The Albigensians were not only gnostics who believed in reincarnation, They weren’t even monotheists (they believed in 2 gods). Very concerning that a Baptist would identify with them
Hi Jordan. Thanks for writing. I respectfully disagree. First, you don't know they were gnostics except that some Catholic scholar (or a Protestannt who was trained by them) said so. Those who denounce Anabaptists as heretics (there are some Protestant forms of Baptists included) always do so on the grounds of what their Catholic persecutors wrote about them. I once had a man attending our church (not a member) who began dating a Catholic young lady. She agreed to come to church with him a few times but quit because she said we were charismatics. We weren't even close! A lot of modern Baptists would consider us stuck in the 50's style of worship. But we did sing out loud, we had public prayer, and I preach with some passion. Her perception of us was tainted by her preconceived ideas of how church was supposed to be done. Any time a Catholic (or someone who has swallowed their lessons) says something about those Christians who refused to align with Rome, I pretty much dismiss them. By the way, many if not most Baptists identify with the Anabaptists. Those that don't are not, in my considered opinion, genuinely Baptist.
@ albigensians, not anabaptists. We do have surviving primary sources from Albigensians outlining their beliefs. They’re gnostic dualists who reject both the incarnation and the God of the Old Testament. All Christian’s today both Catholic and Protestant would consider them heretics if not a different religion entirely. Zero evidence they were anything close to baptists
@@ApologeticsAdvocatesalbigensians, not anabaptists. We have surviving writings of albigensians, we don’t have to rely on Catholic sources. They were gnostic dualists who rejected both the incarnation and the God of the Old Testament. Every christian today, both Protestant and Catholic would consider them heretics (if they would consider them Christian at all) Zero evidence they were anything close to modern Baptist
@@jordanmiller3927 to say that all Albigensians was gnostics isn’t right. It’s like saying all Baptist today is right. You would be lucky if 10% of baptists was scriptural today. and that is stretching it. Try and find a baptist church that doesn’t celebrate a pagan holiday. The seven churches of Asia all started out right but like the albigensis turned bad. I was raised in a scriptural Baptist church and over the years the Lord like the albigensis got spued out. That’s my two cents!!!!
@ they believe the material world was evil. That’s textbook Gnosticism. Their beliefs aren’t a mystery, you can easily look up what they believed online They also denied the physical incarnation and resurrection, believed in 2 gods, and thought the God of the Old Testament was evil, why would you ever want to identify with them?
We 100% do, you weren't around until 300 ad or there about and we go all the way back to the disciples, we are Baptists because we follow the Bible not because we have some sort of goofy man-made council, sorry we follow the lord Jesus and his word not some fake Pope, the Catholic church was created as a political tool, and it worked marvelously as such.
Hi Gerald, it is an historic mistake to claim the Catholic Church gave us the Bible. All of the books of the Bible already existed and were already in use by Christians, even those who never aligned with Catholicism. All the Catholics did was to grab what Christians already knew was the inspired New Testament writing, add a few other non inspired books with them and then make some unsanctioned changes to what was the Word of God. To repeat, Baptist people already had the bible, never got it from the Catholics, and the KJV translators leaned most heavily on manuscripts that had not been corrupted by the Catholics.
Thanks for commenting. The history I am giving here has been written about for centuries. Its not revisionist at all. But it is contrary to the popular Catholic narrative. I offer it simply so those who fon't know there is another option can take a look into it if they so desire. But it is wrong to be led to believe that only one view is valid.
Thanks for commenting, but I disagree. I believe that the only way to earnestly contend for the faith (as were are instructed to do) is to honestly present our doctrinal and historical ideas to the table. I do not believe we need to be mean spirited, and I do not think I have been. But if we do not look at these ideas, they get lost and the faith once delivered gets watered down to nothingness. I am afraid that is exactly what some professing believers want to happen.
@@ApologeticsAdvocates Baptists don't follow the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. Baptists have their own gods and a different gospel. (They aren't alone.)
And you say this why? What Gods of our own? If you speak of the gospel the Catholics proclaim, I will cheerfully agree ours is different than that! We believe in a gospel where Christ saves. Not religious action. HEY, THANKS FOR COMMENTING.
The Albigensians were not only gnostics who believed in reincarnation, They weren’t even monotheists (they believed in 2 gods).
Very concerning that a Baptist would identify with them
Hi Jordan. Thanks for writing. I respectfully disagree. First, you don't know they were gnostics except that some Catholic scholar (or a Protestannt who was trained by them) said so. Those who denounce Anabaptists as heretics (there are some Protestant forms of Baptists included) always do so on the grounds of what their Catholic persecutors wrote about them. I once had a man attending our church (not a member) who began dating a Catholic young lady. She agreed to come to church with him a few times but quit because she said we were charismatics. We weren't even close! A lot of modern Baptists would consider us stuck in the 50's style of worship. But we did sing out loud, we had public prayer, and I preach with some passion. Her perception of us was tainted by her preconceived ideas of how church was supposed to be done. Any time a Catholic (or someone who has swallowed their lessons) says something about those Christians who refused to align with Rome, I pretty much dismiss them.
By the way, many if not most Baptists identify with the Anabaptists. Those that don't are not, in my considered opinion, genuinely Baptist.
@ albigensians, not anabaptists.
We do have surviving primary sources from Albigensians outlining their beliefs. They’re gnostic dualists who reject both the incarnation and the God of the Old Testament.
All Christian’s today both Catholic and Protestant would consider them heretics if not a different religion entirely.
Zero evidence they were anything close to baptists
@@ApologeticsAdvocatesalbigensians, not anabaptists.
We have surviving writings of albigensians, we don’t have to rely on Catholic sources.
They were gnostic dualists who rejected both the incarnation and the God of the Old Testament.
Every christian today, both Protestant and Catholic would consider them heretics (if they would consider them Christian at all)
Zero evidence they were anything close to modern Baptist
@@jordanmiller3927 to say that all Albigensians was gnostics isn’t right. It’s like saying all Baptist today is right. You would be lucky if 10% of baptists was scriptural today. and that is stretching it. Try and find a baptist church that doesn’t celebrate a pagan holiday. The seven churches of Asia all started out right but like the albigensis turned bad. I was raised in a scriptural Baptist church and over the years the Lord like the albigensis got spued out. That’s my two cents!!!!
@ they believe the material world was evil. That’s textbook Gnosticism.
Their beliefs aren’t a mystery, you can easily look up what they believed online
They also denied the physical incarnation and resurrection, believed in 2 gods, and thought the God of the Old Testament was evil, why would you ever want to identify with them?
The trail of blood tell the truth
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We 100% do, you weren't around until 300 ad or there about and we go all the way back to the disciples, we are Baptists because we follow the Bible not because we have some sort of goofy man-made council, sorry we follow the lord Jesus and his word not some fake Pope, the Catholic church was created as a political tool, and it worked marvelously as such.
How do you follow the Lord, without the Bible presented to you by The Catholic Church?
Hi Gerald, it is an historic mistake to claim the Catholic Church gave us the Bible. All of the books of the Bible already existed and were already in use by Christians, even those who never aligned with Catholicism. All the Catholics did was to grab what Christians already knew was the inspired New Testament writing, add a few other non inspired books with them and then make some unsanctioned changes to what was the Word of God. To repeat, Baptist people already had the bible, never got it from the Catholics, and the KJV translators leaned most heavily on manuscripts that had not been corrupted by the Catholics.
Wow, talk about revisionist history.
Thanks for commenting. The history I am giving here has been written about for centuries. Its not revisionist at all. But it is contrary to the popular Catholic narrative. I offer it simply so those who fon't know there is another option can take a look into it if they so desire. But it is wrong to be led to believe that only one view is valid.
Peter was Southern Baptist
@@Joe-x6s5h peter who?
Funny
Lots of divisive rhetoric that brings no non believer closer to Him. A waste of oxygen. 🫡🙏🏼✝️
Thanks for commenting, but I disagree. I believe that the only way to earnestly contend for the faith (as were are instructed to do) is to honestly present our doctrinal and historical ideas to the table. I do not believe we need to be mean spirited, and I do not think I have been. But if we do not look at these ideas, they get lost and the faith once delivered gets watered down to nothingness. I am afraid that is exactly what some professing believers want to happen.
@@ApologeticsAdvocates Baptists don't follow the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. Baptists have their own gods and a different gospel. (They aren't alone.)
And you say this why? What Gods of our own? If you speak of the gospel the Catholics proclaim, I will cheerfully agree ours is different than that! We believe in a gospel where Christ saves. Not religious action. HEY, THANKS FOR COMMENTING.
Frankie8648, I created a short video in response to you. th-cam.com/video/-lvrXWLn0Fg/w-d-xo.html
@@ApologeticsAdvocates You know who your three gods are. Your gospel is going to heaven when you die. These things are not taught in the bible.