Thank you…after 18 years, today I learnt the "234". I am not a musician and so this visual helps me understand the positioning of the strong beat, syncopa and quick-quick. THANK YOU.
please make more of these videos!!! this is the only way a person can hear and see the musicality demonstrated clearly. All other videos either only do theoretical talk or gloss over the basics.
Thank you, what an interesting explanation that's so simple to pick up. In my Tango class some of the more difficult time signatures 7/8 ? provide a surging musicality.
Th explanation is great the demonstration makes it understandable… making the lead feel intuitive to the follower is the hard part… tips on that would be helpful
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Pero nadie sabe de antemano en qué momento la orquesta va a hacer la síncopa, de manera que este "método" sólo serviría con una pieza musical que tengas totalmente memorizada!
Claro, no lo sabes. Sin embargo, si cuando bailas escuchas la música (aunque es redundante decirlo así, porque bailar implica escuchar la música), al poco tiempo ya te conoces los arreglos y las canciones en general. Por otro lado, las orquestas tienen estilos particulares y patrones que repiten. Y ya luego con más experiencia hasta lo puedes predecir. Lo sé por experiencia propia! Sea como sea, la capacidad física de realizar movimientos lentos, normales, rápidos o muy rápidos son una necesidad del bailarín (más allá de la música). Es más o menos como si tú quisieras tocar un instrumento, pues primero hay que aprender a afinarlo!
It is preferable to count 1 e and a, 2 e and a, 3 e and a vs. 1 2 3 4 2 2 3 4 3 2 3 4... This is how a musician would look at the music. I would suggest getting familiar with quarter notes (the strong beats he mentions in the video), eigth notes, sixteenth notes etc. I love the dancing! Very musical.
I see you're a former musician and so I understand why you propose that type of counting. However, music measures sound and dance measures movement. And they are VERY different from each other: sound exists from the moment our ears detect it and until it changes or stops; in the other hand, movement (and specially Tango movement, because it takes 2 persons) starts before we actually take a side step, for example. And it finishes after we complete the step (collecting the other leg). So, in the same way people count Waltz like 123123123... Tango dancers count 123412341234... Besides, this way is better because it just takes you one number to know exactly what that number means. Otherwise, you need a second piece of information about which exactly "and" you're talking about. Moreover, the counting 1234 2234 3234 4234 5234... is for choreographies, so it doesn't really count. Thanks for commenting!
@@tangotribu Lines 2 and 6 of your reply are what I've discovered, and it makes me _very_ happy to see someone knowledgeable in this specialty dance say that succinctly and clearly, given the great amount of overloading in the terminology. I cannot wait to put it to use when Argentine tango appears in my dance curriculum. Thank you!
Hi Javier. Thanks a lot for Your content about tango musicality. Every attempt to teach dancers "to dance" (= interpret music) is unbelievably valuable. But.... ... way You teach dancing musicality simply fails. Music is art, not mathematics. Even more to dance you don't need to be musician. As a dancer you are in this luxurious situation to have a material for dancing, Especially the Argentine tango was exactly made for it! (except music of Piazzolla ..., or tangos of Gardel, late Pugliese and a lot of music of La Vangardia, etc....). Actually to learn dancing could be quite easy by understanding some basics of musical interpretation. F.e.: a dancer do not need to care about the metrum, bars and counting of this stuff. You have to follow a different and more even easier stuff, like a simply pattern. After managing this skill, the next step will be to find yourself in this pattern (performing through exercising and afterwards practicing on milongas). I know: it's impossible to explain this in few words, but... the main reason of musical dancing is FREEDOM and COMFORT; here is the point to start. By the way: dancing syncope at the "most common positions" gives you may be some kind of good feeling to dance syncope, but you will never master it without feeling and performing syncope together with music. How it is possible? Well, let's start to understand, that musician (especially in tango) play FOR YOU TO DANCE, and NOT AGAINST YOU. Nowadays, when most leaders are busy with performing some figures or sequences not having even a reason for caminada and communication, is not possible for them to lead a partner to a simple straight ahead mercato! At this point tango is bare of music, soul and essence. Nevertheless, I hope You will be successful by teaching musicality in tango. We both, You and me are fighters on the front of music. Hope to meet You in Prague (or wherever we dance). See yeah.
Thanks for your input! As I said in this video: I simply made it to share with everybody what I would have needed to know when I fist started. That's all. I'm super aware there are different ways to teach Tango, and I'm slowly implementing more of those ways. One of them is the first interactive Tango library. You can check it out by signing up for free at tangotribe.net
Not much you can do about that. Only pay more attention every time you dance. So you'll train your ears. In the other hand, most tangos are pretty predictable. But the point is that, even if you know the music, you'll never dance with precision unless you train your body to perform different rhythms.
I find your exposé interesting however I do not understand why you (and other dancers) use the term "sycopation" in connection with dance steps whereas it is a musical term. It refers to (musical) measures (or bars) containing two "tiempo forte" instead of one: the 1st bit and another strong bit immediately after the 1st (at 1/8 th from it). Thank you for an answer or a correction of my comment.
@@dobletiempo4650 I’m glad you find this video interesting. In my case, I use the word “syncopation” to point out that I’m talking about a rhythmical moment that’s not the strong beat (1) nor the off beat (3). So, I say first syncopation when it involves 1-2, and second syncopation when it’s 4-1. I know most of my colleagues (probably all) use this word too. However, some of them use it with a bit different meaning… What happens is that the technical vocabulary in Tango dance is new. So I guess we’ll have to deal with these kind of thing for some years until we all agree to call things the same way.
@@barryspivack77 I can suggest you to watch it again… It’s also important to remember that different people tend to understand different types of explanations. As I say in this video: that’s the way it helped ME to understand it right away (I’m more technical oriented, rather than “feel the music” or “go with the flow”, etc) Think about the Walz… everybody knows it goes 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3… right? And people tend to step on every of those numbers. Well, Tango goes 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4… and you can choose where to step based on what you hear, for example.
Tango videos on youtube are either super crazy advanced or absolute beginner level. I just want to understand why our teachers call the tango steps "slow slow quick quick", when it doesn't match the music and why they call rather short and dynamic steps "slow". But these videos are either performed by proffesionals who don't give a shit about teaching beginner simple beat, or amateurs who just teach first steps with no matching to music at all. Sigh...
- How advanced do you think this video is? - About the "slow-quick" problem, you should actually ask your teachers. But I can tell you this: one thing is the music as it plays and the other is the rhythm of a step sequence. It's decision of the dancer to choose sequences that match the music. Or, even more advanced, change the speed of the sequences in order to match the music. - I feel your frustration, you could sign up for free at TangoTribe.net , check what we have in our free plan and get in contact with us so we can find a solution for you.
Jochen, yes I believe some people will understand. Did you actually watched the whole video? The example starts at 4m 44sec About the 0-3-0: this is also covered in the video. Where 0 is the same as 1, but silent. So 0-3-0 means you'll step offbeat. I'm not expecting everyone fully understands it. But I know most do. And, as it's said in the tittle of this video: this info is what I should have known many years ago. I hope you can watch it again and understand it. You can join the Tango Tribe here: TangoTribe.net/plans
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@@tangotribu > Did you actually watched the whole video? No, at 3:31 it says "Next ...", which means that you are going to deal with another topic / aspect. There is no info whatsoever that you are going to come back to your first topic.
Great video! All is clear but in the same moment fresh and new 👍✨ If somebody don’t understand what syncopation is, they have to ask their tango teachers. And you are doing great! ❤
Those who have difficulty understanding the concepts explained (and how the instructor actually demonstrated them several times) are probably missing some required music background, or dance background, or both.
You can dance it with other musics. And it does have bass. What it doesn’t have is percussion. However, the bass and the piano are the instruments that keep the rhythm. Also the Bandoneon.
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Thank you…after 18 years, today I learnt the "234". I am not a musician and so this visual helps me understand the positioning of the strong beat, syncopa and quick-quick. THANK YOU.
@@lstangueralstanguera9034 thank you for your feedback, I’m very happy to help with this subject!
please make more of these videos!!! this is the only way a person can hear and see the musicality demonstrated clearly. All other videos either only do theoretical talk or gloss over the basics.
Yes yes more musicality! Thank you for this.
Danced example is really nice, thanks for sharing!
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Thank you, what an interesting explanation that's so simple to pick up. In my Tango class some of the more difficult time signatures 7/8 ? provide a surging musicality.
Th explanation is great the demonstration makes it understandable… making the lead feel intuitive to the follower is the hard part… tips on that would be helpful
Nice video style - a mix of lecture, presentation and demonstration. Really simple & really helpful. Gracias!
0:58 The Structure of a Tango song
3:53 How to choose the moments
6:02 What to practice to master it
6:48 How to advance MUCH faster!
Subscribe, comment and share it! 🙏
Very clear very good thank you
Very good. Thanks alot.❤
Thank you! Your video is a great contribution for me .
Thank you for letting me know that!
Great video. Thanks!
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Explicacion excelente. Gracias mil.
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New to musicality. This is a very useful video
super. Thank you
Truly an excellent video . Bravo
Интересно! Спасибо!
Thank you. This is so awesome!!!!
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i understand and love it
Great video! Thanks!
Loved it. Thank you!
¡Que culo tiene! ¡Qué maestría! ¡Qué generosidad! Un acierto para un entendido. Y muchas gracias por la clase. Muy elaborada.
Pero nadie sabe de antemano en qué momento la orquesta va a hacer la síncopa, de manera que este "método" sólo serviría con una pieza musical que tengas totalmente memorizada!
Claro, no lo sabes. Sin embargo, si cuando bailas escuchas la música (aunque es redundante decirlo así, porque bailar implica escuchar la música), al poco tiempo ya te conoces los arreglos y las canciones en general.
Por otro lado, las orquestas tienen estilos particulares y patrones que repiten.
Y ya luego con más experiencia hasta lo puedes predecir. Lo sé por experiencia propia!
Sea como sea, la capacidad física de realizar movimientos lentos, normales, rápidos o muy rápidos son una necesidad del bailarín (más allá de la música).
Es más o menos como si tú quisieras tocar un instrumento, pues primero hay que aprender a afinarlo!
Thanks for this! ❤
I love you. That's all i need to say.
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It is preferable to count 1 e and a, 2 e and a, 3 e and a vs. 1 2 3 4 2 2 3 4 3 2 3 4... This is how a musician would look at the music. I would suggest getting familiar with quarter notes (the strong beats he mentions in the video), eigth notes, sixteenth notes etc. I love the dancing! Very musical.
I see you're a former musician and so I understand why you propose that type of counting.
However, music measures sound and dance measures movement. And they are VERY different from each other: sound exists from the moment our ears detect it and until it changes or stops; in the other hand, movement (and specially Tango movement, because it takes 2 persons) starts before we actually take a side step, for example. And it finishes after we complete the step (collecting the other leg).
So, in the same way people count Waltz like 123123123... Tango dancers count 123412341234...
Besides, this way is better because it just takes you one number to know exactly what that number means.
Otherwise, you need a second piece of information about which exactly "and" you're talking about.
Moreover, the counting 1234 2234 3234 4234 5234... is for choreographies, so it doesn't really count.
Thanks for commenting!
@@tangotribu Lines 2 and 6 of your reply are what I've discovered, and it makes me _very_ happy to see someone knowledgeable in this specialty dance say that succinctly and clearly, given the great amount of overloading in the terminology. I cannot wait to put it to use when Argentine tango appears in my dance curriculum. Thank you!
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Hi Javier. Thanks a lot for Your content about tango musicality. Every attempt to teach dancers "to dance" (= interpret music) is unbelievably valuable. But....
... way You teach dancing musicality simply fails.
Music is art, not mathematics. Even more to dance you don't need to be musician. As a dancer you are in this luxurious situation to have a material for dancing, Especially the Argentine tango was exactly made for it! (except music of Piazzolla ..., or tangos of Gardel, late Pugliese and a lot of music of La Vangardia, etc....).
Actually to learn dancing could be quite easy by understanding some basics of musical interpretation. F.e.: a dancer do not need to care about the metrum, bars and counting of this stuff. You have to follow a different and more even easier stuff, like a simply pattern. After managing this skill, the next step will be to find yourself in this pattern (performing through exercising and afterwards practicing on milongas).
I know: it's impossible to explain this in few words, but... the main reason of musical dancing is FREEDOM and COMFORT; here is the point to start.
By the way: dancing syncope at the "most common positions" gives you may be some kind of good feeling to dance syncope, but you will never master it without feeling and performing syncope together with music. How it is possible? Well, let's start to understand, that musician (especially in tango) play FOR YOU TO DANCE, and NOT AGAINST YOU. Nowadays, when most leaders are busy with performing some figures or sequences not having even a reason for caminada and communication, is not possible for them to lead a partner to a simple straight ahead mercato! At this point tango is bare of music, soul and essence.
Nevertheless, I hope You will be successful by teaching musicality in tango. We both, You and me are fighters on the front of music. Hope to meet You in Prague (or wherever we dance). See yeah.
Thanks for your input! As I said in this video: I simply made it to share with everybody what I would have needed to know when I fist started. That's all.
I'm super aware there are different ways to teach Tango, and I'm slowly implementing more of those ways. One of them is the first interactive Tango library.
You can check it out by signing up for free at tangotribe.net
yes, bur if I do not know the music before?
Not much you can do about that. Only pay more attention every time you dance. So you'll train your ears.
In the other hand, most tangos are pretty predictable. But the point is that, even if you know the music, you'll never dance with precision unless you train your body to perform different rhythms.
I find your exposé interesting however I do not understand why you (and other dancers) use the term "sycopation" in connection with dance steps whereas it is a musical term. It refers to (musical) measures (or bars) containing two "tiempo forte" instead of one: the 1st bit and another strong bit immediately after the 1st (at 1/8 th from it). Thank you for an answer or a correction of my comment.
@@dobletiempo4650 I’m glad you find this video interesting.
In my case, I use the word “syncopation” to point out that I’m talking about a rhythmical moment that’s not the strong beat (1) nor the off beat (3).
So, I say first syncopation when it involves 1-2, and second syncopation when it’s 4-1.
I know most of my colleagues (probably all) use this word too.
However, some of them use it with a bit different meaning…
What happens is that the technical vocabulary in Tango dance is new. So I guess we’ll have to deal with these kind of thing for some years until we all agree to call things the same way.
@@tangotribu OK
sounds very complicated for a beginner
@@barryspivack77 I can suggest you to watch it again…
It’s also important to remember that different people tend to understand different types of explanations.
As I say in this video: that’s the way it helped ME to understand it right away (I’m more technical oriented, rather than “feel the music” or “go with the flow”, etc)
Think about the Walz… everybody knows it goes 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3… right? And people tend to step on every of those numbers.
Well, Tango goes 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4… and you can choose where to step based on what you hear, for example.
Tango videos on youtube are either super crazy advanced or absolute beginner level. I just want to understand why our teachers call the tango steps "slow slow quick quick", when it doesn't match the music and why they call rather short and dynamic steps "slow". But these videos are either performed by proffesionals who don't give a shit about teaching beginner simple beat, or amateurs who just teach first steps with no matching to music at all. Sigh...
- How advanced do you think this video is?
- About the "slow-quick" problem, you should actually ask your teachers. But I can tell you this: one thing is the music as it plays and the other is the rhythm of a step sequence. It's decision of the dancer to choose sequences that match the music. Or, even more advanced, change the speed of the sequences in order to match the music.
- I feel your frustration, you could sign up for free at TangoTribe.net , check what we have in our free plan and get in contact with us so we can find a solution for you.
This is way too advanced for a beginner. Sorry
Do you seriously believe anybody understands e.g. your strange 0 3 0 notation and first and second syncopa without any explanation and examples?
Jochen, yes I believe some people will understand.
Did you actually watched the whole video?
The example starts at 4m 44sec
About the 0-3-0: this is also covered in the video. Where 0 is the same as 1, but silent. So 0-3-0 means you'll step offbeat.
I'm not expecting everyone fully understands it. But I know most do.
And, as it's said in the tittle of this video: this info is what I should have known many years ago.
I hope you can watch it again and understand it.
You can join the Tango Tribe here: TangoTribe.net/plans
@@tangotribu > Did you actually watched the whole video?
No, at 3:31 it says "Next ...", which means that you are going to deal with another topic / aspect. There is no info whatsoever that you are going to come back to your first topic.
@ at 3m31sec starts the part where I explain how I chose the moments to dance this part of the song. And this example starts at 4m43sec
Great video! All is clear but in the same moment fresh and new 👍✨ If somebody don’t understand what syncopation is, they have to ask their tango teachers.
And you are doing great! ❤
Those who have difficulty understanding the concepts explained (and how the instructor actually demonstrated them several times) are probably missing some required music background, or dance background, or both.
Learning tango, it's hard because I don't like the music, and it has no bass.
You can dance it with other musics.
And it does have bass. What it doesn’t have is percussion. However, the bass and the piano are the instruments that keep the rhythm. Also the Bandoneon.