Polygraphs measure stress indicators. You know what must be pretty stressful? Being wrongly accused of doing something horrible and knowing that your body's micro-reactions could destroy your life. It's no wonder that polygraphs have led to countless false convictions and that many jurisdictions are rightfully not allowing them to be used in a legal setting.
Not even stress indicators, just normal bodily functions that are subject to change normally. The light could change, you could think about a delicious pizza place, you could fart, and it will come up as change. But does change mean lying? Hell no.
Fun fact: the creator of the lie detector actively said that his invention was false, it couldn't detect lies, but no one took him seriously. He called it his own Frankenstein's monster
As someone who immediately looks and feels guilty in any situation, one of my biggest fears is being polygraphed as I would 100% incriminate myself for whatever they happen to be asking.
Same, I would have so much anxiety, I would be telling the truth, but it would all come up as lies, which would give me even more anxiety, it's just one big cycle of anxiety
I have been a part of lie detector training for government agencies and they never tell you "that was a lie" They usually give you the test, leave the room, and then come back and say something like "we got some weird readings about some of the questions, would you like to explain what was going through your head that might have lead to those results" They never even tell you what questions they were. They want you to expose yourself and then they just keep asking if there's anything else until you stop giving information. The actual polygraph is basically just to make you scared and confess
Government agencies are untrustworthy and hostile? Almost like they don't have our best interests at heart or worse...ACTUALLY NAH ITS ALL GOOD! CAUSE I LOVE AMERICA! PLEASE DON'T MK ULTRA ME!
Yeah there's alot of cases that have been solved that like the police may or may not know more than they do, but the criminal believes they do and that they tlknow they are lying and confess. There's a pretty famous serial killer case in England where the police where taking a person to be interviewed about a missing person and they took a different route to the police station. Inadvertently drove past where the person they wanted to interview stored bodies of multiple people and he confessed in the car because he thought they knew where the bodies were and that they suspected him when they didn't at all
Well maybe that's why it was so highly commercialized. Even if it ruined many ppl lives. It got millions believing that there is a device that can detect lies
My dad failed a polygraph in the 1970's. They were trying to figure out who had been stealing from the cash register at his summer job and he was so nervous being questioned by the police that he completely failed it even though he hadn't done anything. What saved him was that the girl who worked the shift after him just completely broke down and confessed everything the second they hooked her up. Pretty much the first thing I ever remember hearing about the "lie detector" was my dad saying they were unreliable😂
As an autistic person i have been accused of lying many times for shit i didnt do just because im always a little awkward So its good to know that some guy named John gets to do that to people 'professionally'
Right?! Im not autistic but I’m super awkward and I’d 💯 fail a lie detector test. Meanwhile the REAL liars mostly will get off because they’re sociopaths and don’t care. It’s so flawed.
Oh yeah, all these techniques they always talk about in order to tell if someone is lying (body language, facial expressions, vocal tones) are always so ableist to neurodivergent people who dont usually follow these societle expectations of behavior anyway
it's the worst when I laugh bc the situation is awkward and they automatically equate that to me lying like...no I just laugh at innapropriate times and can't control my face very well🥲
Same omg, I have a semi irrational fear of being framed for a crime based on my inability to adhere to social norms. I wish communication > assumptions were commonplace
It always bothered me when there would be a lie detector test that just reads your pulse so if someone was just UNCOMFORTABLE OR NERVOUS their pulse would spike and everyone thought they were lying it’s infuriating
I always wondered if we can fool the lie detector test by asking a small question in your head. "Would I like to eat poop?" - NO! "Would I spend the night with Emma Watson?" - YES!
@Boss There is no such bullshit as "lie detectors working". ANYONE can make ANY conclusion from a polygraph. That is what UNFALSIFIABLE UNTESTABLE UNQUANTIFIABLE means. That is what PSEUDOSCIENCE means. Nobody needs to take any polygraphs seriously. And, any individual (like an employer for private or government security) who does, should be fired.
As a child I was once told that those machines by store exits detect shoplifting by measuring how nervous you are. As a kid with anxiety I immediately became nervous around those devices out of fear that I'd for some reason be nervous and be accused of shoplifting. Welcome to how anxiety works and also what would probably happen if I ever had to take a polygraph.
I’ve taken one and it’s honestly the worst thing in the world. Felt like I was being interrogated the whole time for shit I’ve never done and would never do.
I've HEARD that if your signs are totally spazzing out(like incredibly high heart ratez sweating etc.) it's possible they have to just throw the whole thing out and revert to normal interrogation tactics. Idk how true this is, and as an anxious nervous wreck I'm gonna cling to it like it's the god given gospel for as long as I can(I'd suggest the same to other anxious spazzes like myself)
Having anxiety, and taken a polygraph, yes I have failed multiple times because of anxiety. It is honestly just a horrible experience because the more you think the worse you do.
I was expecting you to hire John and have him come to your house, where you reveal you've actually become a certified polygraph technician and that he is the one to be hooked up to the polygraph machine.
The fact Shane Dawson used this guy on Bobby Burns and asked if Bobby was using Shane for views and Bobby said no and the lie detector guy said it was a lie and then they chose to keep that in the video 💔 Bobby was sabotaged
The fact that polygraphs have gone from being used to falsely accuse people of crimes to being advertised as this quirky way to detect lies. One of the things I've learned in the first few months of my intro to clinical psychology class is that there's no physiological associated with lying. It's awful that influencers and celebrities are still promoting it as a valid test. It feels like the cultural perception of polygraphs will never go away as long as people like John continue to falsely assert its validity to people who don't want to look into it themselves.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 "Not reliably" is the problem. Physiological cues are the outputs of a black box. You can't measure the inputs using only those outputs.
The more I learn about how lie detectors work, the more I realize that people with anxiety or neurodivergent people (or BOTH in my case) would be royally screwed if they had to use one.
True. My advice for people like that is avoid any career that requires a poly test (Usually governmental agencies involving special intelligence and law)
I definitely would. I hate medical equipment and I know technically it’s kind of not but also kind of is… look I’ve been attached to many wires in my lifetime and hated it, no way I could pass a lie test with a blood pressure cuff on me, I hate those things.
I remember when Shane Dawson brought Bobby Burns to this guy and I was so irritated bc they asked questions like "are you just here for money?" "Are you using Shane for views?" And other stuff like that and when he would say no, the guy said it was a lie. But the machine basically reads your anxiety level and Bobby at the time was a very obviously anxious person so there's no way, even if polygraphs worked for lie detecting, that you could test someone who is just anxious at their baseline. Especially with how much they're all moving around and chatting with 8 other people in the room all making jokes.
i remember that and i haaaaated it, especially afterwards with the way that shane's audience hated bobby bc of those results and nobody involved seemed to ever come to his defense. i feel like it was a huge factor on why people turned on him so badly and it frustrated me sooo much.
@@catscatsca same!! i'll never forgive shane for the way he had him uproot his life just to promptly throw him to the wolves (and also for the laundry list of other egregious shit he's done lmao)
I remember when Bobby Burns was chill and not having a TH-cam identity crisis every 2-3 years. Hope he’s doing well and not addicted to crack, like I predicted might happen rn like 4 years ago
So basically the only people guaranteed to pass a polygraph are people who are completely comfortable with whatever they’re saying… and since we know that plenty of people are very comfortable with lying…… and there are plenty of people who are uncomfortable just being asked questions while hooked up to a machine in general……….,
Pretty much. Thats how the Green River Killer (the serial killer with 40+ victims) passed a lie detector about whether he was the Green River Killer mid way through his victims. The cops were like "well you passed, so it cant be you! Bye!"
honestly my biggest takeaway from this video is that the world’s most famous extra would’ve been a really fascinating documentary it’s a shame it was never released
Oh, and DNA evidence can also be bunk when it's run against large databases. It's only useful to compare against suspects that you already have narrowed down to the crime. If you run DNA evidence against a large database it gets lots of hits. LOTS of hits. The markers we measure are not as unique as most people believe.
@@hommefataltaemin Sergio Cruz is correct it’s the video Film Theory: What is the Taste of a Liar? Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Meme) the time stamp is 8:50. I even found a comment I made on the video lol. But it came out 3 years ago so no wonder the memory was so vague. He doesn’t actually mention John specifically but I’m pretty sure that, that is the memory I had especially since a lot of lie detector videos are from around 3 years ago
Since you didn't mention this one. The television show "Psych" has an episode with a polygraph and Shawn is able to "beat the machine" by regulating his breathing. There's a whole side plot showing how his dad taught him to do it.
Always thought it was fishy that he was always the guy doing the polygraph test for everyone. My reaction was "oh it's the guy that was in the Try Guys video!" and "Oh, it's him again..."
This polygraph thing reminds me of all those "body language experts" that claim people are lying or whatever.. and I always notice how 99% of the 'distrustful' behaviours are super common for neurodivergent people. 'avoiding eye contact, fidgeting, stuttering, nervous laughs' ect.. it's ALWAYS bugged me. People used me as a scapegoat all the time as a kid because they knew no one would believe my nervous ADHD ass.
And then the "if you're not lying then why are you getting so worked up?" Like BRUH you're accusing me of lying and as a kid that often meant getting in trouble
For body language, it is required to first learn the person's habits or study over a long period of time. Also, you cannot use a single indicator alone. They are supposed to be compounded together to figure out best portability of what the body is saying.
@@qaraganda2885 Hahaha it's basically the opposite for me. When I've gotten falsely accused of stuff, my genuine reaction is to just laugh at their accusations because they're usually so ridiculous and preposterous and so unlike anything I would do that the entire scenario that gets proposed just seems like some big joke. But unfortunately... a huge chunk of the population... somewhere, somehow, picks up the association that smiling = lying. Laughing at utterly ridiculous accusations = lying. "I know you're lying because you're smiling". It's like wtf? If I was trying to lie, why wouldn't I try to act as serious as possible since you literally just admitted to me that "seriousness" is what convinces you?
That's why relying on body language or physiology for lying is so tricky... not everyone responds the same way there's NO way to be completely objective. There's been so many times I was anxious, upset, or lying and had no outward reaction (no sweating, rapid heart rate, unsteady breathing) but those things DO happen when I tell the truth, if it's a flustering question or answer!! Lying can actually be very easy, but having a reaction to the truth is just as damning 😭
Tester: "have you ever cheated on your wife" Me: (thinks back to some time watching anime and how I love (insert wifu) and thought she was pretty or whatever) "Uhh No" Tester: "that was a lie"
I think about the Amber Heard case she wasn't sweating or acting nervous at all she was arrogant and confident but we all know she was lying purely because nothing she said made any sense and the evidence was against her I don't think the test would have picked up on her at all because she is so manipulative she actually believes she is in the right so it doesn't matter if she lies to get her way
One of the worst things about polygraphs for me is when people are told to take them right after losing a loved one (for example someone's partner is murdered and they're told to take a polygraph so they can be cleared of the crime) That person's emotional state will be all over the damn place and it's caused innocent people to become suspects or worse because of it. Also, some murderers don't give a shit about their crimes and can EASILY pass polygraphs. The Podcast Crime Junkie goes into detail about it in some episodes. It gets me so mad that polygraphs are still seen as legitimate
@@godlyvex5543 I mean I'm sure it _has_ at some point. But it's still extremely ridiculous and I can't imagine it woulf be a huge trend. Who would cooperate with something like that after you lose a loved one?
Yeah, being neurodivergent can totally make polygraph tests more difficult. I had to take one as part of a job interview, but they had to retest me multiple times because it's hard for me to stay still and not get anxious. They even coached me on how to keep my thoughts from jumping all over the place, since that affected my body responses.
The "do you use illegal drugs" story is kind of in the same ball park of the issue I have with this method of detecting lies. Because you can still be telling the truth, but be stressed out about the possibility of the machine falsely accusing you of lying which then could cause it to do just that. "Did you commit this murder?"... no, but now I'm nervous because this could land me in jail if the machine says I'm lying.
As far as I'm aware, "lie detector" test results are inadmissible in court because they don't have enough of a scientific basis and you could lie and pass, or be truthful and fail. Not sure about whether what the questioned person said during a "lie detector" test would be admissible, though. I guess the "trick" is to not allow people who might want to charge you with anything hook you to one of these.
If I was under suspicion for a murder and was hooked up to a machine, my stress levels (which is what these machines truly test for) would be through the roof. I’d probably be even more stressed if I was innocent.
When someone accuses me of lying even though I’m telling the truth, I always smile like an idiot even if it’s not something to smile about so this would absolutely destroy me
my father is the "new guy" on the new vanity fair videos after they fired john, he's brought up many points behind the scenes. im sure hed love to talk to you about how much he also hates this guy!!
I hope he sees this! I would love to hear from your father! Especially answer some of the comments in the comment section about people who have anxiety disorders and if that could have a false positive. This would be especially interesting for me as I have a disorder call Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome or POTS, where I have boughs of low blood pressure and high heart rate. Even just sitting in a chair doing nothing my vitals can change drastically do to the damage in my autonomic nervous systems. Or if someone have Tourette’s syndrome and couldn’t sit still for the test? What would happen in these scenarios?
Any updates on if you were able to contact Scott? Would love to have a follow up with your dad’s input… although I’m not sure if Vanity Fair would like their current lie detector guy to openly criticize their former guy. Would be interesting though.
I feel like I would fail at least a few hard-hitting questions. Childhood trauma has made me overly defensive of things that are 100% true because I was never believed as a kid, so I feel like I have to over-explain, provide even a shred of physical evidence, qualify my statement with other true things, etc. It's so mentally exhausting, and that machine would take my nervousness of wanting to BE believed as a possible lie. Ugh, these shouldn't be used in any legal sense.
As he said and probably 100 ppl in the comments, they arent admissable in court. On the other hand of yr problem, theres emotionless psychos who could lie and pass the test easy
@@desensitized I was simply stating they never should be used in any legal sense, I'm not saying they are. By extension they should also not be used for anything even remotely serious.
For me it’s not related to trauma, I just get overly defensive whenever someone accuses me of lying. I don’t know how they want me to react to prove I am telling the truth. So many times as a kid my parents would ask me a question I would answer truthfully then they would say they thought I was lying and then I would get all flustered. And then they would take me getting all flustered as further proof that I was lying. I’m flustered because you’re accusing me of lying for no reason. And often I will smile and laugh when accused (idk why that’s just how my body reacts to being accused of lying) and my parents think that’s a sign I’m lying too. The other day my dad asked if I had tried some food before, I can’t remember what it was but it was something really common that I’ve had tons of times before. I said yes, and he said I was lying. I then started laughing because I couldn’t believe he even thought I was lying because obviously I had eaten it many times before, it’s super common. But then he used my laughter as proof that I was lying and left being satisfied in knowing I was lying and had never eaten it. But I have eaten it many times! I feel like my reactions are reversed. People never believe me when I’m telling the truth but they always believe me when I’m lying.
As a neurodivergent person, lie detectors sound horrible... I'm constantly stimming and have tics so the lie detector would just read everything I say as "LIE LIE LIE" no matter what the truth was!
That's _not_ really how Polygraphs work. The machine records a baseline for questions that are known to be true. So even if you are nervous, if your nervousness is the baseline, anything that *deviates* from the baseline _could_ be an indicator as to whether you are telling a lie or not. The caveat is, there is no objective way to definitively tell is someone is fibbing or not, but this machine can be used to give more weight towards existing bias as to someone is telling a lie or not.
@@watema3381 I think they mean they would be nervous the whole time and likely be moving/twitching therefore the polygraph would be unreadable (not that it actually measures anything significant anyway).
One of the biggest things I never understood about the polygraph was what happens if a man recites to himself a full story of half truths and weaved in lies to a true scene and instead of really telling a truth or a lie, just recited what he told himself happened over and over. Or what about a man who looses his cool at the sight of investigators and big machines they're practically strapped to needing to answer. I feel it would be very easy to misconstrue the data even in a very professional setting.
The most nefarious of these lie detector videos the Shane Dawson one where he tests his “hater.” They ask if he’s just using Shane and John says he’s lying when Bobby says he’s not. This launched a wave of harassment and hate against him and tanked his entire YT career, even though Shane was the one who came to him, offered him fame, surprised him a with a CAR and said he could work for him. It was all him, it makes no sense Bobby would have been using Shane when it was all Shane’s idea. Instead of coming to his defense, telling people to back off, it’s just a video, he said and did nothing and quietly allowed him to get bullied off YT, after getting him to pick up his whole life and move to LA. It’s still one of the most messed up things Shane has done, which is saying something. So…good job, John! Much entertainment! Good thing no has gotten hurt, ammaright?
Lawyer here. Polygraph tests CAN be admissible in evidence in some* jurisdictions, but only as corroborative evidence, just like how the rules on hearsay evidence have exceptions. Other pieces of evidence must still prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt in criminal proceedings, or preponderance of evidence in civil proceedings.
Just like with statistical evidence, not only must the baseline the statistics were made from be accurate and not subjective, they also have to be used alongside actual evidence. Otherwise you put someone in prison because the probability of two handlebar mustached black men with a silver watch, a description you got from a elderly woman and not a camera, existing within the same city is low. Like no, that is not proof this person did this act, coincidences and randomness happen, and when boiled down like that probabilities are always low.
@@stickitydoodah It's great! I ended up buying the original, the "Eden," and a body pillow. This is why Scott has now convinced me to get my own lie detector guy. He hasn't steered me wrong yet.
@@Joy.W. I really like it, it's soft and supportive and I put it in the dryer every couple of weeks to refluff it. it was expensive but definitely worth it
As someone with severe anxiety the idea of being forced to take a lie detector test is horrifying. I have these reactions the test picks up just because I feel a little indigestion, never mind being put into a situation where my every word and reaction is judged by a stranger. I could absolutely land myself in hot water just being hooked up to one of those things and asked a very simple question. "Did you eat breakfast today?" My heart rate spikes, I start to sweat, my hands shake, i struggle to speak-
Oh dude. There is NO SHOT that you put this video out without him responding in some way. He seems like the type to go after people who naysay him. Regardless, banger video. I bet it ends up being one of your biggest.
I looked up where they are legal in the U.S. and I found this: "As of today, 23 states still consider polygraph tests to be admissible in court. However, the majority of those states require the approval of both parties before they can be submitted. Also, in most cases, the polygraph test is not being used in a criminal case, but rather in civil court, such as if there was an issue that prevented a person from getting a job or gaining security clearance." However, I could not find a straightforward list of all jurisdictions that allow them and the specifics so you'll have to look that up for your own county.
The thing with lie detectors isn't that they're easy to beat, it's that they're hard. The amount of false positives is way higher then the amount of false negatives. Also, correlation doesn't equal causation.
1:21 ok you might not believe this but I know about helix because of your adds and I convinced my dad to get one because he needed a new mattress. And he loves it! I also got his spare pillow and it’s amazing. I use it every night. He got a toss and turn mattress for heavy people and he loves it too. The first night he said that he got the best sleep in a long while. ❤
My mom once took a polygraph for a job, and she was so nervous that it came back with the results that she was *lying about her identity.* Like, her name and age? Not correct according to that test. She doesn't take lie detectors seriously now, lol. And as someone with clinical anxiety myself, I'd probably fail one too!!
Im sorry to say this, even though polygraphs are mostly a scam, the questions like name and age are control questions, and are used to determine what is "true". So your mom probably lied to you.
@@-Teague- Yes, that would be included in the "mostly a scam" part. This does not change the fact that name and age are control question to establish a baseline for the test.
@@Oratory1989 even though it’s a base question, it doesn’t really matter. She was probably nervous that she was getting polygraph for work (that will make anyone nervous) the type of environment she’s in (familiar or not), etc. It’s really based on the persons anxiety levels and how stressed and nervous they are. People lie and can be calm, people tell the truth and can be freaking out.
@@kierramurkins6772 And thats why the tests are bad. and thats why known truths are used as baseline, if you are nervous, that will be noted on the baselinequestions as well, and will be used as the baseline. I understand that you have no knowledge of how these tests work other than that they are bad and should not be used. and i agree on that part, not only can they be incorrect when you are telling the truth, you can also lie and have it show up as a truth. If you are actually interested in how they work, you can google it and learn something. Always take some of it with a grain of salt though, you will probably find some info claiming it works better than it does.
Won't you tell us some more about that? How did that action make you feel? What effect did that action have one your surroundings? Did you kill someone? 👀
I remember i first saw him in Offline TV, things were tense back then bc it said something about everybody having fantasies about one of the members who ended up being kicked out for sexual harassment
same i always kinda forget how much i love his videos so i let about five or six new releases stack up and then just binge all the ones i missed (plus a few i’ve already seen 10 times)
As an autistic person with anxiety and trauma, I've always despised those "foolproof" ways of detecting liars. Like bro, of course my pulse is high, I have multiple anxiety disorders, my heart will start racing for no fucking reason. And of course I'm struggling to make eye contact, I've been touched by the 'tisms.
I'm just thinking about that Brooklyn 99 episode where they are interrogating the dentist and he was so calm and smug the whole time I immediately felt like he was guilty like it's not normal not to be nervous when your being put on the spot for anything especially something life altering like a crime even if your 100% innocent. I know it's just a show but I have seen similar behaviour from criminals on trial and even narcissists in my life
I went down a similar rabbithole when I started wondering about John's credentials so this is a video I've always wanted but never knew who would actually go ahead and do it; kudos to Scott for doing the work!
Ever since I was a little kid who learnt lie detectors, I have been terrified of them. I have been terrified of the idea I would be hooked up to one at a police station, they’d ask me if I murdered someone, I obviously say no, and then the lie detector says I’m lying because I have terrible anxiety. They can’t use that in court but they can make me a suspect and start investigating me. Like I’m pretty sure them just asking me if I’ve done something illegal would make my heart rate spike even though I know I haven’t. Just the pressure of the question makes me anxious. And a polygraph test basically measures a spike in anxiety, well the physical symptoms anxiety causes because lying makes you anxious. But being asked if you murdered someone also makes me anxious. So I’m pretty sure if the police ever interview me for anything I’m going to end up incriminating myself even when I’m totally innocent and they weren’t even suspicious of me in the first place.
@@vogelvrouwI mean since it was always for TH-cam videos it was always clearly about making content so no one should take it seriously. Lie detectors are like ouija boards, for entertainment purposes only
I can’t even pass a blood pressure test cause I get too nervous about failing it, if I had to take a lie detector test I’d just die. Edit: the replies to this made me feel so seen🥲 I never knew this was common thing or that it had a name. Thanks for all the tips too, I wish a doctor had told me this before❤️
Exactly! My blood pressure reading is high most of the time because I get anxiety in medical offices. Staff generally knows that happens though. Sometimes they insist on re-measuring because it’s so bad 😂
My dad had horrible white coat syndrome too. It can help to take a little walk and have something to drink before your appointment. It can be hard to accurately monitor your blood pressure when that happens, and it could indicate that your blood pressure spikes at other times of stress, so it might be worth talking to your doc about taking a low dose slow release med. Good luck ❤
I ALWAYS have to get my blood pressure re-taken and it's literally always normal the second time, after the doctor has talked me down a bit lol. I know the anxiety is caused by knowing that high blood pressure runs in my family. Talk about a self fulfilling prophecy
@@Rickyp0123 Me too! It’s called “white coat syndrome”. People can get misdiagnosed with hypertension because their blood pressure reads as elevated, even though it’s just anxiety.
I love how Scott’s videos are either about something so nostalgic that I’m very familiar with or something so cutting-edge u have no idea what’s going on but I’m excited to learn. No in between.
honestly the fact he was on so many reality TV/talk shows had me skeptical from the beginning. then I saw he was on maury and dr phill and that was the nail in the coffin lol
The fact that he's an ENTERTAINMENT "lie detector guy" has always told me it was bunk. (apart from my knowledge of "lie detectors" being utter nonsense).
I'm so glad this is finally being talked about! I find it absolutely infuriating that lie detectors are seen as fact in crime shows and entertainment when it is pretty much pseudo-science. It's really unfortunate that because of the normalization of lie detectors, a lot of people still believe it's legitimate.
A lie detector and a body language reader being enough to accuse and convict anyone of any crime, regardless any other circumstances, would make for an interesting dystopian setup, I think.
I feel like he is fully aware and open to the truth that it's all fake, but he is just riding the money track while he can. I think eventually he will stop getting business when the trend dies and come clean that it was fake 😂
never heard of you before but man this was one of the most entertaining videos i've ever seen, very funny, very informative and now one of my fav youtubers now
I remember you mention polygraphs briefly, saying “they’ll get the truth out of you” as though you had done one. Glad to see a follow up to the topic since I always wondered.
I really appreciate Scot giving us regular updates on how close they are to catching that guy who was at the crime scene on October 16th. Glad to see they are closing in!
I have been WAITING for so long for someone to deep dive into this ever since I noticed he was the only one making lie detector videos. Thank you for you service
Been listening to a lot of crime podcasts and it's hilarious how most hosts state that they don't believe in Polygraph tests BUT WILL SHAME A PERSON for refusing it (for knowing that it's fake) . The weird hold this faulty test has on crime investigation is really strong.
I would like to mention that polygraphs are also inherently ableist. The idea of "to pass a polygraph you must follow this specific expected behavior" and it measuring bodily functions that in many people don't function the same way in the first place. If Scott himself failed a polygraph just from getting anxious about a question imagine what it would be like for an autistic person, or someone with anxiety, ect.
Yeah, I remember hearing about how back in the day they would bring kids in who had mental illnesses and they would be scared of the machines and it would effect there results, but of course the people taking them didn’t care.
And the people who are undiagnosed who can't even be like "by the way my behavior will be unexpected due to x" becausre they either don't even know or can't get the official diagnosis due to healthcare issues as at least some form of defense
I’m terrified of these, I have a reactive nervous system which means literally anything triggers my adrenaline, heart rate and blood pressure to go crazy (including normal levels of anxiety and nerves) so I’d go in a little anxious and fail everything no matter what lmao
I feel like the biggest thing that makes lie detectors problematic is that people have different responses to telling the truth and lying. I remember growing up whenever I got talked to be adults and questioned I would find my heart racing and sweat forming when I told the complete and honest truth because I was nervous they wouldn't believe me, or the consequences of telling the truth; then I would feel totally calm telling some lies in similar circumstances because I thought it mattered less or knew it sounded more plausible then the truth. Heart rate and perspiration have no consistent relationship with truth telling because people are different and have different responses to stress inducing factors.
Damn, i just love this guy. Scott is just so charismatic and funny, i am running when i see, that he has posted a new video, always. Just amazing content.
When i was younger i always thought thtere was some shady stuff about the lie detector guy, every video I've watched about lie detecting it was always him and i was wondering why its the same person and not a different guy, thank you so much for making this video Scott!❤
I haven't watched yet, but I've been waiting for someone to expose this dude for so long. He's like the most prolific charlatan on TH-cam but nobody even knows his name.
I've taken multiple polygraph tests (they're a requirement to get hired in my career) and yeah...they're nothing like what they show on TV/TH-cam. The tester asks you a ton of questions about a particular topic, like crimes you've committed, while you're not hooked up to anything. Then you sit in the chair and they attach all the wires and ask you "did you lie about any of your answers in our interview." And that's it. The actual polygraph is pretty short. Also, you can't move - like at all. If you shift your weight or wiggle your toes, they can tell. One time the guy told me I was bobbing my head too much when I spoke! You have to be perfectly still or it's basically useless. Edit: I commented this before watching the whole video and my experience was basically exactly like Scott's!
you can watch polygraph tests from actual police interrogations on youtube and that isn’t how they do it lol. they ask you every question while you’re hooked up
I cant imagine taking one of these tests with purposefully incriminating questions… I have anxiety and anytime I am asked a simple question, my heart races- even if it’s just “what’s your name?” They’d think I was guilty no matter what.
I similarly was applying for a job that involved interacting with the sheriff's office one-time and was going to be polygraphed for it. I had done several of the things they listed including but not limited to using drugs and making homemade explosive devices, but I had heard you could take them so I googled how to in the parking lot, follow the instructions during the test, and passed with flying colors. They're really not difficult to fool and anyone who is convicted based on a polygraph has been royally fucked over.
Polygraphs measure stress indicators. You know what must be pretty stressful? Being wrongly accused of doing something horrible and knowing that your body's micro-reactions could destroy your life. It's no wonder that polygraphs have led to countless false convictions and that many jurisdictions are rightfully not allowing them to be used in a legal setting.
Exactly.
Not even stress indicators, just normal bodily functions that are subject to change normally. The light could change, you could think about a delicious pizza place, you could fart, and it will come up as change. But does change mean lying? Hell no.
I can't take one. I have too much anxiety.
i was thinking about exactly this
@@billbill6094 To be fair, if the polygraph had nostrils…
Fun fact: the creator of the lie detector actively said that his invention was false, it couldn't detect lies, but no one took him seriously. He called it his own Frankenstein's monster
Sounds like the guy that invented the Labradoodle.
And the guy who wrote jaws
He was also the creator of Wonder Woman
@@henryrutherford-braun9859 what-
he was also in a poly relationship with 2 dom women who he based wonder woman on.
As someone who immediately looks and feels guilty in any situation, one of my biggest fears is being polygraphed as I would 100% incriminate myself for whatever they happen to be asking.
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Never take one!! Lawyer always
Same, I would have so much anxiety, I would be telling the truth, but it would all come up as lies, which would give me even more anxiety, it's just one big cycle of anxiety
@@bellaknightR597 Same. I can have "lie reactions" saying my name and birthday to the pharmacist 😭😂
I have been a part of lie detector training for government agencies and they never tell you "that was a lie" They usually give you the test, leave the room, and then come back and say something like "we got some weird readings about some of the questions, would you like to explain what was going through your head that might have lead to those results" They never even tell you what questions they were. They want you to expose yourself and then they just keep asking if there's anything else until you stop giving information. The actual polygraph is basically just to make you scared and confess
I hate when government agencies make me expose myself
Government agencies are untrustworthy and hostile? Almost like they don't have our best interests at heart or worse...ACTUALLY NAH ITS ALL GOOD! CAUSE I LOVE AMERICA! PLEASE DON'T MK ULTRA ME!
Makes sense
Yeah there's alot of cases that have been solved that like the police may or may not know more than they do, but the criminal believes they do and that they tlknow they are lying and confess.
There's a pretty famous serial killer case in England where the police where taking a person to be interviewed about a missing person and they took a different route to the police station. Inadvertently drove past where the person they wanted to interview stored bodies of multiple people and he confessed in the car because he thought they knew where the bodies were and that they suspected him when they didn't at all
Well maybe that's why it was so highly commercialized. Even if it ruined many ppl lives. It got millions believing that there is a device that can detect lies
My dad failed a polygraph in the 1970's. They were trying to figure out who had been stealing from the cash register at his summer job and he was so nervous being questioned by the police that he completely failed it even though he hadn't done anything. What saved him was that the girl who worked the shift after him just completely broke down and confessed everything the second they hooked her up. Pretty much the first thing I ever remember hearing about the "lie detector" was my dad saying they were unreliable😂
As an autistic person i have been accused of lying many times for shit i didnt do just because im always a little awkward
So its good to know that some guy named John gets to do that to people 'professionally'
Right?! Im not autistic but I’m super awkward and I’d 💯 fail a lie detector test. Meanwhile the REAL liars mostly will get off because they’re sociopaths and don’t care. It’s so flawed.
Oh yeah, all these techniques they always talk about in order to tell if someone is lying (body language, facial expressions, vocal tones) are always so ableist to neurodivergent people who dont usually follow these societle expectations of behavior anyway
it's the worst when I laugh bc the situation is awkward and they automatically equate that to me lying like...no I just laugh at innapropriate times and can't control my face very well🥲
Same! My family always tells me I look like I’m about to steal when we’re in stores cause I just look so anxious
Same omg, I have a semi irrational fear of being framed for a crime based on my inability to adhere to social norms. I wish communication > assumptions were commonplace
It always bothered me when there would be a lie detector test that just reads your pulse so if someone was just UNCOMFORTABLE OR NERVOUS their pulse would spike and everyone thought they were lying it’s infuriating
I always wondered if we can fool the lie detector test by asking a small question in your head.
"Would I like to eat poop?" - NO!
"Would I spend the night with Emma Watson?" - YES!
@Boss There is no such bullshit as "lie detectors working". ANYONE can make ANY conclusion from a polygraph. That is what UNFALSIFIABLE UNTESTABLE UNQUANTIFIABLE means. That is what PSEUDOSCIENCE means. Nobody needs to take any polygraphs seriously. And, any individual (like an employer for private or government security) who does, should be fired.
@@Reth_HardBuzzfeed did a video on this a few years ago. Not sure how accurate it is tho
Shut up npc
@@lindseym6034 he's in that video! A clip from it shows up at 7:17 this man is inescapable
The fact that lie detectors were ever allowed in court as evidence is…mildly disturbing.
Mildly? This guy's been proven to be corrupt. Imagine someone paying him to put someone in jail and he goes through with it! Yikes.
They're inadmissible...
@@iancormier7550 Did you read this comment or watch the video?
I raise you the fact that getting a clearance requires a polygraph test.
I would call it highly disturbing honestly
As a child I was once told that those machines by store exits detect shoplifting by measuring how nervous you are. As a kid with anxiety I immediately became nervous around those devices out of fear that I'd for some reason be nervous and be accused of shoplifting.
Welcome to how anxiety works and also what would probably happen if I ever had to take a polygraph.
I'm the same way with airports! I'm convinced that they have some kind of sensor to detect nervousness.
John: I hate Liars!!!
Also John: It reads lies 100% accurately 💀
Bro hates himself 💀
Nahh
@@IAmTheRealUsopperGoddamnit He's just like us for real.
@@necromancer6405🥺
John: "God hates liars!"
All of humanity: lies
God hates us all!
Being forced to take a lie detector is like a weird fear of mine bc i have anxiety and im like fully afraid they're gonna think im always lying
Yes! Me too! That needle would be going wild!!!!
I think that idea of being forced to take a polygraph test would evoke fear for most people. Not really that weird.
I’ve taken one and it’s honestly the worst thing in the world. Felt like I was being interrogated the whole time for shit I’ve never done and would never do.
I've HEARD that if your signs are totally spazzing out(like incredibly high heart ratez sweating etc.) it's possible they have to just throw the whole thing out and revert to normal interrogation tactics.
Idk how true this is, and as an anxious nervous wreck I'm gonna cling to it like it's the god given gospel for as long as I can(I'd suggest the same to other anxious spazzes like myself)
Having anxiety, and taken a polygraph, yes I have failed multiple times because of anxiety. It is honestly just a horrible experience because the more you think the worse you do.
I was expecting you to hire John and have him come to your house, where you reveal you've actually become a certified polygraph technician and that he is the one to be hooked up to the polygraph machine.
Oh my fucking god this idea is so absurdly hilarious
I havent finished the video but I'm so disappointed now... nothing can be as good as I just read lol
👍 true
The fact Shane Dawson used this guy on Bobby Burns and asked if Bobby was using Shane for views and Bobby said no and the lie detector guy said it was a lie and then they chose to keep that in the video 💔 Bobby was sabotaged
THISSS
Yeah because they get to choose what he says lol
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People still watches shane?
Or that they made it seem like he wanted to kill Shane. "Do you wanna kill my son" NO! "LIE"
The fact that polygraphs have gone from being used to falsely accuse people of crimes to being advertised as this quirky way to detect lies. One of the things I've learned in the first few months of my intro to clinical psychology class is that there's no physiological associated with lying. It's awful that influencers and celebrities are still promoting it as a valid test. It feels like the cultural perception of polygraphs will never go away as long as people like John continue to falsely assert its validity to people who don't want to look into it themselves.
Are you really sure there aren't? Maybe not reliably
@@thewhitefalcon8539 "Not reliably" is the problem. Physiological cues are the outputs of a black box. You can't measure the inputs using only those outputs.
@@thewhitefalcon8539the guy who made polygraphs genuinely hated them. They're not even remotely accurate
The more I learn about how lie detectors work, the more I realize that people with anxiety or neurodivergent people (or BOTH in my case) would be royally screwed if they had to use one.
Hence why you can opt out in the few places that still think it works.
True. My advice for people like that is avoid any career that requires a poly test (Usually governmental agencies involving special intelligence and law)
I definitely would. I hate medical equipment and I know technically it’s kind of not but also kind of is… look I’ve been attached to many wires in my lifetime and hated it, no way I could pass a lie test with a blood pressure cuff on me, I hate those things.
as someone who not only has autism and an irregular heartrate, i’d be SO SCREWED
Exactly i have anxiety & panic attacks. My readings would be all over the place right off the bat just from asking my name lol
I remember when Shane Dawson brought Bobby Burns to this guy and I was so irritated bc they asked questions like "are you just here for money?" "Are you using Shane for views?" And other stuff like that and when he would say no, the guy said it was a lie. But the machine basically reads your anxiety level and Bobby at the time was a very obviously anxious person so there's no way, even if polygraphs worked for lie detecting, that you could test someone who is just anxious at their baseline. Especially with how much they're all moving around and chatting with 8 other people in the room all making jokes.
i remember that and i haaaaated it, especially afterwards with the way that shane's audience hated bobby bc of those results and nobody involved seemed to ever come to his defense. i feel like it was a huge factor on why people turned on him so badly and it frustrated me sooo much.
@@supaara hella! I watched Bobby before all that and I just remember being like "wtf is going ON"
@@catscatsca same!! i'll never forgive shane for the way he had him uproot his life just to promptly throw him to the wolves (and also for the laundry list of other egregious shit he's done lmao)
I remember when Bobby Burns was chill and not having a TH-cam identity crisis every 2-3 years. Hope he’s doing well and not addicted to crack, like I predicted might happen rn like 4 years ago
yeah and bobby has lil ticks that would obviously indicated Everything as false no matter what question
We need john to take the lie detector test
He takes the test in AMPs video
With any of his kids in the audience alongside him....
A real one
I think someone did one on him. Look it up
Ever since he administered one to Kris Jenner about Kim's porno and he said she wasn't lying I was convinced he's full of poo poo lmao.
Scott trying discredit lie detectors bc he is obviously planning a crime.
You can’t prove that
@@ScottCramer no but John can
@@rainydaysstudio5471 John the Lie Detector Guy
@@ScottCramer not without an anxiety detector… I mean lie detector
@@ScottCramerbut we can support it.
So basically the only people guaranteed to pass a polygraph are people who are completely comfortable with whatever they’re saying… and since we know that plenty of people are very comfortable with lying…… and there are plenty of people who are uncomfortable just being asked questions while hooked up to a machine in general……….,
Pretty much. Thats how the Green River Killer (the serial killer with 40+ victims) passed a lie detector about whether he was the Green River Killer mid way through his victims. The cops were like "well you passed, so it cant be you! Bye!"
yeah it would be completely useless for genuine psychopaths
honestly my biggest takeaway from this video is that the world’s most famous extra would’ve been a really fascinating documentary it’s a shame it was never released
The second someone uses a polygraph, I immediately think, "Oh, we're just throwing logic out the window, ok."
witch trial vibes, just make something up until you get the result you want or someone else paid you to achieve
Exactly!! How in the world do some people still think these are accurate?!
Corny npc
Let me tell you about fingerprints and drug dogs, then....
Oh, and DNA evidence can also be bunk when it's run against large databases. It's only useful to compare against suspects that you already have narrowed down to the crime. If you run DNA evidence against a large database it gets lots of hits. LOTS of hits. The markers we measure are not as unique as most people believe.
I vaguely recall matpat mentioning this once upon a time, and I’ve been WAITING for someone to make a full video about it.
Same I just remembered Trisha on frenemies saying he was fake and just asks what you want him to say.
What context did matpat talk about it in? :o do you remember ??
@@hommefataltaemin I BELIEVE it was the jojo’s bizarre adventure film theory, where he talks about whether you can taste a lie
@@hommefataltaemin no clue unfortunately.
@@hommefataltaemin Sergio Cruz is correct it’s the video Film Theory: What is the Taste of a Liar? Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Meme) the time stamp is 8:50. I even found a comment I made on the video lol. But it came out 3 years ago so no wonder the memory was so vague.
He doesn’t actually mention John specifically but I’m pretty sure that, that is the memory I had especially since a lot of lie detector videos are from around 3 years ago
Since you didn't mention this one. The television show "Psych" has an episode with a polygraph and Shawn is able to "beat the machine" by regulating his breathing. There's a whole side plot showing how his dad taught him to do it.
This is all I could think about when he brought up the pin in the shoe thing! Was hoping there was someone else here who’d watched Psych!
@@sassycatenthusiast Us Psychos are few and far between anymore!
Yo I haven't thought about that show in ages! It was so good!
I thought of this too!
I was just about to comment that! loved that episode omg
“I hate liars” *makes entire career out of technology that is literally a lie*
Always thought it was fishy that he was always the guy doing the polygraph test for everyone. My reaction was "oh it's the guy that was in the Try Guys video!" and "Oh, it's him again..."
This polygraph thing reminds me of all those "body language experts" that claim people are lying or whatever.. and I always notice how 99% of the 'distrustful' behaviours are super common for neurodivergent people.
'avoiding eye contact, fidgeting, stuttering, nervous laughs' ect.. it's ALWAYS bugged me.
People used me as a scapegoat all the time as a kid because they knew no one would believe my nervous ADHD ass.
And then the "if you're not lying then why are you getting so worked up?" Like BRUH you're accusing me of lying and as a kid that often meant getting in trouble
For body language, it is required to first learn the person's habits or study over a long period of time. Also, you cannot use a single indicator alone. They are supposed to be compounded together to figure out best portability of what the body is saying.
Those people are so irritating omg
@@mechanomics2649 Munecat is an amazing creator
@@qaraganda2885 Hahaha it's basically the opposite for me. When I've gotten falsely accused of stuff, my genuine reaction is to just laugh at their accusations because they're usually so ridiculous and preposterous and so unlike anything I would do that the entire scenario that gets proposed just seems like some big joke.
But unfortunately... a huge chunk of the population... somewhere, somehow, picks up the association that smiling = lying. Laughing at utterly ridiculous accusations = lying.
"I know you're lying because you're smiling".
It's like wtf? If I was trying to lie, why wouldn't I try to act as serious as possible since you literally just admitted to me that "seriousness" is what convinces you?
I feel personally attacked for getting ready to type "not admissible as evidence" and more specifically "...in Ocean's 13..."
I love your videos!
You related to Andy?
I was definitely not scrolling down to comment the same thing.
@@NoSpoonsAllowed The Swedish-German ?
+@@SaintHishman Who are y'all referencing?
That's why relying on body language or physiology for lying is so tricky... not everyone responds the same way there's NO way to be completely objective. There's been so many times I was anxious, upset, or lying and had no outward reaction (no sweating, rapid heart rate, unsteady breathing) but those things DO happen when I tell the truth, if it's a flustering question or answer!! Lying can actually be very easy, but having a reaction to the truth is just as damning 😭
also yeah the thing abt him being on TV and youtube, man definitely dabbles in sensationalism
Tester: "have you ever cheated on your wife"
Me: (thinks back to some time watching anime and how I love (insert wifu) and thought she was pretty or whatever)
"Uhh No"
Tester: "that was a lie"
Dude right?? When you're screaming inside??
I think about the Amber Heard case she wasn't sweating or acting nervous at all she was arrogant and confident but we all know she was lying purely because nothing she said made any sense and the evidence was against her I don't think the test would have picked up on her at all because she is so manipulative she actually believes she is in the right so it doesn't matter if she lies to get her way
There is NO SUCH THING as "body language".
One of the worst things about polygraphs for me is when people are told to take them right after losing a loved one (for example someone's partner is murdered and they're told to take a polygraph so they can be cleared of the crime)
That person's emotional state will be all over the damn place and it's caused innocent people to become suspects or worse because of it.
Also, some murderers don't give a shit about their crimes and can EASILY pass polygraphs.
The Podcast Crime Junkie goes into detail about it in some episodes. It gets me so mad that polygraphs are still seen as legitimate
Who the hell has ever walked up to a grieving family member and was just randomly like "yo take a polygraph?"
@@billbill6094 There's this thing called a murder investigation.
@@billbill6094spouses of murder victims?
@@billbill6094 Do you really think that this never happened?
@@godlyvex5543 I mean I'm sure it _has_ at some point. But it's still extremely ridiculous and I can't imagine it woulf be a huge trend. Who would cooperate with something like that after you lose a loved one?
Yeah, being neurodivergent can totally make polygraph tests more difficult. I had to take one as part of a job interview, but they had to retest me multiple times because it's hard for me to stay still and not get anxious. They even coached me on how to keep my thoughts from jumping all over the place, since that affected my body responses.
They’d prolly arrest me right then and there cuz I’d be tearing off that equipment and screaming trying to get the heck outta there 😂
I'm sure he gets super accurate blood pressure readings through people's hoodies
THANK YOU!!!!! I’ve commented that on so many videos he has been in!!! Lol
The "do you use illegal drugs" story is kind of in the same ball park of the issue I have with this method of detecting lies. Because you can still be telling the truth, but be stressed out about the possibility of the machine falsely accusing you of lying which then could cause it to do just that. "Did you commit this murder?"... no, but now I'm nervous because this could land me in jail if the machine says I'm lying.
As far as I'm aware, "lie detector" test results are inadmissible in court because they don't have enough of a scientific basis and you could lie and pass, or be truthful and fail. Not sure about whether what the questioned person said during a "lie detector" test would be admissible, though. I guess the "trick" is to not allow people who might want to charge you with anything hook you to one of these.
That's what always been strange to me, liars are supposedly nervous but getting interrogated even if innocent can easily be stressful
@@tomlxyz Also, psychopaths.
If I was under suspicion for a murder and was hooked up to a machine, my stress levels (which is what these machines truly test for) would be through the roof. I’d probably be even more stressed if I was innocent.
Well, it’s a good thing they don’t rely alone on polygraphs when charging someone for a crime.
Thank you, it bothers me so much how many TH-camrs act like this guy is 100% accurate
When someone accuses me of lying even though I’m telling the truth, I always smile like an idiot even if it’s not something to smile about so this would absolutely destroy me
Fr tho same
I also falsely failed the illegal drug questions on a polygraph! hell yeah brother
my father is the "new guy" on the new vanity fair videos after they fired john, he's brought up many points behind the scenes. im sure hed love to talk to you about how much he also hates this guy!!
I hope he sees this! I would love to hear from your father! Especially answer some of the comments in the comment section about people who have anxiety disorders and if that could have a false positive. This would be especially interesting for me as I have a disorder call Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome or POTS, where I have boughs of low blood pressure and high heart rate. Even just sitting in a chair doing nothing my vitals can change drastically do to the damage in my autonomic nervous systems.
Or if someone have Tourette’s syndrome and couldn’t sit still for the test?
What would happen in these scenarios?
Pleeeeeeeeease get him in contact with Scott, that would make such a great video
Any updates on if you were able to contact Scott? Would love to have a follow up with your dad’s input… although I’m not sure if Vanity Fair would like their current lie detector guy to openly criticize their former guy. Would be interesting though.
@@craftingemily ik this is so late but I also have POTS and was thinking the exact same things
I feel like I would fail at least a few hard-hitting questions. Childhood trauma has made me overly defensive of things that are 100% true because I was never believed as a kid, so I feel like I have to over-explain, provide even a shred of physical evidence, qualify my statement with other true things, etc. It's so mentally exhausting, and that machine would take my nervousness of wanting to BE believed as a possible lie. Ugh, these shouldn't be used in any legal sense.
As he said and probably 100 ppl in the comments, they arent admissable in court. On the other hand of yr problem, theres emotionless psychos who could lie and pass the test easy
@@desensitized I was simply stating they never should be used in any legal sense, I'm not saying they are. By extension they should also not be used for anything even remotely serious.
Same here :,)
For me it’s not related to trauma, I just get overly defensive whenever someone accuses me of lying. I don’t know how they want me to react to prove I am telling the truth. So many times as a kid my parents would ask me a question I would answer truthfully then they would say they thought I was lying and then I would get all flustered. And then they would take me getting all flustered as further proof that I was lying. I’m flustered because you’re accusing me of lying for no reason. And often I will smile and laugh when accused (idk why that’s just how my body reacts to being accused of lying) and my parents think that’s a sign I’m lying too. The other day my dad asked if I had tried some food before, I can’t remember what it was but it was something really common that I’ve had tons of times before. I said yes, and he said I was lying. I then started laughing because I couldn’t believe he even thought I was lying because obviously I had eaten it many times before, it’s super common. But then he used my laughter as proof that I was lying and left being satisfied in knowing I was lying and had never eaten it. But I have eaten it many times! I feel like my reactions are reversed. People never believe me when I’m telling the truth but they always believe me when I’m lying.
As a neurodivergent person, lie detectors sound horrible... I'm constantly stimming and have tics so the lie detector would just read everything I say as "LIE LIE LIE" no matter what the truth was!
I have the very weird reaction of acting like a nt person who is lying when I’m trying to defend myself.
i just start smiling uncontrollably even if im lying or not so id be fucked
I tend to start laughing uncontrollably when I try to deny anything and its really suspicious, also violently shaking and jolting doesn't help either.
That's _not_ really how Polygraphs work. The machine records a baseline for questions that are known to be true. So even if you are nervous, if your nervousness is the baseline, anything that *deviates* from the baseline _could_ be an indicator as to whether you are telling a lie or not.
The caveat is, there is no objective way to definitively tell is someone is fibbing or not, but this machine can be used to give more weight towards existing bias as to someone is telling a lie or not.
@@watema3381 I think they mean they would be nervous the whole time and likely be moving/twitching therefore the polygraph would be unreadable (not that it actually measures anything significant anyway).
I like how John didn’t wait for Jason Nash to finish, he was like “Do you think I’m pathetic…” John: 👍
One of the biggest things I never understood about the polygraph was what happens if a man recites to himself a full story of half truths and weaved in lies to a true scene and instead of really telling a truth or a lie, just recited what he told himself happened over and over. Or what about a man who looses his cool at the sight of investigators and big machines they're practically strapped to needing to answer. I feel it would be very easy to misconstrue the data even in a very professional setting.
The most nefarious of these lie detector videos the Shane Dawson one where he tests his “hater.” They ask if he’s just using Shane and John says he’s lying when Bobby says he’s not. This launched a wave of harassment and hate against him and tanked his entire YT career, even though Shane was the one who came to him, offered him fame, surprised him a with a CAR and said he could work for him. It was all him, it makes no sense Bobby would have been using Shane when it was all Shane’s idea. Instead of coming to his defense, telling people to back off, it’s just a video, he said and did nothing and quietly allowed him to get bullied off YT, after getting him to pick up his whole life and move to LA. It’s still one of the most messed up things Shane has done, which is saying something.
So…good job, John! Much entertainment! Good thing no has gotten hurt, ammaright?
Lawyer here. Polygraph tests CAN be admissible in evidence in some* jurisdictions, but only as corroborative evidence, just like how the rules on hearsay evidence have exceptions. Other pieces of evidence must still prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt in criminal proceedings, or preponderance of evidence in civil proceedings.
Just like with statistical evidence, not only must the baseline the statistics were made from be accurate and not subjective, they also have to be used alongside actual evidence. Otherwise you put someone in prison because the probability of two handlebar mustached black men with a silver watch, a description you got from a elderly woman and not a camera, existing within the same city is low. Like no, that is not proof this person did this act, coincidences and randomness happen, and when boiled down like that probabilities are always low.
Well shit. Scott's video about pillows convinced me to buy a couple from Coop. Now this video has convinced me to buy my own lie detector guy.
How is the pillow tho
I also bought the pillow
@@willemdefoeson how is it?
@@stickitydoodah It's great! I ended up buying the original, the "Eden," and a body pillow. This is why Scott has now convinced me to get my own lie detector guy. He hasn't steered me wrong yet.
@@Joy.W. I really like it, it's soft and supportive and I put it in the dryer every couple of weeks to refluff it. it was expensive but definitely worth it
Damn just when I was thinking “nah I could probably beat it” and Scott says “you could probably do it cause you’re _so_ smart.” He knows me too well.
As someone with severe anxiety the idea of being forced to take a lie detector test is horrifying. I have these reactions the test picks up just because I feel a little indigestion, never mind being put into a situation where my every word and reaction is judged by a stranger. I could absolutely land myself in hot water just being hooked up to one of those things and asked a very simple question.
"Did you eat breakfast today?"
My heart rate spikes, I start to sweat, my hands shake, i struggle to speak-
Oh dude. There is NO SHOT that you put this video out without him responding in some way. He seems like the type to go after people who naysay him. Regardless, banger video. I bet it ends up being one of your biggest.
I thought all lie detectors guys just looked like that, I didn’t know it was the same guy all along 💀
Also I would PAY this man to let me organize his website, my lord
STUPID
Bye lol
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What? Like nurse joy?
I looked up where they are legal in the U.S. and I found this: "As of today, 23 states still consider polygraph tests to be admissible in court. However, the majority of those states require the approval of both parties before they can be submitted. Also, in most cases, the polygraph test is not being used in a criminal case, but rather in civil court, such as if there was an issue that prevented a person from getting a job or gaining security clearance."
However, I could not find a straightforward list of all jurisdictions that allow them and the specifics so you'll have to look that up for your own county.
The thing with lie detectors isn't that they're easy to beat, it's that they're hard. The amount of false positives is way higher then the amount of false negatives. Also, correlation doesn't equal causation.
1:21 ok you might not believe this but I know about helix because of your adds and I convinced my dad to get one because he needed a new mattress. And he loves it! I also got his spare pillow and it’s amazing. I use it every night. He got a toss and turn mattress for heavy people and he loves it too. The first night he said that he got the best sleep in a long while. ❤
My mom once took a polygraph for a job, and she was so nervous that it came back with the results that she was *lying about her identity.* Like, her name and age? Not correct according to that test.
She doesn't take lie detectors seriously now, lol. And as someone with clinical anxiety myself, I'd probably fail one too!!
Im sorry to say this, even though polygraphs are mostly a scam, the questions like name and age are control questions, and are used to determine what is "true". So your mom probably lied to you.
@@Oratory1989 orrrrrr the test was BS.
@@-Teague- Yes, that would be included in the "mostly a scam" part.
This does not change the fact that name and age are control question to establish a baseline for the test.
@@Oratory1989 even though it’s a base question, it doesn’t really matter.
She was probably nervous that she was getting polygraph for work (that will make anyone nervous) the type of environment she’s in (familiar or not), etc.
It’s really based on the persons anxiety levels and how stressed and nervous they are.
People lie and can be calm, people tell the truth and can be freaking out.
@@kierramurkins6772 And thats why the tests are bad. and thats why known truths are used as baseline, if you are nervous, that will be noted on the baselinequestions as well, and will be used as the baseline.
I understand that you have no knowledge of how these tests work other than that they are bad and should not be used. and i agree on that part, not only can they be incorrect when you are telling the truth, you can also lie and have it show up as a truth.
If you are actually interested in how they work, you can google it and learn something.
Always take some of it with a grain of salt though, you will probably find some info claiming it works better than it does.
I did something regrettable on October 16, not a crime but every time Scott does that bit i am filled with shame 😬
What did you on October 16th, Jadra42?
@@manic694LMAO
Confess 😂
Won't you tell us some more about that? How did that action make you feel? What effect did that action have one your surroundings?
Did you kill someone? 👀
crime on my birthday. must have been motivated !!
Scott’s body was moving 100% accurately in this video. Can confirm. Truth.
would you say that his hips don't lie?
I remember i first saw him in Offline TV, things were tense back then bc it said something about everybody having fantasies about one of the members who ended up being kicked out for sexual harassment
Scotts videos are so addicting I can never only watch 1 video, I have to binge them.
same i always kinda forget how much i love his videos so i let about five or six new releases stack up and then just binge all the ones i missed (plus a few i’ve already seen 10 times)
I paused on “DID YOU KNOW? When the recccesion hit people could no longer afford a 395 polygraph test we made our prices 145 instead” how considerate😌
As an autistic person with anxiety and trauma, I've always despised those "foolproof" ways of detecting liars. Like bro, of course my pulse is high, I have multiple anxiety disorders, my heart will start racing for no fucking reason. And of course I'm struggling to make eye contact, I've been touched by the 'tisms.
I'm just thinking about that Brooklyn 99 episode where they are interrogating the dentist and he was so calm and smug the whole time I immediately felt like he was guilty like it's not normal not to be nervous when your being put on the spot for anything especially something life altering like a crime even if your 100% innocent. I know it's just a show but I have seen similar behaviour from criminals on trial and even narcissists in my life
I went down a similar rabbithole when I started wondering about John's credentials so this is a video I've always wanted but never knew who would actually go ahead and do it; kudos to Scott for doing the work!
Ya know what? I WILLL check out another video. Because this one is the first I've ever seen on your channel and it was pretty good
Ever since I was a little kid who learnt lie detectors, I have been terrified of them. I have been terrified of the idea I would be hooked up to one at a police station, they’d ask me if I murdered someone, I obviously say no, and then the lie detector says I’m lying because I have terrible anxiety. They can’t use that in court but they can make me a suspect and start investigating me.
Like I’m pretty sure them just asking me if I’ve done something illegal would make my heart rate spike even though I know I haven’t. Just the pressure of the question makes me anxious. And a polygraph test basically measures a spike in anxiety, well the physical symptoms anxiety causes because lying makes you anxious. But being asked if you murdered someone also makes me anxious. So I’m pretty sure if the police ever interview me for anything I’m going to end up incriminating myself even when I’m totally innocent and they weren’t even suspicious of me in the first place.
This is going to be good. I see this lie guy everywhere. 😂
Yeah, if anything features a lie detector test its this guy
@@vogelvrouwI mean since it was always for TH-cam videos it was always clearly about making content so no one should take it seriously. Lie detectors are like ouija boards, for entertainment purposes only
I thought Ned Fulmer was the lie guy?
Everywhere? That's a lie
I can’t even pass a blood pressure test cause I get too nervous about failing it, if I had to take a lie detector test I’d just die.
Edit: the replies to this made me feel so seen🥲 I never knew this was common thing or that it had a name. Thanks for all the tips too, I wish a doctor had told me this before❤️
Exactly! My blood pressure reading is high most of the time because I get anxiety in medical offices. Staff generally knows that happens though. Sometimes they insist on re-measuring because it’s so bad 😂
Holy cow dude😧, wish you the best😃
My dad had horrible white coat syndrome too. It can help to take a little walk and have something to drink before your appointment. It can be hard to accurately monitor your blood pressure when that happens, and it could indicate that your blood pressure spikes at other times of stress, so it might be worth talking to your doc about taking a low dose slow release med. Good luck ❤
I ALWAYS have to get my blood pressure re-taken and it's literally always normal the second time, after the doctor has talked me down a bit lol. I know the anxiety is caused by knowing that high blood pressure runs in my family. Talk about a self fulfilling prophecy
@@Rickyp0123 Me too! It’s called “white coat syndrome”. People can get misdiagnosed with hypertension because their blood pressure reads as elevated, even though it’s just anxiety.
I love how Scott’s videos are either about something so nostalgic that I’m very familiar with or something so cutting-edge u have no idea what’s going on but I’m excited to learn. No in between.
Cutting edge? What's cutting edge about this? The 100+ year old polygraph test?
Scott reads the vibes of a guy who reads vibes from a machine that is designed to read vibes from a human
I am so glad someone finally covered this for the longest time I was like how is this the only guy and just he is in all these videos
honestly the fact he was on so many reality TV/talk shows had me skeptical from the beginning. then I saw he was on maury and dr phill and that was the nail in the coffin lol
The fact that he's an ENTERTAINMENT "lie detector guy" has always told me it was bunk. (apart from my knowledge of "lie detectors" being utter nonsense).
@@carnuatus yeah that's a very good point lol, I saw him here and there as a kid and it just never clicked back then
I'm so glad this is finally being talked about! I find it absolutely infuriating that lie detectors are seen as fact in crime shows and entertainment when it is pretty much pseudo-science. It's really unfortunate that because of the normalization of lie detectors, a lot of people still believe it's legitimate.
As well as body language. Its all pseudoscience and very very abelist.
A lie detector and a body language reader being enough to accuse and convict anyone of any crime, regardless any other circumstances, would make for an interesting dystopian setup, I think.
100% propaganda
I feel like he is fully aware and open to the truth that it's all fake, but he is just riding the money track while he can. I think eventually he will stop getting business when the trend dies and come clean that it was fake 😂
never heard of you before but man this was one of the most entertaining videos i've ever seen, very funny, very informative and now one of my fav youtubers now
I remember you mention polygraphs briefly, saying “they’ll get the truth out of you” as though you had done one. Glad to see a follow up to the topic since I always wondered.
I really appreciate Scot giving us regular updates on how close they are to catching that guy who was at the crime scene on October 16th. Glad to see they are closing in!
I have been WAITING for so long for someone to deep dive into this ever since I noticed he was the only one making lie detector videos. Thank you for you service
I've wanted to hear Scott's polygraph story since the Moment of Truth video. It did not disappoint.
raised heart rate, sweaty hands, shakiness … how does he know his clients aren’t just.. falling in love with him
Been listening to a lot of crime podcasts and it's hilarious how most hosts state that they don't believe in Polygraph tests BUT WILL SHAME A PERSON for refusing it (for knowing that it's fake) . The weird hold this faulty test has on crime investigation is really strong.
I would like to mention that polygraphs are also inherently ableist. The idea of "to pass a polygraph you must follow this specific expected behavior" and it measuring bodily functions that in many people don't function the same way in the first place. If Scott himself failed a polygraph just from getting anxious about a question imagine what it would be like for an autistic person, or someone with anxiety, ect.
Yes, this is so true. Also the fact that you are told to sit still. I couldn't sit still like that.
jade harley homestuck
Yeah, I remember hearing about how back in the day they would bring kids in who had mental illnesses and they would be scared of the machines and it would effect there results, but of course the people taking them didn’t care.
Ableist tho? I don't think that's the word your looking for 😅
And the people who are undiagnosed who can't even be like "by the way my behavior will be unexpected due to x" becausre they either don't even know or can't get the official diagnosis due to healthcare issues as at least some form of defense
"How can he be the only lie detector guy?" A question for the ages.
there's doctor shmoixen from jerma :)
Omg I remember Scott saying he had had a polygraph test but didn't get into it. I'm glad we've got some answers now
I did a video with him, super nice guy but his personality didnt change on or off camera 😂
TIKO?
7milliom subs and 11 likes lemme fix that
@@minotaursgamezonehe fell off
@@mel-uc1msRip tiko
Tiko is wild😂
He's the batman of lie detecting: if the TH-camr calls, he leaves the shadows to answer their plea
It's Santa disguising himself in order to determine who makes the naught list???? 😧
I’m terrified of these, I have a reactive nervous system which means literally anything triggers my adrenaline, heart rate and blood pressure to go crazy (including normal levels of anxiety and nerves) so I’d go in a little anxious and fail everything no matter what lmao
@thelightfantastic yes 😂 that’s exactly what it’s like
scott is just a combination of all the best youtubers into one person which is awesome
So he himself has lied? He became everything he has sworn to detect.
deep af
Don’t talk to the cops period. Even if you’re completely innocent.
Great video Scott as always 🥰
I feel like the biggest thing that makes lie detectors problematic is that people have different responses to telling the truth and lying. I remember growing up whenever I got talked to be adults and questioned I would find my heart racing and sweat forming when I told the complete and honest truth because I was nervous they wouldn't believe me, or the consequences of telling the truth; then I would feel totally calm telling some lies in similar circumstances because I thought it mattered less or knew it sounded more plausible then the truth.
Heart rate and perspiration have no consistent relationship with truth telling because people are different and have different responses to stress inducing factors.
Damn, i just love this guy. Scott is just so charismatic and funny, i am running when i see, that he has posted a new video, always. Just amazing content.
When i was younger i always thought thtere was some shady stuff about the lie detector guy, every video I've watched about lie detecting it was always him and i was wondering why its the same person and not a different guy, thank you so much for making this video Scott!❤
0:53 Crazy coincidence! Anthony Padilla featured the lie detector guy in his Jschlatt Interview!
Which is why schlatt got away with telling everyone that his real name is Jared, lol
You should've done a sting on this guy. Ask to make a polygraph video with him and ask him to fudge answers for you and see if he goes along with it.
Yes!
FINALLY SOMEONE MAKES A VIDEO ON THIS GUY IVE SEEN HIM EVERYWHERE OH MY GOD THANK YOU KING
I haven't watched yet, but I've been waiting for someone to expose this dude for so long. He's like the most prolific charlatan on TH-cam but nobody even knows his name.
Dude just has a power trip deciding what’s a lie and what isn’t
I've taken multiple polygraph tests (they're a requirement to get hired in my career) and yeah...they're nothing like what they show on TV/TH-cam.
The tester asks you a ton of questions about a particular topic, like crimes you've committed, while you're not hooked up to anything. Then you sit in the chair and they attach all the wires and ask you "did you lie about any of your answers in our interview." And that's it. The actual polygraph is pretty short.
Also, you can't move - like at all. If you shift your weight or wiggle your toes, they can tell. One time the guy told me I was bobbing my head too much when I spoke! You have to be perfectly still or it's basically useless.
Edit: I commented this before watching the whole video and my experience was basically exactly like Scott's!
you can watch polygraph tests from actual police interrogations on youtube and that isn’t how they do it lol. they ask you every question while you’re hooked up
@@imsadlol4528 Yes because in those cases they use it as an *intimidation* tactic.
@@imsadlol4528 Yeah, because polygraph tests aren't real in determining shit. The cops are just trying to intimidate people into confessing
as someone with anxiety, adhd, and autism.... taking a polygraph test is my biggest fear😅
I cant imagine taking one of these tests with purposefully incriminating questions… I have anxiety and anytime I am asked a simple question, my heart races- even if it’s just “what’s your name?”
They’d think I was guilty no matter what.
I AM SO GLAD SOMEONE FINALLY SPOKE ABOUT THIS I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT HIM FOR YEARS
i actually really appreciate this video . not enough people know they should stay away from polygraphs
Glad Scott is finally talking about him after all the times he has talked about this guy (one time in a video about how every comment is the same)
I similarly was applying for a job that involved interacting with the sheriff's office one-time and was going to be polygraphed for it.
I had done several of the things they listed including but not limited to using drugs and making homemade explosive devices, but I had heard you could take them so I googled how to in the parking lot, follow the instructions during the test, and passed with flying colors.
They're really not difficult to fool and anyone who is convicted based on a polygraph has been royally fucked over.