Chris Hedges: "America is a Tinderbox" - Chris Hedges on Reality Asserts Itself (4/7)

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  • @TheTaoofEternalWar
    @TheTaoofEternalWar 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    "There is no way to vote against Goldman Sachs." Exactly. This is why I don't vote.

  • @davidschlessinger9945
    @davidschlessinger9945 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    hedges is another straight talker who accurately discusses and analyzes our corrupt American political/economic system

    • @jamesnadell7144
      @jamesnadell7144 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which is why he's invisible and avoided by major U.S. media. He would crush establishment journalists like cockroaches. It's like Sonny Liston in the days of yore. No one wanted to fight him. I mean who wants to get pounded to dust? How can they argue w what he is saying? He is right and they are wrong. Tell me what he says that is wrong?

  • @ColdWarWarriors
    @ColdWarWarriors 9 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    This guy is great, does a much better job at breaking it down than people like Ron Paul or Alex Jones.

    • @nsecchi1
      @nsecchi1 9 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      That's because Ron Paul and Alex Jones are on the side of the same people that are killing. you.

    • @johnmalcstan
      @johnmalcstan 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I still remember "American Spring" That told me all I needed to know. You need a crow bar to get most Americans off their asses.

    • @ihateliberals518
      @ihateliberals518 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      John Farley that, and shut off the ball game, and UN-reality shows

    • @DucksDeLucks
      @DucksDeLucks 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ColdWarWarriors Yeah, so you think life in a European welfare state is so great? They support our dirty wars, spy on everyone, and throw you in jail for denying the Holocaust. You get free medical care unless you need an operation and you're too old to be "valuable to society." Nice.

    • @AshHouseware1
      @AshHouseware1 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +DucksDeLucks Not everything is good here in europe, but you are simply ill informed about our wellfare system(s).

  • @503matelo
    @503matelo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The RICO Act could easily be applied to most corporations.

  • @bealtainecottage
    @bealtainecottage 11 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Brilliant Chris Hedges! Thank you so much for this series of interviews...transformational, powerful!

  • @yvettecardieri6373
    @yvettecardieri6373 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for all you do Chris Hedges

  • @cheezbag
    @cheezbag 10 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Absolutely fantastic! Chris is sharp as a samurai blade! Very interesting point about the Scandinavian countries.

  • @denisdaly1708
    @denisdaly1708 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I hope Americans are listenjng to Chris now. March against Trump.

    • @reakingringpiece
      @reakingringpiece 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      they arnt they are watching shit on tv and shopping :(

  • @RikSchneider
    @RikSchneider 10 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    One thing I respect about #ChrisHedges and #PaulJay , is that they have the balls to admit that they are #DemocraticSocialists .

    • @dennisglenn9475
      @dennisglenn9475 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It shouldn't take balls to admit that, but unfortunately it does in your country

  • @BirdArvid
    @BirdArvid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    12:00 “People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.” - Alan Moore, in V for Vendetta.

  • @__soap__
    @__soap__ 8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Brilliant analysis

  • @kikijewell2967
    @kikijewell2967 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, Chris Hedges is my new hero! Lots of things to think about!

  • @mhikl4484
    @mhikl4484 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Chris Hedges is as close to a saint as we are gong to get.
    Simply, he cares.

  • @PlainIntricacy
    @PlainIntricacy 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a fantastic way to start a new show, TRN. Chris Hedges is a gold mine, and I love the format of the interviews. MORE OF THIS PLEASE.

  • @MadderMel
    @MadderMel 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He has put himself in the front line and has made personal sacrifices to speak up for those who have no voice , For me , he is a living Legend . And if we don't listen to him ? We'll We're fucked. !

  • @bbhihoney
    @bbhihoney 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Once again, I am in 100% agreement with Mr. Hedges.
    "Thank you for your service" seems appropriate here.

  • @diomedes39
    @diomedes39 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Real News provides the best interviews out of any news service.

  • @tommanfrede5241
    @tommanfrede5241 9 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    watch this video and gain five IQ points.

    • @phuturephunk
      @phuturephunk 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Tom Manfrede Chris Hedges has a tendency to do that. He's blunt...but damn it all if he isn't really keen. I don't agree with everything he says, but damn...

  • @ujean56
    @ujean56 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am pretty sure Hedges doesn't mean "socialism" as in soviet socialism. He means democratic socialism where we all have a say and where real democracy is protected and developed. In this kind of socialism capitalism is just as regulated as the rest of us but all are regulated democratically.

  • @Rolandzebub
    @Rolandzebub 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hedges is not arguing for that, he's arguing for a mass movement as the only viable resistance at this stage. Watch the video again.

  • @hogsbelly63
    @hogsbelly63 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great thinking from a great mind.

  • @tjm167x
    @tjm167x 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    13:10 to 13:20... damn straight to the point.

  • @LA-kc7ev
    @LA-kc7ev 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Excellent video that should be seen by all. Chris Hedges correctly notes that the Democratic Party in Europe (I lived there 22 years) would be considered far right: Where does this leave us? What are we doing? In the same way, he notes that, in France, if you told French students they would be paying $50,000 a year for school, they would shut the country down. He is right again, for I have seen it.

  • @philg379
    @philg379 11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bless you Chris, and us.

  • @marniespeaks
    @marniespeaks 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the interview with Chris Hedges has been one of the best -
    wish he'd start a movement in a particular city in a particular state to create the role model for the future

  • @jesseray3558
    @jesseray3558 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great interview series! Paul and Chris continue to kick ass and stay hungry!

  • @tarantala111
    @tarantala111 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chris Hedges is a breath of fresh air - there's nothing like hearing the truth. Thank you.

  • @RKZX2
    @RKZX2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here we are 10 years later & it's worse than EVER!

  • @DRockMyrick
    @DRockMyrick 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is probably my favorite interview, and I love hearing from Col. Wilkerson. You guys are a bastion of hope, if you will forgive the term. Thank you so much for what you do!

  • @claudermiller
    @claudermiller 10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    occupy was our offer to solve this situation peacefully.
    make of this comment what you wish.

  • @jophoenix3919
    @jophoenix3919 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am thinkful that I am old. There is no other reason for spying on us but to act against us if we weild any power to wake others up.
    My question is what do they gain once the entire middle class is gone? Goods for sale and no buyers? This short sightness is madness....

  • @Hungrybear9562
    @Hungrybear9562 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great channel. TH-cam icon and legend Double Rainbow Guy just subscribed.

  • @bootleg42
    @bootleg42 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Paul Jay is one of the best journalists around.

  • @ThisWeekInFascism
    @ThisWeekInFascism 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We MUST get out in the streets. I put up signs on telephone poles as often as I can. I'm looking forward to meeting you all out there.

  • @caseyonewsom49
    @caseyonewsom49 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chris is so passionate he can hardly wait 10 seconds for them to start a new clip so that he can articulate his point. Love it

  • @lmullen56
    @lmullen56 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    A major problem with a municipal healthcare system is that it is very restrictive. Only people who are registered in the district are allowed to use the healthcare services there. If you have an emergency, you have the right to get treatment, but as soon as you're out of the ICU, you have to transfer to a hospital in your own district.

  • @EggsOverGreasy
    @EggsOverGreasy 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This interview is turning me around to really liking Chris, whom I have liked in general but had an uncertain feeling about, like he was a "sky is falling" type.

    • @maxwell4431
      @maxwell4431 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How about now? "sky is falling" seemed rather appropriate to describe the last 4 years...and probably years to come. I like Chris now especially because it's refreshingly honest take on the whole system. None of that this side is bad, or that side is bad...they both suck and in the end, everyone appears to be a sucker and have fallen for their bag of identity politic tricks

  • @TheSportsPROgram
    @TheSportsPROgram 10 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    100% correct

  • @sandorski56
    @sandorski56 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this series, but 1 minor complaint, the listing of the Videos on the Website is rather confusing. At least on the page with the Player. Putting x/7 in the visible title or some indication of Order would be most helpful.

  • @Aiden057
    @Aiden057 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd rather vote for something I want and not get it than to vote for something I don't want and get it.

  • @YiannisPho
    @YiannisPho 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm amazed that Chris Hedges described accurately the state of affairs today back in a 2013 interview. It's too bad that all the great talent in the US is so marginalized that their voices are not heard by the majority of Americans.

  • @localnation
    @localnation 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, Thanks Paul Jay, I'm very thankful to have TRNN as a source of real information. And thanks for getting Chris Hedges for this interview.

  • @katsavidiz
    @katsavidiz 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent interview!!!

  • @NetxEnigma
    @NetxEnigma 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He Is ABSOFUCKINLUTELY CORRECT!

  • @KennethRothey
    @KennethRothey 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dear Dr. Hedges: Y'all have heard Christ's teaching; a house divided against itself cannot stand!
    Y'all know that a majority of Americans don't know the significance of the word, tinder.

  • @titolovely8237
    @titolovely8237 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    hedges accurately predicts the rise of the trump movement.

  • @daddydelavega5550
    @daddydelavega5550 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ima be real just came here cuz your car is a Eldorado Biarritz...love the profile pic lol

  • @Topbitcoinexchanges
    @Topbitcoinexchanges 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hedges is such a valuable intellectual. I wish we could multiply him by 100 and spread him around the country to proselytize.

  • @HarrrySpider
    @HarrrySpider 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where is the next segment? I would like to view the continuation of this discussion, but obviously I'm too inept to figure out how to find it... clues appreciated, thanks!

  • @itsolivier
    @itsolivier 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    9:30 such a simple but accurate and ironic statement makes you wonder if in a city named Washington named after a man who held slaves and killed indians, would ever change their characteristics that allowed them to take the land to begin with. Ps kudos on the book Days of a revolt a very in depth book on the state of affairs today, i suggest you read it.

  • @MoDonJon
    @MoDonJon 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The left was waning long before Chris Hedges had a voice in it.

  • @LadyPenelope
    @LadyPenelope 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beacon of sanity...thank you Chris Hedges..and thank you Paul Jay for the forum in which truth is shared without fear.

  • @juniorp726
    @juniorp726 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hedges is the most real journalist ever....

  • @smeeagain6656
    @smeeagain6656 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My, my, isn't the truth, now that we FINALLY hear it, terrifying?

  • @Cabronosidad
    @Cabronosidad 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pure gold as usual from Chris Hedges. Thank you.

  • @kkay3784
    @kkay3784 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Build forces that pressure power to respond." Th-th-th-th-th-that's all folks!

  • @joolof
    @joolof 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    TRNN, thank you for this series. This is such an important issue. Even though I'm from Sweden I still live in a world that "can't vote against Goldman&Sachs". For better or worse the spectacular country of USA is spearheading the people of the worlds struggle against the elites. Mr Hedges talk helps lead the way.
    Thank you /from a monthly donar

  • @swirlcrop
    @swirlcrop 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good interview. :-)

  • @smeeagain6656
    @smeeagain6656 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's actually stunning to hear some TRUTH.

  • @lmullen56
    @lmullen56 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finland:
    The growth in the 1980s was based on debt and defaults started rolling in. GDP declined by 15% and unemployment increased from a virtual full employment to one fifth of the workforce. The crisis was amplified by trade unions' initial opposition to any reforms. Politicians struggled to cut spending and the public debt doubled to around 60% of GDP. Some 7-8% of GDP was needed to bail out failing banks and force banking sector consolidation.
    Does that sound familiar?

  • @charliemcgrain
    @charliemcgrain 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to see Chris examine the Resource Based Economy.

  • @barbararadle1680
    @barbararadle1680 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Life IS struggle. You cannot separate struggle from life. All life struggles to live. Socialist themes promise a life that diminishes or eliminates struggle. How can it really achieve this, without also diminishing the human spirit and will to innovate and be individuals? Does socialism reduce us to the LCD (lowest common denominator)? Corporate capitalism is the issue. It isn’t either or; capitalism and socialism are interdependent - two sides of the same coin.

  • @Jeremy-yr8yg
    @Jeremy-yr8yg 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would never ever ever consider myself a socialist as Mr Hedges considers himself, so why in the hell does everything he says so closely mirror my thoughts and ideas??!! I would call myself a capitalist, but am I? I don't think capitalism is the real problem. It seems to me that the problem is completely unchecked greed and corruption which has been allowed to sort of morph capitalism into fascism, and in my view this has been done with the assistance of both political parties. I still believe true and pure capitalism works.

  • @abilityoflove
    @abilityoflove 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, that was quite a speech by Chris Hedges, thanks god that such people still exist. It is like remembering how it feels to be human again.

  • @Astaroth_Belial
    @Astaroth_Belial 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    OWS is a broad and varied movement which mainly concerns itself with economic inequality and class warfare. In Oakland, some occupiers actually managed to take over city hall so that should answer your question.
    The corporations are a part of the state and vice versa. Not all occupiers are anarchists but the ones who are, believe in an ideological tactic called Anarcho-Syndicalism which Chis Hedges actually gave mention to in this video.

  • @ElectricQualia
    @ElectricQualia 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    granted...I would say don't blame the players, blame the game.

  • @AustinGerassimos
    @AustinGerassimos 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think many occupy encampments had meetings where they endorsed these kind of policies... but I agree that there wasn't nearly enough cohesion of vision or organisation.

  • @DavidByrne85
    @DavidByrne85 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Paul - please interview Gar Alperovitz and Stephanie Kelton!

  • @DavidByrne85
    @DavidByrne85 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ridiculous but true. Maybe 'completely' was the wrong word to use, but 'so overwhelmingly so that in the run capitalism relies on it for its existence' woulda made the sentence awfully long.

  • @Bieszczady73
    @Bieszczady73 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The problem is that we are FORCED to play the game but the rules of the game we are forced to play are hidden.
    Apart from the fact that cards manufacturing process we are permitted to use to play is (as well) beyond our control :)
    Jerzy

  • @allgoo19
    @allgoo19 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some people suffer from learning disability.
    Trying the same thing over and over and failing in the same way over and over then say "This time maybe it'll work."

  • @katherinejones850
    @katherinejones850 10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Chiling, true and OOOOOooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shiti!

  • @agitcam
    @agitcam 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with Hedges. I would like to ask him if his criticism includes the Nation Magazine in his views of progressives.

  • @richardhedd3080
    @richardhedd3080 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just when I've lost all hope in this country I hear a voice that slips through the cracks in the media machine that gives me hope. That voice is Chris Hedges and Abby Martin and others that keep telling me it doesn't have to be this way.

  • @geoffreynhill2833
    @geoffreynhill2833 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Still well worth watching. 🌈🦉

  • @DavidByrne85
    @DavidByrne85 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Right. On the big issues - NAFTA, Financial deregulation, Welfare 'reform'....you saw where he came down.

  • @RashidGill
    @RashidGill 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOL - Claims of hot air enclosed in a shoe box sounds really funny. I wonder what it would sound like if it were ever to be punctured with pointed critique.

  • @AlanRLight
    @AlanRLight 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    He's about half right, but the problem is that a big government enables crony capitalism and enables high degrees of corruption. We need a smaller government and free markets.

  • @Jack194343
    @Jack194343 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let's not confuse things here. The government does not corrupt corporations. Corporations corrupt the gov. Anytime you see the gov favoring corporations, it's because the corporations paid the gov to be corrupt. Doing away with the gov will not do away with corporate corruption because the origin of corporate corruption is corporations. Monetary abuse by the gov was the idea of corps and was adopted by gov because corps paid politicians to adopt their ideas.

  • @Flammstrudel
    @Flammstrudel 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Henry, Henry, They're Gonna Break through the Baricades and Get Us!" Can someone give me a source for that?

  • @RashidGill
    @RashidGill 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, but I have not revealed higher layers of truth for this argument. I see your point though. If I was to introduce other layers of truth, your point could be seen as mute or irrelevant.

  • @TheGodlessGuitarist
    @TheGodlessGuitarist 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aside from the rudeness of your recent reply to my comment I agree strongly with your point "Capitalism leads naturally to the concentration of wealth and power in an elite power structure". It is a consequence of the greed and something-for-nothing mentality inherent in "Capitalism is the investment of capital, i.e. real wealth in the form of cash or property, to make a return"

  • @barryamato101
    @barryamato101 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thinking about a website selling torches and pitchforks.

  • @Pineapplefreezer
    @Pineapplefreezer 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This guy is the next Noam Chomsky

  • @gunkwretch102
    @gunkwretch102 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The fact that those people monetarily suffer by having their windows broken is itself a sign of the injustice of our economic system, by which I mean a sane society would not be so obsessed with private property and as public buildings the windows would be fixed by the public. But then if that were how our society ran, people probably wouldn't be protesting in the first place because the wouldnt be anything close to our present level of corruption and tyranny. (I dont mean communism but anarchy)

  • @tomitstube
    @tomitstube 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    no, the so-called immigration problem is really a problem of labor, nafta killed millions of union and factory jobs in america, jobs that paid good wages and benefits, nafta also had huge implications for our neighbors to the south, millions of subsistent farmers were priced out of agriculture markets and could no longer support themselves, they were forced to find work elsewhere and millions only knew how to farm.
    it starts and ends with labor. it is a mutli-national struggle.

  • @lmullen56
    @lmullen56 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The increasing deficits and national debts are not the result of a shortage of tax revenues. In Finland, the maximum marginal income-tax rate for individuals is over 50 percent. A value-added tax is levied on all goods and services at every level of production. The tax rate of normal consumer goods and services has recently been raised from 22 to 23 percent. As in the United States, there are a great host of other taxes and duties levied on everything under the sun.

  • @NewAmericaNow
    @NewAmericaNow 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    So not using force on other human beings to do what they don't want to freely do means we should abolish the physical principal of F=MA??? Now that is a special kind of comment.

  • @lmullen56
    @lmullen56 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finlands Healthcare System
    First of all, it is not a single-payer system in the way you'd imagine a government-run and -financed healthcare system to be - i.e., where it is the central state that provides for and runs the system. Instead, the Finnish system is municipal. Every municipality is formally obliged to provide its citizens with healthcare. Of course, not every municipality can afford a hospital or even a health center.

  • @dlature
    @dlature 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    the only ones he attacks are the ones NOT ACTUALLY "fighting for the changes he proposes, but simply saying one thing and doing another. What you propose is actually particpating with the process AS IT IS NOW, which is clearly broken and simply pays lip service to the "changes needed" but doing NOTHING, and actually working against it by the acquiescence to the money flow to let governance be swayed regardless of what the people need.

  • @DavidByrne85
    @DavidByrne85 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Often serfs signed up for bondage voluntarily out of necessity if a crop failed or they fell on hard times. Their holdings became their lords, the lord's control over people and resources grew and the task of the next freeholder to retain his independence became more difficult. All completely compliant with the non-aggression principle.

  • @lmullen56
    @lmullen56 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    What has brought the Finnish welfare state close to fiscal calamity is its ever-increasing government spending. Even during the 15 years prior to the collapse of 2008, a period referred to as one of continual economic growth, the national debt was not paid off. In 1994, the Finnish national debt was 51.7 billion euros. In 2007, it rose to €56.1 billion. At the end of 2009, the debt shot up to €64.3 billion, and at the end of June 2010, it rose to €69.8 billion.

  • @Hollowptgenius
    @Hollowptgenius 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your so easily distracted that you think the issue is a broken window. Stop caring about windows and start caring about people.

  • @Jack194343
    @Jack194343 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not so, during the '50s when the economy was booming, taxes on the richest were 90%, unions dominated capital, GI's were given free college educations, and inexpensive home loans, blacks were still oppressed, but the poor were taken care of, and everyone knew their children would have a better deal than what they had.

  • @tomitstube
    @tomitstube 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    "the inability to articulate a viable socialism has been our gravest mistake".
    it starts with labor and ends with labor. america is adopting post modern versions of the southern anti-labor movement, low wages, huge pockets of poverty and dead end jobs. an end to social mobility and benefits. the idea of corporate fascists is to end collective bargaining, the modern democratic party is now chasing the corporate dollar while abandoning a weakened labor movement.
    it starts and ends with labor.

  • @EattherichBuddy
    @EattherichBuddy 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Remove and refuse to renew the charters of all corporations.

  • @Jack194343
    @Jack194343 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe we agree on this. Gov is not intrinsically good or bad. It's a tool that serves whoever controls it. Right now the gov is owned by corporations, so that's who it serves. If it is to serve the public, the public must take it back.

  • @tonybatisa9448
    @tonybatisa9448 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    that's why I'm an Anarchist, I now only Associate Liberals with the Democratic party.

  • @Iprofessshirk
    @Iprofessshirk 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can anyone please point out a desirable model of socialism which we should work towards? I really like TRN because I value their views, even if I don't understand them. It seems to me that the larger opposition movement right now is of the Libertarian persuation, which is much more convincing to me. But maybe I'm missing something....thanks.

  • @Chris.Davies
    @Chris.Davies 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy Moly, I am glad I am not American, nor live in America.
    I did once live there, aged 17, and had the time of my life, however.
    You know, I love American people, but I've come to despise the Amerikan government, on the sort of level I despise the catholic church.
    I am certain the two most evil organisations ever created, are the US Government, and the catholic church. These two have brought about more death, destruction, despair, abuse, murder, and war than all other causes combined.