"Even the witch trials were an effective way of weeding out non-breedable women-" the way he glossed over that like it was a completely normal and not at all utterly psychotic thing to say made my body convulse and produce strange sounds. I think I had a cringe anyuerism
The guy who all but started the witch hunts in Catholic central Europe was a Tyrolian guy who, if he lived today, would be a textbook incel. In other words, he and Whatif would really like each other, actually.
And weren't the majority of victims of the witch trials very much..."breedable?" 😖 (I'm assuming by "breedable" he means young and fertile women.) Hmmmm...I wonder if his religion is making it hard to recognize that for most of Christian history it was used by anti-science delusional people who genuinely believed in magic and witches. He makes it sound like the witch accusation was just a cover up for the true reason of just getting rid of women who can't have babies or whatever. No genuine beliefs involved at all. If it wasn't his precious fellow Christian Bible worshippers conducting the witch trials, I bet he wouldn't be so apologetic and rewriting history. 🤔
The reason he considers coups and funding dissidents abroad as a form of diplomacy is because in the strategy games he plays when he wants to infiltrate another countries government he goes to the "diplomacy tab"
Not going to lie to amount of people who think that any of this information is in a paradox game is alarming. You losers heard vaush make this joke once on stream and ran with it. It’s not even your original joke…..
It's always funny how people will just invent some extremely simplified or just wrong version of marxist thought and then criticize it for being not complex enough to describe reality.
I still can't get past how effective anti-communist propaganda has continued to be. Most normies still think it's Communism vs Democracy rather than Communism vs Capitalism. Marxism is much more representationally democratic than what we currently have (in the US, especially), so it's ludicrous if you know much of anything about any of the related topics. But normies don't. I've found it effective to point out that Communism is not in opposition to democracy, it's in opposition to Capitalism (especially unregulated). They are associating the totalitarian governments who have intentiknall misused communism as a cover for corruption and abuses of power with the economic principle they hid behind. There's a reason that has happened so many times. People want the things that Marxism calls for, they just don't understand the meaning of the words they are using. It's no surprise when you realize how active and intentional the propaganda campaign against it was during the Cold War. And that was after the biggest baddies in popular history had misappropriated the term Socialist. Again, because it was more popular and palatable than fascism. Fascists love to misuse words. It degrades the importance of facts and accuracy, among other effects. and actually pushes people to get a vote on much more of what affects their daily lives. Unions and worker co-ops are completely democratic. As long as they don't become corrupt, but that's pretty easy to regulate for.
Das Kapital is like the theory equivalent of House of Leaves but yeah, not complex enough. I had someone last week who's taking econ claim that socialism is when the government interferes with the market in any way ever, I don't understand where people get these ideas.
Whatifalthist: "Decadence is bad and leads to the downfall of civilizations." Also Whatifalthist: "Come buy a square of land in Scotland and become a Scottish Lord."
"Marx makes oversimplistic statements about history" "Yeah, I agree, he was wrong about-" "Let me tell you about Oswald Spengler's Decline of the West" "Oh."
"Marxists try to frame history through a simple narrative of class conflict, and it just doesn't take everything into account" "Oh ok maybe, I guess?" "So yeah basically decadence is the driving force that explains all of history and our current societal development and then after 10 years people get tired of partying and something something"
Spengler declares himself resolutely opposed to labor strikes (Spengler describes them as "the unsocialistic earmark of Marxism"), trade unions ("wage-Bolshevism" in Spengler's terms), progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich ("dry Bolshevism"), any shortening of the working day (he argues that workers should work even on Sundays), as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment.such a genius 😂
He reminds me of me at 14 when I believed in Graham Hancocks work and thought that the sphinx was made in the time of leo, which was well before the time it was supposedly built. (I'm glad I got into epistemology and realised my idiocy) 🤣
He literally took his vague generalized assumptions about the way the world worked, added in some white nationalist "history," and never learned anything considered accurate historical facts. I thought the point of alt history was to play out "what if" scenarios as realistically as possible. Did you see the image he used for "Vikings"? It was straight out of pop culture. Nazis always have such a weird thing with Vikings. How does this guy get any views? The Right has such absurdly low standards even for their pseudo-intellectuals. They are just so desperate for even a wiff of authenticity. That's why they celebrate fools like Jordan Peterson and have a string of scam colleges. I suppose it follows that if your bar for "intellectual" is so low, the hobbyist "historians" bar will be subterranean. Haha.
I love how he just talks about “leftism” for the Roman’s downfall, when in reality it was one of the very many plagues that would happen occasionally that greatly crippled the Empire and played a major role in their downfall.
Nobody I know would ever say something like that about the intellectual/academic/political figures they're influenced by. The hubris is on another level entirely.
The actual fall of Rome: - wasn't really a fall, as they regrouped their rule - the Eastern Empire still remained for centuries - was mostly due to not maintaining their military technological hegemony - and the increased pay needed to make soldiers actually join their army - as well as increasing reliance on mercenaries - in combination with over expansion - and unrest among other 'barbarian' tribes - corruption and mismanagement among politicians and the wealthy elite - the wealthy relied on slavery for work, and slaves became less abundant - the wealthy fled Rome and set up independent fiefdoms ... the weaknesses of Rome came from their elite, not their population. And it was corruption and self interest among themselves which drove that.
And I don’t get it, aren’t those folks simps for the kingdoms and later nations who came upon afterwards the fall of the (western) Roman Empire? Wasn’t that super-structure keeping all these cultures and people’s under forced unification? Shouldn’t they like that it fell? Don’t they accuse the EU of doing that, and that’s why they despise it??
I always thought the "Paradox gamer" thing was just a joke, but I'm seriously starting to believe that Whatifalthist bases his entire understanding of history on strategy game mechanics. Not the units, characters, or time periods, just the mechanics. "Well, you see, the Muslim golden age ended becue they failed to keep their Decadece rating under 75%, causing randomly spawning tribal rebellions. Meanwhile, the Norse embraced Christianity since it was the easiest way to upgrade their government and access the late-game policy decisions."
It really sucks how America doesn't have the political capital points to do economic reform and now because the political stability score is low due to unsecured borders that we know how the queer acceptance and student socialism events at the same time, it's basically a death spiral unless you can do a civil war to implement the shame the furries with bushido civic to turn things around.
i feel called out for playing copius amounts of paradox games. i dont base my political ideology or understanding on it (yet...) but damn, sometimes i am ashamed to be part of that community when this sort of crackpot poitical thinking is coming from the same place
Hes actually talking about a theory on the downfall of the Roman Empire called "Decadence Theory" in Historians circles. It is an outdated and reductionist theory that has long been expanded upon by the "Socioeconomic Theory" for example. So after watching a bit more he definitely sounds like he really likes the Decadence Theory. Sexual and cultural deviation ( the existence of non-straight people and the introduction of foreign religions) and heightened immigration inevitably leading to the downfall of "civilized people" is a pretty common talking point with reactionary "historians". Back then Christianity, gay people and "barbarians" destroyed Rome and now its Islam, still gay people and refugees who "destroy the civilized West". Its just racism and reactionary politics packed into a smart sounding professional context.
Yes it's where a lot of the immigration caused the fall of the roman empire ahistorical takes come from used by Neo-Nazis. When in reality it was more of intolerance and refusal to integrate the "barbarians" than immigration
They always blame gay people as if Roman men haven’t been fucking each other since before Rome was founded in the BC era. By conservative definitions, Europeans before being christianized (and pretty much all major societies in the near east before abrahamic religions) were always sexual deviants, they just ignore how normalized bisexuality was in those societies up until right before they collapse Then its always the “tHeY wErE cOnQueRd bY sTrOnG bArbaRiAn mEn bEcAuSe tHeY diD aNaL”
Love it how he consistently puts Finland, a country where roughly 80-90% of the male population both has military training and according to the latest polls is willing to put that training to use in case of invasions, into the pacifist milk toast category.
I think my favourite part was when he claimed that "China didn't use the gunpowder they invented" and as evidence shows a picture from a European manual from 1400. 200 years after China invented the first gunpowder-based ranged weapons. By 1400, they had already come up with concepts like land mines and rocket artillery.
Even if I genuinely believed that my lack of success with women was because they'd all fooled themselves into being attracted to leftist dudes or whatever there's no way in hell that I'd say it out loud into a microphone, edit it into a video and upload it onto TH-cam for the world to see. Saddest shit I've ever seen, and I own a mirror!
The thing that people arguing about societal collapse from decadence never question is how someone is able to afford decadence. Decadence is a result of massive wealth inequality. Accepting gay people isn't decadence, orgies in marble bathhouses is and for every 10 people in that orgy it took 1000 slaves and poor Romans.
A lot of the ideas of Roman decadence come from Roman writers who complained about moral decay to make arguments about their contemporaries. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Roman upper classes were up to some freaky shit, but the sources discussing it are heavily biased.
@@jasonfenton8250 Every generation of Roman writers bitched about decadence indeed but I think the modern idea of decadent Romans comes from Gibbon. Don't get me wrong, I think the argument is pretty fraudulent, but you can nip it in the bud by pointing out how it isn't internally consistent with the world view of whoever pushes those ideas even if it were true.
@@jasonfenton8250 The funny thing is, when I read these Roman sources, it's literally just old men complaining about kids these days. Like just about every generation of old conservative people in human history ever.
The thing about history books, is that publishers often have no academic standards (i.e., peer review), and anyone who can convince them they can write a profitable book can have one published. So while reputable people can and often do write books, it's very possible to have "read lots of history books" while having only read all the dogshit ones.
@@BurgerFred1 not to mention events like Great Zimbabwe where Karl Mauch discovered it, decided it was too complex for Africans to have made and just said that tribes said they think white people used to live there. And that shit became history for a hundred years. History is so slanted due to Western Mythology. Also is it just me or does this dude seem like someone that misses Rhodesia?
Roman history is a memetic hazard. It's unbelievable how many Rome weebs will pour themselves into reading about it, only to know less about Rome than a random person on the street
@SpaceBoy True, but if they're spouting fascist propaganda to amateurs who only want to hear certain types of histories, they won't be able to tell the difference, regardless of whether the actual books are considered contrafactual by the historical community at large
Whatifalthist believes science has been corrupted by communism in the 1960s and doesn't read books that were published after these years (outside of pop-sci dreck)
Whatifalthist serves as a reminder to myself that even when I struggle to study something, there's someone out there who, without fail, will manage to make me look sophisticated and smart by comparison.
Also as someone who used to smoke lots of drugs, the pipes in the thumbnail were actually meth pipes; crack pipes are generally just straight glass stems
@@GoodModeSC the expert over here. I think the imagery is too iconic at this point and even if we informed vaudh there is a chance he will just spread the word and keep doing it. Also meth and lsd probably suit him better, actually.
22:35 I hate how paradox games are finally being talked about but for the worst reasons. Most of us just play these games for fun but fuck man all of the weirdest cringers who like to political roleplay are giving us a terrible rep
Omg I know right! I just want my micromanager simulation. I love eu4 but thinking it’s a realistic portrayal of history is thinking communism is when the gov does everything cause you can chose communism and still have banks/economic districts in CIV6
@@rainbowkrampus personally i prefer open democracies with open genetic options but then i realise the game tries to punish me for that by not micromanaging the population. Still i prefer this option in general cause it is only way to get everything in your civilization ranging from synthetic leaders to psionic evolutionary top tier leaders.
@@rainbowkrampus Depends on the type of game i'm playing, but HOI4 i absolutely want to conquer as much as possible because there's no real objective to it otherwise. Though most other civilization games i play such as Stellaris or Civ or Humankind i tend to prefer to try and win via more peaceful methods.
The degeneracy idea of the fall of Rome simply doesn't make sense if you study actual Roman history. The decline of Rome was far from linear, it ebbed and flowed between good and bad periods. The reigns of Justinian and Alexios Komnenos took place respectively 150 and 600 years after the fall of the western empire, and they were golden ages in which cultural and technological accomplishments occurred that would have been the envy of Augustan Rome. Guys like whatifalthist piss me off because they clearly don't care about the actual fascinating history they bring up - all that matters to them is selectively picking things out of context that can support their views.
Ive always counted the Roman Catholic Church as what the Roman Empire morphed into. A system that united Europe and that basically all of Europe was partially controlled by.
Whaaaat?? Are you telling me that the vomitorium was not them eating so much that they would spew?? Is the fall of empires not just a switch they flick for instant ruin?? It wasn’t caused my gay sex but more slaves than citizens, soldiers than land and a complex of gradual political decisions over half a millennium??
Not to mention that the "Fall of Rome" reactionaries always tend to conveniently ignore the Byzantine Empire which continued to persist for another 1000 years after Odoacer deposed Romulus Augustulus in 476. The "Fall of Rome" narrative in itself is fairly conservative and reactionary though, so it's not surprising that so many conservatives in the modern day latch on to it. Propaganda suggests that the collapse of the Roman empire spelled doom for Europe, but most of the Germanic rulers who picked things up in its wake continued using Roman policies as well as they could anyway, because it was just easier that way. The kingdoms themselves weren't all connected under one central Rome anymore, and over time things changed of course, but the real trick is that there was always a lot of turmoil in the Roman Empire itself anyway, especially in the 3rd-5th centuries. A large portion of Rome's European territory was effectively being run by the "barbarians" by 476 anyway, because Rome itself was struggling significantly with economy problems and a shoddy military, so they outsourced to the Germanic peoples for military help and repaid them by essentially giving them vassalages. And then of course there's the additional twist in the history of Charlemagne, because Rome's legacy and prominence in Europe was still so strong even 300 years later that this completely unrelated guy wanted to go around and try to reestablish a Roman Empire. It only really held up in Germany and northern Italy after his death, but that simple unification was also highly glorified by a certain group of violent reactionaries many centuries later. Reactionaries have a vested interest in embellishing the "golden era" of Roman times while exaggerating the "fall", because it gives them justifications for their own hatred.
@@RecRoomPlays Not to forget that only a few years after the "fall" Theoderic established himself as de facto Emperor of Rome, even though it was basically only Italy and Illyria at that point. And the Pope is still a thing.
@@RecRoomPlays You can just say that Hitler called Charlemagne the First Reich in his vision of German history, you can be a bit more direct about these things.
You ever notice when people talk about the fall of the Roman Empire the thing they mention a) happens a few hundred years before the Western Roman empire falls and b) totally neglects the Eastern Roman Empire.
Also they get timelines completely wrong. They show pictures of nero and caligula fucking their sisters or whatever but after nero the empire expirienced the 5 good emperors and grew to its greatest extent.
My favorite is when they say that Rome fell because they turned away from Christian values when the empire was built and thrived long before Christianity was introduced to it
@@thepotato513 And more, turning *to* Christian Values is something that happened pretty close to the decline of the WRE! Claiming the opposite of that is less absurd, really.
I'm actually doing my history course work on this it's a really interesting topic. Invasions are the most obvious factor however others like inflation, plebeian reform and even the mini ice age that occurred at the time are all factors.
As a history nerd who probably could’ve gotten a minor in college, I seriously cannot understand how he got to 95% of his points. Just… incomprehensible. Edit: So saw his line about the furries. “If we just had a better personal code we’d be able to shame them!” Uhh… you do know people shame them a lot…? Seriously he doesn’t know anything about the world.
I honestly dont get all the hate for furries. They are legit just people that enjoy media involving anthro animals. Yes it can be pornographic, but not exclusivly. Its literally just an interest, hence to the term "furry FANDOM". Do most people just think furries are animal rapists??
Too many history professors smoke crack pipes and are fascists as well. He likely was lucky to have a crackpipe professor himself to grade him like that.
Furries are basically similar to weebs with a different sort of media. Also furries are incredibly inclusive because a majority of it is just lgbtq people. The 18+ stuff is weird at times but so is h***** and from what I can tell that’s deemed more acceptable by internet normies.
Whatifalthist cites Ibn Khaldun without actually knowing what he wrote about lol. Khaldun wrote about how the collapse of societies is caused by people not being well-connected to each other, rather than decadence. When people aren’t well-connected, they don’t help each other as much, and society crumbles because people are just looking out for themselves.
This comment has effectively convinced me that Vaush's fanbase is just as stupid as he is. It's all ad hominem arguments. It's shit like this which is so logically faulty it causes my overly rational autist brain to crash. Clearly not worth my time, but to fit in I might as well say you have hydrocephaly since ad hominems are apparently a really good argument.
I was browsing through r/badhistory and he's a quite a recurring character. His ideas are also MUCH farther right than he let on in the two vids Vaush has watched + their discussion
Decadence improves America how? Which nation *improved* with significant decadence? Which decadent nation did *not* collapse? Thought so, cheers. Btw, Vaush is just salty that he couldn't cite any references during their debate. Tbf tho, Rudyard lost that debate - the moment he agreed to debate (clout chasing) Vaush, was the moment Rudyard lost.
You guys don't get it, his full name is "What if Alt History Was Real History And I Based All Of My Analysis Off Of The Things That I Imagine" but YT wouldn't let him use that many characters 😂😂
He really is all of us at like 16, when we thought each new piece of information brought us even closer to knowing everything, and we were moments away form putting the entire puzzle together lmfao.
Yeah, sounds about right. Except as we learned at 16, we slowly realized just how much more we didn't know. I for one at 39 will be first to admit that around 25 I actually thought I understood quite a lot about the world, history, natural sciences.. Yet today, I truly know just how little I know since I never specialized in any one field, since I am endlessly curious for everything from biology to astronomy. At the same time will absolutely admit that my worldview when I was in my 20ies, I was closer to a dumb-ass then to a wise person. That was with actual traveling, seeing Asia, America and other places in the world. This guy might grow up one day and just delete himself from the internet, due to all the cringe he spouts, yet wisdom I acquired during the years, makes me believe, he will more probably just become a right wing grifter.. After all, he somehow has 500k subs, and is in his twenties and he is already slowly realizing just how much more money he could be getting by sucking that Kohcs brother shlong..
Agreed. I am a history major and former teacher and I rated way better high school work. He doesn't seem to know the basics from anything to philosophies to historic demographic patterns and back. This is just fash nonsense.
"Chattering class: the educated urban literate populations who take talking about political and moral problems as hobbies." So, like Whatifalthist, but educated.
Not a Nazi just a fascist-lite political figure, lets be careful with our language. Fascist-lite in that he thinks people can only get meaning and validation from a powerful nation state based on traditional values. One fantastic thing is that he is probably a black pill incel type but in this video he temporarily took this weird position that modern women are sleeping with ugly weak guys out of sympathy which completely goes against black pill ideology.
It's really weird how these people will simultaneously argue that everything that went wrong in history was the fault of women, but also that only men are able to shape history
It's so fucking funny how he does the hypergamy thing with leftism out of absolutely nowhere. I read the slide and actually thought "wait, literally what"
This is a given, with every conservative historian, they tend to stay below radar during college, but the moment they get out they began to spew every shitty idea they had since first year.
@@Socialism_on_Roids I am a history and archeology student. In my class there is some dude who's a Jordan Peterson fan (mfer actually brought his book in university class) and hates "BLM cucks". How he's managed to stay here for so long is something only God knows. Maybe it's because the professors avoid to talk about the "SJW shit" he hates in class (aka gay people in Ancient or Modern Greece). In fact, whenever something gay is discussed in class, it seems to be in a gossipy style before the professor starts the proper lecture.
@@torcaace Oh, my God... That takes me back. Back when I was attending uni, all of the conservative Poli Sci, sociology, criminal justice, philosophy, and history students would sit in the back of the class just to avoid class discussion, and this was in spite of JSU having an overabundance of right-wing faculty. Their takes on politics and social issues were generally so bad that they couldn't even thrive in an environment where the professors took it easy on them. We're talking about professors who were former GOP congress members, former leaders of the College Republicans, and a professor who had a position as one of the leaders of the Religious Right here in Alabama, the nation's most conservative state.
29:23 London was the largest city on planet earth by 1800 and he's saying the UK was known for being rural? What is he on about the industrial revolution that occurred in Britain first starting in 1760 meant most people were moving to cities, towns and a lot of villages grew to become towns.
Japan industralizing and urbanizing during the Meiji Era (late 19th century) led to the once closed off, pastoral island being the strongest economy and military in East Asia, and dominated all of its more traditional, rural neighbours, winning wars against the much larger, more populous, but extremely rural and traditionalist Qing China in 1895, a more rural Russian Empire in 1905, and had fought a largely disorganized, less developed China to a stalemate in the 1930s-1940s (until the Allies were involved).
Exactly. The UK had a 50 year head start on France in terms of industrialisation. France didn’t start industrialising in earnest until after the napoleonic wars since, you know, when all the french men are out fighting for 20 years straight it’s kinda hard to kickstart an industry. He literally pulled that rural-urban shit out of his ass (like basically everything else in this fever dream of a video).
"Decadence leads to the fall of civilizations, but you as an individual can avoid this degeneracy by purifying your chakras, and there's no better way to do this than buy healing crystals."
You need to debate Whatifalthist again and this time ask him to come on at a time where he doesn't have a 9pm doctors appointment 30 minutes after it starts
I want him to set his sights higher. Ted Nugent, well known pedia-file, was on InfoWars begging to debate Beto. I sooooo want some of the "debate bros" to start going at him on social media wanting to debate him
historical misconception from whatifalthist in literally the first seconds of the video, vomitoriums were not a place where roman nobles would throw up to eat more food, it was actually a series of entrances and exits to roman apetheaters.
It's hilarious because that's like the most famously misunderstood thing of all time by now. It's the kind of thing you will get a million redditors up your ass about
@@henriquepacheco7473 No, you missed him saying the very quote I posted here! Its in this very video!! Watch the whole thing and find it! Nothing is out of context, he just genuinely does not understand history lol
If anyone's interested in an actual, highly researched historical analysis of Rome, or of the Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment era that Whatifalthist is dancing around here, I'd recommend much of Mike Duncan's work. His History of Rome podcast is an extremely drawn out recounting of nearly the entire history of Rome, and his Revolutions podcast covers many of the Western Liberal revolutions of the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries, from the English Revolution to the Haitian Revolution, and from the Revolutions of 1848 to the Mexican Revolution. He does a really great job narrativizing these topics to make them more presentable to people who may be more averse to in-depth history, it's really good.
there is also a channel on yt that I enjoy watching immensely called "The historian's craft". He has some excelent videos, especially about late antiquity (so late Roman Empire) and Japan
Honestly you could probably go all the way back to Edward Gibbon and get a better argued thesis on the fall of Roman Empire than whatever this video is!
Okay, "survival of the fittest" does not mean "survival of the most athletic" or "survival of the most dominant." It means "those best suited to survive within a given environment, will thrive the most." Also, who people choose to have kids with is wholly subjective. This guy needs to feel kelp.
"Hard times create strong men, strong men become hard like the times and they become gay and the hard times become big strong gay men times. " - Whatifaltlist
How to Whatifalthist : 1 mention a random empire in history blurt out 2 random facts about them so it looks like you know who they are 2. Mention name of author, nothing from their writing just say it so it adds authority to your video. 3. Make wild parallel from this fantasy story you've made up in your head, somehow distill 500 years of history into one line, so obviously not true. 4. Smuggly end the video for your 9pm doctor appointment For Example, At the time as we know there were three major colonies we will look at the Larger European, stretching 3,600 miles across the Mediterranean, the symbol of the ant is very much like today I Whatifalthist, I am aworker ant toiling away at my nonsencial maps. Stuck here while the Queens strut around doing nothing, just enjoying fancy ice cream parties that they don't invite me to. But back to the symbol of the ant they have 9 noses like the nine deadly sins of the left today. As Bert Hölldobler seminal books imply and Woody Allen says You Da Ant! And this why the leftist must be stopped if you read my 20 pages of tangential disjointed screed I've got as the backgrounds to the video, you'll see why what they believe is wrong. Oh you have a question well I'm sorry I have a erm hairdresser appointment, yes at 3am that's capitalism we aren't lazy like you socialists!
Don't forget : -Attributing feelings to entire countries -Critique cultures using loaded emotional terms -Describe the absence of religion as a weakness -Equate Nazi theory with reality -Make up nonsensical ideas, attribute them to Marxists
“Historical astrology “! Perfectly said. This dude’s takes are indistinguishable from the “theories” my best friend and I came up with when we were 9 year old Catholic school girls.🙄
You guys don't get it, his full name is "What if Alt History Was Real History And I Based All Of My Analysis Off Of The Things That I Imagine" but YT wouldn't let him use that many characters 😂
Historical Astrology but your horoscope only ever reads "Your generation marks the decline of civilization. Your people used to value patriarchal characteristics such as honor, virtue, and rationality."
Hey Vaush, I just want to thank you. I was in a difficult place, watching youtubers like Whatifalthist, in a prime position to be sucked into the alt right pipeline. But it was your debate with whatifalthist, leading me to finding all these deconstructions of bad faith arguments, which really snapped me back into reality. Thank you.
@@cweb9169 yeah lol, channels like these have really helped me. Vaush has a kind of fatherly energy which motivates me to actually do stuff e.g. register to vote, exercise more often, procrastinate less
@@thecatinthefedora1201 When we're missing something we often times try to replace it with self destructive attitudes or beliefs. Nihilism and so on. But when someone like you can reflect and realize you were angry or depressed and wanted to make it outward rather than inward - it's a good thing. Regardless of how or why or when you got out of the pipeline you did! Be proud of that friend!
@@cweb9169 thanks bro :) I love the support you're giving me. And yes, nihlism is way overrated. As loathe as I am to quote whatifalthist, he did get one thing right when he said that "if you believe nothing matters and the world is meaningless, then that means that your nihlistic argument is meaningless and doesn't matter, so I can ignore it"
@@thecatinthefedora1201 Lol sure thing man. And you know what they say about broken clocks. Same works for hack 'historians' I guess. Lol. Stay strong my dude! Better together than doomering your way forward alone!
Someone once posted a video of his on reddit (r/GenZ), called A Historian Explains Being Gen Z and I felt compelled to comment and inform whoever was watching that Whatifalthist is not a credentialed historian, then someone replied to me and actually said "You don’t need a college peace of paper with weighting on it to be a professional in something". I was utterly shocked and pointed you you needed a college degree to be a doctor/scientist/lawyer etc. To be fair, the person who responded to me conceded my analogy, but they still didn't understand the qualifications a professional historian needs to have and why history students must go to college; they thought it was a waste of money. So I had to explain to them that a deep professional knowledge of history requires a lot of education and training that we can't trust people to be self-taught experts in such matter. The point is, I'm not sure that many people understand what kind of education/training professional historians need to have. They probably think you just need to read a few books, then you're an expert. That's probably why a lot of people (especially young people) take Whatifalthist seriously.
I mean i also do not have a degree but when i do serious work, i cite everything. That is not just for others to check, but also because i personally feel confident in what i say when i present something in a article or research. (Exceptions are youtube comment section because i'm lazyyyyyy. But in a video, i would cite of course since that is meant to talk to a broad audience directly)
@@admiralfrancis8424 especially on a subject like history I agree that you don't need a degree to be a professional, the information is out there and if you are interested in the subject but don't have the money or time to attend college you can study it yourself. Ofcourse this would be evident in the video's quality and the citing of sources. In the case off whatifalthist the source is psychedelics and obscure nazi adjacent books so he's clearly not a professional. A doctor is different since he'd need practical experience wich is only attainable with the correct schooling. If you study a specific section off law for a case you want to defend you can legally defend yourself and historically this has happened succesfully.
@@mayastic9570 "especially on a subject like history I agree that you don't need a degree to be a professional" Yes, you do. Becoming a professional historian isn't just about reading a few books, it requires a lot of training that needs to be tested. You need to do analyses and research that has to be reviewed by more credentialed historians. It's not a subject that can merely be self-taught. It's very disheartening to see how many people don't appreciate or realize what kinds of qualifications professional historians need to have. " If you study a specific section off law for a case you want to defend you can legally defend yourself and historically this has happened succesfully" But can you become a professional lawyer? Can we trust people to become self-taught experts on law and history? Spoiler alert: NO!
@@CambrianAnomalocaris " I think it’s possible to be a self-taught expert on law and/or history but it would be extremely difficult" The self-taught expert would have to be tested and reviewed by other historians, that's how we will know someone is truly a self-taught expert. Self-taught experts have to be verified before they can claim they are self-taught experts.
"I can't think of a single war where the urban country beat a rural country" IMMEDIATELY brings up Rome, who conquered the fucking Gauls, who, get this, were RURAL
The painting he shows to represent civilization was made in Europe around 1510, right when Europe was barbaric in his argument. This guy sure gets history.
@@honest_126 Just gonna copy and paste verbatim what my comment said. ">They elected Kalakaua Kinda skimmed over a few others but ok >He was super corrupt What? >Implying the white business owners were justified in forcing the Bayonet Constitution on Kalakaua What the fuck >Said Liliuokalani was put in power by the whites when Kalakaua named her his successor in the event of his death or abdication Yo what the fuck is this >Hawaiians considered themselves apart of the Commonwealth No the fuck they didn't lmao it was mutually understood that Hawaii was not and never would be a British possession. The Union Jack was incorporated into the flag because Kamehameha I considered himself a subject, not the entire Kingdom, and appreciated the efforts of the British for advising him and selling him war materiel. One of the first western ships he bought was flying the standard of the British East India Company as well. And the mutual understanding that Hawaii wasn't a British subject was solidified with the Paulet Affair in 1843, where a British Captain acting on his own tried to take over the Islands and named himself Governor, before his superiors found out and immediately demoted him and gave Hawaii back to Kamehameha III. This shit is easy to look up, it's not like this is niche information you have to dig for. Is this why people hate alt history channels? It seems like you did fuck all in terms of actual research. Do you guys just wake up one day and sorta scrounge together what little knowledge you have and act like authorities on the subject? Maybe calling yourself a haole was a good move because this is some hella whitewashy shit"
1:11:30 Think Whatifalthist needs to work on his own personal honor first, before critiquing society, as he's the coward that ran away half way through the Vaush debate for his 9pm doctors appointment.
Hey!!! He has a very bad case of no brain disease and his 30 minutes into debate with Vaush doctors appointment is VERY IMPORTANT for his recovery. We're all about people getting medical help until it's suspiciously timed mid-debate. Smh.
There’s a thin subtle line between braindead and crackpot. Hake is the braindead; Utter head empty. Simple, direct speech. Zero obfuscation or shame: “2 + 2 equals Woman bad! everyone knows that! because they are degenerate” Whatifalthis is the crackpot; Wordsalad, incoherent and lengthy ramblings which clarify nothing, despite it’s use of concepts and historical details - all of which are misrepresented - in an attempt to grant a veneer of sophistication: “The crisis of succession over the title of Holy Roman Emperor in the late 15th century demonstrates the pitfalls of Epistemological Materialism responsible for the 2nd to 3rd wave of Feminist Ideology, so deeply ingrained into the family court tyranny of our dionysian establishmentarian decadence” Know Your Crank
I've had an idea rolling around in my head for a while, where I make a video in the style of whatifalthist, but I remove all of the uhh's, but's, and breaths to make a one hour long run-on sentence, I think it might be funny
Whatifaltist is good at one thing and one thing only: regurgitating historical info he has read. Whenever he spoke about something sufficiently removed from modern history and his inane political views, his stupidity was masked by all the books he read. In the past few months (i think somewhat prompted by the vaush convo), the ratio of passable historical analysis to insane bullshit has increased exponentially. He's an insult to history YT, the alternate history community, and the world in general. AlternateHistoryHub is this guy but with good takes and maps that don't look like vomit.
He doesn't even remember books he read well because he drowns in his own bias and need to reframe everything into his crackpipe worldview. Example of this is his misunderstanding of vomiturioms was not people in Rome throwing up but because entrances and exits at arenas had so many people coming in and out so they said it "vomited" out people. That combined with the fact the books he reads are outdated 100 years old because he prefers reading fascist and Nazi historians and hate modern historians.
Let me rephrase your first words: regurgitating historical info he has read *or making stuff up, sometimes obviously and most of times stupidly*. Case on point: the usage of the word *vomitorium* almost made me vomit, because whoever has seen a roman amphiteater or circus (Or read about their structure) knows what the fucking *vomitorium* was for, and that latin is not "pick a word you like from your language, add um/us and improvise the definition"... But he knows his fans are almost as braindead as him, but with even less knowledge about, so... Grifter's gonna grift.
I don't understand what's alt history about this guy, he's a fascistic person trying to fit the square peg of his worldview into the round hole of history.
@@simonjaz1279 yeah man, i’m coping real hard right now. super mad about this random and obviously cringe history video. can’t get it off my mind. i haven’t slept in 3 days due to the shock of getting OWNED with facts and logic
@@gannonmb HAHAHA yeah, you wish it was that bad. I've watched a few of whatifalthist videos and I hate to break it to ya...they are not that bad. Not bad enough to cope over and certainly a level above whatever vaush could do...I mean...he is basically special needs after all.
@@gargeebanerjee2333 well as a serious historian some of it is bad but most of his ideas have a sound background and potential. I refuse to explain to someone who clearly isn't educated on the topic like you, but its absolutely the truth.
I’m gonna be honest, I did used to enjoy some of whatalthist’s videos. Not his social views, but some of his more speculative stuff was at least interesting. He made some interesting speculations on what the actual next WW3 would most likely be the result of and who would most likely be the catalyst for it. But at some point I was just watching a video of his and he mentioned he had no education in history and that sort of just killed it for me, it wasn’t intentional but I just completely lose interest in his content after that. I understand that you can be smart and well read and have a decent conceptual understanding of things even if you’re not directly educated, but there is big asterisks there. You can have science channels like Veritasium or Vsauce where people who aren’t literal physicists or physics degree holders explain to you ideas and developments in physics. But the difference is they aren’t making their own conclusions, they are communicating the findings and explanations of actual physicists to the audience in a more entertaining and digestible way. But someone like whatifalthist actively draws his own conclusions and speculations based on the history stuff he reads. He’s not just presenting something the wider history field has stated, he’s maybe citing ideas from some books but largely trying to pass off his own speculation and ideas from his own understanding. And that’s something that really isn’t the most reliable thing when you haven’t been properly educated in a field. It’s one thing to have a non-historian just communicate to you in an entertaining video the findings of major historical sources, it’s another for a non-historian to actively give statements and assumptions that are framed like an expert opinion but from someone who isn’t educated on the matter.
Hell its worse than that: if you wanna call yourself a *historian* like he does in this video (and not just a history communicator), your shit has to be informed by first hand accounts. You *must* study census records, journals by nobles and peasants, merchant transactions, ship cargo logs, archeological artifacts, etc. TH-camrs you mentioned like Veritasium and Vsauce are waaaay closer to being actual scientists than whatalthist is to being a historian, because they at least actually do experiments.
I remember watching him for a while. He wasn't so bad in the past I can agree, I stopped watching after it was less about alt history and more about him injecting very peculiar beliefs in to his videos, which at some point became just a rambling lazy mess.
His absurd alternate history videos were really entertaining, his Aztec and Ethiopia videos were my fav, then he switched to making modern geopolitical videos and his schizo-takes really shined.
@@Trollge398 we live in the 21st century. I can't tell if "living in the 20th century" is meant as a jab at WIAH or an actual typo, so I decided to warn you about it.
You can absolutely be more well read and have a better understanding of things than most professionals without formal education, but that requires *actually building those skills* through some other means. If you actually put in the effort, you can do extremely well, especially given the amount of resources made more accessible by the internet (scihub, piracy sites, etc). The problem with Whatifalthist is that he doesn't care, he's perfectly content with just being a smug asshole because it keeps the views coming.
A little correction/lecture on norse pagan culture: Contrary to popular belief, there was no such thing as "when you die in battle, you get to go to valhalla". Valhalla surprisingly wasn't an equivalent to christian heaven and not seen as a reward for doing good in life; in fact, it was seen as a spiritual sacrifice. You're sacrificing the eternity of afterlife for the gods, and get a short (relative to eternity) period of awesome partying in return. Most people were considered to go to an afterlife in Nifelheim, where you...kinda just exist the same way you did in life, but as a spirit. Nothing exciting, but also no eternal torment in/by Hel, which was mostly reserved for actually bad people. See, the mythology behind this is that Odin had a prophecy told to him that foretold Ragnarök, so he's preparing for it. Hence, he's recruiting the most valorous of fallen warriors to serve as his soldiers (called Einherjar) during Ragnarök. And because dying as a spirit soldier during the last battle kinda sucks when everyone else gets a chill afterlife, in exchange for that you get to party a bunch. It's kinda like real life army service, only more cool and with partying and drinking and stuff. Then there's also the fact that Ragnarök is cyclical, so Odin has already tried this and failed a bunch of times, so you shouldn't get your hopes up that you will survive Ragnarök if you become Einherjar.
How decadence was the downfall of Rome: Rome 200BC: Favorite hobbies: Orgies, gladiatorial games Rome 1AD: Favorite hobbies: Orgies, gladiatorial games Rome 200AD: Favorite hobbies: Orgies, gladiatorial games
“Decadence is when culture is put above reality” Humans literally can’t exist outside culture. Even science at the end of the day is culture and not reality. Any claim to a “natural” state of being is a cultural claim since you can only conceive the concept “natural” through a contrast with “cultural”, and thus will always be viewed through a lens of language and thus culture. It is inescapable. You can’t think without language, you can’t see without language, the only way we can know an object falls with X acceleration is because we have given physical propertied a name. Try to see something for which you have no name or no concept in your head. It is physically impossible. Try watching LOTR without sound or subtitles, you will understand nothing. Reading LOTR will give you an even deeper, more immerse experience with just letters. Language is the matrix, it is what allows us to have thoughts. And culture is a shared language system. Thus it is impossible to put “reality” above culture because that very thought is cultural, as soon as you define natural you have made it cultural.
'The study of decadence, now frowned upon in a post Nazi society.' Didn't realize 'decadence' was an entire discipline to be 'studied' by serious 'historians' like himself.
Right wing youtubers reeeaally fell off hard after Sargon shit the bed with his campaign into mainstream britbonger politics. Wish more people knew about that shitshow.
I want to make another comment about this butch history. The Mongols were a sophisticated people. They had a pretty advanced empire and the gunpowder came to the Europeans from the Mongols. The Chinese also used gunpowder weapons which the Mongols possessed later into their armaments. This man actually abides by the idea of “Savage civilizations” and “Barbarians.” This is not a historian. This is just an angry white dude who wants history how sees fit.
I did watch an interesting video about Samurai. Supposedly, most of our conception about Samurai honor and mythology came about during the late Edo period and after, during which Samurai played much more of a domestic servant role. During the period in which they were dedicated warriors, it seems they were just rich dudes with armor and bows; no special honor system outside of the deals they made with their lords.
Funny thing about that is this lines up almost completely parallel to the culture of knights and chivalry, in which it was mostly during the post-renaissance period that romance about a knight's honor became the focal point of a noble's sense of spiritual actualization, since the landed gentry of this time would most likely never have the chance to be the warriors they perceived their ancestors to be. In reality, knights during most of medieval europe were glorified thugs who shook down peasants for tax collection as much as they could within the law so that they could live comfortably while paying upward to the next guy in the protection racket that was feudalism. There was a self-aggrandizing culture, sure, though not nearly on the same fantastical level as what they would become.
Yeah, if I recall correctly they were literally just wealthy mercenaries that got woven into the political system during the centralisation of power in Japan.
@@666kittycat666 It's not correct to say there were "no" guidelines for being "chivalrous" in both feudal Europe and Japan, HOWEVER, it was like an ethics code for politicians, never followed to the T and clearly less important than their figurative wallet even in the best of times.
@@Alias_Anybody I get that. It doesn’t make much difference to the people though when the ethics code is to not rape noble women but peasants are free game.
Is this dude's argument really that society is failing because we're not barbaric enough? I've heard a lot of crazy shit in my life but this is definitely up there.
That Dude really thinks he is some kind of authority in History, completely missing the point that people subscribed to him for "alternative history"-videos and predictions which are all essentially fiction. ...fiction based on surface-level knowledge about history. Really wonder how you can develop such a massive ego on so little expertise. His subscriber count must have went to his head.
I still want to do the most comical Looney Tunes act to him after he suggested four blacks (two of whom were mixed race Canadians) appearing on a random Billboard artist top 10 of 2021 (which only ranked sales and streaming of works credited under them without any regard for how they were treated in real life, mind you) disproved systemic racism. Nobody brings it up because it doesn't prove poop.
I remember sitting through Monsieur's video on what he thinks would happen if the Right and Left got into a civil war. Every single weakness he attributed to the Left in that video could be attributed to the Right. That being said, the video was still no where near as vile or smooth-brained as the jackasses in the comments section.
@@Socialism_on_Roids Monsieur Z believes things about the Left, that Hitler believed about The USSR. "They are so evil and degenerate we will kill em all easily!...oh, they arent all dying instantly? Oh, they are invading my country!? oh. Guess I'll die."
@Jean Sanchez not really since the guy also thinks eugenics is good while whatifalthist dosen't. they are both suss though and mr z gives of fash vibes.
the sad thing is, his brash, aggressive, and lazy style of speaking and labeling things probably appeals to young people who feel they've been lied to in their history classes
To be fair, history class is usually pretty bad as far as education is concerned. But yeah althist certainly does subscribe to a philosophy of shaping the world to fit into the perspective of the individual. It appeals to emotion rather than challenges it, confidently mischaracterizing it as 'common sense'.
42:26 firstly the EU did not exist in 1970, so not sure how he's getting those numbers secondly He talks about the EU the largest trading block on earth which is as capitalist as you can get, and says that is going away from capitalism somehow. Thridly we see the greatest decrease in the EU share of world GDP after the Berlin Wall fell and the Eastern block disappeared, which is when all those countries went from command economies to capitalist ones. But he's claiming that was when they left capitalism?
I guess "EU" here is referring to "Europe" as a whole, though without clarification, knowing which countries are counted into it is basically impossible. Like, does it include the entire Eastern Bloc at the time, counting both East and West economies together? This chart is useless for his point.
“Decadence is when Europe stopped believing in god” So decadence was in the enlightenment era? The enlightenment wasn’t just anti-monarchy, but also set roots for atheism, with philosophical writings like “Candide”, written by voltaire or “Persan letters” by Montesquieu. It’s also a reason why a lot of Jewish people started immigrating in Europe, as there wasn’t such a stigma around religion.
7:03 Nepal has never been communist though.Communism has influenced and dominated at one point,the political sphere but its never been communist like China. UML(The country's biggest communist party) has been fully commited to parliamentary democracy for decades and the only time Nepal might have had a Communist takeover was during the civil war by the Maoists. However,that never happened and the Maoists too are now fully integrated to the Democratic system. Infact,one criticism that many communists had of Prachanda(Maoist leader) was that he gave it all up and join hands with the other parties to establish a multiparty republic (which is a whole different topic) So the guy who made that map is on crack
He also included the Finns in the "too pussy to fight" graph even though few nations are as eager to grab guns if Putin does anything funny. Like, in any survey about that topic.
When Vaush said that modern progressivism stems from the same root as the civil rights movement, WhatIfAltHist thought "You're right, they are the same. I should hate both!"
I hope this becomes a regular segment he does every couple of months because it is just so entertaining watching voosh be completely baffled like every 30 seconds
I don't fault any TH-camr for making a buck with ads but that Scottish Lordship thing is a straight-up scam on par with Star Registries. Considering that this is a guy who presents himself as an authority on geopolitics and history it seems incredibly deceitful for him to peddle completely phony lordships to his viewers.
Also, his understanding of barbarian societies is incredibly stupid and childish. He seems to have fully bought into the myth of the uncivilised barbarian savage. But anyone who studies history should know that this isn't true. They may have been less advanced, but they were still agricultural societies with laws and hierarchy
13:17 Not only was an overwhelming majority of Germans Christian in Nazi Germany - Germany's Christian population is about half Protestant and half Catholic. When the Nazis took over and also asserted control over the churches, their shared antisemitism was the overarching commonality that was glueing the two confessions together. Not only where the Nazis Christians, they tried to create a new Christian denomination.
Sometimes when I watch Vaush's videos debunking shit like this I question my intelligence when I am unable to understand what these people are arguing, but then it's made abundantly clear as the segment goes on that these people simply do not have any tangible, coherent arguments or worldviews and it's basically just fancy sounding gibberish that works backwards from their predetermined conservative conclusions.
Wasn't the point of dueling with pistols more about showing you have the conviction to your words that you'll risk your life on them rather than just being the winner of the actual duel? Since flintlock pistols were so inaccurate and shitty that both duelist were just more likely to miss than anything? Well, regardless, yes, politicians should have to agree to Shadow Game challenges every so often.
Yeah, duels were more a test of courage for bored European noblemen. Some more "old school" nobles and even bourgeoisie (especially in Germany) preferred blades, which changed it from a test in courage to one in pain (people rarely died, but it leaft nasty scars).
I started laughing when he said that decadence makes history stop. There is no period of time since humans have existed where things just stopped. There were cobflicts, crimes, solutions, art, exploration and so on. Just because it might not have been intense state building or we dont have great written records remaining doesn't mean "history stopped". Unhinged shit, even as a metaphor.
More rural countries defeat more urban countries may be the single dumbest thing I've ever heard a human say. *Looks at literally all of colonialism* (minus Ethiopia). Oh? What's that? You have a qualifier that you don't count culturally rural "primitive" non-white nations? Okay, urban Germany crushed rural Russia in World War 1. What's that? Oh you have another reason that doesn't count because of political issues interfering with war? Okay, Japan beat China and took Manchuria solo mid 1v1.
I cannot believe I used to watch this dipshit's videos. I feel like he used to have interesting ideas about alternate timelines, but the second he started commenting on actual history and on geopolitics, philosophy, and economics he totally fell off a cliff.
The fucked thing is that from a certain angle there is some "truth" to his ravings, but the thing that often leads to the decline of great civilisations isn't this nebulous "decadence", it's a much broader sense of complacency and stagnation - No longer innovating, reminiscing about the "good ol' days", dismissing the idea that any upstart might ever come to rival your glory... Y'know, the things CONSERVATIVES LIKE TO DO
Any time I see the words "decadence", "hedonism", "collapse of Western civilization" or "degenerate" in a TH-cam history video I can predict their political views with 100% accuracy.
DRINKING GAME: Take a shot every time Vaush says, “Wait, _what?”_
The game is called *WhatIfAlcoholPoisoning.*
An hour in and I may need to vomit to make room for more alcohol. what decadence.
DEADLY DRINKING GAME: Take a shot every time Vaush puffs on African male genitalia...
@@drcowan3468 well that would get his stream banned so that wouldn’t be very fun of a game to play
WhatIfAlcPois
That’s a deadly game
"Even the witch trials were an effective way of weeding out non-breedable women-" the way he glossed over that like it was a completely normal and not at all utterly psychotic thing to say made my body convulse and produce strange sounds. I think I had a cringe anyuerism
Wishing you a swift recovery! we all suffered from this
The guy who all but started the witch hunts in Catholic central Europe was a Tyrolian guy who, if he lived today, would be a textbook incel. In other words, he and Whatif would really like each other, actually.
Same as someone with a penis this was still hard to hear
And weren't the majority of victims of the witch trials very much..."breedable?" 😖
(I'm assuming by "breedable" he means young and fertile women.)
Hmmmm...I wonder if his religion is making it hard to recognize that for most of Christian history it was used by anti-science delusional people who genuinely believed in magic and witches.
He makes it sound like the witch accusation was just a cover up for the true reason of just getting rid of women who can't have babies or whatever.
No genuine beliefs involved at all.
If it wasn't his precious fellow Christian Bible worshippers conducting the witch trials, I bet he wouldn't be so apologetic and rewriting history. 🤔
Soooo many levels of creepy and fucked in that statement
The reason he considers coups and funding dissidents abroad as a form of diplomacy is because in the strategy games he plays when he wants to infiltrate another countries government he goes to the "diplomacy tab"
While completely insane, the whole "Paradox Game Theory" would explain quite a bit about his positions, its definitely possible
If only he played CIV where those are in the espionage tab
Not going to lie to amount of people who think that any of this information is in a paradox game is alarming.
You losers heard vaush make this joke once on stream and ran with it. It’s not even your original joke…..
@@seanbeadles7421more pseudo intellectuals from the vaush community rehashing jokes…..
It's always funny how people will just invent some extremely simplified or just wrong version of marxist thought and then criticize it for being not complex enough to describe reality.
nice name
I still can't get past how effective anti-communist propaganda has continued to be. Most normies still think it's Communism vs Democracy rather than Communism vs Capitalism. Marxism is much more representationally democratic than what we currently have (in the US, especially), so it's ludicrous if you know much of anything about any of the related topics. But normies don't.
I've found it effective to point out that Communism is not in opposition to democracy, it's in opposition to Capitalism (especially unregulated). They are associating the totalitarian governments who have intentiknall misused communism as a cover for corruption and abuses of power with the economic principle they hid behind. There's a reason that has happened so many times. People want the things that Marxism calls for, they just don't understand the meaning of the words they are using.
It's no surprise when you realize how active and intentional the propaganda campaign against it was during the Cold War. And that was after the biggest baddies in popular history had misappropriated the term Socialist. Again, because it was more popular and palatable than fascism. Fascists love to misuse words. It degrades the importance of facts and accuracy, among other effects.
and actually pushes people to get a vote on much more of what affects their daily lives. Unions and worker co-ops are completely democratic. As long as they don't become corrupt, but that's pretty easy to regulate for.
Das Kapital is like the theory equivalent of House of Leaves but yeah, not complex enough. I had someone last week who's taking econ claim that socialism is when the government interferes with the market in any way ever, I don't understand where people get these ideas.
@@TayTayMakesBeats indoctrination.
The system must ensure the worship of capital continues.
@@TayTayMakesBeats The united states is my favorite socialist country
Whatifalthist: "Decadence is bad and leads to the downfall of civilizations."
Also Whatifalthist: "Come buy a square of land in Scotland and become a Scottish Lord."
thats actually different because the square of land is actually achieving something
@@LydiaMoMydia What is it achieving?
@@andrewaustin8135 apparently they plant a tree there too if you buy in supposedly, so yanno, that’s technically not nothing
@@Maze86753 They are a scam. You get no real title and there's no evidence that they plant any trees.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 that fucking sucks if true… damn
"Marx makes oversimplistic statements about history"
"Yeah, I agree, he was wrong about-"
"Let me tell you about Oswald Spengler's Decline of the West"
"Oh."
"Marxists try to frame history through a simple narrative of class conflict, and it just doesn't take everything into account"
"Oh ok maybe, I guess?"
"So yeah basically decadence is the driving force that explains all of history and our current societal development and then after 10 years people get tired of partying and something something"
Spengler was a genius, marx was not
Spengler declares himself resolutely opposed to labor strikes (Spengler describes them as "the unsocialistic earmark of Marxism"), trade unions ("wage-Bolshevism" in Spengler's terms), progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich ("dry Bolshevism"), any shortening of the working day (he argues that workers should work even on Sundays), as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment.such a genius 😂
This guy sounds like me at 17 when I thought I could explain the entire history of the world based on vague generalities
He reminds me of me at 14 when I believed in Graham Hancocks work and thought that the sphinx was made in the time of leo, which was well before the time it was supposedly built.
(I'm glad I got into epistemology and realised my idiocy) 🤣
Ad hominem attacks are no way to make an intellectual statement. But alas, it's the way of the marxist liberal. Let me guess, you're now 18.
He literally took his vague generalized assumptions about the way the world worked, added in some white nationalist "history," and never learned anything considered accurate historical facts. I thought the point of alt history was to play out "what if" scenarios as realistically as possible.
Did you see the image he used for "Vikings"? It was straight out of pop culture. Nazis always have such a weird thing with Vikings.
How does this guy get any views? The Right has such absurdly low standards even for their pseudo-intellectuals. They are just so desperate for even a wiff of authenticity. That's why they celebrate fools like Jordan Peterson and have a string of scam colleges.
I suppose it follows that if your bar for "intellectual" is so low, the hobbyist "historians" bar will be subterranean. Haha.
Very accurate, feel the exact same way when I hear him speak
I love how he just talks about “leftism” for the Roman’s downfall, when in reality it was one of the very many plagues that would happen occasionally that greatly crippled the Empire and played a major role in their downfall.
Whatifalthist called Jordan Peterson the next Confucius. I think that's all you need to know
No way lmao
He fucking WHAT?
Here I thought I was gonna get to laugh at a poorly researched history channel, turns out he's an actual fucking Na/i.
What 💀💀💀💀
Nobody I know would ever say something like that about the intellectual/academic/political figures they're influenced by. The hubris is on another level entirely.
The actual fall of Rome:
- wasn't really a fall, as they regrouped their rule
- the Eastern Empire still remained for centuries
- was mostly due to not maintaining their military technological hegemony
- and the increased pay needed to make soldiers actually join their army
- as well as increasing reliance on mercenaries
- in combination with over expansion
- and unrest among other 'barbarian' tribes
- corruption and mismanagement among politicians and the wealthy elite
- the wealthy relied on slavery for work, and slaves became less abundant
- the wealthy fled Rome and set up independent fiefdoms
... the weaknesses of Rome came from their elite, not their population. And it was corruption and self interest among themselves which drove that.
And I don’t get it, aren’t those folks simps for the kingdoms and later nations who came upon afterwards the fall of the (western) Roman Empire? Wasn’t that super-structure keeping all these cultures and people’s under forced unification? Shouldn’t they like that it fell? Don’t they accuse the EU of doing that, and that’s why they despise it??
Sir, that sounds like Marxism! What about number of orgies per minute!?
Plus the system itself is flawed.
You realize decadence is a top-down phenomenon?
Rome played 1K years in the East after the fall of the West.
I always thought the "Paradox gamer" thing was just a joke, but I'm seriously starting to believe that Whatifalthist bases his entire understanding of history on strategy game mechanics. Not the units, characters, or time periods, just the mechanics.
"Well, you see, the Muslim golden age ended becue they failed to keep their Decadece rating under 75%, causing randomly spawning tribal rebellions. Meanwhile, the Norse embraced Christianity since it was the easiest way to upgrade their government and access the late-game policy decisions."
Paradox Interactive games; not even once.
Yeah and shit is annoying too because Paradox makes good games and people like this empty-headed knuckle-dragger give them a bad name
It really sucks how America doesn't have the political capital points to do economic reform and now because the political stability score is low due to unsecured borders that we know how the queer acceptance and student socialism events at the same time, it's basically a death spiral unless you can do a civil war to implement the shame the furries with bushido civic to turn things around.
Communism is kinda OP in Vici 3 and HoI4
i feel called out for playing copius amounts of paradox games.
i dont base my political ideology or understanding on it (yet...) but damn, sometimes i am ashamed to be part of that community when this sort of crackpot poitical thinking is coming from the same place
Hes actually talking about a theory on the downfall of the Roman Empire called "Decadence Theory" in Historians circles. It is an outdated and reductionist theory that has long been expanded upon by the "Socioeconomic Theory" for example.
So after watching a bit more he definitely sounds like he really likes the Decadence Theory. Sexual and cultural deviation ( the existence of non-straight people and the introduction of foreign religions) and heightened immigration inevitably leading to the downfall of "civilized people" is a pretty common talking point with reactionary "historians". Back then Christianity, gay people and "barbarians" destroyed Rome and now its Islam, still gay people and refugees who "destroy the civilized West". Its just racism and reactionary politics packed into a smart sounding professional context.
Yes it's where a lot of the immigration caused the fall of the roman empire ahistorical takes come from used by Neo-Nazis. When in reality it was more of intolerance and refusal to integrate the "barbarians" than immigration
@Oswald Cobblepot basically yes. Lying about history to push their agenda as usual
@Oswald Cobblepot Effectively.
They always blame gay people as if Roman men haven’t been fucking each other since before Rome was founded in the BC era.
By conservative definitions, Europeans before being christianized (and pretty much all major societies in the near east before abrahamic religions) were always sexual deviants, they just ignore how normalized bisexuality was in those societies up until right before they collapse
Then its always the “tHeY wErE cOnQueRd bY sTrOnG bArbaRiAn mEn bEcAuSe tHeY diD aNaL”
thank you this was a good summary
Love it how he consistently puts Finland, a country where roughly 80-90% of the male population both has military training and according to the latest polls is willing to put that training to use in case of invasions, into the pacifist milk toast category.
Also the ones who beat back the Soviets (though these days that's easy to do)
@@thunderspark1536 Well yeah, they don't exist anymore. 😁
@@TheCreator74210 I'm telling ya, if those nonexistent Soviets tried to invade my country, I would fight them all off single-handedly.
we are or were pacifistic and we do like milk and toast. i say it's accurate in that sense
I think my favourite part was when he claimed that "China didn't use the gunpowder they invented" and as evidence shows a picture from a European manual from 1400.
200 years after China invented the first gunpowder-based ranged weapons.
By 1400, they had already come up with concepts like land mines and rocket artillery.
"Decadence is when women date lefties" is actually the height of comedy.
Yeah, that was the best part in this whole thing.
Also the height of his intellectual capacity.
That part was gut busting because his inclusion of that argument makes it pretty clear he either never has or rarely ever gets pussy
"Decadence is when women don't date me."
Even if I genuinely believed that my lack of success with women was because they'd all fooled themselves into being attracted to leftist dudes or whatever there's no way in hell that I'd say it out loud into a microphone, edit it into a video and upload it onto TH-cam for the world to see. Saddest shit I've ever seen, and I own a mirror!
"We moved from civilization into decadence around 1932" -Whatifalthist and probably Hitler
Why did you say Hitler twice, though?
@@Kropothead WIAH could never move people with his rhetoric enough to get elected, don't do my man Hitler this dirty.
Conveniently ignoring the Giilded age, a time known specifically for its decadence.
The US is the new and the last Rome after Moscow
Nein! When the Kaiser united the North and South the decadent Weimar was initiated!
The thing that people arguing about societal collapse from decadence never question is how someone is able to afford decadence. Decadence is a result of massive wealth inequality. Accepting gay people isn't decadence, orgies in marble bathhouses is and for every 10 people in that orgy it took 1000 slaves and poor Romans.
Its always wealth inequality, but conservatives will always scapegoat to culture issues because its their core philosophy.
A lot of the ideas of Roman decadence come from Roman writers who complained about moral decay to make arguments about their contemporaries. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Roman upper classes were up to some freaky shit, but the sources discussing it are heavily biased.
@@jasonfenton8250 Every generation of Roman writers bitched about decadence indeed but I think the modern idea of decadent Romans comes from Gibbon. Don't get me wrong, I think the argument is pretty fraudulent, but you can nip it in the bud by pointing out how it isn't internally consistent with the world view of whoever pushes those ideas even if it were true.
@@shiny_teddiursa Indeed wealth inequality is a part of conservative ideology.
@@jasonfenton8250 The funny thing is, when I read these Roman sources, it's literally just old men complaining about kids these days. Like just about every generation of old conservative people in human history ever.
Amazing how a guy who claims to have read so many history books can hold such slanted and ahistorical takes
The thing about history books, is that publishers often have no academic standards (i.e., peer review), and anyone who can convince them they can write a profitable book can have one published. So while reputable people can and often do write books, it's very possible to have "read lots of history books" while having only read all the dogshit ones.
@@BurgerFred1 not to mention events like Great Zimbabwe where Karl Mauch discovered it, decided it was too complex for Africans to have made and just said that tribes said they think white people used to live there. And that shit became history for a hundred years. History is so slanted due to Western Mythology. Also is it just me or does this dude seem like someone that misses Rhodesia?
Roman history is a memetic hazard. It's unbelievable how many Rome weebs will pour themselves into reading about it, only to know less about Rome than a random person on the street
@SpaceBoy True, but if they're spouting fascist propaganda to amateurs who only want to hear certain types of histories, they won't be able to tell the difference, regardless of whether the actual books are considered contrafactual by the historical community at large
Whatifalthist believes science has been corrupted by communism in the 1960s and doesn't read books that were published after these years (outside of pop-sci dreck)
Whatifalthist serves as a reminder to myself that even when I struggle to study something, there's someone out there who, without fail, will manage to make me look sophisticated and smart by comparison.
But you can't make a lot of money out of this. While him, can.
@@chongjunxiang3002 Him can indeed. Sure.
@@chongjunxiang3002 imagine making money looking like a fool towards the majority of the internet lmao
@@chongjunxiang3002 It’s not difficult to convince racists to pay you to tell them their ideas make sense. They’re desperate for it.
Makes me feel a lot more confident in saying dumb shit
Calling It Crack Pipe History is an offence to crack.
Also as someone who used to smoke lots of drugs, the pipes in the thumbnail were actually meth pipes; crack pipes are generally just straight glass stems
@@GoodModeSC the expert over here.
I think the imagery is too iconic at this point and even if we informed vaudh there is a chance he will just spread the word and keep doing it.
Also meth and lsd probably suit him better, actually.
@@GoodModeSC wait he mentioned is at around 46:25
I smoked crack for the first and last time a couple of weeks ago just because it was offered, shit sucks but still better than WhatIfAltHist.
It’s meth head history.
22:35 I hate how paradox games are finally being talked about but for the worst reasons. Most of us just play these games for fun but fuck man all of the weirdest cringers who like to political roleplay are giving us a terrible rep
Omg I know right! I just want my micromanager simulation. I love eu4 but thinking it’s a realistic portrayal of history is thinking communism is when the gov does everything cause you can chose communism and still have banks/economic districts in CIV6
Love your videos
@@rainbowkrampus personally i prefer open democracies with open genetic options but then i realise the game tries to punish me for that by not micromanaging the population. Still i prefer this option in general cause it is only way to get everything in your civilization ranging from synthetic leaders to psionic evolutionary top tier leaders.
@@rainbowkrampus Depends on the type of game i'm playing, but HOI4 i absolutely want to conquer as much as possible because there's no real objective to it otherwise.
Though most other civilization games i play such as Stellaris or Civ or Humankind i tend to prefer to try and win via more peaceful methods.
@@rainbowkrampus uhh... does my devouring swarm preference say something about me? I swear it's just fun to blob out off of a single war!
The degeneracy idea of the fall of Rome simply doesn't make sense if you study actual Roman history. The decline of Rome was far from linear, it ebbed and flowed between good and bad periods. The reigns of Justinian and Alexios Komnenos took place respectively 150 and 600 years after the fall of the western empire, and they were golden ages in which cultural and technological accomplishments occurred that would have been the envy of Augustan Rome.
Guys like whatifalthist piss me off because they clearly don't care about the actual fascinating history they bring up - all that matters to them is selectively picking things out of context that can support their views.
Ive always counted the Roman Catholic Church as what the Roman Empire morphed into. A system that united Europe and that basically all of Europe was partially controlled by.
Whaaaat?? Are you telling me that the vomitorium was not them eating so much that they would spew?? Is the fall of empires not just a switch they flick for instant ruin?? It wasn’t caused my gay sex but more slaves than citizens, soldiers than land and a complex of gradual political decisions over half a millennium??
Not to mention that the "Fall of Rome" reactionaries always tend to conveniently ignore the Byzantine Empire which continued to persist for another 1000 years after Odoacer deposed Romulus Augustulus in 476.
The "Fall of Rome" narrative in itself is fairly conservative and reactionary though, so it's not surprising that so many conservatives in the modern day latch on to it. Propaganda suggests that the collapse of the Roman empire spelled doom for Europe, but most of the Germanic rulers who picked things up in its wake continued using Roman policies as well as they could anyway, because it was just easier that way. The kingdoms themselves weren't all connected under one central Rome anymore, and over time things changed of course, but the real trick is that there was always a lot of turmoil in the Roman Empire itself anyway, especially in the 3rd-5th centuries. A large portion of Rome's European territory was effectively being run by the "barbarians" by 476 anyway, because Rome itself was struggling significantly with economy problems and a shoddy military, so they outsourced to the Germanic peoples for military help and repaid them by essentially giving them vassalages.
And then of course there's the additional twist in the history of Charlemagne, because Rome's legacy and prominence in Europe was still so strong even 300 years later that this completely unrelated guy wanted to go around and try to reestablish a Roman Empire. It only really held up in Germany and northern Italy after his death, but that simple unification was also highly glorified by a certain group of violent reactionaries many centuries later.
Reactionaries have a vested interest in embellishing the "golden era" of Roman times while exaggerating the "fall", because it gives them justifications for their own hatred.
@@RecRoomPlays
Not to forget that only a few years after the "fall" Theoderic established himself as de facto Emperor of Rome, even though it was basically only Italy and Illyria at that point. And the Pope is still a thing.
@@RecRoomPlays You can just say that Hitler called Charlemagne the First Reich in his vision of German history, you can be a bit more direct about these things.
You ever notice when people talk about the fall of the Roman Empire the thing they mention a) happens a few hundred years before the Western Roman empire falls and b) totally neglects the Eastern Roman Empire.
Also they get timelines completely wrong. They show pictures of nero and caligula fucking their sisters or whatever but after nero the empire expirienced the 5 good emperors and grew to its greatest extent.
My favorite is when they say that Rome fell because they turned away from Christian values when the empire was built and thrived long before Christianity was introduced to it
@@thepotato513 And more, turning *to* Christian Values is something that happened pretty close to the decline of the WRE! Claiming the opposite of that is less absurd, really.
Why let facts get in the way of a talking point
I'm actually doing my history course work on this it's a really interesting topic.
Invasions are the most obvious factor however others like inflation, plebeian reform and even the mini ice age that occurred at the time are all factors.
As a history nerd who probably could’ve gotten a minor in college, I seriously cannot understand how he got to 95% of his points. Just… incomprehensible.
Edit: So saw his line about the furries. “If we just had a better personal code we’d be able to shame them!” Uhh… you do know people shame them a lot…? Seriously he doesn’t know anything about the world.
when he said "able to shame" he mean "able to lynch"
@@jacobnoelle8428 Maybe worst.
I honestly dont get all the hate for furries. They are legit just people that enjoy media involving anthro animals. Yes it can be pornographic, but not exclusivly. Its literally just an interest, hence to the term "furry FANDOM". Do most people just think furries are animal rapists??
Too many history professors smoke crack pipes and are fascists as well. He likely was lucky to have a crackpipe professor himself to grade him like that.
Furries are basically similar to weebs with a different sort of media. Also furries are incredibly inclusive because a majority of it is just lgbtq people.
The 18+ stuff is weird at times but so is h***** and from what I can tell that’s deemed more acceptable by internet normies.
Whatifalthist cites Ibn Khaldun without actually knowing what he wrote about lol. Khaldun wrote about how the collapse of societies is caused by people not being well-connected to each other, rather than decadence. When people aren’t well-connected, they don’t help each other as much, and society crumbles because people are just looking out for themselves.
but that would go against wiah's political views, him being a conservative n all.
@@jambott5520 no it wouldnt
@@tomtomtom6970 yes, it would.
He projects his own problems and insecurities so much on random civilizations. Men will literally lie about history instead of going to therapy.
Yup
This comment has effectively convinced me that Vaush's fanbase is just as stupid as he is. It's all ad hominem arguments. It's shit like this which is so logically faulty it causes my overly rational autist brain to crash. Clearly not worth my time, but to fit in I might as well say you have hydrocephaly since ad hominems are apparently a really good argument.
Men will create grand theories about history instead of confronting their childhood trauma
@@InsecureCreator or psychology
@@InsecureCreatorMany such cases. I'm getting serious Martin Heidegger vibes from WhatIfAltHist
This is definitely an alternative to history...
Underrated comment
Alternative reality more like
It’s an alternative to mental health treatment…just not a good one
I'm a member of an alternate history board. Whatifalthist is an ongoing joke. He has no education on the subjects he talks about
An alternate history board? What is that?
Any interesting alternate realities you’ve come up with?
Oh yeah? List every book you've read.
Judging by your name I’m not taking anything you say seriously
I was browsing through r/badhistory and he's a quite a recurring character. His ideas are also MUCH farther right than he let on in the two vids Vaush has watched + their discussion
I went bugged eyed when he said the witch trails where good because they got rid of women who where too roudy
Bruh I had to do a double take like holy.
I can't understand how that phenomenon could be so wildly misinterpreted
@@AbsoluteUnit333 I think he genuinely believes witches are real
@@God_gundam36 mommy issues.
@@AbsoluteUnit333 "I wish I could drown my mom"
Althistory probably
The only thing separating Imperial China from buying Bored Ape NFTs and engaging in steamy furry orgies was japanese samurai bushido code
The ironic thing is that Bushido was all bullshit, much like Chivalry it was a game to keep nobles from stirring up to much trouble.
Is this what Alternative History is?
@@goingbike Yes.
I'm always talking about this... loudly... in public spaces... as everyone backs away from me
Cut him some slack for having bad history videos, he had to do fast research before his next 9pm dr appointment :'(
that's a hit!
Decadence improves America how? Which nation *improved* with significant decadence? Which decadent nation did *not* collapse?
Thought so, cheers.
Btw, Vaush is just salty that he couldn't cite any references during their debate. Tbf tho, Rudyard lost that debate - the moment he agreed to debate (clout chasing) Vaush, was the moment Rudyard lost.
@@demun6065 Define decadence.
@@RetroDragonfly in my own opinion, it's the rapid decline/erosion of sexual/gender/social norms.
@@demun6065 ah yes very descriptive and not vague at all. How do you measure that?
You guys don't get it, his full name is "What if Alt History Was Real History And I Based All Of My Analysis Off Of The Things That I Imagine" but YT wouldn't let him use that many characters 😂😂
Hard men - gay men - hard gay men - gay hard men - gay men - hard men
hard men create gay times
He really is all of us at like 16, when we thought each new piece of information brought us even closer to knowing everything, and we were moments away form putting the entire puzzle together lmfao.
Yeah, sounds about right. Except as we learned at 16, we slowly realized just how much more we didn't know. I for one at 39 will be first to admit that around 25 I actually thought I understood quite a lot about the world, history, natural sciences..
Yet today, I truly know just how little I know since I never specialized in any one field, since I am endlessly curious for everything from biology to astronomy. At the same time will absolutely admit that my worldview when I was in my 20ies, I was closer to a dumb-ass then to a wise person. That was with actual traveling, seeing Asia, America and other places in the world. This guy might grow up one day and just delete himself from the internet, due to all the cringe he spouts, yet wisdom I acquired during the years, makes me believe, he will more probably just become a right wing grifter..
After all, he somehow has 500k subs, and is in his twenties and he is already slowly realizing just how much more money he could be getting by sucking that Kohcs brother shlong..
I loved feeling like that😂😂
As a history major and teacher, I would expect more coherence from middle school papers than what this guy is putting out.
well in fairness you would require middle school students to show primary sources so of course they would be better than this chucklehead.
@Fundamentally Unorthodox The conservative people in my life now just outright blame academia for everything. It's as if they don't try anymore :(
I’m getting my teachers cert to be a history teacher, can confirm.
Agreed. I am a history major and former teacher and I rated way better high school work. He doesn't seem to know the basics from anything to philosophies to historic demographic patterns and back. This is just fash nonsense.
as a practising history teacher i second this
"decadence is when women don't fuck me"
Truly the most historian of historians of history
"Chattering class: the educated urban literate populations who take talking about political and moral problems as hobbies."
So, like Whatifalthist, but educated.
you see, he is a historian.
@@christian2i ITS NOT A HOBBY MOM ITS MY JOOOOOOOOOB MOM
@@shatzinorris1417 Me: I want history.
Mum: No. We got history at home.
Me: But it's Whatifalthist...
@@scipioafricanus5871 everytime he tries goibg into history he reverts instantly back to althis without noticing poor lass
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
This guy is fascinating from a scientific standpoint because he's a perfect specimen of the incel-to-Nązi pipeline
Not a Nazi just a fascist-lite political figure, lets be careful with our language. Fascist-lite in that he thinks people can only get meaning and validation from a powerful nation state based on traditional values. One fantastic thing is that he is probably a black pill incel type but in this video he temporarily took this weird position that modern women are sleeping with ugly weak guys out of sympathy which completely goes against black pill ideology.
Fact
It's really weird how these people will simultaneously argue that everything that went wrong in history was the fault of women, but also that only men are able to shape history
literally
It's so fucking funny how he does the hypergamy thing with leftism out of absolutely nowhere.
I read the slide and actually thought "wait, literally what"
This is a given, with every conservative historian, they tend to stay below radar during college, but the moment they get out they began to spew every shitty idea they had since first year.
he's not even a historian. He dropped out of uni
Because they know as well as we do that their takes on history wouldn't hold up in a setting where peer review and credible sources are a thing.
@@torcaace ohhh, I thought he finished.
@@Socialism_on_Roids I am a history and archeology student. In my class there is some dude who's a Jordan Peterson fan (mfer actually brought his book in university class) and hates "BLM cucks". How he's managed to stay here for so long is something only God knows. Maybe it's because the professors avoid to talk about the "SJW shit" he hates in class (aka gay people in Ancient or Modern Greece). In fact, whenever something gay is discussed in class, it seems to be in a gossipy style before the professor starts the proper lecture.
@@torcaace Oh, my God... That takes me back. Back when I was attending uni, all of the conservative Poli Sci, sociology, criminal justice, philosophy, and history students would sit in the back of the class just to avoid class discussion, and this was in spite of JSU having an overabundance of right-wing faculty. Their takes on politics and social issues were generally so bad that they couldn't even thrive in an environment where the professors took it easy on them. We're talking about professors who were former GOP congress members, former leaders of the College Republicans, and a professor who had a position as one of the leaders of the Religious Right here in Alabama, the nation's most conservative state.
29:23 London was the largest city on planet earth by 1800 and he's saying the UK was known for being rural? What is he on about the industrial revolution that occurred in Britain first starting in 1760 meant most people were moving to cities, towns and a lot of villages grew to become towns.
Don't expect crypto traditionalists to understand anything about real history
That's not even considering the pre-industrial urban development that made London the hub it is.
I'm prolly wrong but the only explanation I can think of is "rural = people I like, urban = people I don't like"
Japan industralizing and urbanizing during the Meiji Era (late 19th century) led to the once closed off, pastoral island being the strongest economy and military in East Asia, and dominated all of its more traditional, rural neighbours, winning wars against the much larger, more populous, but extremely rural and traditionalist Qing China in 1895, a more rural Russian Empire in 1905, and had fought a largely disorganized, less developed China to a stalemate in the 1930s-1940s (until the Allies were involved).
Exactly. The UK had a 50 year head start on France in terms of industrialisation. France didn’t start industrialising in earnest until after the napoleonic wars since, you know, when all the french men are out fighting for 20 years straight it’s kinda hard to kickstart an industry. He literally pulled that rural-urban shit out of his ass (like basically everything else in this fever dream of a video).
AltHist sounds so much like Spirit Science I feel like he’s about to start pushing health crystals on his channel.
"Decadence leads to the fall of civilizations, but you as an individual can avoid this degeneracy by purifying your chakras, and there's no better way to do this than buy healing crystals."
I was thinking he sounds like Black Pigeon Speaks.
@@freedomofmusic2112 This is actually what esoteric Nazis more or less believe.
I want whatifalt to debate noncompete. It would make the world worse, but it would be really funny.
A black hole will open.
They’d both lie about a meeting they need to attend, and they’d just bicker about communism for half an hour
Non-compete is too submissive to handle the crackpipe
I mean that debate would be worth to make the world worse.
@@wile123456 it's ok. Luna will just tell him what to say
You need to debate Whatifalthist again and this time ask him to come on at a time where he doesn't have a 9pm doctors appointment 30 minutes after it starts
I want him to set his sights higher. Ted Nugent, well known pedia-file, was on InfoWars begging to debate Beto. I sooooo want some of the "debate bros" to start going at him on social media wanting to debate him
He will always have a doctor appointment. It exist perpetually at whatever time point he needs to terminate the debate
@@RippoZer0 He's late to his therapist's appointment for VDS
@@clairebun Is this "Vaush" in the room with us right now?
Also, get a moderator so whenever asked a question he doesn’t try to give an entire pseudohistory lecture
historical misconception from whatifalthist in literally the first seconds of the video, vomitoriums were not a place where roman nobles would throw up to eat more food, it was actually a series of entrances and exits to roman apetheaters.
Damn, the dictionary even clarifies the misconception as part of the definition. I've never seen that before.
It's hilarious because that's like the most famously misunderstood thing of all time by now. It's the kind of thing you will get a million redditors up your ass about
Even I know that and I couldn't give less of a damn about Roman history lol
Well, damn. Now I feel kinda dumb because I thought that's what they were until browsing the comments of this video.
"People who are close to the earth have to keep their values realistic."
-WhatifAlthist
BREAKING NEWS: ATHEISM AMONG FARMERS SOARS TO 100%!!!
this one got me lmfao
when did althisthub say that, and how is this relevant to the video?
@@henriquepacheco7473 Did you even watch the video? He literally said this.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 ...this video is about whatifalthist, no? Did I miss an AHH feature somewhere?
@@henriquepacheco7473 No, you missed him saying the very quote I posted here! Its in this very video!! Watch the whole thing and find it! Nothing is out of context, he just genuinely does not understand history lol
If anyone's interested in an actual, highly researched historical analysis of Rome, or of the Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment era that Whatifalthist is dancing around here, I'd recommend much of Mike Duncan's work. His History of Rome podcast is an extremely drawn out recounting of nearly the entire history of Rome, and his Revolutions podcast covers many of the Western Liberal revolutions of the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries, from the English Revolution to the Haitian Revolution, and from the Revolutions of 1848 to the Mexican Revolution. He does a really great job narrativizing these topics to make them more presentable to people who may be more averse to in-depth history, it's really good.
Up this one
@Fundamentally Unorthodox Does Mike Duncan have a cool nickname like Molymeme?
Thought so, liberals destroyeded
there is also a channel on yt that I enjoy watching immensely called "The historian's craft". He has some excelent videos, especially about late antiquity (so late Roman Empire) and Japan
Thank you I love podcasts and I’m always looking for more
Honestly you could probably go all the way back to Edward Gibbon and get a better argued thesis on the fall of Roman Empire than whatever this video is!
Okay, "survival of the fittest" does not mean "survival of the most athletic" or "survival of the most dominant." It means "those best suited to survive within a given environment, will thrive the most." Also, who people choose to have kids with is wholly subjective. This guy needs to feel kelp.
"Hard times create strong men, strong men become hard like the times and they become gay and the hard times become big strong gay men times. " - Whatifaltlist
How to Whatifalthist : 1 mention a random empire in history blurt out 2 random facts about them so it looks like you know who they are
2. Mention name of author, nothing from their writing just say it so it adds authority to your video.
3. Make wild parallel from this fantasy story you've made up in your head, somehow distill 500 years of history into one line, so obviously not true.
4. Smuggly end the video for your 9pm doctor appointment
For Example, At the time as we know there were three major colonies we will look at the Larger European, stretching 3,600 miles across the Mediterranean, the symbol of the ant is very much like today I Whatifalthist, I am aworker ant toiling away at my nonsencial maps. Stuck here while the Queens strut around doing nothing, just enjoying fancy ice cream parties that they don't invite me to. But back to the symbol of the ant they have 9 noses like the nine deadly sins of the left today. As Bert Hölldobler seminal books imply and Woody Allen says You Da Ant! And this why the leftist must be stopped if you read my 20 pages of tangential disjointed screed I've got as the backgrounds to the video, you'll see why what they believe is wrong. Oh you have a question well I'm sorry I have a erm hairdresser appointment, yes at 3am that's capitalism we aren't lazy like you socialists!
#2 sums up their entire debate lol
Don't forget :
-Attributing feelings to entire countries
-Critique cultures using loaded emotional terms
-Describe the absence of religion as a weakness
-Equate Nazi theory with reality
-Make up nonsensical ideas, attribute them to Marxists
@Fitz the dragon most are just for the algorithm
This is kinda what vaush did with his lgbtq genocide take tbh.
*9pm admittance to a psychiatric ward
You'd be better off getting your history from the Assassin's Creed franchise than listening to whatifalthist
You are right by a power of 20
“Historical astrology “! Perfectly said. This dude’s takes are indistinguishable from the “theories” my best friend and I came up with when we were 9 year old Catholic school girls.🙄
The priests were getting sweaty until they read "girls"
You guys don't get it, his full name is "What if Alt History Was Real History And I Based All Of My Analysis Off Of The Things That I Imagine" but YT wouldn't let him use that many characters 😂
Historical Astrology but your horoscope only ever reads "Your generation marks the decline of civilization. Your people used to value patriarchal characteristics such as honor, virtue, and rationality."
He has gotten much worse throughout the pandemic. We went down the rabbit hole. Now he's addicted to the red pill kool-aid
Hey Vaush, I just want to thank you. I was in a difficult place, watching youtubers like Whatifalthist, in a prime position to be sucked into the alt right pipeline. But it was your debate with whatifalthist, leading me to finding all these deconstructions of bad faith arguments, which really snapped me back into reality. Thank you.
Obviously not Vaush, but good to hear! :)
@@cweb9169 yeah lol, channels like these have really helped me. Vaush has a kind of fatherly energy which motivates me to actually do stuff e.g. register to vote, exercise more often, procrastinate less
@@thecatinthefedora1201 When we're missing something we often times try to replace it with self destructive attitudes or beliefs. Nihilism and so on.
But when someone like you can reflect and realize you were angry or depressed and wanted to make it outward rather than inward - it's a good thing. Regardless of how or why or when you got out of the pipeline you did! Be proud of that friend!
@@cweb9169 thanks bro :) I love the support you're giving me. And yes, nihlism is way overrated. As loathe as I am to quote whatifalthist, he did get one thing right when he said that "if you believe nothing matters and the world is meaningless, then that means that your nihlistic argument is meaningless and doesn't matter, so I can ignore it"
@@thecatinthefedora1201 Lol sure thing man.
And you know what they say about broken clocks. Same works for hack 'historians' I guess.
Lol. Stay strong my dude! Better together than doomering your way forward alone!
The fact that he doesn’t site his sources nor has any college education specifically in history should tell you what kind of “historian” he is.
Someone once posted a video of his on reddit (r/GenZ), called A Historian Explains Being Gen Z and I felt compelled to comment and inform whoever was watching that Whatifalthist is not a credentialed historian, then someone replied to me and actually said "You don’t need a college peace of paper with weighting on it to be a professional in something". I was utterly shocked and pointed you you needed a college degree to be a doctor/scientist/lawyer etc. To be fair, the person who responded to me conceded my analogy, but they still didn't understand the qualifications a professional historian needs to have and why history students must go to college; they thought it was a waste of money. So I had to explain to them that a deep professional knowledge of history requires a lot of education and training that we can't trust people to be self-taught experts in such matter.
The point is, I'm not sure that many people understand what kind of education/training professional historians need to have. They probably think you just need to read a few books, then you're an expert. That's probably why a lot of people (especially young people) take Whatifalthist seriously.
I mean i also do not have a degree but when i do serious work, i cite everything. That is not just for others to check, but also because i personally feel confident in what i say when i present something in a article or research. (Exceptions are youtube comment section because i'm lazyyyyyy. But in a video, i would cite of course since that is meant to talk to a broad audience directly)
@@admiralfrancis8424 especially on a subject like history I agree that you don't need a degree to be a professional, the information is out there and if you are interested in the subject but don't have the money or time to attend college you can study it yourself. Ofcourse this would be evident in the video's quality and the citing of sources. In the case off whatifalthist the source is psychedelics and obscure nazi adjacent books so he's clearly not a professional. A doctor is different since he'd need practical experience wich is only attainable with the correct schooling. If you study a specific section off law for a case you want to defend you can legally defend yourself and historically this has happened succesfully.
@@mayastic9570 "especially on a subject like history I agree that you don't need a degree to be a professional"
Yes, you do. Becoming a professional historian isn't just about reading a few books, it requires a lot of training that needs to be tested. You need to do analyses and research that has to be reviewed by more credentialed historians. It's not a subject that can merely be self-taught. It's very disheartening to see how many people don't appreciate or realize what kinds of qualifications professional historians need to have.
" If you study a specific section off law for a case you want to defend you can legally defend yourself and historically this has happened succesfully"
But can you become a professional lawyer? Can we trust people to become self-taught experts on law and history? Spoiler alert: NO!
@@CambrianAnomalocaris " I think it’s possible to be a self-taught expert on law and/or history but it would be extremely difficult"
The self-taught expert would have to be tested and reviewed by other historians, that's how we will know someone is truly a self-taught expert. Self-taught experts have to be verified before they can claim they are self-taught experts.
"I can't think of a single war where the urban country beat a rural country"
IMMEDIATELY brings up Rome, who conquered the fucking Gauls, who, get this, were RURAL
Not all of Gaul!! A plucky little village still stands against the tyranny of Caesar, with the help of a mischievous little magic brew... ☺️
Wrong the Gauls had magic potion
The use of country in the context of Rome and Gaul is also egregiously ahistorical.
The guys who lost to barbarians?
The painting he shows to represent civilization was made in Europe around 1510, right when Europe was barbaric in his argument. This guy sure gets history.
This guy hates hippies so much he uses “dewhitening” without scare quotes
I got so incredibly angry at his Hawaii video. I was born and raised here and he got so many things wrong it was insane
What bs did he say, if you could give a summary or simplify it or something and if you wanna tell me.
@@honest_126 Just gonna copy and paste verbatim what my comment said.
">They elected Kalakaua
Kinda skimmed over a few others but ok
>He was super corrupt
What?
>Implying the white business owners were justified in forcing the Bayonet Constitution on Kalakaua
What the fuck
>Said Liliuokalani was put in power by the whites when Kalakaua named her his successor in the event of his death or abdication
Yo what the fuck is this
>Hawaiians considered themselves apart of the Commonwealth
No the fuck they didn't lmao it was mutually understood that Hawaii was not and never would be a British possession. The Union Jack was incorporated into the flag because Kamehameha I considered himself a subject, not the entire Kingdom, and appreciated the efforts of the British for advising him and selling him war materiel. One of the first western ships he bought was flying the standard of the British East India Company as well. And the mutual understanding that Hawaii wasn't a British subject was solidified with the Paulet Affair in 1843, where a British Captain acting on his own tried to take over the Islands and named himself Governor, before his superiors found out and immediately demoted him and gave Hawaii back to Kamehameha III. This shit is easy to look up, it's not like this is niche information you have to dig for.
Is this why people hate alt history channels? It seems like you did fuck all in terms of actual research. Do you guys just wake up one day and sorta scrounge together what little knowledge you have and act like authorities on the subject?
Maybe calling yourself a haole was a good move because this is some hella whitewashy shit"
@@Pats0c I hope I wasn't coming off as aggressive or anything. I just wanted to hear dumb alt hist stuff I missed
@@honest_126 I don't think you were but I was definitely pissed at him lmao
@@Pats0c Yea I wasn't sure if any of that anger was directed at me lol
1:11:30 Think Whatifalthist needs to work on his own personal honor first, before critiquing society, as he's the coward that ran away half way through the Vaush debate for his 9pm doctors appointment.
@Fundamentally Unorthodox hes one of the champions of the "if im wrong fast enough nobody will notice" school of thought
@@MrGogi4aaa Ah you mean the "Ben Shapiro"" approach to rhetoric
Hey!!! He has a very bad case of no brain disease and his 30 minutes into debate with Vaush doctors appointment is VERY IMPORTANT for his recovery. We're all about people getting medical help until it's suspiciously timed mid-debate. Smh.
This guy is like if Hake "tried" to be a historian.
He does kinda have Hake vibes, now that you mention it.
@@rainbowkrampus Hake is a ruthlessly closeted AreoAce.
Fucking full on Romanticariy.
There’s a thin subtle line between braindead and crackpot.
Hake is the braindead; Utter head empty. Simple, direct speech. Zero obfuscation or shame: “2 + 2 equals Woman bad! everyone knows that! because they are degenerate”
Whatifalthis is the crackpot; Wordsalad, incoherent and lengthy ramblings which clarify nothing, despite it’s use of concepts and historical details - all of which are misrepresented - in an attempt to grant a veneer of sophistication: “The crisis of succession over the title of Holy Roman Emperor in the late 15th century demonstrates the pitfalls of Epistemological Materialism responsible for the 2nd to 3rd wave of Feminist Ideology, so deeply ingrained into the family court tyranny of our dionysian establishmentarian decadence”
Know Your Crank
A so-called historian.
That’s funny, I can kind of see that
I've had an idea rolling around in my head for a while, where I make a video in the style of whatifalthist, but I remove all of the uhh's, but's, and breaths to make a one hour long run-on sentence, I think it might be funny
Make it happen BigBird, I'll watch it
If, besides that, you remove the stupid takes, you will be able to upload it as an image.
With something also ridiculing his stupid takes, would be a good thing
@@goingbike it's only an idea, I've got no clue on how to execute it tho
It's cool mate, I'm just having fun throwing my support behind your video idea 👍
Whatifaltist is good at one thing and one thing only: regurgitating historical info he has read. Whenever he spoke about something sufficiently removed from modern history and his inane political views, his stupidity was masked by all the books he read. In the past few months (i think somewhat prompted by the vaush convo), the ratio of passable historical analysis to insane bullshit has increased exponentially. He's an insult to history YT, the alternate history community, and the world in general. AlternateHistoryHub is this guy but with good takes and maps that don't look like vomit.
He doesn't even remember books he read well because he drowns in his own bias and need to reframe everything into his crackpipe worldview.
Example of this is his misunderstanding of vomiturioms was not people in Rome throwing up but because entrances and exits at arenas had so many people coming in and out so they said it "vomited" out people.
That combined with the fact the books he reads are outdated 100 years old because he prefers reading fascist and Nazi historians and hate modern historians.
Let me rephrase your first words: regurgitating historical info he has read *or making stuff up, sometimes obviously and most of times stupidly*.
Case on point: the usage of the word *vomitorium* almost made me vomit, because whoever has seen a roman amphiteater or circus (Or read about their structure) knows what the fucking *vomitorium* was for, and that latin is not "pick a word you like from your language, add um/us and improvise the definition"...
But he knows his fans are almost as braindead as him, but with even less knowledge about, so... Grifter's gonna grift.
I don't understand what's alt history about this guy, he's a fascistic person trying to fit the square peg of his worldview into the round hole of history.
Also Alternate History Hub is able to preform historical analysis.
He's not even _that_ good at that, tbh...
Whatifalthist claiming to be a historian is the same thing as a Fate fan claiming to be a mythology expert
Cope lol
@@simonjaz1279 yeah man, i’m coping real hard right now. super mad about this random and obviously cringe history video. can’t get it off my mind. i haven’t slept in 3 days due to the shock of getting OWNED with facts and logic
@@gannonmb HAHAHA yeah, you wish it was that bad. I've watched a few of whatifalthist videos and I hate to break it to ya...they are not that bad. Not bad enough to cope over and certainly a level above whatever vaush could do...I mean...he is basically special needs after all.
@@simonjaz1279 any serious historian would laugh at whatifalthist lol.
@@gargeebanerjee2333 well as a serious historian some of it is bad but most of his ideas have a sound background and potential. I refuse to explain to someone who clearly isn't educated on the topic like you, but its absolutely the truth.
I’m gonna be honest, I did used to enjoy some of whatalthist’s videos. Not his social views, but some of his more speculative stuff was at least interesting. He made some interesting speculations on what the actual next WW3 would most likely be the result of and who would most likely be the catalyst for it.
But at some point I was just watching a video of his and he mentioned he had no education in history and that sort of just killed it for me, it wasn’t intentional but I just completely lose interest in his content after that. I understand that you can be smart and well read and have a decent conceptual understanding of things even if you’re not directly educated, but there is big asterisks there.
You can have science channels like Veritasium or Vsauce where people who aren’t literal physicists or physics degree holders explain to you ideas and developments in physics. But the difference is they aren’t making their own conclusions, they are communicating the findings and explanations of actual physicists to the audience in a more entertaining and digestible way.
But someone like whatifalthist actively draws his own conclusions and speculations based on the history stuff he reads. He’s not just presenting something the wider history field has stated, he’s maybe citing ideas from some books but largely trying to pass off his own speculation and ideas from his own understanding. And that’s something that really isn’t the most reliable thing when you haven’t been properly educated in a field. It’s one thing to have a non-historian just communicate to you in an entertaining video the findings of major historical sources, it’s another for a non-historian to actively give statements and assumptions that are framed like an expert opinion but from someone who isn’t educated on the matter.
Hell its worse than that: if you wanna call yourself a *historian* like he does in this video (and not just a history communicator), your shit has to be informed by first hand accounts. You *must* study census records, journals by nobles and peasants, merchant transactions, ship cargo logs, archeological artifacts, etc. TH-camrs you mentioned like Veritasium and Vsauce are waaaay closer to being actual scientists than whatalthist is to being a historian, because they at least actually do experiments.
I remember watching him for a while. He wasn't so bad in the past I can agree, I stopped watching after it was less about alt history and more about him injecting very peculiar beliefs in to his videos, which at some point became just a rambling lazy mess.
His absurd alternate history videos were really entertaining, his Aztec and Ethiopia videos were my fav, then he switched to making modern geopolitical videos and his schizo-takes really shined.
@@Trollge398 we live in the 21st century. I can't tell if "living in the 20th century" is meant as a jab at WIAH or an actual typo, so I decided to warn you about it.
You can absolutely be more well read and have a better understanding of things than most professionals without formal education, but that requires *actually building those skills* through some other means. If you actually put in the effort, you can do extremely well, especially given the amount of resources made more accessible by the internet (scihub, piracy sites, etc). The problem with Whatifalthist is that he doesn't care, he's perfectly content with just being a smug asshole because it keeps the views coming.
A little correction/lecture on norse pagan culture:
Contrary to popular belief, there was no such thing as "when you die in battle, you get to go to valhalla".
Valhalla surprisingly wasn't an equivalent to christian heaven and not seen as a reward for doing good in life; in fact, it was seen as a spiritual sacrifice. You're sacrificing the eternity of afterlife for the gods, and get a short (relative to eternity) period of awesome partying in return. Most people were considered to go to an afterlife in Nifelheim, where you...kinda just exist the same way you did in life, but as a spirit. Nothing exciting, but also no eternal torment in/by Hel, which was mostly reserved for actually bad people.
See, the mythology behind this is that Odin had a prophecy told to him that foretold Ragnarök, so he's preparing for it. Hence, he's recruiting the most valorous of fallen warriors to serve as his soldiers (called Einherjar) during Ragnarök. And because dying as a spirit soldier during the last battle kinda sucks when everyone else gets a chill afterlife, in exchange for that you get to party a bunch. It's kinda like real life army service, only more cool and with partying and drinking and stuff.
Then there's also the fact that Ragnarök is cyclical, so Odin has already tried this and failed a bunch of times, so you shouldn't get your hopes up that you will survive Ragnarök if you become Einherjar.
Fascinating!
I love how History Reddit hates this guy too. That’s gotta get under his skin so much XD
Got any good posts roasting him?
He probably thinks the subreddit is infiltrated by history altering leftists, like what he says about modern academia💀
@@mrnemo204 i want too
r/badphilosophy loves to have fun with this guy as well
How decadence was the downfall of Rome:
Rome 200BC:
Favorite hobbies: Orgies, gladiatorial games
Rome 1AD:
Favorite hobbies: Orgies, gladiatorial games
Rome 200AD:
Favorite hobbies: Orgies, gladiatorial games
“Decadence is when culture is put above reality”
Humans literally can’t exist outside culture. Even science at the end of the day is culture and not reality. Any claim to a “natural” state of being is a cultural claim since you can only conceive the concept “natural” through a contrast with “cultural”, and thus will always be viewed through a lens of language and thus culture. It is inescapable. You can’t think without language, you can’t see without language, the only way we can know an object falls with X acceleration is because we have given physical propertied a name. Try to see something for which you have no name or no concept in your head. It is physically impossible.
Try watching LOTR without sound or subtitles, you will
understand nothing. Reading LOTR will give you an even deeper, more immerse experience with just letters.
Language is the matrix, it is what allows us to have thoughts. And culture is a shared language system. Thus it is impossible to put “reality” above culture because that very thought is cultural, as soon as you define natural you have made it cultural.
'The study of decadence, now frowned upon in a post Nazi society.' Didn't realize 'decadence' was an entire discipline to be 'studied' by serious 'historians' like himself.
😂
He thinks decadence is like the French monarchy and yet despises the evil Bolsheviks. ADHD+Religion=practical meth user.
Right wing youtubers reeeaally fell off hard after Sargon shit the bed with his campaign into mainstream britbonger politics. Wish more people knew about that shitshow.
Britbonger
I am unaware, pls elighten me
he's like the kid who refers to things with synonyms to try to look smarter than everyone to no avail.
I want to make another comment about this butch history. The Mongols were a sophisticated people. They had a pretty advanced empire and the gunpowder came to the Europeans from the Mongols. The Chinese also used gunpowder weapons which the Mongols possessed later into their armaments. This man actually abides by the idea of “Savage civilizations” and “Barbarians.” This is not a historian. This is just an angry white dude who wants history how sees fit.
"Savagery that lay outside history"
I can't even lol
"Hey, Spengler, what is your definition of decadence and degeneration based on?"
"idk, vibes"
Funny thing is Roman's vomiting food to eat more is actually bullshit to.
Really weird bullshit, too. I have never in my life vomited and immediately wanted to eat more.
TRU! why would I nor any other Roman do such a thing??
The vomitorium is literally the exit passages of theaters.
bvlimia is trad
> 'America is less decadent than Europe'
Absolute burger statement
that was his whole debate with vaush: just talk more and don't let your opponent get a word in and you by default win.
I did watch an interesting video about Samurai. Supposedly, most of our conception about Samurai honor and mythology came about during the late Edo period and after, during which Samurai played much more of a domestic servant role. During the period in which they were dedicated warriors, it seems they were just rich dudes with armor and bows; no special honor system outside of the deals they made with their lords.
Funny thing about that is this lines up almost completely parallel to the culture of knights and chivalry, in which it was mostly during the post-renaissance period that romance about a knight's honor became the focal point of a noble's sense of spiritual actualization, since the landed gentry of this time would most likely never have the chance to be the warriors they perceived their ancestors to be.
In reality, knights during most of medieval europe were glorified thugs who shook down peasants for tax collection as much as they could within the law so that they could live comfortably while paying upward to the next guy in the protection racket that was feudalism. There was a self-aggrandizing culture, sure, though not nearly on the same fantastical level as what they would become.
@@michaelweir9666 Yup. Our modern perspectives on "honor" are the result of shortly-after-period LARPers.
Yeah, if I recall correctly they were literally just wealthy mercenaries that got woven into the political system during the centralisation of power in Japan.
@@666kittycat666
It's not correct to say there were "no" guidelines for being "chivalrous" in both feudal Europe and Japan, HOWEVER, it was like an ethics code for politicians, never followed to the T and clearly less important than their figurative wallet even in the best of times.
@@Alias_Anybody I get that. It doesn’t make much difference to the people though when the ethics code is to not rape noble women but peasants are free game.
Is this dude's argument really that society is failing because we're not barbaric enough? I've heard a lot of crazy shit in my life but this is definitely up there.
That Dude really thinks he is some kind of authority in History, completely missing the point that people subscribed to him for "alternative history"-videos and predictions which are all essentially fiction. ...fiction based on surface-level knowledge about history. Really wonder how you can develop such a massive ego on so little expertise. His subscriber count must have went to his head.
I still want to do the most comical Looney Tunes act to him after he suggested four blacks (two of whom were mixed race Canadians) appearing on a random Billboard artist top 10 of 2021 (which only ranked sales and streaming of works credited under them without any regard for how they were treated in real life, mind you) disproved systemic racism. Nobody brings it up because it doesn't prove poop.
Whatifalthist is the living form of "source: I made it up but it kinda makes sense if you just don't think about it".
I would pay to see Vaush roast Monsieur Z. He is even more of a meme than whatifalthist.
yuuuup. Actual neonazi shit
I remember sitting through Monsieur's video on what he thinks would happen if the Right and Left got into a civil war. Every single weakness he attributed to the Left in that video could be attributed to the Right. That being said, the video was still no where near as vile or smooth-brained as the jackasses in the comments section.
@@Socialism_on_Roids Monsieur Z believes things about the Left, that Hitler believed about The USSR. "They are so evil and degenerate we will kill em all easily!...oh, they arent all dying instantly? Oh, they are invading my country!? oh. Guess I'll die."
that would be epic
@Jean Sanchez not really since the guy also thinks eugenics is good while whatifalthist dosen't. they are both suss though and mr z gives of fash vibes.
Just FYI those are meth pipes in the thumbnail, crack pipes are just a straight tube
I came to the comments just to see if anyone pointed this out
The more you know!
We fight misinformation in all forms on this channel 👍
He actually pointed it out in the video.
the sad thing is, his brash, aggressive, and lazy style of speaking and labeling things probably appeals to young people who feel they've been lied to in their history classes
To be fair, history class is usually pretty bad as far as education is concerned. But yeah althist certainly does subscribe to a philosophy of shaping the world to fit into the perspective of the individual. It appeals to emotion rather than challenges it, confidently mischaracterizing it as 'common sense'.
42:26 firstly the EU did not exist in 1970, so not sure how he's getting those numbers secondly He talks about the EU the largest trading block on earth which is as capitalist as you can get, and says that is going away from capitalism somehow. Thridly we see the greatest decrease in the EU share of world GDP after the Berlin Wall fell and the Eastern block disappeared, which is when all those countries went from command economies to capitalist ones. But he's claiming that was when they left capitalism?
I guess "EU" here is referring to "Europe" as a whole, though without clarification, knowing which countries are counted into it is basically impossible.
Like, does it include the entire Eastern Bloc at the time, counting both East and West economies together?
This chart is useless for his point.
He thinks that Europe having social safety nets means no capitalism
“Decadence is when Europe stopped believing in god”
So decadence was in the enlightenment era?
The enlightenment wasn’t just anti-monarchy, but also set roots for atheism, with philosophical writings like “Candide”, written by voltaire or “Persan letters” by Montesquieu.
It’s also a reason why a lot of Jewish people started immigrating in Europe, as there wasn’t such a stigma around religion.
This video is basically the "Little Dark Age" meme for like 30 straight minutes
This guys video on africa got destroyed by r/bad history
He's apparently somewhat of a recurrent character in r/badhistory
7:03 Nepal has never been communist though.Communism has influenced and dominated at one point,the political sphere but its never been communist like China.
UML(The country's biggest communist party) has been fully commited to parliamentary democracy for decades and the only time Nepal might have had a Communist takeover was during the civil war by the Maoists. However,that never happened and the Maoists too are now fully integrated to the Democratic system.
Infact,one criticism that many communists had of Prachanda(Maoist leader) was that he gave it all up and join hands with the other parties to establish a multiparty republic (which is a whole different topic)
So the guy who made that map is on crack
He also included the Finns in the "too pussy to fight" graph even though few nations are as eager to grab guns if Putin does anything funny. Like, in any survey about that topic.
When Vaush said that modern progressivism stems from the same root as the civil rights movement, WhatIfAltHist thought "You're right, they are the same. I should hate both!"
That’d be more honest of him so I’d appreciate the transparency, he would’ve been against the civil rights movement if he was around then I’m sure.
@@reverseaimbot2509 Every conservative would be, ESPECIALLY the ones preaching MLK's speech.
"Whatifalthist looks like he is LARPing as a Christian Youth Minister" 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I hope this becomes a regular segment he does every couple of months because it is just so entertaining watching voosh be completely baffled like every 30 seconds
I don't fault any TH-camr for making a buck with ads but that Scottish Lordship thing is a straight-up scam on par with Star Registries. Considering that this is a guy who presents himself as an authority on geopolitics and history it seems incredibly deceitful for him to peddle completely phony lordships to his viewers.
Also, his understanding of barbarian societies is incredibly stupid and childish. He seems to have fully bought into the myth of the uncivilised barbarian savage. But anyone who studies history should know that this isn't true. They may have been less advanced, but they were still agricultural societies with laws and hierarchy
Souvenir’ plots of land have been sold in Scotland for over 30 years. Master Title Deed is a Deed Poll. Just goes to show that Vaush has no idea.
13:17 Not only was an overwhelming majority of Germans Christian in Nazi Germany - Germany's Christian population is about half Protestant and half Catholic. When the Nazis took over and also asserted control over the churches, their shared antisemitism was the overarching commonality that was glueing the two confessions together. Not only where the Nazis Christians, they tried to create a new Christian denomination.
This dude straight up read the Aeldari lore from Warhammer 40k and thought "Yes, that is exactly how history actually works."
You are right wtf
I can't unsee this now fml
Slaanesh: incoming
Sometimes when I watch Vaush's videos debunking shit like this I question my intelligence when I am unable to understand what these people are arguing, but then it's made abundantly clear as the segment goes on that these people simply do not have any tangible, coherent arguments or worldviews and it's basically just fancy sounding gibberish that works backwards from their predetermined conservative conclusions.
Better known as "religious thinking" or a Texas sharpshooter.
Wasn't the point of dueling with pistols more about showing you have the conviction to your words that you'll risk your life on them rather than just being the winner of the actual duel? Since flintlock pistols were so inaccurate and shitty that both duelist were just more likely to miss than anything?
Well, regardless, yes, politicians should have to agree to Shadow Game challenges every so often.
Yeah, duels were more a test of courage for bored European noblemen. Some more "old school" nobles and even bourgeoisie (especially in Germany) preferred blades, which changed it from a test in courage to one in pain (people rarely died, but it leaft nasty scars).
I started laughing when he said that decadence makes history stop. There is no period of time since humans have existed where things just stopped. There were cobflicts, crimes, solutions, art, exploration and so on. Just because it might not have been intense state building or we dont have great written records remaining doesn't mean "history stopped".
Unhinged shit, even as a metaphor.
Curious how loaded his language is yet he can't stop firing blanks
More rural countries defeat more urban countries may be the single dumbest thing I've ever heard a human say. *Looks at literally all of colonialism* (minus Ethiopia). Oh? What's that? You have a qualifier that you don't count culturally rural "primitive" non-white nations? Okay, urban Germany crushed rural Russia in World War 1. What's that? Oh you have another reason that doesn't count because of political issues interfering with war? Okay, Japan beat China and took Manchuria solo mid 1v1.
I cannot believe I used to watch this dipshit's videos. I feel like he used to have interesting ideas about alternate timelines, but the second he started commenting on actual history and on geopolitics, philosophy, and economics he totally fell off a cliff.
The fucked thing is that from a certain angle there is some "truth" to his ravings, but the thing that often leads to the decline of great civilisations isn't this nebulous "decadence", it's a much broader sense of complacency and stagnation - No longer innovating, reminiscing about the "good ol' days", dismissing the idea that any upstart might ever come to rival your glory...
Y'know, the things CONSERVATIVES LIKE TO DO
Any time I see the words "decadence", "hedonism", "collapse of Western civilization" or "degenerate" in a TH-cam history video I can predict their political views with 100% accuracy.