A £500 million upgrade to the type 45 has been announced. The plans are to facilitate the introduction of CAMM , a new 24 CAMM silos will be added in front of the present 48 Astra 30 silos. Increasing the missile capacity by 50% and result in a capacity of 72 anti-air missiles per destroyer.
The upgrade is two-fold. First, you're getting 72 VLS tubes. Second, all of the 48 Sylver cells contain the long range Aster-30 instead of a 30/15 mix. The 24 CAMM missiles do the job of the Aster-15 so now there's only Aster-30s. And because the Aster's terminal dart guidance is so good you only need to launch a single Aster to guarantee a kill. One Aster One Kill SM-2 and AEGIS requires salvo fire, 2 missiles to guarantee a hit, effectively halving the number of shots you have. And magazine depth is _life_ in this game.
Should of built the initial 12, along with 18 Frigates (fully equipped versions) and had 10 of the Astute class SSN's. Coupled with the two carriers that would enable a fully equipped strike carrier group and potentially two at 3/6 months notice. Given the length of time to create modern ships we should be having a larger force so in the event of conflict any losses are not immediately crippling to our defence capabilities.
@@uzoma112 When you mistreat your armed forces, send them into wars that you don't let them actually fight in to their fullest, then cut your armed forces to the bone it puts off many from signing up. Need a much larger body of personnel, having units not be out at sea for a year at a time may help. More flexible rotations with larger staff would migitate this. Many these days are obsessed with their phones, becoming a celeb or footballer of sorts. Which is distracting from a aged perspective. Soon as they make full time military personnel not be locked into their role absolutely per say the better I think.
I fully agree with you. I've long been writing to my MP and the Daily Telegraph about just this (since 2005). Even a major expansion of the Type 31 program would give us hulls we can afford to lose, and in more places, and we could upgrade them too.
@Raider Primus Failed ships? How? How do you know - they aren't even built yet! The Type 31s are meant to put a ship where we need a presence but not something of great expense or firepower - escorting oil tankers against piracy, for one example. A Type 31 is just enough for that job. The Type 26s are meant for the heavier tasks.
Are you a 19th century time traveler or just ignorant? Warships have been obsolete for almost a hundred years. Nowadays they sink faster than their captain can shout: "Hypersonic missile saturation attack!!!!!"
@Raider Primus There hasn't been a war with any power that has hypersonic missile so all those ships and their crews are safe for now (thank God). But China and Russia are building them like their life depends on it (and it does). From the commentators like you I hear its just propaganda... those weapons are useless. I think the real propaganda is trying to hide that the West has lost the edge over China and Russia and that in a conventional war US and allies are unable to win.
I think he may be referring to the the obsolete cruisers and just about every capital ship including the Admiral Krunchie carrier ! But as as primarily air defence vessel the D type ,due to lack of Russian expenditure on updating radar , avionics and digital systems on all its aircraft now well over 20 years old with complete lack of integration between systems bar 1 ( the pretty one with the nice 2 tone grey paint job- I really can't stand overdoing the technical crap) operational stealthy woosh thingy , this makes pretty much all of the Russian flying stuff obsolete ! Get it chaps - tracks 2000 targets about 10 times more than piloted serviceable Russian aircraft that won't even get closer enough to break wind in the approximate direction of this beast , can launch and re launch 48 missiles repeatedly at anything faster than a Pizzahut delivery moped near Uranus ! And shoot the shit out of everything else . You can perhaps now see why the Russian skipper screamed " Do not , I repeat DO NOT HIT THE DEFENDER " , as that would have been the Crimea problem over and done with . Seriously though no one wants any sort of war , just a peaceful life for all and freedom of the worlds navigable sea lanes , otherwise WE WILL DESTROY YOU !!....... Damn Blair , fucking commie if it was for that damn convicted sex offender and all round nasty war criminal we would have lots more , but those theiving commies are all the same , and Blair should be dangling from whatever is Defenders equivalent of a yard arm !
@@georgerobartes2008 I agree that Russian navy is far more obsolete than US navy but we are really talking about paradigm change with hypersonic weapons,. I t really doesn't matter if someone's spear is longer and sharper if the other side uses firearms. This was a problem throughout history causing fall of empires because they were not willing to adapt and refuse to let go of what had served them in the past.
Sorry, I misspelled a lot in my previous post after a beer too many so you may have misunderstood . What I meant is that the nature of warfare has changed. The nature of the world has changed. And the US has not grasped either of those facts. you seem to love facts.. think about that.
Another very good video mate, good script, well narrated by your narrator, and you didn't once mention the propulsion problems as everyone else seems to. They've finally become the best Air Defense Destroyers in the world, now their propulsion and electrical generator cooling systems have been sorted. Apart from that, they're now where there supposed to be. An absolutely beautiful ship design, shame we didn't get all 12 ships as originally planned. Why care that they cost £1.1b each, if you want the Best, it costs money so deal with it people, it's not a Fishing boat is it, it's the best Air Defense Destroyer in the world.
"The best" Pfffffft. Meanwhile, Arleigh Burke class are just chilling with their 96 VLS cells, SM-3, SM-6 and quad-packed ESSM. Not sure if this British ship could withstand a full salvo from an Indian Navy Kolkata class or Visakhapatnam class destroyer, especially with that kind of radar. Why is the radar so nerfed if it is "the best air defence destroyer in the world"? Look, I get it, UK punches above its weight, and that is impressive. But trying to equate that with "the best in the world" is more than just a stretch. Its delusional.
@Warped Sounds Its not got 360 degrees coverage. It has two panels and has to rotate for 360 degrees coverage. That is a compromise that nerfs the SAMSON radar. Its a shame because otherwise, PAAMS is a good Air Defence system. Its just not good now that the radar loses track for a few milliseconds regularly.
@Raider Primus First of, I am Indian. Not Chinese. Seeing as we are the only country actually drawing blood and making the Chinese draw blood in a fight with China, it triggers me to no end when you keep calling me Chinese. . Second of all, mind telling me exactly how my statement is a propaganda? I told you why SAMSON is weak: Its not got 360 degrees coverage and has to rotate which makes it lose coverage for a few milliseconds each rotation. That is sub-optimal. So what part of this statement is propaganda? Do tell.
@@closethedoornow7538 I am saying that the video about the type 45 class released literally after the incident when HMS Defender accidentally caused the Russians to be pissed off just because the defender passed by Crimea which is annexed by Russia and seen as part of Ukraine by the West, so it’s a coincidence when the vid released
Very powerful against attack from the air. However, only 4 of the six ships have anti ship harpoon missiles & these may be removed in a year or two. Against submarines they would be relying on their helicopter to defend the ship. Against other ships they have one 4.5 inch gun and some smaller weapons for dealing with pirates etc. What this seems to mean that in a war situation the Type 45 destroyers would protect the carrier and other ships from air attacks. The other frigates and US ships would protect the Type 45 destroyer from submarines and other naval vessels of the enemy. So off the coast of Crimea the Type 45 is vulnerable to surface vessels and submarines but not vulnerable to air attack. So in this sabre rattling or charade the Russians only threaten with aircraft, & small ships, & no submarines or large destroyers. By doing this it does not escalate the tensions. Both sides know what is going on.
@@skywatcher3133 not really, the whole premise of the type 45 was air defence.... its designed to be part of a carrier group- which would include an attack submarine- more effective than any ship..
That's the thing though. We ain't talking about the Soviet Union anymore. Those days are gone. Russia is a shadow of its former self. Aging military, aging population, tiny economy and isolated. The royal navy has nothing to worry about
@@noodles169 And don't forget that russia has got one of the worst strategic positions in the entire world, every single access to the sea that Russia has can be blocked off and blockaded
In defence of BAE and the MOD, my government was being run by idiots (still are), the original order was for at least 10 vessels. Blair cancelled half the order.
@@V14-x6n ok lets see, the patrol boat that fired warning shots is armed with anti ship missiles, the defender itself was less than 20 km off the coast, a coast riddled with ASMs mind you, there were dozens of other much more heavily armed ships in the vicinity, by the time brits aquired firing solutions it would already get no less than 4 ASM fired at it and thats the best case scenario , and at that distance the only thing brits can do is watch and say oh bollo..
@@V14-x6n you asked for arguments and I provided them, this can all be deduced from information that is publically availabel, for examole you can search up rubin class for the patrol boat and see that it has asm or you can callculate how long it would take for something that can travel mach2+ to cover what looks like 5-10 km. And if you want to nitpick I can ask how do you know that type 45 could take them all on
Would of loved to see those pilots in their old MIGs once that radar lights them up. I wouldnt of thought a couple of clapped out coastal patrol vessels would be any threat to a type 45 destroyer.
@@user-qg8fy6id3t hello! they were in range of the Bastion coastal missiles. Not to mention the largest navy base in Crimea. They have hypersonic missiles etc. How the heck would the Brits defend against that???
@@PS-nv2qp no one anywhere in the world is out of range anymore. There was no mention of rockets and missiles maybe they were just out of order that day like most things Russian 😂
6 August 2021, it was reported, that only One type 45 is currently sea worthy. Apparently 5 of 6 undergoing some type of repair or waiting repairs. The type 45 has been a nightmare of propulsion type problems even when new.
pretty sure that lesson was dealt out by the British they travelled half way around the globe in a period of massive dis-armament and military overhauls and kicked Argentina's butt in it's own back yard.
Really? They attacked the war ships and left the logistic and landing ships alone. Clever! really clever! Back to BA for slaps on the back and medals. Meanwhile some of the world best trained professional war fighters are landing ashore.
@@L3gionMusic Yeah, that's why they changed their course and run away out of Russian borders. And the thing is - will they repeat such incident next time? Cuz Russian defence ministry has warned them, that next time bombs will be thrown not just on path, but on target.
@@boyteebah3794 It's up to Brits and the rest of West. If Brits want WW3, they can try again. In case of their pan will be sunken or burned, the West will think twice - do they need do die for that british clown Boris's idiotism on not. I think, they'll decide to stay alive with peace. And yes. i'm as the citizen of Russia approve burning british pan next time if they repeat it.
Also fun fact you cant break this ships back (hint she's got no spine) , you can punch a hole in it (although good luck trying) These were built with being tough as a main priority.
Plenty of water/oil within every ship the the world, leaks/floods hardly ever come from any part of the hull, 99% of the time a flood is from within and not usually a big deal. More like someone accidentally overfilling a tank or not doing a connection up properly 😂
you: powerful enough to take several russian bombing and get back for repair and refit me: wake up pomies, you will have a chance to become a very expencive reef, your arrogance is bigger than you. Have a nice day, enjoy it before you end up somewhere unalble to control the situation.
What a delusion of grandeur. As if the Russians would go on a bombing run. What do you think this is? Argentina in the 80s. The Russians will blow it out of the water without bothering to leave port. How well will it handle against Zircon. That would be interesting. Home is so far away for the ship. Yet it's only 2 mins as the zircon flies from Russia
@@EmperorLionflame My answer is have more ships like the 12 originally planned, so when 1 breaks down and the others have to undergo the sufficient work so they don't break down we will still have a fully operational surface fleet!! Not rocket science really is it. Oh and how about Arm them correctly in the first place so you wouldn't need to add firepower and taking them of the frontline!!! No matter how you look at this it's an absolute embarrassment.
the trick is Missile capacity, the 45 can track 1000 objects but can only kill 48, would be interested to know what the reload time for the cells was and if the UK has purchased reloads ? I remember the Falklands war and when push came to shove we didn't even have enough ammunition in store for the small arms ( had to send transport planes to the US to get more bullets! )
Funny you should mention that. I was in the army 1978-82. I was stationed in West Berlin during the Falklands war, and ammo for anything other than operational use was severely limited. Even new kit to replace old worn out kit was even more difficult to get than before. I asked the QM why, and he answered everything is being prioritised for the troops involved in the Falklands.
@@robertduklus6555 i didn't say it was, but it is a neighbour of our allies and friends. Also neighbour doesn't only mean right next door, it also means within an area within relative proximity.
@@robertduklus6555 For the last time! The Ukraine is a friend & ally, it is not 3,200km away from the threat Russia presents. They are right there. And 3,200km isn't that far in the scales of nations for Britain to be complacent, especially of nations which consider murder of opponents by chemical & Nuclear poisoning to be justified, which has occurred on our nice and safe 3,200km away shores, not that long ago actually! And which could be launching ballistic missiles ( wether Conventional, Chemical or Nuclear in nature ! ) from that distance which would arrive in only 5 minutes ! Not to mention an air force which without our friends & allies in NATO wouldn't be far behind! So with all due possible respect ( ie none ) why don't you GTFO yourself! 👋
The UK doesn't allow Chinese spies to steal blueprints for our top military assets unlike the Yanks who have been infiltrated and compromised numerous times including the speaker of the house and Eric Swalwell to name just two.
there are Chinese people on board every royal navy ship. (laundry men known as dhobi wallahs). china does not need to hack anything. can you believe how stupid our politicians are?
@@HoLeeChit11 Well since it is still under going trials as of March 26th 2021 i think it's a safe bet there are none in active service since they are still undergoing trials.
@@nationalist5422 How are loitering munitions any different to cruise missiles? In fact, they are easier to shoot down than the targets this ship was designed to defend against.
It all depends. Submarine very powerful and stealthy . Also can die easy from sigle air launched torpedo if know where it is. Certainly will take a submarine over any number of Zumwalt destroyers
@@puellamservumaddominum6180 modern subs are very very quiet so getting attack criteria on a modern sub to drop a torpedo and get a kill is very difficult
To add ASW weapons you’d also need to add a whole suite of dedicated sensors as well. It’s not quite so simple as sticking a couple of torpedo launchers on her, there’s the passive and/or active sonars, their associated systems and crew to operate them, not to mention adding some sort of transport system from the magazine. The Merlin or Wildcat are capable of engaging subs but the Type 23 is a dedicated ASW platform, so in any environment where the ASW threat is substantial then a Type 45 wouldn’t be the asset you use or you’d pair it with a 23 or other NATO ASW asset.
As I pointed out the helicopter has ASW weapons, there’s a difference to them being fitted on the ship with the associated sensor suite. If you want to rely on the fit of a Wildcat to find and engage an SSN then be my guest. Not that I’d know, I’ve only served on ASW frigates hunting Russian SSN’s during the Cold War.
The issue is not how technologically impressive a Type 45 is. It clearly is impressive. The issue is that that close to the Russian littoral, any ship can be overwhelmed by a multitude of attacks from a multitude of different angles. Hopefully that never happens, but it’s also worth mentioning that everyone also knows that this incident allows Russia to collect some serious ELINT on Type 45 capabilities.
It was an exercise to see how the Russians would respond. There was a US spy plane up in the air tracking the Russians response. Also there would have been an astute class sub close by as we know as one popped up in the med days before.
That made up video only shows what's Public knowledge, they literally did a serious filming inside a type 45 (Duncan I believe?) Which shows a lot more than this video, and that's on public TV, probably on iPlayer right now 👍
Type 55 is better ofc. But that's because it was made to be - it's a ship killer. Type 45 was made to be an air-defence ship and it does that really well.
@@JB17521or Basically, the British Royal Navy has planned to make ships for the carrier strike group. On their own these ships are decent (not amazing) but together they are very effective. The Type 45 will act as an air defence ship, the Type 26 Frigate as an anti-submarine warfare ship and Type 31 as a general purpose frigate. These ships (and the astute class submarines) will protect the two Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers.
Only four of the destroyers will receive harpoon missiles but they will be withdrawn from service in 2023. After that those ships will have no dedicated anti-ship capabilities because there is no immediate replacement available. That is absolutely insane. They also don't have anti-submarine capabilities, so no torpedoes or something like ASROC. Only the heli can engage submarines. They are also lacking serious land-attack capabilities except for that little gun. Furthermore they can only carry 48 missiles in those vls cells since they can't quadpack them like ESSM missiles on american destroyers. 48 missiles isn't much. One or two saturation attacks and these ships will be out of ammo. Comparing all this with american or japanese destroyers raises the question what the actual fck were the people in charge of this program thinking when they decided to aquire those half-assed ships. It should be a no-brainer to have them equipped with all types of weapons like their american counterparts for example.
Perfectly stated. IMO the UK should have just bit the bullet and bought Arleigh bruke class destroyers, that are mostly stripped(if they wanted, and would help the price differential) , this way the UK could add Sampson and whatever other radars and control centers they wanted(while still creating UK jobs) and keeping the US VLS, but then mixing and matching as now the UK would also have AEGIS and could use the SM3 and ESSM, etc from the US VLS. You would then have a tested design, keeping R&D prices down, making how much the AB class cost negligible.
Wrong you do not understand the type 45 radar and sensor system and the missles its carries. They are one shot high kill. The type T45 can fire 32 missiles and control them at the same time to their targets. No other ship in the world can do that. The US burke has 96 missiles and US doctrine says fire 2 per target, also their radar is not up to scratch so part of the targetting is done manually. This means it cannot fire most of missles at the same time, bascially it has to limit missles fires to below 20 per salvo, that is a big thing in the age of 4 mach missles coming at you. So you have limited radar targeting capability and firing two missles per target, which nulifies the missle advantage of the burke. Effectiviely the Bruke class has problems dealing with saturation attack of 20 more missiles. Better to have one shot per kill and before you say it, the Type 45 could and should have more missles it just means more targets to lock on and destroy. No other ship can do that or could in future except a modified burke.
@@TechnoCaveman1 yes, Merlin helicopters are designed for Anti-Submarine Warfare. However, generally it is the Type 23 frigates that accompany these destroyers that will handle ASW.
its not 1805 Trafalgar, any pommy ship in the Black Sea can be vaporized without any Russian ship leaving the port. Its called anti ship missiles launched from the coast or the air. Now enjoy your beans for brekky and dont forget to keep up with oral hygine.......
@@RR-us2kp well lets say its shooting down a fighter jet it needs a warhead of a certain size but what if its attacked by small drones, its a waste of a big warhead, it would be nice if that one missile could split into 4 including the warhead and each independently seek the target.
Remember the russians ,learned from the the uk and the netherlands how to build ships ,and they used the intelligence and know how of the dutch to lift the submarine Kursk ! Never forget many saylors in ww2 ,on the cold run to deliver equipmnent to Murmansk ,many saulors lost there life this is never Given much attention ,look at a large memorial in Rotterdam for the diseased saylors .
They are getting upgrades I think. and multi purpose frigates that will also do a destroyers job is currently underway. No mater what I still think these type 45 will be in excellent use for a good few years yet and I hope if anything can be handed to a commonwealth countries when we have superior Whilst still looking after our family we shouldn't help defend beter and with that with beter equipment come beter defence .its our duty to defend the rule of law .
@@liran547 Yeah, right. Im sure after a big lung full of crack that all made sense, however, to us that don't partake in this passtime it's just pure and utter nonsense.
@@Pdh24 It looks like the navy is assessing the options for an anti-ballistic missile capability, so they might finally get the 16 full length cells they were designed with.
48 missiles isn't enough for true fleet defense. Literally twice as many cells on US Burkes. AND, those Burkes will have 10ish of those cells filled with ESSM (50Km range) that are quad packed so 40 missiles in 10 cells.
NO GRENADE LAUNCHERS , IT MIGHT TAKE OUT AIR MISSILES BUT WHAT ABOUT TORPEDOES , BOMBS,ANTI SUBMARINES WEAPONS AND SEA MINES ? . IT CAN BECOME A EASY TARGET FOR THEM .
torpedos are considered pretty primitive weapons nowadays, they travel significantly slower than missiles due to the water resistance, and with the radar capabilities on these ships nothing submerged can really get close enough to hit them.
I love when these videos go on and on about how powerful a weapons system is. Using the manufactures info. Yet totally unproven. Better to see how they stack up in battle. Type 42 was praised as high tech in the early eighties, aluminum superstructures and sea dart. Argentinians helped correct the manufactures data on those weapons systems and technologies. Truth is no idea how well it will work in a full scale battle, tell it happens, problem is there is so much hype tactics grow around the hype. That becomes a recipe for disaster. Just watch a video of KSA's Patriot Pac 3 trying to stop a old seventies Houthi missile! The Patriot Pac 3 takes out the 7-11 and a few residential buildings, fails to hit anything.Yet it can track 1000 targets small as a humming bird able to intercept missiles at mach 3 blhaaa blhaa blhaa.
The US gave the British zero chance to take back the Falkland's, due to being faced by a large navy, a land based air force and having no AWACS. not to mention the distance from home. look how that turned out.... sea dart actually performed better than it did on paper. even hitting a 4.5 inch navel shell in flight. and it got the first intercept of an anti ship missile ever in actual combat. yes the type 42 got lengthened due to hull cracking. but they did spend months in the worst seas on the planet.. the southern ocean in autumn/winter. All in all the campaign left the American navy a bit bemused. we chased the argentine navy into port, gutted their air force. and trounced their conscript army. with a single large taskforce.
No idea what point you are trying to make. Of course nothing is proven until it's proven in actual warfare so what is your alternative? Are you suggesting that countries should go to war to test their newest weapons? You're not making sense.
@@Mk1Male The OP used sea dart to try to prove that weapons are not as good as their sale sheet. ironically sea dart performed better than its sales sheet at both low targets and at high targets at range. in an actual war. i was agreeing with him that "on paper" and "in real war" are two different things. hence the US thinking we could not win the war on paper. but both are examples of overperforming, not underperforming. which is the exact opposite of the point he was trying to make.
@@Mk1Male No I am suggesting that when one reviews a weapon and makes a video about said weapon claiming to be a military channel presenting themselves as an authority on the subject they should do more then read the manufactures sales pitch. To each his own and all that, they can make what they want and I can comment on it. This is where we are. Now to me I am not sure if it makes sense but thats how its set up.
I'm not watching this video because the secrets of this ship was found on a bus stop. Everyone already knows. If you don't watch the tv show, Google she and the page's. On a bus stop
With all due respect, the type 45 destroyer is nowhere near the air defense destroyer of Arleigh Burke. It's definitely the best air defense destroyer Great Britain has ever developed but the 48 tube sea viper launcher limit to Astre 15 and Astre 30 missiles can't begin to compare to 96 tubes of the Mark 41 launcher firing evolved sea Sparrow missiles, sm2MRs, sm2ER's sm6 and the ballistic missile interceptors sm3.....
Have any of the Arleigh Burk class ever been asked to switch off its radar during NATO exercises because its capabilities were 'constraining the exercise' ? they are different ships with different capabilities
Hoping for a EMP attack to test their system ,,,, but , the Bear keep it for the day when the Gloves come of ,,,,, remember the American ship drifting around and sailors resigning hahaha
It will also get a radar upgrade and C3 upgrade. It will have a ASTER 39 upgrade to the block 1 standard. Tge new misike is ABM capable. Sea Ceptor san also target surface targets.
Good for the UK, albeit they should have just bought and integrated some of their technology they like into the Arleigh burke class. But I do understand price is a big factor.
@ENGLISH KNIGHT Please troll someone else. The AB class is better it's not even arguable. The AB class has ballistic missile defense in both terminal and midcourse phase. It has better anti-ship capability, it has better anti-air capability, it has more about 3 x ESSMs alone then the entire type 45 VLS. "Basically the samspson long range radar can see the furthest in the world" Keep smoking the good stuff man. The longest range radar in the world to my knowledge is THAAD with an almost 5000km range. "The AN/TPY-2 Surveillance Transportable Radar, also called the Forward Based X-Band Transportable (FBX-T) is a long-range, very high-altitude active digital antenna array X band surveillance radar designed to add a tier to existing missile and air defence systems. It has a range of 2,900 mi (2,500 nmi; 4,700 km)." The an/spy-1 from the 70's has a 310km range where as the Samson has a 400km range... The modern An/Spy-6 range is classified, but we know it's 35x more powerful: "the transmit-receive modules will use new gallium nitride semiconductor technology. This will allow for higher power density than the previous gallium arsenide radar modules.The new radar will require twice the electrical power as the previous generation while generating over 35 times as much radar power." The fact you think a ship that can intercept ICMBs in their midcourse phase has a shorter range radars then the Sampson is laughable, but hell you thought it was the strongest radar in the world. LOL.
@@ThatCarGuy Merciless but true. Type 45 is good but lacks fire power. Fuelled a lot of AB destroyers over the years mostly in middle east and they really are built for battle. Usually get cookies sent over at the end of a RAS too which are greatly appreciated by the deck team, something our own type 45s never bother to do. And, the Americans can carry out a RAS without constantly screaming at each other unlike the RN.
No matter how powerful the Type 45 Destroyer is, it matters how many potential corpses are on board. And the decibels of howling Britain and its flock after this epic burial alive. From Russia with Death.
poor brits clapping, dreaming of the glory years past while at home their government puts a chokehold on their freedom to do anything except enjoy the rain.
HMS Sheffield sank more due to crew failings than equipment failings. Primary failure was that the IO aboard Sheffield thought they were out of range of the Super Etendards, not realizing they could refuel air to air, so the ship was at a more relaxed state than it should have been. The main radar was switched blanked out at the time due to other ship to ship communications.
@@paulevans7742 the issue was that SCOT (sat comms) was being used which in affect deafened the ships EW kit and therefore did not detect the attacking aircrafts radar furthermore, the Argentinian pilots pecked the lobes of the 965 LRAW radar to get as close as possible before releasing the weapon. Nothing to do with the ships company's failings.
Going to be Carrying NSM's which are incredibly stealthy. Payload is small, but if a ship is hit, its going to damage the response. The NSM could be within 10nm and a Russian ship would not detect it. Chinese could probably detect it within 15nm
@@JSB103 the type 45 which the video was based on has very limited anti submarine warfare role it's a dedicated anti aircraft vessel. The type 23 is the dedicated anti submarine vessel and carries torpedoes
I agree. If it came up against the Moskva Class of ships it would get annihilated. The British Royal Navy have no business poking its nose in Russian territory- and I’m British. Make no mistake, I love my country. Sadly, the UK is run by a gang of absolute cunts (who all need shooting) and should not be nosing around in the Black Sea.
One compares destroyer with NATO frigate that vent aground and then allegedly being destroyed not to fall prey to unfriendly ayes, in the case and analogy, much is to desire in a sense, that the vessel is allegedly build to keep the peace.
A £500 million upgrade to the type 45 has been announced. The plans are to facilitate the introduction of CAMM , a new 24 CAMM silos will be added in front of the present 48 Astra 30 silos. Increasing the missile capacity by 50% and result in a capacity of 72 anti-air missiles per destroyer.
Holy crap nice. Unpar with the USN Ardleigh Burke destroyer
Was needed
Sm-3 Sm-6 are only good against non Manor able large targets I.e cruise missiles. They aren’t good against Manoeuvrable fast fighters
The upgrade is two-fold.
First, you're getting 72 VLS tubes.
Second, all of the 48 Sylver cells contain the long range Aster-30 instead of a 30/15 mix.
The 24 CAMM missiles do the job of the Aster-15 so now there's only Aster-30s.
And because the Aster's terminal dart guidance is so good you only need to launch a single Aster to guarantee a kill.
One Aster One Kill
SM-2 and AEGIS requires salvo fire, 2 missiles to guarantee a hit, effectively halving the number of shots you have.
And magazine depth is _life_ in this game.
@Drew Peacock
What's CAMM good for?
Killing anything and everything that is
Should of built the initial 12, along with 18 Frigates (fully equipped versions) and had 10 of the Astute class SSN's. Coupled with the two carriers that would enable a fully equipped strike carrier group and potentially two at 3/6 months notice.
Given the length of time to create modern ships we should be having a larger force so in the event of conflict any losses are not immediately crippling to our defence capabilities.
Couldn't agree more, it would also have brought down the unit costs.
They have reduced naval staff to operate the ships
@@uzoma112 When you mistreat your armed forces, send them into wars that you don't let them actually fight in to their fullest, then cut your armed forces to the bone it puts off many from signing up.
Need a much larger body of personnel, having units not be out at sea for a year at a time may help. More flexible rotations with larger staff would migitate this.
Many these days are obsessed with their phones, becoming a celeb or footballer of sorts.
Which is distracting from a aged perspective.
Soon as they make full time military personnel not be locked into their role absolutely per say the better I think.
I fully agree with you. I've long been writing to my MP and the Daily Telegraph about just this (since 2005). Even a major expansion of the Type 31 program would give us hulls we can afford to lose, and in more places, and we could upgrade them too.
@Raider Primus Failed ships? How? How do you know - they aren't even built yet! The Type 31s are meant to put a ship where we need a presence but not something of great expense or firepower - escorting oil tankers against piracy, for one example. A Type 31 is just enough for that job. The Type 26s are meant for the heavier tasks.
Sounds like a kick ass destroyer … good work UK 🇬🇧!!
You wouldn't find out exactly how powerful it was until you attacked it.
Imagine being a Somali pirate and coming up against that
@@xXRobbie98Xx the pirates would win, only one of the six type 45 built is seaworthy due to rubbish turbines.
@@georgebarnes8163 Old news!
@@simonbird1973 What is?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dont forget the Royal Navy also have a BBC Reporter as a primary part of their ship's Electronic warfare and decoy's
Just right after Crimea 👍
@Un Know "Flew from Crimea after Russian ship started firing"
Not really, just stayed its course as they fired warning shots, zero shits given.
Russian fleet is stronger.
@@samahmadoke8704 in 1v1 yes, mass>class but theres a thing called NATO..
@@samahmadoke8704 lol
@@PitchBlackTales Russia could have easily sink it so...
This is one of the ships Russia pretended to have chased off, it would decimate those old rust buckets they call warships.
Are you a 19th century time traveler or just ignorant? Warships have been obsolete for almost a hundred years. Nowadays they sink faster than their captain can shout: "Hypersonic missile saturation attack!!!!!"
@Raider Primus There hasn't been a war with any power that has hypersonic missile so all those ships and their crews are safe for now (thank God). But China and Russia are building them like their life depends on it (and it does). From the commentators like you I hear its just propaganda... those weapons are useless. I think the real propaganda is trying to hide that the West has lost the edge over China and Russia and that in a conventional war US and allies are unable to win.
I think he may be referring to the the obsolete cruisers and just about every capital ship including the Admiral Krunchie carrier ! But as as primarily air defence vessel the D type ,due to lack of Russian expenditure on updating radar , avionics and digital systems on all its aircraft now well over 20 years old with complete lack of integration between systems bar 1 ( the pretty one with the nice 2 tone grey paint job- I really can't stand overdoing the technical crap) operational stealthy woosh thingy , this makes pretty much all of the Russian flying stuff obsolete ! Get it chaps - tracks 2000 targets about 10 times more than piloted serviceable Russian aircraft that won't even get closer enough to break wind in the approximate direction of this beast , can launch and re launch 48 missiles repeatedly at anything faster than a Pizzahut delivery moped near Uranus ! And shoot the shit out of everything else .
You can perhaps now see why the Russian skipper screamed " Do not , I repeat DO NOT HIT THE DEFENDER " , as that would have been the Crimea problem over and done with . Seriously though no one wants any sort of war , just a peaceful life for all and freedom of the worlds navigable sea lanes , otherwise WE WILL DESTROY YOU !!....... Damn Blair , fucking commie if it was for that damn convicted sex offender and all round nasty war criminal we would have lots more , but those theiving commies are all the same , and Blair should be dangling from whatever is Defenders equivalent of a yard arm !
@@georgerobartes2008 I agree that Russian navy is far more obsolete than US navy but we are really talking about paradigm change with hypersonic weapons,. I t really doesn't matter if someone's spear is longer and sharper if the other side uses firearms. This was a problem throughout history causing fall of empires because they were not willing to adapt and refuse to let go of what had served them in the past.
Sorry, I misspelled a lot in my previous post after a beer too many so you may have misunderstood . What I meant is that the nature of warfare has changed. The nature of the world has changed. And the US has not grasped either of those facts. you seem to love facts.. think about that.
Another very good video mate, good script, well narrated by your narrator, and you didn't once mention the propulsion problems as everyone else seems to.
They've finally become the best Air Defense Destroyers in the world, now their propulsion and electrical generator cooling systems have been sorted. Apart from that, they're now where there supposed to be.
An absolutely beautiful ship design, shame we didn't get all 12 ships as originally planned.
Why care that they cost £1.1b each, if you want the Best, it costs money so deal with it people, it's not a Fishing boat is it, it's the best Air Defense Destroyer in the world.
@Raider Primus What are you trying to say?
"The best" Pfffffft. Meanwhile, Arleigh Burke class are just chilling with their 96 VLS cells, SM-3, SM-6 and quad-packed ESSM. Not sure if this British ship could withstand a full salvo from an Indian Navy Kolkata class or Visakhapatnam class destroyer, especially with that kind of radar. Why is the radar so nerfed if it is "the best air defence destroyer in the world"? Look, I get it, UK punches above its weight, and that is impressive. But trying to equate that with "the best in the world" is more than just a stretch. Its delusional.
@Raider Primus Please stop talking, your grammar is so bad.
@Warped Sounds Its not got 360 degrees coverage. It has two panels and has to rotate for 360 degrees coverage. That is a compromise that nerfs the SAMSON radar. Its a shame because otherwise, PAAMS is a good Air Defence system. Its just not good now that the radar loses track for a few milliseconds regularly.
@Raider Primus First of, I am Indian. Not Chinese. Seeing as we are the only country actually drawing blood and making the Chinese draw blood in a fight with China, it triggers me to no end when you keep calling me Chinese.
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Second of all, mind telling me exactly how my statement is a propaganda? I told you why SAMSON is weak: Its not got 360 degrees coverage and has to rotate which makes it lose coverage for a few milliseconds each rotation. That is sub-optimal. So what part of this statement is propaganda? Do tell.
What a coincidence this released literally right after the whole incident with the HMS defender off of Crimea
What’s your point?
@@closethedoornow7538 I am saying that the video about the type 45 class released literally after the incident when HMS Defender accidentally caused the Russians to be pissed off just because the defender passed by Crimea which is annexed by Russia and seen as part of Ukraine by the West, so it’s a coincidence when the vid released
@@moalzaben5554 Is it a coincidence or is it just smart management of a TH-cam channel? Things in the news cycle get more hits after all.
@Raider Primus ok u do have a point
@Raider Primus mate when I mean by your point, I am saying that your explanation is clear.
Very powerful against attack from the air. However, only 4 of the six ships have anti ship harpoon missiles & these may be removed in a year or two. Against submarines they would be relying on their helicopter to defend the ship. Against other ships they have one 4.5 inch gun and some smaller weapons for dealing with pirates etc. What this seems to mean that in a war situation the Type 45 destroyers would protect the carrier and other ships from air attacks. The other frigates and US ships would protect the Type 45 destroyer from submarines and other naval vessels of the enemy. So off the coast of Crimea the Type 45 is vulnerable to surface vessels and submarines but not vulnerable to air attack. So in this sabre rattling or charade the Russians only threaten with aircraft, & small ships, & no submarines or large destroyers. By doing this it does not escalate the tensions. Both sides know what is going on.
Correct, one torpedo and it is game over .And it's madness to remove the Harpoons.
@@skywatcher3133 not really, the whole premise of the type 45 was air defence.... its designed to be part of a carrier group- which would include an attack submarine- more effective than any ship..
@@skywatcher3133 in an actual war you wont see a lonely type 45 on its own, it will be with a carrier etc
We do have ASTUTE Hunter killers. ..which kill other subs .
Idiot. It has ONE job: AIR DEFENCE.
britain poked a bear using a powerful stick
i say - fuck the bear :D
That's the thing though. We ain't talking about the Soviet Union anymore. Those days are gone. Russia is a shadow of its former self. Aging military, aging population, tiny economy and isolated. The royal navy has nothing to worry about
britainica rule the waves
@@noodles169 And don't forget that russia has got one of the worst strategic positions in the entire world, every single access to the sea that Russia has can be blocked off and blockaded
More like a sledgehammer 💪🏽
In defence of BAE and the MOD, my government was being run by idiots (still are), the original order was for at least 10 vessels. Blair cancelled half the order.
Son eso y más.
Blair was a twat
@@milespostlethwaite1154 He STILL is!
His a war creminal,needs to be at the hague.
Every government cancels orders. The tories cost millions for a contract breach regarding f35. One government wants it the next doesn't.
Type 45 Defender could easily take out all twenty russian aircraft and whatever they could have launched at it.
Keep telling yourself bullshit and hope for best
Malik Ben Any arguments why not? No? I didn’t think so. Hahaha. Another idiotic Putin-lover.
@@V14-x6n ok lets see, the patrol boat that fired warning shots is armed with anti ship missiles, the defender itself was less than 20 km off the coast, a coast riddled with ASMs mind you, there were dozens of other much more heavily armed ships in the vicinity, by the time brits aquired firing solutions it would already get no less than 4 ASM fired at it and thats the best case scenario , and at that distance the only thing brits can do is watch and say oh bollo..
Overlord Another expert. Lol
@@V14-x6n you asked for arguments and I provided them, this can all be deduced from information that is publically availabel, for examole you can search up rubin class for the patrol boat and see that it has asm or you can callculate how long it would take for something that can travel mach2+ to cover what looks like 5-10 km. And if you want to nitpick I can ask how do you know that type 45 could take them all on
That ship always kick my ass in modern warships
True hahaha 🤣 even I have INS Chennai wuth Good Anti Air, HMS Duncan break my Defense haha
And Also That ship is Fast althouh HMS duncan is weak in Close Combat, His Firepower, Range, and Speed will dominate the Tier 2 Warships.
Would of loved to see those pilots in their old MIGs once that radar lights them up. I wouldnt of thought a couple of clapped out coastal patrol vessels would be any threat to a type 45 destroyer.
You reckon? What about their hypersonic missiles and hypersonic coastal batteries???
@@PS-nv2qp didnt use anything but their old MIGs. You will having us in a world war next 😂😂😂
@@user-qg8fy6id3t hello! they were in range of the Bastion coastal missiles. Not to mention the largest navy base in Crimea. They have hypersonic missiles etc. How the heck would the Brits defend against that???
@@PS-nv2qp no one anywhere in the world is out of range anymore. There was no mention of rockets and missiles maybe they were just out of order that day like most things Russian 😂
@@user-qg8fy6id3t Talking of out of order how many T45s are fully operational right now!?
Floating embarrassments....
6 August 2021, it was reported, that only One type 45 is currently sea worthy. Apparently 5 of 6 undergoing some type of repair or waiting repairs. The type 45 has been a nightmare of propulsion type problems even when new.
That’s not quite correct, HMS Dragon is also sea worthy and is just undergoing light maintenance alongside in Portsmouth.
The argentinians taught the royal navy hard lessons. This must be the result.
How did that war turn out again?
Lol
pretty sure that lesson was dealt out by the British they travelled half way around the globe in a period of massive dis-armament and military overhauls and kicked Argentina's butt in it's own back yard.
Really? They attacked the war ships and left the logistic and landing ships alone. Clever! really clever! Back to BA for slaps on the back and medals. Meanwhile some of the world best trained professional war fighters are landing ashore.
This is the reason why russia made a warning shot only it look like a gun salute to the destroyer 😅
ask the sailors on that destroyer if they had felt the salute
@@unglaubichuberlieber8048 They probably didn't even know it happened the shots were that insignificant.
@@L3gionMusic Yeah, that's why they changed their course and run away out of Russian borders. And the thing is - will they repeat such incident next time? Cuz Russian defence ministry has warned them, that next time bombs will be thrown not just on path, but on target.
@@Вася-ш3щ i hope they do… looking forward to WW3
@@boyteebah3794 It's up to Brits and the rest of West. If Brits want WW3, they can try again. In case of their pan will be sunken or burned, the West will think twice - do they need do die for that british clown Boris's idiotism on not. I think, they'll decide to stay alive with peace.
And yes. i'm as the citizen of Russia approve burning british pan next time if they repeat it.
"Just How helpful is Type 45 Destroyer." --- That how this video should be named!
Defends the aircraft carriers by supplying anti missile support capabilities that the carrier does not have
@@grahamlongley8298
I'm russian. Hi! _))))
Also fun fact you cant break this ships back (hint she's got no spine) , you can punch a hole in it (although good luck trying) These were built with being tough as a main priority.
Plenty of water/oil within every ship the the world, leaks/floods hardly ever come from any part of the hull, 99% of the time a flood is from within and not usually a big deal. More like someone accidentally overfilling a tank or not doing a connection up properly 😂
@@scotwilson4169 You know to much about what happens in the Bilge..... Haha lol.
Military TV : how powerfull UKs type 45 destroyer
Me : powerful enough to take several russian bombing and get back for repair and refit
Back in time for tea and crumpets.
you: powerful enough to take several russian bombing and get back for repair and refit
me: wake up pomies, you will have a chance to become a very expencive reef, your arrogance is bigger than you. Have a nice day, enjoy it before you end up somewhere unalble to control the situation.
@@defrag1 Same to any country.
What a delusion of grandeur. As if the Russians would go on a bombing run. What do you think this is? Argentina in the 80s. The Russians will blow it out of the water without bothering to leave port. How well will it handle against Zircon. That would be interesting.
Home is so far away for the ship. Yet it's only 2 mins as the zircon flies from Russia
@@defrag1 Why,? Will Vlad send one of his tugs out?
Never, in recent times, has there been a more impressive looking warship than the Type 81 Tribal class frigate.
1960's vintage - not as impresssive as the 1950's vintage T47 and T53 Surcouf classes of french destroyers. Great looking ships.
@@alanjack7524 Disagree.
5 out of 6 not even combat ready!
Absolute embarrassment
They have to first repair them and upgrade them but they will be great in time.
@@peternicho They're unreliable, under-armed and we don't have enough.
Should have bought Aegis Destroyers off the yanks....
@@EmperorLionflame My answer is have more ships like the 12 originally planned, so when 1 breaks down and the others have to undergo the sufficient work so they don't break down we will still have a fully operational surface fleet!! Not rocket science really is it. Oh and how about Arm them correctly in the first place so you wouldn't need to add firepower and taking them of the frontline!!!
No matter how you look at this it's an absolute embarrassment.
Rule Britannia from Glasgow 😎 🇬🇧
the trick is Missile capacity, the 45 can track 1000 objects but can only kill 48, would be interested to know what the reload time for the cells was and if the UK has purchased reloads ? I remember the Falklands war and when push came to shove we didn't even have enough ammunition in store for the small arms ( had to send transport planes to the US to get more bullets! )
Funny you should mention that. I was in the army 1978-82. I was stationed in West Berlin during the Falklands war, and ammo for anything other than operational use was severely limited. Even new kit to replace old worn out kit was even more difficult to get than before. I asked the QM why, and he answered everything is being prioritised for the troops involved in the Falklands.
Im pretty sure a ship carrying them was sunk.
@@jaredgarbo3679 Yup, the Atlantic Conveyor. The Denims I wanted to replace my worn out ones ended up at the bottom of the South Atlantic!
@@limedickandrew6016 Thank you for sharing, that's a very interesting story.
@Raider Primus dragon fire isn’t in service.
Pity you didn’t mention the propulsion system had to be replaced because it kept breaking down!!!
Kinzhal is the solution.
Russia not being a "bad neighbour" is the solution! 👍
@@Markus117drussia is not neighbour of the uk last time looked at the map
@@robertduklus6555 i didn't say it was, but it is a neighbour of our allies and friends. Also neighbour doesn't only mean right next door, it also means within an area within relative proximity.
@@Markus117d who knew 3200 km is considered relative proximity. GTFO.
@@robertduklus6555 For the last time! The Ukraine is a friend & ally, it is not 3,200km away from the threat Russia presents. They are right there. And 3,200km isn't that far in the scales of nations for Britain to be complacent, especially of nations which consider murder of opponents by chemical & Nuclear poisoning to be justified, which has occurred on our nice and safe 3,200km away shores, not that long ago actually! And which could be launching ballistic missiles ( wether Conventional, Chemical or Nuclear in nature ! ) from that distance which would arrive in only 5 minutes ! Not to mention an air force which without our friends & allies in NATO wouldn't be far behind! So with all due possible respect ( ie none ) why don't you GTFO yourself! 👋
China called they say they are going to hack the blueprints and make their own version, they said thanks for doing all the research for them.
The UK doesn't allow Chinese spies to steal blueprints for our top military assets unlike the Yanks who have been infiltrated and compromised numerous times including the speaker of the house and Eric Swalwell to name just two.
there are Chinese people on board every royal navy ship. (laundry men known as dhobi wallahs). china does not need to hack anything. can you believe how stupid our politicians are?
@@toshe.6690 yes, easily.
One of these destroyers would cause absolute havoc on the Russian airforce and navy, before it got sunk. Russia would lose out no matter what
Ever heard of loitering munitions? Look up Armenian war.
Ever heard of Zircon?
@@HoLeeChit11 Well since it is still under going trials as of March 26th 2021 i think it's a safe bet there are none in active service since they are still undergoing trials.
@@nationalist5422 How are loitering munitions any different to cruise missiles? In fact, they are easier to shoot down than the targets this ship was designed to defend against.
@@Dazzxp You conduct a trial after any maintenance period or work on the engines....? Surely you didn't actually mean that...
Britannia rule the waves! Again!
Lucky for russia they decided not to start anything, this is the wrong ship to try and prove a point against..
not against mach 3 missiles, they can't be scanned by radar
@@fuke1345 and what is your source for that obviously false claim?
That's some fine French technology there. A great European design.
Shows what you can do with top technology of a whole continent behind you.
@Raider Primus You have missed the point, but Krackerman and I get it.
Boris is right that wasn't a warning shot, that was a gun salute.
Great destroyer by our beloved British ally. 🇺🇸🤝🇬🇧
Great video but you didn’t answer the question
These videos are well produced, but obviously they're approved by Pentagon, so they're not going to respond anything resembling intelligence.
Rusky Coast Guard hoping harsh words might scare off a type 45 Destroyer. Good Luck with that.
If "get away from my territory" is harsh word for u, that means you're idiot
I'm frigging afraid of destroyers... :(
But I suppose all the surface ships are afraid of a single nuclear submarine.
nope
It all depends. Submarine very powerful and stealthy .
Also can die easy from sigle air launched torpedo if know where it is.
Certainly will take a submarine over any number of Zumwalt destroyers
@@puellamservumaddominum6180 modern subs are very very quiet so getting attack criteria on a modern sub to drop a torpedo and get a kill is very difficult
Uk has stealth submarines does Russia no
@@michaeljohnson4258 submarines especially boomers are tracked and followed as soon as leave port
Interesting if not a timely review of sea power in the news! Good show. Cheers!!
Need to add anti-submarine weapins
That’s what frigates are for
To add ASW weapons you’d also need to add a whole suite of dedicated sensors as well. It’s not quite so simple as sticking a couple of torpedo launchers on her, there’s the passive and/or active sonars, their associated systems and crew to operate them, not to mention adding some sort of transport system from the magazine.
The Merlin or Wildcat are capable of engaging subs but the Type 23 is a dedicated ASW platform, so in any environment where the ASW threat is substantial then a Type 45 wouldn’t be the asset you use or you’d pair it with a 23 or other NATO ASW asset.
it has anti sub weapons,do your homework
As I pointed out the helicopter has ASW weapons, there’s a difference to them being fitted on the ship with the associated sensor suite.
If you want to rely on the fit of a Wildcat to find and engage an SSN then be my guest.
Not that I’d know, I’ve only served on ASW frigates hunting Russian SSN’s during the Cold War.
The anti-submarine weapon is not at all being designed for anti-submarine warfare.... And deafening the subs searching for it 😂
The issue is not how technologically impressive a Type 45 is. It clearly is impressive. The issue is that that close to the Russian littoral, any ship can be overwhelmed by a multitude of attacks from a multitude of different angles. Hopefully that never happens, but it’s also worth mentioning that everyone also knows that this incident allows Russia to collect some serious ELINT on Type 45 capabilities.
It was an exercise to see how the Russians would respond. There was a US spy plane up in the air tracking the Russians response. Also there would have been an astute class sub close by as we know as one popped up in the med days before.
That made up video only shows what's Public knowledge, they literally did a serious filming inside a type 45 (Duncan I believe?) Which shows a lot more than this video, and that's on public TV, probably on iPlayer right now 👍
Type 45 can track 1000's targets at once. Very hard to overwhelm this, especially due to Russian missiles, be terrible at stealth
you know the Russian pilots would have pissed their pants if there fighters were “painted“ by that ships radar
same to british pilots on russian warships
Six type 45's built, only one operational.
But there’s only one currently available. The other five are sick. Again!
Great ship
Which one better between type 45 and type 55 (PLA), both destroyer ?
Are you joking? 😂😂
Type 55 is better ofc. But that's because it was made to be - it's a ship killer. Type 45 was made to be an air-defence ship and it does that really well.
@@ali_kazmi T45 is designed for AA operations in a Carrier strike group, right?
@@JB17521or Basically, the British Royal Navy has planned to make ships for the carrier strike group. On their own these ships are decent (not amazing) but together they are very effective. The Type 45 will act as an air defence ship, the Type 26 Frigate as an anti-submarine warfare ship and Type 31 as a general purpose frigate. These ships (and the astute class submarines) will protect the two Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers.
@Raider Primus *heavy cruiser to a battleship*
Very handsome battleship
DAMN THAT THING IS FORMIDABLE! GOOOO UK!
Would really like to see a Type 45 comparison to the Arleigh Burke class
Why would we do that? The Type 45 is air defence whereas the Arleigh Burke is a guided missile destroyer. They have different roles.
Only four of the destroyers will receive harpoon missiles but they will be withdrawn from service in 2023. After that those ships will have no dedicated anti-ship capabilities because there is no immediate replacement available. That is absolutely insane. They also don't have anti-submarine capabilities, so no torpedoes or something like ASROC. Only the heli can engage submarines. They are also lacking serious land-attack capabilities except for that little gun. Furthermore they can only carry 48 missiles in those vls cells since they can't quadpack them like ESSM missiles on american destroyers. 48 missiles isn't much. One or two saturation attacks and these ships will be out of ammo. Comparing all this with american or japanese destroyers raises the question what the actual fck were the people in charge of this program thinking when they decided to aquire those half-assed ships. It should be a no-brainer to have them equipped with all types of weapons like their american counterparts for example.
Good analysis my friend, I actually laughed when u said " Wht the FCk were the people in charge doing w/ this etc...
I agree it's potential is huge and it has hugely advanced technology but it's not used correctly the UK has no bollocks anymore
Perfectly stated. IMO the UK should have just bit the bullet and bought Arleigh bruke class destroyers, that are mostly stripped(if they wanted, and would help the price differential) , this way the UK could add Sampson and whatever other radars and control centers they wanted(while still creating UK jobs) and keeping the US VLS, but then mixing and matching as now the UK would also have AEGIS and could use the SM3 and ESSM, etc from the US VLS. You would then have a tested design, keeping R&D prices down, making how much the AB class cost negligible.
@@ThatCarGuy yeah hopefully they learn from the mistake
@ENGLISH KNIGHT what ship and what fleet
The very procurement process that the MOD created, is causing the very cost overruns, that the government criticized. Lol
Total armament: 48 anti-air missiles
So all I need is 49 cheap loitering munitions to destroy the radar. Got it.
+ 2x Phalanx CIWS
That’s like all the nerds who talk about 1V1 battleship fights. Never happens. Ships are units in a task group.
Wrong you do not understand the type 45 radar and sensor system and the missles its carries. They are one shot high kill. The type T45 can fire 32 missiles and control them at the same time to their targets. No other ship in the world can do that. The US burke has 96 missiles and US doctrine says fire 2 per target, also their radar is not up to scratch so part of the targetting is done manually. This means it cannot fire most of missles at the same time, bascially it has to limit missles fires to below 20 per salvo, that is a big thing in the age of 4 mach missles coming at you. So you have limited radar targeting capability and firing two missles per target, which nulifies the missle advantage of the burke. Effectiviely the Bruke class has problems dealing with saturation attack of 20 more missiles. Better to have one shot per kill and before you say it, the Type 45 could and should have more missles it just means more targets to lock on and destroy. No other ship can do that or could in future except a modified burke.
What’s is your opinion about the Fremm program?Thanks .
Type 45 destroyer's worst nightmare :
Russian coast guard ship
Not a single anti submarine weapon for a ship of this size
I thought that was odd, myself. Could the helicopters provide some sort of submarine defence?
@@TechnoCaveman1 yes, Merlin helicopters are designed for Anti-Submarine Warfare. However, generally it is the Type 23 frigates that accompany these destroyers that will handle ASW.
HMS Defender has the capability to destroy the whole Russian Black Sea fleet
There are only four sets of Harpoon for the entire T45s. A T45 will only have 4 Harpoon missiles.
@@alexanderfoster3628 Russian Black Sea fleet has only two gun boat currently at Sevastopol, I doubt you even need harpoon.
Russia🔥🧨🇷🇺 satan avangard powerful weaphon👍👍🔥🇷🇺🔥👍🇷🇺
its not 1805 Trafalgar, any pommy ship in the Black Sea can be vaporized without any Russian ship leaving the port. Its called anti ship missiles launched from the coast or the air. Now enjoy your beans for brekky and dont forget to keep up with oral hygine.......
@@robertduklus6555 Kinzhal,belgorod👍👍👍
It would be good if each missile could launch and then split into 2 or 4 smaller missiles when needed such as during a saturation attack.
Or it can simply shoot multiple missiles.
@@RR-us2kp well lets say its shooting down a fighter jet it needs a warhead of a certain size but what if its attacked by small drones, its a waste of a big warhead, it would be nice if that one missile could split into 4 including the warhead and each independently seek the target.
@@hypersonicmonkeybrains3418 Phalanx for that
If a t45 is under a saturation attack, we're already in ww3.
So it doesn't really matter does it.
Remember the russians ,learned from the the uk and the netherlands how to build ships ,and they used the intelligence and know how of the dutch to lift the submarine Kursk ! Never forget many saylors in ww2 ,on the cold run to deliver equipmnent to Murmansk ,many saulors lost there life this is never
Given much attention ,look at a large memorial in Rotterdam for the diseased saylors .
Enough to get the Russians to send out 30 aircraft
Excellent ship! Now if the commanders had some brains it will be awesome!
They are getting upgrades I think. and multi purpose frigates that will also do a destroyers job is currently underway. No mater what I still think these type 45 will be in excellent use for a good few years yet and I hope if anything can be handed to a commonwealth countries when we have superior
Whilst still looking after our family we shouldn't help defend beter and with that with beter equipment come beter defence .its our duty to defend the rule of law .
@@Pdh24 you mean you can update the HSS commanders brain? a modulor brain fit for future upgrades?? LMAO
@@liran547 Yeah, right. Im sure after a big lung full of crack that all made sense, however, to us that don't partake in this passtime it's just pure and utter nonsense.
@@Pdh24 It looks like the navy is assessing the options for an anti-ballistic missile capability, so they might finally get the 16 full length cells they were designed with.
Would that be the qualification you're offering?
Make vedio on india vishkpatnam class and Kolkata class destroyer.
2006... 2016
48 missiles isn't enough for true fleet defense. Literally twice as many cells on US Burkes. AND, those Burkes will have 10ish of those cells filled with ESSM (50Km range) that are quad packed so 40 missiles in 10 cells.
NO GRENADE LAUNCHERS , IT MIGHT TAKE OUT AIR MISSILES BUT WHAT ABOUT TORPEDOES , BOMBS,ANTI SUBMARINES WEAPONS AND SEA MINES ? . IT CAN BECOME A EASY TARGET FOR THEM .
I think people with more brain cells than you have already thought about this
torpedos are considered pretty primitive weapons nowadays, they travel significantly slower than missiles due to the water resistance, and with the radar capabilities on these ships nothing submerged can really get close enough to hit them.
@@matty2076 ship’s radar cannot see underwater.
Afaik, it has a towed sonar, and mainly relies on its helicopters for submarine defence before they can teach torpedo range
@@Jo-rz6bs helicopter has limited use.
Nice, but can it stop rubber dingies crossing the channel from Africa?
If given orders to do so, yes.
I love when these videos go on and on about how powerful a weapons system is. Using the manufactures info. Yet totally unproven. Better to see how they stack up in battle. Type 42 was praised as high tech in the early eighties, aluminum superstructures and sea dart. Argentinians helped correct the manufactures data on those weapons systems and technologies. Truth is no idea how well it will work in a full scale battle, tell it happens, problem is there is so much hype tactics grow around the hype. That becomes a recipe for disaster.
Just watch a video of KSA's Patriot Pac 3 trying to stop a old seventies Houthi missile! The Patriot Pac 3 takes out the 7-11 and a few residential buildings, fails to hit anything.Yet it can track 1000 targets small as a humming bird able to intercept missiles at mach 3 blhaaa blhaa blhaa.
The US gave the British zero chance to take back the Falkland's, due to being faced by a large navy, a land based air force and having no AWACS. not to mention the distance from home.
look how that turned out....
sea dart actually performed better than it did on paper.
even hitting a 4.5 inch navel shell in flight.
and it got the first intercept of an anti ship missile ever in actual combat.
yes the type 42 got lengthened due to hull cracking. but they did spend months in the worst seas on the planet.. the southern ocean in autumn/winter.
All in all the campaign left the American navy a bit bemused.
we chased the argentine navy into port, gutted their air force. and trounced their conscript army.
with a single large taskforce.
No idea what point you are trying to make. Of course nothing is proven until it's proven in actual warfare so what is your alternative? Are you suggesting that countries should go to war to test their newest weapons? You're not making sense.
Ur speaking facts bro. No system is perfect. No weapon is perfect. No ship is perfect. Period
@@Mk1Male The OP used sea dart to try to prove that weapons are not as good as their sale sheet.
ironically sea dart performed better than its sales sheet at both low targets and at high targets at range.
in an actual war.
i was agreeing with him that "on paper" and "in real war" are two different things.
hence the US thinking we could not win the war on paper.
but both are examples of overperforming, not underperforming.
which is the exact opposite of the point he was trying to make.
@@Mk1Male No I am suggesting that when one reviews a weapon and makes a video about said weapon claiming to be a military channel presenting themselves as an authority on the subject they should do more then read the manufactures sales pitch. To each his own and all that, they can make what they want and I can comment on it. This is where we are. Now to me I am not sure if it makes sense but thats how its set up.
I'm not watching this video because the secrets of this ship was found on a bus stop. Everyone already knows. If you don't watch the tv show, Google she and the page's. On a bus stop
Planted, clearly..
Shame to say it yes. Wish I found it. Omg I'd read and love to give back
Does not how powerful this ship and if you are going against Russia then any ship will burns.
Sure, the Russian ships will indeed spontaneously catch fire and sink.
You forgot to mention HMS dragon just shot down a Mach 8 sea skipper.
No it didn’t.
With all due respect, the type 45 destroyer is nowhere near the air defense destroyer of Arleigh Burke. It's definitely the best air defense destroyer Great Britain has ever developed but the 48 tube sea viper launcher limit to Astre 15 and Astre 30 missiles can't begin to compare to 96 tubes of the Mark 41 launcher firing evolved sea Sparrow missiles, sm2MRs, sm2ER's sm6 and the ballistic missile interceptors sm3.....
Yeah it's more of a long range interceptor and does lack long fire fight endurance due to the limited missile holdings.
get a life
The US radar is junk.
Have any of the Arleigh Burk class ever been asked to switch off its radar during NATO exercises because its capabilities were 'constraining the exercise' ? they are different ships with different capabilities
@@paulevans7742 ridiculous!
Can we see these ships in war thunder 😜
We need them!
It may be powerful, but can’t handle the Russia.
DARING class ship hmmm
Hoping for a EMP attack to test their system ,,,, but , the Bear keep it for the day when the Gloves come of ,,,,, remember the American ship drifting around and sailors resigning hahaha
Re-write that in English
Seriously .. Does the name Admiral Kuznetsov ring any bells?
@@paulevans7742 What do you mean by that?
Newly developed HYPER Resonance missile ( Mach 6 ) , will out- matched the out-dated Mach 3 missile
How Powerful is Type 45 Destroyer ?
*POWERFULL ENOUGH TO RUN AS FAST AS IT CAN AWAY FROM RAUSSIN SHIPS*
It didn't even change course when the Russians came a looking. 🤣🤣🤣
And where exactly are RAUSSIN ships based? I never heard of those before.
It will also get a radar upgrade and C3 upgrade. It will have a ASTER 39 upgrade to the block 1 standard. Tge new misike is ABM capable. Sea Ceptor san also target surface targets.
Good for the UK, albeit they should have just bought and integrated some of their technology they like into the Arleigh burke class. But I do understand price is a big factor.
@ENGLISH KNIGHT Please troll someone else. The AB class is better it's not even arguable.
The AB class has ballistic missile defense in both terminal and midcourse phase. It has better anti-ship capability, it has better anti-air capability, it has more about 3 x ESSMs alone then the entire type 45 VLS.
"Basically the samspson long range radar can see the furthest in the world"
Keep smoking the good stuff man. The longest range radar in the world to my knowledge is THAAD with an almost 5000km range.
"The AN/TPY-2 Surveillance Transportable Radar, also called the Forward Based X-Band Transportable (FBX-T) is a long-range, very high-altitude active digital antenna array X band surveillance radar designed to add a tier to existing missile and air defence systems. It has a range of 2,900 mi (2,500 nmi; 4,700 km)."
The an/spy-1 from the 70's has a 310km range where as the Samson has a 400km range... The modern An/Spy-6 range is classified, but we know it's 35x more powerful:
"the transmit-receive modules will use new gallium nitride semiconductor technology. This will allow for higher power density than the previous gallium arsenide radar modules.The new radar will require twice the electrical power as the previous generation while generating over 35 times as much radar power."
The fact you think a ship that can intercept ICMBs in their midcourse phase has a shorter range radars then the Sampson is laughable, but hell you thought it was the strongest radar in the world. LOL.
Nope
@@carwyngriffiths Blocked you were warned to stop trolling. Enjoy trolling others.
@@ThatCarGuy Merciless but true. Type 45 is good but lacks fire power. Fuelled a lot of AB destroyers over the years mostly in middle east and they really are built for battle. Usually get cookies sent over at the end of a RAS too which are greatly appreciated by the deck team, something our own type 45s never bother to do. And, the Americans can carry out a RAS without constantly screaming at each other unlike the RN.
Arleigh Burke being replaced
No matter how powerful the Type 45 Destroyer is, it matters how many potential corpses are on board. And the decibels of howling Britain and its flock after this epic burial alive.
From Russia with Death.
made no absolutely no sense
poor brits clapping, dreaming of the glory years past while at home their government puts a chokehold on their freedom to do anything except enjoy the rain.
Who knows they exactly go to war against their equals.
A grain of sand compered with Russia power
Ok Vlad bot.
Perhaps it will be more lucky then HMS Sheffield or more capable in electronics then USS Donald Cook
HMS Sheffield sank more due to crew failings than equipment failings. Primary failure was that the IO aboard Sheffield thought they were out of range of the Super Etendards, not realizing they could refuel air to air, so the ship was at a more relaxed state than it should have been. The main radar was switched blanked out at the time due to other ship to ship communications.
@@paulevans7742 the issue was that SCOT (sat comms) was being used which in affect deafened the ships EW kit and therefore did not detect the attacking aircrafts radar furthermore, the Argentinian pilots pecked the lobes of the 965 LRAW radar to get as close as possible before releasing the weapon. Nothing to do with the ships company's failings.
The UK spends £80bn that's a little over $100bn and doesn't seem to get much in terms of quantity like other countries do for less like france.
I think its 80 billon USD, not Sterling
quality > quantity
always
@@Spartan-jg4bf in 4 years it will be 80billon sterling I belive either way it will be 3rd largest budget
@@Clickathon other countries get good quality and quality for less
@@danielmonk7451 4th biggest.
Англия , за всё придётся вам платить не забывайте!
Try ENGLISH
@@robertlangley399 учи РУССКИЙ
@@Скрипальновичков Уважаю!
Rubbish, waste of £’s
Awesome demonstration 🌞😇🙏
Seems lacklustered on the Anti Submarine Warfare side.
Basically a Kolkata class with poor anti ship and non existent anti sub.
It is necessary to thank Russia for not sending this beautiful British destroyer to the bottom of the Black Sea .
there isnt any evidence that a Russian ship even shot at a British ship
Russia's coast guard and Navy vs BBC
Probably a good air defence destroyer but hardly any offensive armament . What would it fight off surface ships with ?
3 of the ships can carry Harpoon until 2023. Otherwise, it will need to rely on friendly submarines, ships and aircraft.
@@TT-hd3zi so not very powerful in a surface threat role .
@@russellbenton2987 no.
@@russellbenton2987 They are in the process of getting a new anti ship missile in the next year or so .
Going to be Carrying NSM's which are incredibly stealthy. Payload is small, but if a ship is hit, its going to damage the response. The NSM could be within 10nm and a Russian ship would not detect it. Chinese could probably detect it within 15nm
just how fast it can run
Nice
Remember HMS hood?
Yeah a ship from 1918 what about it ???
I have the same question for the T45 that I have for China, who has it fought?! Nobody.
So the same for most ships .
What?!! No torpedoes?!!
Type 23 is ASW ship
@@tomangel266, I see. Well, it is an awesome vessel, but I don't recall any mention of torpedoes in the clip.
@@JSB103 the type 45 which the video was based on has very limited anti submarine warfare role it's a dedicated anti aircraft vessel. The type 23 is the dedicated anti submarine vessel and carries torpedoes
@@tomangel266, I see. Well, thank you for the info. I appreciate it. 👍🏻👍🏻
It's not powerful. It's offensive ability is almost zero. It's defensive ability is a few missiles. It's a peace time design.
I agree. If it came up against the Moskva Class of ships it would get annihilated. The British Royal Navy have no business poking its nose in Russian territory- and I’m British. Make no mistake, I love my country. Sadly, the UK is run by a gang of absolute cunts (who all need shooting) and should not be nosing around in the Black Sea.
One compares destroyer with NATO frigate that vent aground and then allegedly being destroyed not to fall prey to unfriendly ayes, in the case and analogy, much is to desire in a sense, that the vessel is allegedly build to keep the peace.
Damn I want to serve on one of these babes!
its just a boat it can be sunk like any other boat