Walking around you see Royal Cypher everywhere, lamp posts, post boxes, pillars, and bollards. Always interesting to decipher them and work out how long something has been there for. The postbox in Dorset was installed in 1853.
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I wish people would stop saying the word coronated when talking about a Monarchs' coronation. They are crowned at a coronation. Coronated means crown-shaped.
I first heard it said by an American and was miffed. Never heard anyone British saying it until now. it's just plain wrong! As you say, the word is crowned.
Coronate" means "having/wearing a crown." "To coronate" is American English for "to crown." So, Christine, the American was right to say "coronate" because that's what it is in American English. So its usage in reference to the coronation is correct.
@@adambattersby8934 At a coronation, a monarch is crowned, not coronated. If Christine put a crown on her head, we could say she is coronated. However we're not talking about Christine getting a crown on her head, we're talking a bout a monarch getting a crown on their head, which is called being crowned. Not coronated.
Over the years we have become very accustomed to having E II R on everything from mail vans and boxes to policemen's helmets. Queen Elizabeth II's cypher became so familiar I almost didn't notice it, but subliminally it quietly conveyed solidity, authority and tradition - perhaps a reflection of the Queen's long reign and the great respect and affection in which she was held. I will always be fond of E II R, but I think King Charles III cypher is elegant and inspiring. God Save the King 👑
@@adambattersby8934 This concept is, of course, total nonsense. The late Queen was not technically Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom either. She was the first Elizabeth of the UK and, as such should have just been ER without any number. She chose (as was her right) to adopt the style Elizabeth II, and all parts of the UK (and her realms) should recognise her as such. No Scot would refuse to accept a pound coin just because it states Elizabeth II.
Elizabeth II cypher was simply EIIR Elizabeth the second Regina (Latin for Queen), but Latin for King is Rex so the "R" still works for Charles too. Damn he covered that @7:38 oh well, I'm not deleting it... You can still see many examples of the royal seal/iconography in the UK, from postboxes to government departments, law courts, police stations, it used to be in train stations and post-offices... Some older post boxes even have previous monarchs on them, they don't switch them when the monarch changes, they stay with the one that was reigning at the time of going into service... Put simply they won't be replacing everything, if nothing else it would be disrespectful to wipe Queen Elizabeths influence out after her death. New emblems will carry the new iconography but there isn't going to be a mass replacement, like money will change, but the current currency will remain legal tender for a long time. _The postbox believed to be the oldest in Scotland, is a wall box which sits on the front of the Golspie Inn (formerly the Sutherland Arms Hotel); it carries the royal cypher of Queen Victoria and dates back to 1861_
I can remember a fair amount of both King George ' s and a few Queen Victoria postboxes and railings being around in my younger days , there are probably still a few around now .Coins used to be a mixed bag as well but they were changed when decimal coinage was introduced so for all that time the Queen has been the only monarch to appear .
They don't replace the post boxes, there are still GR post boxes (George VI, the queens dad). In a lot of cases, it's only new stuff that'll have the new cipher.
I could be wrong, but not all cyphers of EIIR will be replaced. Obviously they will be on uniforms, the throne, government buildings, etc. However some will remain! There are some places in the UK (postboxes for example) which still have the cypher of her father George VI . On the Channel Islands there are the first postboxes still with the Queen Victoria cypher. Hence, not every single thing is replaced with the cypher of King Charles III.
Part of Elizabeth's reason for choosing the version of the crown with bowed arches was because her mother was a Lady from the Bowes family (an earl's daughter, in fact). A nice way for a queen to celebrate the feminine side of her lineage.
This was interesting. I didn't know it was called a cypher. I agree that monograms are less common than they were at one time. My grandparents had monogrammed coasters. Their last name began with an A and their names were Florence and Regis so the coasters said "FAR" diagonally in a Times New Roman-ish font (before anyone knew that term, of course). I'm guessing they were made in the 1960s or 1970s.
Love the new Cipher - it is going to be so strange seeing new passports, stamps and the hundreds of other little items in the UK gradually change over. It's always a fun game with children when passing a post box to check out the cipher as really old ones have Queen Victoria's Cipher.
The Isle of Man is a beautiful place to look at with lots of viking headstones, early castles and of course the TT races, the most dangerous races in the world.
Charles' cypher will appear as and when needed, those on buildings will only change if not part of the stonework, still George IV, William IV and VR on some, uniforms will change with new issue although epaulettes and badges can be done very quickly like the badge on PC's helmets. This years Christmas postage stamps will bear the silhouette image of the late queen as they were approved by her and printed months ago. The same with Bank notes and coins, they will only change on new designs so will take time to be in common circulation. The new coins will have Charles III not the Latin Carolus III (would have been Carolvs, using Roman/Latin letters) as it was standard to use all Latin in the inscription on the face/head side of coins in the past. Thrones will just be recovered not new ones as some are very old antiquities.
The King's great-grandmother, Queen Mary had, to my mind, one of the nicest balanced cyphers which was a traditional design. It all depends on the person's initials as to the artistic quality of the design.
ER II stands for Elizabeth Regina the 2nd, Regina is Latin for Queen and King Charles is CR III for Charles Rex the 3rd and Rex is the male equivalent for Regina but Latin for King .
This was really interesting. I think I might design my own cipher to go on my Christmas Cards!! I like the way you ask sensible questions and try and work out for yourself, based on existing knowledge, the answers. I like listening to your reasoning - and your US accent. Where are you from?
They won’t replace everything. The town I live in still has post boxes from Queen Victoria’s reign and have her VR cypher on them. They won’t change on existing buildings either. They are part of history and will remain. Any new postboxes will have the new cypher.
Put simply, where permanently installed on the thing they are applied to, EIIR ciphers will not be replaced, but where they can be removed without much trouble (e.g. by unbolting or unscrewing them), they will, unless whoever is responsible cannot be bothered.
Many objects bearing the royal monogram do not need to be replaced as, in those cases, it merely signifies under whose reign the object was made. That is the case with post boxes: only new post boxes will have the current sovereign's cypher: the existing ones will remain unchanged until they come to the end of their natural life. Some existing post boxes are well over 100 years old and have the "VR" monogram (Queen Victoria, reigned 1837-1901). That is not the case with the throne, however, or should I say "thrones" as there are more than one. There's a throne in each of the royal palaces, there will be one at the Coronation (not the same chair as the one in which the sovereign is crowned which is known as King Edward's Chair) in Westminster Abbey and one in the House of Lords (which, of course, is part of a royal palace, that of Westminster). I think they will all need to be altered or replaced to show the CRIII cypher. The same will apply to military and other uniforms, presumably.
Very interesting, Queen Mary's son was King James VI & I. He became king of Scotland in 1567 after Mary was forced to abdicate and then King of England after Elizabeth's death 1603. Makes sense she would be ER I in Scotland.
I'm most curious for when the depiction of the Tudor Crown appears on the front of our passorts, its gonna be so strange. I was quite frustrated though when it was shown that coins will say Charles III instead of Carolus III. The inscription on the obverse of our coins are, by tradition, meant to bear the title of the monarch in latin, which should be Carolus III, Dei Gratia, Rex, Fidei Defensor, meaning Charles III, by the Grace of God, King, Defender of the Faith. There is also supposed to be a ring of dots around the outer edge of the coin encircling the portrait of the monarch, which is called Beading, however that was abandoned in the 2008 coin redesign. Shame, I find it a quite attractive feature.
The Toronto Transit Commission's logo he went over is one I've always hated having used the service countless times. It could be so easily fixed too but they've never bothered to change it in a whole century of operation
There won't be an issue with Charles III being designated as such in Scotland, as each of the earlier Charles (I and II) were Stuart kings of the Great Britain, and thus were Scots. BTW, Canada, Australia, NZ will be having their own new Carolian cyphers. You know the adjective from Elizabeth was Elizabethan, well from Charles the adjective is Carolian.
Charles I and Charles II were not kings of Great Britain; they were kings of England and, separately, kings of Scotland, and Ireland. Great Britain came into existence in law in 1707 when the crowns of England and Scotland were united, and the separate parliaments of England and Scotland became one. Prior to this, Great Britain was a geographical term that simply meant larger or greater Britain. Postally, Scotland was usually referred to as N.B. (North Britain) until well into the 20th century
Hey Tyler - it's actually very clever that the Tudor crown - which was of England ONLY (except that it included Wales and the Lordship of Ireland,) has been used alongside a second cypher that uses the Scottish crown instead - because by making use of two cyphers using these two crowns, an important historical fact is pictorially demonstrated... This is that while King James VI of Scotland, as the most senior, legitimate, protestant male member of the Scottish Royal House of Stuart rightfully succeeded the childless Queen Elizabeth I (Tudor) as King James I of England; it was only the crowns that were united in his personal union and that of his son, Charles I and of his grandson, Charles II and as later established by acts of parliament. The kingdoms of Scotland and England were not politically united until 1707 and therefore - while both Scotland and England have had two kings named Charles in the past - who were in the same people; the United Kingdom [which didn't exist as a Sovereign State during either of their reigns], has NOT had a King Charles before! Independence for Scotland has become a major political hot potato within the UK for the past couple of decades. A referendum held in 2014 on "Should Scotland be an Independent Country YES or NO," seemed to seriously worry the UK Government and others during the final weeks of its campaign as the penny dropped that it might actually succeed - but in the event, only 45% of the Scottish electorate voted yes, and it failed. Despite this, almost everyone from all sides of the argument agreed that it was almost certainly now "a case of when and not if." it would eventually go ahead. The UK Government then stated that the referendum had been "a once-in-a-generation" opportunity to vote for independence but, did not clearly define this. Alex Salmond, the veteran leader of the Scottish National Party also retired and was succeeded by his deputy, Nicola Sturgeon, who has remained First Minister of Scotland ever since and has declared that a further referendum will be held in October 2023 - for which the UK Government has refused 'permission' and in consequence, the Scottish Government has lodged an Appeal to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom - the verdict of which is expected to be announced during the spring of 2023... The supporters of Independence have two main arguments. The first is, the policy of the UK government at the time was to remain the in EU. Less than a year later however, a change in that policy (by the same political party we might add - they of three PM's in a year fame,) brought about another referendum in which the UK overall voted to leave the EU - even though large parts of it including almost all of Scotland, had voted to remain. Many people who had voted NO in the 2014 independence referendum now openly stated they had only done so because they had been assured by the UK government that it was the best way of ensuring they remained in the EU - and that they would now vote YES if the independence referendum were to take place again! The other issue is that in the continued absence of any kind of proportional representation in the UK Electoral System, it almost doesn't matter who Scotland votes for, they still get the Tories - which most of them are vehemently opposed to the policies of... (Indeed, for some years, only one of the 59 UK Parliamentary seats in Scotland was held by that party...). The Labour Party, that is the other main UK political party, has aligned itself more closely to the Tories in recent years and seems to have lost favour in Scotland - whose vote they would normally need to win a majority in the House of Commons. Indeed, they have dropped to 4th place within the Scottish Government - mainly because they too oppose Independence. The Scottish National Party, meanwhile, has moved into Labour's former centre-left position on the political map.
Well, the more permanent ciphers stay as is - there is a postbox near my old house with a Queen Victoria cypher on it. But as new items get made or things replaced, the new cypher will get rolled out.
Although the Queens EIIR cypher is fairly simple it is probably one of the biggest brand symbols across the globe and being simple means just one quick glance and most people in the commonwealth if not the globe would know who it stood for .
Since he made this video, Camilla, Queen Consort's cipher has been released. The 'old' cipher's won't be removed from permanent locations- they will be changed as things are replaced- so new Post Boxes will have Charles's one, but our older postboxes still sport the cipher of the monarch who reigned when they were made.
Scottish Independence is certainly still “a thing”. Despite losing the referendum in 2014 the Scottish National Party Want to hold a new one next year. Part of the promise made to the Scottish people was that is they voted against Independence they would remain in the European Union. Just as soon a the ink was dry on the ballot sheet they they head a vote on Europe BREXIT and low and behold they were dragged out of Europe despite every single region in Scotland voting to remain in Europe. 😢. Lots you to delve into for a future video.
Yip and we get a public holiday for the coronation on 09 May 2023. Heraldry indeed. The Cipher is the Monarchs. The Monarchy is not a person but an entity.
The queen's cypher is on all of the British pound notes. The coins don't have them but the notes all do, so we're all so used to having that one. But we also don't really care at all that it's getting changed either.
they don't replace everything with the new cypher. logo's witrh the cypher on are changed but postboxes and other public buildigns keep the cypher of the reign they where built under. there's a recent ammount of GR post boxes where i live, which is Goerge VII
There is a lot of very unhappy history between England and Scotland. As he said, Elizabeth the first was English and Protestant, and Scotland had their own Queen , Mary, who was Roman Catholic. Religion played a huge part in all this and to some extent, still does. When James the sixth of Scotland was king, the two countries were united ( legally anyway) he became James the first of England. There was a time of war between the two countries, and the border kept changing for some time. Ove the next centuries English landowner sliving in Scotland wanted to have the countryside cleared for sheep rearing and suchlike, meaning that families were thrown out of their homes to make way for it. Check out the clearances. There are many in Scotland who now want their independance from the UK, for those historical reasons and the fact that Scottish interests are not well served by the British government in London. I can imagine Charles having something to say in the future of all this.
The crowns of England and Scotland were not united until 1707. James VI of Scotland also became King of England in 1603, but the two countries had separate parliaments. The "union" was a personal one; just like Charles III is king of the UK and, separately, the King of Canada. It was not a political union, even though King James dearly wanted it to be so; and he ordered his heralds to come up with a flag that reflected this. Hence the Union Flag.
The “clearances” were of the Scottish Highlands, and did not affect most of the Scottish population, but many of the Highlanders were Roman Catholic, and they were disproportionately affected. Very few of those doing the clearances were English, rather they were Scottish noblemen, often Protestant Lowlanders, who were as eager as, or more so than, the English to rid their lands of those likely to support Catholicism or be Jacobite sympathizers.
E II R = Elizabeth 2 (the second) Regina. This video confuses the State (St.Edwards) and Scottish crowns which are two distinct physical entities. The Imperial (Tudor) Crown is only used at the moment of coronation, and the State (NOT the Scottish) for all other occasions (except in Scotland). Whilst actual usage is the same, the Imperial is used as the symbol of male monarchs and the State (again NOT the Scottish) as the symbol of female monarchs. This is perhaps a leftover of the bias towards male monarchs. This may change in future as the rules of ascension were changed a few years ago to equalise gender - ie. first born, not first born male. The Scottish Crown is used only in Scotland.
The crown on King Charles's non-Scottish cypher is known as tge Tudor crown: it no longer exists: it was tge state crown of England until it was destroyed in 1649 after the beheading of King Charles I. A replica of it in cheaper materials exists and is displayed at Hampton Court Palace. As it was an English crown, it cannot feature on the King's Scottish cypher which uses the Scottish crown (which does still exist) instead. Queen Elizabeth's cypher featured St Edward's crown which is regarded as a British crown, having been used at coronations after the Union of 1707.
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Different crowns are one for King and one Queen. Even in Canada every military branch and trade will get new badges because they will need the “Kings” crown on them now.
@@neuralwarp Perhaps I was to basic and generalized. Yes, the actual style may vary but, they all have had slight variations over the centuries. The Kings crown tends to be more rounded at the top vs a Queens.
You may have noticed there's a Royal Air Force and a Royal Navy, but no Royal Army; because they were sent to the naughty step for being bad. My question for someone out there, I couldn't find an answer or I'm too lazy to look very much, does the British Army use the royal cypher and , if it does, why isnt it called the royal army?
The British Army traces its origin to the New Model Army, created by the great Oliver Cromwell, later Lord Protector. While individual regiments and corps within it often have the word “Royal” in their title, the Army as a whole is just “The Army”. It is a matter of tradition, not of being put on the naughty step.
The royal cypher appears on some army cap badges (Royal Engineers, the Military Police for example). It's not called the Royal Army because, historically, the Army was not a single force. It comprised numerous regiments that were often named after the noblemen who formed them. Many individual regiments have/had royal in the title: Royal Army Service Corps; Royal Army Medical Corps etc. The Royal Air Force was formed by the merger of the Royal Flying Corps (a regiment of the British Army) and the Royal Naval Air Service (a branch of the Navy). It was therefore logical that it should be known as the Royal Air Force when it came into being in 1918.
Just to be a pedant, the video you are watching refers to the chairs that have cyphers as thrones. There is only one actual throne and it’s the seat in the House of Lords from where the Queen, and now the King read their address to parliament. Everything else is just a chair. 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧
E R Elizabeth REX they will change the ER all over UK policeman’s hats , buildings anything with ER even the Curtains at Royal Opera House Covent Garden some ER ‘s they will leave not remove , the person who designed the new King Charles coin designed the cypher The monarch chooses the design Love the story of the postbox ,there has always been friction England and Scotland like France and England 🙄but I believe in Scottish Independence just my opinion (l’m a Brit ). Love your opinions 🤷♀️
The Kingdoms of Great Britain and Northern Ireland were united by a Scottish king, so it's funny that the Scottish National Party keep on trying to break it up....plus Scotland already rejected leaving the UK several times now, Nichola just wants to keep on having referendums until she gets the result she wants!
The kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland were united in 1801 in the reign of King George III. Thus, the United Kingdom is younger than the United States. If Scotland were to secede from the United Kingdom, the UK would still exist. If Northern Ireland were to leave, then the United Kingdom would cease to exist. The state would then revert to its pre-1801 status and be simply Great Britain.
No problem with Charles III as previous Charles were House of Stuart (Scottish) . Regarding independence, they have been calling for that since unification. An issue that waxes and wains, they had a referendum in 2014 when voted remain won, but still it rolls on. Due to the Barnet formula they get more money per capita than England, but that's another story.
It rolls on because the facts on the ground have changed. The people of Scotland voted to stay in the UK because 1) they were content with the then current devolution settlement and 2) they were told that if they left then they would also be kicked out of the EU and would have to reapply to join. Then Brexit happened. Now we have an English Tory government that is dismantling devolution and forcing Anglo-centric Unionism on the people of Scotland AND Scotland is out of the EU. Even though the Scots voted wholeheartedly to remain. So, you should ask yourself this: Why should the people of Scotland put up with this?
A “logo” is simply an abbreviated generalization of “logotype” or “logogram” (a logotype predominantly uses letters, numbers, or words; a logogram predominantly uses other abstract or pictorial symbols). A cypher is a subset of logotype employing only initials and, sometimes, a number. A monogram is a cypher where two or more initials are incorporated to form a single integrated design. All of these are “logos”, true, but to dismiss all the other terminology in a desire to reach the lowest common denominator is both facile and stupid.
Walking around you see Royal Cypher everywhere, lamp posts, post boxes, pillars, and bollards. Always interesting to decipher them and work out how long something has been there for. The postbox in Dorset was installed in 1853.
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I wish people would stop saying the word coronated when talking about a Monarchs' coronation. They are crowned at a coronation. Coronated means crown-shaped.
I first heard it said by an American and was miffed. Never heard anyone British saying it until now. it's just plain wrong! As you say, the word is crowned.
Coronate" means "having/wearing a crown."
"To coronate" is American English for "to crown." So, Christine, the American was right to say "coronate" because that's what it is in American English.
So its usage in reference to the coronation is correct.
@@adambattersby8934 At a coronation, a monarch is crowned, not coronated. If Christine put a crown on her head, we could say she is coronated. However we're not talking about Christine getting a crown on her head, we're talking a bout a monarch getting a crown on their head, which is called being crowned. Not coronated.
@@christinestromberg4057 He wasn't British, he was Swedish, so you still haven't heard anyone British saying “coronated”.
@White Dwarf You have to remember that American English is the simplified version of English
Over the years we have become very accustomed to having E II R on everything from mail vans and boxes to policemen's helmets. Queen Elizabeth II's cypher became so familiar I almost didn't notice it, but subliminally it quietly conveyed solidity, authority and tradition - perhaps a reflection of the Queen's long reign and the great respect and affection in which she was held.
I will always be fond of E II R, but I think King Charles III cypher is elegant and inspiring. God Save the King 👑
E II R is iconic
@@frenetic1057 It really is. It looks so stunning on the tunics of the Beefeaters at the Tower of London.
They don't have EIIR up in Scotland on anything because she was technically Elizabeth I in Scotland.
@@adambattersby8934 This concept is, of course, total nonsense. The late Queen was not technically Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom either. She was the first Elizabeth of the UK and, as such should have just been ER without any number. She chose (as was her right) to adopt the style Elizabeth II, and all parts of the UK (and her realms) should recognise her as such. No Scot would refuse to accept a pound coin just because it states Elizabeth II.
Exactly
We had a VR post box where I grew up in Scotland!!
Elizabeth II cypher was simply EIIR Elizabeth the second Regina (Latin for Queen), but Latin for King is Rex so the "R" still works for Charles too. Damn he covered that @7:38 oh well, I'm not deleting it...
You can still see many examples of the royal seal/iconography in the UK, from postboxes to government departments, law courts, police stations, it used to be in train stations and post-offices...
Some older post boxes even have previous monarchs on them, they don't switch them when the monarch changes, they stay with the one that was reigning at the time of going into service... Put simply they won't be replacing everything, if nothing else it would be disrespectful to wipe Queen Elizabeths influence out after her death. New emblems will carry the new iconography but there isn't going to be a mass replacement, like money will change, but the current currency will remain legal tender for a long time.
_The postbox believed to be the oldest in Scotland, is a wall box which sits on the front of the Golspie Inn (formerly the Sutherland Arms Hotel); it carries the royal cypher of Queen Victoria and dates back to 1861_
Always enjoy your videos. Your enthusiasm and curiosity show no signs of waning. Good stuff!
I can remember a fair amount of both King George ' s and a few Queen Victoria postboxes and railings being around in my younger days , there are probably still a few around now .Coins used to be a mixed bag as well but they were changed when decimal coinage was introduced so for all that time the Queen has been the only monarch to appear .
They don't replace the post boxes, there are still GR post boxes (George VI, the queens dad).
In a lot of cases, it's only new stuff that'll have the new cipher.
I could be wrong, but not all cyphers of EIIR will be replaced. Obviously they will be on uniforms, the throne, government buildings, etc. However some will remain! There are some places in the UK (postboxes for example) which still have the cypher of her father George VI . On the Channel Islands there are the first postboxes still with the Queen Victoria cypher. Hence, not every single thing is replaced with the cypher of King Charles III.
I love your curiosity!I'm British and learning from some of these films too x
That Cipher is everywhere!! The red postboxes all have Queen Elizabeth’s cipher!
Really liked this video! I think the new cypher is beautiful, but I am also glad that some things will retain Queen Qlizabeth’s cypher as well.
Part of Elizabeth's reason for choosing the version of the crown with bowed arches was because her mother was a Lady from the Bowes family (an earl's daughter, in fact). A nice way for a queen to celebrate the feminine side of her lineage.
Very interesting and educational
This was interesting. I didn't know it was called a cypher. I agree that monograms are less common than they were at one time. My grandparents had monogrammed coasters. Their last name began with an A and their names were Florence and Regis so the coasters said "FAR" diagonally in a Times New Roman-ish font (before anyone knew that term, of course). I'm guessing they were made in the 1960s or 1970s.
Even my lawnmower has the Queen's cypher on it, as Hayter lawnmowers are used on royal gardens.
Love the new Cipher - it is going to be so strange seeing new passports, stamps and the hundreds of other little items in the UK gradually change over. It's always a fun game with children when passing a post box to check out the cipher as really old ones have Queen Victoria's Cipher.
We had one still in an area of our town from Queen Victorias
Very interesting and educational video. Thanks.
The Isle of Man is a beautiful place to look at with lots of viking headstones, early castles and of course the TT races, the most dangerous races in the world.
Love your reaction I just saw that you reaction to winston churchill and would love for you to react to his full speech "we shall never surrender"
US mailboxes look like UK litter bins from the 70s :)
Very informative! Thank you!
The curvature of the C and the bottom of the crown compliment each other. Overall looks really nice.
Hey I have been to Toronto and have seen TTC a lot. It is very recognizable
Charles' cypher will appear as and when needed, those on buildings will only change if not part of the stonework, still George IV, William IV and VR on some, uniforms will change with new issue although epaulettes and badges can be done very quickly like the badge on PC's helmets. This years Christmas postage stamps will bear the silhouette image of the late queen as they were approved by her and printed months ago. The same with Bank notes and coins, they will only change on new designs so will take time to be in common circulation. The new coins will have Charles III not the Latin Carolus III (would have been Carolvs, using Roman/Latin letters) as it was standard to use all Latin in the inscription on the face/head side of coins in the past. Thrones will just be recovered not new ones as some are very old antiquities.
So interesting love the new cypher. Love our post boxes,
There's no such word as 'coronated'.
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Interesting - I'm learning along with you
The King's great-grandmother, Queen Mary had, to my mind, one of the nicest balanced cyphers which was a traditional design. It all depends on the person's initials as to the artistic quality of the design.
ER II stands for Elizabeth Regina the 2nd, Regina is Latin for Queen and King Charles is CR III for Charles Rex the 3rd and Rex is the male equivalent for Regina but Latin for King .
This was really interesting. I think I might design my own cipher to go on my Christmas Cards!!
I like the way you ask sensible questions and try and work out for yourself, based on existing knowledge, the answers. I like listening to your reasoning - and your US accent. Where are you from?
They won’t replace everything. The town I live in still has post boxes from Queen Victoria’s reign and have her VR cypher on them. They won’t change on existing buildings either. They are part of history and will remain. Any new postboxes will have the new cypher.
Put simply, where permanently installed on the thing they are applied to, EIIR ciphers will not be replaced, but where they can be removed without much trouble (e.g. by unbolting or unscrewing them), they will, unless whoever is responsible cannot be bothered.
Many objects bearing the royal monogram do not need to be replaced as, in those cases, it merely signifies under whose reign the object was made.
That is the case with post boxes: only new post boxes will have the current sovereign's cypher: the existing ones will remain unchanged until they come to the end of their natural life. Some existing post boxes are well over 100 years old and have the "VR" monogram (Queen Victoria, reigned 1837-1901).
That is not the case with the throne, however, or should I say "thrones" as there are more than one. There's a throne in each of the royal palaces, there will be one at the Coronation (not the same chair as the one in which the sovereign is crowned which is known as King Edward's Chair) in Westminster Abbey and one in the House of Lords (which, of course, is part of a royal palace, that of Westminster). I think they will all need to be altered or replaced to show the CRIII cypher. The same will apply to military and other uniforms, presumably.
Very interesting, Queen Mary's son was King James VI & I. He became king of Scotland in 1567 after Mary was forced to abdicate and then King of England after Elizabeth's death 1603. Makes sense she would be ER I in Scotland.
I'm most curious for when the depiction of the Tudor Crown appears on the front of our passorts, its gonna be so strange. I was quite frustrated though when it was shown that coins will say Charles III instead of Carolus III. The inscription on the obverse of our coins are, by tradition, meant to bear the title of the monarch in latin, which should be Carolus III, Dei Gratia, Rex, Fidei Defensor, meaning Charles III, by the Grace of God, King, Defender of the Faith. There is also supposed to be a ring of dots around the outer edge of the coin encircling the portrait of the monarch, which is called Beading, however that was abandoned in the 2008 coin redesign. Shame, I find it a quite attractive feature.
The Toronto Transit Commission's logo he went over is one I've always hated having used the service countless times. It could be so easily fixed too but they've never bothered to change it in a whole century of operation
Queen Margret is the Kings Cousin.
There won't be an issue with Charles III being designated as such in Scotland, as each of the earlier Charles (I and II) were Stuart kings of the Great Britain, and thus were Scots. BTW, Canada, Australia, NZ will be having their own new Carolian cyphers. You know the adjective from Elizabeth was Elizabethan, well from Charles the adjective is Carolian.
Carolean, actually.
Caroligian isn't it?
Charles I and Charles II were not kings of Great Britain; they were kings of England and, separately, kings of Scotland, and Ireland. Great Britain came into existence in law in 1707 when the crowns of England and Scotland were united, and the separate parliaments of England and Scotland became one. Prior to this, Great Britain was a geographical term that simply meant larger or greater Britain. Postally, Scotland was usually referred to as N.B. (North Britain) until well into the 20th century
Most British mail boxes have a royal Cypher on them
The exception is for a period of years when they “forgot” to put VR on them. All the others have (or had) them.
Hey Tyler - it's actually very clever that the Tudor crown - which was of England ONLY (except that it included Wales and the Lordship of Ireland,) has been used alongside a second cypher that uses the Scottish crown instead - because by making use of two cyphers using these two crowns, an important historical fact is pictorially demonstrated... This is that while King James VI of Scotland, as the most senior, legitimate, protestant male member of the Scottish Royal House of Stuart rightfully succeeded the childless Queen Elizabeth I (Tudor) as King James I of England; it was only the crowns that were united in his personal union and that of his son, Charles I and of his grandson, Charles II and as later established by acts of parliament. The kingdoms of Scotland and England were not politically united until 1707 and therefore - while both Scotland and England have had two kings named Charles in the past - who were in the same people; the United Kingdom [which didn't exist as a Sovereign State during either of their reigns], has NOT had a King Charles before!
Independence for Scotland has become a major political hot potato within the UK for the past couple of decades. A referendum held in 2014 on "Should Scotland be an Independent Country YES or NO," seemed to seriously worry the UK Government and others during the final weeks of its campaign as the penny dropped that it might actually succeed - but in the event, only 45% of the Scottish electorate voted yes, and it failed. Despite this, almost everyone from all sides of the argument agreed that it was almost certainly now "a case of when and not if." it would eventually go ahead. The UK Government then stated that the referendum had been "a once-in-a-generation" opportunity to vote for independence but, did not clearly define this. Alex Salmond, the veteran leader of the Scottish National Party also retired and was succeeded by his deputy, Nicola Sturgeon, who has remained First Minister of Scotland ever since and has declared that a further referendum will be held in October 2023 - for which the UK Government has refused 'permission' and in consequence, the Scottish Government has lodged an Appeal to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom - the verdict of which is expected to be announced during the spring of 2023...
The supporters of Independence have two main arguments. The first is, the policy of the UK government at the time was to remain the in EU. Less than a year later however, a change in that policy (by the same political party we might add - they of three PM's in a year fame,) brought about another referendum in which the UK overall voted to leave the EU - even though large parts of it including almost all of Scotland, had voted to remain. Many people who had voted NO in the 2014 independence referendum now openly stated they had only done so because they had been assured by the UK government that it was the best way of ensuring they remained in the EU - and that they would now vote YES if the independence referendum were to take place again!
The other issue is that in the continued absence of any kind of proportional representation in the UK Electoral System, it almost doesn't matter who Scotland votes for, they still get the Tories - which most of them are vehemently opposed to the policies of... (Indeed, for some years, only one of the 59 UK Parliamentary seats in Scotland was held by that party...). The Labour Party, that is the other main UK political party, has aligned itself more closely to the Tories in recent years and seems to have lost favour in Scotland - whose vote they would normally need to win a majority in the House of Commons. Indeed, they have dropped to 4th place within the Scottish Government - mainly because they too oppose Independence. The Scottish National Party, meanwhile, has moved into Labour's former centre-left position on the political map.
Well, the more permanent ciphers stay as is - there is a postbox near my old house with a Queen Victoria cypher on it. But as new items get made or things replaced, the new cypher will get rolled out.
Although the Queens EIIR cypher is fairly simple it is probably one of the biggest brand symbols across the globe and being simple means just one quick glance and most people in the commonwealth if not the globe would know who it stood for .
Since he made this video, Camilla, Queen Consort's cipher has been released.
The 'old' cipher's won't be removed from permanent locations- they will be changed as things are replaced- so new Post Boxes will have Charles's one, but our older postboxes still sport the cipher of the monarch who reigned when they were made.
Hay Tyler. The presenter did say at the beginning of the video. That he is a graphic designer. from uk
If you go back far enough mist family lines (of note) have a family coat of arms... Many look it up for fun...
Scottish Independence is certainly still “a thing”. Despite losing the referendum in 2014 the Scottish National Party Want to hold a new one next year. Part of the promise made to the Scottish people was that is they voted against Independence they would remain in the European Union. Just as soon a the ink was dry on the ballot sheet they they head a vote on Europe BREXIT and low and behold they were dragged out of Europe despite every single region in Scotland voting to remain in Europe. 😢. Lots you to delve into for a future video.
Yip and we get a public holiday for the coronation on 09 May 2023. Heraldry indeed. The Cipher is the Monarchs. The Monarchy is not a person but an entity.
The queen's cypher is on all of the British pound notes. The coins don't have them but the notes all do, so we're all so used to having that one. But we also don't really care at all that it's getting changed either.
they don't replace everything with the new cypher. logo's witrh the cypher on are changed but postboxes and other public buildigns keep the cypher of the reign they where built under.
there's a recent ammount of GR post boxes where i live, which is Goerge VII
The next british king will have a problem with the couples monogram which will be WC!
There is a lot of very unhappy history between England and Scotland. As he said, Elizabeth the first was English and Protestant, and Scotland had their own Queen , Mary, who was Roman Catholic. Religion played a huge part in all this and to some extent, still does. When James the sixth of Scotland was king, the two countries were united ( legally anyway) he became James the first of England. There was a time of war between the two countries, and the border kept changing for some time. Ove the next centuries English landowner sliving in Scotland wanted to have the countryside cleared for sheep rearing and suchlike, meaning that families were thrown out of their homes to make way for it. Check out the clearances. There are many in Scotland who now want their independance from the UK, for those historical reasons and the fact that Scottish interests are not well served by the British government in London. I can imagine Charles having something to say in the future of all this.
The crowns of England and Scotland were not united until 1707. James VI of Scotland also became King of England in 1603, but the two countries had separate parliaments. The "union" was a personal one; just like Charles III is king of the UK and, separately, the King of Canada. It was not a political union, even though King James dearly wanted it to be so; and he ordered his heralds to come up with a flag that reflected this. Hence the Union Flag.
The “clearances” were of the Scottish Highlands, and did not affect most of the Scottish population, but many of the Highlanders were Roman Catholic, and they were disproportionately affected. Very few of those doing the clearances were English, rather they were Scottish noblemen, often Protestant Lowlanders, who were as eager as, or more so than, the English to rid their lands of those likely to support Catholicism or be Jacobite sympathizers.
Waiting to see if you can come up with your own!😀
E II R = Elizabeth 2 (the second) Regina. This video confuses the State (St.Edwards) and Scottish crowns which are two distinct physical entities. The Imperial (Tudor) Crown is only used at the moment of coronation, and the State (NOT the Scottish) for all other occasions (except in Scotland). Whilst actual usage is the same, the Imperial is used as the symbol of male monarchs and the State (again NOT the Scottish) as the symbol of female monarchs. This is perhaps a leftover of the bias towards male monarchs. This may change in future as the rules of ascension were changed a few years ago to equalise gender - ie. first born, not first born male. The Scottish Crown is used only in Scotland.
Haralds looks like the five is peeking out through the window, with the curtains on either side
The crown on King Charles's non-Scottish cypher is known as tge Tudor crown: it no longer exists: it was tge state crown of England until it was destroyed in 1649 after the beheading of King Charles I.
A replica of it in cheaper materials exists and is displayed at Hampton Court Palace.
As it was an English crown, it cannot feature on the King's Scottish cypher which uses the Scottish crown (which does still exist) instead.
Queen Elizabeth's cypher featured St Edward's crown which is regarded as a British crown, having been used at coronations after the Union of 1707.
I work as a postman and of the 5 pillar boxes I empty 2 of them have G R VI cyphers on them.
There are 6 kingdoms in Europe, but there are also Principalities, Grand Duchies, Papacies, etc. They would arguably also be called monarchies.
BTW, how many channels do you have?
*LOTS*
@@Britishgeohistorian I know he has a Norwegian and a Canadian themed channel, do you know of any others. I can't find links
@@mimicray I'm not sure of any others but he definitely has more. Try just put in tyler reacts to country or something idk
RUMPLE Coat of arms reads : VURTUTIS LAUS ACTIO. The deed is valor's praise. English: HIS PRAISE OF THE ACTION.
Your name is derived from Rumbald an Anglo Saxon tribal name. German- English. 😁
Haha, the original video crapped on the Toronto Transit Commission.
In other words: Canadian things suck!
I live in Toronto and now every time I see a bus I'm going to yell EW. Lol
I laughed when they said Toronto Transit Commission as their logo looks like a car crash
There is The Queen’s Crown and The King’s Crown that is what you see on the cipher.
No it isn't. There are several crowns, Elizabeth favoured St Edward's Crown, her father and son preferred the Tudor Crown in the cypher.
Elizabeth’s couldn’t of looked like Charles. I guess it all depends on your name as to how easy it is to make it simple and flow .
They won't change things like monuments or letterboxes. The cypher represents the monarch who put them there.
When I first saw that Toronto thing I thought it was TFC, like a football club. That's an awful design
Different crowns are one for King and one Queen. Even in Canada every military branch and trade will get new badges because they will need the “Kings” crown on them now.
No, that's not correct. It's a matter of the new monarch's personal choice.
@@neuralwarp Perhaps I was to basic and generalized. Yes, the actual style may vary but, they all have had slight variations over the centuries. The Kings crown tends to be more rounded at the top vs a Queens.
‘Coronated’ instead of ‘Crowned’’ is as correct as ‘Presidented’ instead of ‘Inaugurated’.
"Coronated" ??! ==> Crowned
"Usage" ??! ==> Use
He forgot Andorra, lichtenstein, Luxembourg, monaco and Vatican city which is an elected monarchy, they're all monarchies.
You may have noticed there's a Royal Air Force and a Royal Navy, but no Royal Army; because they were sent to the naughty step for being bad. My question for someone out there, I couldn't find an answer or I'm too lazy to look very much, does the British Army use the royal cypher and , if it does, why isnt it called the royal army?
The British Army traces its origin to the New Model Army, created by the great Oliver Cromwell, later Lord Protector. While individual regiments and corps within it often have the word “Royal” in their title, the Army as a whole is just “The Army”. It is a matter of tradition, not of being put on the naughty step.
The royal cypher appears on some army cap badges (Royal Engineers, the Military Police for example). It's not called the Royal Army because, historically, the Army was not a single force. It comprised numerous regiments that were often named after the noblemen who formed them. Many individual regiments have/had royal in the title: Royal Army Service Corps; Royal Army Medical Corps etc. The Royal Air Force was formed by the merger of the Royal Flying Corps (a regiment of the British Army) and the Royal Naval Air Service (a branch of the Navy). It was therefore logical that it should be known as the Royal Air Force when it came into being in 1918.
Just to be a pedant, the video you are watching refers to the chairs that have cyphers as thrones. There is only one actual throne and it’s the seat in the House of Lords from where the Queen, and now the King read their address to parliament. Everything else is just a chair. 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧
E R Elizabeth REX they will change the ER all over UK policeman’s hats , buildings anything with ER even the Curtains at Royal Opera House Covent Garden some ER ‘s they will leave not remove , the person who designed the new King Charles coin designed the cypher The monarch chooses the design Love the story of the postbox ,there has always been friction England and Scotland like France and England 🙄but I believe in Scottish Independence just my opinion (l’m a Brit ). Love your opinions 🤷♀️
It means Elizabeth ll REGINA
The Republic of Scotland can't come soon enough.
The Kingdoms of Great Britain and Northern Ireland were united by a Scottish king, so it's funny that the Scottish National Party keep on trying to break it up....plus Scotland already rejected leaving the UK several times now, Nichola just wants to keep on having referendums until she gets the result she wants!
The kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland were united in 1801 in the reign of King George III. Thus, the United Kingdom is younger than the United States. If Scotland were to secede from the United Kingdom, the UK would still exist. If Northern Ireland were to leave, then the United Kingdom would cease to exist. The state would then revert to its pre-1801 status and be simply Great Britain.
She learned this from her beloved EU!
Kind of like the Tory government trying to rewrite the Northern Ireland Protocol after it has been agreed on and signed.
No problem with Charles III as previous Charles were House of Stuart (Scottish) . Regarding independence, they have been calling for that since unification. An issue that waxes and wains, they had a referendum in 2014 when voted remain won, but still it rolls on. Due to the Barnet formula they get more money per capita than England, but that's another story.
It rolls on because the facts on the ground have changed. The people of Scotland voted to stay in the UK because 1) they were content with the then current devolution settlement and 2) they were told that if they left then they would also be kicked out of the EU and would have to reapply to join. Then Brexit happened. Now we have an English Tory government that is dismantling devolution and forcing Anglo-centric Unionism on the people of Scotland AND Scotland is out of the EU. Even though the Scots voted wholeheartedly to remain. So, you should ask yourself this: Why should the people of Scotland put up with this?
It's a rip off of Chris Rocks cypher.
Logo
American way of looking at it ,i suppose.
A “logo” is simply an abbreviated generalization of “logotype” or “logogram” (a logotype predominantly uses letters, numbers, or words; a logogram predominantly uses other abstract or pictorial symbols). A cypher is a subset of logotype employing only initials and, sometimes, a number. A monogram is a cypher where two or more initials are incorporated to form a single integrated design. All of these are “logos”, true, but to dismiss all the other terminology in a desire to reach the lowest common denominator is both facile and stupid.
I prefer E⏸️R always will