These 5 minute vids from Ben are 10x more valuable than the professionally produced goofball stuff being put out by all the other content creators and I’m here for it
I still keep my first carry gun from 2008, a Glock 23 in .40, in the safe just to have. It’s came in handy a few times during ammo shortages when 9mm became unobtainable but .40 was everywhere.
Same but with HK VP40. another cool thing about 40 is you can convert to .357 sig with a simple barrel swap which is a beast caliber no matter how you slice it. Jack Wilson church defender caliber lol 😂
Around 07, my department and a few others went to .40 because we were told that they "performed better through windshields." Turns out, that was the only benefit and a few years later Hornady would make some kickass 9mm that did just as well. Made the caliber pointless as that was all it had going for it other than that brief time the FBI used it
I really enjoy and appreciate your videos, very real, no nonsense and fair. Just a thought on 40, don’t think it will ever be dead, hundreds of thousands of police trade in 23’s, 22’s, probably not as many but 27’s and 35’s, when ammogeddon hit just watching TargetsportsUSA’s inventory 40’s went just about as fast as 9mm, I still watch it and 40’s still selling pretty good, not shot as much as 9’s for sure but it’s gonna be around for a long time. Thx for what you do
Every now and then, after a big match I have a rush of crap to the brain and eye off my old standard division major gun. Ben's words of wisdom always gets me back on track with 9mm and optics. 😅
Love my p226 double action in 40 my father-in-law gave me. I’m pretty much a novice shooter and shoot this the best as I’m concentrating on the trigger pull at all times. Ben has made me really want to get better at shooting and even bough your dry fire book and getting my belt rig set up for my new staccato. Funny I just found out your pro shop is literally 1 minute from my house. Could be dangerous. Thank you so much for all your videos. Really appreciate them
9mm is more popular in the LE arena basically for a few reasons. First it’s cheaper, second because we now hire smurfs. The lesser recoil of the 9mm is easier to get recruits to mediocrity which is now the standard in Law Enforcement. Third it is s bit harder on guns. Maintenance requirements are more. But as they say, you can’t fool Mother Nature. The kinetic energy of the 40 is greater and contrary to the present day spin, the fight stoppng capabilities are superior. I disagree that it is more power than you need. I never heard anyone I debriefed after a gunfight say they wish they had a smaller less powerful gun. I agree it’s going away, but not for the right reasons.🇺🇸👮🏻♂️👍🏻
The era of the .40 essentially got started by the 1986 FBI Miami Gunfight. This was always trying to solve a problem that didn't exist. First came the debacle of the 10mm, the FBI 10mm Lite, and the Smith & Wesson 1076 aka 'The Boat Anchor'. The .40 soon followed. So many police departments followed suit. SMH. All the while, many of us were wondering what the heck was going on. I don't miss the .40 at all.
They claimed the 9mm and 38s they had lacked power. And yeah they kind of do, but they jumped on the 40 when a crucial factor in that gunfight was that they fired a lot of rounds and didn't really hit anything.
As jsmiley said, I think these short vids hit with a lot of 'average' or 'above-average' shooters because Ben isn't all talk. He's literally walked and has video proof, trophy evidence, etc. I'm certain we all have a 'battle-proven' buddy or two with some crazy stories, etc. I've never been able to verify any of it, nor are they putting up impressive accuracy/times when shooting during our sessions. Of course, I'm talking strictly firearms handling/shooting and not mentality. Other men are drawn to things they want to accomplish themselves, and Ben is definitely a leader in THIS space. When he talks, guys listen.
I had a .40 P99 for almost a decade and during the lockdowns ammo was pretty easy to find and it was cheaper then 9mm. Once the supply issues got better and 9mm went down in price and availability improved I sold it for a WASR-10 two years ago. 9mm has got a lot better in terms of quality where I feel .40 hasn’t changed at all in terms of development. I didn’t mind the snappiness of .40 and overtime it became a lot easier to fire.
I recently watched your “Aero is garbage” series of videos, and it raised the question of what other common brands with widespread use would you classify alongside Aero? BCM is clearly stellar, but for instance what are your thoughts and/or experiences with Daniel Defense and others? You’re the man and thanks for all that you do. Your online tutelage helps tremendously.
In terms of future of the 40S&W goes. My personal sentiment about the caliber aside, There will always be a demand for a caliber more powerful than a 9mm that is not fat as 45ACP that requires a bigger gun with fatter grip. It just fills a certain spectrum of power not satisfied with other caliber.
Best part about .40 is putting a .357 sig barrel in for a lighter alternative to 10mm for woods carry. Maybe not in grizzly country though. For lightweight there it seems bear spray might be the best alternative.
A rather funny piece of Glock history. Gaston Glock was at Shot Show when S&W unveiled the .40 At the time, nobody knew who Gaston was. Well, nobody knew what he looked like is probably more accurate. So, he just grabbed some of S&W's cartridges from their booth, reworked Glock's 10mm offering, and released a handgun in S&W's own cartridge before S&W released one.
A lot of people complain about the stock Glock sights. Just like other things Glock, they are functional. Also, I believe that Glock knows most people are just gonna swap them out for whatever it is they prefer. For me, it's Trijicon HD XRs. Why make the base product more expensive unnecessarily? Recognize the plastic Glock sights for what they are: functioning dovetail keepers.
40 is a lot of extra effort with lower capacity. I can see why some departments are unloading it. Just wish I had a connect to get a pallet of discarded 40 of my own 😂
I like 40 because you can upgrade a recoil spring and make some pretty nasty reloads. I know 10mm is more and better but 40 pistols are everywhere and dirty dirt cheap I have a gen 4 G22 with KKM G35 barrel, heavier stainless recoil spring, and 3 dot night sights. Definitely need that upgrade barrel, even the "fully supported" G4 and up chamber is not fully supported. G3 and earlier are even less supported. Stock Glock will run factory ammo *perfectly fine and safely*
Is there any value to a comp shooter shooting a harder recoiling pistol, like a hitter in baseball uses a weighted bat in the on deck circle??? I just bought a G 20 in 10 mil for a sidearm for hunting, but thought I could get some value in shooting some practical pistol drills to develop my comp shooting skills???
Follow the money: 40 was just a marketing scheme (and a very effective one) by S&W to sell a more expensive cartridge to LE, knowing civilians would follow. This is well-documented; glad ppl figured it out eventually. Many ppl will still argue for the 40, but in conversations with these ppl (often relatively inexperienced "recreational" shooters) my sense is that they psychologically bought into it and are reluctant to admit that the cartridge is an ongoing waste of money. Generally better to just sell the gun -- we ALL make gun purchase mistakes -- and move on. But if you shoot only one box of ammo a year, who cares? -- enjoy your 40 and blast away!
I know you dont care and i dont necessarily blame you, but a USP 40 or VP40 handles the caliber much better bc HK actually designs the gun around the calober
fun watching Ben trash .40 during my year of shooting Limited Major just to be stubborn it's not expensive if you reload but otherwise yeah, all these criticisms are true
I've done many vids 9 vs 40 in drills. Fortah haters because their recoil control sucks hearsay "Just as Good" should watch my "9 vs 40 Modern Meat Target" vid with both 2 old and 2 newer loads in both.
From competition scoring stand point, 9mm is certainly better. However, people who chose 40S&W usually did not choose it for scoring in a competition. I guess some did when "major caliber" was a thing, and I am not sure if "major caliber" in competittion matters any more. Not so keen on that subject. It all comes down to what each believe about per-shot probability of incapacitating an opponent. People who are fans 9mm pretend "science is setteled." However, the truth of the matter is that their entire argument is based on, "9mm and 40S&W make about the same volume of crushed jelly in a make believe block we worship, and we assert that this caues the same amount of bleeding, so 9mm and 40S&W must be equal." This is full of logical fallacies, and unverified claims presented as facts. Most importantly, NO ONE BLEEDS FAST ENOUGH FOR BLEEDING TO UNCONSCIOUSNESS BY PISTOL ROUND TO BE THE DECIDING FACTOR IN WININING A GUN FIGHT IN SECONDS. I do get that there are some cases where gunfight was lenghty in time enough to allow someone to bleed to death, but that is an exception rather than the norm, and in many cases it involves both sides getting carried to the hospital, which is not desirable. My position is that there are factors involved in probability of incapacitation that are still unknown or not fully exploered which the 9mm worshipers just chalks it off as "psychological surrender" in a very unscientific manner while they claim to be representing "science." I have my own video about is subject for anyone interested.
Shooting that hot defensive ammo in that light glock frame, with those dreadful sights....would be absolutely terrible. 40 in a 4 pound plus boat anchor gun, now thats the ticket.
40 is an abomination. The FBI blamed 9mm for their training and tactics issues and adopted 10mm, a bear defense round. 40 was an attempt to make it usable and avoid admitting they made a mistake. You get more recoil and less capacity for no benefit.
In all fairness, 9mm does seem to ‘lack’ something ballistically, and going to a larger round for some extra oomph might make sense, in theory. But, I think 40 was destined to fail from it’s inception, being a bastardized version of 10mm and all. I think someone who is pretty skilled would actually be able to handle a 10mm, and use it quite effectively, but then we are back to the training and tactics point.
@@user-sc2ye2rj6g all non magnum handgun rounds are going to lack lethality. It's not hard to find examples where someone survived multiple shots from most calibers. The real lesson to the Miami shooting should have been, don't bring a handgun to a rifle fight. I like 10mm, it has its purpose. 40 doesn't and with duty and ccw pistols, capacity trumps the power of the cartridge every time.
@user-sc2ye2rj6g I shot full power 10mm in carry optics 😂 fireballs for everyone! You get a fireball and YOU get a fireball! I was like Oprah with fireballs 😅
@@mattwhite7421 I think you could make a pretty good argument for carrying something larger than a 9mm, but I see your point. Personally, I carry a 45, but I’m kinda a fudd so 🤷♂️
These 5 minute vids from Ben are 10x more valuable than the professionally produced goofball stuff being put out by all the other content creators and I’m here for it
Nah, it's all drama.
@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw I’m here for it
I think .40 is awesome but I still like to hear what Ben thinks...really boring drama though
True
That's bc those guys' main job is to sell you more crap you don't need
Giga Chad T-shirt right there
about that beer I owe ya
Only reason I'm here was the shirt.
Half Life 3 finally confirmed via Ben Stoeger
40 cal is a princely caliber
cooler than .45 but still not as practical as 9mm
Long live Limited Major !
Shirt goes obscenely hard Ben let’s fucking go.
”I got two Glock forties, them be twenty twins”
- Chief Keef
Rap culture singlehandedly keeping 40 alive (and weirdos like me who use it for major)
I still keep my first carry gun from 2008, a Glock 23 in .40, in the safe just to have. It’s came in handy a few times during ammo shortages when 9mm became unobtainable but .40 was everywhere.
Same but with HK VP40. another cool thing about 40 is you can convert to .357 sig with a simple barrel swap which is a beast caliber no matter how you slice it. Jack Wilson church defender caliber lol 😂
You think they're gonna keep making 40 in the same quantities and stores will be stocking the same amount come next famine?
@@rodiculous9464 that's not cool at all.
That shirt is awesome. All you need is a crowbar.
Around 07, my department and a few others went to .40 because we were told that they "performed better through windshields." Turns out, that was the only benefit and a few years later Hornady would make some kickass 9mm that did just as well. Made the caliber pointless as that was all it had going for it other than that brief time the FBI used it
How is the 40 cal vs the headcrabs?
Underrated comment
😂
I officially dubb them "Man in the boat" sights.
The high stakes version of the popular "ball in a cup" children's toy
I really enjoy and appreciate your videos, very real, no nonsense and fair. Just a thought on 40, don’t think it will ever be dead, hundreds of thousands of police trade in 23’s, 22’s, probably not as many but 27’s and 35’s, when ammogeddon hit just watching TargetsportsUSA’s inventory 40’s went just about as fast as 9mm, I still watch it and 40’s still selling pretty good, not shot as much as 9’s for sure but it’s gonna be around for a long time. Thx for what you do
Every now and then, after a big match I have a rush of crap to the brain and eye off my old standard division major gun. Ben's words of wisdom always gets me back on track with 9mm and optics.
😅
If Ben doesn't like 40, he must hate 10mm.
unless you are in bear country
@@NDcompetitiveshooter 9 for the hood 10 for the woods
Love the shirt!
Love my p226 double action in 40 my father-in-law gave me. I’m pretty much a novice shooter and shoot this the best as I’m concentrating on the trigger pull at all times. Ben has made me really want to get better at shooting and even bough your dry fire book and getting my belt rig set up for my new staccato. Funny I just found out your pro shop is literally 1 minute from my house. Could be dangerous. Thank you so much for all your videos. Really appreciate them
9mm is more popular in the LE arena basically for a few reasons. First it’s cheaper, second because we now hire smurfs. The lesser recoil of the 9mm is easier to get recruits to mediocrity which is now the standard in Law Enforcement. Third it is s bit harder on guns. Maintenance requirements are more. But as they say, you can’t fool Mother Nature. The kinetic energy of the 40 is greater and contrary to the present day spin, the fight stoppng capabilities are superior. I disagree that it is more power than you need. I never heard anyone I debriefed after a gunfight say they wish they had a smaller less powerful gun. I agree it’s going away, but not for the right reasons.🇺🇸👮🏻♂️👍🏻
This is wrong on every level except the gunfight debrief and wanting bigger calibers.
The “power” difference argument especially with modern ammunition is silly.
My favorite thing about 40 is my 357sig barrel I have for my P229. Spicy, fun caliber.
The era of the .40 essentially got started by the 1986 FBI Miami Gunfight. This was always trying to solve a problem that didn't exist.
First came the debacle of the 10mm, the FBI 10mm Lite, and the Smith & Wesson 1076 aka 'The Boat Anchor'.
The .40 soon followed. So many police departments followed suit. SMH.
All the while, many of us were wondering what the heck was going on. I don't miss the .40 at all.
They claimed the 9mm and 38s they had lacked power. And yeah they kind of do, but they jumped on the 40 when a crucial factor in that gunfight was that they fired a lot of rounds and didn't really hit anything.
Sick shirt 🤘
"Something died down here!" -Barney Calhoun, looking at the corpse of .40 Smith & Wesson
As jsmiley said, I think these short vids hit with a lot of 'average' or 'above-average' shooters because Ben isn't all talk. He's literally walked and has video proof, trophy evidence, etc. I'm certain we all have a 'battle-proven' buddy or two with some crazy stories, etc. I've never been able to verify any of it, nor are they putting up impressive accuracy/times when shooting during our sessions.
Of course, I'm talking strictly firearms handling/shooting and not mentality. Other men are drawn to things they want to accomplish themselves, and Ben is definitely a leader in THIS space. When he talks, guys listen.
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I had a .40 P99 for almost a decade and during the lockdowns ammo was pretty easy to find and it was cheaper then 9mm. Once the supply issues got better and 9mm went down in price and availability improved I sold it for a WASR-10 two years ago. 9mm has got a lot better in terms of quality where I feel .40 hasn’t changed at all in terms of development.
I didn’t mind the snappiness of .40 and overtime it became a lot easier to fire.
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I recently watched your “Aero is garbage” series of videos, and it raised the question of what other common brands with widespread use would you classify alongside Aero? BCM is clearly stellar, but for instance what are your thoughts and/or experiences with Daniel Defense and others? You’re the man and thanks for all that you do. Your online tutelage helps tremendously.
In terms of future of the 40S&W goes. My personal sentiment about the caliber aside, There will always be a demand for a caliber more powerful than a 9mm that is not fat as 45ACP that requires a bigger gun with fatter grip. It just fills a certain spectrum of power not satisfied with other caliber.
The only 40S&W I would buy is the full size USP, and only for the immaculate Rainbow Six vibes.
I’d get it chopped for a dot though, via LTT.
Best part about .40 is putting a .357 sig barrel in for a lighter alternative to 10mm for woods carry. Maybe not in grizzly country though. For lightweight there it seems bear spray might be the best alternative.
Love the Black Mesa shirt!! I really wish Valve would make some new games
A rather funny piece of Glock history. Gaston Glock was at Shot Show when S&W unveiled the .40
At the time, nobody knew who Gaston was. Well, nobody knew what he looked like is probably more accurate.
So, he just grabbed some of S&W's cartridges from their booth, reworked Glock's 10mm offering, and released a handgun in S&W's own cartridge before S&W released one.
When can we expect the "Glock 40 is a good gun... be better" T-shirt from the Ben Stoeger pro shop?
Glock model 22 - I'll always have a soft spot for this gun. 😉
I shoot 10mm to make 9mm feel like 22lr 😂 it definitely makes shooting 9mm easier. No doubt about it. Helps with recoil anticipation as well.
A lot of people complain about the stock Glock sights. Just like other things Glock, they are functional. Also, I believe that Glock knows most people are just gonna swap them out for whatever it is they prefer. For me, it's Trijicon HD XRs. Why make the base product more expensive unnecessarily? Recognize the plastic Glock sights for what they are: functioning dovetail keepers.
Dat fotay got stoppin powa.
40 is a lot of extra effort with lower capacity. I can see why some departments are unloading it. Just wish I had a connect to get a pallet of discarded 40 of my own 😂
I like 40 because you can upgrade a recoil spring and make some pretty nasty reloads. I know 10mm is more and better but 40 pistols are everywhere and dirty dirt cheap
I have a gen 4 G22 with KKM G35 barrel, heavier stainless recoil spring, and 3 dot night sights. Definitely need that upgrade barrel, even the "fully supported" G4 and up chamber is not fully supported. G3 and earlier are even less supported. Stock Glock will run factory ammo *perfectly fine and safely*
*.40 Cal goes up in stock nationwide*
Is there any value to a comp shooter shooting a harder recoiling pistol, like a hitter in baseball uses a weighted bat in the on deck circle??? I just bought a G 20 in 10 mil for a sidearm for hunting, but thought I could get some value in shooting some practical pistol drills to develop my comp shooting skills???
I still have my Glock 22 that I got back in like 2008 lol.
Would you prefer a 180grain 40S&W from a Glock or a 45000grain crowbar?
Would you shoot 308 to ger better at shooting 556? (Horribly worded, but you catch my drift? "You have to be better," apply the same way?)
Wow, for its past popularity the 40 has fallen really hard and fast.
I’m really struggling with dry firing target focused with irons. Any tips?
I just stopped using .40 and am now carrying .9mm +p😂
Follow the money: 40 was just a marketing scheme (and a very effective one) by S&W to sell a more expensive cartridge to LE, knowing civilians would follow. This is well-documented; glad ppl figured it out eventually. Many ppl will still argue for the 40, but in conversations with these ppl (often relatively inexperienced "recreational" shooters) my sense is that they psychologically bought into it and are reluctant to admit that the cartridge is an ongoing waste of money. Generally better to just sell the gun -- we ALL make gun purchase mistakes -- and move on. But if you shoot only one box of ammo a year, who cares? -- enjoy your 40 and blast away!
I only clicked because of the shirt :v
Fortay’s cool and all, but where’s the Steggler love for tree oughty AZEEPEE
I know you dont care and i dont necessarily blame you, but a USP 40 or VP40 handles the caliber much better bc HK actually designs the gun around the calober
The Remoil boys would like you to bully my friends that use stock Glock sights. I need your help to get them off of em.
fun watching Ben trash .40 during my year of shooting Limited Major just to be stubborn
it's not expensive if you reload but otherwise yeah, all these criticisms are true
Here we go
I've done many vids 9 vs 40 in drills. Fortah haters because their recoil control sucks hearsay "Just as Good" should watch my "9 vs 40 Modern Meat Target" vid with both 2 old and 2 newer loads in both.
so when are you running for president?
Nobody who SHOULD run does...because they have a brain 😂
From competition scoring stand point, 9mm is certainly better. However, people who chose 40S&W usually did not choose it for scoring in a competition. I guess some did when "major caliber" was a thing, and I am not sure if "major caliber" in competittion matters any more. Not so keen on that subject.
It all comes down to what each believe about per-shot probability of incapacitating an opponent. People who are fans 9mm pretend "science is setteled." However, the truth of the matter is that their entire argument is based on, "9mm and 40S&W make about the same volume of crushed jelly in a make believe block we worship, and we assert that this caues the same amount of bleeding, so 9mm and 40S&W must be equal." This is full of logical fallacies, and unverified claims presented as facts. Most importantly, NO ONE BLEEDS FAST ENOUGH FOR BLEEDING TO UNCONSCIOUSNESS BY PISTOL ROUND TO BE THE DECIDING FACTOR IN WININING A GUN FIGHT IN SECONDS. I do get that there are some cases where gunfight was lenghty in time enough to allow someone to bleed to death, but that is an exception rather than the norm, and in many cases it involves both sides getting carried to the hospital, which is not desirable.
My position is that there are factors involved in probability of incapacitation that are still unknown or not fully exploered which the 9mm worshipers just chalks it off as "psychological surrender" in a very unscientific manner while they claim to be representing "science."
I have my own video about is subject for anyone interested.
Is this Ben coming out if the closet?
pud loaded 10mm. that's my thought on 40. 😅
and yet 98% of 10mm on the market is loaded to duplicate the 40.
@@leftyo9589 because the 10mm is underpowered. find real 10mm. big difference. basically like 357 mag.
@@leftyo9589 That's exactly why I load my own 😂
Shooting that hot defensive ammo in that light glock frame, with those dreadful sights....would be absolutely terrible. 40 in a 4 pound plus boat anchor gun, now thats the ticket.
it's 40s&w, not full fat 10mm, even in a light handgun it's very manageable.
It’s the shock he is referring too. Same shock you get if you hold a baseball bat too loose. Shooting 1000 rds a week, you feel the difference.
40 is an abomination. The FBI blamed 9mm for their training and tactics issues and adopted 10mm, a bear defense round. 40 was an attempt to make it usable and avoid admitting they made a mistake. You get more recoil and less capacity for no benefit.
In all fairness, 9mm does seem to ‘lack’ something ballistically, and going to a larger round for some extra oomph might make sense, in theory. But, I think 40 was destined to fail from it’s inception, being a bastardized version of 10mm and all.
I think someone who is pretty skilled would actually be able to handle a 10mm, and use it quite effectively, but then we are back to the training and tactics point.
@@user-sc2ye2rj6g all non magnum handgun rounds are going to lack lethality. It's not hard to find examples where someone survived multiple shots from most calibers. The real lesson to the Miami shooting should have been, don't bring a handgun to a rifle fight. I like 10mm, it has its purpose. 40 doesn't and with duty and ccw pistols, capacity trumps the power of the cartridge every time.
@user-sc2ye2rj6g I shot full power 10mm in carry optics 😂 fireballs for everyone! You get a fireball and YOU get a fireball! I was like Oprah with fireballs 😅
@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw The poor mfs wearing the clear eyepro in your squad probably regretted that decision real quickly.
@@mattwhite7421 I think you could make a pretty good argument for carrying something larger than a 9mm, but I see your point. Personally, I carry a 45, but I’m kinda a fudd so 🤷♂️