Dont like the editing in the trailer re Tim's vaccinations. Click baiting reduces confidence imo and thats too precious to throw away in such a debate.
Absolutely agree. I was actually fixated on watching those two parts of the interview and concluded that they slowed down the video in order to introduce a pause that made the viewer wonder if Tim got vaccinated which of course he did. Then the questions about another pandemic. Guys, this is cheap clicks stuff and not worthy of Zoe. Especially given the number of peer reviewed papers that came out of this Covid study.
Reading between the lines... he has stopped having the vaccine, possibly because covid is no longer the threat it was or he does not think it's safe enough. Who knows.
during COVID my 90 year old grandfather said he wasn't worried about getting it because "you've got to die of something". He valued seeing his grandchildren more than living another year or two but a lonely existence.
What your grandfather didn't grasp is - that was never the choice. In a pandemic you are never making a choice only for yourself. Had he contracted covid there is a significant chance he would have infected others, including his grandchildren. Who risked not only death (unlikely but it happened) but long term illness and who knows what future health consequences decades down the track, something he had no need to worry about. His family would probably not have left him to die at home so he could have occupied a hospital bed which might otherwise have been available for a heart attack or road accident victim. He could have infected medical staff and other patients. He might have survived covid despite his age, but been left far worse off health and vigour-wise for his remaining time.
@@catherinebirch8263very insightful response, thank you. (I lost my uncle & grandma in the first few waves. She was in dementia limbo anyway, uncle had cancer and had treatment delayed beyond the point of no return. The economic impact on my daughter will be cumulative and will likely have a lot wider impact for everyone than we yet know).
Unfortunately, there were a great many grandparents who, unlike your 'grandfather', weren't ready to die but lost their lives, thanks largely to a lying, grifting government that denied hospitals and care homes adequate protective wear. Plenty of grandparents missed their families but would have missed them more if they had caught the virus and had passed it onto their children and grandchildren. Fortunately. they weren't as selfish as your 'grandfather' . All he had to do was to pick up his phone and call you for a chat.
@@catherinebirch8263 you're reading too much into my post. I was simply pointing out that there were different perspectives. Given the choice, he would have taken his chances. You might have made a different choice, and that's OK. I think we're all left with some trauma from that time
I caught nothing during the entire pandemic. I'm a nurse in a hospital and I'm usually sick with something contagious at least twice a year. I didn't get sick until the masks came off. They worked.
I had a similar experience. I’m a respiratory therapist and wore a mask every time I was around anyone indoors, for a few years. I didn’t catch even a cold during that time.
The Pandemic is ongoing and masks are still effective. But people are afraid to be judged badly for wearing them. I couldn't care less of whaat other people think and continue to mask when in indoor places where there are other humans
@@redhen689 As a respiratory therapist, you should know the dangers of breathing in what should be exhaled, for example the 4% carbon monoxide in every exhalation. pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › articles › PMC3651886 Carbon Monoxide in Exhaled Breath Testing and Therapeutics
I would like to see a debate between Prof Angus Dalgleish, Prof David C Anderson, Dr David Grimes and Prof Tim Spector regarding Vit D , Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine as there is so much conflicting evidence.
So if we have a fabulously fit immune system like children COVID won’t have much effect. The key is boosting the immune system making the immune system stronger, and able to fight the virus.
Hi! I listen to your podcasts every week while driving! After this one I just wanted to comment about the schools. I agree that it was bad for the kids that the schools closed, but it wasn’t as simple as them infecting grandparents. The schools aren’t children alone, there are adult teachers of all ages and risk levels, school secretaries, school nurses, administration etc. I’ve worked as a teacher for almost 30 years and kids have no problem coughing or sneezing in your face (by accident of course) when you get close to help them with their work, they don’t always wash their hands, and they touch everything! I don’t know what the right answer is for a pandemic as far as schools, but there is more to consider than the kids alone. Thanks!!! Heather
Good point. And, as you know, many teachers are in tbe 50+ age group with presumably partners at home also in that age category. Closing schools for a few months probably helped reduce transmission rates. Not all children suffered mental health issues by having a few months at home - controversial point to end!
@@stringsandthreads What about people like me who had to continue working, I am a supermarket worker and in the fortnight before lockdowns the stores were full of panic buying shoppers, the infections hadnt quite reached the peak. The interesting ting is that none of us caught covid in those 2 weeks. By the end of the summer only 2 colleaques out of a total of 114,000 died from covid.
Saved me writing the same thing. Also, what about NHS staff? Do we expect them to go through the hell they went through last time? What can be done there?
Another problem was that so many people have unknown underlying health conditions, so many presumed healthy people fared poorly. So many have undiagnosed diabetes, hypertension and cardiovascular disease and we now know those people fared the worst with Covid.
The Spanish flu particularly killed the healthy part of the population. Covid affected the elderly, but you cannot conclude that a virus always affects the elderly most. Bird flu is likely to affect children badly. Are we then still going to keep schools open?
@@froukehermens2176 It does affect the elderly most. Look at the figures. That doesn't mean it only affects the elderly, just that the risk increases exponentially with age.
@@frederickrich7393 Because every year there are more older people as we ALL age 1 year. So since March 2020 we now have all the population 4 years older. I'm now 70, back then I was 66 and be leave me I know I'm feeling older and not moving with the same agility, even though I have improved my diet and lost weigh and no longer need some of my medicines.
You are so lucky if you think it’s over. For those of us with an impaired immune system, such as people with blood cancer, it has never gone away. I’m still having to ‘shield’ and avoid any crowded places, as it is potentially life-threatening to me.
Anyone who wants to protect their health should take steps to avoid is (at least put on an FFP2 mask when going somewhere indoors with other people). I don't understand that people can talk about improving diets on the other hand and not doing anything to avoid Covid on the other hand. It is like taking up smoking, while following a rigorous diet and exercise regime.
You seid that ZOE also collected data from Sweden. What are the results of the comparision between the Swedish way of handling the pandemic (no lockdown, school closings) and the rest of most countries? Which way could save more lives?
It would be very interesting to know the numbers of people with long COVID who have been vaccinated multiple times , versus people who have it that are unvaccinated, or had say the initial 3
Many people report they came down with Long COVID in 2020, before the COVID Vaccines were released. Many others who developed this condition later report they are UNvaccinated. Clearly, there are other factors beyond COVID vaccination involved, but Long COVID may also result post-vaccination. Personally, I believe Long COVID, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME, Chronic Lyme Disease, Fibromyalgia, MCAS, and POTS are ALL Chronic Dysfunctions of the Immune System.
I had Long Covid for 16 months. Ultimately overhauled diet to wholefood, mostly plants, then a 5 day water fast. I was desperately ill and the fast was difficult but within days I had my life back. Find your path to enhance your health so your body can heal itself, it's miraculous and I wish everyone the same success ❤❤❤
I think Tim's views on the vaccines greatly undermine his credibility. Adverse reactions in the population were not properly recorded. I had an adverse reaction to my first jab and it took months to even get acknowledged by doctors as I was dismissed by doctors because 'the science' said adverse reactions were very rare. For the vast majority of healthy people I believe the risks of the experimental jabs were far greater than from the virus. I don't think this video or opinion will age well.
OK, so in your particular case your adverse reaction may not have been recorded properly but what *evidence* do you have that it happened to anyone else?
@@vatsmith8759 There's plenty of evidence. Some were much worse, such as Lisa Shaw for example. The fact that there was under-reporting is a serious issue and should be addressed.
Professor Carl Heneghan has said that investigating adverse reactions to the vaccines has cost £25m. That's more than has been paid out. Not enough disability in many cases or some such nonsense.
Thank you again for the Zoe Covid App which was such a support throughout those awful months. We both got covid before the vaccination came along and my husband was hospitalised in ICU. I was completing the app for both of us each day and it was reassuring to know we were both part of something positive that was making a difference - not just to us, but to a better understanding of this horrible and almost certainly man-made virus. He survived but suffered from long covid for a number of years, but is now almost back to where he was before, and a lot of that is down to nutrition, rest and appropriate walking in the fresh air. Thank you Zoe Team.
I will never have another so called mRNA vaccine. Too many serious injuries have been suffered and little was mentioned about that. This is a serious matter that it seems future vaccines are and will be produced by this genetic type method.
I certainly would not. Lied to and misled into the 2. Realised the idiocy once Omnicron came around (natural vaccine) yet they still wanted to give it to my children?!
On a purely personal level, that would be useful. I had two injections and bang, novel psoriatic arthritis crippled me and is on going. Causal or Coincidental, no one will retrospectively be able to tell.
March 2020 a professor got cut off sky news for saying the whole country are mostly vitamin D deficient. I knew that vit D was very important as I had a deficiency in it some years ago . The government knew this, lots of vitamin D experts where telling them. They choose not to listen, no money in vit D.
Very grateful for your amazing work on reporting the changing covid symptoms. I got the Zoe app at the very beginning and was duly reporting daily for at least two years. In November 2020 I didn’t feel well at work. No cough or shortness of breath, but a very slightly raised temperature and achy bones. I reported that on Zoe. Next day I was advised to go for a test. It turned out to be positive!. Three days later, I lost my sense of taste and smell. All came back after two weeks and I recovered quickly. Had it not been for Zoe, I wouldn’t have gone for a test and would have gone back to work in my school. Thank you for offering me, and many others, a covid test immediately.
My sympathies to you. I had LC for 16 months. I changed my diet WFPB then did a medically supervised 5 day water fast. Fully resolved fatigue and all symptoms. It is possible to recover, don't give up searching for your path to recovery ❤
I also have Long-covid. Got covid in January 2023 and never recovered. Terrible illness. I am on medications to help with symptoms, but nothing cures. They need to show more medical support and provide more funding for Long-covid research.
Probably caused by ultra processed junk foods. It affects your immune system. Also you are deficient in vitamin D. Best thing you can do is eat real foods and get fresh air and sun outside.
May I ask how many covid vaccine shots? It did not occur to you that long covid could be a consequence of your body expressing spike protein in many of your organs, for weeks, sometimes months after each shot??? People are so dumb, I have no sympathy for humans anymore
Doesn't seem to be discussing the mRNA factor vs standard vaccines, does he? I will not take another mRNA shot of any kind. I took the initial jab because we work in a funeral home and were constantly bombarded with infected people. We did not take any boosters at all. Caught COVID once in Dec 2021. Have never had a problem again with it. Upped our zinc & D3 instead and it seemed to work fine
I lost my job as a nurse because I made a choice. 42 years rgn. But I was ridiculed for wanting a mask to wear. March 23rd 2020. I was reported to a top manager for not Turning up for my shift. Yet I was extremely anxious even panicking because I was feeling so protective towards my immediate family... I had been watching the news and was extremely concerned as my 90 year old mum lived with me and so too was my husband with chronic respiratory disease still being monitored by a specialist. I did not want to contract covid myself as an asthmatic nor pass it on to my mum and husband who were extremely vulnerable. My career nose dived Our income as a family vanished I have then Iived with feelings of Gratitude for making the right decision but this is over shadowed with sadness at the loss of a career I loved. Plus I have lost mum now following a major stroke. She was discharged to my care at at 02.00hrs a d was nursed to her daily dying for another 3 months
She died in March 2022. It was still covid times. Her funeral which she had organised in advance was poorly supported in person ..so sad as she was so loved by many Her discharge from hospital was from A and E a few hours after admission She was hemiplegic and unable to swallow. Total nursing care needed by me unsupported. Now because I was a nurse ...those in charge thought her discharge from hospital hours after admission was safe ! My DN team wanted me to escalate a d report the terrible decision to discharge She died ... not peaceful... my call for help in those last hours took 5 hours to result in a visit from an out of hours nurse . She died just as the nurse arrived but for 5 hours had suffered. I have been so impacted by all of this it still hurts me at my heart even now. And I was unable to give her a peaceful death which I had promised her. And the difference between a death with symptom relief and without is something that I feel has failed both me a d my mum The Covid scenario for all of us did result in much suffering and heartache. This is my long covid. And I then suffered alopecia aureata. Total hair loss ! And that's also the covid I live with now. And as a woman ro lose your hair is devastating. I also was unable to continue in my profession because during her time dying my registration to nurse ran out. So Iost my job too. So much loss. I still had so much more to give too and miss my wonderful vocation And my story is just one of thousands I know
Tim suggests that schools should have remained open. If that was the policy it's likely the schools would have been closed anyway. Staff sickness would have wiped out the staff, many of whom are elderly teachers, class assistants or admin staff. You can't run schools with skeleton staff.
23:44 A friend worked in a lab that sometimes handled very dangerous transmissible pathogens. Despite all sorts of safety protocols, people make mistakes. Sometimes the wrong thing got sent to the wrong place with the wrong level of safety measures. When it arrives at its destination it might not immediately appear to be the highly dangerous substance it is unless the recipient is paying attention. I honestly believe we're lucky that this sort of thing doesn't happen every few months.
if 'people' make mistakes in such labs with strict protocols (I used to write them when I worked in NHS diagnostic laboratories), then they are liable for severe consequences. You either misunderstood or your 'friend' was exaggerating or it's made-up.
the fact that it doesn't shows that it is relatively hard to spread a virus that way. And when a virus spreads, the way it spreads indicates whether or not it came from a lab. In this case, it doesn't. It spread from bats to the wet market at wuhan. And two lineages spread there, in fact. With evidence. Unlike the lab leak idea.
For all the good work done, I do remember these podcasts downplaying the risks posed by the 2020 Christmas wave as it was developing (I know the variant was an extra curveball, but things still were not looking great), and also downplaying Long Covid, focusing heavily on their app study, but citing little other evidence, leaving the risks, and communicating the seriousness of the long covid risks, underestimated on this podcast. These are serious lessons to take forward for science communicators. From a someone with long covid symptoms since 2021, who was put somewhat at ease by this podcast at the time, falsely. But I still heavily commend many aspects of the good work of course, but more humility, and consideration of others work, can only help. It would also be nice to know the state of play now, so as not to repeat the same mistake - what is the risk of long covid from new infections now? Discussion of this science has essentially died, but I imagine papers about new infections are still being published, and given the majority of covid's health burden will be long covid, we are still leaving ourselves underinformed (I hope the news is good though, but that is not based on hard evidence).
@@flossie1947 What point specifically? Personalisation or something else? I commended the work twice, I'm just saying it didn't really consider much other work and the potential limitations of the methodology (unavoidable). More from a communication standpoint. Similar might be the sunscreen comments made more recently - it doesn't mean there isn't some valid points in there, but sometimes it's the degree of confidence one shows and how one puts it, that's all I mean. But I appreciate these things are a challenge. The key is to acknowledge that and bring in other voices and researchers also (like they do now on zoe, but in the pandemic, it seemed less collaborative in this way). But I am open to my perceptions also being not perfect of course, it's how it came across to me.
There is excellent ongoing information, and appraisals of studies as they appear, on TWIV (This Week in Virology) and continuing updates on Long Covid/PASC on the weekly TWIV Clinical Updates with Dr Daniel Griffin here on TH-cam.
I remember the opposite about Long COVID. There was a way to record symptoms and reports on LC. As for the Christmas wave, if numbers of infection were going down then the future will always be an educated guess. How was Tim to know a new variant would occur? I don't think it was purposeful deception.
You do need to remember that children also get long covid. They are still getting LC and also there is more and more being found about the widespread impact of infection on multiple body systems, including neurological. There is insufficient research into the long term effects of covid infection in children. Furthermore, there is insufficient attention to providing clean air in schools. This is relatively easy to do using HEPA air filtration systems in classrooms.
Got Covid in Nov. 2020, the original Wuhan/Wild strain and never completely recovered. Four years in, and although I have improved , I can honestly say I never have a great or well day. I never received the vaccine(decided I did not want that "spiked protein" , in any form in my body again. I never got any other Covid infection. Covid didn't kill me, but it took my life as I knew it. It robbed me of my ability to work, my long-term health, any assists I had, and my ability to do most of the things I loved doing.
British schools with HEPA filters! Do you have any idea how much a good HEPA filter system costs to buy, install and then maintain? I live in Norway where we generally, in public buildings at least, have one room with a HEPA filter. ( Nuclear shelter ), it's not cheap and requires a lot of planning to make the room tight enough that all the incoming air is filtered. It is much more expensive when it is retrofitted. You haven't got enough money in Britain to sort out the rubbish concrete the schools are made of let alone invest in HEPA.
@@Vacaiable portable HEPA filters are already in use in some UK classrooms. It doesn't need to be nuclear bunker standard to be effective at reducing airborne viruses. Though I agree with you, the investment is a challenge. I believe a rolling programme has already been announced for London primary schools. What cost our children's health?
@susanchristian1665 I don't think he is saying that. Just that there is a balance to be struck. Keeping a children away from school for the best part of 2 years was severely detrimental as we now know. Should this happen again, I presume we will have to explore a way of keeping older people safe whilst allowing children to get their schooling. Anyway, as an older person myself, I would want to ensure my children's children are okay on all levels. It's not a them or us thing.
@@SitaRa-el4re I know it's not, or at least shouldn't be and either or. I just thought he was dismissing us older folk a little flippantly. And as for keeping schools open, a lot of teachers are older people and would almost certainly have been infected by the children, which would have closed schools anyway. What we need is a better way of ensuring children who can't attend school for any reason to still have access to education.
@@SitaRa-el4re They were not away from school for the best part of two years. Children are off school for at least a quarter of a year every year, with no education. Private schools even longer. And home schooling was available, and children could mix outside and online. Generations of children have been remotely educated. My friend with a 1st from Cambridge was entirely home schooled. Schools are not places of magical experiences. Indeed for some they are hellish experiences. The truth is that a LOT of parents couldnt cope with continual exposure to their children, and the myth of children "missing out" was created.
@crichardson4789 it is well documented and factual. I have children and was heavily involved with the teacher/parent council at the time. The issue was isolation and resulting depression and mental issues, especially (for some reason) the girls.
Me too. Had frightening heart palpitations after 2nd Pfizer and as at 19.11.24 am still suffering same symptoms. When I bring this up with medical profession they all stay silent!
I'm curious. Were your covid symptoms mild- or severe & what kind of heart issues? Palpitations, POTS, blood pressure, myocarditis? How long did heart problems last & how severe. In USA pediatric cardiologists are seeing myocarditis from vaccine in young boys mild & quickly resolved compared to myocarditis from covid or other viral infections much more severe & longer lasting.
I became aware I had developed heart palpitations about 2 weeks before I had my first covid vaccine. So glad they started before, otherwise I would have suspected the vaccine. On my mother's side of the family heart palpitations and heart irregularity are pretty much universal from middle-age onwards. Heart palpitations are very common., btw.
I had 2 AZ vaccines with no consequences they took the Pfizer and a month later had severe heart problems. Ended up with a pacemaker and tablets and filled in the yellow card. I don't say it was caused by the Pfizer but it would be great to see the research on the issue
The whole discussion about school closures was interesting. Here in the UK there is one aspect that is missing in that discussion, staff. What are the health impacts on teachers. There is no mention of them whatsoever. IF we are expecting staff to drive through deserted streets during a glaobal pandemic maybe just maybe we should look fundamentally at how we show that we value teachers in the UK. They are a frontline service but throughout the pandemic were rarely shown much love if I'm honest.
As someone who runs clinical trials, when discussing vaccines, the term side effects and adverse events are different. Side effects are headache, fatigue, arm pain, etc within the first few days of getting it. These are not rare. AEs are like POTS, longterm hives, high blood pressure, heart issues in general, etc. These are rare but still very much happen. I'm in VAERS myself due to an AE that lasted 7 months.
@@wisewune Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting through CDC. They stay with you through the process of the AE and keep track of you. They also let you know if you can't take the mRNA vaccines anymore - like I was instructed.
@@kban77 None of them are good because they lack randomisation. Heck there's even data which shows those who had it had a lower risk of getting involved in a serious road traffic collision.
Tim Spector refuses to state that people do not receive year round enough vitamin D from the sun or food. The surges of COVID were like colds, happening in the winter. A respiratory illness consumes the body stores of vitamin D and obese people absorb or sequester vitamin D. Vitamin D deficient people who got infected were 28 times more likely to have a severe case. In the US, I talked to an African American dark skinned person who was in a wheelchair because of her weight and obesity. Her doctor prescribed twice the US maximum of 8000 iu per day.
Did you miss the part about the microbiome? It's not just about obesity (though that is a risk factor). The whole video is sensible; I'm not sure if you were expecting some magic pill or other solution, but this was a retrospective video, not about unveiling a new discovery. I'd also use this as a springboard to recommend people to watch all the other videos on how exactly to help build a healthy microbiome - time constraints and topic focus didn't allow for that here, but they have many other videos covering this.
@zivzulander The role of diet covers the microbiome and almost every other health problem. That is why I am so disappointed in Tim. Ignoring the damage done by the government mandated gene therapy tragically undermines the credibility of the tremendous work that (I thought) he had done on the microbiome， I just don't trust him any more as that omission makes him another schill for Pharma and the government bodies who are still failing to address the disaster.
@ It sure as hell is about obesity. Obesity causes vitamin D deficiency and vitamin d deficiency means immune deficiency, it’s black and white. Sure the micro biome is important. But sunlight (or lamps) for near infrared radiation NIR icould even be more important since NIR stimulates mitochondria to produce melatonin at the intracellular level avoiding digestion all together. Melatonin is a potent anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory, and supplied by NIR which penetrates the whole body and is totally safe.
One of the mistakes of COVID response that we don't seem to have learnt but which is being demonstrated here again is that the response to the next pandemic should be based on what we thought worked well, and what didn't, in the last one. Remembering back to March 2020 we collectively knew very little about how COVID was infecting people and thus what the correct response should be. Hence all the stuff about washing your hands and constantly deep cleaning public transport because that was a known way of stopping the spread of contact diseases, when it now appears that most of the infection spread was via airborne droplet transfer. The WHO was initially telling everyone to _NOT_ mask up, before the advise had to pivot 180 degrees. If the next pandemic isn't respiratory and _does_ adversely effect children as much, or more, than adults but it might take a whilst for those effects to become apparent, not locking down schools will then prove to be the incorrect response. And it might be that wiping down surfaces for that one _is_ the correct response. Its a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation and whatever happens there are likely to be lots of losers in the competition of life.
Tim Spector is a very smart man. But he doesn’t know everything. I was quite disappointed at how certain his positions were on a number of issues. A little humility, particularly when crossing disciplines, is in order.
The fact that Spector has had Covid multiple times tells me a lot about him. I wonder how much he knows about the potential brain damage following Covid infections. He'll be the last to know if it has affected him in that way.
Can we please speak about ME? Myalgic Encephalomyelitis was known since the 1930. There were several epidemic, after which ME cases spiked. ME patients knew in the spring of 2020 that there will be many more cases with ME because of sars-cov-2. This was no surprise but even now you only talk about long covid. ME is the worst form of long covid. Long covid is not a disease but just an umbrella term.
I'm in my fourth year of long covid. I aced a fitness evaluation in January, then got covid in March. My symptoms were very mild. Two weeks after my fever broke I was wrecked - couldn't get one flight of stairs without help, totally out of breath from the exertion of getting dressed, feeling like my arm was about to drop off while brushing my teeth...brain fog that prevented me from being able to understand printed words...I was forced to retire early because I could no longer work. I'm very grateful that rigorous testing proved that I didn't have anything nasty like cancer. I've had some recovery, I'd say to about 50% of my previous wellness. Yes, I've had the vaccine, four doses now, and will continue getting it along with my flu vaccine.
For what its worth Iv’e put these two downloads on separate lines to make it easier for you to search. Just cut & past them as written. They are considered the best guidance by people who have used them. Good luck. FLCCC I-RECOVER: Long COVID Treatment World Council for Health - Spike Protein Detox Guide
I caught coronavirus in Athens February 2024. I called it Athens variant. The symptoms were different. Varied from day to day. I thought I had bronchitis. I was referred to hospital, tested positive positive for Coronavirus. Isolation for five days. A week later, tested positive. Told this was serious. Back in hospital. MRI scan. I was very ill for several weeks. Then long COVID. Spring of this year, a dormant virus flared up. I was told my immune system was compromised. Long COVID, that's why it's called long. A couple of months ago, caught coronavirus a second time. Symptoms of FLiRT variant. Very ill for several weeks. Now once again long COVID. Plus flu and a sickness bug. If I go out, will be exhausted later.
I have 4 of Tim Spector's books, respect him a lot as a researcher, that is until he said his research on whether vit D had any effect on covid-19 using 1,000ui showed no effect at all when the recommended amount is 10,000ui.
Who recommends 10,000 IU and do they have a study to prove any benefit? Why are you angry when someone says there is a study to prove that 1000 IU has no effect.
@@brendanmay9585 - If you actually want to know and not just spouting "prove it" statements, look up Dr (and Professor) Angus Dalgleish and his studies & research going back to the 1960s and continuing all the way up to today.
To brendanmay9585 - If you are actually interested and not just making a statement "prove it", look up Dr (and Professor) Angus Dalgleish who has studies and research going back to the 1960s and continuing all the way up to today.
@@DavidSmith-rz1pc A friend of mine recently experienced a severe illness with symptoms resembling COVID-19, though she wasn’t tested, so the exact cause is unknown. She endured intense body aches, a high fever with chills, diarrhea, and dizziness. I asked her to imagine how she would have felt if, while experiencing such symptoms, she was watching the news describing a deadly virus spreading worldwide, with daily death counts and no known immunity. She said she would have been terrified. Psychological stress and fear can negatively impact recovery by weakening the immune system and increasing inflammation. Studies have shown that patients who are informed of grim prognoses-such as being told they have limited time to live-can sometimes experience worse health outcomes due to the nocebo effect, where negative expectations lead to adverse health results. Adding to this, SAGE (the UK’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) admitted to using psychological manipulation to influence public behavior during the pandemic. This included amplifying fear to encourage compliance with their measures.
Tim - you seem out of date on the type of side effects that may now be evident and whilst there have been many studies the ones that appear to produce worse results as regards the danger of side effects are being suppressed. Lets indeed have full transparency in all respects and have proper trials of new vaccines
This man is a world-class scientist. He keeps up with the latest studies. If you think studies are suppressed, there's no way to change your mind. Are you MAGA?
I've never seen such a ridiculous grapsing at straws in all of my life. A man over 50 sits in an unfamiliar chair for 30 minnutes in an interview, and you are reading things into his back hurting?
@@brockreynolds870 Not grasping at straws at all, I studied psychology - What is a tell in psychology? A tell is an involuntary signal that indicates something that you are trying to hide. Closely observed Body language can reveal the real feelings as opposed to the ones you are pretending or feigning. As for an unfamiliar chair, he is being interviewed by his colleague.
Another "expert" playing down the valid concern about the Covid vaccines as a concern about ALL vaccines. A valid concern based on analysis of the clinical trials and emergency approval processes by very significant numbers of medical professionals, not just anti-vaxers.
I would like to see Zoe do regular poop microbiome testing on its members following Covid infection, and also those pre and post Covid jab, to see how or if the microbiome changes, and if so, how long to recover to pre-infection/pre-jab microbiome status. Cheers 😊
The risk of another pandemic is high because corporations operate outside of the law. That's all sorts of corporations, pharmaceutical, arms, ultra processed foods etc. Pandemics are profitable for pharmaceutical corporations, just like wars are profitable for arms corporations and fat people are profitable for ultra processed food corporations.
You also need to remember that the main reason for lockdowns was to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed. Much was also unknown about the virus. If hospitals are overwhelmed, that prevents adequate treatment for the rest of the population, including children and the working age population. Even as it was, there was rationing of treatment in hospitals and care homes. This included working age adults with health conditions and disabilities, not only those nearing the end of life. Tim's take is far too simplistic
I do feel that their are many more important studies that have not been done yet. Vaccinated vs not vaccinated for getting reoccurring COVID year after year and also long COVID. I won't get into the major increase in mortality over the last few years but I will say, I have multiple sclerosis and am very very educated on nutrition, exercise, sleep, sunshine and vitamin D so I am a healthy 50 year old woman and I had a mild form of COVID in November 2021, never got it again and never received one shot. I think these studies are important to educate people on how important our metabolic health is when it comes to fighting any kind of virus.
You need to learn to read and write properly. Thats why you can't trust anybody, because you don't understand facts evidence and someone making up nonsense for clickbait
No jabs, working face to face, lite exercise , high fibre diet- i still wait for my first covid infection .. end of 2024. My mom same. My children had jabs and had infection. I gried to get it from them and failed. The study should be done on people who had no jabs and no infection.
You could have had an asymptomatic infection & spread it to others. With any infection there are some people who don't get symptoms or don't get it for unknown reasons -genetic hardiness? Super good immune system? Diet? On some other medicine or herb that protects us from it? Who knows?
@@88batteristaall fingers crossed! My worst symptom is POTS - postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome 😢 (gravity is my enemy) 😢 I hope that we will recover soon! It is strange that I was super healthy! Eating/following Zoe program! Going to the gym almost everyday! I miss going to the gym …
Taking advice from someone who bought into taking an experimental, unlicensed & unapproved shot (EUA does not confer approval) is the last thing I would do.
It's been 4 years, and he's still here, and still just fine. Your lot was saying everyone who took it would be gone in 3 years. What happened to all that?
@@brockreynolds870 Typical pejorative response from some who wants to generalise. I have no lot to be associated with, simply a distrust of Cabals wanting to hide their data for 75 years from everyone. I never gave anyone a time zone for death, but clearly you just like to generalise as you have nothing better to add.
@MezMezMez1 gf hasn't had Covid yet luckily. She is on medication for an autoimmune disease and doesn't make new antibodies because of it we have to be very careful still, especially as getting antivirals in time , if she did catch it, is a lottery.
@@fluffyheed9166 They are trying to develop antibodies they can just inject into immunosuppressed patients to give them protection. In 2022 astra zenica produced one which worked and was rolled out to clinically vulnerable people in 32 countries including most of the EU and the USA. This country takes so long to approve new drugs that it stopped being as effective against the newest variants before it could be used and NICE/The Tory govt decided it wasn't worth the money to allow it to be used on the NHS but said people could buy it privately at a cost of £2000 every 6 months. At the end of 2023, astra zenica's new version of the drug was approved in France and the USA. This country still wouldn't change their approval process so it's still not been rolled out and is starting to lose it's effectiveness against the current variants. They had aimed to make a decision in Dec, then it got pushed back to Jan, march and finally may 2025. About a month ago they suspended the assessment. America has another antibody they're using but they won't roll it out here because the approval process takes too long and they don't think the UK will pay £5000 per person either. So until this country changes their approval process to be able to fast track the roll out it'll be this way. Avoiding busy places. Not going into pubs, restaurants etc and wearing masks in shops. There are 1 million vulnerable people doing the same. The new labour government have already met with campaign groups fighting for vulnerable people with the aim of fast tracking the process so hopefully there will be something that is available and works in the near future. If they don't change the process , drug companies won't bother even trying to roll anything out in this country as it's all changing too quickly. Since the first drug developed was proven to be effective, in mid 2022, 70,000 clinically vulnerable people have died from Covid. Currently levels are fairly low countrywide but on average 12 people per day are dying from it . And they are almost exclusively vulnerable or old.
There haven't been any serious studies concluding good efficacy in reduction of infection from mask wearing? There is some evidence for N95s where there is short term interactions... but not for more than a very short period.
A quick Google hit shows this... the latest results from 2024, such as the following show no efficacy in reduction. New research from the University of East Anglia has found that wearing face masks did not lower the risk of Covid infection following the initial surge of the Omicron variant.
I went outside when the masking was carrying on where I live. People were smoking 15 metres away and I with a mask on could smell their cigarette smoke. If i could smell the cigarette smoke that they had just breathed out for sure I would be breathing in any virus particles that were riding around on the larger smoke particles.
Thats not true. There have been multiple studies with various methods used. And it keeps showing quality masks worn properly dramatically reduce the chances of catching a virus
Also how many of those were given totally inappropriate treatment - no early treatment, being put on ventilators, being given Remdesivir in hospitals or Midazolam in care homes.
here in germany the average age of people who died of or with corona was 83. dying age in germany is 82. tells you everything about how dangerous the virus was.
Credibility of Zoe gone with the wind. (App during COVID great and pioneering) Having had Gov monetary support for a while, now having to keep to the narrative. Afraid of the truth. Think of all wonderful professional medics who had courage to speak out and lost their jobs. This podcast an insult to them. Safe and Effective??????? My arse.....
I think Mattias Desmet dealt with this early on regarding Group Think ( yes Drs included. ) I agree no mention of the monstrous bullying of any one speaking out etc. Tim is in a very small box/ bubble. We are truly fecked when a supposed good guy is so ignorant of the wider picture or more worryingly thinks it is not that relevant.
I think Dr. Tim Spector would have been wise to have kept his head down and not made this program about covid. He has now lost his credibility concerning this subject, as well as his respectability in the eyes of many people. Has Dr. Spector been paid by the government to make this program?
If people knew what Long COVID was like, they wouldn't go anywhere without a mask. It's just so tragic to see millions of people walk blindly to their doom. No one has warned them. That 10% risk is not a lifetime risk, that is per infection, and it is additive. We could very well end up with most of the population having Long COVID symptoms like severe fatigue, daily headaches, tinnitus, and so on. The pandemic is far from over. It has barely begun.
Thanks for this review. The Zoe work was so helpful during the first year or two of the pandemic, it’s a shame that Government were so sceptical. Great the way you were able to identify new symptoms, and provide the earliest data on where infection numbers were increasing around the country. Well done.
I’m old! Should I have just died?Am I to blame for the suicidal behavior of others? What were we supposed to do give up and die? Why make people my age and yours Tim feel guilty now?Do watch diet and exercise but that doesn’t mean I wasn’t still vulnerable and so are many others!Not all of us had a healthy life when we were younger and ended up paying for it later! Please don’t be judgmental of us?
I remember a big problem for schools was that lots of teachers needed to shield or were off sick and the schools couldn't run safely even before official lock down.
@@froukehermens2176 yet we made them live in isolation for nearly 2 years because of that fear at a devastating cost to their well being in the long run... We have permanently damaged an entire generation because of that fear...
I am not sure on the right move, yes teachers getting was part of the issue, getting multiple doses of covid, being immuno comprised, or being an older aged teacher, but so is the lingering side effects in the children, wanting to stay at home, less confidence, not mixing very with peers, i would interested in how to balance these opposing sides.
Most children may have experienced the acute stage of a Covid infection as “ like a cold “, but nothing was known of the long - term sequelae ( and still not known ), thus there was much at stake in terms of the precautionary principle re school lockdowns. In addition, children would become infected at school and bring the virus home to vulnerable family members. What the potential harm done to children through knowing they were responsible for infecting their beloved family members ?
I can't disagree with your point, but a balance is needed somewhere. Genuine disruption to society, schooling , travel, work and running up vast government debt has far worse consequences than the infection which ultimately we have all had.
@@jamebrowyes, I agree and introducing measures in schools to mitigate risk of transmission such as increased air filtration would be helpful. Early in the pandemic, there was nothing known about this virus and lock downs were precautionary. As we learned more about the airborne nature of transmission, what was distressing to me was the sole focus on handwashing as a preventative measure.
Yes, it's frustrating the lack of care in our school systems for updating ventilation and HVAC. The mounting evidence we have on Covid's effects on the brain and IQ levels are alarming. No one should be letting their child be infected multiple times, yet so few are reading the science literature on long covid, etc.
@@jamebrow How can you be so sure that not going to school was causing the distress in children, not seeing their parents and grandparents get ill or die (and in distress) possibly from the virus that they picked up in school? Why do suicides in children go down during the summer break? Not all children enjoy school (particularly if they are bullied).
@@circa1890 It is like trying to put new information into their brains while also actively killing their brain cells with repeated Covid infections. It just does not make sense. At all.
Thanks for the comments on long covid. After getting Covid in Feb 2020 and having long covid ever since this really needs publicising. It's Awful and my life is nothing like it used to be. The medical profession look on you as if it's the first time they have ever seen it and the only help I have had has been via doing my own research.
You were unlucky to catch a early variant of covid! Once Omicron came along which was much less serious! Africa call Omicron the vaccine they never had to give them immunity!!
My sympathies to you, and I also had some improvement with nattokinase. I had LC for 16 months. I changed my diet WFPB then did a medically supervised 5 day water fast. Fully resolved fatigue and all symptoms. It is possible to recover, don't give up searching for your path to recovery ❤
@@ThylakoidsRGo Thanks, many of my neurological problems have lessened but Covid gave me Myocarditis, which second MRI showed had cleared, but I'm still left with my pulse going plus 150 on the slightest thing, eg having a shower, and my cardiologist referred me back to my GP despite my protestations!! (Even though he can see it on my loop recorder.)
At the beginning of covid I starting taking Vitamin C Vitamin D zinc and making my own daily juice - from a variety of fruits and veggies. I’m 63, and I’ve never had covid nor have I been vaccinated - but do run regularly. A good diet, regular exercise and rest I believe, are the essential ingredients to a healthy immune system not forgetting having good friends and family around, working purposefully and a strong faith.
In the discussion about kids going to school, teachers weren't mentioned. In a local school where covid spread before lockdown, quite a few teachers were very seriously ill, including one being in a coma for a long time.
I am not able to react favourably when forced to do anything. Don’t try to shame me into buying expensive insurance. Don’t try to scare me into taking medications when I am healthy. Don’t try to sell me “stuff” when I’m in a vulnerable situation. Don’t FORCE me to take medication of any kind before I’ve had lots of time to think about it and do at least some research. My brain doesn’t make good decisions, well it can’t make confident decisions when I’m feeling anxious, panicked or fearful ! To be forbidden by law to shop, work, live opening , to be told “ for the greater good” - isn’t THAT an historically frightening turn of phrase!, to be suddenly aware that I was almost powerless against choices made by someone else - THAT is what terrified me. No virus could do this. Add to that the bizarre behaviour of people made me almost crazy with confusion. I was suddenly an outsider. Why? I was thinking about consequences of forced medical intervention - OH, and there were NO other alternatives to this virus for treatment since they were all removed from the marketplace. I continued to be deeply concerned. I read allot. I read journal article abstracts, I read independent articles… I read and I think. I’m 72 and I’m healthy. I don’t take statins for high cholesterol or Lisinopril for high blood pressure, or …. Nothing. I don’t take the Fall barrage of shots, flu, shingles, RVS the lot. No. Why ?? I have a healthy immune system. I’m disappointed in this episode. I’ve been enthusiastically keen that Zoe was going to be a bright light in the densely biopolitical world of healthcare. This episode is a disappointment. I believe you could have handled this sensitive topic with less attitude in an objective presentation of facts.
Well said, very succinct observations. It's refreshing to know there are people out there who didn't buy into the fear porn & didn't support some of the most corrupt companies wanting to experiment on your body, or politicians trying to control you.
@patriciaroberts9269 The vaccine wasn't all about you though, it was about reducing the chances of you and me passing the virus on to those physically vulnerable to the virus. not emotionally vulnerable like yourself. A small price to pay to help stop the actual vulnerable from dying. Yet people still had a big embarrassing cry about it and turned it all into themselves, just like you did.
24:00 your amateur science skills show up here. There were not obvious cover ups. The emails looks bland and boring. If you were more versed in science you could probably tell the nuance. What there is, however, is lots of evidence of natural spillover. Woroby for example has published papers on it. Two separate lineages both spread to the wet market at different times first. And the spread originated from the wet market. Twice! A lab leak hypothesis (no evidence) (no ACTUAL EVIDENCE) would require a sick worker to go to the exotic animal section of the wet market specifically. And then another lineage spread by another institute worker to go to another stall at the wet market a week or so later. Not likely. I was really enjoying your talk until that moment. Go actually look at what other virologists are saying about the source. They aren't too concerned about some emails. They look at real evidence.
I wish I had stopped at two vaccines, the side effects for me for the 3rd and 4th were not fun, writhing in pain for days after the shots. Yet I had Covid in between the 2nd and 3rd shot, didn't get very sick at all due to being vegan and having been vaccinated twice.
Why would pharma companies do research in to diet and marks. No financial benefit to them the angle you are comming from. This things through. This was funded by them as we provide the data. No other trial needed. Think.
No. These data came out of their own study. They repurposed an app designed for their gut microbiome studies and the 20million participants in the study gave their data for nothing, because it made them feel good to participate. Their investors contributed by allowing the scientists to give their time for nothing (but they could not do their normal work as much anyway because of lockdown). It is unlikely that any pharma companies were among the investors because the Zoe study they were originally funding is not about finding new drugs; it's about identifying the foods that are good for your health. The evidence so far is that processed food is bad for you whereas vegetables, nuts, fermented foods and a broad and varied diet are good. You can Google it to find out more.
@dieutubedie No there are many done by different Universities, also post Grad students, private charities, governments whose politicians who like you wanted to know. and even some antvax groups paid for studies and oversaw them only to be disappointed to find out side effects were very rare. more studies were done by groups that weren't funded by pharmaceutical companies that were. Its the most studied group of vaccines ever done. as so many studies
The app I followed during the years of covid was a letter written by my grandfather 1918... Just by doing the basics, they all survived. I agree with gut health and immunity so have always looked after mine. Ive never had the flu, so on that basis didn't get vaccinated for covid. I was also dealing with stage one grade 3 cancer, the treatment was the norm surgery, chemo, and year on heceptin, I was pressured to get vaccinated, like all cancer patients self isolation is part of the deal. This treatment has side effects, neuropathy hands and feet, my heart function went from 70 to 51, a loss of 19%, pulmonary fibrosis from radiation. By the end of 23 was recovering from treatment, building up my immune system, when got covid, from close family member, he was fully vaccinated, he got very sick, as did I. For me the virus attacked all the damaged parts of me, damage by cancer treatment 10 fold. Im not anti fax, as I've had all my childhood shots. A good supported ammune system will get you through most things 😊
There were plenty 40-50 year olds going to hospital and going under to be ventilated. Remember not to be very eugenicy, that may be its own mental health issue. There were vulnerable people who were refused ventilation in 2021. Let the bodies pile high was not a fondly remembered policy. Infantilization of people is not good either and pandering to those who throw their toys out of the pram. Sometimes people have to do hard things and suck it up. Preferably not eugenics though.
misinformation right there..."plenty of 40-45 year old going to hospital", sorry mate, plain lie. Median age in hospital was 75 year old, and median average death from covid: 84 years. So stop spreading misinformation please.
I was 64 years old at the time of this event. I received 2 vaccines, the second one, in March 2022. In August, I suffered from covid for about 3 weeks. 2 weeks after I recovered, I was hit with a very serious UTI, my first in my life. I had blood work done and discovered my PSA was 62. After a series of tests and biopsies, I was diagnosed with Gleason 8 aggressive prostate cancer. One data point doesn't result in a pattern. Have you come across any other cases such as mine?
The common sense and fact-based info from the Zoe App kept me sane during the pandemic. I was so grateful for your pro-active and dedicated approach. Last year I got a face-to face doctors appointment to look at high blood pressure readings and the health practitioner suggested I take a look at Zoe - which made me smile.
It all showed me just how many people in the world will just blindly follow what others tell them to do without doing extensive research first, especially on something that could potentially harm them.
I would sit outside a coffee shop but not inside, visit little shops, where I was in and out. I avoided crowded indoor spaces. What beggared belief, the delay in shutting down large gatherings of people.
Im always impressed by our hosts ability to encapsulate all of the points of these conversations and use excellent verbal skills to illuminate the full meaning of the conversation. Good work!
I had covid when it first come out I was so ill and so lucky to be here but I don't eat much been in hospital with my lungs I have had 4 lots of the covid jab. But it made me so ill know I can not have it
51:18 I'm surprised people think that. Surely food and health have been linked for ages? 'An apple a day keeps the doctor away' ! We may not have understood why, but the concept is very old. Whether we have bothered to eat healthy foods or feed them to our children, or taken action against lying fast food companies- that's another matter !
Started using the app when advised of it by Nurses Health Study II. Worked as a nurse through Covid in the USA--thankfully on the Med Surg end rather than ICU. Best thing to come out of all of it was discovering that you hadn't gone away when Covid ended and that you have a wonderful nutrition podcast! (I had assumed Zoe was just invented for Covid)
What about all the rising cancer rates and excess deaths in countries that were highly vaccinated ??????????? Will there be another pandemic depends game of function research continues?
I am so glad you started this your app and your advice was very much appreciated, I joined you on 24th March 2020 and reported 781 days . Excellent project fabulous team. If I remember correctly your information was ahead of government’s and more accurate. Thankyou
I totally understand and I am sorry for the anxiety this causes. I also take immune suppressant medication for an autoimmune condition. I did get Covid three times. The first two times I was given the anti-virals which helped a lot. The third time was two months ago but it seemed much milder so I didn't take the antivirals. It is important to note that the extent to which a medication lowers the immune system varies a lot so it is not helpful to compare one person to another. I hope your gf stays safe and that others are considerate. (Some people in public places cough and sneeze without covering up and that really annoys me!)
I can see why it's difficult to trust scientists and governments about vaccines when as you yourselves said there is almost certainly a cover up about where it came from and what's happening in labs!
Doesn't a scientist saying what he did will Improve your confidence in scientists? Bear in mind that science is a process aiming to get a better understanding, not a way to define facts. The world is very complex, more complex than we can ever find out. .
How does science is a process repair the damage in trust cause by lies and gaslighting? I very distinctly remember thinking that the eating bats thing was bullshit but then if I believed it was a lab leak I was a conspiracy theorist?! I absolutely believe in science being a process and have no issues with vaccines. But please don't tell me that lying and gaslighting the public about the origin of the virus doesn't damage the credibility and trustworthiness of scientists and governments. That's not science it's abuse. Scientific process doesn't mean blindly believing people because they say they are scientists. Scientific processes are about making theories and testing their veracity. If people don't or won't admit to mistakes how can we trust thier evidence. This is further reinforced by the message that was being given when vaccines were being rolled out with a denial of their being side effects instead of the truth and what is being said here that the side effects are rare and worth the risk. I had some insane bruises on both inner thighs after the 2nd vaccine and got chewed out for self harm by a consultant like I'm just trying to report a side effect here I'm not concerned but no one will just record it and send it home because they didn't know what to look out for but I was told I was wasting drs time and attention seeking, as if that's an appropriate reaction to self harm anyway!
What this disucussion underlines is the importance of trust. If the authorities are seen to be lieing than their guidelines on vaccines will be rejected by rational citizens. The recent report from the US that the Covid virus came out of biowarfare by the US using Chinese labs, simply amplifies this basic problem of trust.
Yes and don't forget we were told if we took the jab we couldn't get COVID or pass it on. Pfizer admitted they never tested it for transmission, so I figured I was lied to, and stopped taking them after 3!! I'm 73 got it mildly 18 months ago, would never have any MNRA shots again.
Dont like the editing in the trailer re Tim's vaccinations. Click baiting reduces confidence imo and thats too precious to throw away in such a debate.
Yeah its well clickbaity
Especially for such a topic.
Absolutely agree. I was actually fixated on watching those two parts of the interview and concluded that they slowed down the video in order to introduce a pause that made the viewer wonder if Tim got vaccinated which of course he did. Then the questions about another pandemic. Guys, this is cheap clicks stuff and not worthy of Zoe. Especially given the number of peer reviewed papers that came out of this Covid study.
In the end they are selling a product, but you are correct.
Reading between the lines... he has stopped having the vaccine, possibly because covid is no longer the threat it was or he does not think it's safe enough. Who knows.
Terrible intro, implying that Tim balked at vaccination. Which is not true. You wanted to create controversy and scepticism to increase views.
Oh come on. A tease is just a tease. Don’t overthink it.
If he baulked what is the problem anyway? No long term safety data for this new vax.
Yeah if you are trying to be credible please don't put clickbait bullshit in your intros.
It's just click bait. Everybody does it.
Was saying the pandemic was likely to have been started by a lab leak, conspiracy theorists bait ?
during COVID my 90 year old grandfather said he wasn't worried about getting it because "you've got to die of something". He valued seeing his grandchildren more than living another year or two but a lonely existence.
What your grandfather didn't grasp is - that was never the choice. In a pandemic you are never making a choice only for yourself. Had he contracted covid there is a significant chance he would have infected others, including his grandchildren. Who risked not only death (unlikely but it happened) but long term illness and who knows what future health consequences decades down the track, something he had no need to worry about. His family would probably not have left him to die at home so he could have occupied a hospital bed which might otherwise have been available for a heart attack or road accident victim. He could have infected medical staff and other patients.
He might have survived covid despite his age, but been left far worse off health and vigour-wise for his remaining time.
@@catherinebirch8263very insightful response, thank you. (I lost my uncle & grandma in the first few waves. She was in dementia limbo anyway, uncle had cancer and had treatment delayed beyond the point of no return. The economic impact on my daughter will be cumulative and will likely have a lot wider impact for everyone than we yet know).
Unfortunately, there were a great many grandparents who, unlike your 'grandfather', weren't ready to die but lost their lives, thanks largely to a lying, grifting government that denied hospitals and care homes adequate protective wear. Plenty of grandparents missed their families but would have missed them more if they had caught the virus and had passed it onto their children and grandchildren. Fortunately. they weren't as selfish as your 'grandfather' . All he had to do was to pick up his phone and call you for a chat.
@@PhilWhelanNow 'Dementia limbo'?
@@catherinebirch8263 you're reading too much into my post. I was simply pointing out that there were different perspectives. Given the choice, he would have taken his chances. You might have made a different choice, and that's OK. I think we're all left with some trauma from that time
I caught nothing during the entire pandemic. I'm a nurse in a hospital and I'm usually sick with something contagious at least twice a year. I didn't get sick until the masks came off. They worked.
I had a similar experience. I’m a respiratory therapist and wore a mask every time I was around anyone indoors, for a few years. I didn’t catch even a cold during that time.
The Pandemic is ongoing and masks are still effective. But people are afraid to be judged badly for wearing them. I couldn't care less of whaat other people think and continue to mask when in indoor places where there are other humans
I only was wearing face shield, no mask, no jabs, still no infection ... High fibre diet, light exercise, vit d.... Never ill with anything
Same I'm an imaging technologist at a major hospital. Did not get sick at all masks do work.
@@redhen689 As a respiratory therapist, you should know the dangers of breathing in what should be exhaled, for example the 4% carbon monoxide in every exhalation.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › articles › PMC3651886
Carbon Monoxide in Exhaled Breath Testing and Therapeutics
I would like to see a debate between Prof Angus Dalgleish, Prof David C Anderson, Dr David Grimes and Prof Tim Spector regarding Vit D , Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine as there is so much conflicting evidence.
Will not happen talk tim under the table
I’m curious about there being no mention of Vit D.
I agree! Would be an eye opener.
So if we have a fabulously fit immune system like children COVID won’t have much effect. The key is boosting the immune system making the immune system stronger, and able to fight the virus.
And prof Clancey Oz
Hi! I listen to your podcasts every week while driving!
After this one I just wanted to comment about the schools. I agree that it was bad for the kids that the schools closed, but it wasn’t as simple as them infecting grandparents. The schools aren’t children alone, there are adult teachers of all ages and risk levels, school secretaries, school nurses, administration etc. I’ve worked as a teacher for almost 30 years and kids have no problem coughing or sneezing in your face (by accident of course) when you get close to help them with their work, they don’t always wash their hands, and they touch everything! I don’t know what the right answer is for a pandemic as far as schools, but there is more to consider than the kids alone.
Thanks!!!
Heather
Good point. And, as you know, many teachers are in tbe 50+ age group with presumably partners at home also in that age category. Closing schools for a few months probably helped reduce transmission rates. Not all children suffered mental health issues by having a few months at home - controversial point to end!
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@@stringsandthreads What about people like me who had to continue working, I am a supermarket worker and in the fortnight before lockdowns the stores were full of panic buying shoppers, the infections hadnt quite reached the peak. The interesting ting is that none of us caught covid in those 2 weeks. By the end of the summer only 2 colleaques out of a total of 114,000 died from covid.
@@icnoble interesting
Saved me writing the same thing.
Also, what about NHS staff? Do we expect them to go through the hell they went through last time? What can be done there?
Another problem was that so many people have unknown underlying health conditions, so many presumed healthy people fared poorly. So many have undiagnosed diabetes, hypertension and cardiovascular disease and we now know those people fared the worst with Covid.
Why are there still more excess deaths after a lot of the weak elderly people have already died??
The Spanish flu particularly killed the healthy part of the population. Covid affected the elderly, but you cannot conclude that a virus always affects the elderly most. Bird flu is likely to affect children badly. Are we then still going to keep schools open?
@@froukehermens2176 It does affect the elderly most. Look at the figures. That doesn't mean it only affects the elderly, just that the risk increases exponentially with age.
@@frederickrich7393 Well, there's a question.
@@frederickrich7393 Because every year there are more older people as we ALL age 1 year. So since March 2020 we now have all the population 4 years older.
I'm now 70, back then I was 66 and be leave me I know I'm feeling older and not moving with the same agility, even though I have improved my diet and lost weigh and no longer need some of my medicines.
You are so lucky if you think it’s over. For those of us with an impaired immune system, such as people with blood cancer, it has never gone away. I’m still having to ‘shield’ and avoid any crowded places, as it is potentially life-threatening to me.
Anyone who wants to protect their health should take steps to avoid is (at least put on an FFP2 mask when going somewhere indoors with other people). I don't understand that people can talk about improving diets on the other hand and not doing anything to avoid Covid on the other hand. It is like taking up smoking, while following a rigorous diet and exercise regime.
People with impaired immune systems are at risk from all viruses, not just covid.
How is it any different to any other virus? There's just more hysteria surrounding it.
I did a 7mg nicotine patch for 6 days. Then I did a NAC oral caps 3 times per week for 2 weeks. It helped me.
@@debbiebledsoe3206how exactly do you know that it helped you?
Don't you see that having only one person is not valid.
You seid that ZOE also collected data from Sweden. What are the results of the comparision between the Swedish way of handling the pandemic (no lockdown, school closings) and the rest of most countries? Which way could save more lives?
It would be very interesting to know the numbers of people with long COVID who have been vaccinated multiple times , versus people who have it that are unvaccinated, or had say the initial 3
All my family have had repeated flu and ill ness and had multiple pokes ,I’m 80 no jabs no ill ness
Many people report they came down with Long COVID in 2020, before the COVID Vaccines were released. Many others who developed this condition later report they are UNvaccinated. Clearly, there are other factors beyond COVID vaccination involved, but Long COVID may also result post-vaccination.
Personally, I believe Long COVID, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME, Chronic Lyme Disease, Fibromyalgia, MCAS, and POTS are ALL Chronic Dysfunctions of the Immune System.
It's sad to see the capture, isn't it?
I know a few myself
@@Vacaiable I haven't seen Spector for several years, he and John Campbell used to talk , but went their different ways, I'm a Campbell man myself.
I had Long Covid for 16 months. Ultimately overhauled diet to wholefood, mostly plants, then a 5 day water fast. I was desperately ill and the fast was difficult but within days I had my life back. Find your path to enhance your health so your body can heal itself, it's miraculous and I wish everyone the same success ❤❤❤
I think Tim's views on the vaccines greatly undermine his credibility. Adverse reactions in the population were not properly recorded. I had an adverse reaction to my first jab and it took months to even get acknowledged by doctors as I was dismissed by doctors because 'the science' said adverse reactions were very rare. For the vast majority of healthy people I believe the risks of the experimental jabs were far greater than from the virus. I don't think this video or opinion will age well.
OK, so in your particular case your adverse reaction may not have been recorded properly but what *evidence* do you have that it happened to anyone else?
He seems to work at Kings which is involved in developing more mRNA stuff .
@@vatsmith8759No proper evidence. But I believe it will come. There are Facebook groups with thousands of people in similar situations.
@@vatsmith8759 There's plenty of evidence. Some were much worse, such as Lisa Shaw for example. The fact that there was under-reporting is a serious issue and should be addressed.
Professor Carl Heneghan has said that investigating adverse reactions to the vaccines has cost £25m. That's more than has been paid out. Not enough disability in many cases or some such nonsense.
Thank you again for the Zoe Covid App which was such a support throughout those awful months. We both got covid before the vaccination came along and my husband was hospitalised in ICU. I was completing the app for both of us each day and it was reassuring to know we were both part of something positive that was making a difference - not just to us, but to a better understanding of this horrible and almost certainly man-made virus. He survived but suffered from long covid for a number of years, but is now almost back to where he was before, and a lot of that is down to nutrition, rest and appropriate walking in the fresh air. Thank you Zoe Team.
Would Dr Tim Spector have another mRNA covid vaccine be interested to hear his thoughts on the matter?
I would be interested too
I will never have another so called mRNA vaccine. Too many serious injuries have been suffered and little was mentioned about that. This is a serious matter that it seems future vaccines are and will be produced by this genetic type method.
I certainly would not. Lied to and misled into the 2. Realised the idiocy once Omnicron came around (natural vaccine) yet they still wanted to give it to my children?!
And there are still pushing the covid vaccine in the UK this Winter!
Oh, he is showing clear signs of needing another half a dozen!
Given Tim was trained in rheumatology, could you do a future episode on autoimmune disease please? Thanks
Dr Ken Berry on a proper human diet can eliminate autoimmune diseases
please having auto immune lupus it would be good to look at this and long covid new auto immune conditions
Some citizen research into auto-immune diseases would be good!
On a purely personal level, that would be useful. I had two injections and bang, novel psoriatic arthritis crippled me and is on going. Causal or Coincidental, no one will retrospectively be able to tell.
Recent research rom India also showing that people who are not vit D deplete are also less likely to get covid and / or long covid
Research from India a while back showed that almost all Indians, including their top athletes, were vit D deficient. Make of that what you will.
@@paulbrightwell3621 if one looks after ones metabolic health one is fine...
March 2020 a professor got cut off sky news for saying the whole country are mostly vitamin D deficient. I knew that vit D was very important as I had a deficiency in it some years ago . The government knew this, lots of vitamin D experts where telling them. They choose not to listen, no money in vit D.
One study means nothing. You need multiple studies repeated to be sure.
Very grateful for your amazing work on reporting the changing covid symptoms. I got the Zoe app at the very beginning and was duly reporting daily for at least two years. In November 2020 I didn’t feel well at work. No cough or shortness of breath, but a very slightly raised temperature and achy bones. I reported that on Zoe. Next day I was advised to go for a test. It turned out to be positive!. Three days later, I lost my sense of taste and smell. All came back after two weeks and I recovered quickly. Had it not been for Zoe, I wouldn’t have gone for a test and would have gone back to work in my school. Thank you for offering me, and many others, a covid test immediately.
I have long Covid for 1 year now since my third Covid infection Oct/23 😢it is terrible! I hope more studies are devoted to long Covid.
My sympathies to you. I had LC for 16 months. I changed my diet WFPB then did a medically supervised 5 day water fast. Fully resolved fatigue and all symptoms. It is possible to recover, don't give up searching for your path to recovery ❤
I also have Long-covid. Got covid in January 2023 and never recovered. Terrible illness. I am on medications to help with symptoms, but nothing cures. They need to show more medical support and provide more funding for Long-covid research.
Probably caused by ultra processed junk foods. It affects your immune system. Also you are deficient in vitamin D.
Best thing you can do is eat real foods and get fresh air and sun outside.
I am glad to that eventually the idea that looking after our immune system is the bodies best line of defense is taken seriously.
May I ask how many covid vaccine shots? It did not occur to you that long covid could be a consequence of your body expressing spike protein in many of your organs, for weeks, sometimes months after each shot??? People are so dumb, I have no sympathy for humans anymore
Doesn't seem to be discussing the mRNA factor vs standard vaccines, does he? I will not take another mRNA shot of any kind. I took the initial jab because we work in a funeral home and were constantly bombarded with infected people. We did not take any boosters at all. Caught COVID once in Dec 2021. Have never had a problem again with it. Upped our zinc & D3 instead and it seemed to work fine
The hospital where he works appears to be involved with Moderna developing more mRNA stuff.
@@juliesharp5077yep, follow the money
@@juliesharp5077 Quelle surprise.
Working in the funeral home. The coroner's never mentioned the white clots?
You might want to try Novavax. It is not an mRNA vaccine.
I lost my job as a nurse because I made a choice. 42 years rgn. But I was ridiculed for wanting a mask to wear. March 23rd 2020. I was reported to a top manager for not Turning up for my shift. Yet I was extremely anxious even panicking because I was feeling so protective towards my immediate family...
I had been watching the news and was extremely concerned as my 90 year old mum lived with me and so too was my husband with chronic respiratory disease still being monitored by a specialist.
I did not want to contract covid myself as an asthmatic nor pass it on to my mum and husband who were extremely vulnerable.
My career nose dived
Our income as a family vanished
I have then Iived with feelings of Gratitude for making the right decision but this is over shadowed with sadness at the loss of a career I loved. Plus I have lost mum now following a major stroke. She was discharged to my care at at 02.00hrs a d was nursed to her daily dying for another 3 months
She died in March 2022. It was still covid times. Her funeral which she had organised in advance was poorly supported in person ..so sad as she was so loved by many
Her discharge from hospital was from A and E a few hours after admission
She was hemiplegic and unable to swallow. Total nursing care needed by me unsupported. Now because I was a nurse ...those in charge thought her discharge from hospital hours after admission was safe !
My DN team wanted me to escalate a d report the terrible decision to discharge
She died ... not peaceful... my call for help in those last hours took 5 hours to result in a visit from an out of hours nurse . She died just as the nurse arrived but for 5 hours had suffered.
I have been so impacted by all of this it still hurts me at my heart even now. And I was unable to give her a peaceful death which I had promised her. And the difference between a death with symptom relief and without is something that I feel has failed both me a d my mum
The Covid scenario for all of us did result in much suffering and heartache. This is my long covid. And I then suffered alopecia aureata. Total hair loss ! And that's also the covid I live with now. And as a woman ro lose your hair is devastating. I also was unable to continue in my profession because during her time dying my registration to nurse ran out. So Iost my job too.
So much loss. I still had so much more to give too and miss my wonderful vocation
And my story is just one of thousands I know
@@janet4153 Your story really moved me. I'm so sorry for what you went through. I hope you're able to heal in time.
Tim suggests that schools should have remained open. If that was the policy it's likely the schools would have been closed anyway. Staff sickness would have wiped out the staff, many of whom are elderly teachers, class assistants or admin staff. You can't run schools with skeleton staff.
Spot on thanks..some of our students parents died
Yes, his advice conflicts with IndieSAGE.
He meant not to close the schools for so long.
But the mental health costs suffered by the kids from not ging to school was too big, schools should have stayed open for the kids.
Not supported by the data actually.
23:44 A friend worked in a lab that sometimes handled very dangerous transmissible pathogens. Despite all sorts of safety protocols, people make mistakes. Sometimes the wrong thing got sent to the wrong place with the wrong level of safety measures. When it arrives at its destination it might not immediately appear to be the highly dangerous substance it is unless the recipient is paying attention. I honestly believe we're lucky that this sort of thing doesn't happen every few months.
He’s just wrong on this… or I guess just his opinion.
if 'people' make mistakes in such labs with strict protocols (I used to write them when I worked in NHS diagnostic laboratories), then they are liable for severe consequences. You either misunderstood or your 'friend' was exaggerating or it's made-up.
the fact that it doesn't shows that it is relatively hard to spread a virus that way. And when a virus spreads, the way it spreads indicates whether or not it came from a lab. In this case, it doesn't. It spread from bats to the wet market at wuhan. And two lineages spread there, in fact. With evidence. Unlike the lab leak idea.
For all the good work done, I do remember these podcasts downplaying the risks posed by the 2020 Christmas wave as it was developing (I know the variant was an extra curveball, but things still were not looking great), and also downplaying Long Covid, focusing heavily on their app study, but citing little other evidence, leaving the risks, and communicating the seriousness of the long covid risks, underestimated on this podcast. These are serious lessons to take forward for science communicators. From a someone with long covid symptoms since 2021, who was put somewhat at ease by this podcast at the time, falsely. But I still heavily commend many aspects of the good work of course, but more humility, and consideration of others work, can only help. It would also be nice to know the state of play now, so as not to repeat the same mistake - what is the risk of long covid from new infections now? Discussion of this science has essentially died, but I imagine papers about new infections are still being published, and given the majority of covid's health burden will be long covid, we are still leaving ourselves underinformed (I hope the news is good though, but that is not based on hard evidence).
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@@flossie1947 What point specifically? Personalisation or something else? I commended the work twice, I'm just saying it didn't really consider much other work and the potential limitations of the methodology (unavoidable). More from a communication standpoint. Similar might be the sunscreen comments made more recently - it doesn't mean there isn't some valid points in there, but sometimes it's the degree of confidence one shows and how one puts it, that's all I mean. But I appreciate these things are a challenge. The key is to acknowledge that and bring in other voices and researchers also (like they do now on zoe, but in the pandemic, it seemed less collaborative in this way). But I am open to my perceptions also being not perfect of course, it's how it came across to me.
There is excellent ongoing information, and appraisals of studies as they appear, on TWIV (This Week in Virology) and continuing updates on Long Covid/PASC on the weekly TWIV Clinical Updates with Dr Daniel Griffin here on TH-cam.
I remember the opposite about Long COVID. There was a way to record symptoms and reports on LC.
As for the Christmas wave, if numbers of infection were going down then the future will always be an educated guess. How was Tim to know a new variant would occur? I don't think it was purposeful deception.
Listen to Dr Tina Peers for long covid treatments. Runs a clinic in England.
You do need to remember that children also get long covid. They are still getting LC and also there is more and more being found about the widespread impact of infection on multiple body systems, including neurological. There is insufficient research into the long term effects of covid infection in children.
Furthermore, there is insufficient attention to providing clean air in schools. This is relatively easy to do using HEPA air filtration systems in classrooms.
When I was teaching the windows in my classroom were always open 😁
Got Covid in Nov. 2020, the original Wuhan/Wild strain and never completely recovered. Four years in, and although I have improved , I can honestly say I never have a great or well day. I never received the vaccine(decided I did not want that "spiked protein" , in any form in my body again. I never got any other Covid infection. Covid didn't kill me, but it took my life as I knew it. It robbed me of my ability to work, my long-term health, any assists I had, and my ability to do most of the things I loved doing.
British schools with HEPA filters! Do you have any idea how much a good HEPA filter system costs to buy, install and then maintain? I live in Norway where we generally, in public buildings at least, have one room with a HEPA filter. ( Nuclear shelter ), it's not cheap and requires a lot of planning to make the room tight enough that all the incoming air is filtered. It is much more expensive when it is retrofitted. You haven't got enough money in Britain to sort out the rubbish concrete the schools are made of let alone invest in HEPA.
@@Vacaiable portable HEPA filters are already in use in some UK classrooms. It doesn't need to be nuclear bunker standard to be effective at reducing airborne viruses. Though I agree with you, the investment is a challenge. I believe a rolling programme has already been announced for London primary schools. What cost our children's health?
@@Vacaiable At the very least, fresh air should be circulated, or windows opened wide from time to time to let in fresh air.
It'll be interesting to know if Tim's views of the expendability of the elderly change when he gets to 85!
@susanchristian1665 I don't think he is saying that. Just that there is a balance to be struck. Keeping a children away from school for the best part of 2 years was severely detrimental as we now know. Should this happen again, I presume we will have to explore a way of keeping older people safe whilst allowing children to get their schooling.
Anyway, as an older person myself, I would want to ensure my children's children are okay on all levels. It's not a them or us thing.
@@SitaRa-el4re I know it's not, or at least shouldn't be and either or. I just thought he was dismissing us older folk a little flippantly. And as for keeping schools open, a lot of teachers are older people and would almost certainly have been infected by the children, which would have closed schools anyway. What we need is a better way of ensuring children who can't attend school for any reason to still have access to education.
he really wasn't saying that - and I am an elderly person!
@@SitaRa-el4re They were not away from school for the best part of two years. Children are off school for at least a quarter of a year every year, with no education. Private schools even longer. And home schooling was available, and children could mix outside and online. Generations of children have been remotely educated. My friend with a 1st from Cambridge was entirely home schooled. Schools are not places of magical experiences. Indeed for some they are hellish experiences. The truth is that a LOT of parents couldnt cope with continual exposure to their children, and the myth of children "missing out" was created.
@crichardson4789 it is well documented and factual. I have children and was heavily involved with the teacher/parent council at the time. The issue was isolation and resulting depression and mental issues, especially (for some reason) the girls.
I had 2 lots of jabs then developed heart problems soon after never again will i have the jabs again
And still had covid twice
Me too. Had frightening heart palpitations after 2nd Pfizer and as at 19.11.24 am still suffering same symptoms. When I bring this up with medical profession they all stay silent!
I'm curious. Were your covid symptoms mild- or severe & what kind of heart issues? Palpitations, POTS, blood pressure, myocarditis? How long did heart problems last & how severe. In USA pediatric cardiologists are seeing myocarditis from vaccine in young boys mild & quickly resolved compared to myocarditis from covid or other viral infections much more severe & longer lasting.
I became aware I had developed heart palpitations about 2 weeks before I had my first covid vaccine. So glad they started before, otherwise I would have suspected the vaccine. On my mother's side of the family heart palpitations and heart irregularity are pretty much universal from middle-age onwards. Heart palpitations are very common., btw.
I had 2 AZ vaccines with no consequences they took the Pfizer and a month later had severe heart problems. Ended up with a pacemaker and tablets and filled in the yellow card. I don't say it was caused by the Pfizer but it would be great to see the research on the issue
It's evil they chose profit and control over health and liberty, this piece of work is still pro lock-downs and it's 2025.
The whole discussion about school closures was interesting. Here in the UK there is one aspect that is missing in that discussion, staff. What are the health impacts on teachers. There is no mention of them whatsoever. IF we are expecting staff to drive through deserted streets during a glaobal pandemic maybe just maybe we should look fundamentally at how we show that we value teachers in the UK. They are a frontline service but throughout the pandemic were rarely shown much love if I'm honest.
Prof. Was my health guru. His views on those injectable preparations undermines his credibility...
As someone who runs clinical trials, when discussing vaccines, the term side effects and adverse events are different.
Side effects are headache, fatigue, arm pain, etc within the first few days of getting it. These are not rare.
AEs are like POTS, longterm hives, high blood pressure, heart issues in general, etc. These are rare but still very much happen.
I'm in VAERS myself due to an AE that lasted 7 months.
What is VAERS?
thanks for bringing this up, very true
@@wisewuneAmerican system where you can report adverse events
@@wisewune Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting through CDC.
They stay with you through the process of the AE and keep track of you.
They also let you know if you can't take the mRNA vaccines anymore - like I was instructed.
@@wisewune Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System
Where’s the comparative data of those vaccinated and those unvaccinated?
Precisely such a shame these brilliant brains are so influenced by sponsorship and keeping up with a narrative
@@chazsmith3866 Sure
everywhere. Thousands of papers. Most can simply be googled.
@@kban77 None of them are good because they lack randomisation. Heck there's even data which shows those who had it had a lower risk of getting involved in a serious road traffic collision.
Everywhere on Google Scholar and also I watched it unfold as one of the 5 million participants on Tim's ZOE study.
The only sensible message from Tim is the importance of diet.
Being fat is a huge health risk.
Who knew..........?
Tim Spector refuses to state that people do not receive year round enough vitamin D from the sun or food. The surges of COVID were like colds, happening in the winter. A respiratory illness consumes the body stores of vitamin D and obese people absorb or sequester vitamin D. Vitamin D deficient people who got infected were 28 times more likely to have a severe case. In the US, I talked to an African American dark skinned person who was in a wheelchair because of her weight and obesity. Her doctor prescribed twice the US maximum of 8000 iu per day.
Did you miss the part about the microbiome? It's not just about obesity (though that is a risk factor). The whole video is sensible; I'm not sure if you were expecting some magic pill or other solution, but this was a retrospective video, not about unveiling a new discovery.
I'd also use this as a springboard to recommend people to watch all the other videos on how exactly to help build a healthy microbiome - time constraints and topic focus didn't allow for that here, but they have many other videos covering this.
@zivzulander The role of diet covers the microbiome and almost every other health problem.
That is why I am so disappointed in Tim.
Ignoring the damage done by the government mandated gene therapy tragically undermines the credibility of the tremendous work that (I thought) he had done on the microbiome，
I just don't trust him any more as that omission makes him another schill for Pharma and the government bodies who are still failing to address the disaster.
@ It sure as hell is about obesity. Obesity causes vitamin D deficiency and vitamin d deficiency means immune deficiency, it’s black and white. Sure the micro biome is important. But sunlight (or lamps) for near infrared radiation NIR icould even be more important since NIR stimulates mitochondria to produce melatonin at the intracellular level avoiding digestion all together. Melatonin is a potent anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory, and supplied by NIR which penetrates the whole body and is totally safe.
@@Radarcb329 totally safe indeed.
AS Opposed to a barely tested gene therapy mandated onto a barely INFORMED even deliberately misinformrd public.
One of the mistakes of COVID response that we don't seem to have learnt but which is being demonstrated here again is that the response to the next pandemic should be based on what we thought worked well, and what didn't, in the last one. Remembering back to March 2020 we collectively knew very little about how COVID was infecting people and thus what the correct response should be. Hence all the stuff about washing your hands and constantly deep cleaning public transport because that was a known way of stopping the spread of contact diseases, when it now appears that most of the infection spread was via airborne droplet transfer. The WHO was initially telling everyone to _NOT_ mask up, before the advise had to pivot 180 degrees. If the next pandemic isn't respiratory and _does_ adversely effect children as much, or more, than adults but it might take a whilst for those effects to become apparent, not locking down schools will then prove to be the incorrect response. And it might be that wiping down surfaces for that one _is_ the correct response.
Its a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation and whatever happens there are likely to be lots of losers in the competition of life.
Tim Spector is a very smart man. But he doesn’t know everything. I was quite disappointed at how certain his positions were on a number of issues. A little humility, particularly when crossing disciplines, is in order.
And you know more lol
The fact that Spector has had Covid multiple times tells me a lot about him. I wonder how much he knows about the potential brain damage following Covid infections. He'll be the last to know if it has affected him in that way.
Not once in this video did I hear the mention of Excess DEATHS due to mRNA gene therapy carried out in covid vacinations
Can we please speak about ME? Myalgic Encephalomyelitis was known since the 1930. There were several epidemic, after which ME cases spiked. ME patients knew in the spring of 2020 that there will be many more cases with ME because of sars-cov-2.
This was no surprise but even now you only talk about long covid. ME is the worst form of long covid. Long covid is not a disease but just an umbrella term.
And about MS? Like ME and LC, MS is also a post-viral syndrome.
I'm in my fourth year of long covid. I aced a fitness evaluation in January, then got covid in March. My symptoms were very mild. Two weeks after my fever broke I was wrecked - couldn't get one flight of stairs without help, totally out of breath from the exertion of getting dressed, feeling like my arm was about to drop off while brushing my teeth...brain fog that prevented me from being able to understand printed words...I was forced to retire early because I could no longer work.
I'm very grateful that rigorous testing proved that I didn't have anything nasty like cancer.
I've had some recovery, I'd say to about 50% of my previous wellness. Yes, I've had the vaccine, four doses now, and will continue getting it along with my flu vaccine.
For what its worth Iv’e put these two downloads on separate lines to make it easier for you to search. Just cut & past them as written. They are considered the best guidance by people who have used them. Good luck.
FLCCC I-RECOVER: Long COVID Treatment
World Council for Health - Spike Protein Detox Guide
It’s pure misery. Keep going.
I caught coronavirus in Athens February 2024. I called it Athens variant. The symptoms were different. Varied from day to day. I thought I had bronchitis. I was referred to hospital, tested positive positive for Coronavirus. Isolation for five days. A week later, tested positive. Told this was serious. Back in hospital. MRI scan. I was very ill for several weeks. Then long COVID.
Spring of this year, a dormant virus flared up. I was told my immune system was compromised. Long COVID, that's why it's called long.
A couple of months ago, caught coronavirus a second time. Symptoms of FLiRT variant. Very ill for several weeks. Now once again long COVID. Plus flu and a sickness bug. If I go out, will be exhausted later.
I have 4 of Tim Spector's books, respect him a lot as a researcher, that is until he said his research on whether vit D had any effect on covid-19 using 1,000ui showed no effect at all when the recommended amount is 10,000ui.
He is anti vit D because it is cheaper than Zoe.
Who recommends 10,000 IU and do they have a study to prove any benefit?
Why are you angry when someone says there is a study to prove that 1000 IU has no effect.
@@itsjudystubeZoe is not a treatment. Are you daft?
@@brendanmay9585 - If you actually want to know and not just spouting "prove it" statements, look up Dr (and Professor) Angus Dalgleish and his studies & research going back to the 1960s and continuing all the way up to today.
To brendanmay9585 - If you are actually interested and not just making a statement "prove it", look up Dr (and Professor) Angus Dalgleish who has studies and research going back to the 1960s and continuing all the way up to today.
Where is the information on the advese effects?
www.gov.uk › government › publications › coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse...
Coronavirus vaccine - summary of Yellow Card reporting
Zoe did a fabulous job during COVID. Thank you! ❤
Yes doing as the government told them
They just amplified the fear and nonsense.
@@DavidSmith-rz1pc A friend of mine recently experienced a severe illness with symptoms resembling COVID-19, though she wasn’t tested, so the exact cause is unknown. She endured intense body aches, a high fever with chills, diarrhea, and dizziness. I asked her to imagine how she would have felt if, while experiencing such symptoms, she was watching the news describing a deadly virus spreading worldwide, with daily death counts and no known immunity. She said she would have been terrified.
Psychological stress and fear can negatively impact recovery by weakening the immune system and increasing inflammation. Studies have shown that patients who are informed of grim prognoses-such as being told they have limited time to live-can sometimes experience worse health outcomes due to the nocebo effect, where negative expectations lead to adverse health results.
Adding to this, SAGE (the UK’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) admitted to using psychological manipulation to influence public behavior during the pandemic. This included amplifying fear to encourage compliance with their measures.
Took advantage of an opportunity to develop free research for an app that costs a lot of money and makes him a lot of money
Tim - you seem out of date on the type of side effects that may now be evident and whilst there have been many studies the ones that appear to produce worse results as regards the danger of side effects are being suppressed. Lets indeed have full transparency in all respects and have proper trials of new vaccines
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Lmao you’re just being fed conservative pseudoscience.. I’m sorry to say 🤷
This man is a world-class scientist. He keeps up with the latest studies. If you think studies are suppressed, there's no way to change your mind. Are you MAGA?
@elizabethsproule5227 he is also compromised by his time advising the government in the first year of Covid.
@@jeremyscott5084 you don’t make sense
Tim rubs his back when he's deeply uncomfortable about what he is saying...tells.
I've never seen such a ridiculous grapsing at straws in all of my life. A man over 50 sits in an unfamiliar chair for 30 minnutes in an interview, and you are reading things into his back hurting?
@@brockreynolds870 Not grasping at straws at all, I studied psychology - What is a tell in psychology?
A tell is an involuntary signal that indicates something that you are trying to hide. Closely observed Body language can reveal the real feelings as opposed to the ones you are pretending or feigning. As for an unfamiliar chair, he is being interviewed by his colleague.
I noticed that too. He's talking like a hostage.
He's sitting there telling bare faced lies. I bet Moderna gave him a nice payment.
I'm wondering where Zoe gets their funding tbh...
Another "expert" playing down the valid concern about the Covid vaccines as a concern about ALL vaccines. A valid concern based on analysis of the clinical trials and emergency approval processes by very significant numbers of medical professionals, not just anti-vaxers.
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I would like to see Zoe do regular poop microbiome testing on its members following Covid infection, and also those pre and post Covid jab, to see how or if the microbiome changes, and if so, how long to recover to pre-infection/pre-jab microbiome status. Cheers 😊
The risk of another pandemic is high because corporations operate outside of the law. That's all sorts of corporations, pharmaceutical, arms, ultra processed foods etc. Pandemics are profitable for pharmaceutical corporations, just like wars are profitable for arms corporations and fat people are profitable for ultra processed food corporations.
You also need to remember that the main reason for lockdowns was to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed. Much was also unknown about the virus. If hospitals are overwhelmed, that prevents adequate treatment for the rest of the population, including children and the working age population. Even as it was, there was rationing of treatment in hospitals and care homes. This included working age adults with health conditions and disabilities, not only those nearing the end of life. Tim's take is far too simplistic
I do feel that their are many more important studies that have not been done yet. Vaccinated vs not vaccinated for getting reoccurring COVID year after year and also long COVID. I won't get into the major increase in mortality over the last few years but I will say, I have multiple sclerosis and am very very educated on nutrition, exercise, sleep, sunshine and vitamin D so I am a healthy 50 year old woman and I had a mild form of COVID in November 2021, never got it again and never received one shot. I think these studies are important to educate people on how important our metabolic health is when it comes to fighting any kind of virus.
Have you watched Dr John Campbell talking with Dr David Grimes about which kinds of vitamin D, seems we take the wrong one in this country.
@juliettacochrane8122 yes, Dr. Campbell is a blessing and have followed him for a few years now.
Covid19 have learn me that I can’t trust nobody
You need to learn to read and write properly. Thats why you can't trust anybody, because you don't understand facts evidence and someone making up nonsense for clickbait
No jabs, working face to face, lite exercise , high fibre diet- i still wait for my first covid infection .. end of 2024. My mom same. My children had jabs and had infection. I gried to get it from them and failed. The study should be done on people who had no jabs and no infection.
You could have had an asymptomatic infection & spread it to others. With any infection there are some people who don't get symptoms or don't get it for unknown reasons -genetic hardiness? Super good immune system? Diet? On some other medicine or herb that protects us from it? Who knows?
I have Long Covid. I can't move on.
Best wishes to you. Hopefully they can get a handle on how to help people.
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Me too! 1 year of long Covid … 😢 after 3rd Covid infection
@debsalvesalve7850 I wish you well, and hopefully we can get our old lives back soon.
@@88batteristaall fingers crossed! My worst symptom is POTS - postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome 😢 (gravity is my enemy) 😢 I hope that we will recover soon! It is strange that I was super healthy! Eating/following Zoe program! Going to the gym almost everyday! I miss going to the gym …
Interesting to check back with Dr Tim however was disappointed that the truth about the injured is still censored.
Taking advice from someone who bought into taking an experimental, unlicensed & unapproved shot (EUA does not confer approval) is the last thing I would do.
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Err. I think we will have to send you back for reprogramming as you appears to be thinking for yourself.
It's been 4 years, and he's still here, and still just fine. Your lot was saying everyone who took it would be gone in 3 years. What happened to all that?
@@brockreynolds870 Typical pejorative response from some who wants to generalise. I have no lot to be associated with, simply a distrust of Cabals wanting to hide their data for 75 years from everyone. I never gave anyone a time zone for death, but clearly you just like to generalise as you have nothing better to add.
@@brockreynolds870 ‘your lot’ 😂🤣😂🤦🏽♂️🥴🤡
Being immunosuppressed, unable to form any immunity via vaccines, it's still a very big part of our lives.
Yep I agree and if you know someone who is immunosuppressive you are also very conscious it's still with us.
This is understandable. If you have had the virus, you will have some natural immunity, at least for some time.
@MezMezMez1 gf hasn't had Covid yet luckily. She is on medication for an autoimmune disease and doesn't make new antibodies because of it we have to be very careful still, especially as getting antivirals in time , if she did catch it, is a lottery.
But the experts were clear that the immuno suppressed would benefit from being vaccinated. It made no sense to me.
@@fluffyheed9166 They are trying to develop antibodies they can just inject into immunosuppressed patients to give them protection. In 2022 astra zenica produced one which worked and was rolled out to clinically vulnerable people in 32 countries including most of the EU and the USA. This country takes so long to approve new drugs that it stopped being as effective against the newest variants before it could be used and NICE/The Tory govt decided it wasn't worth the money to allow it to be used on the NHS but said people could buy it privately at a cost of £2000 every 6 months.
At the end of 2023, astra zenica's new version of the drug was approved in France and the USA. This country still wouldn't change their approval process so it's still not been rolled out and is starting to lose it's effectiveness against the current variants. They had aimed to make a decision in Dec, then it got pushed back to Jan, march and finally may 2025. About a month ago they suspended the assessment.
America has another antibody they're using but they won't roll it out here because the approval process takes too long and they don't think the UK will pay £5000 per person either.
So until this country changes their approval process to be able to fast track the roll out it'll be this way. Avoiding busy places. Not going into pubs, restaurants etc and wearing masks in shops. There are 1 million vulnerable people doing the same.
The new labour government have already met with campaign groups fighting for vulnerable people with the aim of fast tracking the process so hopefully there will be something that is available and works in the near future. If they don't change the process , drug companies won't bother even trying to roll anything out in this country as it's all changing too quickly.
Since the first drug developed was proven to be effective, in mid 2022, 70,000 clinically vulnerable people have died from Covid.
Currently levels are fairly low countrywide but on average 12 people per day are dying from it . And they are almost exclusively vulnerable or old.
There haven't been any serious studies concluding good efficacy in reduction of infection from mask wearing? There is some evidence for N95s where there is short term interactions... but not for more than a very short period.
A quick Google hit shows this... the latest results from 2024, such as the following show no efficacy in reduction.
New research from the University of East Anglia has found that wearing face masks did not lower the risk of Covid infection following the initial surge of the Omicron variant.
I went outside when the masking was carrying on where I live. People were smoking 15 metres away and I with a mask on could smell their cigarette smoke. If i could smell the cigarette smoke that they had just breathed out for sure I would be breathing in any virus particles that were riding around on the larger smoke particles.
This is a serious study you numbskull! Peer reviewed!
Thats not true. There have been multiple studies with various methods used. And it keeps showing quality masks worn properly dramatically reduce the chances of catching a virus
Two concepts to consider: the average age of the people that died and the average number of comorbidities they had.
Also how many of those were given totally inappropriate treatment - no early treatment, being put on ventilators, being given Remdesivir in hospitals or Midazolam in care homes.
Why?
Does it not matter if they die?
here in germany the average age of people who died of or with corona was 83. dying age in germany is 82.
tells you everything about how dangerous the virus was.
Credibility of Zoe gone with the wind. (App during COVID great and pioneering) Having had Gov monetary support for a while, now having to keep to the narrative. Afraid of the truth. Think of all wonderful professional medics who had courage to speak out and lost their jobs. This podcast an insult to them. Safe and Effective??????? My arse.....
I think Mattias Desmet dealt with this early on regarding Group Think ( yes Drs included. ) I agree no mention of the monstrous bullying of any one speaking out etc. Tim is in a very small box/ bubble. We are truly fecked when a supposed good guy is so ignorant of the wider picture or more worryingly thinks it is not that relevant.
I think Dr. Tim Spector would have been wise to have kept his head down and not made this program about covid.
He has now lost his credibility concerning this subject, as well as his respectability in the eyes of many people.
Has Dr. Spector been paid by the government to make this program?
Why is no-one asking, when is long-covid long-vax?
Because it happens much more in people who have ever been vaccinated ... but sure continue on mr "free thinker"
post viral syndrome got a re-brand, the big pHARMer can’t resist creating ‘new markets’ out of the old
Think about all those people who developed Long Covid before vaccines. Do a search in the time range of 2020 alone and see what you can find.
because its so rare.
If people knew what Long COVID was like, they wouldn't go anywhere without a mask. It's just so tragic to see millions of people walk blindly to their doom. No one has warned them. That 10% risk is not a lifetime risk, that is per infection, and it is additive. We could very well end up with most of the population having Long COVID symptoms like severe fatigue, daily headaches, tinnitus, and so on. The pandemic is far from over. It has barely begun.
Thanks for this review. The Zoe work was so helpful during the first year or two of the pandemic, it’s a shame that Government were so sceptical. Great the way you were able to identify new symptoms, and provide the earliest data on where infection numbers were increasing around the country. Well done.
If ZOE is all about the science and nutrition, then stick to it.
It did!
I’m old! Should I have just died?Am I to blame for the suicidal behavior of others? What were we supposed to do give up and die? Why make people my age and yours Tim feel guilty now?Do watch diet and exercise but that doesn’t mean I wasn’t still vulnerable and so are many others!Not all of us had a healthy life when we were younger and ended up paying for it later! Please don’t be judgmental of us?
I remember a big problem for schools was that lots of teachers needed to shield or were off sick and the schools couldn't run safely even before official lock down.
Ridiculous app, pinging perfectly well teachers didn’t help
And why force children to bring Covid home and infect their parents and their grandparents? Children do not live in isolation.
@@froukehermens2176 yet we made them live in isolation for nearly 2 years because of that fear at a devastating cost to their well being in the long run...
We have permanently damaged an entire generation because of that fear...
I am not sure on the right move, yes teachers getting was part of the issue, getting multiple doses of covid, being immuno comprised, or being an older aged teacher, but so is the lingering side effects in the children, wanting to stay at home, less confidence, not mixing very with peers, i would interested in how to balance these opposing sides.
@@froukehermens2176 Yes, other countries didn't close the schools and didn't fair any worse than the UK.
Most children may have experienced the acute stage of a Covid infection as “ like a cold “, but nothing was known of the long - term sequelae ( and still not known ), thus there was much at stake in terms of the precautionary principle re school lockdowns.
In addition, children would become infected at school and bring the virus home to vulnerable family members. What the potential harm done to children through knowing they were responsible for infecting their beloved family members ?
I can't disagree with your point, but a balance is needed somewhere. Genuine disruption to society, schooling , travel, work and running up vast government debt has far worse consequences than the infection which ultimately we have all had.
@@jamebrowyes, I agree and introducing measures in schools to mitigate risk of transmission such as increased air filtration would be helpful. Early in the pandemic, there was nothing known about this virus and lock downs were precautionary. As we learned more about the airborne nature of transmission, what was distressing to me was the sole focus on handwashing as a preventative measure.
Yes, it's frustrating the lack of care in our school systems for updating ventilation and HVAC.
The mounting evidence we have on Covid's effects on the brain and IQ levels are alarming.
No one should be letting their child be infected multiple times, yet so few are reading the science literature on long covid, etc.
@@jamebrow How can you be so sure that not going to school was causing the distress in children, not seeing their parents and grandparents get ill or die (and in distress) possibly from the virus that they picked up in school? Why do suicides in children go down during the summer break? Not all children enjoy school (particularly if they are bullied).
@@circa1890 It is like trying to put new information into their brains while also actively killing their brain cells with repeated Covid infections. It just does not make sense. At all.
Ever since the jabs 3pfizers I’ve got gut inflammation. Cannot get rid of it. 😡
Thanks for the comments on long covid. After getting Covid in Feb 2020 and having long covid ever since this really needs publicising. It's Awful and my life is nothing like it used to be. The medical profession look on you as if it's the first time they have ever seen it and the only help I have had has been via doing my own research.
You were unlucky to catch a early variant of covid! Once Omicron came along which was much less serious! Africa call Omicron the vaccine they never had to give them immunity!!
I'm sorry to hear that. I've had long covid since August. What did you find out that helped you?
@@LucasShmucas Zinc, antihistamines (H1 and H2), nattokinase, omega 3 and probably the best were B12 and folic acid.
My sympathies to you, and I also had some improvement with nattokinase. I had LC for 16 months. I changed my diet WFPB then did a medically supervised 5 day water fast. Fully resolved fatigue and all symptoms. It is possible to recover, don't give up searching for your path to recovery ❤
@@ThylakoidsRGo Thanks, many of my neurological problems have lessened but Covid gave me Myocarditis, which second MRI showed had cleared, but I'm still left with my pulse going plus 150 on the slightest thing, eg having a shower, and my cardiologist referred me back to my GP despite my protestations!! (Even though he can see it on my loop recorder.)
What was the mechaism for reporting the demise of anyone who had been participating in the Covid study?
very polite English, avoiding the elephant in the room
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The title of this video should be, 5 years 'since the start of' the pandemic (it's still ongoing!), not 'after'.
Exactly. Pandemic still ongoing
And still being promoted
Right? A thousand deaths a week in the US doesn't sound "over" to me. It's amazing how quickly people stopped caring about other human beings.
What is the Covid-related mortality for non-elderly persons with no comorbidities????
These self-congratulatory vids hare simply end-to-end ads for Zoe's subscription service.
At the beginning of covid I starting taking Vitamin C Vitamin D zinc and making my own daily juice - from a variety of fruits and veggies. I’m 63, and I’ve never had covid nor have I been vaccinated - but do run regularly. A good diet, regular exercise and rest I believe, are the essential ingredients to a healthy immune system not forgetting having good friends and family around, working purposefully and a strong faith.
pure luck.. and by the way thanks for not having been vaccinated.. we are all out of this nightmare thanks to people like you ahahahahahahh
A strong faith. Okaaayyyyyyy.
You have right a healthy immune is important ❤
Luck.
@@michaelciancetta6397 So true though...
In the discussion about kids going to school, teachers weren't mentioned. In a local school where covid spread before lockdown, quite a few teachers were very seriously ill, including one being in a coma for a long time.
I am not able to react favourably when forced to do anything. Don’t try to shame me into buying expensive insurance. Don’t try to scare me into taking medications when I am healthy. Don’t try to sell me “stuff” when I’m in a vulnerable situation. Don’t FORCE me to take medication of any kind before I’ve had lots of time to think about it and do at least some research. My brain doesn’t make good decisions, well it can’t make confident decisions when I’m feeling anxious, panicked or fearful ! To be forbidden by law to shop, work, live opening , to be told “ for the greater good” - isn’t THAT an historically frightening turn of phrase!, to be suddenly aware that I was almost powerless against choices made by someone else - THAT is what terrified me. No virus could do this. Add to that the bizarre behaviour of people made me almost crazy with confusion. I was suddenly an outsider. Why? I was thinking about consequences of forced medical intervention - OH, and there were NO other alternatives to this virus for treatment since they were all removed from the marketplace. I continued to be deeply concerned. I read allot. I read journal article abstracts, I read independent articles… I read and I think. I’m 72 and I’m healthy. I don’t take statins for high cholesterol or Lisinopril for high blood pressure, or …. Nothing. I don’t take the Fall barrage of shots, flu, shingles, RVS the lot. No. Why ?? I have a healthy immune system. I’m disappointed in this episode. I’ve been enthusiastically keen that Zoe was going to be a bright light in the densely biopolitical world of healthcare. This episode is a disappointment. I believe you could have handled this sensitive topic with less attitude in an objective presentation of facts.
Well said, very succinct observations. It's refreshing to know there are people out there who didn't buy into the fear porn & didn't support some of the most corrupt companies wanting to experiment on your body, or politicians trying to control you.
@patriciaroberts9269 The vaccine wasn't all about you though, it was about reducing the chances of you and me passing the virus on to those physically vulnerable to the virus. not emotionally vulnerable like yourself. A small price to pay to help stop the actual vulnerable from dying. Yet people still had a big embarrassing cry about it and turned it all into themselves, just like you did.
24:00 your amateur science skills show up here. There were not obvious cover ups. The emails looks bland and boring. If you were more versed in science you could probably tell the nuance. What there is, however, is lots of evidence of natural spillover. Woroby for example has published papers on it. Two separate lineages both spread to the wet market at different times first. And the spread originated from the wet market. Twice! A lab leak hypothesis (no evidence) (no ACTUAL EVIDENCE) would require a sick worker to go to the exotic animal section of the wet market specifically. And then another lineage spread by another institute worker to go to another stall at the wet market a week or so later. Not likely.
I was really enjoying your talk until that moment. Go actually look at what other virologists are saying about the source. They aren't too concerned about some emails. They look at real evidence.
I wish I had stopped at two vaccines, the side effects for me for the 3rd and 4th were not fun, writhing in pain for days after the shots. Yet I had Covid in between the 2nd and 3rd shot, didn't get very sick at all due to being vegan and having been vaccinated twice.
Are the studies that you cite about vaccines, masks and diet funded by pharmaceutical companies?
Why would pharma companies do research in to diet and marks. No financial benefit to them the angle you are comming from. This things through. This was funded by them as we provide the data. No other trial needed. Think.
John Campbell admitted his mistakes and is trying to right them. Is this bloke? I did not watch it so did he?
No. These data came out of their own study. They repurposed an app designed for their gut microbiome studies and the 20million participants in the study gave their data for nothing, because it made them feel good to participate. Their investors contributed by allowing the scientists to give their time for nothing (but they could not do their normal work as much anyway because of lockdown). It is unlikely that any pharma companies were among the investors because the Zoe study they were originally funding is not about finding new drugs; it's about identifying the foods that are good for your health. The evidence so far is that processed food is bad for you whereas vegetables, nuts, fermented foods and a broad and varied diet are good. You can Google it to find out more.
Excellent comment
@dieutubedie No there are many done by different Universities, also post Grad students, private charities, governments whose politicians who like you wanted to know. and even some antvax groups paid for studies and oversaw them only to be disappointed to find out side effects were very rare. more studies were done by groups that weren't funded by pharmaceutical companies that were. Its the most studied group of vaccines ever done. as so many studies
The app I followed during the years of covid was a letter written by my grandfather 1918... Just by doing the basics, they all survived.
I agree with gut health and immunity so have always looked after mine. Ive never had the flu, so on that basis didn't get vaccinated for covid.
I was also dealing with stage one grade 3 cancer, the treatment was the norm surgery, chemo, and year on heceptin, I was pressured to get vaccinated, like all cancer patients self isolation is part of the deal. This treatment has side effects, neuropathy hands and feet, my heart function went from 70 to 51, a loss of 19%, pulmonary fibrosis from radiation. By the end of 23 was recovering from treatment, building up my immune system, when got covid, from close family member, he was fully vaccinated, he got very sick, as did I. For me the virus attacked all the damaged parts of me, damage by cancer treatment 10 fold. Im not anti fax, as I've had all my childhood shots. A good supported ammune system will get you through most things 😊
There were plenty 40-50 year olds going to hospital and going under to be ventilated. Remember not to be very eugenicy, that may be its own mental health issue. There were vulnerable people who were refused ventilation in 2021. Let the bodies pile high was not a fondly remembered policy. Infantilization of people is not good either and pandering to those who throw their toys out of the pram. Sometimes people have to do hard things and suck it up. Preferably not eugenics though.
misinformation right there..."plenty of 40-45 year old going to hospital", sorry mate, plain lie. Median age in hospital was 75 year old, and median average death from covid: 84 years. So stop spreading misinformation please.
I was part of the Zoe study . I found it really helpful during the pandemic.
What about the teachers safety?
What about children's mental health, we as teachers work for them don't we?
@@IGEB-k2n You don't die for them.
@@drychaf How many teachers died from COVID caught from kids who would not have died otherwise?
@@KenDavis761 While kids were at home? What are you on about?
cowards
I was 64 years old at the time of this event. I received 2 vaccines, the second one, in March 2022. In August, I suffered from covid for about 3 weeks. 2 weeks after I recovered, I was hit with a very serious UTI, my first in my life. I had blood work done and discovered my PSA was 62. After a series of tests and biopsies, I was diagnosed with Gleason 8 aggressive prostate cancer. One data point doesn't result in a pattern. Have you come across any other cases such as mine?
You know, when you keep showing snips at the start and stop before they answer like some Netflix teaser it is rather stupid and off putting.
The common sense and fact-based info from the Zoe App kept me sane during the pandemic. I was so grateful for your pro-active and dedicated approach. Last year I got a face-to face doctors appointment to look at high blood pressure readings and the health practitioner suggested I take a look at Zoe - which made me smile.
It all showed me just how many people in the world will just blindly follow what others tell them to do without doing extensive research first, especially on something that could potentially harm them.
But can you distinguish between the science and Tim's opinion.
@@Hardiarm I only trust my judgement not so called science or someone else's opinion.
How i feel now about religion
@hiddennugget9413 The root of all hate and evil 😈
Tim doesn't say whether he is still having the Booster vaccination?
I would sit outside a coffee shop but not inside, visit little shops, where I was in and out.
I avoided crowded indoor spaces.
What beggared belief, the delay in shutting down large gatherings of people.
Im always impressed by our hosts ability to encapsulate all of the points of these conversations and use excellent verbal skills to illuminate the full meaning of the conversation.
Good work!
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I had covid when it first come out I was so ill and so lucky to be here but I don't eat much been in hospital with my lungs I have had 4 lots of the covid jab. But it made me so ill know I can not have it
51:18 I'm surprised people think that. Surely food and health have been linked for ages? 'An apple a day keeps the doctor away' ! We may not have understood why, but the concept is very old.
Whether we have bothered to eat healthy foods or feed them to our children, or taken action against lying fast food companies- that's another matter !
Started using the app when advised of it by Nurses Health Study II. Worked as a nurse through Covid in the USA--thankfully on the Med Surg end rather than ICU. Best thing to come out of all of it was discovering that you hadn't gone away when Covid ended and that you have a wonderful nutrition podcast! (I had assumed Zoe was just invented for Covid)
No Zoe was operational about 3yrs prior to Covid
What about all the rising cancer rates and excess deaths in countries that were highly vaccinated ???????????
Will there be another pandemic depends game of function research continues?
I am so glad you started this your app and your advice was very much appreciated, I joined you on 24th March 2020 and reported 781 days . Excellent project fabulous team. If I remember correctly your information was ahead of government’s and more accurate.
Thankyou
Dosen't the gene therapy cause long term symptoms?
I totally understand and I am sorry for the anxiety this causes. I also take immune suppressant medication for an autoimmune condition. I did get Covid three times. The first two times I was given the anti-virals which helped a lot. The third time was two months ago but it seemed much milder so I didn't take the antivirals.
It is important to note that the extent to which a medication lowers the immune system varies a lot so it is not helpful to compare one person to another.
I hope your gf stays safe and that others are considerate. (Some people in public places cough and sneeze without covering up and that really annoys me!)
Tim was wrong about "vaccines" and Vitamin D.
I can see why it's difficult to trust scientists and governments about vaccines when as you yourselves said there is almost certainly a cover up about where it came from and what's happening in labs!
Doesn't a scientist saying what he did will Improve your confidence in scientists?
Bear in mind that science is a process aiming to get a better understanding, not a way to define facts. The world is very complex, more complex than we can ever find out. .
How does science is a process repair the damage in trust cause by lies and gaslighting? I very distinctly remember thinking that the eating bats thing was bullshit but then if I believed it was a lab leak I was a conspiracy theorist?!
I absolutely believe in science being a process and have no issues with vaccines. But please don't tell me that lying and gaslighting the public about the origin of the virus doesn't damage the credibility and trustworthiness of scientists and governments. That's not science it's abuse.
Scientific process doesn't mean blindly believing people because they say they are scientists. Scientific processes are about making theories and testing their veracity. If people don't or won't admit to mistakes how can we trust thier evidence.
This is further reinforced by the message that was being given when vaccines were being rolled out with a denial of their being side effects instead of the truth and what is being said here that the side effects are rare and worth the risk. I had some insane bruises on both inner thighs after the 2nd vaccine and got chewed out for self harm by a consultant like I'm just trying to report a side effect here I'm not concerned but no one will just record it and send it home because they didn't know what to look out for but I was told I was wasting drs time and attention seeking, as if that's an appropriate reaction to self harm anyway!
What this disucussion underlines is the importance of trust. If the authorities are seen to be lieing than their guidelines on vaccines will be rejected by rational citizens. The recent report from the US that the Covid virus came out of biowarfare by the US using Chinese labs, simply amplifies this basic problem of trust.
Yes and don't forget we were told if we took the jab we couldn't get COVID or pass it on.
Pfizer admitted they never tested it for transmission, so I figured I was lied to, and stopped taking them after 3!!
I'm 73 got it mildly 18 months ago, would never have any MNRA shots again.
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Are you comfortable with the new mRNA development into the Covid-19 vaccine?