This was the first loco I had when I was about 6 years old ( I'm 73 now ). My dad bought it secondhand off a workmate, along with some track and the battery controller ! Simple yet very happy times !
“Santa” brought me aPrincess Victoria, a tender ,2 coaches and some series3 track in Christmas 1962 when I was 10. I still have it and it still runs nicely! Thanks Oscar, I really enjoyed this video.
Hi Barry, thank you for looking in, terrific to hear you're still have your original Princess Victoria and coaches, bet there are terrific memories associated with those items. Take care. Oscar
I do like the Princess in black. They look imposing I think and it runs beautifully across the points and crossings. Good to see it so carefully brought back to life. 😊
Hi Pauline, thank you again for looking in, one of Tri-ang's classics the black Princess, this example has turned out to be a lovely item to run on the railway. All the best for the festive season. Oscar
You know Oscar no matter how many times I watch your videos I’m just amazed how well the trains run over the points. I remember I had super 4 track double loop and the Triang coaches would never cross from one to the other. I never fathomed why. That would be early 70’s. The coaches were blue and grey I presume mk1’s. They are about the only stuff I never kept. Any how nice to see them running today . Thanks again.
Hi, thanks for looking in, great to hear you're enjoying the videos. It's very rewarding when everything runs as it should or do you think it should? Sometimes it takes a bit of experimentation, but as you say there are occasions when you can never really work out why something dose what it dose can be very frustrating.. I have a set of early 70s, southern coaches R.622A & R623A with white roofs and white rimmed wheels, loverly looking coaches, absolute terrible runners. They wouldn't run nicely on the Super 4, and just as temperamental on the system 6. It is the wheels which are at fault. The only successful running I've got from them is when I've pinched wheels from other coaches... the wheels must've been an attempt by Tri-ang to make a finer scale wheel sets. The flanges are quite fine and the back to back is too wide. Take care. Oscar
Thanks. Really interesting to see how you work on the motor. And of course, seeing those old catalogues! The artists that painted the cover pictures really got us excited about what was on offer (which probably excited us in other ways).
Hi, thanks for watching great to hear you found that interesting, that must've been a lot of effort put into the result catalogues of the items in themselves. Take care. Oscar
Well, here I am on Tuesday morning catching up on Sunday’s video. Such a manic weekend! I watched with awe and horror in equal measure when you took apart the Princess. I should have known that you know what you are doing. When I took my original Princess Elizabeth apart I made a real mess of it and a very kind TH-camr offered to fix it for me. What a great community we have. Well done with the cleaning up and how good to see it all running well. Thanks for sharing Oscar. If it’s not too early, have a great Christmas. Roy.
Thank you Roy, glad you enjoyed that, its turned out to be a lovely addition for the railway, nice to hear you've got yours all sorted out. Wish you all the best for the festive season. Oscar
Thanks Oscar, a really helpfull video, I find great satisfaction in restoring older models to working order, I always think it may have belonged to sombodies father or grandfather, it's a true pleasure to see them run again, I agree with what you say about not over cleaning, it can do some harm.
Morning Paul, thanks for watching glad you found the video interesting. It's amazing the history, some of these models and how more often than not a light clean will bring them back to life. All the best for the festive season. Oscar
Nice to see a bit of restoration work, these old models do just keep on going. It turned out to be a good purchase and addition to your collection and comes with a deceased eight legged passenger to boot.
Hello Oscar. Finally finished watching this video on Boxing Day! Hope you're having a lovely Christmas. Lovely long, relaxing video, thank you. By coincidence I received a maroon and cream R224 yesterday as a gift from my wife. It is a super model with its printed orange curtains and nice interior detail isn't it? Great work on the Princess. How very satisfying to obtain an old model in such a way and restore it to fabulous working condition and what a treat to follow its restoration. Excellent stuff! .
Hi, thank you for looking in. Glad you enjoyed the video, terrific to hear you receive that coach as a gift, they are lovely items, and quite nicely details for the price point of the period. Must've been a thrill to get one of these back when they new in the catalogue. Hope you've been enjoying the festive season and wish you all the best for the coming year. Oscar
Outstanding servicing video. Thank you Oscar, I must do the same with my Princess Victoria. It is in a very similar condition to what yours was prior to your service. A previous owner has painted the tender maroon and put LMS decals on it. I have been shy about removing axles to free up the wheels but they are solid on this tender so I may give it a go. I have a Jinty that ran poorly for years but one day I took the collector plate off and the solder joint fell off just like your Princess. Fixing that gave me another fine running Tri-ang loco. Regards, David.
Thank you David. Glad you liked video, definitely worth a try tapping out those wheels on the tender, identify which is supposed to be the free running wheel and tap out towards the one with the spine, holding it on the axle, a little turn of the wheels with your thumbs and look at the ends of the axle boxes, you should be able to identify which way to tap out, this blind side of the axle should rotate with the wheel. The solder joint on the collection plate is a good one, I've found several in the past that have come away. Take care. Oscar
Hi Oscar, Great video and an excellent and very satisfying result. As previously mentioned nostalgia plays a big part and this era is right on the button for me. Great to see how you go about the restoration, always beneficial to compare working practices 😀 Best regards, Gordon
Hi Oscar. I just love watching you servicing old Tri-ang locos; so educational! I owned a few back in the 60s and when I got married, my dear old Mum, bless her, thought I would never use them again so she gave my layout to my Nephew; shame! I am now contemplating selling my modern day locos etc. and replacing my current setup with 1960s and 1970s locos etc. (except my Peco code 100 track). Do you think it a good idea as it seems that older locos appear to be easier to service as their workings are less complicated and are very nostalgic? Paul. 👍❤️
Lighting looks fine to me Oscar . Another good video showing restoration of a fine old model . I’d be tempted to remove and replace the tender lining and crests . I know it wouldn’t be original but I think it would be more pleasing to the eye . Good running again . I never used to have derailments but the locos quite often stalled on the points even though cleaned with meths constantly , so your running is terrific . Joyous video of trainsets all year round but especially nostalgic at Christmas . Unfortunately unless someone gives me a big surprise there will be no red boxes for me this year . Anyway wishing you a very Merry Christmas and thanks for these nostalgic videos . Hugely enjoyable
Hi Russell, thanks again, hope you're enjoying the festive season. I know what you mean about the lining, I am always worried with a job like that that I may make more of a mess of than it's already in... Painting, relining and numbering I'm not that confident with. I have a number of models bought and put away with the sole purpose of getting around to painting lining numbering... but I keep putting off having a go. I did have a go with an AL1 Electric sometime ago, it turned out ok ish... Take care. Oscar
A thoroughly enjoyable video. I was doing something very similar earlier this week with my latest purchase. I had to do the same soldered joint and completely replace a brush as there was no carbon left. Your video showed a few really useful tips that I’ll be using going forward. I’ll certainly be returning back to it. Much like yourself it’s a model that I already had, I didn’t need, but I couldn’t help myself 😊
Thanks Tony for looking in, nice to hear hear you have been having fun with some of these old items, it's great fun and very rewarding. All the best. Oscar
Lovely elegant locomotive, the Princess Victoria. It runs very nicely after your service. Really interesting watching the maintenance process. I agree that models can be too clean! Most of mine are much more play worn than your beautiful collection but I'm very happy with them all the same. I've always had a problem with the Dublo goods depot, it's like they couldn't decide if they were modern and realistic or tinplate and toy like. I don't have a problem with those concepts separately but it seems weird to mix them together. Cheers Guy
Thanks Guy glad you enjoyed seeing that little bit of maintenance in action. It's nice to have the odd very nice condition example of a model or two, but it's definitely the play worn ones wear the fun is to be had. Wish you all the best for the festive season. Oscar
The 1959 catalogue was the first i got aged 6 in 1959. Princess Victoria amazed ne ad it lavked the valve gesr of Lizzie and Royal. I set was in thst cat, the DMU witg battery controller. Amazing to yhink after 64 years Victotia runs as good as new. No Chinese junk back them
Some information i looked up may be useful related to Triang and the Princess models. The very useful publication Triang Railways - The First Ten Years has some very useful information on the development of the Princess model from 1951 to 1961 on page 10. Driving wheels with see through spokes were introduced in 1961 for the Princess Elizabeth and Princess Royal. The green and maroon versions then. The simplified Princess Victoria in black kept the solid wheels presumably then. The more refined tension lock Mark 3 couplings were fitted as standard in 1959. 1957 was the only year the Princess model had no changes. Just a tiny part of the useful information in that 116 page booklet RT.208. An RT prefix because it covers both the OO/HO and TT ranges.
Good morning, John, thanks again for looking in and the terrific information I had quite forgotten this book contained quite so much detail, it contains a terrific section on servicing as well. Take care. Oscar
A very good video showing your methods of doing maintenance on this locomotive here Oscar, might try some of these methods myself if they are necessary in the future, keep up the great work.
Good morning Oscar, it's Martin from Hull in the East Riding of Yorkshire. Well what can I say, ive just watched your wonderful video of your light cleaning session on the beautiful locomotive and coaches. You can really tell the difference once the maintenance is done. and the locomotive motor sounds quiter as it goes round the railway and the coaches look great after a spruce up. Well done Oscar, you've done a great job. Well, as always, I am going to have my cup of tea and toasted tea cake and i shall watch your video again. Keep safe Oscar and ill see you next week .🙂👍🚂🚃
Thank you Martin. Glad you enjoyed having a look at that, I find it very rewarding getting a model back into sensible running condition. This Princess, Victoria is going to be one of those lovely items to run on the railway, it will have a great deal of use on the railway over time just like the 2-6-2 tail loco I recently cleaned up. Wish you and your family all the best for the festive season. Oscar
Hi Graham, thanks again for looking in. The parcel van does have opening doors, I've included a link below to a site with pictures of it with its doors open. All then best. Oscar www.tri-ang.co.uk/UtilityVan.htm
Oscar , Love what you did with 46205. It runs through all your points without stalling yet with pickups on only 2 driving wheels. Did you glean your knowledge of Triang mechanisms through their service sheets? Has the layout reached the end of its developments? regards Paul
Good evening Paul, thank you again for looking That Princess Victoria has turned out to be a great runner, the service sheets have been a great help working out how these items were supposed to look along with trial and error to begin with! There was also terrific help and enthusiasm from our local model railway shop helping me get an understanding of these items, sadly now closed down for several years. Layout probably not quite finished ! some refinement with the wiring to do over the coming months. I did hope to have time over my Christmas break to make some headway with it, but it doesn't look like it's going to work out that way, the track work is probably about where it's going to be, but I found I'm swapping bits out for better bits as time moves on to gradually improve the running. All the best. Oscar
I love your videos do keep up the good work. I have one of these princesses as well, I know it's a bit crass but do you mind me asking how much yours cost? Mine was 22 without box but runs nicely, I think my tender has more of it's lining but has lost half of the crest on one side.
Hi terrific to hear you have one of these Princess locomotives. The Princess in the video came in a job lot of very dusty play worn items for £30. I've got this from the Train Collectors Society show in November from there bring and buy stall. Thanks for watching. Oscar
@@oscarpaisley thanks :) one thing I was wondering was when did they switch from solid wheels to the ones you can see through? I've noticed some have raised raised nameplates. My one has a smoke generator which sadly does not work even at full bore, it does get warm but not hot.
Hi Oscar, I'm late making a comment today.. Most of my first locos had the solid wheels and Mk. 2 couplers? It was not until I got a T.C. version of the Dock Shunter, (my fourth loco), that I started to obtain stock with the Tension Lock couplers.. Unfortunately, there were a few problems with reliable running through points? In those early days, the points went through a number of design changes, (I have 3 types in Standard track alone),? Sometimes the little contacts for the point blades, were easily put out of adjustment, resulting in poor electrical contact? Often the weight of the locos would affect this , causing intermittent pick-up faults while running over the points? The other thing that would happen, was that the large plastic frogs would wear away quite quickly, and a wheel would 'dip down' on the worn surface, causing the other pick-up wheel to rise off of the rail? (A small cut out piece of plastic to fit into the frog and support the wheel flanges would help with this problem)? The frogs were riveted into some points and could be replaced, but I doubt that this was ever done often. (or even if spares S 5359 & S 5172 were actually ever readily available)? Mostly though, damage was caused by continual packing up and unpacking layouts, because most of us did not have "permanent layouts" in those days? (Only a very few)? The great thing is that, despite a few problems, we all retained our love for these early excursions into model trains, and enjoy so much, revisiting them on your channel... (or very few),
The very useful publication Triang Railways - The First Ten Years has some very useful information on the development of the Princess model from 1951 to 1961. See through spokes were introduced in 1961 for the Princess Elizabeth and Princess Royal. The green and maroon versions then. The simplified Princess Victoria in black kept the solid wheels presumably then. The more refined tension lock Mark 3 couplings were fitted as standard in 1959. Just a tiny part of the useful information in that RT.208 116 page booklet. Another important date was 1956 when the bodies are recorded as changing from unstable cellulose acetate to high impact polystyrene. Triang wanting a more stable long lasting plastic.
Hi John, Great book that? I still have my copy from new (a bit worn).. I managed to get a really good copy as a gift for my grandson, who loves old Tri-ang.. My first locos were an R 52 Pacific & Tender, and an R152 Diesel Shunter and an R 57 & 58 (The Dummy and B unit, the R55 loco came much later).. The first two, both had solid wheels... Next came an R 157 Diesel Railcar and a R 253 Yard Switcher (my first loco with Tension lock couplers).. Eventually a second R 152 with Mk.3 couplers and a CKD Princess Elisabeth. This was my first loco with Magnadhesion and spoked wheels?... Those were the days? From 6 to 10 years old, were the best?...
Hi Robin, thanks for looking in, very interesting what you say about the replaceable frogs, it would be great to find some of those spare parts, just to look at of course, I could imagine quite a mess been made of the points, trying to remove frog retaining rivets. Just looked up the service sheet for those Standard track points and came across a copy of service sheet number 17 issued January 1959, and it also shows both left and right hand frogs with part numbers for series 3 points (S.5280 left / S.5281 right), interestingly both standard & series 3 service sheets show all the parts that make up the points with part numbers. As you say I wonder how many of these items were are available. Wish you all the best for the festive season. Oscar
The thought of having to remove the existing rivets, was enough to stop me from ever trying a frog replacement? I doubt if drilling them out would be successful? Perhaps some way of filing the tops off and then pressing them out with a thin punch may work in plastic? I am too "heavy handed" to attempt this one I think, even if I ever found the replacement parts? It's enlightening to know that Tri-ang even had part numbers for them?
This was the first loco I had when I was about 6 years old ( I'm 73 now ). My dad bought it secondhand off a workmate, along
with some track and the battery controller ! Simple yet very happy times !
Good morning John, thanks for looking in, glad the video brought back happy memories.
Take care.
Oscar
You can't beat a good disassemble! Well other than a working reassemble that is😉👏👏👍👍
“Santa” brought me aPrincess Victoria, a tender ,2 coaches and some series3 track in Christmas 1962 when I was 10. I still have it and it still runs nicely! Thanks Oscar, I really enjoyed this video.
Hi Barry, thank you for looking in, terrific to hear you're still have your original Princess Victoria and coaches, bet there are terrific memories associated with those items.
Take care.
Oscar
I do like the Princess in black. They look imposing I think and it runs beautifully across the points and crossings. Good to see it so carefully brought back to life. 😊
Hi Pauline, thank you again for looking in, one of Tri-ang's classics the black Princess, this example has turned out to be a lovely item to run on the railway.
All the best for the festive season.
Oscar
You know Oscar no matter how many times I watch your videos I’m just amazed how well the trains run over the points. I remember I had super 4 track double loop and the Triang coaches would never cross from one to the other. I never fathomed why. That would be early 70’s. The coaches were blue and grey I presume mk1’s. They are about the only stuff I never kept. Any how nice to see them running today . Thanks again.
Hi, thanks for looking in, great to hear you're enjoying the videos. It's very rewarding when everything runs as it should or do you think it should? Sometimes it takes a bit of experimentation, but as you say there are occasions when you can never really work out why something dose what it dose can be very frustrating.. I have a set of early 70s, southern coaches R.622A & R623A with white roofs and white rimmed wheels, loverly looking coaches, absolute terrible runners. They wouldn't run nicely on the Super 4, and just as temperamental on the system 6. It is the wheels which are at fault. The only successful running I've got from them is when I've pinched wheels from other coaches... the wheels must've been an attempt by Tri-ang to make a finer scale wheel sets. The flanges are quite fine and the back to back is too wide.
Take care.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisleyAh that could be it thanks merry Christmas
Thanks. Really interesting to see how you work on the motor. And of course, seeing those old catalogues! The artists that painted the cover pictures really got us excited about what was on offer (which probably excited us in other ways).
Hi, thanks for watching great to hear you found that interesting, that must've been a lot of effort put into the result catalogues of the items in themselves.
Take care.
Oscar
Well, here I am on Tuesday morning catching up on Sunday’s video. Such a manic weekend! I watched with awe and horror in equal measure when you took apart the Princess. I should have known that you know what you are doing. When I took my original Princess Elizabeth apart I made a real mess of it and a very kind TH-camr offered to fix it for me. What a great community we have. Well done with the cleaning up and how good to see it all running well. Thanks for sharing Oscar. If it’s not too early, have a great Christmas. Roy.
Thank you Roy, glad you enjoyed that, its turned out to be a lovely addition for the railway, nice to hear you've got yours all sorted out.
Wish you all the best for the festive season.
Oscar
Thanks Oscar, a really helpfull video, I find great satisfaction in restoring older models to working order, I always think it may have belonged to sombodies father or grandfather, it's a true pleasure to see them run again, I agree with what you say about not over cleaning, it can do some harm.
Morning Paul, thanks for watching glad you found the video interesting. It's amazing the history, some of these models and how more often than not a light clean will bring them back to life.
All the best for the festive season.
Oscar
Nice to see a bit of restoration work, these old models do just keep on going. It turned out to be a good purchase and addition to your collection and comes with a deceased eight legged passenger to boot.
Hello Oscar. Finally finished watching this video on Boxing Day! Hope you're having a lovely Christmas.
Lovely long, relaxing video, thank you. By coincidence I received a maroon and cream R224 yesterday as a gift from my wife. It is a super model with its printed orange curtains and nice interior detail isn't it?
Great work on the Princess. How very satisfying to obtain an old model in such a way and restore it to fabulous working condition and what a treat to follow its restoration.
Excellent stuff!
.
Hi, thank you for looking in. Glad you enjoyed the video, terrific to hear you receive that coach as a gift, they are lovely items, and quite nicely details for the price point of the period. Must've been a thrill to get one of these back when they new in the catalogue.
Hope you've been enjoying the festive season and wish you all the best for the coming year.
Oscar
Nice video. That Princess runs beautifully after its overhaul.
Thanks Roderic glad you enjoyed seeing the princess, have a bit of a clean up.
Take care.
Oscar
Outstanding servicing video. Thank you Oscar, I must do the same with my Princess Victoria. It is in a very similar condition to what yours was prior to your service. A previous owner has painted the tender maroon and put LMS decals on it. I have been shy about removing axles to free up the wheels but they are solid on this tender so I may give it a go. I have a Jinty that ran poorly for years but one day I took the collector plate off and the solder joint fell off just like your Princess. Fixing that gave me another fine running Tri-ang loco. Regards, David.
Thank you David. Glad you liked video, definitely worth a try tapping out those wheels on the tender, identify which is supposed to be the free running wheel and tap out towards the one with the spine, holding it on the axle, a little turn of the wheels with your thumbs and look at the ends of the axle boxes, you should be able to identify which way to tap out, this blind side of the axle should rotate with the wheel. The solder joint on the collection plate is a good one, I've found several in the past that have come away.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar,
Great video and an excellent and very satisfying result. As previously mentioned nostalgia plays a big part and this era is right on the button for me. Great to see how you go about the restoration, always beneficial to compare working practices 😀
Best regards,
Gordon
Thanks again Gordon, glad you enjoyed that bit of light restoration.
All the best for the festive season.
Oscar
Hi Oscar.
I just love watching you servicing old Tri-ang locos; so educational!
I owned a few back in the 60s and when I got married, my dear old Mum, bless her, thought I would never use them again so she gave my layout to my Nephew; shame!
I am now contemplating selling my modern day locos etc. and replacing my current setup with 1960s and 1970s locos etc. (except my Peco code 100 track). Do you think it a good idea as it seems that older locos appear to be easier to service as their workings are less complicated and are very nostalgic?
Paul. 👍❤️
Lighting looks fine to me Oscar . Another good video showing restoration of a fine old model . I’d be tempted to remove and replace the tender lining and crests . I know it wouldn’t be original but I think it would be more pleasing to the eye . Good running again . I never used to have derailments but the locos quite often stalled on the points even though cleaned with meths constantly , so your running is terrific . Joyous video of trainsets all year round but especially nostalgic at Christmas . Unfortunately unless someone gives me a big surprise there will be no red boxes for me this year . Anyway wishing you a very Merry Christmas and thanks for these nostalgic videos . Hugely enjoyable
Hi Russell, thanks again, hope you're enjoying the festive season. I know what you mean about the lining, I am always worried with a job like that that I may make more of a mess of than it's already in... Painting, relining and numbering I'm not that confident with. I have a number of models bought and put away with the sole purpose of getting around to painting lining numbering... but I keep putting off having a go. I did have a go with an AL1 Electric sometime ago, it turned out ok ish...
Take care.
Oscar
A thoroughly enjoyable video. I was doing something very similar earlier this week with my latest purchase. I had to do the same soldered joint and completely replace a brush as there was no carbon left.
Your video showed a few really useful tips that I’ll be using going forward. I’ll certainly be returning back to it.
Much like yourself it’s a model that I already had, I didn’t need, but I couldn’t help myself 😊
Thanks Tony for looking in, nice to hear hear you have been having fun with some of these old items, it's great fun and very rewarding.
All the best.
Oscar
Lovely elegant locomotive, the Princess Victoria. It runs very nicely after your service. Really interesting watching the maintenance process. I agree that models can be too clean! Most of mine are much more play worn than your beautiful collection but I'm very happy with them all the same. I've always had a problem with the Dublo goods depot, it's like they couldn't decide if they were modern and realistic or tinplate and toy like. I don't have a problem with those concepts separately but it seems weird to mix them together. Cheers Guy
Thanks Guy glad you enjoyed seeing that little bit of maintenance in action. It's nice to have the odd very nice condition example of a model or two, but it's definitely the play worn ones wear the fun is to be had.
Wish you all the best for the festive season.
Oscar
The 1959 catalogue was the first i got aged 6 in 1959.
Princess Victoria amazed ne ad it lavked the valve gesr of Lizzie and Royal.
I set was in thst cat, the DMU witg battery controller.
Amazing to yhink after 64 years Victotia runs as good as new.
No Chinese junk back them
Some information i looked up may be useful related to Triang and the Princess models.
The very useful publication Triang Railways - The First Ten Years has some very useful information on the development of the Princess model from 1951 to 1961 on page 10.
Driving wheels with see through spokes were introduced in 1961 for the Princess Elizabeth and Princess Royal. The green and maroon versions then.
The simplified Princess Victoria in black kept the solid wheels presumably then.
The more refined tension lock Mark 3 couplings were fitted as standard in 1959.
1957 was the only year the Princess model had no changes.
Just a tiny part of the useful information in that 116 page booklet RT.208. An RT prefix because it covers both the OO/HO and TT ranges.
Good morning, John, thanks again for looking in and the terrific information I had quite forgotten this book contained quite so much detail, it contains a terrific section on servicing as well.
Take care.
Oscar
A very good video showing your methods of doing maintenance on this locomotive here Oscar, might try some of these methods myself if they are necessary in the future, keep up the great work.
Hi David, thank you again for looking in, great to hear you found a video interesting.
All the best for the festive season.
Oscar
Great detailed video.
Great videos ,, still hunting for a terrific motor brush provider ,, today ,, my life story ,, all the best
Hi, thanks again for looking. Have you tried these people for brushes?
www.hornbytriangspareparts.co.uk/group/Brushes-Brush-Springs
Oscar
Good morning Oscar, it's Martin from Hull in the East Riding of Yorkshire. Well what can I say, ive just watched your wonderful video of your light cleaning session on the beautiful locomotive and coaches. You can really tell the difference once the maintenance is done. and the locomotive motor sounds quiter as it goes round the railway and the coaches look great after a spruce up. Well done Oscar, you've done a great job. Well, as always, I am going to have my cup of tea and toasted tea cake and i shall watch your video again. Keep safe Oscar and ill see you next week .🙂👍🚂🚃
Thank you Martin. Glad you enjoyed having a look at that, I find it very rewarding getting a model back into sensible running condition. This Princess, Victoria is going to be one of those lovely items to run on the railway, it will have a great deal of use on the railway over time just like the 2-6-2 tail loco I recently cleaned up.
Wish you and your family all the best for the festive season.
Oscar
Superb video thanks.
Thanks Gavin, glad you enjoyed that.
All the best.
Oscar
👍
Nice smooth running. Just shows what a good clean up can do! Does the parcel van have opening doors? It looks like it did.
Hi Graham, thanks again for looking in. The parcel van does have opening doors, I've included a link below to a site with pictures of it with its doors open.
All then best.
Oscar
www.tri-ang.co.uk/UtilityVan.htm
Oscar , Love what you did with 46205. It runs through all your points without stalling yet with pickups on only 2 driving wheels. Did you glean your knowledge of Triang mechanisms through their service sheets? Has the layout reached the end of its developments? regards Paul
Good evening Paul, thank you again for looking That Princess Victoria has turned out to be a great runner, the service sheets have been a great help working out how these items were supposed to look along with trial and error to begin with! There was also terrific help and enthusiasm from our local model railway shop helping me get an understanding of these items, sadly now closed down for several years. Layout probably not quite finished ! some refinement with the wiring to do over the coming months. I did hope to have time over my Christmas break to make some headway with it, but it doesn't look like it's going to work out that way, the track work is probably about where it's going to be, but I found I'm swapping bits out for better bits as time moves on to gradually improve the running.
All the best.
Oscar
I love your videos do keep up the good work. I have one of these princesses as well, I know it's a bit crass but do you mind me asking how much yours cost? Mine was 22 without box but runs nicely, I think my tender has more of it's lining but has lost half of the crest on one side.
Hi terrific to hear you have one of these Princess locomotives. The Princess in the video came in a job lot of very dusty play worn items for £30. I've got this from the Train Collectors Society show in November from there bring and buy stall.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley thanks :) one thing I was wondering was when did they switch from solid wheels to the ones you can see through? I've noticed some have raised raised nameplates.
My one has a smoke generator which sadly does not work even at full bore, it does get warm but not hot.
Could you 3D print some seats for the coaches?
Hi Oscar, I'm late making a comment today.. Most of my first locos had the solid wheels and Mk. 2 couplers? It was not until I got a T.C. version of the Dock Shunter, (my fourth loco), that I started to obtain stock with the Tension Lock couplers..
Unfortunately, there were a few problems with reliable running through points?
In those early days, the points went through a number of design changes, (I have 3 types in Standard track alone),? Sometimes the little contacts for the point blades, were easily put out of adjustment, resulting in poor electrical contact? Often the weight of the locos would affect this , causing intermittent pick-up faults while running over the points?
The other thing that would happen, was that the large plastic frogs would wear away quite quickly, and a wheel would 'dip down' on the worn surface, causing the other pick-up wheel to rise off of the rail? (A small cut out piece of plastic to fit into the frog and support the wheel flanges would help with this problem)? The frogs were riveted into some points and could be replaced, but I doubt that this was ever done often. (or even if spares S 5359 &
S 5172 were actually ever readily available)?
Mostly though, damage was caused by continual packing up and unpacking layouts, because most of us did not have "permanent layouts" in those days? (Only a very few)?
The great thing is that, despite a few problems, we all retained our love for these early excursions into model trains, and enjoy so much, revisiting them on your channel...
(or very few),
The very useful publication Triang Railways - The First Ten Years has some very useful information on the development of the Princess model from 1951 to 1961.
See through spokes were introduced in 1961 for the Princess Elizabeth and Princess Royal. The green and maroon versions then. The simplified Princess Victoria in black kept the solid wheels presumably then.
The more refined tension lock Mark 3 couplings were fitted as standard in 1959.
Just a tiny part of the useful information in that RT.208 116 page booklet.
Another important date was 1956 when the bodies are recorded as changing from unstable cellulose acetate to high impact polystyrene. Triang wanting a more stable long lasting plastic.
Hi John, Great book that? I still have my copy from new (a bit worn)..
I managed to get a really good copy as a gift for my grandson, who loves old Tri-ang.. My first locos were an R 52 Pacific & Tender, and an R152 Diesel Shunter and an R 57 & 58 (The Dummy and B unit, the R55 loco came much later).. The first two, both had solid wheels... Next came an R 157 Diesel Railcar and a R 253 Yard Switcher (my first loco with Tension lock couplers).. Eventually a second R 152 with Mk.3 couplers and a CKD Princess Elisabeth. This was my first loco with Magnadhesion and spoked wheels?... Those were the days? From 6 to 10 years old, were the best?...
Hi Robin, thanks for looking in, very interesting what you say about the replaceable frogs, it would be great to find some of those spare parts, just to look at of course, I could imagine quite a mess been made of the points, trying to remove frog retaining rivets. Just looked up the service sheet for those Standard track points and came across a copy of service sheet number 17 issued January 1959, and it also shows both left and right hand frogs with part numbers for series 3 points (S.5280 left / S.5281 right), interestingly both standard & series 3 service sheets show all the parts that make up the points with part numbers. As you say I wonder how many of these items were are available.
Wish you all the best for the festive season.
Oscar
The thought of having to remove the existing rivets, was enough to stop me from ever trying a frog replacement? I doubt if drilling them out would be successful? Perhaps some way of filing the tops off and then pressing them out with a thin punch may work in plastic?
I am too "heavy handed" to attempt this one I think, even if I ever found the replacement parts? It's enlightening to know that Tri-ang even had part numbers for them?
W😮W Oscar - I hr long - I think that is your longest Video ever!!! But a very good clean up of the Princess Victoria!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Thanks Jimyjames next weeks Video should be a little shorter..
Wish you all the best for the festive season.
Oscar