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Demonstrating the amount of strain on your wrists when using a Driver instead of an impact!
In the video you will see the wood spin very harshly! If the wood is fixed (clamped) Then this force would normally be on your wrists. If you was driving in screws of that size all day your hands and wrists wont like it!
So even though many people HATE the noise of impact drills! Think about your hands and wrists! They dont hate the noise! but they do HATE pain!
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by far, best drill/impact driver comparison I've seen!
I agree :)
Going to return the drill i just bought
Anyone else notice the bear come in at 1:47 ?
at first I thought it was a cat, closer to the camera.
Then it stopped making sense when I realized it was below the screw
I did not know the big difference between a driver and an impact, and your video was very didactic
And very clear, the injuries that one can suffer in the wrist when it uses the incorecta tool for the work to realize
Thanks for the video
lol injuries, maybe if you have girl wrists
You helped me make up my mind. I did actually see the difference. I am a hobbyist and think twice before I need something. Recently when I was putting a screw on 4x4 the same thing happened. I never knew the difference between a driver and a drill. I thought they all the same.This is a very good demonstration
glad it helped
The first day I got my Impact was the last day I used a Driver.
I like how you did a review on a drill that you exactly use all the time.
Always run across videos of guys saying they, they have been using their drill for X amount of years, and the drill looks like it just came out of the box.
After a week my drill didn't new anymore, and two years later it's still going strong.
Yeah I know what you are saying. I have watched some of those videos my self.
Although this video wasn't really comparing brands or power of the drills used in the video.
So wouldn't have mattered if they were brand new or not
I was just demonstrating the benefits on the hands and wrists when using impact driver because it reduces the force which a regular driver exerts onto the wrists.
As you can see in the video a large chunky timber spins off when using a regular driver this shows how much force would normally act onto user.
the main difference is: if you have larger screws than this one, an impact cannot do the job because the screw simply flexes and wont drive into the wood, you need the constant torque to drive in really long screws.
but indeed for most of the screws the impact does the better job (if the noise is no problem for you because an impact driver is extremely loud and not suiteable for every environment)
Well done, best example I've found so far. Putting your body on the line, too! :D
Good visual demonstration of both tools advantages and disadvantages, they both have their place though I wish I could afford festool myself ha ha ha. Have a good one man.
Perfect comparison , people struggling to differentiate .
Great demonstration. Thanks.
A very nice way to show Impact VS Driver. Great job ! But some just don't get it.lol
Wow. That's a game changer for every construction worker.
just bought a drill set and wondered the benifits of an impact drill, now I see them :) great video I'll be putting mine through its paces . cheers
drilling along side the fibers of to wood is actually easier than you think because the screw just pushes them aside vs. just drilling into the side of the fibers where you actually need to go threw them
So here is how this is working: the impact driver makes a lot of small rotational impacts, so the post has time to go back to its rest position on the table between each strike. With the festool cordless drill, the force is continuous in time, so it is (visibly) rotating along the horizontal axis.
The force exerted by the two screws on the post is the same however.
Very good demo of the torque effect.
Hey sorry I think you might of missed the point sorry. This video was made for a web site called FESTOOLOWNERSGROUP aka- FOG
The Video was not to show how powerfull the Festool was over the Milwuakee but to show what Benefits a Impact has over a drill/driver which happens to be my Festool drill.
As you can see in the video driving the large screw takes no effort with an impact but with a drill/driver (my festool drill) it puts alot of strain on your wrists hence why the timber spun.
Superb video, perfectly demonstrated the difference.
This is a good video for a new or youngster trying to make a decision on his or her next tool. To me the impact driver is best tool for the task he was trying to explain. Although the comments are good too to make aware to the new or youngster of the dangers of not clamping down the 4x4.
beautiful demonstration
With an impactdriver even a kid can screw in large screws with a normal driver its very difficult to hold against
no i knew that the video was to show the difference between the impact and drill i was just saying about festool being one of the best makes out n how good there equipment is ill have to check out the FOG. thanks
Great video and demonstration of the two
Wow great video, I'm off to buy an impact driver
its impact VS drill not driver. The correct name for this video should be impact driver VS a drill, am I wrong?
DeepOne It is driver vs driver. Drill driver vs Impact driver. The combination drill can act as a drill OR a driver.
***** exactly my point but it is not as you have it, impact VS driver... thats wrong...
Mountain Lion he's not using it as a drill though.... at best your point should be impact driver vs combo drill/driver
dannydelacruz3 that is more accurate than impact vs driver.
it looks like a driver dressed like a drill !
take a closer look at the chuck
very nicely demonstrated
Simple and straight forward, getting one impact driver now.
I am assuming the power drill is set to the screw function and not drill function. Good comparison but there's another issue with the drill: "caming out" where the screw head gets ruined.
Good demonstration video. Now I know what I should buy. Thanks
Kelley Tran you will need a drill and an impact driver if you can only have one go with a drill.
you can get a chuck for an impact on ebay for 10 bux
festool good make !!!! i think they have recently bought out an impact be interesting to see how good it is compared to the milwaukee. good video keep them comming !!
How is it possible that you were able to hold the screw in your hand straight after using it... It should have been piping hot!?
The heat would be concentrated at the tip and going with the grain is less pressure.
Im solid! Heat ppft ill walk on fire bear footed no problem.
Its a thick long screw ;) So the heat spreads across the screw so it only get very warm.
good demo. I'm off to buy an impactor
1:49 the dogs eating the sawdust 😂
I am getting an impact driver
Jesus was a Carpenter mc
I'm convinced , but that driver will still be useful in a pinch.
Yes, if you only wanted to spend money on one, a drill/driver would still do the job. Also if you only intend to use it around your home for minor repairs/screws then a drill/driver would be better, as you get both in one.
What the heck do they use 15 inch screws on?
Mainly frame work and roofs. I only use screws for roofing. Your not aloud to use nail gun nails against building regs.
So its either large nails by hand or plates.
I rather use screws but you are not aloud to use regular screws because they can snap.
You have to use structural screws like the ones in the video. You can get them from 80mm upto 600mm long i think. My common sizes i use are 80mm 120mm 160mm and 220mm.
They make for a strong solid roof and pull your joints up lovely. Also if you have to make alterations you can easily do this by unscrewing them. You can get them in stainless steel so perfect for oak frame work. They are not cheap however in alot of situations you can use them instead of mortise and tenon because they are structural screws. So the time you save to cut a mortise and tenon in oak of sets the cost of the stainless screws.
Thanks for the explanation, but I still don't understand. If you are attaching let's say plywood to a 2x6 rafter, why do you need such a long screw? I can't imagine any residential job, make that *any* job, that would require a two foot screw!
+Pro1er
No you would never use these large screws for plywood. Different regulations you would have to nail plywood with nail gun for structural jobs. You can use regular screws with plywood for non structural jobs.
These screws are for timbers so joining two timbers together. So for example rafters can be fixed to wall plate and/or perlins . A rather could be 150mm deep so you would require a 220+mm screw and bore it in a bit. So you pull the rafter in fixing it solid to wall plate and/or perlin.
When doing floor joists and trimming the floor joist you can use these screws instead of using joist hangers.
Another example is decking
Ill post a link
+Pro1er
Quick video demonstrating the heco screws. Same brand screws i used.
th-cam.com/video/6z52vcRxvyg/w-d-xo.html
That's a cool video, thanks, but I really would rather use plates for that kind of work - impressive what one screw can hold none the less.
I still use them both, they are different alternatives towards the same purpose.....
Ill get hold of the Festool Impact drill Next week! Ill do a video comparison Festool Impact VS Milwaukee Impact sooo to stay tuned!
thank for information
Well done, Thanks. Tim.
blimey thats a looooooong screw
That's what she said...Yeah, I'll close the door on my way out.
@@alpachino468 why are you leaving? tell us more good jokes
very good demo here mate! although i little bit scared to see ur hands twisted when using regular driver.. thats a bad idea.. thx for nice demo, lucky for ur hands not being hurt 😂
I have a question and I am hoping you can help. Impact drivers are not available in my country so I would have to import one, pay international shipping, customs duty, and value added tax, which would make it about 4 times the cost of the impact driver in the US, which sadly is not affordable for me.
We do however have basic cordless drill drivers. I do very basic DIY work when I get the time (which isn't much at all) and I have been just driving screws by hand. I generally work with 3/4 inch plywood, and use 2" screws for it, do you think a drill driver will be fine for me? I know it won't be ideal, but I can't afford ideal at the moment.
If I had to count, I would say I drive in no more than 30 screws a year at the moment, but I am looking to build a wardrobe and was considering saving some time by picking up a drill driver.
A drill driver will be fine. Impacts are for large and long screws mainly
I'm just curious, which country is that?
ill be waiting for the festool vs milwauke review !!!!
i don't know if im missing point here your saying about strain on your wrist turn the clutch on the drill-driver off drill mode then fool
You clearly have no understand of how a drill works. Engaging the clutch on the driver would only cause the drill to come to a stop when the clutch reaches its maximum torque/counter force. You would then be unable to drive the screw in and be left with a large screw sticking out so what's the point??
+jmb69er You are correct, im faced with that problem all the time, even with my new Makita Combi Drill as a hobby user. It doesnt take a big screw/bolt before you need to use the drill mode in my experience. Today I ordered an Impact Driver. Will come in handy, also nice to have one to drive screws without getting tired out and one to pre drill for instance.
Nice video and demonstration for what an impact can do.
Intelligent video. Thanks.
nice demo buddy :)
What types of tool is batter for longer screw driver or impact
Impact
@@jmb69ercan we use impact wranch as this work i mean for screw work?
I'm dying to get my hands on one for working on the car. I'm hoping to get something with enough torque to get the wheel nuts (lug nuts for the US) off for around £100 - £150. Any recommendations? It's only for home use, so not looking for something bullet-proof or extended battery life, so battery chemistry (Ni-Cad / Li-ion) isn't that much of an issue.
You want get anything special for that kinda money. You would have to spend more.
Also you want a impact wrench not driver for removing car nuts. The impacts in the video are drivers not wrenches although they are similar they are not
I don't understand why lumber is turning around. Eventually both of them turning screw.
cxaner the impact hits the screw round to it reduces rotation force. So the timber doesn’t have chance to rotate.
If the timber was fixed then this force would be on your wrists
jmb69er yes, wrist theory is sensible
Textbook example of how bad drills are for driving long screws in wood!
which one is impact .. ??
which one is the driver .. ??
rudi aja Milwaukee impact
Festool driver
@@jmb69er ..txs bro...
Thank's Bro---I'M Understand Now....
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
Nice comparison. That was a loooooong screw :)
thats wat ya wife said after i left
th-cam.com/video/vkn5rrMVf7I/w-d-xo.html That is a long screw (Minute 45 and following...)
R.I.P to the wrist
What drill did you use to bore the holes?
I see, you did not pre-drill the holes, my god, I'm shocked!!!!
O, I see your point.
did you all notice he was wearing a festool jacket? He's not bias...
Not sure what you are getting at......
I'm wearing a festool top yet the video indicates the Milwaukee impact is the better drill for the job.
Any way the video isn't about which brand is the best it's about which TYPE of drill is the best for this application. A impact drill is less strain on your hands and wrists when driving in larger screws. The timber spinning is a big indication that their is a much larger counter force when driving the screw in. If this timber was fixed down this force would be transferred to your wrists instead of the timber spinning.
I'm supporting the fact that youre making an honest non-bias video other than some other reviewers that openly show their biasness to certain brands!!!!! Certain festool reviewers bash every other brand, some also rate dewalt higher than other brands because they like certain brands...
Sorry I miss understood what you was saying.
Apologies
bias?? whats that??
woww strong impact...
That's great!
Hello!
Milwaukee type ? Torque ?
Thangs.
LandCruiser Toyota
Dont bother its old and its shit worst impact drill i had. Milwaukee, Panasonic, Dewalt, Makita all make better impact drills
Common safety measures man, didn't even clamped his piece, almost ended up breaking his wrist..
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Me too
I just ordered a milwaukee impact drill.. 3000 rpms! 1,800 lbs of TORQUE !!
+Alex Dicaprio Have you still got arms left to type with after buying that? Haha.
Lmfao! 😂👌
You will love it
Have you broken your wrists yet??
1800 nm impact feels like 50 nm driver, you clearly have no idea what are you talking about
I love my Milwaukee.
I have added a link to the Post I was referring in the description area! Check FOG out
you nearly broke your wrist
nuff said
going with the grain isn't that hard
Vince Neil and your point is?
I think he's trying to say "going with the grain isn't that hard."
it's just easy people stop marry to a brand . I bet if he use a festol impact was same result the point here is better use impact to drive screws not drills I'm making a wood ladder and belive me the struggle is real with a normal drill/driver
..why so much fuss for a really simple conclusion? ;) Just use the suitable tool for the job! An impact driver will hardly drill rpecise holes a combi driver CAN, while an impact drill can probably screw screws (mainly, only..) that a combi-driver will struggle/break/twist your wrist... but you can snap so many screws with an impact...
Impact is for torque applied suddenly the screws, nuts ... gives the operator THE IMPRESSION that is very powerful when actually is the snapping mechanism inside that does the job by HAMMERING the screw to death..
..I would never tight cars wheels with an impact gun/impact if I care about the car.
Infact, every good wheel nut/screw is suited for this impact action.
If you use an impact driver, you should use impact rated bits and nuts/screws/bolts.
Socrate Disciple's
Turning suddenly surely. not big hammering. Only for big skrews
Just tighten them slightly with impact, then use torque wrench
Those are some bif screws.
...use the clamps, Luke... It was painful to watch!
Unless the goal was to made the point?
Enough said.
Who the hell films a public information video but keeps the radio on in the background? D'oh!
Alan George Barstow what’s the problem
The problem is that the inane radio soundtrack is off-putting and detracts from a reasonably decent informative video.
So this proves festool is a wast of money, 10x the price for something that performs worse
Impact is best
Good demo but WTF is he saying.....no idea?
2:30 well that is not a problem sine 99% of the work surfaces are attached...
You don't get it. One drill spins the the timber the other doesn't. That's because one is an impact one is just a driver.
The reason the timber spins because there is more force acting against the drill when driving the screw in. This force either tries to turn your hand round or twist your wrists or the timber spins round! if like you said the timber is fixed all the force acts onto your hand/wrist if you are driving screws in all day long it gets very hard on your hands and wrist. Hence why an impact drill is much better on your hands and wrist because it eliminates the counter acting force. Which is shown in this video
jmb69er Your explanation of why the beam twists is mostly correct, but its a little vague. Its mostly due to impulse, inertia and the coefficients of static and kinetic friction than it does torque. Impact drivers of the same voltage output much more torque than a drill/driver, the difference lies in the impacting mechanism. An impact driver delivers its force over a very short period of time, and it has more inertia due to the hammer/anvil system inside of the tool, which reduces the reactionary torque on your hands. It takes a certain amount of torque to turn the screw, and the deeper the screw goes, the more torque it takes. Imagine there are two screws at the same depth in the same piece of lumber, but one screw is already rotating and the other is stationary. It will take more torque to make the stationary screw turn because the coefficient of static friction is higher than the coefficient of kinetic friction. This is where the impact mechanism comes into play. because it delivers a high force over a short period of time, it breaks the screw free and dumps most of the energy into the screw, which has much less inertia than the tool does, so the screw turns instead of the impact driver. A drill/driver on the other hand applies its power slowly, so when it reaches the point where the amount of torque required to turn the screw is higher than the moment of inertia of the beam and screw times the angular acceleration of the beam and screw, either the beam begins to turn or the tool begins to turn. A simplified explanation is to think of driving a nail into a board. If you hit the nail with a hammer with 10 newtons of force the nail will go deeper than if you simply set a 10 newton weight on the nail. This is because the hammer has more momentum than the weight and it transfers the energy over a shorter period of time.
jmb69er How ever you should be wary of the vibration the impacting causes as it could damage the nerve endings in your hands (though scientifically still unproven but there is the chance there) , that said I am pretty sure a drill would do more harm as it puts far more strain on the wrists. So might want to wear thick insulating gloves.
Driver vs impact driver
wow, could of broke your wrist
bullshit. hand automatically let go drill.
Hahahaha.
Clamp the wood
you have to eat more man :))))
fail...
your right hand will surely thank you😀😉😃😃🙃🤔😐😑😲😓🙁☹😢😭😭😭😭🙃
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Why is there a specific driver just for driving screws/lags. It seems pointless if there are impact drivers and drill/drivers available. A drill/driver does the same job as that driver but can also drill holes and is much more versatile.
Adam Morrow 😂
Not even the same specs. A drill cannot give the same torque as a impact driver. Even in hammer mode. Hammer mode is no where close the breaking force of a dedicated impactor.
I agree. a disgrace to festool and need to stop using power tools before you cause you're harm. you just don't have a clue
Have you ever heard of using clamps to hold the wood down ?
Allen Jackson are you born without a brain?
@jmb69er, cool down man.....😉
Lol
Pilot hole plus driver plus clamps=☺
You clearly don't understand the video then
Hahhahaha Workaholics
haha really funny.