Great to see you back, Nathan! That Sienna is an excellent vehicle. I have a 2017 SE with the V6, and we love it. The downside to tje new hybrid models (you guys covered this when it first came out) is that the middle row seats are no linger removable. I believe this has something to do with the battery pack placement? Nonetheless, that is such a shame!!! I can fold down tje rear seat, remove my middle row, throw down a tarp and it's a huge space to load up with almost anything. All the best to you and your family, hopefully California is going well for you all.
It has nothing to do with the hybrid drivetrain. It's because the seats have airbags in them and they are needed for safety. The battery pack in Toyota hybrids is basically the size of a vibrator battery.
Keep in mind also that the seats are still technically removable, just require some extra steps, but there are video on how to do it while turning off warning light. Not sure if it voids warranty if caught, so proceed with cation, but still an option.
I love the idea of the vac and fridge, but they want $2700+ for it. Like, I can go get a mini fridge and portable vacuum for around $200 (and can plug them into the car).
@@ninurabandara3180 You can get portable fridges. Most portable fridges that small use a Peltier cooler which is not very good. Portable compressor fridges take up a bit more room and would work well in the back but not between the seats. If this built in fridge is using the car's AC system, it is probably going to work well. Could be expensive to fix if it breaks though.
Nathan, it is a popsicle! I mean it will keep popsicles cold. Very good for soccer dads. I wish you spent time to test the semi autonomous driving features.
These 4th gen Siennas are some of the coolest looking cars on the road, let alone minivans! I preferred the matte finish center console with the pinstripe design though, and I hope they still offer the brown leather like the pre-refresh platinum had!
I drove my 21 Sienna XSE AWD (MSRP at about $45,000) for 3 years and 58,000 miles. Toyota gave me $37,500 for it on trade for a 24 Sienna XSE AWD. They sold it for over $40,000. At this point in time I believe if a person waited long enough they could purchase this $60,000 Sienna for $40,000. Everyone has a different experience I suppose !
10:43 This is the second straight Sienna video that he has said the Sienna gets 45 mph. Where did he get these numbers from? That's way above the 35 to 36 MPG EPA rating and most people's reported real world experience
I think my next vehicle would be the 2018-2020 sienna. I would of course love the newer ones with the hybrid drivetrain but it is not in my price range.
waited 3 months for my 2024 sienna platinum. I used the toyota inventory website to find it in Washington state. purchased platinum warranty zero deductible from midwest toyota in kansas. ask for the warranty manager. his price was lower than the dealership i purchased the car from.
Good review. We have owned a platinum AWD and over 65k miles, we average 33 mpg. You will never get 45 mpg from this van. No idea why they still use Toyota Safety Sense 2.0.
HondaVac is far superior and less awkwardly placed. You lose occupational storage putting it there versus Honda putting it in the left hand panel in the trunk. Much easier to dump the canister and it reaches driver floorboard
Here’s what his van should have Toyota at a $60,000 price level… 1) Pano Roof 2) Power lumbar for pass frt seat 3) Why no Safety Sense 3.0 instead of having a 2020 version 2.0? 4) Cooled as well as heated second row and a heated third row. Even though the seat materials are cheaper in the third row don’t make passengers back there feel totally like they’re unimportant 5) Why sill no new gen 5 hybrid tech? Kudos though on power tilt/telescope steering column, also hybrid technology combined with all wheel drive and for having genuine leather on platinum trim in first two rows should be all three though. Lastly HUGE kudos on an amazing humanity driven standard across the Sienna line movement detection sensors in the vehicle when turned off and locked and exited to prevent children or pets being locked up in the heat accidentally. I’m surprised that Nathan didn’t mention this one a class exclusive and Very great safety feature.
Because it's Toyota and they are banking on idiots paying whatever price they put out. Toyota is like the apple of the car industry: premium price, old tech, underpowered features.
I took and bought myself a Dyson vacuum cleaner and enjoy cleaning up trash in the car. It sucks like a beast and there are no hoses and it is much cheaper.
As minivans are not as popular as crossovers and SUVs, one would pick the Grand Highlander over this for the same price with 3 different power train options, or the fancier Lexus TX
We own a previous generation Sienna, rented a new Sienna and it feels smaller, especially the second row seating. The previous generation lets you slide the second row back and forth for tons of room. Sticking with our old van until we find something better. Also can’t beat the v6 of our old sienna.
45 MPG is really good. Most mid-sized trucks get about 24 MPG. LHT Performance in Florida put the naturally aspirated V8 from a Silverado into a Colorado and get 28-30 MPG on the highway.
Honda had the built-in vacuum idea years ago. $60K for a minivan? Nope. Not affordable for many families. Car companies need to stop trying to sell loaded vehicles at ridiculous prices like they were able to do during the pandemic when there were limited vehicles due to the chip shortage and low interest rates. Way too many tech features that aren't necessary beyond the safety ones. Buttons and knobs work just fine and are less distracting. What is needed are basic vehicles without all the doodads like heated seats, worthless DVD screens (kids all watch videos on their phones now), etc. Navigation isn't even necessary any more as most people use Google Maps on their phones, which doesn't need expensive updates. Better to just make a standard feature of an adjustable phone mount. I won't even mention that hideous front grill. Seems the Toyota/Lexus cow-catcher/Darth Vader designer is still in charge.
Meh. Toyota makes good quality vehicles and that's really the only benefit at this point. To get that good quality, you usually have to search for the make and model you want from various dealerships because their allocation rules are so unique to the industry that it makes it really hard to find the make, model and color you want. Dealers also know just how in demand these minivans are and usually charge a crazy markup. By local dealership told me it would be an extra 7K for a Toyota Sienna minivan. At that point it's just not worth it. The built-in vacuum cleaner might have been cool in 2014 when it was first introduced in the Odyssey, but today it's kind of silly. My wife has a Sedona and has a little portable vacuum cleaner in it that she'll just move into whatever her next minivan is going to be. Battery portable and rechargeable vacuums are commonplace and no one wants to be limited to the length of the vacuum tube anymore. Also, that center mounted screen is so outdated. Most SUVs and minivans nowadays have the rear screens mounted to the headrests so each person gets their own screen. Who wants to be looking up at the ceiling and sharing a screen in 2024? Makes it look super dated. Also, Toyota has to be thinking it's 2000 with that drink chiller. Every adult and child I know nowadays has an insulated beverage holder of some kind. Even my 4-year-old has to bring one to school everyday. Refillable bottles and bottle fillers are commonplace. Personally, if Kia gets the quality up a bit higher there and adds AWD to their hybrid Carnival, they would kill it in the minivan segment. Everything about the Sienna looks dated from the outside to the inside to the features.
I've been waiting in line for a Sienna since October 2022 and now it's my turn. It comes in early December, and a month ago I went to a KIA dealership and there all your Toyota killers are standing on the floor and there is no line and that says it all...
Ha, ha, ha. We passed so many regulations, that Toyota can't make them reliable, nor inexpensive. The car the cost, and pollutes the worse, is the one that's un-fixable. Next comes the one that's unreliable.
@@kevinbarry71 As EVs get more popular, they are gaining every year, where will ICE be? PS resale of used ICE is falling like a stone because new car inventory is back to normal.
@@alphaomega750 many people prefer the Kia because it looks like an SUV. But honestly, take off the badge and you wouldn't even be able to tell which is which. They all look the same. All flash, no substance.
I have been a long time Toyota owner and I can tell you the material has been getting cheaper and cheaper almost ridiculous. 60k is absolutely stupid it should be between $30,000 and $40,000 tops. Even their Camrys have become a piece of crap they don't even have a lock on their glove compartment, took away the TPMS sensor readout from the standard LE vehicles I mean we're talking about nickels and dimes here. how stingy! Their service departments and prices have become just too effing ridiculous I am now back to doing my oil changes and basic maintenance because it's a rip-off to even attempt to bring the car into their service departments. I'd like to say that they're cheap bastards but it's beyond they've become Criminal!
Just happy Nathan is safe and sound. ❤.
He's in California, not a war zone in a foreign country.
@@aerynlovell4754. 😂. Can’t see the forest through the trees
Great to see you back, Nathan! That Sienna is an excellent vehicle. I have a 2017 SE with the V6, and we love it. The downside to tje new hybrid models (you guys covered this when it first came out) is that the middle row seats are no linger removable. I believe this has something to do with the battery pack placement? Nonetheless, that is such a shame!!! I can fold down tje rear seat, remove my middle row, throw down a tarp and it's a huge space to load up with almost anything.
All the best to you and your family, hopefully California is going well for you all.
‘think the none removable middle seats has to do with the built-in airbags
It has nothing to do with the hybrid drivetrain. It's because the seats have airbags in them and they are needed for safety. The battery pack in Toyota hybrids is basically the size of a vibrator battery.
Keep in mind also that the seats are still technically removable, just require some extra steps, but there are video on how to do it while turning off warning light. Not sure if it voids warranty if caught, so proceed with cation, but still an option.
Heading into retirement, I was looking at a sprinter van for traveling. This is certainly an option. That center row seats looks comfortable.
I love the idea of the vac and fridge, but they want $2700+ for it. Like, I can go get a mini fridge and portable vacuum for around $200 (and can plug them into the car).
Exactly. Also that vacuum/fridge combo kinda takes up space.
You can buy a better portable vac for very little. Project Farm did a video on them recently. I forget the top pick.
but can you get a fridge ?
@@ninurabandara3180 You can get portable fridges. Most portable fridges that small use a Peltier cooler which is not very good. Portable compressor fridges take up a bit more room and would work well in the back but not between the seats. If this built in fridge is using the car's AC system, it is probably going to work well. Could be expensive to fix if it breaks though.
@@Rickmakes okay, thanks man
Great to SEE You again, Nathan ☺️
Nathan, it is a popsicle! I mean it will keep popsicles cold. Very good for soccer dads.
I wish you spent time to test the semi autonomous driving features.
These 4th gen Siennas are some of the coolest looking cars on the road, let alone minivans!
I preferred the matte finish center console with the pinstripe design though, and I hope they still offer the brown leather like the pre-refresh platinum had!
Yaaaay! Nathan is Back!!!
For 60k it seems to make sense to wait for a trade in and see if you can get a used one with lower miles for around 40kish,
I'd willing to pay anything for this van
I drove my 21 Sienna XSE AWD (MSRP at about $45,000) for 3 years and 58,000 miles. Toyota gave me $37,500 for it on trade for a 24 Sienna XSE AWD. They sold it for over $40,000. At this point in time I believe if a person waited long enough they could purchase this $60,000 Sienna for $40,000. Everyone has a different experience I suppose !
Used is more expensive than new and has way higher interest rates for financing.
He is obsessed with vacuum cleaner 😂
It is 2024, we have traveled into space and invented cordless vacuum technology.
Nathan is awesome and great review as always from him
10:43 This is the second straight Sienna video that he has said the Sienna gets 45 mph. Where did he get these numbers from? That's way above the 35 to 36 MPG EPA rating and most people's reported real world experience
No idea, we average 29-33 mpg.
Our 2018 XSE had the Shop Vac option in the rear. Never used it so I removed it and sold it for $200.
Same Rav4 TRD wheels on the Sienna. Now that's parts sharing.
Perfect family hauler, but $60,000 is an awful lot to spend. What does the base model cost? And, what is offered in the base model?
The features I’m looking for in a Sienna is a low price and availability. 👍
There website for 2025 model states 36/36 mpg
I think my next vehicle would be the 2018-2020 sienna. I would of course love the newer ones with the hybrid drivetrain but it is not in my price range.
Great tagline! 🤣 almost thought u trashing it!
Hello Nathaniel, zonk review! All the best
The platinum trim is crazy expensive 😅
waited 3 months for my 2024 sienna platinum. I used the toyota inventory website to find it in Washington state. purchased platinum warranty zero deductible from midwest toyota in kansas. ask for the warranty manager. his price was lower than the dealership i purchased the car from.
Best in class, will sell like hotcakes
Amazing
I think it's EPA rate for 35 MPG, most people report getting avg 30 mpg. I am not sure where you got 45 MPG from .
I’m easily getting 36 in the xse 19k miles
I get 36-39 mpg, and base on your feet!
45 is far fetched. I get 37 on my AWD for a year drive in MD. But driving style can have big mpg influence.
I rented a midlevel model for two weeks and averaged 44 mpg. About 4 tanks of gas so pretty representative mileage...
My 2021 Avalon XSE was rated for 43-44, but I usually gets around 50 mpg. The Avalon and Sienna have the same drive-train.
Good review. We have owned a platinum AWD and over 65k miles, we average 33 mpg. You will never get 45 mpg from this van. No idea why they still use Toyota Safety Sense 2.0.
HondaVac is far superior and less awkwardly placed. You lose occupational storage putting it there versus Honda putting it in the left hand panel in the trunk. Much easier to dump the canister and it reaches driver floorboard
I still wish Toyota would produce a cargo van in the States. Preferably both a full-size and a compact size.
The most dad thumbnail ever
Here’s what his van should have Toyota at a $60,000 price level…
1) Pano Roof
2) Power lumbar for pass frt seat
3) Why no Safety Sense 3.0 instead of having a 2020 version 2.0?
4) Cooled as well as heated second row and a heated third row. Even though the seat materials are cheaper in the third row don’t make passengers back there feel totally like they’re unimportant
5) Why sill no new gen 5 hybrid tech?
Kudos though on power tilt/telescope steering column, also hybrid technology combined with all wheel drive and for having genuine leather on platinum trim in first two rows should be all three though.
Lastly HUGE kudos on an amazing humanity driven standard across the Sienna line movement detection sensors in the vehicle when turned off and locked and exited to prevent children or pets being locked up in the heat accidentally. I’m surprised that Nathan didn’t mention this one a class exclusive and Very great safety feature.
Awesome more features that drive up costs for those of us NOT stupid enough to leave our loved ones in the car, ffs.
@@briancavanaugh7604 More often it’s pets
I'll skip features and go base model bargain basement variety
Because it's Toyota and they are banking on idiots paying whatever price they put out.
Toyota is like the apple of the car industry: premium price, old tech, underpowered features.
Why do you say 45 mpg? I have only seen 34 or 36
Haha, Nathan doing donuts in minivans! Nathan doing Nathan things!
$60k though, yikes!
The limited is best value
I give this guy 6 months tops
Lol 😂
One of them is NOT Toyota Safety Sense 2.0 from 2018.
I took and bought myself a Dyson vacuum cleaner and enjoy cleaning up trash in the car. It sucks like a beast and there are no hoses and it is much cheaper.
As minivans are not as popular as crossovers and SUVs, one would pick the Grand Highlander over this for the same price with 3 different power train options, or the fancier Lexus TX
Grand Highlander isn’t nearly as spacious for back row and cargo. No comparison
If they arent popular, then why are they hard to get?
an EV mode button!! WHY??? With less than 2kwh battery there is no point. Maybe Toyota is thinking about a version with a larger pack? Maybe a PHEV?
Are those parts bin wheels from the RX 350???
We own a previous generation Sienna, rented a new Sienna and it feels smaller, especially the second row seating. The previous generation lets you slide the second row back and forth for tons of room. Sticking with our old van until we find something better. Also can’t beat the v6 of our old sienna.
The second row seats move more than older models and in the platinum include a foot rest that can be raised. Very nice indeed.
It's underpowered compared to the competition.
What do you mean "underpowered"? You mean like 240hp instead of 290? Who cares? It's a minivan. You aren't going on the race track with it.
I watch TFL specifically for Nathan.
Bi g Deal, The Chrysler Pacifica Had That Years Ago !!!!!
But it ain't too super fantastically reliable
hi Nathan!
35 mpg is amazing for a van.
45 MPG is really good. Most mid-sized trucks get about 24 MPG. LHT Performance in Florida put the naturally aspirated V8 from a Silverado into a Colorado and get 28-30 MPG on the highway.
@@aerynlovell4754 45 MPG would be really good but the Sienna isn't rated that high.
@@amazingjason455 Nathan said several times that he was getting 45 MPG in the video at 10:35.
@@aerynlovell4754 Google the mpg.
36 Mi to a gallon with front-wheel drive 35 miles to a gallon with four-wheel drive
Can you leave hybrids park overnight in your driveway in extreme cold?
Yes.
Interstate boat😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜......Ground clearance is a bummer!!!!
45 MPG?
60… hmmm it will make for a great lease/rental.
Honda had the built-in vacuum idea years ago. $60K for a minivan? Nope. Not affordable for many families. Car companies need to stop trying to sell loaded vehicles at ridiculous prices like they were able to do during the pandemic when there were limited vehicles due to the chip shortage and low interest rates. Way too many tech features that aren't necessary beyond the safety ones. Buttons and knobs work just fine and are less distracting. What is needed are basic vehicles without all the doodads like heated seats, worthless DVD screens (kids all watch videos on their phones now), etc. Navigation isn't even necessary any more as most people use Google Maps on their phones, which doesn't need expensive updates. Better to just make a standard feature of an adjustable phone mount. I won't even mention that hideous front grill. Seems the Toyota/Lexus cow-catcher/Darth Vader designer is still in charge.
I’m still driving my 99 Sienna.
It doesn’t have a built in vacuum though.
The new one for me, costs way too much and has too many options.
That bag is easily going to last 250k miles
Nice! Now you can just live in there. Soon, a sink and a shower.
Meh. Toyota makes good quality vehicles and that's really the only benefit at this point. To get that good quality, you usually have to search for the make and model you want from various dealerships because their allocation rules are so unique to the industry that it makes it really hard to find the make, model and color you want. Dealers also know just how in demand these minivans are and usually charge a crazy markup. By local dealership told me it would be an extra 7K for a Toyota Sienna minivan. At that point it's just not worth it. The built-in vacuum cleaner might have been cool in 2014 when it was first introduced in the Odyssey, but today it's kind of silly. My wife has a Sedona and has a little portable vacuum cleaner in it that she'll just move into whatever her next minivan is going to be. Battery portable and rechargeable vacuums are commonplace and no one wants to be limited to the length of the vacuum tube anymore. Also, that center mounted screen is so outdated. Most SUVs and minivans nowadays have the rear screens mounted to the headrests so each person gets their own screen. Who wants to be looking up at the ceiling and sharing a screen in 2024? Makes it look super dated. Also, Toyota has to be thinking it's 2000 with that drink chiller. Every adult and child I know nowadays has an insulated beverage holder of some kind. Even my 4-year-old has to bring one to school everyday. Refillable bottles and bottle fillers are commonplace. Personally, if Kia gets the quality up a bit higher there and adds AWD to their hybrid Carnival, they would kill it in the minivan segment. Everything about the Sienna looks dated from the outside to the inside to the features.
I've been waiting in line for a Sienna since October 2022 and now it's my turn. It comes in early December, and a month ago I went to a KIA dealership and there all your Toyota killers are standing on the floor and there is no line and that says it all...
The thumbnail is confusing tbh bc it says “now it suck” are you talking about the car being bad or the vacuum
The vacuum... Obviously 🤦
As soon as I heard $60k, I realized that no one is affording this vehicle. Not worth watching the video.
Especially not at 8% interest.
Why the ugly front?
Because that's what most cars look like these days.
And I really like it....👍👍😂😂
Its worth no where near 60k. Thats a 38k dollar vehicle.
remember Pearl Harbor when buying foreign junk
Remember Hiroshima when buying domestic junk
60k?!🤣it's a joke!
Chrysler Pacifica non hybrid is 10k less has stow in go and is way more fun to drive.
yeah other than MPG and some other features I would lean towards one of these also looks better to they make a plug in hybrid
umm this is far better than any Chrysler lmao
$60,000 is too much.
for $60K, I will expect a Sienna truck not this poor vacuum cleaner.
Ha, ha, ha. We passed so many regulations, that Toyota can't make them reliable, nor inexpensive. The car the cost, and pollutes the worse, is the one that's un-fixable. Next comes the one that's unreliable.
Can't call them "mini" vans any more......how bout "MumVees" ?
"I don't exactly know what this is." Maybe you should research the car you're going to "review" before you review it.
This is what they waste Mr Nathan's talents on? In Charlotte? Sheesh, how lame....
I was gonna buy a new one until I found they where all ev and expensive
May I gift you a vacum cleaner please?
I think the 2025 pacifica pinnacle is better and I personally like gas powered too
not a fan of self-filming.
Are you just stating your opinions or are you referring to this video? This video had a cameraman present.
To much money and doesn't look like a vehicle that cost over 60k.
Umm yes it does, and it is worth EVERYy penny
It looks like a PT cruiser.
⛪️
The Toyota Siennasuck
Toyota is slowly going towards over pricing. I am staying away.
60k Id buy an EV9.
Don't get a nosebleed enjoying the depreciation
Ohh hell no
@@kevinbarry71 As EVs get more popular, they are gaining every year, where will ICE be? PS resale of used ICE is falling like a stone because new car inventory is back to normal.
@@jonathanratliff4780 And why not? Cheaper to run roomy inside. Plenty of everything.
To much money
Desperately needs a restyle on the outside….probably the ugliest of the current crop of minivans.
That's your opinion. The best for me eye. Maybe you like the ugly Kia lol
@@alphaomega750 many people prefer the Kia because it looks like an SUV. But honestly, take off the badge and you wouldn't even be able to tell which is which. They all look the same. All flash, no substance.
Toyota is always the best
I refused to believe otherwise
Meh. They've come down allot in quality. Especially for their price range.
I have been a long time Toyota owner and I can tell you the material has been getting cheaper and cheaper almost ridiculous. 60k is absolutely stupid it should be between $30,000 and $40,000 tops. Even their Camrys have become a piece of crap they don't even have a lock on their glove compartment, took away the TPMS sensor readout from the standard LE vehicles I mean we're talking about nickels and dimes here. how stingy! Their service departments and prices have become just too effing ridiculous I am now back to doing my oil changes and basic maintenance because it's a rip-off to even attempt to bring the car into their service departments. I'd like to say that they're cheap bastards but it's beyond they've become Criminal!