I just got to say that this is my favorite grow show by far. I'm a new grower of 10 months or so and have had a couple good harvest alot due to the info I've gained from yalls show. So thanks dhc
One thing I haven't heard him mention in the dense planting system... is the savings on nutrition... be it compost, teas, or otherwise... 1/5 the area to feed means 1/5th the nutrient requirement for same yield.
J-M, in your opinion, how does a spader (vangatrice) compare to a broad fork for preserving soil structure, loosening and aerating without inverting? What about using a subsoiler or vibratory plow to break up hardpans and allow for deep-rooted plants to access the lower parts of the soil profile (not every year, but in the beginning), in the style of P. A. Yeomans? I know you'll talk about the rotary harrow in another video. I have an old Ariens Model B tiller which I have been contemplating turning into a spader, since the tine box is missing. I have also been planning on building/adapting a BCS compatible interface for the PTO, whether or not I build a spader.
1. Hold up why no double dig? 2. Ok so for the cucumbers you plant it in the tunnel for 8 weeks, pot them while warming up the soil with clear plastic for a couple of weeks, then replant them? 3. Compost every other year or every year? 4. Why permanent beds mean loose soil already?
I can probably answer (1), although it may not be a complete answer. Digging of any kind brings up weed seeds from the soil seed bank under the soil surface, which will mean a lot more weeding, especially in the first year. It's also a lot of work if you're going to double dig 100 plus beds. Roots and soil organisms are so much better at "digging" (loosening and aerating the soil), so why not let them do it for you? It may take longer, but the results are far superior. For example, using every crop as a cover crop by harvesting only their tops and leaving their roots in the soil will not only feed the soil organisms, but as they decay, the roots will shrink away and leave pathways for air, water, animals and new roots - this is easier on your back, on your wallet and on your time use. I hope that helped.
I think with number (2) he meant that they start them from seeds first in the tunnel, probably in seedling flats that are generally small. Then they transplant the young seedlings into larger pots (as they grow a bigger root system) and let them grow in the containers to 8 weeks, after which they then warm the soil enough to finally transplant the cucumbers for the second time, but this time from the bigger pots into the soil. I think that's what he meant.
The answer for number (3) is dependent on which beds you're talking about. JM usually has two types of plants, "heavy feeders" and "light feeders", planted in alternate beds. He composts the beds that are going to receive the heavy feeders before he plants them. After harvesting the heavy feeders, he plants light feeders in their place the next season without composting the beds because they don't need as much nutrition. If you look at it that way, you'll see that each bed will have compost added to it every other year, not every year, as a result of his crop planning schedule (discussed in detail in part 1 of this video series).
Number (4) is an interesting question. It's all about having a well defined growing area. Having an area that is known as a "permanent grow bed" and making sure that after it is created people don't walk all over it and there is no heavy machinery (like a tractor) or no excessive tillage done on it means that the soil will remain fluffy and loose from day 1 of formation. The pathways around the beds are for walking while the beds are for growing plants, although you might need to step on them once in a while, for example while using a broadfork. That is why permanent beds have a loose soil structure from the 1st day they are formed.
What do you mean by grafting tomatoes so they grow year after year? Does that have something to do with the plant on the bottom as it is a variety that can be grown year after year?
For leeks and green onions, my father used copper tubing and as he transplant his onions or leeks he slip a piece of tubing. With the absent of light, you had more of the whites than the greens. no need for burying leeks
this is where mankind is going....wanted or not. The billionaires of the world....add nothing to mankinds existence.....I mean....at all. All the money in the world...will not make soil fertile, productive and allow men to eat. This guy's knowledge is very simple.....his knowledge base is simply this....a huge bunch of simple "facts and acknowledgements" about how nature works....and allows one to be productive. That being said....most things in life are easy.....BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE THEM EASY. His work is NOT EASY. Not by a long shot. Most men...including me now,...with a leg disability....could not do this work...or ever choose to. This is why it's so important for men/women to teach their' kids young, these concepts and facts about soil, farming, etc. If one starts young...that's all they know....they won't want to build "semi-conductor" chips, be computer nerds, or make another ridiculous video game....we have enough competent geeks...as does every nation/country. Question: How many men/women does the world have who can take "regular soil like this and make it fertile to the extent of making it viable to $100+K per 1.5 acres. Answer: maybe 1,000 people....How many computer programmers, write meaningful code. Answer: maybe 5,000,000. Which is more valuable? Can't take a motivated 40 year old,....who's been making 65K behind a desk, eating at TGIF's for 10 years, to have the notion of doing something like this...to be successful...it would be a miracle and nearly impossible. Gotta teach kids.....before they feel injury, trauma, pain and let them feel the huge pride in "actually making proper food". Most kids don't even know where food comes from. If I were anything under 30 years old again Jean-Martin Fortier,....I would work for you....then do this....but I'm realistic at 52....it's just not possible to work this hard any longer. Get a "growing camp for children"....have successive teachings in the camp....then we can have "10,000 of you sir"...and the world needs this everywhere....or the world won't survive.
How do you get weed seeds from cow poop? Their stomach doesnt break that down? Theres a few things said here that sound like speculation from experience but not necessarily a full understanding of how or why it works the way it does....i watch a lot of gardeners & i realize Jean-Martin is a large influence to many of them. Being this is one of the few videos ive seen by him (just digging in ;) ).. Im a little surprised at how much he seems to not understand about his process.....feeling this one out atm....but please someone explain how you get weed seeds from cow poop?
A cow stomach, or a horse stomach for example, does not kill weed seeds that the animal eats. They poop them out and the seeds are still viable. This is actually a strategy for a lot of plants to ensure that the species gets spread. That's why it is always advices to not just put fresh manure on your garden but to put it on a pile and let it compost. Manure makes for a really hot compost pile, and that heat will kill the weed seeds.
Nice.....but if you've ever had any kind of knee pathology.....no way for this to be done....one then becomes an equity partner with cash...or they do nothing. All the points made in this video are really smart and well thought out.
At 29min 50. J.M. F is talking about grafted tomatoes and rotation. Did I get it right: After the season, he leaves the grafted tomatoe plants in place and they become perannial? If so do You prune it or renew the graftings every spring?
+Der Matzinger Most producers remove at least the above ground portion of the tomato plants at the end of the season from the heated house. This material should be buried in a non-production area or burned if you don't have a top-notch composting system that will kill pathogenic material. Some remove the roots as well, though others leave the roots and just plant around or into last year's root remains the following year. This practice is less work but obviously riskier.
Hi! Thanks! Is there a good reason, not to rotate the tomtoes then with other crops, like J.M. Fortier sais in the video? Isn't that lost valuable space in the greenhouse?
I'm shure you could use a chicken tractor on the beds (with the exact same with) calculate how many manure a chicken produces per day, and for how many days you need to leave the chicken tractor, until moving along to the next stretch of bed while covering up the part they allready did. It maybe a bit slower then buying manure, but you close a cycle. you are shure about the quality of the manure, they eat bugs (lets say your last crop had a bit of a bug problem) and scratch open the soil (what you would do anyway) toughts anyone?
Fortier is not an innovator. If you look at the methods used here it is horribly inefficient in the name of doing business "simply" Just look at his comment about the manure spreader, not using tractors, etc. I think this guy does most of the sales himself and uses free labor like wwoof for the rest to make up for the ridiculous inefficiency
Maybe not but the amount that is getting harvested is very little in the grand scheme of things plus the coconut trees need that organic matter from the coco coir! I prefer the lesser of 2 evils.
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I just got to say that this is my favorite grow show by far. I'm a new grower of 10 months or so and have had a couple good harvest alot due to the info I've gained from yalls show. So thanks dhc
It is incredibly generous to provide so much useful information. Thank you.
Very interesting and well-produced webcast. I especially like that the questions are re-typed on the screen.
thak you for the videos they are really informative
One thing I haven't heard him mention in the dense planting system... is the savings on nutrition... be it compost, teas, or otherwise... 1/5 the area to feed means 1/5th the nutrient requirement for same yield.
its nice to feel inspired
J-M, in your opinion, how does a spader (vangatrice) compare to a broad fork for preserving soil structure, loosening and aerating without inverting? What about using a subsoiler or vibratory plow to break up hardpans and allow for deep-rooted plants to access the lower parts of the soil profile (not every year, but in the beginning), in the style of P. A. Yeomans? I know you'll talk about the rotary harrow in another video. I have an old Ariens Model B tiller which I have been contemplating turning into a spader, since the tine box is missing. I have also been planning on building/adapting a BCS compatible interface for the PTO, whether or not I build a spader.
1. Hold up why no double dig?
2. Ok so for the cucumbers you plant it in the tunnel for 8 weeks, pot them while warming up the soil with clear plastic for a couple of weeks, then replant them?
3. Compost every other year or every year?
4. Why permanent beds mean loose soil already?
I can probably answer (1), although it may not be a complete answer. Digging of any kind brings up weed seeds from the soil seed bank under the soil surface, which will mean a lot more weeding, especially in the first year. It's also a lot of work if you're going to double dig 100 plus beds. Roots and soil organisms are so much better at "digging" (loosening and aerating the soil), so why not let them do it for you? It may take longer, but the results are far superior. For example, using every crop as a cover crop by harvesting only their tops and leaving their roots in the soil will not only feed the soil organisms, but as they decay, the roots will shrink away and leave pathways for air, water, animals and new roots - this is easier on your back, on your wallet and on your time use. I hope that helped.
I think with number (2) he meant that they start them from seeds first in the tunnel, probably in seedling flats that are generally small. Then they transplant the young seedlings into larger pots (as they grow a bigger root system) and let them grow in the containers to 8 weeks, after which they then warm the soil enough to finally transplant the cucumbers for the second time, but this time from the bigger pots into the soil. I think that's what he meant.
The answer for number (3) is dependent on which beds you're talking about. JM usually has two types of plants, "heavy feeders" and "light feeders", planted in alternate beds. He composts the beds that are going to receive the heavy feeders before he plants them. After harvesting the heavy feeders, he plants light feeders in their place the next season without composting the beds because they don't need as much nutrition. If you look at it that way, you'll see that each bed will have compost added to it every other year, not every year, as a result of his crop planning schedule (discussed in detail in part 1 of this video series).
Number (4) is an interesting question. It's all about having a well defined growing area. Having an area that is known as a "permanent grow bed" and making sure that after it is created people don't walk all over it and there is no heavy machinery (like a tractor) or no excessive tillage done on it means that the soil will remain fluffy and loose from day 1 of formation. The pathways around the beds are for walking while the beds are for growing plants, although you might need to step on them once in a while, for example while using a broadfork. That is why permanent beds have a loose soil structure from the 1st day they are formed.
What do you mean by grafting tomatoes so they grow year after year? Does that have something to do with the plant on the bottom as it is a variety that can be grown year after year?
For leeks and green onions, my father used copper tubing and as he transplant his onions or leeks he slip a piece of tubing. With the absent of light, you had more of the whites than the greens. no need for burying leeks
this is where mankind is going....wanted or not. The billionaires of the world....add nothing to mankinds existence.....I mean....at all.
All the money in the world...will not make soil fertile, productive and allow men to eat.
This guy's knowledge is very simple.....his knowledge base is simply this....a huge bunch of simple "facts and acknowledgements" about how nature works....and allows one to be productive. That being said....most things in life are easy.....BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE THEM EASY. His work is NOT EASY. Not by a long shot.
Most men...including me now,...with a leg disability....could not do this work...or ever choose to. This is why it's so important for men/women to teach their' kids young, these concepts and facts about soil, farming, etc.
If one starts young...that's all they know....they won't want to build "semi-conductor" chips, be computer nerds, or make another ridiculous video game....we have enough competent geeks...as does every nation/country.
Question: How many men/women does the world have who can take "regular soil like this and make it fertile to the extent of making it viable to $100+K per 1.5 acres.
Answer: maybe 1,000 people....How many computer programmers, write meaningful code. Answer: maybe 5,000,000. Which is more valuable?
Can't take a motivated 40 year old,....who's been making 65K behind a desk, eating at TGIF's for 10 years, to have the notion of doing something like this...to be successful...it would be a miracle and nearly impossible. Gotta teach kids.....before they feel injury, trauma, pain and let them feel the huge pride in "actually making proper food". Most kids don't even know where food comes from.
If I were anything under 30 years old again Jean-Martin Fortier,....I would work for you....then do this....but I'm realistic at 52....it's just not possible to work this hard any longer.
Get a "growing camp for children"....have successive teachings in the camp....then we can have "10,000 of you sir"...and the world needs this everywhere....or the world won't survive.
How do you get weed seeds from cow poop? Their stomach doesnt break that down? Theres a few things said here that sound like speculation from experience but not necessarily a full understanding of how or why it works the way it does....i watch a lot of gardeners & i realize Jean-Martin is a large influence to many of them. Being this is one of the few videos ive seen by him (just digging in ;) )..
Im a little surprised at how much he seems to not understand about his process.....feeling this one out atm....but please someone explain how you get weed seeds from cow poop?
A cow stomach, or a horse stomach for example, does not kill weed seeds that the animal eats. They poop them out and the seeds are still viable. This is actually a strategy for a lot of plants to ensure that the species gets spread. That's why it is always advices to not just put fresh manure on your garden but to put it on a pile and let it compost. Manure makes for a really hot compost pile, and that heat will kill the weed seeds.
He obviously doesn't reply to comments here but I'll ask anyway. How do they deter or deal with gophers and voles?
I will be trying to grow onions in sets of 4 in the 30inch bed pretty much the same :) we will see who it will go.
Rafs Kitchen Garden how do you plant three to a hole? Very close or spread apart? I'm trying it this year but kinda nervous lol
Nice.....but if you've ever had any kind of knee pathology.....no way for this to be done....one then becomes an equity partner with cash...or they do nothing.
All the points made in this video are really smart and well thought out.
chicken poop usually comes from large farms where they are pumped full of all kinds of stuff. Doesn't that also get into the plants some?
Correct unless it's from an organic chicken facility... which are as rare as hens teeth.
At 29min 50. J.M. F is talking about grafted tomatoes and rotation. Did I get it right: After the season, he leaves the grafted tomatoe plants in place and they become perannial?
If so do You prune it or renew the graftings every spring?
+Der Matzinger
Most producers remove at least the above ground portion of the tomato plants at the end of the season from the heated house. This material should be buried in a non-production area or burned if you don't have a top-notch composting system that will kill pathogenic material. Some remove the roots as well, though others leave the roots and just plant around or into last year's root remains the following year. This practice is less work but obviously riskier.
Hi! Thanks! Is there a good reason, not to rotate the tomtoes then with other crops, like J.M. Fortier sais in the video? Isn't that lost valuable space in the greenhouse?
How much Boron/Borax is used on a 50' bed?
light feeders are fertilized heavier than heavy feeders in this video, as well as in your book. Is this backwards, or intentional Jean-Martin?
Hillie Bakker they get more of the pelletized chicken manure, but they don’t get compost.
I'm shure you could use a chicken tractor on the beds (with the exact same with) calculate how many manure a chicken produces per day, and for how many days you need to leave the chicken tractor, until moving along to the next stretch of bed while covering up the part they allready did. It maybe a bit slower then buying manure, but you close a cycle. you are shure about the quality of the manure, they eat bugs (lets say your last crop had a bit of a bug problem) and scratch open the soil (what you would do anyway) toughts anyone?
i am actually planning on doing this when i start my farm early next year
If organic, you cant have raw manure on crops within 120 days of harvest, so that is why it needs to be pelletized or composted.
What about a "broad-fork with two or three stages?" This could be "made" by a decent welder...and still do the job of the simple one...right?
Fortier is not an innovator. If you look at the methods used here it is horribly inefficient in the name of doing business "simply" Just look at his comment about the manure spreader, not using tractors, etc. I think this guy does most of the sales himself and uses free labor like wwoof for the rest to make up for the ridiculous inefficiency
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Someone help me, please! What does he say on 38:37? Where does his compost come from? 40% is what (38:42)??? Thanks!
40% of his compost comes from a company called Fafard that produces peat moss. I had do to a quick google check just to make sure.
9:45 So this is where Trump stole yuuuge from.
10:03
A lot of peat moss in the compost. Look up peat moss harvest images, not environmentally friendly.
Eliot Coleman makes a good argument that peat is a sustainable resource.
Maybe not but the amount that is getting harvested is very little in the grand scheme of things plus the coconut trees need that organic matter from the coco coir! I prefer the lesser of 2 evils.
I respect your opinion, but it would be more valuable if you offered a solution with your criticism