C Programmer Learns Haskell and DOESN'T Cry? (Coding in a Random Language Every Day)

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  • @dmytrish
    @dmytrish ปีที่แล้ว +534

    3:55 - denial
    5:37 - anger
    6:05 - bargaining
    6:42 - depression
    10:04 - acceptance

    • @ivymuncher
      @ivymuncher ปีที่แล้ว +13

      yeah it does that to you 😭

    • @seanmcghee2373
      @seanmcghee2373 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So terribly sad...

  • @polite3606
    @polite3606 ปีที่แล้ว +373

    Haskell first experience in short:
    - This is terrible, this is not a fun experience. 5:42
    - Wait, did I just made it? 8:36

    • @JasonMitchellofcompsci
      @JasonMitchellofcompsci ปีที่แล้ว +19

      It's a good language when you have to question if you have actually built something before you see it run.

  • @kijetesantakalu
    @kijetesantakalu ปีที่แล้ว +259

    You are very lucky that day 9 was perfect for a recursive solution, which fits nicely with haskell, but still.. you've never programmed in haskell and wrote this? That's impressive!

    • @torarinvik4920
      @torarinvik4920 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Im very impressed too.

    • @chri-k
      @chri-k ปีที่แล้ว +33

      But it did take him 3 hours ( from the stream VOD ), which is a lot more than the ones where he used a familiar language

    • @incredulity
      @incredulity ปีที่แล้ว +4

      kijetesantakalu lon o toki

    • @kijetesantakalu
      @kijetesantakalu ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@incredulity toki a! :D

    • @mskiptr
      @mskiptr ปีที่แล้ว +1

      tenpo mute la mi lukin e ni: toki pali Asuke li musi tawa jan pi toki pona.

  • @wcrb15
    @wcrb15 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    Day 9 was a good choice for a functional language. The recursion was pretty easy to figure out

    • @WHYUNODYLAN
      @WHYUNODYLAN ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I've been doing them all in Haskell, and yeah, there isn't a better problem for him to spin Haskell on.

  • @TheTrienco
    @TheTrienco ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Damn.. I read the title and thought of my first reaction to Haskell at uni: "How are you supposed to do anything without loops and ifs". Took me a full afternoon to wrap my head around that. It clicked eventually, but it also unclicked a few years later...
    I think you got extremely lucky. Day 9 seems very suitable for Haskell. Imagine doing day 10...

    • @Instr
      @Instr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Haskell conditionals (without libraries or extensions):
      if-then-else:
      Equivalent to ternaries.
      if (cond) then (result 1) else (result 2)
      (cond) ? (result 1) : (result 2)
      guards:
      myFunction arg1 arg2 ...
      | cond1 = result1
      | cond2 = result2
      top-level pattern matching:
      myFunction Match1 = result1
      myFunction Match2 = result2
      myFunction Match3 | cond4 = result 3
      You can combine top-level pattern matching and guards.
      case expressions (expression-level pattern matching):
      case foo of
      Match1 -> result1
      Match2 -> result2
      Match3 | cond4 -> result3
      pattern guards:
      foo
      | cond1, cond2, Match3 result1
      | cond2 -> result2
      ***
      I guess the real issue with Haskell is that it's a more expression-oriented language than either Scala or Rust. Whereas in most languages, expressions live in statements, in Haskell, statements live in expressions (statements, within the language spec, only exist within do notation and represent monadically typed values for do notation to stitch together).

    • @ngruhn
      @ngruhn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Instrdamn I didn’t even know about pattern guards

  • @GordanCable
    @GordanCable ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Way to go for confronting all this unknown and exposing us to your learning process. It is very brave to challenge yourself in such a public fashion.

  • @supergoku975
    @supergoku975 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    Amazing! Here's hoping you add RISC-V Assembly to the board

    • @devnom9143
      @devnom9143 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      And I thought I was cruel thinking that now that we've got Haskell I wanna see Lisp

    • @NithinJune
      @NithinJune ปีที่แล้ว

      fr

    • @NithinJune
      @NithinJune ปีที่แล้ว

      this

    • @theultrahorseman
      @theultrahorseman ปีที่แล้ว +4

      MUCH easier than Haskell. He is a C programmer with a channel called low Level Learning and high level procedural languages like assembly and C are just bread and butter.
      VHDL would probably be a better language. (you have to create the computer).

    • @mikafoxx2717
      @mikafoxx2717 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@theultrahorseman
      Verilog.. it's like C, but without the CPU part.

  • @mxlje
    @mxlje 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    "we can do this recursively … I just don’t want to". I felt that.

  • @jeanfecteau7473
    @jeanfecteau7473 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Dude. In other languages I hadn't worked with before, I eventually started to understand your code by the end of the video. Haskell is still looking like gibberish to me after this video.

  • @meiliyinhua7486
    @meiliyinhua7486 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I started doing Haskell for an Intel 8081 disassembler as a play example,
    and my experience has been "once you can stop arguing with the compiler, it just works"

  • @shsbamxnw
    @shsbamxnw ปีที่แล้ว +444

    now imagine coding haskell without chatgpt

    • @prawnydagrate
      @prawnydagrate ปีที่แล้ว +43

      definition of nightmare:

    • @LowLevelTV
      @LowLevelTV  ปีที่แล้ว +296

      No

    • @theunknown4834
      @theunknown4834 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      ​@@LowLevelTVsolution: build zig with haskell

    • @ulroxvladtepes4023
      @ulroxvladtepes4023 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ever since chatgpt came out, whenever I tell my wife I did something cool in a programming language, she says, ohh you just used chatgpt, you're a cheater....... Welcome to the club, also, truly enjoying these videos, thanks for making them@@LowLevelTV

    • @newtonchutney
      @newtonchutney ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@LowLevelTVno part 2? 😂

  • @minneelyyyy
    @minneelyyyy ปีที่แล้ว +79

    it took me a very long time before i finally "got" haskell, now that I have though it is very elegant and problems that are like 20 lines at least in rust are like 4 lines in haskell.

    • @torarinvik4920
      @torarinvik4920 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Its very succinct.

    • @JonathanFraser-i7h
      @JonathanFraser-i7h 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@torarinvik4920 The succinctness is okay the prefusion of operators to make it unnecessarily terse is not.

    • @ICopiedJohnOswald
      @ICopiedJohnOswald 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JonathanFraser-i7h 90% of operator uses are one of $ : >>= I think 6 operators is reasonable to learn.

    • @Adowrath
      @Adowrath 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JonathanFraser-i7h That's the great thing - you don't have to use them if you don't want to, and if you want a clearer name, it's literally two lines to redefine it (three if you want infix to work with a custom precedence).

    • @binaryblade2
      @binaryblade2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Adowrathuntil you need to use a library that went operator happy and all the example use only operators.
      It's not just your code you need to worry about.

  • @ttamttam1522
    @ttamttam1522 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The great thing about functional languages is it's not unusual for them to work on the first try. But let's not talk about how long that first try takes, or how easy it is to pick back up a month later.

  • @Instr
    @Instr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Don't sweat the recursion too much; 80% of the time the recursion is handled for you by higher-order functions (for in Data.Traversable and for_ in Data.Foldable, are essentially for-each or iterator loops, implemented via laziness, recursion, and folds).
    It is a good place to get really familiar with recursion, though, until you find out that people tend to automate the recursion away with functions.
    ***
    In reality, Haskell is sort of Pythonic, insofar as it comes down to getting libraries that interface with low-level stuff, stealing their functions, and using various function composition operators / higher-order functions to stitch them together to transform the incoming data the way you want or throw the side effects you want.
    For instance, your definition of sub? Many Haskellers would write it as sub = flip (-) -- parens around a lone operator turns it into a function; all operators in Haskell are functions and all functions can be made into operators with backticks. flip here just says, for a given function taking at least two arguments, let's switch the first two arguments around. But in fact, there is the subtract function in Prelude that already does what you need.
    ***
    Thanks for giving Haskell a shot, it's a fun past-time that really deserves better tooling and libraries, as well as more production use.

    • @Filaxsan
      @Filaxsan 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      wtf is this language, man
      (XD)

  • @ChrisgammaDE
    @ChrisgammaDE 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is what I love about Haskell. You spent a long time scrambling thinking about a nice algorithm to build this in. Then you put it in your typesystem and when the compiler accepts it, it works and you are proud of yourself

  • @x12danx
    @x12danx ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This guy taught me how to code in high school, really cool dude, loving the content 👍

  • @TheLividPumpkin
    @TheLividPumpkin ปีที่แล้ว +69

    I’m writing a compiler in Haskell, and yesterday I had a meltdown, but it’s very well suited for such tasks :)

    • @Fritz131415
      @Fritz131415 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      For metldowns, that is? :D

    • @m4rt_
      @m4rt_ ปีที่แล้ว +7

      using applicative for parsers is fun

    • @peppybocan
      @peppybocan ปีที่แล้ว +2

      you know, writing a compiler in C is much better!

    • @TheLividPumpkin
      @TheLividPumpkin ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@peppybocan well compilers don't always have to be fast, and as long as you target an efficient enough runtime you should be fine, i'm targeting is a VM I wrote in C , not the most efficient but hey, it kinda works :), the thing with haskell is that it's much easier to write parsers in, (and maybe even typecheckers due to pattern matching).

    • @TheLividPumpkin
      @TheLividPumpkin ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Fritz131415 for both 😂

  • @konfushon
    @konfushon ปีที่แล้ว +31

    it finally happened 😂😂😂

  • @nickeldan
    @nickeldan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "Of course it's recursive." That's practically the Haskell motto.

  • @pseudonymity0000
    @pseudonymity0000 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Would love to see ASM on that Wheel. Or at least give a bit of mercy and see FORTH or COBOL on there. ADA would also be fun.

    • @amigalemming
      @amigalemming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ada would be nice as it promises to deliver correct code like Haskell does.

  • @olexp9017
    @olexp9017 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I started learning programming with BASIC, then moved to binary code (inlines in the BASIC code) which was quite hard to do for obvious reasons. Then moved to Assembly for ZX 80. And that was a lot of fun. Next was Pascal, a lot of fun too. After that C - that was a bit of WTF moments, then Fortran and so on and so forth. From all that experience of learning different lingos I can tell that anything you are unfamiliar with can look a bit like WTF. But your attitude can not only make the process fun but also open your eyes. Or the opposite 😂
    Haskell is awesome.

    • @amigalemming
      @amigalemming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I came from various BASICs, Z80 and MC68000 assembly, Modula II and 3 to Haskell, eventually.

  • @zachary123212
    @zachary123212 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Now you're thinking with types! Though I can't imagine writing Haskell without obsessively inspecting everything's type from moment to moment - they whisper the answers.
    Next step is writing your own Haskell EDSL with free monads.

    • @Adowrath
      @Adowrath ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That's a really good thought process if you want to do anything in Haskell and are just starting out: Think about each step, what are the types/values involved, write a function for it, then assemble into a larger function. You can even use dummy return values to just have something compilable/semi-testable at first. Only once you're done should you go over the code and merge some of the tiny functions into the places they are used.

    • @zachary123212
      @zachary123212 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Adowrath I see: all my comments with links are getting auto-deleted. Well - for the third time - you can create dummy types too, or types with dummy parameters; all you need to do is enable the PartialTypeSignatures extension at the top of the file (really it ought to be enabled by default).

    • @Adowrath
      @Adowrath ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zachary123212 PTS and Holes are game changers, really.

    • @mskiptr
      @mskiptr ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zachary123212 I think Haskell supports typed holes now, doesn't it?

    • @zachary123212
      @zachary123212 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mskiptr Typed holes yes. But not holes in types - afaik that requires the (very confusingly named) extension.

  • @renefernandez360
    @renefernandez360 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You should try with the book "Learn you a Haskell for great good".
    Whe you really understand it, is a really fun experience tp work with and really changes your perspective in solving some problems

  • @CuimeraEmariti
    @CuimeraEmariti ปีที่แล้ว +24

    That create pairs is so necessary. You should zip the list with the tail of itself as in "createPairs lst = zip lst (tail lst)"

    • @atijohn8135
      @atijohn8135 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      use drop 1 instead of tail, since tail fails on empty lists

    • @atijohn8135
      @atijohn8135 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@0LoneTech I meant it for more general usage, it's always preferred to have a total function than a partial one (outside of IO anyway)
      all returns True on an empty list, so the program won't be stuck in a recursion loop anyway

    • @drdilyor
      @drdilyor ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@atijohn8135 just as a sidenote, in this exact case, zip is right lazy so "zip xs (tail xs)" won't fail. but yea drop 1 better

    • @DryBones111
      @DryBones111 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or using NonEmpty list for a new type-accurate headache :)

    • @sphengosine
      @sphengosine 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Or you can do it pointfree:
      createPairs = zip drop 1

  • @Nesdac-k1l
    @Nesdac-k1l ปีที่แล้ว +4

    part1 :: String -> Int
    part1 = solve ((+) . last)
    part2 :: String -> Int
    part2 = solve ((-) . head)
    solve :: ([Int] -> Int -> Int) -> String -> Int
    solve f = sum . map (predict . map read . words) . lines
    where
    predict xs
    | all (== 0) xs = f xs 0
    | otherwise = f xs $ predict $ zipWith (-) (tail xs) xs

    • @Hellbending
      @Hellbending 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This looks like ancient aliens runes to me and I write rust lmfao - how tf do people read this stuff… writing it is one thing but reading it? Oh boi

    • @tietosanakirja
      @tietosanakirja 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I love how powerful Haskell is with lists. I also love that so many things are lists and numbers in Haskell. I learned to appreciate recursion, currying, and lambda functions with Haskell. I just wish it was a bit easier to read. Some functions have had a bit too much influence from mathematicians.

    • @Hellbending
      @Hellbending 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tietosanakirja one that still confuses me is whatever this thing is “ “ or similar- like… why is there a flying saucer in my code 🤣🤣

    • @amigalemming
      @amigalemming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Hellbending It will beam you to the next level.

  • @RockRespawn
    @RockRespawn ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Something really funny about the problem statement starting with "You ride a (o)Camel"

  • @NiDeCo
    @NiDeCo ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Haskell is amazing if you let go of the low level mindset for a second... but I understand that's pretty hard if imperative/OO is all you've known and your channel's literally called "Low Level Programming" 😅
    Glad you made it, and I hope it's not as scary as it used to be. See it as "You've been learning European languages as an English speaker up to this point, now you've started learning Chinese/Hindi" which is COMPLETELY different, yes, but will give you amazing insights into how languages work and what you can do with them 😄

    • @amigalemming
      @amigalemming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I do low-level programming with Haskell and LLVM. It's a machine-independent strongly typed assembler. Pretty cool.

    • @NiDeCo
      @NiDeCo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@amigalemming
      Do you use GHC? And which libraries for the low-level parts? I'm kind of interested now.

    • @amigalemming
      @amigalemming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@NiDeCo I am using GHC and packages llvm-tf and llvm-extra from Hackage. Example applications are patch-image and synthesizer-llvm, also released on Hackage.

  • @Rainbows4Blood
    @Rainbows4Blood ปีที่แล้ว

    The thing I like about Haskell, or generally functional languages is that once you know how to work with them they feel a lot more declarative, you just describe what problem you want to have solved rather than how to solve it.
    However, I understand that it's just super jarring if you are used to procedural or object oriented development.

  • @numipinkpanda5486
    @numipinkpanda5486 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Oh god, I returned to my university years learning Haskell

  • @Tomyb15
    @Tomyb15 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    You got lucky this day was so well suited for haskell, but congrats nonetheless!
    Haskell is the greatest language to exist.

  • @andrejjovanovic3695
    @andrejjovanovic3695 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm pretty new to Haskell. Could solve this problem easy, but still pretty new. I find it very beautiful. Its refreshing just saying what is what instead of writing instructions. Its refreshing typing "read $ word line" and its refreshing only non alnum char you type is operators and occasional ()

  • @Bozebo
    @Bozebo ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Haskell existing gives me daily stress without it being on any spinny wheel xD
    Might have to try it out to get it out of the way.

  • @JasonMitchellofcompsci
    @JasonMitchellofcompsci ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My mistake when trying to learn Haskell is I was trying to parse content from the internet. Then you are dealing with Haskell's absurd multi-dimensional array of string types while all the libraries that are available want you to make use of the extended operators. And networking is inherently going to have side effects, which I was not prepared to do on day one.

  • @redestroyer7994
    @redestroyer7994 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    About the error of the last expression not being IO, I recommend to finish `main` with `return ()`. Just note that `return` is different here :).

  • @matsecrafter304
    @matsecrafter304 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Will you do the missed days?

  • @kyle8575
    @kyle8575 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You are miles better than I am at C and similar low level languages.
    However, seeing you not using few motions in visual mode and move around in insert mode with vim hurts my soul.
    Deeply.

  • @Nate77HK
    @Nate77HK ปีที่แล้ว

    Day 9 like the platonic ideal of a recursive problem lol
    I enjoyed learning Haskell but mostly as an academic pursuit. Moved on to OCaml and then Elixir for more pragmatic things.

  • @Sinthoras155
    @Sinthoras155 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If anyone wants to learn more / see more about haskell, I can recommend Tsodings old haskel videos. he used to be a haskell enthusiast

  • @ShrewT34
    @ShrewT34 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Haskell and C are my two favorite programming languages! And I love embedded programming!!

    • @amigalemming
      @amigalemming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I do low-level programming with Haskell via LLVM.

  • @michaelmueller9635
    @michaelmueller9635 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To understand what recursion is, you first need to understand what recursion is ...welcome to Haskell

  • @VaughanMcAlley
    @VaughanMcAlley ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m smart enough to realise that a purely functional language could be really cool, but not smart enough to get my brain out of its imperative rut.

  • @reed6514
    @reed6514 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ty for doing these videos. I love them, but also take care of yourself. Don't burnout!

  • @lobsterr6274
    @lobsterr6274 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:39 Felt the "Wait, its recursive" in my soul from when I started to learn OCaml

  • @Hofer2304
    @Hofer2304 ปีที่แล้ว

    Try bc, dc, sed and C. If you use C you are not allowed to use any prepocessor. You have to use a linter. If you use splint it is enough to use
    splint -weak file.i
    If you use gcc use this
    splint -weak file.i && gcc -Wall -Wextra -Werror -O2 file.i -o file
    You are not allowed to use any options that make the aformentioned options obsolete.

  • @einargs
    @einargs ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm very happy you got a problem so well suited for Haskell. You didn't get to see any of the stuff that makes us love haskell so much, like monads or lenses or data kinds.
    I'll tell you a useful library most haskell programmers don't mention: the ST monad let's you have mutable variables in a pure function.

    • @animowany111
      @animowany111 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've dabbled in haskell on and off for literal years and I *still* have never encountered a use for lenses. I usually write like 2-5 haskell programs a year, since ~2013, although I've slowed down in recent years.

  • @m4rt_
    @m4rt_ ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's dangerous to go alone! Take this
    solve :: ([Int] -> Int -> Int) -> [[Int]] -> Int
    solve f = foldr f 0
    part1 :: [[Int]] -> Int
    part1 = solve f
    where
    f xs y = last xs + y
    part2 :: [[Int]] -> Int
    part2 = solve f
    where
    f xs y = head xs - y
    prepare :: [[Integer]] -> [[Int]]
    prepare = map (map (fromInteger))
    input = [[0,0],[2,2,2],[0,2,4,6],[3,3,5,9,15],[10,13,16,21,30,45]]
    part1 . prepare $ input
    part2 . prepare $ input

  • @SomeMrMindism
    @SomeMrMindism ปีที่แล้ว

    Another reason why Haskell is amazing: it enforces hexagonal architecture without the user even knowing

  • @alexandersanchez9138
    @alexandersanchez9138 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The idiomatic haskell way to write this would be the one-liner:
    main = readFile "sample.txt" >>= print . foldr ((+) . foldr ((+) . last) 0 . takeWhile (any (/= 0)) . iterate (zipWith (-) tail id) . map read . words) 0 . lines
    Then, simply run it from within the same directory containing both solve.hs and sample.txt with:
    $ runhaskell solve.hs

  • @MatthewHaydenRE
    @MatthewHaydenRE 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Congratulations, you're well on the road to becoming a productive programmer!

  • @JonathanFraser-i7h
    @JonathanFraser-i7h 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nextvalue :: Num a => [a] -> a -> a
    nextvalue [] acc = acc
    nextvalue x@(y:ys) acc = nextvalue (zipWith (-) x ys) (y+acc)
    computeNext list = nextvalue (reverse list) 0

  • @the-answer-is-42
    @the-answer-is-42 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like Haskell. It's a good way to challenge your brain to think differently (or at least for me that's the case). Don't know how practical it is, though.

  • @emanuellandeholm5657
    @emanuellandeholm5657 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Flashbacks of learning to think in Common Lisp in uni in the 90's. Good times!

  • @destro5990
    @destro5990 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The last exam I took in my master's of computer engineering was called "principles of programming languages", where you had to learn Scheme, Haskell and Fortran. It was the most grueling experience of my life.
    Also, the "do" monad was not allowed and it had to be solved on paper

    • @andrew_ray
      @andrew_ray 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "do" isn't a monad. It's a keyword that works with any monad. And you can always rewrite do {x >= \x -> b.

  • @Loki-
    @Loki- ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The shortened format for this one doesn't do Haskell any favors as I quickly got lost in the sauce.

  • @m1geo
    @m1geo ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude, the OG LLG folks demanding something in Assembly?! C'mon, a cheeky little easy-day solution in Arm Assembly! :)

  • @cotton_flowers
    @cotton_flowers 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this was like the IDEAL problem to do in haskell. but damn... that solution is ugly

  • @scriptingdad
    @scriptingdad ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is making me want to try Haskell again.

  • @thevoidoid
    @thevoidoid 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Cniles be like: We're gonna modify the ASM from memory on the fly in order to store the return pointer and creating a jump to the new function.
    Also Cniles: Nooooo, recursion is tooo hard. I don't want to learn new FP concepts and it's the fault of FP.

  • @leosin5767
    @leosin5767 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a guy who does AoC using haskell for two years, that's impressive on the first try tho. I totally forgot how frustrating it was at the beginning nowadays...
    This is my solution on AoC 2023 day 09 part 1
    type History = [Int]
    type Input = [History]
    type Output = Int
    difference :: Num a => [a] -> [a]
    difference series = zipWith subtract series (tail series)
    extrapolate :: History -> Int
    extrapolate history
    | all (== 0) history = 0
    | otherwise = last history + extrapolate (difference history)
    solution :: Solution String Input Output
    solution = Solution
    { parser = many (int `sepBy` char ' '

  • @DIYDaveOK
    @DIYDaveOK ปีที่แล้ว

    I swear I'm watching a 21st Century Infocom game like Zork or Starcross. I expect one of the directions to be "You are likely to be eaten by a grue."

  • @SaneRetro
    @SaneRetro 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When you write in a declarative language but you do and abstract it imperatively, of course you will have this much trouble lol.

  • @roz1
    @roz1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi @LowLevelLearning i checked your website and i want to enroll for the ARM course which is still not up .... Also add a rust course this will also help a lot of people.
    Hope u can bring the ARM course as fast as possible

  • @binary_gaming113
    @binary_gaming113 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I forgot how beautifil this language is

  • @danielfernandes1010
    @danielfernandes1010 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, I like your nvim theme! Would you mind sharing which one it is?

  • @seanmcghee2373
    @seanmcghee2373 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm an inveterate C++ and now C# programmer. On the side I do music. I find learning the violin to be sufficiently soul sucking so I don't have to try programming in Haskell.

  • @elkvis
    @elkvis 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I doubt that I will ever understand the appeal of pure or nearly-pure functional programming languages.

  • @PostThisWombat
    @PostThisWombat ปีที่แล้ว

    5:50 : Jiminy Cricket from Puss in Boots: The Last Wish explains Haskell
    P.S. Love your vids. Classic banger.

  • @danielfrimu1996
    @danielfrimu1996 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, great video
    What editor are you using? And what is the website where you find the problems?

  • @DrMaxPlank
    @DrMaxPlank ปีที่แล้ว

    🤣I have been using Haskell for about two years. Essentially, it teaches you to think functional, and that should be the main reason for using it.

  • @bpa5721
    @bpa5721 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Don't know what you mean. Haskell is lots of fun. If the package management was better I would be gladly using it more often.
    But you know what should be on the wheel (can't read the darker fields, maybe it already is): Common Lisp

    • @bpa5721
      @bpa5721 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@0LoneTech A lot of times it can lead to conflicts. It kills the fun if you have to spend an afternoon to debug the failing of the package system, instead of writing code.

    • @amigalemming
      @amigalemming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cabal with its new Nix-style builds is pretty ok.

  • @amitcausewhynot1660
    @amitcausewhynot1660 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    what happened to days 6-8?

    • @LowLevelTV
      @LowLevelTV  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Speed ran them on twitch to catch up.

  • @scheimong
    @scheimong ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:35 I thought I was listening to ThePrimeagen for one moment.

  • @deathlife2414
    @deathlife2414 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congratulations man. You have gotten rid of your nightmare

  • @ThaLiquidEdit
    @ThaLiquidEdit ปีที่แล้ว

    I can hear you have some nice linear switches (?) Did you build the keyboard yourself? Sounds pretty thocky.

  • @larjasoul
    @larjasoul 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    initial = [6, 9, 4, 2, 0 {-etc-}]
    deltas xs = zipWith (-) xs (tail xs)
    -- not formatted
    answer = takeWhile (not . null) $ iterate deltas initial

    • @larjasoul
      @larjasoul 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      oh i didnt wait to hear out the whole problem lol

  • @redcollard3586
    @redcollard3586 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    *Program compiles and returns correct answer on the first try* "Why would anyone use this terrible language?" Cause it works, bruh... There's kinda no easier way to write algorithms. Wish it was as fast as C but it has a GC unfortunately.

    • @Air-wr4vv
      @Air-wr4vv 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's no point in being fast as C if you're not doing low level though

  • @CallousCoder
    @CallousCoder ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sheer commitment or a love for bdsm I dunno which. I would’ve never ever done it, so you have my respect!✊🏿

  • @bobweiram6321
    @bobweiram6321 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    C#'s LINQ makes this brutally easy.

  • @J-qak
    @J-qak ปีที่แล้ว

    Great, now you can publish a whitepaper!
    For real though, I love Haskell-inspired features in Rust.

  • @amigalemming
    @amigalemming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Recursion is for beginners. A pro would define:
    createPairs xs = zip xs (drop 1 xs)

    • @noellundstrom7447
      @noellundstrom7447 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yeah chatgpt is not so great at haskell I have noticed

  • @attilatorok5767
    @attilatorok5767 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have 2 problems with haskell.
    The first problem is information density. You might be able to do a lot more things in fewer lines but those fewer lines still have to carry all that information, so for me it becomes hard to mentally parse.
    The second problem in the language for me is indenting. Haskell is whitespace sensitive and I generally dislike that. A lot of the time you will do something with the state monad and you end up with a "code tornado". Frequently you will end a do block with a "case" construct to pattern match the default cases in a recursive do block, because the language is whitespace sensitive you end up indenting 4-5 levels some of the time. It doesn't help that I like to have 8 wide indentation.

    • @asdfghyter
      @asdfghyter ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah, i don't really think 8 wide indentation is viable in haskell. one compromise i often use to reduce the excessive indentation levels is to use half-level indentation for single-line keywords like do and case etc. if i use 4 spaces of indentation i would indent the "do" keyword 2 spaces. another option is to put the keyword at the end of the previous line.
      of course, neither of these will help with the information density problem. however, for me there is some reduction of information as well, at least as long as you stop thinking low level operationally but more higher level "what is the result?". For example, if I see in C code a for-loop that calculates the sum of an array, that carries a lot of details about how the sum is performed, which I may not care about, so just calling the "sum" function (or even "foldl' (+) 0") has less uninteresting details and boilerplate.

    • @chaddaifouche536
      @chaddaifouche536 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Information density is higher, but you just have to get out of the habit of just glimpsing at a line to know what it does since in most other language that's all it takes. You have to take your time to read and understand each line. You'll feel slow but all in all you're understanding the program at the same speed (once you're proficient), it is just much more compact.
      I like whitespace sensitivity but in Haskell it's optional, you can use braces and semicolon instead if you prefer. Of course that won't help with code written by others…
      And 8 spaces indentation is just too much !! 4 spaces is more viable and just as easy to parse visually, IMHO.

  • @torarinvik4920
    @torarinvik4920 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very, very impressive actually, Im a FP guy, to me it seems that your a natural! F# and Ocaml are languages much like Haskell but without the pain and suffering that Haskell can bring. F# is my fav language, but the problem with FP languages is that languages like Rust, Swift and Kotlin gives you all the awesome goodies from FP language plus much more. And they are also more efficient. That basically means that FP languages will never be mainstream.

    • @MrPoselsky
      @MrPoselsky ปีที่แล้ว

      Depends on how you define efficient.

    • @torarinvik4920
      @torarinvik4920 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrPoselsky True, its a little bit in the argue category.

    • @AnthonyBullard
      @AnthonyBullard ปีที่แล้ว +2

      OCaml can be much more efficient than Kotlin, and in professional hands could be made to approach the level of Swift in some domains. F# is about the same as the equivalent Kotlin

    • @torarinvik4920
      @torarinvik4920 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnthonyBullard I agree. I believe that Ocaml has gotten some recent solid upgrades as well in the compiler. So I stand corrected!

    • @Instr
      @Instr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh please, traverse print [1..100], what's the problem?
      traverse fizzBuzz [1..100]
      fizzBuzz :: Int -> IO ()
      fizzBuzz num
      | num `mod` 3 == 0 && num `mod` 5 == 0 = putStrLn "FizzBuzz"
      | num `mod` 3 == 0 = putStrLn "Fizz"
      | num `mod` 5 == 0 = putStrLn "Buzz"
      fizzBuzz num = print num
      vs:
      def fizzBuzz():
      for num in range(1,101):
      if not num % 3 and not num % 5: print("FizzBuzz")
      else if not num % 3: print("Fizz")
      else if not num % 5: print("Buzz")
      else: print(num)

  • @whamer100
    @whamer100 ปีที่แล้ว

    and whats just as nuts is the second part is literally just as easy LOL

  • @Adowrath
    @Adowrath ปีที่แล้ว

    The fact that you knew about folds/reduces and such but not about the term "adjacent difference" ('adjDiff xs = zipWith (-) xs (tail xs))' maybe flip the - or tail vs non-tail) is wild to me. xD

    • @chaddaifouche536
      @chaddaifouche536 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or deltas as they're commonly called. You can use the subtract function to avoid having to flip (-).

  • @ochiruko2874
    @ochiruko2874 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    most recursionable functions are easily done with lists and scans…

  • @zajlord2930
    @zajlord2930 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    where can i find exercises like this?

  • @jkennethking
    @jkennethking ปีที่แล้ว

    Good on you and well done!

  • @simondj8572
    @simondj8572 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you mind to share your nvim config?
    Thanks

  • @null6209
    @null6209 ปีที่แล้ว

    "C programmer" that's enough to make me cry

  • @m4rt_
    @m4rt_ ปีที่แล้ว +4

    do part 2, it's easy

  • @codewizard58
    @codewizard58 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Language Acquisition Syndrome, Gear Acquisition Syndrome for programmers : )

  • @toujw78
    @toujw78 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the videos. What Vim colorscheme are you using?

  • @draakisback
    @draakisback ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the concept of haskell, but the syntax always drives me insane; which is why I prefer ocaml. There is something to be said for a language that has mapping built directly into it, it allows you to easily deal with collections of data in a way that is somewhat more intuitive than using loops. I don't know if you've ever worked with APL or any of the other array-based languages, Haskell has a lot of those features even if it's not a true array based language. It's very much a research language, it doesn't make much sense when people use it in prod for enterprise solutions but some people are masochistic I suppose.

    • @Adowrath
      @Adowrath ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Honestly, the very weird syntax is the only reason I haven't used Ocaml outside of 2-3 code Katas I did once. Haskell really reads well for me in comparison, the only thing I wish it had was (.member) like syntax (like Idris has).

    • @draakisback
      @draakisback ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Adowrath it's funny, I used to like elm (before the community exploded) which uses a Haskell like syntax but it's syntax is much cleaner than Haskell itself. Idris too, has a much cleaner syntax when compared to Haskell. Ocaml reads like rust but with functional programming.
      A lot of people blame the issue with Haskell on functional programming, but I started with fp instead of oo or imperative languages. The syntax just has too many points where it changes from prefix to infix and it has these bizarre operators which idiomatically don't use parentheses etc. even when I was contributing to cardano, I just didn't like using Haskell.

    • @Adowrath
      @Adowrath ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@draakisback I love coding in Idris (wrote an experimental backend to Hasell for it lmao) but I actually, despite the foundational ideas, really didn't enjoy my time with Elm as much as I hoped to - a mix of elm-format being quite ugly, the non-existence of multiple clauses in function definitions, no typeclasses, and the choice of not allowing unprefixed usage of functions from other modules made it kind of a pain to use in that uni project once.
      The one thing that is really confusing though is the ginormous list of precedence levels in Haskell compared to Idris, I'll give you that. I practically always try to write my code where infix operators are unambiguous in priority without using too many parentheses.

    • @draakisback
      @draakisback ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Adowrath I can understand that. For me elm was interesting because of the idioms and how clean it's syntax was. I know a lot of people didn't like that it was a fairly small and opinionated language. It's part of why the community exploded, so many people wanted to use it full stack and the main dev didn't want that.

    • @Adowrath
      @Adowrath ปีที่แล้ว

      @@draakisback Oh, that's what you meant by exploded, I thought you meant like they got really big. And yeah, it's definitely a great language if you can come to like it, the puzzle pieces of my brain just weren't the right shapes.

  • @StoneShards
    @StoneShards ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmm...maybe THAT is why someone would program in Haskell!

  • @swagok467
    @swagok467 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the best thing about haskell is that you dont have to use it

  • @ecampo123
    @ecampo123 ปีที่แล้ว

    TBH that my reaction whenever I get an AOC solution first try 10:18

  • @onelazynoob15
    @onelazynoob15 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only code I understood was the stuff chatgpt wrote, because it reminds me of how I solved things in lisp during university. Everything else broke my brain; the $ still scares me; I looked it up and I still can't follow why they are where in your code. I have no idea what's going on.

    • @anarchymatt
      @anarchymatt ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The '$' operator has a precedence level that basically let's you replace the parenthesis on the right half of your expression
      map (+1) (getList myData)
      Could become
      map (+1) $ getList myData
      It handles applying the argument myData to the function getList, and then has that value become the second argument to map

  • @user-goohanbeom
    @user-goohanbeom ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Low Level Learning do not like high level language. Huh.

  • @chocolateimage
    @chocolateimage 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    looks like my notes after 1 month

  • @abeldemoz
    @abeldemoz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Put Swift on the wheel.