Paid to lie the whole time you work for them. No one outside the agency should know who you work for. Being like that and not being corrupt is a true gift. People still don’t like it though. I hope his life is full speed ahead.
Breaking into peoples property with justifiable cause. Assuming he's truthful about the amount of bureaucracy it takes to break into someones home. Obviously he cant be specific, but im assuming these people pose serious threats if they need to break into peoples house to survey to acquire evidence proving they are up to no good.
@@masterbelch1293 "im assuming these people pose serious threats if they need to break into peoples house to survey to acquire evidence" I'd be interested to see the fine line between "pose serious threats" and going on fishing expeditions into the devices of the citizenry. If they didn't find anything, is there a punishment for them and a reward for you? Who watches the watchers? Voting in a machine and trusting that all it's parts are working in our best interest is...not intelligent to say the least.
@@joevette6290 they already do and our spy agencies answer to china and others not too us CSIS is nothing more than a front for Maoists/islams interests
I think a government is mainly interested in protecting itself and not its people. In turn, in some ways, it ends up protecting people. This is why the government says misleading things when notifying the press, mainly so they can continue to covertly persuade the populace into whatever narrative they need in order to achieve the things they need. On that note, the journalist also look for monetary gain within the information they share. By the time the story gets to us, we're fed cake from either side. It has been twisted to such a degree through different filters. Was this persons intentions to help the people? Id hopefully assume so. In the ways the government is interested in protecting itself, i firmly believe canadian inteligence agency has intrested in detecting threats to the canadian population. Threats will always exist regardless of the amount of individual freedom removed as a result of law. People exsist partly to prey upon eachother, from minor to extreme, we live in a world where every person is a perpetrator and a victim. At the end of the day, if some rules gotta be broken with strict bureaucracy in order to strip specific individuals of their librerty, in order to protect the lives of many, than so be it. As long as that level of bureaucracy is in place. If it were to be authoritarian it would be a different story.
Oh BS the only work they have in this is as advisors against and issues that come . Just like they work with businesses about possible foreign threat to them.
Stop being silly they were created in about 1984 after a royal commision into the RCMP' security service that was not only disinterested but had violated laws and rights when they were interested. They even bumbled the Gouzenko Affair back in 1965 with was ground zero on the cold war. and it was right in their back yard. Thank god for some quick thinking Ottawa Police or Gouzenko would have been dead and the massive Soviet penetration of the west would have carried on undetected. Canada grew up and got its own Security service like all the big boys\ The Five Eyes And they certainly can be anyone's "goons" they are not peace officers therefore no power to arrest. It's a civilian organization like many security services. USA being a rarity
Canada: We don't know what we have. We don't know what it does. We don't know how to use it. We're just kinda here...Now go away and let us BBQ and get chased by bears. 😂😂😂😂
Didn't the former director for CSIS for the Asia-Pacific recently in a hearing about the Emergency Act state that members of parliament and municipal and provincial governments are working with the CCP? You would think that would be considered a security risk having communist Chinese spies at every level of government. How that is legal and allowed is a mystery. Perhaps the beurocracy of these organizations are also compromised. Klaus Schwab openly brags about penetrating cabinets. Seems like an organization which doesn't have the interests of national sovereignty at heart. Maybe the good people in these agencies should look at WEF the same way they do other foreign organizations with goals of subversion of democratic states. I would work for an agency that had that level of integrity
Do they investigate all the environment threats like plants, bugs animals and fish? I am seeing more plants and insects from foriegn countries like murder Hornets, fire weed, Asian carp and others? I also heard people are getting sent seeds to plant and they are not what is described. Environmental attack and what does it cost to stop invasive plants insects etc?
Lots of people know that csis is out there. I have known since i was a child. I am 58 now. It seems to me the less emotions that one has the better off in life they will be.
I go out walking every morning and I always speak to people and then realize they have ear pods in their ears. It amazes me especially since it 6 am and personally I like to know what's around means have heard runners and turned to let them by. I have travelled for years and was always aware of places, people and actions around because in a foreign country you need to watch your safety.
Thanks Andrew, great content, I bought your book and found it very informative as looking at a situation from a different angle than from Trudeau's paid media.
Imagine, FBI got in touch with our Mounties to let us know about the Radical Issy living in Richmond Hill who was building a bomb detonator in his house. House was within 4 blocks of of 3 Catholic Schools!
The amounts of Bureaucracy in CSIS...I'm not surprised this guy went to some Pollical job...post CSIS. Oh in the best years of my life growing up in Kitchener, ON (and still live here), I worked at a factory job (shortly after my dreams of being a PI were dashed...by my own insecurities) in the early 90's... "Custom Trim" at 409 Weber St W, Kitchener...just at the border of Kitchener and Waterloo. It's now a storage place now...but once it was an EI office and a factory (where I worked) at the time (thank you Ray Days...). Later in the 90's you heard the rumours that CSIS had an office there. I truly would love to know if that was really True or not? I was a Loss Control Operator just out of High School. I have always been on the side of the "good guys" growing up colleting comic books and believing in Super Hero's. In this Post COVID-19 world we live in...I call "cops" what they were colourfully called in the 70's (hmmm I smell bacon) due to their heavy handedness for people who just though we had freedoms and wanted to access them. Could you tell me if CSIS operated in Kitchener? I'm just curious...for personal amusement. Like you're saying right now...static points of Security (cameras, locks etc.)...are fine. However...GenXers who grew up knowing how to fish, fend for themselves and loved FREEDOME. I hope you never label us as "rebels or enemies"... We just want to keep doing what we do without Government interference. Thank you Andrew for interviewing this author. It truly makes me want to buy and read his book!!! I still have a "super hero" mentality in my Heart...and I wish Good truly defeated Evil. Sadly...in 2022...Shades of Grey... I have no Truth left in my "poor" heart...today...
That little jerk is probably sitting in some Penthouse. I'm from Van.& the BlackBerry sickos here and more the Kiddie Stroll on Fremlin Franklin DTES, even Creepy R P., at the Pi* Fa*r*.
For people interested in this stuff check out the stories on: Cameron Ortis and Jeffrey Paul Delisle. I have been wondering if the RCN spy was the reason we were excluded from the AUKUS deal (it may also be that we broke all our other 4 hand me down subs and they think we just can’t drive)
@@TONI__KROOS I was offered to Join National Security at 12 and I declined. On my 13th birthday I was told that me and my family were being placed on the Hidden Terrorist Watch List which is full of all good people. Dad killed by this garbage July 4th 2008. This is all done by National security and under that act it gives them the permission to hurt maim torture and kill without being arrested, charged or convicted of the crimes they commit because it's under National security. These people have been given the authority to kill my family without any reprecuasions for their actions. From my own home town
Hometown should have been known for my family business in a good way but is known for 2nd biggest serial killer in the world ROBERT "WILD EYES" WILLY PICTON and now the biggest BRADLEY BRAD JOHN INGIMUNDSON. A Human Child Sex Trafficker scum since he was 12
Been a target for 33 years since 13. Was told they were going to kill my father then me then smother my mother who is now 78 with a pillow case and if I wasnt dead by then that Brad would kill my mother and frame me for the murder with my DNA while he steals my inheritance
@@TalkTalk44 Right now Russian officials are being killed around Putin. Those more involved in oil. This cabal that works within NATO is evil and is hell bent on world domination and making the rest of us eat bugs. Has got to stop. I praise the Russians for standing up to it. (read quick, probably will be deleted)
@@MsElke11 That is a great point! It certainly does look planed and I'd expect there are more such events that induced compliance to this stupid scheme. The industry has been corrupting itself since the 90's.
@@kippie80 I didn't know about the Russians being murdered but will look into it. Years ago it was the bankers being convenient suicide's and the Homeopathy doctors many of them had been taken down now oil ..
Hmmmm very interesting interview. Can definitely see that fine line between 'policing' and 'bad guy' activities, simliar to genius and madman. Granted their is purpose but also makes me wonder how much taxpayers money is wasted on innocent Canadians who voice an opinion.
PLEASE: Where is Cameron Ortis .. head of RCMP Operations Research (1st civilian to hold position) .. who was held without charge for 4 years .. only to be silently tried and convicted in our supreme court of canada last fall shortly after the 'silencing' of David Hawkins who was demanding the release of Cameron Ortis because he believed he was being "quarentined" by our government without charge because he had information obtained by doing the job he was hired to do .. which as head of Operations Reseaech for the RCMP was to look into fraudulent, unlawfull, operations performed under the cone of silence parading as the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Inc. Where is Cameron Ortis .. because I as a living woman under God demand to hear Cameron Ortis's side of the story.
Ask him if he like Freedom or he love plandate !! Plandate you don,t have to do anything personel will give you a pinch on your arm easy peasy does it and you done !!💩💩💩💩🙈🙉🙊
Not to self. If I see a van parked across the street, possibly CSIS. It's funny they worry about a neighbor not sleeping. I guess they forgot about Ring door bells.
I am still waiting to be interviewed by CSIS for my knowledge of issues in Ecuador befor and during the 100 day kidnapping of the pipe line workers. ya ya quebec solvernty and no transparency.
bullshit. it is clandestine. When cisis called on me, they did not disclose who they were. Btw: figured it out pretty easy. Not that good. But I’m also not that important so there you go.
Easy, was involved with political party. They staged Some people in my local coffee shop and struck up conversation with me. What did they get? A character profile to compliment their digital one? I don’t know. It is an effing waste of our tax money at best.
Beware of minimalists. People try to figure you out by what you buy. If you don’t have anything, they can’t figure you out, well. He’s almost as cagey as you Andrew. Look at your rooms.
Canada is lucky to have great honest and patriotic gouvernment agents like this fellow!! compared to some of the incompetent agents in the U.S agencies these days!!!
I love the idea of a Canadian James Bond out there jumping out of plans ,getting into snowmobile chases and stopping the bad guy from poisoning the maple syrup supply
I trust this guy to tell the truth like I trust Turdeux to do the same.
Man I was just thinking the same thing. Once an agent ….
I think he was just talking about the impossible time when he was draped, accessed and lived Bureaucracy....the end...
Paid to lie the whole time you work for them. No one outside the agency should know who you work for. Being like that and not being corrupt is a true gift. People still don’t like it though. I hope his life is full speed ahead.
Thanks for the _limited hangout_ with this _"former"_ CSIS spy. I have been reassured that the domestic spy agency is my friend...
LOL
100% Agree
How much money did CISIS spend on DIAGALON?
Interesting question LOL
YUP!!!
Sorry, we can't divulge methods or procedures.
So, all I took from this is that CSIS is out there breaking into peoples property. claiming to be " The good guys"
Breaking into peoples property with justifiable cause. Assuming he's truthful about the amount of bureaucracy it takes to break into someones home. Obviously he cant be specific, but im assuming these people pose serious threats if they need to break into peoples house to survey to acquire evidence proving they are up to no good.
@@masterbelch1293 maybe these people supported a protest.
@@masterbelch1293 "im assuming these people pose serious threats if they need to break into peoples house to survey to acquire evidence"
I'd be interested to see the fine line between "pose serious threats" and going on fishing expeditions into the devices of the citizenry. If they didn't find anything, is there a punishment for them and a reward for you? Who watches the watchers? Voting in a machine and trusting that all it's parts are working in our best interest is...not intelligent to say the least.
Too bad he didn’t ask about the huge number of our government MP’s who are working for other countries.
Do they cover threats against the PM like the Secret Service? If so they must have had to quadruple their size in the last few years.
They know that nobody will harm the TURDEAU; only HE can harm us!!
@@MsElke11 If anyting the cough, cough, elected iditos can fo anything they like. As long as it's in the "Nation's best interest". You awake yet ?
RCMP does. Of course the two agencies share intelligence. The RCMP used to be our spy agency as well.
@@MsElke11 They certainly jumped on it when there were issues during the Freedom Convoy. Where were you??
@@lorrainearmstrong7587 I was AT THE CONVOY. WHere was CSIS?
The world would be better off without these agencies.
well if they actually worked for the people of their countries it might be different
they all become corrupt and self serving sooner or later, same as police forces.
Really??? then the CCP spies would double the number of " sleeper spies" in Canada and steal technology with no impunity!
@@joevette6290 they already do and our spy agencies answer to china and others not too us CSIS is nothing more than a front for Maoists/islams interests
I think a government is mainly interested in protecting itself and not its people. In turn, in some ways, it ends up protecting people. This is why the government says misleading things when notifying the press, mainly so they can continue to covertly persuade the populace into whatever narrative they need in order to achieve the things they need.
On that note, the journalist also look for monetary gain within the information they share. By the time the story gets to us, we're fed cake from either side. It has been twisted to such a degree through different filters.
Was this persons intentions to help the people? Id hopefully assume so. In the ways the government is interested in protecting itself, i firmly believe canadian inteligence agency has intrested in detecting threats to the canadian population. Threats will always exist regardless of the amount of individual freedom removed as a result of law. People exsist partly to prey upon eachother, from minor to extreme, we live in a world where every person is a perpetrator and a victim. At the end of the day, if some rules gotta be broken with strict bureaucracy in order to strip specific individuals of their librerty, in order to protect the lives of many, than so be it. As long as that level of bureaucracy is in place. If it were to be authoritarian it would be a different story.
Your domestic service. Is it Working with Trudeau or with the citizens against Trudeau? Follow the money 💰
Oh BS the only work they have in this is as advisors against and issues that come . Just like they work with businesses about possible foreign threat to them.
There's no point sugar coating it, this is Trudeau's Gestapo.
😂
Trudo is not smart enough to have a gestapo
Stop being silly they were created in about 1984 after a royal commision into the RCMP' security service that was not only disinterested but had violated laws and rights when they were interested. They even bumbled the Gouzenko Affair back in 1965 with was ground zero on the cold war. and it was right in their back yard. Thank god for some quick thinking Ottawa Police or Gouzenko would have been dead and the massive Soviet penetration of the west would have carried on undetected.
Canada grew up and got its own Security service like all the big boys\ The Five Eyes
And they certainly can be anyone's "goons" they are not peace officers therefore no power to arrest. It's a civilian organization like many security services. USA being a rarity
In my old life I had minor dealings and found them to be extremely professional, discrete and police.
Great interview, Andrew! I put a hold on "I Was Never Hear" at my local library, but there are a lot of other people waiting to read it.
Thank-you! Really enjoyed the talk.
Canada: We don't know what we have. We don't know what it does. We don't know how to use it. We're just kinda here...Now go away and let us BBQ and get chased by bears. 😂😂😂😂
Didn't the former director for CSIS for the Asia-Pacific recently in a hearing about the Emergency Act state that members of parliament and municipal and provincial governments are working with the CCP? You would think that would be considered a security risk having communist Chinese spies at every level of government. How that is legal and allowed is a mystery. Perhaps the beurocracy of these organizations are also compromised. Klaus Schwab openly brags about penetrating cabinets. Seems like an organization which doesn't have the interests of national sovereignty at heart. Maybe the good people in these agencies should look at WEF the same way they do other foreign organizations with goals of subversion of democratic states. I would work for an agency that had that level of integrity
I hope CSIS is investigating the federal government!
same
Definitely a solid guy who would still not jeopardize anything recent or critical. Thanks for your service
So, at any point, the government can own your ass for the cost of a what ? Montana's / Kelsey's, and a hotel stay ? Wow.
Yep they have destroyed this Country
@Jesse that's what they bank on I say answer for yourself to the judge
Do they investigate all the environment threats like plants, bugs animals and fish? I am seeing more plants and insects from foriegn countries like murder Hornets, fire weed, Asian carp and others? I also heard people are getting sent seeds to plant and they are not what is described. Environmental attack and what does it cost to stop invasive plants insects etc?
an intelligence agent that got into politics......you don't say....
Blackmail is easy when you already have profiles on the opposition and your party.
He is not talking about the kidnapping of British school girls for ISIS..
Great interview thank you Andrew (and Andrew)
Lots of people know that csis is out there. I have known since i was a child. I am 58 now. It seems to me the less emotions that one has the better off in life they will be.
I go out walking every morning and I always speak to people and then realize they have ear pods in their ears. It amazes me especially since it 6 am and personally I like to know what's around means have heard runners and turned to let them by. I have travelled for years and was always aware of places, people and actions around because in a foreign country you need to watch your safety.
Great interview, thanks Andrew & Andrew!
Good interview Andrew
Do you have an Audiobook version available of your book?
Thanks for doing this!!
Thanks Andrew, great content, I bought your book and found it very informative as looking at a situation from a different angle than from Trudeau's paid media.
Good job of preventing foreign influence (China) and subversion (WEF, UN)
I have them hiding four doors down from me. Who do i call?
Very interesting interview.
Interesting topic. I really have no idea we have spy in Canada. Thanks both Andrew.
Imagine, FBI got in touch with our Mounties to let us know about the Radical Issy living in Richmond Hill who was building
a bomb detonator in his house. House was within 4 blocks of of 3 Catholic Schools!
Killer intro, brother!
The amounts of Bureaucracy in CSIS...I'm not surprised this guy went to some Pollical job...post CSIS. Oh in the best years of my life growing up in Kitchener, ON (and still live here), I worked at a factory job (shortly after my dreams of being a PI were dashed...by my own insecurities) in the early 90's... "Custom Trim" at 409 Weber St W, Kitchener...just at the border of Kitchener and Waterloo. It's now a storage place now...but once it was an EI office and a factory (where I worked) at the time (thank you Ray Days...). Later in the 90's you heard the rumours that CSIS had an office there. I truly would love to know if that was really True or not? I was a Loss Control Operator just out of High School. I have always been on the side of the "good guys" growing up colleting comic books and believing in Super Hero's. In this Post COVID-19 world we live in...I call "cops" what they were colourfully called in the 70's (hmmm I smell bacon) due to their heavy handedness for people who just though we had freedoms and wanted to access them. Could you tell me if CSIS operated in Kitchener? I'm just curious...for personal amusement. Like you're saying right now...static points of Security (cameras, locks etc.)...are fine. However...GenXers who grew up knowing how to fish, fend for themselves and loved FREEDOME. I hope you never label us as "rebels or enemies"... We just want to keep doing what we do without Government interference. Thank you Andrew for interviewing this author. It truly makes me want to buy and read his book!!! I still have a "super hero" mentality in my Heart...and I wish Good truly defeated Evil. Sadly...in 2022...Shades of Grey... I have no Truth left in my "poor" heart...today...
OMG lol...I can't even
The guys on TV solve stuff in 1hour LOL or in three different movies.
CSIS has done nothing for Canadian security.
If you believe that youre really not intelligent
Reminds me of the movie “Eyes wide shut”
How these guys write these books is beyond me
So they missed the WEF? Klaus Swab? Hmm😕
so how's Cameron Ortiz doing?
Yes ,yes a very good question ??
That little jerk is probably sitting in some Penthouse. I'm from Van.& the BlackBerry sickos here and more the Kiddie Stroll on Fremlin Franklin DTES, even Creepy R P., at the Pi* Fa*r*.
For people interested in this stuff check out the stories on: Cameron Ortis and Jeffrey Paul Delisle. I have been wondering if the RCN spy was the reason we were excluded from the AUKUS deal (it may also be that we broke all our other 4 hand me down subs and they think we just can’t drive)
Why didn't you ask about Shamima Begum . Disappointing segment .
You guys ruined my life at 13. Thanks a lot
How?
@@TONI__KROOS I was offered to Join National Security at 12 and I declined. On my 13th birthday I was told that me and my family were being placed on the Hidden Terrorist Watch List which is full of all good people. Dad killed by this garbage July 4th 2008. This is all done by National security and under that act it gives them the permission to hurt maim torture and kill without being arrested, charged or convicted of the crimes they commit because it's under National security. These people have been given the authority to kill my family without any reprecuasions for their actions. From my own home town
Hometown should have been known for my family business in a good way but is known for 2nd biggest serial killer in the world ROBERT "WILD EYES" WILLY PICTON and now the biggest BRADLEY BRAD JOHN INGIMUNDSON. A Human Child Sex Trafficker scum since he was 12
Been a target for 33 years since 13. Was told they were going to kill my father then me then smother my mother who is now 78 with a pillow case and if I wasnt dead by then that Brad would kill my mother and frame me for the murder with my DNA while he steals my inheritance
My brother DANIEL LAWRENCE HAMILTON from MISSION is definitely involved and was invited into this plan at 9 years old and he took the deal
Great guest, always wondered about that organization and what they actually do. I'd imagine it to be something like the CIA.
Fine until they start to do other inferious issues, like things that the NDP/Liberal are doing to destroy Canada & Canadians.
Does not sound like your talking about current events like the murders being performed by West on Russians. I’m disappointed.
or the mysterious murder of PHARMA GIANT Barry Sherman just before the COVID PLANDEMIC!
Are you talking about Dugans daughter?
The Sherman's .?
Cameron Ortiz?
Many others?
@@TalkTalk44 Right now Russian officials are being killed around Putin. Those more involved in oil. This cabal that works within NATO is evil and is hell bent on world domination and making the rest of us eat bugs. Has got to stop. I praise the Russians for standing up to it. (read quick, probably will be deleted)
@@MsElke11 That is a great point! It certainly does look planed and I'd expect there are more such events that induced compliance to this stupid scheme. The industry has been corrupting itself since the 90's.
@@kippie80 I didn't know about the Russians being murdered but will look into it.
Years ago it was the bankers being convenient suicide's and the Homeopathy doctors many of them had been taken down now oil ..
Do you nuts realise there are thousands of M16 members here how did that happen
THAT is called 'unfettered access to an unsecured border'. What part were you NOT aware of?
Professional liar.
The head of CSIS....belongs to a certain "forum" if you get my drift.
Let CSIS do their Job and release the Trudeau files
Couldn’t Canadian apply the term “terrorist” to Trudeau ?
No but they probably can to you....with domestic in front
We intercept intelligence vai CFS Alert and can share it with our partners for future considerations.
Hmmmm very interesting interview. Can definitely see that fine line between 'policing' and 'bad guy' activities, simliar to genius and madman. Granted their is purpose but also makes me wonder how much taxpayers money is wasted on innocent Canadians who voice an opinion.
Right on
Both Andrews Light Years Ahead.
PLEASE: Where is Cameron Ortis .. head of RCMP Operations Research (1st civilian to hold position) .. who was held without charge for 4 years .. only to be silently tried and convicted in our supreme court of canada last fall shortly after the 'silencing' of David Hawkins who was demanding the release of Cameron Ortis because he believed he was being "quarentined" by our government without charge because he had information obtained by doing the job he was hired to do .. which as head of Operations Reseaech for the RCMP was to look into fraudulent, unlawfull, operations performed under the cone of silence parading as the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Inc.
Where is Cameron Ortis .. because I as a living woman under God demand to hear Cameron Ortis's side of the story.
Ask him if he like Freedom or he love plandate !! Plandate you don,t have to do anything personel will give you a pinch on your arm easy peasy does it and you done !!💩💩💩💩🙈🙉🙊
What about our on line stuff & VPNs?
Government giving protection? From who Government?
Not to self. If I see a van parked across the street, possibly CSIS.
It's funny they worry about a neighbor not sleeping. I guess they forgot about Ring door bells.
I am still waiting to be interviewed by CSIS for my knowledge of issues in Ecuador befor and during the 100 day kidnapping of the pipe line workers. ya ya quebec solvernty and no transparency.
Let’s go Brandon
CSIS doesn't deal with the PM. Why would you think they care about Biden?
Is this about PR and manipulation🤔
Smugglers ‘borrow’ properties (more rent) certain nights along the border rivers also.
bullshit. it is clandestine. When cisis called on me, they did not disclose who they were. Btw: figured it out pretty easy. Not that good. But I’m also not that important so there you go.
I'll bite. How'd you get on their radar ? They have access to everything we do, especially financially, or on the web.
Easy, was involved with political party. They staged Some people in my local coffee shop and struck up conversation with me. What did they get? A character profile to compliment their digital one? I don’t know. It is an effing waste of our tax money at best.
.Maybe he called trudy a traitor truth hurts dont it trudy
@@freedomfreedom9523 he is a traitor and a rapist
The rainbow prince of Canada ..pied Piper for children waving their rainbow flags for the prince .
If they didn't practice on me and destroy my family
"The good guys." 😏
How come we short on everything to help people but not short on cisis hmm hmm I wonder why😞😞😞😞😞😞😞😢😢
Beware of minimalists. People try to figure you out by what you buy. If you don’t have anything, they can’t figure you out, well.
He’s almost as cagey as you Andrew. Look at your rooms.
Thank you for your service, Sir
Canada is lucky to have great honest and patriotic gouvernment agents like this fellow!! compared to some of the incompetent agents in the U.S agencies these days!!!
Faceswapped
I love the idea of a Canadian James Bond out there jumping out of plans ,getting into snowmobile chases and stopping the bad guy from poisoning the maple syrup supply
Too Too Funny
👍👍🇨🇦
Israeli doors.
Sic grin