Dont like the editing in the trailer re Tim's vaccinations. Click baiting reduces confidence imo and thats too precious to throw away in such a debate.
Absolutely agree. I was actually fixated on watching those two parts of the interview and concluded that they slowed down the video in order to introduce a pause that made the viewer wonder if Tim got vaccinated which of course he did. Then the questions about another pandemic. Guys, this is cheap clicks stuff and not worthy of Zoe. Especially given the number of peer reviewed papers that came out of this Covid study.
Reading between the lines... he has stopped having the vaccine, possibly because covid is no longer the threat it was or he does not think it's safe enough. Who knows.
The clickbait style intro on "oh did he take the vaccine glum face" not helpful here. Why play games with this topic at all, when there are such powerful anti vax movements online. Be clear and stick to the science on it.
@@johnclarke8492 "powerful antivax movement" Jesus Christ. You must be one of those people who supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Propaganda is bad for you.
during COVID my 90 year old grandfather said he wasn't worried about getting it because "you've got to die of something". He valued seeing his grandchildren more than living another year or two but a lonely existence.
Tim Spector refuses to state that people do not receive year round enough vitamin D from the sun or food. The surges of COVID were like colds, happening in the winter. A respiratory illness consumes the body stores of vitamin D and obese people absorb or sequester vitamin D. Vitamin D deficient people who got infected were 28 times more likely to have a severe case. In the US, I talked to an African American dark skinned person who was in a wheelchair because of her weight and obesity. Her doctor prescribed twice the US maximum of 8000 iu per day.
Another problem was that so many people have unknown underlying health conditions, so many presumed healthy people fared poorly. So many have undiagnosed diabetes, hypertension and cardiovascular disease and we now know those people fared the worst with Covid.
The Spanish flu particularly killed the healthy part of the population. Covid affected the elderly, but you cannot conclude that a virus always affects the elderly most. Bird flu is likely to affect children badly. Are we then still going to keep schools open?
@@froukehermens2176 It does affect the elderly most. Look at the figures. That doesn't mean it only affects the elderly, just that the risk increases exponentially with age.
Doesn't seem to be discussing the mRNA factor vs standard vaccines, does he? I will not take another mRNA shot of any kind. I took the initial jab because we work in a funeral home and were constantly bombarded with infected people. We did not take any boosters at all. Caught COVID once in Dec 2021. Have never had a problem again with it. Upped our zinc & D3 instead and it seemed to work fine
Hi! I listen to your podcasts every week while driving! After this one I just wanted to comment about the schools. I agree that it was bad for the kids that the schools closed, but it wasn’t as simple as them infecting grandparents. The schools aren’t children alone, there are adult teachers of all ages and risk levels, school secretaries, school nurses, administration etc. I’ve worked as a teacher for almost 30 years and kids have no problem coughing or sneezing in your face (by accident of course) when you get close to help them with their work, they don’t always wash their hands, and they touch everything! I don’t know what the right answer is for a pandemic as far as schools, but there is more to consider than the kids alone. Thanks!!! Heather
Good point. And, as you know, many teachers are in tbe 50+ age group with presumably partners at home also in that age category. Closing schools for a few months probably helped reduce transmission rates. Not all children suffered mental health issues by having a few months at home - controversial point to end!
@@stringsandthreads What about people like me who had to continue working, I am a supermarket worker and in the fortnight before lockdowns the stores were full of panic buying shoppers, the infections hadnt quite reached the peak. The interesting ting is that none of us caught covid in those 2 weeks. By the end of the summer only 2 colleaques out of a total of 114,000 died from covid.
Saved me writing the same thing. Also, what about NHS staff? Do we expect them to go through the hell they went through last time? What can be done there?
It would be very interesting to know the numbers of people with long COVID who have been vaccinated multiple times , versus people who have it that are unvaccinated, or had say the initial 3
Many people report they came down with Long COVID in 2020, before the COVID Vaccines were released. Many others who developed this condition later report they are UNvaccinated. Clearly, there are other factors beyond COVID vaccination involved, but Long COVID may also result post-vaccination. Personally, I believe Long COVID, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME, Chronic Lyme Disease, Fibromyalgia, MCAS, and POTS are ALL Chronic Dysfunctions of the Immune System.
@@kban77 None of them are good because they lack randomisation. Heck there's even data which shows those who had it had a lower risk of getting involved in a serious road traffic collision.
If there is so much trust in vaccines how is it still, to date, approved thru emergency use authorization (EUA) for current COVID-19 vaccines (2024-2025 formula) to include a monovalent (single) component that corresponds to the Omicron variant KP.2 strain of SARS-CoV-2? Put simply, an emergency use authorization (EUA) is a tool the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) can use to expedite the availability of medical products, including drugs and vaccines, during a public health emergency. An EUA can only be granted when no adequate, approved, available alternatives exist, and when the known and potential benefits outweigh the potential risks. An EUA also only lasts as long as the public health emergency. To me this speaks volumes to not knowing the vaccine risks. & I'm suppose to trust the science?
You do need to remember that children also get long covid. They are still getting LC and also there is more and more being found about the widespread impact of infection on multiple body systems, including neurological. There is insufficient research into the long term effects of covid infection in children. Furthermore, there is insufficient attention to providing clean air in schools. This is relatively easy to do using HEPA air filtration systems in classrooms.
Got Covid in Nov. 2020, the original Wuhan/Wild strain and never completely recovered. Four years in, and although I have improved , I can honestly say I never have a great or well day. I never received the vaccine(decided I did not want that "spiked protein" , in any form in my body again. I never got any other Covid infection. Covid didn't kill me, but it took my life as I knew it. It robbed me of my ability to work, my long-term health, any assists I had, and my ability to do most of the things I loved doing.
British schools with HEPA filters! Do you have any idea how much a good HEPA filter system costs to buy, install and then maintain? I live in Norway where we generally, in public buildings at least, have one room with a HEPA filter. ( Nuclear shelter ), it's not cheap and requires a lot of planning to make the room tight enough that all the incoming air is filtered. It is much more expensive when it is retrofitted. You haven't got enough money in Britain to sort out the rubbish concrete the schools are made of let alone invest in HEPA.
@@Vacaiable portable HEPA filters are already in use in some UK classrooms. It doesn't need to be nuclear bunker standard to be effective at reducing airborne viruses. Though I agree with you, the investment is a challenge. I believe a rolling programme has already been announced for London primary schools. What cost our children's health?
I do feel that their are many more important studies that have not been done yet. Vaccinated vs not vaccinated for getting reoccurring COVID year after year and also long COVID. I won't get into the major increase in mortality over the last few years but I will say, I have multiple sclerosis and am very very educated on nutrition, exercise, sleep, sunshine and vitamin D so I am a healthy 50 year old woman and I had a mild form of COVID in November 2021, never got it again and never received one shot. I think these studies are important to educate people on how important our metabolic health is when it comes to fighting any kind of virus.
You are so lucky if you think it’s over. For those of us with an impaired immune system, such as people with blood cancer, it has never gone away. I’m still having to ‘shield’ and avoid any crowded places, as it is potentially life-threatening to me.
Anyone who wants to protect their health should take steps to avoid is (at least put on an FFP2 mask when going somewhere indoors with other people). I don't understand that people can talk about improving diets on the other hand and not doing anything to avoid Covid on the other hand. It is like taking up smoking, while following a rigorous diet and exercise regime.
Very grateful for your amazing work on reporting the changing covid symptoms. I got the Zoe app at the very beginning and was duly reporting daily for at least two years. In November 2020 I didn’t feel well at work. No cough or shortness of breath, but a very slightly raised temperature and achy bones. I reported that on Zoe. Next day I was advised to go for a test. It turned out to be positive!. Three days later, I lost my sense of taste and smell. All came back after two weeks and I recovered quickly. Had it not been for Zoe, I wouldn’t have gone for a test and would have gone back to work in my school. Thank you for offering me, and many others, a covid test immediately.
My sympathies to you. I had LC for 16 months. I changed my diet WFPB then did a medically supervised 5 day water fast. Fully resolved fatigue and all symptoms. It is possible to recover, don't give up searching for your path to recovery ❤
I also have Long-covid. Got covid in January 2023 and never recovered. Terrible illness. I am on medications to help with symptoms, but nothing cures. They need to show more medical support and provide more funding for Long-covid research.
Probably caused by ultra processed junk foods. It affects your immune system. Also you are deficient in vitamin D. Best thing you can do is eat real foods and get fresh air and sun outside.
May I ask how many covid vaccine shots? It did not occur to you that long covid could be a consequence of your body expressing spike protein in many of your organs, for weeks, sometimes months after each shot??? People are so dumb, I have no sympathy for humans anymore
I think Tim's views on the vaccines greatly undermine his credibility. Adverse reactions in the population were not properly recorded. I had an adverse reaction to my first jab and it took months to even get acknowledged by doctors as I was dismissed by doctors because 'the science' said adverse reactions were very rare. For the vast majority of healthy people I believe the risks of the experimental jabs were far greater than from the virus. I don't think this video or opinion will age well.
OK, so in your particular case your adverse reaction may not have been recorded properly but what *evidence* do you have that it happened to anyone else?
@@vatsmith8759 There's plenty of evidence. Some were much worse, such as Lisa Shaw for example. The fact that there was under-reporting is a serious issue and should be addressed.
Professor Carl Heneghan has said that investigating adverse reactions to the vaccines has cost £25m. That's more than has been paid out. Not enough disability in many cases or some such nonsense.
I would like to see Zoe do regular poop microbiome testing on its members following Covid infection, and also those pre and post Covid jab, to see how or if the microbiome changes, and if so, how long to recover to pre-infection/pre-jab microbiome status. Cheers 😊
I would like to see a debate between Prof Angus Dalgleish, Prof David C Anderson, Dr David Grimes and Prof Tim Spector regarding Vit D , Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine as there is so much conflicting evidence.
So if we have a fabulously fit immune system like children COVID won’t have much effect. The key is boosting the immune system making the immune system stronger, and able to fight the virus.
I have 4 of Tim Spector's books, respect him a lot as a researcher, that is until he said his research on whether vit D had any effect on covid-19 where the research used 1,000ui and not the now recommended 10,000ui - showed no effect at all.
Who recommends 10,000 IU and do they have a study to prove any benefit? Why are you angry when someone says there is a study to prove that 1000 IU has no effect.
@@brendanmay9585 - If you actually want to know and not just spouting "prove it" statements, look up Dr (and Professor) Angus Dalgleish and his studies & research going back to the 1960s and continuing all the way up to today.
To brendanmay9585 - If you are actually interested and not just making a statement "prove it", look up Dr (and Professor) Angus Dalgleish who has studies and research going back to the 1960s and continuing all the way up to today.
I caught nothing during the entire pandemic. I'm a nurse in a hospital and I'm usually sick with something contagious at least twice a year. I didn't get sick until the masks came off. They worked.
I had a similar experience. I’m a respiratory therapist and wore a mask every time I was around anyone indoors, for a few years. I didn’t catch even a cold during that time.
The Pandemic is ongoing and masks are still effective. But people are afraid to be judged badly for wearing them. I couldn't care less of whaat other people think and continue to mask when in indoor places where there are other humans
It doesn't explain why past knowledge and knowledge that other experts tried to impart at the time was ignored, not just the great Barrington declaration but a lot of other things.
Hmm I wonder why the great barrington declaration was ignored?… tough one that one is… jk. It’s because it was from a libertarian think tank. It was purely political, and its purpose was to allow business and corporations to keep making money, while basically ignoring covid. “The World Health Organization (WHO) and numerous academic and public-health bodies stated that the strategy would be dangerous and lacked a sound scientific basis.”
Yes, this podcast was just the familiar Tim narrative. He's the guru, but actually he ignores stuff (like the GBD) and uses evidence selectively. I first noticed this in The Diet Myth, and he's still the same. Much as I admired the Zoe initiative in 2020 (and he deserved his gong), he just doesn't move on. Incidentally, I'm still submitting a daily report - where's all that data going? The app seems dead.
For all the good work done, I do remember these podcasts downplaying the risks posed by the 2020 Christmas wave as it was developing (I know the variant was an extra curveball, but things still were not looking great), and also downplaying Long Covid, focusing heavily on their app study, but citing little other evidence, leaving the risks, and communicating the seriousness of the long covid risks, underestimated on this podcast. These are serious lessons to take forward for science communicators. From a someone with long covid symptoms since 2021, who was put somewhat at ease by this podcast at the time, falsely. But I still heavily commend many aspects of the good work of course, but more humility, and consideration of others work, can only help. It would also be nice to know the state of play now, so as not to repeat the same mistake - what is the risk of long covid from new infections now? Discussion of this science has essentially died, but I imagine papers about new infections are still being published, and given the majority of covid's health burden will be long covid, we are still leaving ourselves underinformed (I hope the news is good though, but that is not based on hard evidence).
@@flossie1947 What point specifically? Personalisation or something else? I commended the work twice, I'm just saying it didn't really consider much other work and the potential limitations of the methodology (unavoidable). More from a communication standpoint. Similar might be the sunscreen comments made more recently - it doesn't mean there isn't some valid points in there, but sometimes it's the degree of confidence one shows and how one puts it, that's all I mean. But I appreciate these things are a challenge. The key is to acknowledge that and bring in other voices and researchers also (like they do now on zoe, but in the pandemic, it seemed less collaborative in this way). But I am open to my perceptions also being not perfect of course, it's how it came across to me.
There is excellent ongoing information, and appraisals of studies as they appear, on TWIV (This Week in Virology) and continuing updates on Long Covid/PASC on the weekly TWIV Clinical Updates with Dr Daniel Griffin here on TH-cam.
I remember the opposite about Long COVID. There was a way to record symptoms and reports on LC. As for the Christmas wave, if numbers of infection were going down then the future will always be an educated guess. How was Tim to know a new variant would occur? I don't think it was purposeful deception.
@@DavidSmith-rz1pc A friend of mine recently experienced a severe illness with symptoms resembling COVID-19, though she wasn’t tested, so the exact cause is unknown. She endured intense body aches, a high fever with chills, diarrhea, and dizziness. I asked her to imagine how she would have felt if, while experiencing such symptoms, she was watching the news describing a deadly virus spreading worldwide, with daily death counts and no known immunity. She said she would have been terrified. Psychological stress and fear can negatively impact recovery by weakening the immune system and increasing inflammation. Studies have shown that patients who are informed of grim prognoses-such as being told they have limited time to live-can sometimes experience worse health outcomes due to the nocebo effect, where negative expectations lead to adverse health results. Adding to this, SAGE (the UK’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) admitted to using psychological manipulation to influence public behavior during the pandemic. This included amplifying fear to encourage compliance with their measures.
I will never have another so called mRNA vaccine. Too many serious injuries have been suffered and little was mentioned about that. This is a serious matter that it seems future vaccines are and will be produced by this genetic type method.
I certainly would not. Lied to and misled into the 2. Realised the idiocy once Omnicron came around (natural vaccine) yet they still wanted to give it to my children?!
Another "expert" playing down the valid concern about the Covid vaccines as a concern about ALL vaccines. A valid concern based on analysis of the clinical trials and emergency approval processes by very significant numbers of medical professionals, not just anti-vaxers.
Tim suggests that schools should have remained open. If that was the policy it's likely the schools would have been closed anyway. Staff sickness would have wiped out the staff, many of whom are elderly teachers, class assistants or admin staff. You can't run schools with skeleton staff.
23:44 A friend worked in a lab that sometimes handled very dangerous transmissible pathogens. Despite all sorts of safety protocols, people make mistakes. Sometimes the wrong thing got sent to the wrong place with the wrong level of safety measures. When it arrives at its destination it might not immediately appear to be the highly dangerous substance it is unless the recipient is paying attention. I honestly believe we're lucky that this sort of thing doesn't happen every few months.
if 'people' make mistakes in such labs with strict protocols (I used to write them when I worked in NHS diagnostic laboratories), then they are liable for severe consequences. You either misunderstood or your 'friend' was exaggerating or it's made-up.
the fact that it doesn't shows that it is relatively hard to spread a virus that way. And when a virus spreads, the way it spreads indicates whether or not it came from a lab. In this case, it doesn't. It spread from bats to the wet market at wuhan. And two lineages spread there, in fact. With evidence. Unlike the lab leak idea.
What this disucussion underlines is the importance of trust. If the authorities are seen to be lieing than their guidelines on vaccines will be rejected by rational citizens. The recent report from the US that the Covid virus came out of biowarfare by the US using Chinese labs, simply amplifies this basic problem of trust.
Yes and don't forget we were told if we took the jab we couldn't get COVID or pass it on. Pfizer admitted they never tested it for transmission, so I figured I was lied to, and stopped taking them after 3!! I'm 73 got it mildly 18 months ago, would never have any MNRA shots again.
@MezMezMez1 gf hasn't had Covid yet luckily. She is on medication for an autoimmune disease and doesn't make new antibodies because of it we have to be very careful still, especially as getting antivirals in time , if she did catch it, is a lottery.
@@fluffyheed9166 They are trying to develop antibodies they can just inject into immunosuppressed patients to give them protection. In 2022 astra zenica produced one which worked and was rolled out to clinically vulnerable people in 32 countries including most of the EU and the USA. This country takes so long to approve new drugs that it stopped being as effective against the newest variants before it could be used and NICE/The Tory govt decided it wasn't worth the money to allow it to be used on the NHS but said people could buy it privately at a cost of £2000 every 6 months. At the end of 2023, astra zenica's new version of the drug was approved in France and the USA. This country still wouldn't change their approval process so it's still not been rolled out and is starting to lose it's effectiveness against the current variants. They had aimed to make a decision in Dec, then it got pushed back to Jan, march and finally may 2025. About a month ago they suspended the assessment. America has another antibody they're using but they won't roll it out here because the approval process takes too long and they don't think the UK will pay £5000 per person either. So until this country changes their approval process to be able to fast track the roll out it'll be this way. Avoiding busy places. Not going into pubs, restaurants etc and wearing masks in shops. There are 1 million vulnerable people doing the same. The new labour government have already met with campaign groups fighting for vulnerable people with the aim of fast tracking the process so hopefully there will be something that is available and works in the near future. If they don't change the process , drug companies won't bother even trying to roll anything out in this country as it's all changing too quickly. Since the first drug developed was proven to be effective, in mid 2022, 70,000 clinically vulnerable people have died from Covid. Currently levels are fairly low countrywide but on average 12 people per day are dying from it . And they are almost exclusively vulnerable or old.
I remember a big problem for schools was that lots of teachers needed to shield or were off sick and the schools couldn't run safely even before official lock down.
@@froukehermens2176 yet we made them live in isolation for nearly 2 years because of that fear at a devastating cost to their well being in the long run... We have permanently damaged an entire generation because of that fear...
I am not sure on the right move, yes teachers getting was part of the issue, getting multiple doses of covid, being immuno comprised, or being an older aged teacher, but so is the lingering side effects in the children, wanting to stay at home, less confidence, not mixing very with peers, i would interested in how to balance these opposing sides.
I had Long Covid for 16 months. Ultimately overhauled diet to wholefood, mostly plants, then a 5 day water fast. I was desperately ill and the fast was difficult but within days I had my life back. Find your path to enhance your health so your body can heal itself, it's miraculous and I wish everyone the same success ❤❤❤
@susanchristian1665 I don't think he is saying that. Just that there is a balance to be struck. Keeping a children away from school for the best part of 2 years was severely detrimental as we now know. Should this happen again, I presume we will have to explore a way of keeping older people safe whilst allowing children to get their schooling. Anyway, as an older person myself, I would want to ensure my children's children are okay on all levels. It's not a them or us thing.
@@SitaRa-el4re I know it's not, or at least shouldn't be and either or. I just thought he was dismissing us older folk a little flippantly. And as for keeping schools open, a lot of teachers are older people and would almost certainly have been infected by the children, which would have closed schools anyway. What we need is a better way of ensuring children who can't attend school for any reason to still have access to education.
Thanks for this review. The Zoe work was so helpful during the first year or two of the pandemic, it’s a shame that Government were so sceptical. Great the way you were able to identify new symptoms, and provide the earliest data on where infection numbers were increasing around the country. Well done.
I can see why it's difficult to trust scientists and governments about vaccines when as you yourselves said there is almost certainly a cover up about where it came from and what's happening in labs!
Doesn't a scientist saying what he did will Improve your confidence in scientists? Bear in mind that science is a process aiming to get a better understanding, not a way to define facts. The world is very complex, more complex than we can ever find out. .
How does science is a process repair the damage in trust cause by lies and gaslighting? I very distinctly remember thinking that the eating bats thing was bullshit but then if I believed it was a lab leak I was a conspiracy theorist?! I absolutely believe in science being a process and have no issues with vaccines. But please don't tell me that lying and gaslighting the public about the origin of the virus doesn't damage the credibility and trustworthiness of scientists and governments. That's not science it's abuse. Scientific process doesn't mean blindly believing people because they say they are scientists. Scientific processes are about making theories and testing their veracity. If people don't or won't admit to mistakes how can we trust thier evidence. This is further reinforced by the message that was being given when vaccines were being rolled out with a denial of their being side effects instead of the truth and what is being said here that the side effects are rare and worth the risk. I had some insane bruises on both inner thighs after the 2nd vaccine and got chewed out for self harm by a consultant like I'm just trying to report a side effect here I'm not concerned but no one will just record it and send it home because they didn't know what to look out for but I was told I was wasting drs time and attention seeking, as if that's an appropriate reaction to self harm anyway!
Tim - you seem out of date on the type of side effects that may now be evident and whilst there have been many studies the ones that appear to produce worse results as regards the danger of side effects are being suppressed. Lets indeed have full transparency in all respects and have proper trials of new vaccines
This man is a world-class scientist. He keeps up with the latest studies. If you think studies are suppressed, there's no way to change your mind. Are you MAGA?
Taking advice from someone who bought into taking an experimental, unlicensed & unapproved shot (EUA does not confer approval) is the last thing I would do.
Why would pharma companies do research in to diet and marks. No financial benefit to them the angle you are comming from. This things through. This was funded by them as we provide the data. No other trial needed. Think.
No. These data came out of their own study. They repurposed an app designed for their gut microbiome studies and the 20million participants in the study gave their data for nothing, because it made them feel good to participate. Their investors contributed by allowing the scientists to give their time for nothing (but they could not do their normal work as much anyway because of lockdown). It is unlikely that any pharma companies were among the investors because the Zoe study they were originally funding is not about finding new drugs; it's about identifying the foods that are good for your health. The evidence so far is that processed food is bad for you whereas vegetables, nuts, fermented foods and a broad and varied diet are good. You can Google it to find out more.
As someone who runs clinical trials, when discussing vaccines, the term side effects and adverse events are different. Side effects are headache, fatigue, arm pain, etc within the first few days of getting it. These are not rare. AEs are like POTS, longterm hives, high blood pressure, heart issues in general, etc. These are rare but still very much happen. I'm in VAERS myself due to an AE that lasted 7 months.
@@wisewune Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting through CDC. They stay with you through the process of the AE and keep track of you. They also let you know if you can't take the mRNA vaccines anymore - like I was instructed.
The risk of another pandemic is high because corporations operate outside of the law. That's all sorts of corporations, pharmaceutical, arms, ultra processed foods etc. Pandemics are profitable for pharmaceutical corporations, just like wars are profitable for arms corporations and fat people are profitable for ultra processed food corporations.
At the beginning of covid I starting taking Vitamin C Vitamin D zinc and making my own daily juice - from a variety of fruits and veggies. I’m 63, and I’ve never had covid nor have I been vaccinated - but do run regularly. A good diet, regular exercise and rest I believe, are the essential ingredients to a healthy immune system not forgetting having good friends and family around, working purposefully and a strong faith.
It all showed me just how many people in the world will just blindly follow what others tell them to do without doing extensive research first, especially on something that could potentially harm them.
@@88batteristaall fingers crossed! My worst symptom is POTS - postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome 😢 (gravity is my enemy) 😢 I hope that we will recover soon! It is strange that I was super healthy! Eating/following Zoe program! Going to the gym almost everyday! I miss going to the gym …
I’ve great respect for what Tim’s done in raising awareness of gut health importance but when you look at all the data coming out on injury from the novel thing in potentially millions of people I think he’s either in denial or not aware like so many people.
Me too. Had frightening heart palpitations after 2nd Pfizer and as at 19.11.24 am still suffering same symptoms. When I bring this up with medical profession they all stay silent!
Also how many of those were given totally inappropriate treatment - no early treatment, being put on ventilators, being given Remdesivir in hospitals or Midazolam in care homes.
I lost my job as a nurse because I made a choice. 42 years rgn. But I was ridiculed for wanting a mask to wear. March 23rd 2020. I was reported to a top manager for not Turning up for my shift. Yet I was extremely anxious even panicking because I was feeling so protective towards my immediate family... I had been watching the news and was extremely concerned as my 90 year old mum lived with me and so too was my husband with chronic respiratory disease still being monitored by a specialist. I did not want to contract covid myself as an asthmatic nor pass it on to my mum and husband who were extremely vulnerable. My career nose dived Our income as a family vanished I have then Iived with feelings of Gratitude for making the right decision but this is over shadowed with sadness at the loss of a career I loved. Plus I have lost mum now following a major stroke. She was discharged to my care at at 02.00hrs a d was nursed to her daily dying for another 3 months
From a health economic and even public health point of view in particular it was an absolute disaster. If the gov had only listened to Prof Heneghan’s group at the time.
I had covid when it first come out I was so ill and so lucky to be here but I don't eat much been in hospital with my lungs I have had 4 lots of the covid jab. But it made me so ill know I can not have it
Thank you again for the Zoe Covid App which was such a support throughout those awful months. We both got covid before the vaccination came along and my husband was hospitalised in ICU. I was completing the app for both of us each day and it was reassuring to know we were both part of something positive that was making a difference - not just to us, but to a better understanding of this horrible and almost certainly man-made virus. He survived but suffered from long covid for a number of years, but is now almost back to where he was before, and a lot of that is down to nutrition, rest and appropriate walking in the fresh air. Thank you Zoe Team.
So lets be clear Tim you have only had the first 2 covid vaccines and 1 booster about nov 2021 , are YOU going to have a covid vaccine this winter!! I think NOT!!!
Surely it is about risk, is it not? If the Covid strains are less threatening there is less need for a vaccination unless you have high risk factors. We are not in the position we were in during the first year of the infection.
I have had my booster every year since my first three because I don’t like the way long covid affected me after my first infection. Also as an asthmatic over 60 I am higher risk and as a physician I am in contact with patients every day. I also wear my FFP2 every time I have an infectious patient.
Thank you all At Zoe. Appreciate all your hard work. You have done groundbreaking work with our guts ! Knowledge is much needed. ❤❤❤❤ We look after and nurture our gut with more information from you all, although it was pretty nurtured before. ❤
A Cochrane review was conducted into the mandatory face coverings, which found them have no effect. Whether they work or not, is unimportant. The fact is, even if they do work, which is uncertain, in reality too few people wear them properly to have any effect.
I do not think that 'free' is a reason to take a jab, he Cleary realised it was not appropriate for hm to continue.......but I respect your decision to take all the jabs you are offered for free.
Thanks for the comments on long covid. After getting Covid in Feb 2020 and having long covid ever since this really needs publicising. It's Awful and my life is nothing like it used to be. The medical profession look on you as if it's the first time they have ever seen it and the only help I have had has been via doing my own research.
You were unlucky to catch a early variant of covid! Once Omicron came along which was much less serious! Africa call Omicron the vaccine they never had to give them immunity!!
My sympathies to you, and I also had some improvement with nattokinase. I had LC for 16 months. I changed my diet WFPB then did a medically supervised 5 day water fast. Fully resolved fatigue and all symptoms. It is possible to recover, don't give up searching for your path to recovery ❤
@@LetThoseOatsRoll Thanks, many of my neurological problems have lessened but Covid gave me Myocarditis, which second MRI showed had cleared, but I'm still left with my pulse going plus 150 on the slightest thing, eg having a shower, and my cardiologist referred me back to my GP despite my protestations!! (Even though he can see it on my loop recorder.)
Started using the app when advised of it by Nurses Health Study II. Worked as a nurse through Covid in the USA--thankfully on the Med Surg end rather than ICU. Best thing to come out of all of it was discovering that you hadn't gone away when Covid ended and that you have a wonderful nutrition podcast! (I had assumed Zoe was just invented for Covid)
There haven't been any serious studies concluding good efficacy in reduction of infection from mask wearing? There is some evidence for N95s where there is short term interactions... but not for more than a very short period.
A quick Google hit shows this... the latest results from 2024, such as the following show no efficacy in reduction. New research from the University of East Anglia has found that wearing face masks did not lower the risk of Covid infection following the initial surge of the Omicron variant.
I went outside when the masking was carrying on where I live. People were smoking 15 metres away and I with a mask on could smell their cigarette smoke. If i could smell the cigarette smoke that they had just breathed out for sure I would be breathing in any virus particles that were riding around on the larger smoke particles.
The odd thing in my family and circle of friends is that the only symptomatic Covid is being suffered by family or friends who have had a booster fairly recently. One of the problems is that the vaccine produecers say you shouldnt have the vaccine if you have recently had Covid. However with the tests being potentially ineffective on the current strains many people are probably having asymptomatic or barely symptomatic covid and then having a booster and having a bad bout of Covid which may be a reaction to mild Covid combined with a booster
@SiRushBass indeed. Because the Western authorities choose not to inform us and try hard to suppress reports issued which don't support their narrative. After 40 years in a professional career trained to be sceptical and having dealt with governments, regulators and global corporations I'm not going to stop being sceptical now. I don't know the answers but I'm not accepting official answers that have little or no real scientific evidence
The evidence to suggest it helps once you've already had the virus is weak. It should have been stopped as soon as 99% of the population have been infected.
It was the forth covid vaccination that made me feel so ill😢 it was my second Pfizer, one after the other. I’m still breathless and feel a great weight on my chest.
I was 64 years old at the time of this event. I received 2 vaccines, the second one, in March 2022. In August, I suffered from covid for about 3 weeks. 2 weeks after I recovered, I was hit with a very serious UTI, my first in my life. I had blood work done and discovered my PSA was 62. After a series of tests and biopsies, I was diagnosed with Gleason 8 aggressive prostate cancer. One data point doesn't result in a pattern. Have you come across any other cases such as mine?
You also need to remember that the main reason for lockdowns was to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed. Much was also unknown about the virus. If hospitals are overwhelmed, that prevents adequate treatment for the rest of the population, including children and the working age population. Even as it was, there was rationing of treatment in hospitals and care homes. This included working age adults with health conditions and disabilities, not only those nearing the end of life. Tim's take is far too simplistic
No jabs, working face to face, lite exercise , high fibre diet- i still wait for my first covid infection .. end of 2024. My mom same. My children had jabs and had infection. I gried to get it from them and failed. The study should be done on people who had no jabs and no infection.
Schools are just huge germ factories. So wasn't the shutting down of schools not just due to the death rate but also the rate of long covid which seems to have already left many countries with large swathes of people long term ill and unable to work? Along with filling up hospital beds everywhere of course. I wouldn't mind betting that schools would have been a great place for new variants to form as well 😀
Yes, school and childcare are where you and everyonelse trained their immune system. So closing these during the covid was the worst thing you can do to these kids. As a matter of facts, those who were at home schooling have a weaker immune system now, and catch and get really sick with normally mild viruses. Facts. And second point: new variants formed extremely well in the "vaxxed population", you know why? I suggest reading some good scientific literature, not just listening to youtube doc.
@@dutertreseb Do you have a link to the facts about kids in lockdown (which lasted no more than a year max) have a weaker (whatever that means) immune system? There is no scientific reason why they should get sicker now compared to prior to lockdown (pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9897809 ). I assume another 'fact' you're implying is vaccines caused new variants? Evidence please. HEres my link www.cdc.gov/covid/vaccines/myths-facts.htmlwww.cdc.gov/covid/vaccines/myths-facts.html
I totally understand and I am sorry for the anxiety this causes. I also take immune suppressant medication for an autoimmune condition. I did get Covid three times. The first two times I was given the anti-virals which helped a lot. The third time was two months ago but it seemed much milder so I didn't take the antivirals. It is important to note that the extent to which a medication lowers the immune system varies a lot so it is not helpful to compare one person to another. I hope your gf stays safe and that others are considerate. (Some people in public places cough and sneeze without covering up and that really annoys me!)
You seid that ZOE also collected data from Sweden. What are the results of the comparision between the Swedish way of handling the pandemic (no lockdown, school closings) and the rest of most countries? Which way could save more lives?
Most children may have experienced the acute stage of a Covid infection as “ like a cold “, but nothing was known of the long - term sequelae ( and still not known ), thus there was much at stake in terms of the precautionary principle re school lockdowns. In addition, children would become infected at school and bring the virus home to vulnerable family members. What the potential harm done to children through knowing they were responsible for infecting their beloved family members ?
I can't disagree with your point, but a balance is needed somewhere. Genuine disruption to society, schooling , travel, work and running up vast government debt has far worse consequences than the infection which ultimately we have all had.
@@jamebrowyes, I agree and introducing measures in schools to mitigate risk of transmission such as increased air filtration would be helpful. Early in the pandemic, there was nothing known about this virus and lock downs were precautionary. As we learned more about the airborne nature of transmission, what was distressing to me was the sole focus on handwashing as a preventative measure.
Yes, it's frustrating the lack of care in our school systems for updating ventilation and HVAC. The mounting evidence we have on Covid's effects on the brain and IQ levels are alarming. No one should be letting their child be infected multiple times, yet so few are reading the science literature on long covid, etc.
@@jamebrow How can you be so sure that not going to school was causing the distress in children, not seeing their parents and grandparents get ill or die (and in distress) possibly from the virus that they picked up in school? Why do suicides in children go down during the summer break? Not all children enjoy school (particularly if they are bullied).
@@circa1890 It is like trying to put new information into their brains while also actively killing their brain cells with repeated Covid infections. It just does not make sense. At all.
I am so glad you started this your app and your advice was very much appreciated, I joined you on 24th March 2020 and reported 781 days . Excellent project fabulous team. If I remember correctly your information was ahead of government’s and more accurate. Thankyou
I would sit outside a coffee shop but not inside, visit little shops, where I was in and out. I avoided crowded indoor spaces. What beggared belief, the delay in shutting down large gatherings of people.
I didn't get jabbed, didn't wear a mask, mixed with lots of people, ate healthy and took my vit C etc. I haven't had a cold or flu since 2007 and I didn't catch this deadly disease, either.
@@flumpaustin1994people like you who deny Covid and it’s effects totally infuriate me! I wish I could have taken you to work with me during pandemic(I am a critical care nurse), wish you went through what we needed to, wish you had the long term consequences of struggling through covid instead of me. Wish you knew what you talk about!
What utter rubbish. You've just lost my ongoing Zoe membership! I don't trust Zoe anymore. My last comment was deleted too. Censorship if you don't go along with this version of CONVID!
my wife has developed micro Crohn's and has developed psoriatic arthritis she is being given different drugs to try and manage the flare-ups and symptoms. Inflammation is the cause of the symptoms and the drugs are designed to manage this. However, it feels like she is being moved from drug to drug in a never-ending experiment to find a drug that works with both conditions. Naturally, she is wary of changing her diet as she doesn't know what the impact would be. Have you done any research into this area and are there any resources we could look at to help her on her quest? Many thanks.
Why do people such as these always seem to miss the point of the public wearing a mask? Its purpose is NOT to protect the wearer, it is to protect everyone else from the wearer. So the most important area of mask use not even discussed. Not wearing a mask did not save your life but you may have killed someone else from a vulnerable group.
Considering the porosity of many masks (600microbes) and the molecular size of the virus (5microbes) I’m not sure how it protected either public or mask user. Those big plastic shield masks were effective. Personally, I think the masks served as a ubiquitous reminder to be scared (this is only my opinion and not backed by evidence).
Iv’e put these two downloads on separate lines to make it easier for you to search. Just cut & past them as written. They are considered the best guidance by people who have used them. Good luck. FLCCC I-RECOVER: Long COVID Treatment World Council for Health - Spike Protein Detox Guide
There were plenty 40-50 year olds going to hospital and going under to be ventilated. Remember not to be very eugenicy, that may be its own mental health issue. There were vulnerable people who were refused ventilation in 2021. Let the bodies pile high was not a fondly remembered policy. Infantilization of people is not good either and pandering to those who throw their toys out of the pram. Sometimes people have to do hard things and suck it up. Preferably not eugenics though.
misinformation right there..."plenty of 40-45 year old going to hospital", sorry mate, plain lie. Median age in hospital was 75 year old, and median average death from covid: 84 years. So stop spreading misinformation please.
Jonathan Wolf’s voice, cadence and upward inflection is painful to listen to; really annoying. I do listen to each of the podcasts because they give over such great information, but it’s not an enjoyable experience because of his voice.
Dont like the editing in the trailer re Tim's vaccinations. Click baiting reduces confidence imo and thats too precious to throw away in such a debate.
Yeah its well clickbaity
Especially for such a topic.
Absolutely agree. I was actually fixated on watching those two parts of the interview and concluded that they slowed down the video in order to introduce a pause that made the viewer wonder if Tim got vaccinated which of course he did. Then the questions about another pandemic. Guys, this is cheap clicks stuff and not worthy of Zoe. Especially given the number of peer reviewed papers that came out of this Covid study.
In the end they are selling a product, but you are correct.
Reading between the lines... he has stopped having the vaccine, possibly because covid is no longer the threat it was or he does not think it's safe enough. Who knows.
The clickbait style intro on "oh did he take the vaccine glum face" not helpful here. Why play games with this topic at all, when there are such powerful anti vax movements online. Be clear and stick to the science on it.
Awful
Yes my stomach sank. We don't need to feed the paranoia.
This channel is really a bit shit. I think they like selling us stuff more than they like informing us.
@@johnclarke8492 "powerful antivax movement"
Jesus Christ. You must be one of those people who supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Propaganda is bad for you.
Last thing we need in the misinformation and anti vax era of RFK. Very disappointing
during COVID my 90 year old grandfather said he wasn't worried about getting it because "you've got to die of something". He valued seeing his grandchildren more than living another year or two but a lonely existence.
The only sensible message from Tim is the importance of diet.
Being fat is a huge health risk.
Who knew..........?
Tim Spector refuses to state that people do not receive year round enough vitamin D from the sun or food. The surges of COVID were like colds, happening in the winter. A respiratory illness consumes the body stores of vitamin D and obese people absorb or sequester vitamin D. Vitamin D deficient people who got infected were 28 times more likely to have a severe case. In the US, I talked to an African American dark skinned person who was in a wheelchair because of her weight and obesity. Her doctor prescribed twice the US maximum of 8000 iu per day.
Another problem was that so many people have unknown underlying health conditions, so many presumed healthy people fared poorly. So many have undiagnosed diabetes, hypertension and cardiovascular disease and we now know those people fared the worst with Covid.
Why are there still more excess deaths after a lot of the weak elderly people have already died??
The Spanish flu particularly killed the healthy part of the population. Covid affected the elderly, but you cannot conclude that a virus always affects the elderly most. Bird flu is likely to affect children badly. Are we then still going to keep schools open?
@@froukehermens2176 It does affect the elderly most. Look at the figures. That doesn't mean it only affects the elderly, just that the risk increases exponentially with age.
@@frederickrich7393 Well, there's a question.
Doesn't seem to be discussing the mRNA factor vs standard vaccines, does he? I will not take another mRNA shot of any kind. I took the initial jab because we work in a funeral home and were constantly bombarded with infected people. We did not take any boosters at all. Caught COVID once in Dec 2021. Have never had a problem again with it. Upped our zinc & D3 instead and it seemed to work fine
The hospital where he works appears to be involved with Moderna developing more mRNA stuff.
@@juliesharp5077yep, follow the money
@@juliesharp5077 Quelle surprise.
Working in the funeral home. The coroner's never mentioned the white clots?
Hi! I listen to your podcasts every week while driving!
After this one I just wanted to comment about the schools. I agree that it was bad for the kids that the schools closed, but it wasn’t as simple as them infecting grandparents. The schools aren’t children alone, there are adult teachers of all ages and risk levels, school secretaries, school nurses, administration etc. I’ve worked as a teacher for almost 30 years and kids have no problem coughing or sneezing in your face (by accident of course) when you get close to help them with their work, they don’t always wash their hands, and they touch everything! I don’t know what the right answer is for a pandemic as far as schools, but there is more to consider than the kids alone.
Thanks!!!
Heather
Good point. And, as you know, many teachers are in tbe 50+ age group with presumably partners at home also in that age category. Closing schools for a few months probably helped reduce transmission rates. Not all children suffered mental health issues by having a few months at home - controversial point to end!
@ yes!!
@@stringsandthreads What about people like me who had to continue working, I am a supermarket worker and in the fortnight before lockdowns the stores were full of panic buying shoppers, the infections hadnt quite reached the peak. The interesting ting is that none of us caught covid in those 2 weeks. By the end of the summer only 2 colleaques out of a total of 114,000 died from covid.
@@icnoble interesting
Saved me writing the same thing.
Also, what about NHS staff? Do we expect them to go through the hell they went through last time? What can be done there?
It would be very interesting to know the numbers of people with long COVID who have been vaccinated multiple times , versus people who have it that are unvaccinated, or had say the initial 3
All my family have had repeated flu and ill ness and had multiple pokes ,I’m 80 no jabs no ill ness
Many people report they came down with Long COVID in 2020, before the COVID Vaccines were released. Many others who developed this condition later report they are UNvaccinated. Clearly, there are other factors beyond COVID vaccination involved, but Long COVID may also result post-vaccination.
Personally, I believe Long COVID, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME, Chronic Lyme Disease, Fibromyalgia, MCAS, and POTS are ALL Chronic Dysfunctions of the Immune System.
It's sad to see the capture, isn't it?
I know a few myself
@@Vacaiable I haven't seen Spector for several years, he and John Campbell used to talk , but went their different ways, I'm a Campbell man myself.
Where’s the comparative data of those vaccinated and those unvaccinated?
Precisely such a shame these brilliant brains are so influenced by sponsorship and keeping up with a narrative
@@chazsmith3866 Sure
everywhere. Thousands of papers. Most can simply be googled.
@@kban77 None of them are good because they lack randomisation. Heck there's even data which shows those who had it had a lower risk of getting involved in a serious road traffic collision.
Everywhere on Google Scholar and also I watched it unfold as one of the 5 million participants on Tim's ZOE study.
If there is so much trust in vaccines how is it still, to date, approved thru emergency use authorization (EUA) for current COVID-19 vaccines (2024-2025 formula) to include a monovalent (single) component that corresponds to the Omicron variant KP.2 strain of SARS-CoV-2?
Put simply, an emergency use authorization (EUA) is a tool the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) can use to expedite the availability of medical products, including drugs and vaccines, during a public health emergency. An EUA can only be granted when no adequate, approved, available alternatives exist, and when the known and potential benefits outweigh the potential risks. An EUA also only lasts as long as the public health emergency.
To me this speaks volumes to not knowing the vaccine risks. & I'm suppose to trust the science?
You do need to remember that children also get long covid. They are still getting LC and also there is more and more being found about the widespread impact of infection on multiple body systems, including neurological. There is insufficient research into the long term effects of covid infection in children.
Furthermore, there is insufficient attention to providing clean air in schools. This is relatively easy to do using HEPA air filtration systems in classrooms.
When I was teaching the windows in my classroom were always open 😁
Got Covid in Nov. 2020, the original Wuhan/Wild strain and never completely recovered. Four years in, and although I have improved , I can honestly say I never have a great or well day. I never received the vaccine(decided I did not want that "spiked protein" , in any form in my body again. I never got any other Covid infection. Covid didn't kill me, but it took my life as I knew it. It robbed me of my ability to work, my long-term health, any assists I had, and my ability to do most of the things I loved doing.
British schools with HEPA filters! Do you have any idea how much a good HEPA filter system costs to buy, install and then maintain? I live in Norway where we generally, in public buildings at least, have one room with a HEPA filter. ( Nuclear shelter ), it's not cheap and requires a lot of planning to make the room tight enough that all the incoming air is filtered. It is much more expensive when it is retrofitted. You haven't got enough money in Britain to sort out the rubbish concrete the schools are made of let alone invest in HEPA.
@@Vacaiable portable HEPA filters are already in use in some UK classrooms. It doesn't need to be nuclear bunker standard to be effective at reducing airborne viruses. Though I agree with you, the investment is a challenge. I believe a rolling programme has already been announced for London primary schools. What cost our children's health?
I do feel that their are many more important studies that have not been done yet. Vaccinated vs not vaccinated for getting reoccurring COVID year after year and also long COVID. I won't get into the major increase in mortality over the last few years but I will say, I have multiple sclerosis and am very very educated on nutrition, exercise, sleep, sunshine and vitamin D so I am a healthy 50 year old woman and I had a mild form of COVID in November 2021, never got it again and never received one shot. I think these studies are important to educate people on how important our metabolic health is when it comes to fighting any kind of virus.
Have you watched Dr John Campbell talking with Dr David Grimes about which kinds of vitamin D, seems we take the wrong one in this country.
You are so lucky if you think it’s over. For those of us with an impaired immune system, such as people with blood cancer, it has never gone away. I’m still having to ‘shield’ and avoid any crowded places, as it is potentially life-threatening to me.
Anyone who wants to protect their health should take steps to avoid is (at least put on an FFP2 mask when going somewhere indoors with other people). I don't understand that people can talk about improving diets on the other hand and not doing anything to avoid Covid on the other hand. It is like taking up smoking, while following a rigorous diet and exercise regime.
People with impaired immune systems are at risk from all viruses, not just covid.
How is it any different to any other virus? There's just more hysteria surrounding it.
I did a 7mg nicotine patch for 6 days. Then I did a NAC oral caps 3 times per week for 2 weeks. It helped me.
@@debbiebledsoe3206how exactly do you know that it helped you?
Don't you see that having only one person is not valid.
Very grateful for your amazing work on reporting the changing covid symptoms. I got the Zoe app at the very beginning and was duly reporting daily for at least two years. In November 2020 I didn’t feel well at work. No cough or shortness of breath, but a very slightly raised temperature and achy bones. I reported that on Zoe. Next day I was advised to go for a test. It turned out to be positive!. Three days later, I lost my sense of taste and smell. All came back after two weeks and I recovered quickly. Had it not been for Zoe, I wouldn’t have gone for a test and would have gone back to work in my school. Thank you for offering me, and many others, a covid test immediately.
Recent research rom India also showing that people who are not vit D deplete are also less likely to get covid and / or long covid
Research from India a while back showed that almost all Indians, including their top athletes, were vit D deficient. Make of that what you will.
@@paulbrightwell3621 if one looks after ones metabolic health one is fine...
I have long Covid for 1 year now since my third Covid infection Oct/23 😢it is terrible! I hope more studies are devoted to long Covid.
My sympathies to you. I had LC for 16 months. I changed my diet WFPB then did a medically supervised 5 day water fast. Fully resolved fatigue and all symptoms. It is possible to recover, don't give up searching for your path to recovery ❤
I also have Long-covid. Got covid in January 2023 and never recovered. Terrible illness. I am on medications to help with symptoms, but nothing cures. They need to show more medical support and provide more funding for Long-covid research.
Probably caused by ultra processed junk foods. It affects your immune system. Also you are deficient in vitamin D.
Best thing you can do is eat real foods and get fresh air and sun outside.
I am glad to that eventually the idea that looking after our immune system is the bodies best line of defense is taken seriously.
May I ask how many covid vaccine shots? It did not occur to you that long covid could be a consequence of your body expressing spike protein in many of your organs, for weeks, sometimes months after each shot??? People are so dumb, I have no sympathy for humans anymore
I think Tim's views on the vaccines greatly undermine his credibility. Adverse reactions in the population were not properly recorded. I had an adverse reaction to my first jab and it took months to even get acknowledged by doctors as I was dismissed by doctors because 'the science' said adverse reactions were very rare. For the vast majority of healthy people I believe the risks of the experimental jabs were far greater than from the virus. I don't think this video or opinion will age well.
OK, so in your particular case your adverse reaction may not have been recorded properly but what *evidence* do you have that it happened to anyone else?
He seems to work at Kings which is involved in developing more mRNA stuff .
@@vatsmith8759No proper evidence. But I believe it will come. There are Facebook groups with thousands of people in similar situations.
@@vatsmith8759 There's plenty of evidence. Some were much worse, such as Lisa Shaw for example. The fact that there was under-reporting is a serious issue and should be addressed.
Professor Carl Heneghan has said that investigating adverse reactions to the vaccines has cost £25m. That's more than has been paid out. Not enough disability in many cases or some such nonsense.
Given Tim was trained in rheumatology, could you do a future episode on autoimmune disease please? Thanks
Dr Ken Berry on a proper human diet can eliminate autoimmune diseases
please having auto immune lupus it would be good to look at this and long covid new auto immune conditions
Some citizen research into auto-immune diseases would be good!
I would like to see Zoe do regular poop microbiome testing on its members following Covid infection, and also those pre and post Covid jab, to see how or if the microbiome changes, and if so, how long to recover to pre-infection/pre-jab microbiome status. Cheers 😊
I would like to see a debate between Prof Angus Dalgleish, Prof David C Anderson, Dr David Grimes and Prof Tim Spector regarding Vit D , Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine as there is so much conflicting evidence.
Will not happen talk tim under the table
I’m curious about there being no mention of Vit D.
I agree! Would be an eye opener.
So if we have a fabulously fit immune system like children COVID won’t have much effect. The key is boosting the immune system making the immune system stronger, and able to fight the virus.
And prof Clancey Oz
I have 4 of Tim Spector's books, respect him a lot as a researcher, that is until he said his research on whether vit D had any effect on covid-19 where the research used 1,000ui and not the now recommended 10,000ui - showed no effect at all.
He is anti vit D because it is cheaper than Zoe.
Who recommends 10,000 IU and do they have a study to prove any benefit?
Why are you angry when someone says there is a study to prove that 1000 IU has no effect.
@@itsjudystubeZoe is not a treatment. Are you daft?
@@brendanmay9585 - If you actually want to know and not just spouting "prove it" statements, look up Dr (and Professor) Angus Dalgleish and his studies & research going back to the 1960s and continuing all the way up to today.
To brendanmay9585 - If you are actually interested and not just making a statement "prove it", look up Dr (and Professor) Angus Dalgleish who has studies and research going back to the 1960s and continuing all the way up to today.
I caught nothing during the entire pandemic. I'm a nurse in a hospital and I'm usually sick with something contagious at least twice a year. I didn't get sick until the masks came off. They worked.
I had a similar experience. I’m a respiratory therapist and wore a mask every time I was around anyone indoors, for a few years. I didn’t catch even a cold during that time.
The Pandemic is ongoing and masks are still effective. But people are afraid to be judged badly for wearing them. I couldn't care less of whaat other people think and continue to mask when in indoor places where there are other humans
I only was wearing face shield, no mask, no jabs, still no infection ... High fibre diet, light exercise, vit d.... Never ill with anything
Same I'm an imaging technologist at a major hospital. Did not get sick at all masks do work.
It doesn't explain why past knowledge and knowledge that other experts tried to impart at the time was ignored, not just the great Barrington declaration but a lot of other things.
Hmm I wonder why the great barrington declaration was ignored?… tough one that one is… jk.
It’s because it was from a libertarian think tank. It was purely political, and its purpose was to allow business and corporations to keep making money, while basically ignoring covid.
“The World Health Organization (WHO) and numerous academic and public-health bodies stated that the strategy would be dangerous and lacked a sound scientific basis.”
The Great Barrington declaration wasn't ignored, scientists looked at it and saw it was misguided.
Yes, this podcast was just the familiar Tim narrative. He's the guru, but actually he ignores stuff (like the GBD) and uses evidence selectively. I first noticed this in The Diet Myth, and he's still the same. Much as I admired the Zoe initiative in 2020 (and he deserved his gong), he just doesn't move on. Incidentally, I'm still submitting a daily report - where's all that data going? The app seems dead.
For all the good work done, I do remember these podcasts downplaying the risks posed by the 2020 Christmas wave as it was developing (I know the variant was an extra curveball, but things still were not looking great), and also downplaying Long Covid, focusing heavily on their app study, but citing little other evidence, leaving the risks, and communicating the seriousness of the long covid risks, underestimated on this podcast. These are serious lessons to take forward for science communicators. From a someone with long covid symptoms since 2021, who was put somewhat at ease by this podcast at the time, falsely. But I still heavily commend many aspects of the good work of course, but more humility, and consideration of others work, can only help. It would also be nice to know the state of play now, so as not to repeat the same mistake - what is the risk of long covid from new infections now? Discussion of this science has essentially died, but I imagine papers about new infections are still being published, and given the majority of covid's health burden will be long covid, we are still leaving ourselves underinformed (I hope the news is good though, but that is not based on hard evidence).
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@@flossie1947 What point specifically? Personalisation or something else? I commended the work twice, I'm just saying it didn't really consider much other work and the potential limitations of the methodology (unavoidable). More from a communication standpoint. Similar might be the sunscreen comments made more recently - it doesn't mean there isn't some valid points in there, but sometimes it's the degree of confidence one shows and how one puts it, that's all I mean. But I appreciate these things are a challenge. The key is to acknowledge that and bring in other voices and researchers also (like they do now on zoe, but in the pandemic, it seemed less collaborative in this way). But I am open to my perceptions also being not perfect of course, it's how it came across to me.
There is excellent ongoing information, and appraisals of studies as they appear, on TWIV (This Week in Virology) and continuing updates on Long Covid/PASC on the weekly TWIV Clinical Updates with Dr Daniel Griffin here on TH-cam.
I remember the opposite about Long COVID. There was a way to record symptoms and reports on LC.
As for the Christmas wave, if numbers of infection were going down then the future will always be an educated guess. How was Tim to know a new variant would occur? I don't think it was purposeful deception.
Listen to Dr Tina Peers for long covid treatments. Runs a clinic in England.
Tim views on the vaccines are contrary to other similarly qualified persons who say they should have never been rolled out in the first place 🤷
Zoe did a fabulous job during COVID. Thank you! ❤
Yes doing as the government told them
They just amplified the fear and nonsense.
@@DavidSmith-rz1pc A friend of mine recently experienced a severe illness with symptoms resembling COVID-19, though she wasn’t tested, so the exact cause is unknown. She endured intense body aches, a high fever with chills, diarrhea, and dizziness. I asked her to imagine how she would have felt if, while experiencing such symptoms, she was watching the news describing a deadly virus spreading worldwide, with daily death counts and no known immunity. She said she would have been terrified.
Psychological stress and fear can negatively impact recovery by weakening the immune system and increasing inflammation. Studies have shown that patients who are informed of grim prognoses-such as being told they have limited time to live-can sometimes experience worse health outcomes due to the nocebo effect, where negative expectations lead to adverse health results.
Adding to this, SAGE (the UK’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) admitted to using psychological manipulation to influence public behavior during the pandemic. This included amplifying fear to encourage compliance with their measures.
Took advantage of an opportunity to develop free research for an app that costs a lot of money and makes him a lot of money
Would Dr Tim Spector have another mRNA covid vaccine be interested to hear his thoughts on the matter?
I would be interested too
I will never have another so called mRNA vaccine. Too many serious injuries have been suffered and little was mentioned about that. This is a serious matter that it seems future vaccines are and will be produced by this genetic type method.
I certainly would not. Lied to and misled into the 2. Realised the idiocy once Omnicron came around (natural vaccine) yet they still wanted to give it to my children?!
And there are still pushing the covid vaccine in the UK this Winter!
Oh, he is showing clear signs of needing another half a dozen!
Another "expert" playing down the valid concern about the Covid vaccines as a concern about ALL vaccines. A valid concern based on analysis of the clinical trials and emergency approval processes by very significant numbers of medical professionals, not just anti-vaxers.
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Tim suggests that schools should have remained open. If that was the policy it's likely the schools would have been closed anyway. Staff sickness would have wiped out the staff, many of whom are elderly teachers, class assistants or admin staff. You can't run schools with skeleton staff.
Spot on thanks..some of our students parents died
Yes, his advice conflicts with IndieSAGE.
He meant not to close the schools for so long.
But the mental health costs suffered by the kids from not ging to school was too big, schools should have stayed open for the kids.
Not supported by the data actually.
Why is no-one asking, when is long-covid long-vax?
Because it happens much more in people who have ever been vaccinated ... but sure continue on mr "free thinker"
post viral syndrome got a re-brand, the big pHARMer can’t resist creating ‘new markets’ out of the old
23:44 A friend worked in a lab that sometimes handled very dangerous transmissible pathogens. Despite all sorts of safety protocols, people make mistakes. Sometimes the wrong thing got sent to the wrong place with the wrong level of safety measures. When it arrives at its destination it might not immediately appear to be the highly dangerous substance it is unless the recipient is paying attention. I honestly believe we're lucky that this sort of thing doesn't happen every few months.
He’s just wrong on this… or I guess just his opinion.
if 'people' make mistakes in such labs with strict protocols (I used to write them when I worked in NHS diagnostic laboratories), then they are liable for severe consequences. You either misunderstood or your 'friend' was exaggerating or it's made-up.
the fact that it doesn't shows that it is relatively hard to spread a virus that way. And when a virus spreads, the way it spreads indicates whether or not it came from a lab. In this case, it doesn't. It spread from bats to the wet market at wuhan. And two lineages spread there, in fact. With evidence. Unlike the lab leak idea.
Interesting to check back with Dr Tim however was disappointed that the truth about the injured is still censored.
What this disucussion underlines is the importance of trust. If the authorities are seen to be lieing than their guidelines on vaccines will be rejected by rational citizens. The recent report from the US that the Covid virus came out of biowarfare by the US using Chinese labs, simply amplifies this basic problem of trust.
Yes and don't forget we were told if we took the jab we couldn't get COVID or pass it on.
Pfizer admitted they never tested it for transmission, so I figured I was lied to, and stopped taking them after 3!!
I'm 73 got it mildly 18 months ago, would never have any MNRA shots again.
Gain of Research
Being immunosuppressed, unable to form any immunity via vaccines, it's still a very big part of our lives.
Yep I agree and if you know someone who is immunosuppressive you are also very conscious it's still with us.
This is understandable. If you have had the virus, you will have some natural immunity, at least for some time.
@MezMezMez1 gf hasn't had Covid yet luckily. She is on medication for an autoimmune disease and doesn't make new antibodies because of it we have to be very careful still, especially as getting antivirals in time , if she did catch it, is a lottery.
But the experts were clear that the immuno suppressed would benefit from being vaccinated. It made no sense to me.
@@fluffyheed9166 They are trying to develop antibodies they can just inject into immunosuppressed patients to give them protection. In 2022 astra zenica produced one which worked and was rolled out to clinically vulnerable people in 32 countries including most of the EU and the USA. This country takes so long to approve new drugs that it stopped being as effective against the newest variants before it could be used and NICE/The Tory govt decided it wasn't worth the money to allow it to be used on the NHS but said people could buy it privately at a cost of £2000 every 6 months.
At the end of 2023, astra zenica's new version of the drug was approved in France and the USA. This country still wouldn't change their approval process so it's still not been rolled out and is starting to lose it's effectiveness against the current variants. They had aimed to make a decision in Dec, then it got pushed back to Jan, march and finally may 2025. About a month ago they suspended the assessment.
America has another antibody they're using but they won't roll it out here because the approval process takes too long and they don't think the UK will pay £5000 per person either.
So until this country changes their approval process to be able to fast track the roll out it'll be this way. Avoiding busy places. Not going into pubs, restaurants etc and wearing masks in shops. There are 1 million vulnerable people doing the same.
The new labour government have already met with campaign groups fighting for vulnerable people with the aim of fast tracking the process so hopefully there will be something that is available and works in the near future. If they don't change the process , drug companies won't bother even trying to roll anything out in this country as it's all changing too quickly.
Since the first drug developed was proven to be effective, in mid 2022, 70,000 clinically vulnerable people have died from Covid.
Currently levels are fairly low countrywide but on average 12 people per day are dying from it . And they are almost exclusively vulnerable or old.
I remember a big problem for schools was that lots of teachers needed to shield or were off sick and the schools couldn't run safely even before official lock down.
Ridiculous app, pinging perfectly well teachers didn’t help
And why force children to bring Covid home and infect their parents and their grandparents? Children do not live in isolation.
@@froukehermens2176 yet we made them live in isolation for nearly 2 years because of that fear at a devastating cost to their well being in the long run...
We have permanently damaged an entire generation because of that fear...
I am not sure on the right move, yes teachers getting was part of the issue, getting multiple doses of covid, being immuno comprised, or being an older aged teacher, but so is the lingering side effects in the children, wanting to stay at home, less confidence, not mixing very with peers, i would interested in how to balance these opposing sides.
@@froukehermens2176 Yes, other countries didn't close the schools and didn't fair any worse than the UK.
I had Long Covid for 16 months. Ultimately overhauled diet to wholefood, mostly plants, then a 5 day water fast. I was desperately ill and the fast was difficult but within days I had my life back. Find your path to enhance your health so your body can heal itself, it's miraculous and I wish everyone the same success ❤❤❤
It'll be interesting to know if Tim's views of the expendability of the elderly change when he gets to 85!
@susanchristian1665 I don't think he is saying that. Just that there is a balance to be struck. Keeping a children away from school for the best part of 2 years was severely detrimental as we now know. Should this happen again, I presume we will have to explore a way of keeping older people safe whilst allowing children to get their schooling.
Anyway, as an older person myself, I would want to ensure my children's children are okay on all levels. It's not a them or us thing.
@@SitaRa-el4re I know it's not, or at least shouldn't be and either or. I just thought he was dismissing us older folk a little flippantly. And as for keeping schools open, a lot of teachers are older people and would almost certainly have been infected by the children, which would have closed schools anyway. What we need is a better way of ensuring children who can't attend school for any reason to still have access to education.
he really wasn't saying that - and I am an elderly person!
Thanks for this review. The Zoe work was so helpful during the first year or two of the pandemic, it’s a shame that Government were so sceptical. Great the way you were able to identify new symptoms, and provide the earliest data on where infection numbers were increasing around the country. Well done.
I can see why it's difficult to trust scientists and governments about vaccines when as you yourselves said there is almost certainly a cover up about where it came from and what's happening in labs!
Doesn't a scientist saying what he did will Improve your confidence in scientists?
Bear in mind that science is a process aiming to get a better understanding, not a way to define facts. The world is very complex, more complex than we can ever find out. .
How does science is a process repair the damage in trust cause by lies and gaslighting? I very distinctly remember thinking that the eating bats thing was bullshit but then if I believed it was a lab leak I was a conspiracy theorist?!
I absolutely believe in science being a process and have no issues with vaccines. But please don't tell me that lying and gaslighting the public about the origin of the virus doesn't damage the credibility and trustworthiness of scientists and governments. That's not science it's abuse.
Scientific process doesn't mean blindly believing people because they say they are scientists. Scientific processes are about making theories and testing their veracity. If people don't or won't admit to mistakes how can we trust thier evidence.
This is further reinforced by the message that was being given when vaccines were being rolled out with a denial of their being side effects instead of the truth and what is being said here that the side effects are rare and worth the risk. I had some insane bruises on both inner thighs after the 2nd vaccine and got chewed out for self harm by a consultant like I'm just trying to report a side effect here I'm not concerned but no one will just record it and send it home because they didn't know what to look out for but I was told I was wasting drs time and attention seeking, as if that's an appropriate reaction to self harm anyway!
His bum must be numb sitting on that fence! Can’t blame him though, it’s working for him.
Tim - you seem out of date on the type of side effects that may now be evident and whilst there have been many studies the ones that appear to produce worse results as regards the danger of side effects are being suppressed. Lets indeed have full transparency in all respects and have proper trials of new vaccines
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Lmao you’re just being fed conservative pseudoscience.. I’m sorry to say 🤷
This man is a world-class scientist. He keeps up with the latest studies. If you think studies are suppressed, there's no way to change your mind. Are you MAGA?
@elizabethsproule5227 he is also compromised by his time advising the government in the first year of Covid.
@@jeremyscott5084 you don’t make sense
Taking advice from someone who bought into taking an experimental, unlicensed & unapproved shot (EUA does not confer approval) is the last thing I would do.
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Err. I think we will have to send you back for reprogramming as you appears to be thinking for yourself.
Are the studies that you cite about vaccines, masks and diet funded by pharmaceutical companies?
Why would pharma companies do research in to diet and marks. No financial benefit to them the angle you are comming from. This things through. This was funded by them as we provide the data. No other trial needed. Think.
John Campbell admitted his mistakes and is trying to right them. Is this bloke? I did not watch it so did he?
No. These data came out of their own study. They repurposed an app designed for their gut microbiome studies and the 20million participants in the study gave their data for nothing, because it made them feel good to participate. Their investors contributed by allowing the scientists to give their time for nothing (but they could not do their normal work as much anyway because of lockdown). It is unlikely that any pharma companies were among the investors because the Zoe study they were originally funding is not about finding new drugs; it's about identifying the foods that are good for your health. The evidence so far is that processed food is bad for you whereas vegetables, nuts, fermented foods and a broad and varied diet are good. You can Google it to find out more.
Excellent comment
As someone who runs clinical trials, when discussing vaccines, the term side effects and adverse events are different.
Side effects are headache, fatigue, arm pain, etc within the first few days of getting it. These are not rare.
AEs are like POTS, longterm hives, high blood pressure, heart issues in general, etc. These are rare but still very much happen.
I'm in VAERS myself due to an AE that lasted 7 months.
What is VAERS?
thanks for bringing this up, very true
@@wisewuneAmerican system where you can report adverse events
@@wisewune Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting through CDC.
They stay with you through the process of the AE and keep track of you.
They also let you know if you can't take the mRNA vaccines anymore - like I was instructed.
@@wisewune Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System
Terrible intro, implying that Tim balked at vaccination. Which is not true. You wanted to create controversy and scepticism to increase views.
The risk of another pandemic is high because corporations operate outside of the law. That's all sorts of corporations, pharmaceutical, arms, ultra processed foods etc. Pandemics are profitable for pharmaceutical corporations, just like wars are profitable for arms corporations and fat people are profitable for ultra processed food corporations.
At the beginning of covid I starting taking Vitamin C Vitamin D zinc and making my own daily juice - from a variety of fruits and veggies. I’m 63, and I’ve never had covid nor have I been vaccinated - but do run regularly. A good diet, regular exercise and rest I believe, are the essential ingredients to a healthy immune system not forgetting having good friends and family around, working purposefully and a strong faith.
pure luck.. and by the way thanks for not having been vaccinated.. we are all out of this nightmare thanks to people like you ahahahahahahh
A strong faith. Okaaayyyyyyy.
You have right a healthy immune is important ❤
Luck.
@@michaelciancetta6397 So true though...
It all showed me just how many people in the world will just blindly follow what others tell them to do without doing extensive research first, especially on something that could potentially harm them.
But can you distinguish between the science and Tim's opinion.
@@Hardiarm I only trust my judgement not so called science or someone else's opinion.
How i feel now about religion
@hiddennugget9413 The root of all hate and evil 😈
I have Long Covid. I can't move on.
Best wishes to you. Hopefully they can get a handle on how to help people.
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Me too! 1 year of long Covid … 😢 after 3rd Covid infection
@debsalvesalve7850 I wish you well, and hopefully we can get our old lives back soon.
@@88batteristaall fingers crossed! My worst symptom is POTS - postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome 😢 (gravity is my enemy) 😢 I hope that we will recover soon! It is strange that I was super healthy! Eating/following Zoe program! Going to the gym almost everyday! I miss going to the gym …
You know, when you keep showing snips at the start and stop before they answer like some Netflix teaser it is rather stupid and off putting.
I’ve great respect for what Tim’s done in raising awareness of gut health importance but when you look at all the data coming out on injury from the novel thing in potentially millions of people I think he’s either in denial or not aware like so many people.
I think he is aware just in denial
He is being careful verycareful
He knows. He’s in denial. Shameful really.
I had 2 lots of jabs then developed heart problems soon after never again will i have the jabs again
And still had covid twice
Me too. Had frightening heart palpitations after 2nd Pfizer and as at 19.11.24 am still suffering same symptoms. When I bring this up with medical profession they all stay silent!
Two concepts to consider: the average age of the people that died and the average number of comorbidities they had.
Also how many of those were given totally inappropriate treatment - no early treatment, being put on ventilators, being given Remdesivir in hospitals or Midazolam in care homes.
Why?
Does it not matter if they die?
very polite English, avoiding the elephant in the room
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Tim rubs his back when he's deeply uncomfortable about what he is saying...tells.
I lost my job as a nurse because I made a choice. 42 years rgn. But I was ridiculed for wanting a mask to wear. March 23rd 2020. I was reported to a top manager for not Turning up for my shift. Yet I was extremely anxious even panicking because I was feeling so protective towards my immediate family...
I had been watching the news and was extremely concerned as my 90 year old mum lived with me and so too was my husband with chronic respiratory disease still being monitored by a specialist.
I did not want to contract covid myself as an asthmatic nor pass it on to my mum and husband who were extremely vulnerable.
My career nose dived
Our income as a family vanished
I have then Iived with feelings of Gratitude for making the right decision but this is over shadowed with sadness at the loss of a career I loved. Plus I have lost mum now following a major stroke. She was discharged to my care at at 02.00hrs a d was nursed to her daily dying for another 3 months
Disappointing presentation. Too many non-facts.
Like what?
The title of this video should be, 5 years 'since the start of' the pandemic (it's still ongoing!), not 'after'.
Exactly. Pandemic still ongoing
And still being promoted
Right? A thousand deaths a week in the US doesn't sound "over" to me. It's amazing how quickly people stopped caring about other human beings.
What was the mechaism for reporting the demise of anyone who had been participating in the Covid study?
From a health economic and even public health point of view in particular it was an absolute disaster. If the gov had only listened to Prof Heneghan’s group at the time.
I had covid when it first come out I was so ill and so lucky to be here but I don't eat much been in hospital with my lungs I have had 4 lots of the covid jab. But it made me so ill know I can not have it
Thank you again for the Zoe Covid App which was such a support throughout those awful months. We both got covid before the vaccination came along and my husband was hospitalised in ICU. I was completing the app for both of us each day and it was reassuring to know we were both part of something positive that was making a difference - not just to us, but to a better understanding of this horrible and almost certainly man-made virus. He survived but suffered from long covid for a number of years, but is now almost back to where he was before, and a lot of that is down to nutrition, rest and appropriate walking in the fresh air. Thank you Zoe Team.
We learnt not to burn your house down to get rid of a wasps nest.
So lets be clear Tim you have only had the first 2 covid vaccines and 1 booster about nov 2021 , are YOU going to have a covid vaccine this winter!! I think NOT!!!
Surely it is about risk, is it not? If the Covid strains are less threatening there is less need for a vaccination unless you have high risk factors. We are not in the position we were in during the first year of the infection.
@@brianbanks2774 TOTALLY AGREE
That sums up me and I'm 70 next year and I'm not going anywhere near an MrNA vaccine for Covid or anything else.
I have had my booster every year since my first three because I don’t like the way long covid affected me after my first infection. Also as an asthmatic over 60 I am higher risk and as a physician I am in contact with patients every day. I also wear my FFP2 every time I have an infectious patient.
? bro what? do you think you need to get EVERY booster and vaccine to be healthy?
Thank you all At Zoe. Appreciate all your hard work. You have done groundbreaking work with our guts ! Knowledge is much needed.
❤❤❤❤ We look after and nurture our gut with more information from you all, although it was pretty nurtured before. ❤
“The vaccines were a success.” 😅 You lost me there. There were/are so many other ways to prevent illness.
Like what?
@@elizabethsproule5227zinc, vitamin D, reduce sugar intake, exercise more
A Cochrane review was conducted into the mandatory face coverings, which found them have no effect. Whether they work or not, is unimportant. The fact is, even if they do work, which is uncertain, in reality too few people wear them properly to have any effect.
Why has he only had the covid jab at least 3 times, a vague answer? He is 66 years old and can have a free jab in the UK if he wants one.
I do not think that 'free' is a reason to take a jab, he Cleary realised it was not appropriate for hm to continue.......but I respect your decision to take all the jabs you are offered for free.
Maybe he got covid, which acts like a jab as far as reducing risk and severity.
Because he doesn't like the risk to reward odds of taking the vaccine shot, simple as that.
Just because its free doesn't mean everyone will choose to have it.
Because it's not offered to everyone unless they are deemed 'clinically vulnerable'
🙏❤.Thank you you kept us going still do.
Thanks for the comments on long covid. After getting Covid in Feb 2020 and having long covid ever since this really needs publicising. It's Awful and my life is nothing like it used to be. The medical profession look on you as if it's the first time they have ever seen it and the only help I have had has been via doing my own research.
You were unlucky to catch a early variant of covid! Once Omicron came along which was much less serious! Africa call Omicron the vaccine they never had to give them immunity!!
I'm sorry to hear that. I've had long covid since August. What did you find out that helped you?
@@LucasShmucas Zinc, antihistamines (H1 and H2), nattokinase, omega 3 and probably the best were B12 and folic acid.
My sympathies to you, and I also had some improvement with nattokinase. I had LC for 16 months. I changed my diet WFPB then did a medically supervised 5 day water fast. Fully resolved fatigue and all symptoms. It is possible to recover, don't give up searching for your path to recovery ❤
@@LetThoseOatsRoll Thanks, many of my neurological problems have lessened but Covid gave me Myocarditis, which second MRI showed had cleared, but I'm still left with my pulse going plus 150 on the slightest thing, eg having a shower, and my cardiologist referred me back to my GP despite my protestations!! (Even though he can see it on my loop recorder.)
Started using the app when advised of it by Nurses Health Study II. Worked as a nurse through Covid in the USA--thankfully on the Med Surg end rather than ICU. Best thing to come out of all of it was discovering that you hadn't gone away when Covid ended and that you have a wonderful nutrition podcast! (I had assumed Zoe was just invented for Covid)
No Zoe was operational about 3yrs prior to Covid
There haven't been any serious studies concluding good efficacy in reduction of infection from mask wearing? There is some evidence for N95s where there is short term interactions... but not for more than a very short period.
A quick Google hit shows this... the latest results from 2024, such as the following show no efficacy in reduction.
New research from the University of East Anglia has found that wearing face masks did not lower the risk of Covid infection following the initial surge of the Omicron variant.
I went outside when the masking was carrying on where I live. People were smoking 15 metres away and I with a mask on could smell their cigarette smoke. If i could smell the cigarette smoke that they had just breathed out for sure I would be breathing in any virus particles that were riding around on the larger smoke particles.
This is a serious study you numbskull! Peer reviewed!
The odd thing in my family and circle of friends is that the only symptomatic Covid is being suffered by family or friends who have had a booster fairly recently. One of the problems is that the vaccine produecers say you shouldnt have the vaccine if you have recently had Covid. However with the tests being potentially ineffective on the current strains many people are probably having asymptomatic or barely symptomatic covid and then having a booster and having a bad bout of Covid which may be a reaction to mild Covid combined with a booster
Tests are still working. We use them daily. Lots of positives
This is the problem. So many uninformed opinions abound
@SiRushBass indeed. Because the Western authorities choose not to inform us and try hard to suppress reports issued which don't support their narrative. After 40 years in a professional career trained to be sceptical and having dealt with governments, regulators and global corporations I'm not going to stop being sceptical now. I don't know the answers but I'm not accepting official answers that have little or no real scientific evidence
The evidence to suggest it helps once you've already had the virus is weak. It should have been stopped as soon as 99% of the population have been infected.
It was the forth covid vaccination that made me feel so ill😢 it was my second Pfizer, one after the other. I’m still breathless and feel a great weight on my chest.
Tim Spector is a Doctor he has to say what the government tell him basically!!
Exactly had the flu jab, but they can keep the covid shot!!
Would you get another one?
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No I wouldn't get any other mRNA type of Vaccine, will still get the flu jab shingles jab ect.
Prof. Was my health guru. His views on those injectable preparations undermines his credibility...
Sounds like BBC trumpet, apart from not toeing the line with the origin.
I was 64 years old at the time of this event. I received 2 vaccines, the second one, in March 2022. In August, I suffered from covid for about 3 weeks. 2 weeks after I recovered, I was hit with a very serious UTI, my first in my life. I had blood work done and discovered my PSA was 62. After a series of tests and biopsies, I was diagnosed with Gleason 8 aggressive prostate cancer. One data point doesn't result in a pattern. Have you come across any other cases such as mine?
You also need to remember that the main reason for lockdowns was to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed. Much was also unknown about the virus. If hospitals are overwhelmed, that prevents adequate treatment for the rest of the population, including children and the working age population. Even as it was, there was rationing of treatment in hospitals and care homes. This included working age adults with health conditions and disabilities, not only those nearing the end of life. Tim's take is far too simplistic
No jabs, working face to face, lite exercise , high fibre diet- i still wait for my first covid infection .. end of 2024. My mom same. My children had jabs and had infection. I gried to get it from them and failed. The study should be done on people who had no jabs and no infection.
Schools are just huge germ factories. So wasn't the shutting down of schools not just due to the death rate but also the rate of long covid which seems to have already left many countries with large swathes of people long term ill and unable to work? Along with filling up hospital beds everywhere of course. I wouldn't mind betting that schools would have been a great place for new variants to form as well 😀
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There is no evidence that "germs" cause disease. Read 'Can You Catch a Cold?' Then enjoy the freedom it brings. Be well
Yes, school and childcare are where you and everyonelse trained their immune system. So closing these during the covid was the worst thing you can do to these kids. As a matter of facts, those who were at home schooling have a weaker immune system now, and catch and get really sick with normally mild viruses. Facts. And second point: new variants formed extremely well in the "vaxxed population", you know why? I suggest reading some good scientific literature, not just listening to youtube doc.
@@dutertreseb Do you have a link to the facts about kids in lockdown (which lasted no more than a year max) have a weaker (whatever that means) immune system? There is no scientific reason why they should get sicker now compared to prior to lockdown (pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9897809 ). I assume another 'fact' you're implying is vaccines caused new variants? Evidence please. HEres my link www.cdc.gov/covid/vaccines/myths-facts.htmlwww.cdc.gov/covid/vaccines/myths-facts.html
Thanks for doing this video. Looking forward to the day Zoe will be available to Canadians .
I totally understand and I am sorry for the anxiety this causes. I also take immune suppressant medication for an autoimmune condition. I did get Covid three times. The first two times I was given the anti-virals which helped a lot. The third time was two months ago but it seemed much milder so I didn't take the antivirals.
It is important to note that the extent to which a medication lowers the immune system varies a lot so it is not helpful to compare one person to another.
I hope your gf stays safe and that others are considerate. (Some people in public places cough and sneeze without covering up and that really annoys me!)
You seid that ZOE also collected data from Sweden. What are the results of the comparision between the Swedish way of handling the pandemic (no lockdown, school closings) and the rest of most countries? Which way could save more lives?
Most children may have experienced the acute stage of a Covid infection as “ like a cold “, but nothing was known of the long - term sequelae ( and still not known ), thus there was much at stake in terms of the precautionary principle re school lockdowns.
In addition, children would become infected at school and bring the virus home to vulnerable family members. What the potential harm done to children through knowing they were responsible for infecting their beloved family members ?
I can't disagree with your point, but a balance is needed somewhere. Genuine disruption to society, schooling , travel, work and running up vast government debt has far worse consequences than the infection which ultimately we have all had.
@@jamebrowyes, I agree and introducing measures in schools to mitigate risk of transmission such as increased air filtration would be helpful. Early in the pandemic, there was nothing known about this virus and lock downs were precautionary. As we learned more about the airborne nature of transmission, what was distressing to me was the sole focus on handwashing as a preventative measure.
Yes, it's frustrating the lack of care in our school systems for updating ventilation and HVAC.
The mounting evidence we have on Covid's effects on the brain and IQ levels are alarming.
No one should be letting their child be infected multiple times, yet so few are reading the science literature on long covid, etc.
@@jamebrow How can you be so sure that not going to school was causing the distress in children, not seeing their parents and grandparents get ill or die (and in distress) possibly from the virus that they picked up in school? Why do suicides in children go down during the summer break? Not all children enjoy school (particularly if they are bullied).
@@circa1890 It is like trying to put new information into their brains while also actively killing their brain cells with repeated Covid infections. It just does not make sense. At all.
Thank you for the time I am sure you all put into this. Great to hear all the latest understanding.
I am so glad you started this your app and your advice was very much appreciated, I joined you on 24th March 2020 and reported 781 days . Excellent project fabulous team. If I remember correctly your information was ahead of government’s and more accurate.
Thankyou
I would sit outside a coffee shop but not inside, visit little shops, where I was in and out.
I avoided crowded indoor spaces.
What beggared belief, the delay in shutting down large gatherings of people.
I didn't get jabbed, didn't wear a mask, mixed with lots of people, ate healthy and took my vit C etc. I haven't had a cold or flu since 2007 and I didn't catch this deadly disease, either.
What's your point? Millions of others died.
Ive had it 9 times the most recent sept 24 @@Known-unknowns
Same.
@@Known-unknownsNo they didn't
@@flumpaustin1994people like you who deny Covid and it’s effects totally infuriate me! I wish I could have taken you to work with me during pandemic(I am a critical care nurse), wish you went through what we needed to, wish you had the long term consequences of struggling through covid instead of me. Wish you knew what you talk about!
I am still reporting daily on the app - is this still worthwhile?
What utter rubbish. You've just lost my ongoing Zoe membership! I don't trust Zoe anymore. My last comment was deleted too. Censorship if you don't go along with this version of CONVID!
Someone pretending to cancel their membership will he a real blow.
I wonder if diet protects.against gene therapy injury.
I don't think myocarditis responded to any diet, you just died.
I know a teacher with long covid, not a happy result. Children are not the only people in schools, please remember.
Damaging children to protect adults is immoral.
Same with all "essential" workers.
Zoe never had adds before but this time too many adds :(
What about the teachers safety?
What about children's mental health, we as teachers work for them don't we?
@@IGEB-k2n You don't die for them.
@@drychaf How many teachers died from COVID caught from kids who would not have died otherwise?
@@KenDavis761 While kids were at home? What are you on about?
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my wife has developed micro Crohn's and has developed psoriatic arthritis she is being given different drugs to try and manage the flare-ups and symptoms. Inflammation is the cause of the symptoms and the drugs are designed to manage this. However, it feels like she is being moved from drug to drug in a never-ending experiment to find a drug that works with both conditions. Naturally, she is wary of changing her diet as she doesn't know what the impact would be. Have you done any research into this area and are there any resources we could look at to help her on her quest? Many thanks.
Why do people such as these always seem to miss the point of the public wearing a mask? Its purpose is NOT to protect the wearer, it is to protect everyone else from the wearer. So the most important area of mask use not even discussed. Not wearing a mask did not save your life but you may have killed someone else from a vulnerable group.
Because Doctors wear masks to protect them from other infections in the hospital. Think about what original masks were made for.
Considering the porosity of many masks (600microbes) and the molecular size of the virus (5microbes) I’m not sure how it protected either public or mask user.
Those big plastic shield masks were effective. Personally, I think the masks served as a ubiquitous reminder to be scared (this is only my opinion and not backed by evidence).
@@TheWobblinghorseDamn, think you’re 100 % right here!
They have proved normal masks are not worth wearing to protect anyone!!
Do viruses travel on their own, or in much larger droplets? I think the latter...
What can we take to elevate long COVID? Any supplements?
Iv’e put these two downloads on separate lines to make it easier for you to search. Just cut & past them as written. They are considered the best guidance by people who have used them. Good luck.
FLCCC I-RECOVER: Long COVID Treatment
World Council for Health - Spike Protein Detox Guide
There were plenty 40-50 year olds going to hospital and going under to be ventilated. Remember not to be very eugenicy, that may be its own mental health issue. There were vulnerable people who were refused ventilation in 2021. Let the bodies pile high was not a fondly remembered policy. Infantilization of people is not good either and pandering to those who throw their toys out of the pram. Sometimes people have to do hard things and suck it up. Preferably not eugenics though.
misinformation right there..."plenty of 40-45 year old going to hospital", sorry mate, plain lie. Median age in hospital was 75 year old, and median average death from covid: 84 years. So stop spreading misinformation please.
One of your best videos. Maybe the best.
Jonathan Wolf’s voice, cadence and upward inflection is painful to listen to; really annoying. I do listen to each of the podcasts because they give over such great information, but it’s not an enjoyable experience because of his voice.
Hi Gary, I tend to read the transcripts rather than listen to the podcasts!!