Wow 😯. I have a HP Z 440 with a E5 1650V3 32g 2133 ddr4. Just fitting an HP Turbo pci-e nvme adaptor. I bought it because it was cheap. Only has a K2200 GPU which works fine for what I do. Great information 👍🏾
Okay serious, question. Is this worth the money compared to a more modern workstation that's similarly priced? Both for your workload and in general. Is there even a more modern workstation that's about the same cost?
not worth it. these machines are obsolete and the performance compared to the cpus of current or even last gen is abysmal. one thing that will make these systems suffer ALOT is the pcie lane layout and the spare parts situation is bad when it comes to swapping things like a powersupply. If your psu breaks you are better off buying another system for parts. first hand experience from a z800 and z820 - unless you want to buy a standard powersupply and make your own adaptor for the proprietary pinout for the voltages. these systems are nice to look at. they are fairly modular and have features you dont normaly have on standard pcs like hotswap bays. but these features can be integrated into most modern systems nowadays without effort and the reality is the corecount flex doesnt justify the inferior performance of the individual cores in relation to powerdraw.
It's hard to say because there are single socket systems with more cores and threads than that nowadays. A Threadripper 7995WX system would have 64 cores/128 threads and support up to 2TB of RAM.
Xeon E5 is currently the sweet spot for getting a ludicrous number of cores affordably. The newer workstations (like the Z8 G4, the 840's successor) all use Xeon Gold/Platinum CPUs, which sell for way more for the same performance and can get into the thousands of dollars just for one CPU, while the fastest LGA2011 CPUs are at most $250. These are so cheap because businesses replace all of their systems after a certain amount of time, and that "end of life" period has been reached for Xeon E5 so businesses are getting rid of the hardware. That hasn't started happening on nearly the same scale for newer workstations, so you are still basically paying manufacturer prices for those computers instead of like 1/3 the retail price used. So in short, a new workstation for this price would have more CPU upgrade longevity in the future, but the CPUs you'd be able to get in it for the price would not be anywhere near as good.
@@DavisMakesGames Just how much exactly did you pay for your workstation? Because I've been seeing Threadripper 3960x CPU/mobo/RAM combos going for less than 2000 euros. To me, despite the fewer cores, it makes those Xeons look like toys. Do you need threads more than speed?
1) dont fool yourself with the plastic coversr. these machines are not build to a very high standard. the case hasnt changed in 4 generations of Z machines and the mainboard power delivery is barebones. even 150$ gaming trash boards features 12 or 16 phase power delivery nowadays and the design on these boards is designed to supply the power under load while being cooled. 2) you are wrong on the memory channels. each cpu has a 4channel layout. these dont combine into 8channel memory layout. if you want one cpu to talk to the memory of the other cpu your speeds are realy realy bad. 3) be aware of the pcie sockets you want to use if you run 3d applications. you dont want cpu0 to be utilized and loaded when your gpu sits on cpu1s pcie lanes. same goes for other cards. its one of the pitfalls with multicpu systems you need to be acutely aware of - the overhead of cross socket communication is substantial and will hinder performance in 3d applications that rely on system resources that combine cpu/gpu performance since you might have cpu1 fetch data from cpu0 just to pipe it back into the graphics card that sits on cpu0 pcie lanes
old dual xeons are only really worth it if you need lots of cheap memory, IO and parallel computing power. They are great for big storage servers or running lot's of vms. Anything low latency or single thread intensive is a very bad workload for these systems.
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Wow 😯. I have a HP Z 440 with a E5 1650V3 32g 2133 ddr4. Just fitting an HP Turbo pci-e nvme adaptor. I bought it because it was cheap. Only has a K2200 GPU which works fine for what I do. Great information 👍🏾
nice video!
how many mods can you load on a Minecraft server though?
Z840s are sexy. I have a very similar Dell that I don't use anywhere close to its potential.
Okay serious, question.
Is this worth the money compared to a more modern workstation that's similarly priced? Both for your workload and in general. Is there even a more modern workstation that's about the same cost?
not worth it. these machines are obsolete and the performance compared to the cpus of current or even last gen is abysmal. one thing that will make these systems suffer ALOT is the pcie lane layout and the spare parts situation is bad when it comes to swapping things like a powersupply. If your psu breaks you are better off buying another system for parts. first hand experience from a z800 and z820 - unless you want to buy a standard powersupply and make your own adaptor for the proprietary pinout for the voltages.
these systems are nice to look at. they are fairly modular and have features you dont normaly have on standard pcs like hotswap bays. but these features can be integrated into most modern systems nowadays without effort and the reality is the corecount flex doesnt justify the inferior performance of the individual cores in relation to powerdraw.
It's hard to say because there are single socket systems with more cores and threads than that nowadays. A Threadripper 7995WX system would have 64 cores/128 threads and support up to 2TB of RAM.
Xeon E5 is currently the sweet spot for getting a ludicrous number of cores affordably. The newer workstations (like the Z8 G4, the 840's successor) all use Xeon Gold/Platinum CPUs, which sell for way more for the same performance and can get into the thousands of dollars just for one CPU, while the fastest LGA2011 CPUs are at most $250.
These are so cheap because businesses replace all of their systems after a certain amount of time, and that "end of life" period has been reached for Xeon E5 so businesses are getting rid of the hardware. That hasn't started happening on nearly the same scale for newer workstations, so you are still basically paying manufacturer prices for those computers instead of like 1/3 the retail price used.
So in short, a new workstation for this price would have more CPU upgrade longevity in the future, but the CPUs you'd be able to get in it for the price would not be anywhere near as good.
@@DavisMakesGames Just how much exactly did you pay for your workstation? Because I've been seeing Threadripper 3960x CPU/mobo/RAM combos going for less than 2000 euros. To me, despite the fewer cores, it makes those Xeons look like toys. Do you need threads more than speed?
@@Liminal.Headspace Probably less than 2 grand.
1) dont fool yourself with the plastic coversr. these machines are not build to a very high standard. the case hasnt changed in 4 generations of Z machines and the mainboard power delivery is barebones. even 150$ gaming trash boards features 12 or 16 phase power delivery nowadays and the design on these boards is designed to supply the power under load while being cooled.
2) you are wrong on the memory channels. each cpu has a 4channel layout. these dont combine into 8channel memory layout. if you want one cpu to talk to the memory of the other cpu your speeds are realy realy bad.
3) be aware of the pcie sockets you want to use if you run 3d applications. you dont want cpu0 to be utilized and loaded when your gpu sits on cpu1s pcie lanes. same goes for other cards. its one of the pitfalls with multicpu systems you need to be acutely aware of - the overhead of cross socket communication is substantial and will hinder performance in 3d applications that rely on system resources that combine cpu/gpu performance since you might have cpu1 fetch data from cpu0 just to pipe it back into the graphics card that sits on cpu0 pcie lanes
Why ya gotta ruin it?
old dual xeons are only really worth it if you need lots of cheap memory, IO and parallel computing power. They are great for big storage servers or running lot's of vms. Anything low latency or single thread intensive is a very bad workload for these systems.
@@Looser_23 yess 👍