Hi everyone! Thanks for watching :) Just wanted to clear some things up: 1. This is NOT a paid ad. V is open source and I have not been paid or reached out by the owner of the language to do this video. If you look at my other videos, I give shoutouts to open source projects and ads are specified as ads. 2. I will NOT be abandoning Python in favor of V. They aren't really comparible. Also, V lacks the community and ecosystem that other languages (Rust, Python, Go) have. I was just trying to make a joke but understand why it comes off as silly :) Appreciate all the positive (and constructive) comments in regards to this video.
if you want to check out another low level language check out D otherwise known as dlang, as fast and sometimes faster than C, gc,manual,and barrow checked, also functional, OO, and some meta aswell. allows fkr low level like knline assembly or usong C libraries, or high level code like java or haskell. ita fun and has rhe best documentation I have ever seen. anyway great video on V one of my favorite new languages just not useable yet.
@@steveman1982 yes except no one says "this car's great, has as much power as a single horse". Whereas here, that's literally the goal, it's to be "as fast as C"
This is worser than go. Their immutability is somehow mutable, performance is a shit hole with different memory leaks unresolved for years. it even has plans of transpilling golang libraries to v. please do more research before creating videos like this.
@@gmodrules123456789 V is advertised as being able to manage heap memory for you, but its memory management doesn't work as advertised and has memory leaks.
I've heard V is memory safe without garbage collection and without manual memory management; not gonna lie, I haven't looked into that feature but if that's true it can maks Rust obsolete before it even properly takes off
The v community seems to lie a bit about the performance. It seems the phrase as fast as C comes from the fact that they compile V code to C. What they fail to mention is that they copy things like a garbage collector into the C code, which is itself extra work a C program would not have to do. They do a lot of things to avoid having the GC running, but it's definitely still there. This extra work means that it's not equivalent to C. You could technically make almost any language compile to C and bundle a garbage collector, but just because it compiled to C doesn't mean it's equivalent to the same program written in C. I've reached out to the community before with these issues but they don't seem to hear me and they get angry. There are a number of other strange language decisions that turn people off of V too, they're available on blogs on the internet.
That is not a real garbage collector copied into c code. V compiler automatically inserts free calls where it is needed, it may take some time during compilation, but performance of final program will be ≈equal to C
It mostly uses automatic free calls, or if that's not possible, reference counting, with an option for garbage collection for faster compilation. However, this can be disabled with a compiler flag, for full control over memory management, it just uses it for memory safety by default.
Abandon python? Python is a completely different language that is used for much different things. This language can't replace python in the slightest because python isn't even a compiled language.
@randomguy9777 It compiles, and you can run the executable. It however does not work as advertised. It's definitely not a quick exit scam, but they over promised.
@@Wariowa345 difference is that rust is good at what it does and this lang is good at advertising falsehoods and impossibilities, like total memory safety and lack of leaks without either a garbage collector or borrow checker
@@NootNooot No, first up not everyone knows rust and second rust is a terrible language with a terrible community, so I am never using rust ever again, horrible language, horrible community, just horrible ans as of now I am stopping this fight because rust devs are such a pain to fight, fuck rust.
The reason the V binaries are small is because they depend on dynamically linked libraries. Everything V has exists in Rust and Rust even helps with memory managment. V loves to have memory leaks and just close issues reporting them, after saying to compile with some flag even though there are still memory leaks.
You didn't give specifics on what's it doing different, what problem it solves compared to existing languages, and are those benefits worth the trouble of learning/hiring for a new, risky language? I'm not convinced that it's "a game changer" from that Lewis.
This has to be some sort of a partnership. No sane man would ever recommend vlang in their own mind. This language tries doing all kinds of hip and flashy stuff before even getting the fundamentals down. There's no time for learning toy languages like this
I find it funny that all the time there are those new languages that make people ask if they should switch to them from Python. Yes, Python ist slow. Painfully slow. But there is a reason why it is still around. Where it is used, speed doesn’t matter. What matters is that it is easy to write, you don’t have to compile every time you run it, and you have all the tools you would need. V scores worse in every category. And the thing is, it might be better for other areas, but there nobody uses Python anyway.
Maybe we should look to how much garbage happens in videogames due to dumb hype trains and *not* do the same for programming languages? 99% of "C killers" will leave the same legacy as 99% of "WoW killers", 99% of "LoL killers" 99% of "Twitter replacements" and 99% of "Chrome dethroners".
don't tense up and think to change from python new one came called `mojo` which is 35000× fast than native python and build in python style like typescript and javascript.
Hello Lewis, so there’s this fuss around a new language called “Peregrine”, they reclaim that it compiles as fast as C and has the same syntax as python. So what do you think about it ?
Why would you ever use Python to create a game? Python is one of the slowest compiling languages there is. Although being easy to code with, that is a 0/10 comparison.
Great, another Rust/GO/kotlin/wa/... But it will be fascinating to see what NG of proframming languages will look like, what will the new C be, and still watching corp backbones run on fortran, c and WindowsXP
@@damonpalovaara4211 yeah but they have always been quick to adopt new technologies, the smaller dogs tend to drag behind. Especially in defense and embedded fields.
What about Rust ? Whole planet should implement a programming language called oneSyntax by taking most of the syntax (case classes,case object,def, Val, var, pattern matching, traits) from scala , new programming language will increase global warming (electricity usage to learn new language again)
Every language was designed for some specific tasks. Learning Rust is harder than learning Python, for example, but it doesn't mean that some language is better than the other. It's about what you do and what you like
This language sounds like a bad little rust clone. Also in some other comments I read that V has many long lasting unresolved problems and inconsistencies. I think rust is clearly superior here.
V is a super experimental language, its maintainers aren't even as serious nor capable as Rust's. This was just a fun informative video, don't get confused by everything you watch. Also, don't think in terms of languages, think in terms of use cases. For example, if you care about getting a job in the graphics programming industry, C++ is way more useful to you than Python, and it's the other way around in fields like data science. So, imo thinking about your use case first is the best way to deal with information overload.
@@forkerion There isn’t any cargo like thing and it makes sense because the simplest way to get a library is by downloading it’s source and adding it as collection for your build. If you come from a npm or rust background it might not fit you anyway. Also i must say i prefer languages that don’t bake this into themselves as that makes awful libraries that depend on a entire tree of other things. And then a single thing breaks and you can’t use it anymore.
Amm why is getting rid of global statss good? I mean it is a way to seperate things that should not be recalled anywhere(in other words less bugs) locally... is it just me?
@@CodingWithLewis Yes, but if you think about it, that is neccessary many times. Writing everything not globally seems like pain. Not to mention that this is probably at the cost of something. (in IT things like that always come at a cost haha) The readability is one of the many reasons one doesn't do branchless coding as an example. What are the biggest downsides regarding this language in your opinion?
I am confused on some technicalities I don't know maths, like literally, because of that, I study Animal Science But I recently got interest in Computer Science and Coding Starting with C, am faced with some Mathematical equations in some standard codes and they are confusing Can you please create a video on areas to touch in mathematics for newbies like me or link me to an article where I can find more comprehensive information please By the way, the ultimate goal is to learn Solidity, so just in case, you can expand up to that programming language for me. Thanks a bunch, it will really mean a lot to me
V is as fast as C - but only while compiling, not necessarily in execution. Which would surprise me very much, because (a) it has more overhead and (b) AFAIK it is translated to C.
Also check out nim. It's not V but it's closer to python, has (optional) garbage collector, compiles to C langs and js, has very powerful typed templates and macros with compile time evaluation. It has some of downsides, but generally it's pretty good
@@ithaca2076 I guess it depends on how it unfolds in its usage among companies - it just gets tiring that you might get locked out of a company because you learned a lot of languages, have experience in them, but you didn't spend 5-10 years on V - oh well - can't work at this cool company I guess
I tried so hard to stay away from Python after learning Rust but Rust doesn't have any great spread sheet libraries comparable to Python so I still write Python scripts for building spread sheets
Not so sure, I code in Rust and C++ and V looks interesting. However, V is not a general purpose language in the sense that Rust is (and Haskell, Lisp, ...). For example, Rust allows lambda expressions such as |x| foo(x). V allows very limited lambda-like syntax, foo(it) where it is a keyword. You cannot have lambdas with more than one parameter, and currying is not possible, because shadowing of variables is not permitted. Similarly, in terms of memory management, it is not possible in V to pass ownership of one object to another. I don't think it is possible for a language to simply not have reference counting or garbage collection. It prevents fundamental patterns such as Factory. Operator overloading and traits are supported in V but only in a very restricted way, to allow the arithmetic operators to be applied to data structures. Interfaces in V are handled by duck-typing, same as Python. I'd be interested to see how this is implemented in an efficient way. I can't see how it could use v-tables for efficient dispatch, like Rust or C++.
Respectfully, this video did not pique my interest. I never pick a language for its features, performance, or compiled size. I pick a language for its community, for its most popular packages, the types of projects it tends to be good at, its target deployment environment, and how easy it is to hire other developers who know that language very well. A language is defined by its ecosystem, not by its features. Which explains, coincidentally, why horribly ugly programming languages are so popular. (I won't name which... you can guess)
V seems great at first glance, but trying to make something more complex than hello world variations left me dissatisfied with this language. A lot of features are more like Todo to language developers and even official examples don't compile. Plus `v up` command breaks your v installation so you have to reinstall it, because there is a broken compiler version in upstream. I've tried reporting the issue, devs helped me figure out what's wrong, but last time I checked broken v versions is still there, so basically `v up` is not usable. Overall it could be a great language, but it's not at the moment
"V is just as fast as native C" Well, it is only transpiled to C, and even though it claims to produce human-readable C, this is far from true in my experience. V is a very young language, but the creator makes a lot of promises that the language simply doesn't deliver on. I would consider using V if the native compiler will finally be finished, but that can still take many years.
You are on a public Internet domain trying to preach heresy to the Saints about books they know well. Explain how and why this language is faster. Did it make sacrifices in functionality? How much support is the language currently getting? What is being put in place to help the world move in? Is there any real world examples of companies that use this already? Can you truly see people converting their C based systems into V ones? I dont really know how this is possible to begin with. I assumed C was as optimised as it gets when it comes to a language that has to be compiled into machine code later.
With all due respect, there is nothing "game changing" about V... It's a mashup of previous languages without any new revolutionary thought. As a reference, Rust is significantly more "game changing" in tthe way we program (not a fanboy either).
It's not related to Python. Python has thousands of modules that make easy build anything very fast... and the pinal product is also fast, because all these libraries are written in C, so when you run (a useful) Python script, it's actually ruinng C most of time. Does V has tons of libs?? V will try to compete with ZIG, the new star that already defeated Rust. And will lose.
V means victory....over the deadly crawling darn reptile you just named. Victory over that DEVIL at last. I often asked who the heII would love a d*mn'd snake in your computer. Thanks for sharing.
Stop making new programming languages, new libraries, new frameworks, new this, new that… all of this new tech claims to make developers’ lives easier but the hardest part of being a developer is all the new tech that comes out every week.
V will never even be close to C. It seems like they're trying to make it work like Rust, just a worse version of it. Lots of performance issues and it's probably worse than Go, definitely not better.
So it's Lua, but it's underrated because it's new and not because only Roblox knew how to use it, I would really like to learn it since that's what the perfect programming language sounds like to me
I always find it strange to call a language fast. I can write python code that runs circles around C by using the right algorithms and data structures. Most people never go to the extremes of any language and thus should probably spend less time worrying which language is the fastest and instead use the most widespread or best documented one. Obviously there are exceptions.
Dynamic memory management but as fast as c. I don’t think so. That combination does not exist, either it’s fast and you manage your own memory or it’s slow and the memory is manage automatically.
Vlang is just a meme instead you should rather use rust to build blazingly fast, and efficient apps in rust. Rust is the best programming language ever created. Wise words.
Hi everyone! Thanks for watching :) Just wanted to clear some things up:
1. This is NOT a paid ad. V is open source and I have not been paid or reached out by the owner of the language to do this video. If you look at my other videos, I give shoutouts to open source projects and ads are specified as ads.
2. I will NOT be abandoning Python in favor of V. They aren't really comparible. Also, V lacks the community and ecosystem that other languages (Rust, Python, Go) have. I was just trying to make a joke but understand why it comes off as silly :)
Appreciate all the positive (and constructive) comments in regards to this video.
das cool
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Keep on python, add another playlist for vlang on your channel.
*comparable
if you want to check out another low level language check out D otherwise known as dlang, as fast and sometimes faster than C, gc,manual,and barrow checked, also functional, OO, and some meta aswell. allows fkr low level like knline assembly or usong C libraries, or high level code like java or haskell. ita fun and has rhe best documentation I have ever seen.
anyway great video on V one of my favorite new languages just not useable yet.
Company HR's on job posting: *3-5 years of coding experience required in V*
🤣
You aren't wrong
Meanwhile interview with candidate be like:
HR: need 3-5 years commercially usage of V
Candidate: I have 10
HR: Hired !!!
😂 😂 😂
HR is always be an unusual thinker
When all programming languages are still being compared to native C, this really says something about the quality of C.
It is just stupid fast due to it being just a step above assembly lol
Well, comparing engine performance to horses is also still a thing...
@@cybergaming42424 also due to the crazy amount of hours spent optimizing gcc.
@@NicolaiRathjen I've tried to get GCC but I need zip and its expired is there a way to get it without zip?
@@steveman1982 yes except no one says "this car's great, has as much power as a single horse". Whereas here, that's literally the goal, it's to be "as fast as C"
“As fast as C”. I’ll believe it when I see it
Fast but safe
@@raz0229 no such thing as safe . Memory safe . Lmao. What a joke !
@@raz0229 safe is basically not wanting to think about memory. It’s knee pads, as a software engineer you should know how to work with memory.
It actually compiles into human readable c..
@@mdev790 Look if it's just syntax sugar on C it's boring, if it is more than it's guaranteed to be less efficient.
This is worser than go. Their immutability is somehow mutable, performance is a shit hole with different memory leaks unresolved for years. it even has plans of transpilling golang libraries to v. please do more research before creating videos like this.
I guess, it's advertisment video.
I saw answers about memory leaks, that says: "memory leaks is a part of design and can not be solved". So...
I've talked to other people who have actually used V and yeah I think this video sounds like a paid advertisement that is completely untruthful.
How does a language have unsolvable memory leaks? Is the user not able to manage the memory themselves?
@@gmodrules123456789 V is advertised as being able to manage heap memory for you, but its memory management doesn't work as advertised and has memory leaks.
@@lennymclennington
Lol how have they not been able to fix that? Java solved this problem a very long time ago.
“V is as fast as C”
Doubt [X]
The slogan of every new language that eventually fades into obscurity
Clicked X faster than C ever could
It depends what compiler you compare it to. It's like saying a slug is faster than a human (depends on the human)
@@patrickclark9285 C compiles to machine code, it’s going to be faster regardless
@@zachb1706 not based on compiling times though
This seems like a low budget version of rust.
Except unlike rust it fails to accomplish what it advertises to be capable of.
I thought that too.
I was about to say that hahah
@@romulo2714 Exactly, you can't steal an idea and execute it terribly.
I've heard V is memory safe without garbage collection and without manual memory management;
not gonna lie, I haven't looked into that feature but if that's true it can maks Rust obsolete before it even properly takes off
Language popularity and relevance today is defined by their community and tooling, not pure language quality.
(Java is walking proof of that)
Takoe tarmi
@@arshadsiddiqui9071 so is JS
so is Go itself
@@tenpoundsterlingtn7756 what ? JS is one of the most popular languages, also it's single threaded and slow so not sure how it stands with V.
The v community seems to lie a bit about the performance. It seems the phrase as fast as C comes from the fact that they compile V code to C. What they fail to mention is that they copy things like a garbage collector into the C code, which is itself extra work a C program would not have to do. They do a lot of things to avoid having the GC running, but it's definitely still there. This extra work means that it's not equivalent to C. You could technically make almost any language compile to C and bundle a garbage collector, but just because it compiled to C doesn't mean it's equivalent to the same program written in C. I've reached out to the community before with these issues but they don't seem to hear me and they get angry. There are a number of other strange language decisions that turn people off of V too, they're available on blogs on the internet.
That is not a real garbage collector copied into c code. V compiler automatically inserts free calls where it is needed, it may take some time during compilation, but performance of final program will be ≈equal to C
It mostly uses automatic free calls, or if that's not possible, reference counting, with an option for garbage collection for faster compilation. However, this can be disabled with a compiler flag, for full control over memory management, it just uses it for memory safety by default.
No thanks. Still on the Rust both safe and fast track 🦀
My zodiac 🍊
I remember when V was announced like a year ago, I also remember the author lying about certain features. I don’t remember what exactly though.
Ye, it's another one of these frauds. The owner seems to be some sort of a narcissist too
This is clearly a paid ad. You legally need to declare that somewhere. I'm clicking "Don't recommend channel"
He specified that it's not... Pinned comment
@@honkeydonkey1401 well then he’s a sucker for not taking money for it
@@honkeydonkey1401 Thats even more embarrassing tbh
Abandon python? Python is a completely different language that is used for much different things. This language can't replace python in the slightest because python isn't even a compiled language.
V is vaporware. It leaked memory on hello world not so long ago LOL
@randomguy9777 It compiles, and you can run the executable. It however does not work as advertised. It's definitely not a quick exit scam, but they over promised.
Ever heard of Rust? Much better
@@Wariowa345 the difference being that Rust has all those features already implemented and V and still a wip
@@Wariowa345 difference is that rust is good at what it does and this lang is good at advertising falsehoods and impossibilities, like total memory safety and lack of leaks without either a garbage collector or borrow checker
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 rust is luterally the worst language oyt there
@@ari_archer if you are unable to write just say it. means you're a bad programmer
@@NootNooot No, first up not everyone knows rust and second rust is a terrible language with a terrible community, so I am never using rust ever again, horrible language, horrible community, just horrible ans as of now I am stopping this fight because rust devs are such a pain to fight, fuck rust.
Rather just use rust, plus rust error handling is amazing
How many languages are out there?
Another one.
At least a thousand at this point
When I learn a programming lang a better programming Lang comes out 🤔
🤣 dont worry! The programming language doesn't matter!
@@CodingWithLewis true that
Kinda like learning a JS framework
Nothing has beat Rust yet. Doubt one ever will
@@NootNooot Agreed....it's basically the Jesus of programming languages
The reason the V binaries are small is because they depend on dynamically linked libraries. Everything V has exists in Rust and Rust even helps with memory managment. V loves to have memory leaks and just close issues reporting them, after saying to compile with some flag even though there are still memory leaks.
gotta wait for v++ and v#
Vython 😎🔥
@@LevelUpGAvava vust vo votlin vua vuby holy v vinary
🦀 exists though
Rust is the 🐐
Oh my god what is this post 💀 V is a meme language
You didn't give specifics on what's it doing different, what problem it solves compared to existing languages, and are those benefits worth the trouble of learning/hiring for a new, risky language?
I'm not convinced that it's "a game changer" from that Lewis.
We don’t need any more new programming languages. We’ve got enough of them.
Haven't you heard? V stands for vaporware
Vlang
Vape
Valorant
Him: “extremely small packages”
Men: “I have that”
Lol 😆
I married to python having an affair with JS and Go. I think I have had enough... No more cheating 😂😅
C: V, how dare you copy me! You’re just as fast as me!
V: I have a meeting with Go.
C: Ok. Bye!
V: Bye!
This has to be some sort of a partnership. No sane man would ever recommend vlang in their own mind. This language tries doing all kinds of hip and flashy stuff before even getting the fundamentals down. There's no time for learning toy languages like this
"I am a source for coding news but also think I can switch from Python to a compiled language"
I'm still trying to make something out of python. Easy to write, easy to read and community is great.
Python is great, I just can't get past how slow it is compared to other languages. You can make anything in like four lines though, that's pretty neat
@@augustdruzgal475 import cython, problem? 🤣
@@LevelUpGA I never used c python,is it good?
@@augustdruzgal475 ik it's slow, but hey atleast you can make a nueral network in like 11 lines
@@ronanregan1478 i don't know, but you can optimise with cython, pypy, cpython
I find it funny that all the time there are those new languages that make people ask if they should switch to them from Python.
Yes, Python ist slow. Painfully slow. But there is a reason why it is still around.
Where it is used, speed doesn’t matter. What matters is that it is easy to write, you don’t have to compile every time you run it, and you have all the tools you would need. V scores worse in every category.
And the thing is, it might be better for other areas, but there nobody uses Python anyway.
I too, am as fast as C, for i am the first comment
U came second lol
900 IQ 🤯
Does C compile comments?
No way that thing is better than C. Prove it!
similar to Go
no thanks. I'll stick with my friend python
you can code both programming languages
Isn't go and python somewhat similar though?
This does not seem like an alternative to Python.
Maybe we should look to how much garbage happens in videogames due to dumb hype trains and *not* do the same for programming languages?
99% of "C killers" will leave the same legacy as 99% of "WoW killers", 99% of "LoL killers" 99% of "Twitter replacements" and 99% of "Chrome dethroners".
I have my doubts it's as fast as C
it literally compiles into c as an intermediary, but with a bunch of optimizations for both run-time and compile-time.
@@davthemillionth and all the inefficiency of not being native C and bundling a GC
Sounds like Rust. I’d just use that alternative. It’s much more developed.
don't tense up and think to change from python new one came called `mojo` which is 35000× fast than native python and build in python style like typescript and javascript.
We need a programming language that run like javascript with the speed of c++
It's incomplete and they love to over promise
Hello Lewis, so there’s this fuss around a new language called “Peregrine”, they reclaim that it compiles as fast as C and has the same syntax as python.
So what do you think about it ?
Value master
ngl, nobody cares how fast it is anymore (as long as it isn’t stupid), it’s all about how good the libraries are. python is the best example
Ugh, guys just learn a top 5 programming language, stick with it, and get a job.
languages come and go but assembly is eternal
And C:)
Why would you ever use Python to create a game? Python is one of the slowest compiling languages there is. Although being easy to code with, that is a 0/10 comparison.
From looking it up they will use python for side jobs that don’t require a lot of resources.
I was just thinking "oh yeah pretty cool" but when he said it was as fast as native C I gave myself whiplash
Great, another Rust/GO/kotlin/wa/...
But it will be fascinating to see what NG of proframming languages will look like, what will the new C be, and still watching corp backbones run on fortran, c and WindowsXP
Pretty Rust is becoming the new C. It's beginning to be used for Linux Drivers
@@damonpalovaara4211 I think it's proven itself to be the new C/C++ now it just needs to be adopted which takes fucking forever in the industry.
@@PixelThorn it's happening faster than people think. It's being used by Meta (Facebook), Amazon, Microsoft, and Google just to name the big dogs.
@@damonpalovaara4211 yeah but they have always been quick to adopt new technologies, the smaller dogs tend to drag behind. Especially in defense and embedded fields.
No thanks
Every computer language is a C library
Having tried to use V in the past, it's kinda horrible
What about Rust ? Whole planet should implement a programming language called oneSyntax by taking most of the syntax (case classes,case object,def, Val, var, pattern matching, traits) from scala , new programming language will increase global warming (electricity usage to learn new language again)
Every language was designed for some specific tasks. Learning Rust is harder than learning Python, for example, but it doesn't mean that some language is better than the other.
It's about what you do and what you like
This language sounds like a bad little rust clone. Also in some other comments I read that V has many long lasting unresolved problems and inconsistencies. I think rust is clearly superior here.
Rust sucks, the syntax, the "borrow" system, and the rust community suck
If there is a compiled python I might use it
Cython maybe?
V is for vaporware. Look it up.
damn so is better to stick with the python or this v thingy
Python :D
Python for one key reason because it is supported and maintained more because it is used by a lot of people and organizations.
V is a super experimental language, its maintainers aren't even as serious nor capable as Rust's.
This was just a fun informative video, don't get confused by everything you watch. Also, don't think in terms of languages, think in terms of use cases. For example, if you care about getting a job in the graphics programming industry, C++ is way more useful to you than Python, and it's the other way around in fields like data science. So, imo thinking about your use case first is the best way to deal with information overload.
Use what you are familiar with, but if you want to learn something new, don't be afraid to try it
If you wanted to learn a compiled language for speed I'd recommend checking out Rust
Have you heard about Nim?
Nah.. PYTHON 🐍 FOR EVER!
The new Language one should actually take a look at is the Odin Programming Language.
I can’t stand the lack of a package manager in Odin
@@forkerion There isn’t any cargo like thing and it makes sense because the simplest way to get a library is by downloading it’s source and adding it as collection for your build. If you come from a npm or rust background it might not fit you anyway. Also i must say i prefer languages that don’t bake this into themselves as that makes awful libraries that depend on a entire tree of other things. And then a single thing breaks and you can’t use it anymore.
Amm why is getting rid of global statss good? I mean it is a way to seperate things that should not be recalled anywhere(in other words less bugs) locally... is it just me?
It's just a way for developers to not trip over things as much :)
@@CodingWithLewis Yes, but if you think about it, that is neccessary many times. Writing everything not globally seems like pain.
Not to mention that this is probably at the cost of something. (in IT things like that always come at a cost haha)
The readability is one of the many reasons one doesn't do branchless coding as an example.
What are the biggest downsides regarding this language in your opinion?
I am confused on some technicalities
I don't know maths, like literally, because of that, I study Animal Science
But I recently got interest in Computer Science and Coding
Starting with C, am faced with some Mathematical equations in some standard codes and they are confusing
Can you please create a video on areas to touch in mathematics for newbies like me or link me to an article where I can find more comprehensive information please
By the way, the ultimate goal is to learn Solidity, so just in case, you can expand up to that programming language for me.
Thanks a bunch, it will really mean a lot to me
trigonometry is good to learn for cs
@@Maia-20Tauri thanks a lot man. I'll begin learning
But how does it compare to UwU++?
Just learn Rust LUL
How can I learn coding ,
Would you not mind to tell?
V is as fast as C - but only while compiling, not necessarily in execution. Which would surprise me very much, because (a) it has more overhead and (b) AFAIK it is translated to C.
Also check out nim. It's not V but it's closer to python, has (optional) garbage collector, compiles to C langs and js, has very powerful typed templates and macros with compile time evaluation. It has some of downsides, but generally it's pretty good
I saw a walrus operator in between
I wouldn't abandon the pythonistas they have machine learning snakes
I was kidding! I could never abandon them!
@@CodingWithLewis Blink twice if you're in danger
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Can we, like, just stop? We have enough.
I was going to say that.
no one ever said you in specific had to use the language. its not trying to replace other languages
@@ithaca2076 I guess it depends on how it unfolds in its usage among companies - it just gets tiring that you might get locked out of a company because you learned a lot of languages, have experience in them, but you didn't spend 5-10 years on V - oh well - can't work at this cool company I guess
@@PixelThorn thats understandable, i do think v has potential though, i guess only time will tell what it can do and will do
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Even without V as an option I'd reccomend getting rid of python lmao
I tried so hard to stay away from Python after learning Rust but Rust doesn't have any great spread sheet libraries comparable to Python so I still write Python scripts for building spread sheets
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The game won't change. The game still is all about simplicity vs extensability, execution speed vs development speed, ...
Remember that a smaller EXE size does not always mean a faster program.
why does it feel like that if I am hearing about RUST but in EASY MODE :)
Should be viable by 2030
yes, exactly what everyone wanted, yet another language trying to compete with C
Not so sure, I code in Rust and C++ and V looks interesting.
However, V is not a general purpose language in the sense that Rust is (and Haskell, Lisp, ...). For example, Rust allows lambda expressions such as |x| foo(x). V allows very limited lambda-like syntax, foo(it) where it is a keyword. You cannot have lambdas with more than one parameter, and currying is not possible, because shadowing of variables is not permitted.
Similarly, in terms of memory management, it is not possible in V to pass ownership of one object to another. I don't think it is possible for a language to simply not have reference counting or garbage collection. It prevents fundamental patterns such as Factory.
Operator overloading and traits are supported in V but only in a very restricted way, to allow the arithmetic operators to be applied to data structures.
Interfaces in V are handled by duck-typing, same as Python. I'd be interested to see how this is implemented in an efficient way. I can't see how it could use v-tables for efficient dispatch, like Rust or C++.
Respectfully, this video did not pique my interest. I never pick a language for its features, performance, or compiled size. I pick a language for its community, for its most popular packages, the types of projects it tends to be good at, its target deployment environment, and how easy it is to hire other developers who know that language very well. A language is defined by its ecosystem, not by its features. Which explains, coincidentally, why horribly ugly programming languages are so popular. (I won't name which... you can guess)
V seems great at first glance, but trying to make something more complex than hello world variations left me dissatisfied with this language. A lot of features are more like Todo to language developers and even official examples don't compile. Plus `v up` command breaks your v installation so you have to reinstall it, because there is a broken compiler version in upstream. I've tried reporting the issue, devs helped me figure out what's wrong, but last time I checked broken v versions is still there, so basically `v up` is not usable.
Overall it could be a great language, but it's not at the moment
"V is just as fast as native C"
Well, it is only transpiled to C, and even though it claims to produce human-readable C, this is far from true in my experience.
V is a very young language, but the creator makes a lot of promises that the language simply doesn't deliver on. I would consider using V if the native compiler will finally be finished, but that can still take many years.
You are on a public Internet domain trying to preach heresy to the Saints about books they know well. Explain how and why this language is faster. Did it make sacrifices in functionality? How much support is the language currently getting? What is being put in place to help the world move in? Is there any real world examples of companies that use this already? Can you truly see people converting their C based systems into V ones?
I dont really know how this is possible to begin with. I assumed C was as optimised as it gets when it comes to a language that has to be compiled into machine code later.
Where is Z language ?
With all due respect, there is nothing "game changing" about V... It's a mashup of previous languages without any new revolutionary thought. As a reference, Rust is significantly more "game changing" in tthe way we program (not a fanboy either).
It's not related to Python. Python has thousands of modules that make easy build anything very fast... and the pinal product is also fast, because all these libraries are written in C, so when you run (a useful) Python script, it's actually ruinng C most of time.
Does V has tons of libs??
V will try to compete with ZIG, the new star that already defeated Rust. And will lose.
I already used this langage and i love it
V means victory....over the deadly crawling darn reptile you just named. Victory over that DEVIL at last. I often asked who the heII would love a d*mn'd snake in your computer. Thanks for sharing.
Great name! The Ctrl V after C.
Stop making new programming languages, new libraries, new frameworks, new this, new that… all of this new tech claims to make developers’ lives easier but the hardest part of being a developer is all the new tech that comes out every week.
V will never even be close to C.
It seems like they're trying to make it work like Rust, just a worse version of it.
Lots of performance issues and it's probably worse than Go, definitely not better.
So it's Lua, but it's underrated because it's new and not because only Roblox knew how to use it, I would really like to learn it since that's what the perfect programming language sounds like to me
I always find it strange to call a language fast. I can write python code that runs circles around C by using the right algorithms and data structures. Most people never go to the extremes of any language and thus should probably spend less time worrying which language is the fastest and instead use the most widespread or best documented one. Obviously there are exceptions.
Dynamic memory management but as fast as c. I don’t think so. That combination does not exist, either it’s fast and you manage your own memory or it’s slow and the memory is manage automatically.
"Immutability" and "as fast as C" in one sentence? Really?
im sticking to rust
Vlang is just a meme instead you should rather use rust to build blazingly fast, and efficient apps in rust. Rust is the best programming language ever created. Wise words.
V is for vaporware
"Blazingly fast" I think I've read this somewhere before 🤔
Zig might be ahead
Won't be surprising if
Fine print: "if coded hyper-efficiently C-style, otherwise can be slower than Java"
Like C#
No thanks, I like Python.
Same, just Hate that it's slow, but still popular 🤝🤝