scary and forceful about forcing me to give him 30 dollars to the point of following me into a restaurant to get it.
@Robert Cook Were you maybe dealing with females who have borderline personality disorder? They sometimes really traumatize people and are on the range of personality disorders along with others like narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths. Often they make themselves appear very attractive or maybe a bit eccentric with brightly colored hair and fashions and lots of make up and have track records of numerous boyfriends and breakups and seem very nice maybe initially but go completely nuts any second over anything so I person is left confused and afraid and fighting and feeling like anything could trigger an insane outburst or offense or tantrum. Then there are these people who I'm not sure if they are narcissists or what but they seem to have no consideration ir feelings for anyone and love flaunt wealth or prestige almost to an embarassing level and are totally petty and vengeful. Then I've talked to Bi polar people who go into very strange loopy seeming stream of thought dialogue or become extremely sexual or excited during a manic phase or again getting very serious about stuff which sounds completely crazy to anyone else hearing it, like one male with bi-polar or manic depression was screaming about nuclear ducks during an episode. In the case of possible sociopaths, I'd imagine a lot of criminal offenders or people who hurt people or rob and steal and stuff might have that so I've seen some people who seem like criminal types or are nasty or scary but often they seem to also be drug users or really make themselves pretty obvious by acting out in public or dressing in ways and moving in ways that make them seem like they want to get in trouble or pick fights. As for possible psychopaths, online mainly I've witnessed people who basically do all sorts of terrible things sort of without a second thought, like manipulating and abusing young girls or blackmailing them just for the heck of it ir for kicks, they sound a bit crazy at least, others talk about callously killing ir torturing or mutilating animals if not performing very nasty sorts of unecessarily extreme vengeance, so those might be or probably were psychos of some sort, others who claimed to be diagnosed had very dull senses and needed or sought out very extreme ir violent thrills or risks to "feel something" or anything. Depressed people I've talked to sound like most things are hopeless and sort of look numb or pale and their eyes deadened and talk about suicide a lot. Schizophrenics I've talked to are often saying increasingly weird or crazy things, and paranoid schizophrenics seem to go nuts or ramble incessantly about very wacky and absurd sounding crazy things too but are often somehow including being tormented by some sort of persecuting force or agent. Chauvinists I've talked to seem to go out of their way to instigate trouble with women, maybe those are misogynists. Luckily the vast majority of people I've encountered are mostly relatable and friendly and have normal reactions to things and are pretty calm in public. There was one Aspergers kid who kept asking me some question that made no sense, which was like something about scorpions and the Prince of England and the mafia, but for him this question was perfectly sensible and when asked to repeat it he repeated it in exactly the same way as the original way they asked down to the intonation and speed so it all appeared very odd. Sometimes, especially when seeing too many comments online or watching people interact outside I feel like too many people are pretty uncivil and awkward as well as inconsiderate. Most of the people I see out acting obnoxiously are teenagers though.
@Robert Cook Yeah, maybe even people saying stuff like that can in some cases be a subtle clue. I'm basically pretty freaked out by people who make a big show of themselves and I find one other clue can be a person who reports basically an endless stream of fights, conflicts, breakups, extreme circumstances in their past, dramas galore. There is one girl I saw who seemed to have all these traits and one after another she had a chain of intense and immediate relationships then talks about how the guys were abusive or crazy every time, but after about the 10th story like that, one might wonder what the heck is wrong with the person telling the stories or how they keep making the same mistakes without caution and what is being underplayed in their re-telling of the stories. What is most disturbing is the very public bad mouthing of the people they have dealt with, practically all of them, and the sheer amount if endless chaos and controversies they report being entangled with. Then in a second they are back at it again wearing barely anything and tons of make up with a new extreme and often unnatural hair color and hunting their next target. In some online discussions on TH-cam where psychologists discuss Borderline Personality Disorder they have stated the people who have it often don't have much of a clear sense of identity or personal character and almost seem to have multiple characters or personas as sort of masks. It could even be why they make themselves look so easy to notice, like they really want their character to be blatantly made up of surface qualities which are extremely distinct and may cover their damaged original looks which they might have grown to resent or avoid because of the traumas you accurately described as being endlessly projected and re-lived. I think the Borderline Personality people are much more common than the psychopaths and even the sociopaths, and ultimately probably psychologically damage and traumatize many more victims than the others who may be rarely encountered or not interacted with much in a hostile way. I think that Borderline Personality people are also pretty aggressive in pursuing people, so end up just targeting someone and being very overt and not wasting much time, initiating intimacy or sexual contact or getting people very involved quickly like in a rush, and within no time starting to argue, accuse, shout, fight, lie. I think many people may deal with milder forms of this in general but it becomes very crazy when its a full fledged borderline looney tune. Getting out of it can be pretty difficult seeming because of the insane drama and even threats and acts of vengeance and all sorts of lunatic stuff. Ugh, I shudder to even think about it and the things I've even witnessed. If someone does manage to very much avoid these people they are extremely lucky. If a girl comes along and looks like a cartoon barbie beauty or something and takes her clothes off in one second and is very aggressive about getting involved in a very rushed sexual relationship, people might be wise to run for the hills, and their male counterpart versions who have borderline personality disorder are basically the same, putting a lot into their weird artificial looks, having a chain of dramas where they are constantly unable to maintain peace or peaceful contact with others, quickly pursuing extreme interactions and having wild outbursts or tantrums suddenly and frequently without explanation or doing sabotaging or troublemaking things to instigate conflict or controversy. I think of all the mental problems this one being as frequent as it is is one of the most unpleasant and though there are some reports of cognitive therapies working to some degree with some patients or clients, it appears there is no real cure, just like the related problem of psychopathy. It seems also to me that crazy people come out of the woodworks online mostly or often gravitate to large population areas in real life, but it could just be one finds more in densely populated areas because of more likelihood of finding all sorts of people, except the high drama of lots of people and events around may be providing them with what they end up seeking out or pursuing. What gave me the idea about densely populated areas also was how some people with apparent mental issues of certain types appear to have options to go elsewhere but seem to frequently be just wandering around in the city doing who knows what, even when it has no apparent economic value for them or other incentives. So I think normal sane people may have qualities that are pretty mild or common, they have rather predictable emotions and reactions (which is a good thing), they don't try for much attention or really feel the need to be extremely vocal about anything. They follow in a rather casual manner a general sequence of life events at a roughly normal range of times or similar options, often having few sexual relationships if any and getting married in their late twenties or early thirties these days, it may have been earlier more commonly in the past but still happens possibly a little earlier in religious communities with more conservative or older standards for longer. It may be a bit silly, but people may be able to sort of judge books by their covers, including how they choose to present themselves and be viewed, their apparent strategies, their critic reviews and past history or track record without ever really getting into the book itself very deeply. Its probably safe to assume the worst for ones own sake even and unlikely to be some private personal treasure that others found unbearable to deal with. Its unfortunate though, because some of these people make themselves absolute masters of image and image control to lure in their victims or make it easy for them to replay their ghost stories for all eternity.
@Robert Cook Totally, great points you brought up, especially the control thing and yeah the looneys are filled in the "social justice" movements as they find more opportunities where they can pick fights and try to yell people into submission more often when taking up sone cause. Haha the green hair with tits hanging out thing was pretty funny as well. All the red flags can be helpful for people who feel its better to be safe than sorry. What I like least about all this is that even in the last 10 years it seems to have become more difficult to get in touch with normal people in practically any context, since most people have apparently moved online and the internet seems flooded by very vocal and intimidating bunches of crazies that the more mild people seem utterly drowned out or hard to find. Yeah, some rather normal and decent people can get caught up in repeatedly getting involved with various sorts of nasty or predatory people who try to take advantage of them or treat them abusively, and in those cases it seems to often happen with people who are the kind who might give people the time of day or benefit of the doubt or end up caring and being of a more giving and self-less nature, which ends up being a perfect prime target for a life-sucking jerk who finds a punching bag. Basically anyone who has been able to have a long successful relationship with a borderline person is basically just fully controlled, silent, obedient to their wacky whims, as any opposition is met with disproportionate violence or extreme tantrums and drama. I think its basically hell though and no tits worth it. Faces on the other hand, lol but even those pretty faces get contorted into the stuff of nightmares while they are yelling or bawling or whatever. Ugh, one of the worst nuts I ever saw was this little girl throwing the most senseless, insane, evil tantrum for no apparent reason in order to terrorize her mother. I thought that little psycho is going to grow up to destroy a lot of minds.
I had a bullied past, and violence seems to be my obvious exit. Fighting back was my best release.
Me too bro, my family was attacked by a bunch of drunk assholes.
Matt Downer if someone fucks with you giving them a taste of their own actions seems to be the only thing that works
Inner peace is so much better.
@@aquariusvibe7851 Agree. And you should never ever fight anyone unless you have something to gain from it. Fistfights and what not is the most stupid shit you can do as you only harm yourself and others. You have to think about the long-term game and choose your fights wisely. And it should always be done strategically, pragmatically and politcally. That's how you really win in life.
If you're antisocial become a chef!! Saved my life
elaborate?
@@notvladamir4082 yes
It is remarkable how this should be a truism. I've worked a decade and half in the food service industry and have seen this played out dozens and dozens of times. There is something about the focus of the culinary arts that appeals to those whose antisocial behavior has been cultivated by the absence of a truly creative outlet in their early lives.
If there ever was proof of God, it's the human concept of cuisine.
Reminds me of the scene in Donnie Darko, when they discuss destruction...because they want to see what happens.
I used to be exactly the same - I really was not bothered about seeing the world burn. I wanted to see exactly what would happen and I’d be there just to observe and be on neither side.
What the hell I don’t remember any of this from Pinocchio
I was too young to get the messages when I saw them.
I love this man, I wish I had him as an Instructor when I was in College!
Good thing you can watch tons of material for free on TH-cam anytime!
I don't think you are only conscientious if you feel you need to be doing something all the time. Work is a means to an end. you are conscientious so you know you need to work to support yourself or your family and to provide you with the resources to finance the things you do in your spare time, i.e. hobbies. I believe I am defined more by my hobbies than by my job. If you do for a living what you would do in your spare time you are lucky. 5% have a vocation, 95% have a job;)
I remember a long time ago that if you ask an American what they do, they'll respond with their job -- welder, bank clerk; but if you ask a European what they do, they'll respond with their hobby -- rock climber, artist. As cultures get warped, this may no longer be true, but it's interesting to contemplate what this says about their world view.
@Buster Foyt Doing your hobbies as your job can be a huge mistake. I think jobs are meant to be kept for about 2-3 years before you move on to something else, otherwise total burnout is inevitable, and I've seen it happen with every single professional artist and musician.
Remember that Jordan Peterson himself had to be put on a cocktail of antidepressants to even begin to cope with daily life. That says something IMO.
I've never backed down from a bully, and I was bullied bad as a kid. Every bully regretted screwing with me.
conscientiousness requires constant sacrifice
Mhmmmm....
Is it worth it?
@@aFoxyFox. If the things you sacrifice plus the time you sacrifice result in much greater things and more useful time going forward than you're damn right
@@m_js5709 hmm. I guess so, its just a bit hard for me to imagine a good or realistic example of that which doesn't involve risk and luck and other factors. Often I think of people who spend their whole lives working dilligently or making sacrifices to retire at an old age all decayed having ultimately or apparently miscalculated and spent all their youth and strength aimlessly to achieve some sort of status or level of wealth they were barely able to use or enjoy.
@@m_js5709 "conscientiousness" is even more vague though than basic calculations of pros and cons of things rated or judged for the sense of value or pleasure they give us.
I live in a bad neighborhood which is made out of nothing but back alleys, I feel happy to know Jordan Peterson, somebody I look up to came from a humble place if he could get out I can get out
I’m gonna respectfully give Dr Peterson some really good advice about this subject because for whatever reason I decided to handle these types of situations(to this day) this way:
- when bullied or when witnessing bullying you have to temporarily use your fear for sympathetic system energy and convince yourself that you are facing evil-so you must mimic that evil with courage-but in extremely higher levels. Don’t take shit from ANYONE and don’t let others start shit with Anyone Else. The outcome will be just for all mankind-no matter what the outcome. We all still live in daily battles just like our ancestors did and real men still exist but they just need to experience that first confrontation where they decide to charge ahead instead of retreat and be a total disappointment to themselves. The world would change significantly in a matter of days if the bullies realized they are not the only people that can fight and that dose of reality will make mature men out of misguided boys(and it doesn’t matter if it’s politically correct because that crap is the root of the problem anyway). GOD BLESS AMERICA!
In Jesus name amen 💖
I came from montreal and perfectly can make the image in my head when you describe this
Thanks to technology that I can watch his lectures. I enjoy listening to people talk about ideas, and he does it in an entertaining way. I had a few professors that would grab my interest but none as much as when I listen to his lectures.
I found this very enlightening. Especially in the end when i talks about conscientious people doing good in stable societies where that pays of and where you can plan for the future. Given the popular stereotype that mexicans/black people/greeks/whoever is supposedly a lazy and nonindustrious bunch, and the fact that certain countries are very unstable, very despotic and corrupt, this all makes perfect sense and is a far better explanation than pointing to group genetic or cultural factors.
Did he literally say racist sh*t like that or is it just you two?
@@aFoxyFox. I personally am Greek and I got offended when I saw Joakim's comment. But, not mentioning the fact that he added the word "supposedly", I want to propose something; I have made the notion that there is too much sensitivity arround the topic about racism. Suddenly (ok, of course not suddenly), any sort of comment, despite how strong, is viewed as racist. Perhaps this one was (although when you say that something is "supposedly" like this and you know how words work, you are open to the idea of someone changing your mind), but since I have seen so many things that make me despise the situation that my country created for hard-working young people like me and yes, highly conscientious people (who face this situation through no fault of their own) , I'd say that some mean comments can remind us that we have to work hard (not only Greeks) to gain global respect. Sensitivity to racist comments should not hide the fact that things need to be fixed.
Now, if someone generalizes the situation of the country down to its common people, then it means that a lot of educational "checks" where ommited by the those holding this oppinion. Instead of believing in stereotypes that are no more than the facts judged with no depth and rational thinking, learning to address those problems and to figure out tangible solutions should be at everybody's mind, at least for themselves (we live in a competitive world after all).
To be short (yeah, now I remember it :p): "don't make unthoughtfull comments cause they hurt and distribute stupidity, but also do not be too sensitive that makes you hide the harsh truth"
It’s about cultivation. If you aren’t willing to accept the responsibility to cultivate, you don’t deserve the ground. Learning to cultivate in harmony with the community is the purpose of life.
I've been blessed with a larger body than average. I've never known physical bullying.
I was also gifted with a sharp and slightly silver tongue, so verbal abuse was also ineffective due to me throwing it back in a much more original manner than I received it.
I'm lucky, but also strangely disappointed that I've never gotten the opportunity to stand up to someone.
"Every ideal is a judge."
Not trying to show off: I’m a 187 cm tall competitive bodybuilder/model, martial artist and work as a sergeant for the military police. When going out for a party, clubbing or going to the bar I notice that (drunk) males tend to act agressive/jealous/intimidated when they see me or if their girl looks at me. Fact is that I never fought because I shake their hands and buy them a beer whenever they look for a fight. Don’t let your evening be ruined by these clowns and get your ego in check.
Dyou buy the girl a drink too?
@@julietcrowson3503 if he’s a cuckold 😂
9:33 wow. He just literally explained my life and i’ve been trying to figure out what it was for so long. I just get high to be happy and play my computer but when i’m not doing something i feel empty sort of, but i also don’t like doing most things so i’m just all around screwed.
People will test your boundaries and standards, even when it's wrong. There are sick mean people who like to pick on others. They go for what they perceive as easy targets. They think you won't fight back. Usually they're fake, just fronting. But there will be a time you have to take on difficult challenges. 'Battling the dragon'. Learn to defend yourself: physically, verbally, legally, etc. Find different ways to communicate. There are also times you have to deal with toxic or bad crowds. Cut them off and move on. Especially when you feel exhausted. Stop giving them your time and energy. Focus on fixing your own life first.
This dude's obsessed with Pinocchio
I guess Freud would thay it is because of the growing phallus in pinocchios face :D
I think Freud would say your obsessed with phallus, since you think others are obsessed with phallus.
damn it
Im pretty obsessed with mine
Oh you’ve probably just only seen his clips from this lecture. You should watch the whole thing, and the rest of the series as it’s a full blown course “The Maps of Meaning” I think. Uhm, I think the details in this video should specify which one it comes from
Wow, I didn´t realize until this video that ANTIFA was described this perfectly in PINOCCHIO!
And BLM
cell phones are amusement parks
They’re what you make them... learn with it
Might have started running across the fence with the little monsters.. make them play whether they like it or not even when they try to be destructive. Certain people cannot be reformed through reprimand, but the refusal to ignore their behavior is still apparent. 😍
Just learned more about Michaelangelo's David than I ever have in art class. Thanks JP
Thanks for taking the time to edit and compile this. Very helpful.
thank you
Amusement parks help us to temporarily forget about the ongoing torment of existence weighed against the horror of nonbeing.
I was really scared because the safety harness did not secure me or come down properly and I almost flew out of the vehicle and had to hold on for dear life, injured myself, and felt very ill and had no fun.
Well said. I look to amuse myself dayly
@@christinemccoy4471 how do you achieve this usually/regularly?
@@aFoxyFox. I have been a loner always. Dysfunctional family. I.have a wonderful imagination with a large amount of creativity. I live in the country have a fire pit fall asleep looking at the stars. I was a plant grower as career an pruning is way zen in the fruit orchard. I just have given myself permission to amuse myself.
@@christinemccoy4471 Yes, are there other particular ways in which you amuse yourself? I'd love to know most or all of them, so then maybe I can do those things also. Do you put your creativity towards any production like creative writing or art?
Today I was encouraged to make a meaningful decision: go back to playing video games until midnight, or sleep early, and wake up at 5, and find work in a facility that I was afraid to go back to (due to an unfair treatment a while ago.).
Did you do it?
know this was awhile ago but good on you. Countless little decisions make up who we become. Making one positive decision everyday such as what you did 8 months ago can determine whether you’re a success or not, in whatever your passion is
Jesus whenever Dr. Peterson speaks on antisociality I fee he is talking directly to me.
There's a fourth leg called adam sandlerism where you achieve positions of power and just make a lot of poop jokes.
Aaron Silver-Pell Dude, you just made my day with that one.
Thats called Judaism
Aaron, you say that like it’s a bad thing🤣🤣😂
the carnival is spooky because its unreal and transient like a dream. its intense and plays on sinfulness and taboos like freak shows. Everything about it is flimsy and of the night.
Alyne cringe
Geoffrey Harris Thank you. just trying to understand it.
Robber Baroness Beautifully written
Looks like people like your writing and expression. Can you write some more of your thoughts now here?
Given the situation and how it played out, I assume the kids as a group, knew no use for a hammer except inflicting pain and breaking things. The leader wasn't trustful so the others wouldn't speak up even if they thought helping to build the fence would be of any fun. Without a reason to help, stealing the hammer and trying to get away with it seemed like the best way to entertain themselves.
I feel smarter after watching tons of his videos! I love him so much
You aren’t
All Psychopaths are Shallow and their bullying is equally shallow and petty. When you look at it on the surface, they are nothing but Petty Children
When I was young I moved around a lot always having to change schools, sometimes 3 times a year. Due to this I never had a solid friend group but learned to blend in very well despite always being "the new kid". I also am slightly tall (6ft1) but not super skinny I have some meat on me. I consider myself super friendly and open minded but no matter where you go there will always be the bravado types that Jordan was speaking about. Just like he said though if you stand your ground keep eye contact in a calm "if this is what you want" type demeanor, I have never had to fight anyone. Not once, and there have been multiple people that have had the balls to even try to intimidate me. They would pick on the vulnerable people often and I would see them eyeing me up sometimes in their groups. Almost one kid per school would eventually try it with me calling names or try to make a joke about me so I hear it. Do not let that slide. I'd take that as aggression and pick the one with the loudest mouth and ask them what's up with a blank expression. They try to stay cool often looking to their buds for affirmation but no matter what they do just stare and with your eyes send the message that if they make a joke in front of you there is a good chance you will grab/push/initiate something. They might laugh it off and leave feeling like it was mutual or you are a nut job , literally like the movies (what a loser lets get out of here) but they will NOT try that again. Have never been confronted by the same person twice. Cant understate how important sending the message with your eyes is. Always stand up for yourself. I hope this advice helps someone, Love you guys.
Every ideal is a judge of itself, too
I grew up with a friend in high school (still good friends) and hes just like JP's friend. The more I've been around him the more I learned about myself over the years. I've found out from my own research that I am on this spectrum and I feel my good morals and values hold me back from evil. Read Robert Greene's books and The Book of 5 rings. Arm yourself with knowledge and a new perspective. Just cause you live in a good town doesnt mean your free of the Traveling Psychos that JP talks about.
God bless you all take care in 2020 and beyond.
Voltaire was hated by the establishment. One day four soldiers came his way on the sidewalk, locking arms forming a human wall. One said "We don't go out of our way for fools."
After walking around them, once they had passed he looked back and said: "I do."
Love that!!! Thanks!! 👍👍👍👍😍😍😍😍😍😍
if you had a bad childhood and you marry someone who had a better childhood ("if you are not doing very well and you are around someone who is doing well, its very painful b/c the mere fact of their being judges you") the spouse will try to destroy the other person (unequally yolked)
Literally describes anyone who's ever been on a date. I am purified!
Love Jordan Peterson, so clever and most of these videos show how much his lessons foreshadow current events
No. That`s Nigel Farage. The "foreshadowing" thing. Peterson doesn`t predict anything. Except death. And taxes. Or maybe that was someone else.
Explains ISIS destruction of cultural property and artifacts, I didn't understand it until now.
M R well I think that is a bit different. It's what Peterson says, a part of it, but also the idea that these artifacts are idols. It's the appeal of absolutism. God is God. He purges all sins. Therefore I will be His instrument and purge everything that is deemed evil. It really stems from the same ire we have when say, seeing cobwebs and cockroaches lurking about in the kitchen or the cellar, the instinct is to disinfect the whole damn house until it is spotless. The issue is associating that with artifacts
Also explains intersectional types destroying old statues and monuments -- reminders of heroic men that they will never be.
They destroyed those things because in Islam idolatry is one of the worst sins and the Prophet of Islam destroyed idols in the kabaa.
I love and respect this man so much
Interesting video that I can validate. When I live in Chicago, two men Of much larger stature than myself, try to pick a fight with me at the train stop around midnight. I pushed back and told him that none of us want to fight. I physically pushed back. Somehow they gain respect for me and we rode the train together all the way to the north side of the city. I was well prepared to throw hands and they knew that.
TH-cam is recommending the good Peterson videos now, the ones about personality and archetypes.
This is such a good teacher...
Awesome 👏🏽. At 6:30 wow 😮
I have learned that projection makes perception.
"part of the reason people want to tear things down is so they have nothing to contrast themselves against and to feel bad.."
"..because the fact that it exists, judges them."
"Every ideal is a judge"
... *NOW* I finally understand why so many miserable people hate Sargon of Akkad's Liberalist movement.
Thank you Professor Peterson!
JadeRabbit Futurist or they could be opposed to his views, how expresses them, his proposed method of change, or any number of other reasons.
Sunrise Bedtime , Considering Sargon is a humble gentle person against the destruction of free speech by sjw types, there's not much else to oppose him on unless the people are just psychopaths? .... hmm.
JadeRabbit Futurist As I'm not particularly familiar with Sargon, my main reference point would be the, 'I wouldn't even rape you,' tweet, and the general responses to it.
As such, I find what I know of his methods distasteful. I don't hate him, of course, but were I to further research him, finding that he tended towards such actions, I would find it hard to respect him.
But my opinions aren't what we are talking about. It's the people who do hate him. And to assume that hatred comes only from one particular direction or cause devalues our ability to discern motive. There are more likely to be reasons as various as there are people who hold the position, and denying that simply diminishes your own ability to investigate the actual issue.
Sunrise, you aren't familiar with the whole other 90% of that story then (and I know NPR has been broadcasting that bit to turn people against Sargon) no, if you were familiar with the person Sargon was responding to, her history and level of viciousness, amorality, and general level of deceit used to spread an agenda, you would understand why Sargon's comments was unusually kind under the circumstance.
Of course, Jordan Peterson's response would have been to give none at all, since the person Sargon was dealing with was loudly refusing to listen to anyone who wasn't in full support of her dangerous agenda.
But that's Media manipulation for you.
JadeRabbit Futurist Again, my opinion of sargon is irrelevant to my point. In fact, the actual story surrounding sargon is irrelevant to my core point, I only brought it up to highlight an extant reason to dislike/disapprove of him.
Assuming people don't like him because they compare themselves unfavorably to whatever ideal you view him as representing is a non-starter. That's where I feel the need to address your views; on the opposition to Sargon or his following, not your views on the man himself, or his supporters.
If one knows the difference between Joy and Happiness, Then finding fulfillment in life and avoiding temptation is far easier than all the effort it takes into those traps! Life is only as complicated as we choose to make it!!
Mike Tyson says that after studying the great warriors and conquers throughout history, he found that most of them were sheep herders and farmers. And then they became great, or they give birth to greatness.