In my first world,I found a mesa (with flat hills And a tree) divided by a forest And dark forest next to each other which is close to hills and 3 ocean monuments, a mushroom island guarded by an ocean monument, a savanna, snowy tundra a little far away, and a zombie and spider spawner close to spawn. I love that world.
@@jam_xo972 the achievement is for regular biomes. if it was for the modified and less common those speed runs could and will take weeks maybe even months.
The title is a bit misleading. These aren't in order from least-most rare, this is in order of decreasing average surface area in a world. Having less surface area doesn't necessarily make it harder to find.
@@sthgamer_ That's completely incorrect. Let's use this video as an example. It states that desert lakes are rarer than wooded badlands, snowy taiga hills, and giant tree taiga. However, that is not true. Desert is a very common biome, and within it, you are about 50% guaranteed to find a desert lake within it. Yes, wooded badlands, snowy taiga hills, and giant tree taigas all cover WAY more surface area than desert lakes, but they have much less of a spawn rate, making them rarer. Im not just talking about my own experience, it's literally in the game's coding.
Dear Bedrock players.Use -2044805334 seed and then teleport X:-12699 Z:-17016 You will see there are Eroded Badlands,Modified Badlands Plateu,Modified Wooded Badlands Plateu and Bamboo Jungle Hills.All together in a place.
So the funny thing is, me and my friend had just started a new survival world. I was looking for a place to build a nice, cozy mansion.. we had spawned in a jungle, but my friend wanted to build in a plains biome. I liked the jungle. We walked for a long time until FINALLY we found a jungle and plains beside each other. I found an amazing hill leading down to a river with a flat spot at the top surrounded by jungle trees that I loved. Turns out it was the rarest one on the list..
I spawned in a Jungle Biome, (my main minecraft world.) I always build my homes in plains, so the closest plain was 1000 blocks away. From there, The Ocean was 600 blocks away. The nearest village was 1,200 blocks away. Ice Spikes biome was 1,800 blocks away.
Pretty sure there are more factors to rarity than how much land a biome may cover, right.?? Regardless, it was a neat video. I didn't know about a lot of these combinations.
I renember spawning in some badlands when the update came out. It was named mesa and what I didn't knew is that there were no trees nor peacefull mobs, when night fell I hid in some water chamber inside a mesa. Ah, memories...
I've played this game SOOOOOOO much and there are some biomes I could swear I've never seen... and then ones I've seen 10 times a day twice as rare like wut
The Rarest Biome is the one you are looking for
Lol,I Agree!
Me who started looking for a jungle an hour ago and found it 20 minutes later: *not always😏*
@@Lilyjem39 that sounds like it almost took you an hour and a half to find the jungle
so true
FR though!
Mountains are 2.10% coverage? It feels like 99.9% when I'm actually playing
It's talking about the WORLD. Coverage the world is above IOM blocks
@@waseefaIi it's a joke dood
I once got three woodland mansions next to each other in a legacy edition world
@@cheezopuff7716 seed?
@@cheezopuff7716 Seed pls
Plain: 2.82%
River: 1.44%
Frozen ocean: 0.195%
Me: *Spawns near a plain, a river, and a frozen ocean*
Common
How
Nether and The End
Lmao yes
You are so luck
Rarest biome:
Finding a flat spot for your house
Why is this so true
Yes exactly my comment
In my case its finding a village with flat space
creo que tienes razon pero no es tan... imposible XD despues de un dia completo de jugar minecraft lo encuentras jajajjaja
fun fact: while speedrunning (random seed, on bedrock) i spawned in a mushroom fields, at 0, 0 crazy huh?
Wth
Im trying to find badlands but its impossible
landen gregory i agree
Incredible!
i think my rarest biome is prob badlands plateau
Wait dark forest is 0.78%?! It feels like 50% percent of the world is covered in dark forest.
Dark - sci forest
Keep in mind that it is 0.78% of all dimensions, so they are actually 2.34% of the overworld
Actually it’s 2.34. Considering the fact he is counting all dimensions
I can never find dark forests I swear. Dark oak my fav wood too like bruh 😢
Minecraft world is huge so in percentage its true
Ocean: 2.67% world coverage
Ocean: “Oceans cover 25-33% of the surface area of the Overworld”
It's because of the nether and the end
@@danigeo247 In that case the percentage would be cut into a third, a third of 25%-33% is 0.083%-0.11% so it'd still be wildly inaccurate
@@sugarrookieart in which world is a third of 25% 0.083%? buddy you failed math class didnt you?
@@czegg2517 hahahaah I think he divided 25 as a percentage not as a number
2.67% = Normal Ocean Biome
25-33% = All Types of Ocean Biome
Lol
In my first world,I found a mesa (with flat hills And a tree) divided by a forest And dark forest next to each other which is close to hills and 3 ocean monuments, a mushroom island guarded by an ocean monument, a savanna, snowy tundra a little far away, and a zombie and spider spawner close to spawn. I love that world.
Nether fortress: 0.0000000000000000000000000001%
true
Bastion: 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
They are rare but not rare as 0.0000000000000000001%
@@festenzurius7454 no bastion is = -1e
Facts
The percents are so low because there are so many biomes
Ik
ikr
And because this is all three of the dimensions combined. Multiply the percent by 3 to find the percent coverage in that specific dimension.
I think the percents are so low because there are so many biomes
@@deltacat27 it still makes no sense. It says that oceans are 3% but it also says they make up 30% of the overworld
Taiga is 1.39%?! It feels like 99.99.99.99% for me when im actually playing
Its 99.99% Not 99.99.99.99 %
sim cwafter u idit no it aculy 9999999999999999
@@simcrafter w
Its 9
True
i love how i don't even know that 15% of these biomes actually exist
For some reason dream's world's are filled with modified jungle edges.
Lol
Lmao
RNG modifications
He’s just lucky
He doesn’t modify his game. He just has a really good gaming chair.
But srsly, he doesnt
my dude called it badlands instead of the Mesa I feel disrespected
Chicken tit
🐔
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Cause it is badlands mesa was the old name
because it is ._.
Same
Imagine a speed run but only for travelling through all biomes
illuminaHD did a speedrun of all achievements. one of the achievements is going to every biome in game. its on his yt channel. go watch it.
@@jam_xo972 I wish more people would speedrun that... I know it's so hard and time consuming, but I really like watching those...
@@jam_xo972 i saw his video
Man
What a legend
I can get most of the biomes in minutes but I’ll never get the jungle🙃
@@jam_xo972 the achievement is for regular biomes. if it was for the modified and less common those speed runs could and will take weeks maybe even months.
I can predict this is recommended to you in 2021
Yep
Yes
not if I searched for it
"Beach covers 1% of the world"
Me who sees it every time I make a random seed: Sure buddy
it covers 1 % of your world. Not that it has 1 % chance to spawn
The title is a bit misleading. These aren't in order from least-most rare, this is in order of decreasing average surface area in a world. Having less surface area doesn't necessarily make it harder to find.
@Trash Builds thats not accurate in the slightest lol
But, you're wrong, covering less surface area makes it harder to find. Isn't that just common knowledge?
@@sthgamer_ That's completely incorrect. Let's use this video as an example. It states that desert lakes are rarer than wooded badlands, snowy taiga hills, and giant tree taiga. However, that is not true. Desert is a very common biome, and within it, you are about 50% guaranteed to find a desert lake within it. Yes, wooded badlands, snowy taiga hills, and giant tree taigas all cover WAY more surface area than desert lakes, but they have much less of a spawn rate, making them rarer. Im not just talking about my own experience, it's literally in the game's coding.
@@Neptune_171 oh, I'm just dumb. Sorry for the incorrect correction.
@@sthgamer_ dont call yourself dumb, its just one mistake
Plains biome is the rarest when you want to build something
Exactly
Facts
Ikr
Once I spawned in a forest and I went thousands of blocks just to find a 50-block-wide plains biome that has very rough terrain.
100% true, I can’t find one, it’s been weeks…
Fun fact: if you play in winter there is a way higher chance to spawn in a winter beach at a frozen lake
I have never generated a jungle in my whole life after 1.4
Ratio
wierd I havent generated a swamp once more
@@fesjo1013 go back to tik tok
I have but it was small
I just generated a world in 1.16( bedrock edition) and spawned in a bamboo jungle, i spawned again in a jungle during a speedrun
Everybody gangsta till 25% = 2.67%
(0:34 oceans biome)
Lol then It should be 25%
So these percentages include the other dimensions, that explains why so low... kinda confusing
@@clairet5636 there aren't oceans in the other dimensions
@@jakayy right so that’s why the percentage would get a lot lower
@@clairet5636 yeah true
I've been passing by biomes without knowing it was rare whole time
So true-
I found a modified jungle edge once what’s incredible is that’s one of the most improbable things I will ever experience
same got it in one of my speedruns
Same
same
I literally had a survival world and I found every biome, frozen river, sunflower, flower forest , etc but the fuckin jungle...
same
Well that’s where I live on those worlds
I can't believe even if someone finds a modified jungle edge it is small just why
So you're a Minecraft player? Name every biomes
"Oh ok"
"Wait i don't mean to-"
All Biomes
Plains
Sunflower Plains
Ice Plains
Bamboo Jungle
Bamboo Jungle Hills
Flower Forest
Dark Forest
Birch Forest
Tall Birch Forest
Dark Forest Hill
Rain Forest
Seasonal Forest
Shrubland
Forest
Jungle
Jungle Hills
Modified Jungle
Jungle Edge
Modified Jungle Edge
Mountains
Extreme Hills
Extreme Hills Edge
Gravelly Mountains
Gravelly Mountains+
Wooded Mountains
Dessert
Dessert Hills
Ice Dessert
Dessert Lakes
Taiga
Taiga Hills
Mega Taiga
Giant Tree Taiga
Giant Tree Taiga Hills
Giant Spruce Taiga
Giant Spruce Taiga Hills
Snowy Taiga
Taiga Mountains
Snowy Taiga Mountains
Snowy Tundra
Ice Spikes
Swampland
Swamp Hills
Savannah
Shattered Savannah
Savannah Plateau
Badlands
Eroded badlands
Wooded Badlands
Wooded Badlands Plateau
Modified Wooded Badlands Plateau
Plateau
Modified Plateau
Mooshroom Fields/Mushroom Isle
Mushroom Island Shore
Beach
Snowy Beach
Ocean
Warm Ocean
Lukewarm Ocean
Deep Lukewarm Ocean
Deep Ocean
Deep Cold Ocean
Deep Warm Ocean
Cold Ocean
Frozen Ocean
Deep Frozen Ocean
Legally Frozen Ocean
Void
River
Frozen River
The Nether
Warped Forest
Crimson Forest
Soulsand Valley
Nether Waste
Basalt Deltas
Hills
The End
End Islands
End Midlands
End Highlands
End Barrens
End City
Small End Islands
Outer End
Caves
Mega Caves
Deep Dark
Dripstone Caves
Lush Caves
"CMIIMW"
He left the Discord Chat
"Bruh"
U forgot mesh caves
@@galibrahman5892 Lol he Goat
But u vented infront of everyone!
>:0
Yehezkiel Rich, you like minecraft a lot? Name every Minecraft seed. Cmon. I dare you.
Dear Bedrock players.Use -2044805334 seed and then teleport X:-12699 Z:-17016
You will see there are Eroded Badlands,Modified Badlands Plateu,Modified Wooded Badlands Plateu and Bamboo Jungle Hills.All together in a place.
Omg It works in Pocket too Thank you:)
@@Ocyyy_dk We found this seed randomly with my friends
thank you :^D
Omg make this ceo of seeds XD. Thnx btw
:O
Ocean: 2.67% World Coverage
You who spawned in a middle of a 100% Ocean: WHAT THE-
Shatter Savannah: 0.040%
My brother: finds two right next to each other
i found one too
WatchGame: The forest is not very dangerous.
Creepers in the forest: *Invisibility 100*
So the funny thing is, me and my friend had just started a new survival world. I was looking for a place to build a nice, cozy mansion.. we had spawned in a jungle, but my friend wanted to build in a plains biome. I liked the jungle. We walked for a long time until FINALLY we found a jungle and plains beside each other. I found an amazing hill leading down to a river with a flat spot at the top surrounded by jungle trees that I loved. Turns out it was the rarest one on the list..
Ooo, lucky!
I thought the modified jungle edge is when a jungle edge meets a swamp biome or it could be that.
@@carlotizz You're right about the JEM it's that the original commenter confused a Regular JE for a JEM.
Rarest minecraft biomes: Soul sand valley
me spawning at a soul sand valley every time I make a portal:
0.0000089% of finding an actually good place to build a house
And not me trying breed villagers then running into a Modified Jungle’s edge
I am in this place lol
it's feel like I must building in every biome because every biome is good
@@Ivander_K except swamp
The badlands plateau is a good place to build your house cause It’s empty
Who remembers when badlands was called mesa and still calls it mesa?
I played on 1.8, and yes, I remember it
For me, it's still mesa
I still call it mesa
ye same
i just found out it wasn't called a mesa biome
The rarest thing for me is what I look for -_-
Why is this so relatable 🤣
Yeah I travelled 1000 blocks away from my house to find the badlands and i didn’t find it
Love?
You can't believe me that I always get spawn in frozen ocean
the same
With 2.67% coverage, oceans manage to cover 25-33% of the overworlds surface. Nature is amazing.
You missed every type of ocean
I mean no but ok
Frozen ocean is in there, but not cold ocean, lukewarm ocean, warm ocean, all the deep variants of oceans...
@@himom7225 Yes but ok
F
@@himom7225 he did
savanna is rare:
bedrock players: INTERESTING
I am living in Savanna region in Minecraft Java edition
Exactly, I am lucky to be on bedrock
Me who has all biomes in my world except Jungle: Very Interesting
Me creating a new world : 99% is frozen sea -_-
You're telling me a god damn forrest is rarer than an end city?
Why not
Lol
Their not talking about the end city
They are talking about the biome that grows chorus fruit in the end city
literally just go through the end gateway and its ez to find
Him: piliager outposts are where you can get wood in the desert surface.
Dead bush: am I a joke to you?
Bullsh*t everytime I go in the nether it's nothing but warped forests 😂😂
Lol i get bastion house i got a diamon pick from dat lol
U realize it goes from most common to rarest? The video literally says warped forests are more common than normal forests..
*cries in always gets the one with the soul sand*
@@DietDrKelpers soul sand valley biome
@Sean Liu for me I always spawn in an endless wastelands biome
When i realized i founded that advanced jungle biome is very rare me: bruh i found it in my first 1.17 world
Coincidentally, I created a world and I see a Flower Forest
I got a zombie village when i spawned a new map on 1.15.
@@radudumitru7692 woah!
@@radudumitru7692 that happened to me a million times
This practically says that Plains Biomes are less common than Warped Forests.
Found Mushroom: 😄
Spawn at Mushroom: 😡
Ñ
Ñ
Ñ
Ñ
Ñ
Everyone : frozen river is so hard to finddd
Me : look theres one close to my house omegalul
I havent found a jungle biome since 2018
Uh
I haven't found a mushroom island in 7 years!
Lol and when I try to have a good nice game I am in a jungle with creepers and skeletons everywhere
I can find every biome in Minecraft , but this guy
*Eroded Badlands* :
Him impossible to find
Thats the rarest one i've found.
I've already seen and explored all of the biomes mentioned in this video except for the nether update.. ._.
I have been playing since 2010 so yeah i found them all but it took 10 years 😅😅
Me, in a world where Badlands cover majority of the landscape: *Nice*
Ikr, I have a Mesa right near my house
I swear you never find the ones you Need at the right time
Been playing since 2012. Have never found a mushroom biome.
Wow really? It's like a normal thing for me. Hope you find one soon
THAT is some Luck mate, u might just find one in the next world u play
It's Mostly In Middle Of Oceans
@Not bot Well some people are just scared to explore since House gets lost
@Not bot Nope. I always screenshot coords too. I just can't find the biome.
Savanna: 0.88% me spawning 3 times in row on savanna: pog
Yes
If you are in Bedrock is less rare
I am in bedrock and spawned about 10 times is savanna
after 9 years of playing ive found every single boime on this list
0:27 But forests do have dangers, sometimes during the day it can get dark enough for monsters to spawn.
This video just recommended to everyone
I never tought that theres so much biomes in Minecraft
Bruh Ik there’s not a lot of savannas but when I play it feels like it’s everywhere!
Modified Jungle Edge is 0.0001%
But why thats very easy to find
Ocean: 2.67% world coverage
Fun fact: oceans cover up 25 to 33% of world
Me: MaKes sENsE
Idk to you but when I searched it, it said 96.5 of all the water in the earth is ocean.
Or maybe my Google is broke
@@youreasimp7573 he/she Said ocean, not water. There's also lakes, waterfalls, linns and more.
@@youreasimp7573 Ye and its of all the water not the earth
You may call it a Badlands biome...
But for me it will always be The Mesa!
Yes for me too
Yes for me too
same here
I spawned in a Jungle Biome, (my main minecraft world.) I always build my homes in plains, so the closest plain was 1000 blocks away.
From there,
The Ocean was 600 blocks away.
The nearest village was 1,200 blocks away.
Ice Spikes biome was 1,800 blocks away.
When I was reading your comment I farted and I threw up on my pants :(
@@Fiddledeedoo what
@@xxfortnitegamerxx8536 could I use you to throw away my puke smelling pants please? :(
@@Fiddledeedoono thanks
i found eroded badlands like five years ago without knowing what it was
Cool your a star! 💖
Same, when i made my first ever survival world i spawned in that biom lmao.
All of these need patched. 0.003% jungle is ridiculous
Look at all the biomes there are
Yeah they should just make all of them 50% more common
@@blustgt8814 and? Worlds that generate the majority of the overland as just ocean plains and desert aren’t fun
@@robloxkiller1400 the math doesn't add up.
@@MrAzboGaming yes, but that would mean they need to make some biomes less likely and others more likely
The shattered savana is SOO BEAUTIFUL
I know right? Its the best biome.
@@imbob99999 kinda boring though. Hoped for a savanna update lmao
@@wowduckfromducksong3429 it will never happen, savanna lose at voting update
I found Modified wooded badlands plateau once in survival. I had no idea it was so rare.
I have a world that has a moo shroom biome and Mesa biome next to each other
I spawned in a Bamboo jungle hills, right next to a Gravelly hill
(I didn't know something like that existed 😶😐😂)
Gravity falls
Pretty sure there are more factors to rarity than how much land a biome may cover, right.?? Regardless, it was a neat video. I didn't know about a lot of these combinations.
I live next to a giant spruce taiga hills but it doesn’t snow because my world rarely rains
It’s always endermans there
I FOUND MODIFIED JUNGLE EDGE!
Seed - -7742823515333936267
X - -4536
Z - -1424
Bedrock or Java?
@@lawuro Java, last snapshot
Fun Minecraft fact: it took me 200+ Minecraft days just to find a village on my hardcore world it's now my 671 day on it lol
Pathetic.
I never found a village in mine
Pathetic.
I found a village with no villagers
@@nubobscooptheminecraftmyth2975 it must be abandoned then
Pathetic : I spawn near village everywhere
@@Cynoden thats not even pathetic :/
Modified jungle edge is the rarest of all
*me who spawned there randomly*
@@swatchguard huh
@@swatchguard huh?
Video: hey check out all of the biomes that are hard to fin-
Comments: *I’ve been to every single one of them including the ones you missed*
Remember when biomes weren’t thousands of blocks wide?
They changed that?
no
ah yes theres less jungle than there is 1000 blocks of the end
My brother and me: *builds a castle near a mountain*
also silver fish: >:)
Ocean biomes: Am I a joke to you?
Nether fortress in 1.16: 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
I renember spawning in some badlands when the update came out. It was named mesa and what I didn't knew is that there were no trees nor peacefull mobs, when night fell I hid in some water chamber inside a mesa. Ah, memories...
The Mesa biome, the memory
Badlands is a tf2 map name, and the color are just like Badlands
@@dinonuggiesguy4847 yes
evryone: watching the video
me: vibing with the music
What’s it called
@@shankszanpakuto5330 idk
the rarest structure?
nether fortress when i want to speedrun
very relateable
Yo, I've seen like 4 modified badlands and thought they were uncommon but that uncommon.
Nether forrtress in a speedrun normal:
0.0002
In a dream speedrun:
99.999910
I have a nether fortress next to my nether portal
@Michael Jastrzembski and then on your way back you find a another one that 2 blocks away from the portal
🤣
@Michael Jastrzembski Don't walk in same direction. Make sure to look in every direction.
Why is this recommended to us after 7 months?
So you're a minecraft player? Name every Biome
biome done ;)
I Already Found
Badlands
Frozen Ocean
Ice Spike
Baambo Jungle
And Mushroom Fields
Ok
@@hg77izanagi66 wait
Ocean: 2.67% world coverage
Right below it: Oceans cover 25-33% of the world
the overworld
@@TheSocialInferno I know it's still funny though
HermitCraft base
99% of world coverage
Even as soon as two months into the season.
You tell me the end is rarer than a swamp😂😂 end is gonna spawn always
When I don't really know how to play this game I just spawned on a mushroom field shore on a mushroom!
Uh.... thanks for liking
No one commented except author and me ._. (idk why but I spawned in Modified Wooded Badlands Plateau)
if you create super flat world then plains are 100%
How about setting the flat world biome to a custom biome
1:42 terracotta, or better said:
-"you know what are we surrounded by? Clay. Hardened clay."
-Dream-
My brother :makes a world
Me:OMG U SPAWN IN THE MUSHROOM SHORE
My Brother:huh?????
aww man, i found 4 biomes at the same place
Ur Modified jungle edge: 0.0001%
MY Modified jungle edge: 58.99%
Forest is 2.72 % .I thought it was 90 % of the world except plains
The rarest is tall birch where birch trees can reach from 7-15 blocks high
Frozen river: I am rare
Me: *laughs in Frostwalker boots*
How do you make those boots anyway? I've tried and I think I messed up the recipe for it
It’s not a recipe
It’s an enchantment
@@aguy6050 ohhhhhh got it is there a Item I need to for the boots to enchantment? with or no?
you enchant it not craft it
The probability of getting all the biomes goes to 100% when u get the world seed
I've played this game SOOOOOOO much and there are some biomes I could swear I've never seen... and then ones I've seen 10 times a day twice as rare like wut
I've seen every biome. I've been playing for 9 years I believe
@@Hepoxni have you seen the farlands 😏
@@mike_404 LOL no
I've played for half a decade and seen everything.
@@Hepoxni Swamp Hills?
i found so many mushroom biomes thinking it was common