WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALIA'S NERF?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2022
- WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALIA'S NERF?
Was it justified? Does she deserve to be banned after this update?
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Moonton wanted to nerf her so bad, to the point she literally becomes invisible again, but only on the hero usage💀
Surprisingly not the ban section tho, my teammates keep banning her and not wanwan or faramis :V
At least at legend they stopped doing this
@@suffering9481 I guess it's because of Nataphobia, but even though she's still getting ban, the usage definitely decreased
@@clarkhaleloispasco9592 ye
@@suffering9481 wanwan is easy to counter now tho. They nerfed her so bad.
@@suffering9481 I love your teammates so much giving me my main hero’s 🥰
Biggest problem is the removal of the 1 second silence and slow on her passive. That was literally her lifeline.
no
The nerf on her silence makes it really hard to pick her over other heroes
Yes conceal nerf is fine cc and slow nerf actually bad.
@@vincentdreemurr Wdym no, its yes. If you need explanation, basically heroes like eudora if attacked by natalia, can now fight back because of the mere 0.25 silence duration, natalia's silence is what makes her a counter for these heroes, but now since the nerf its now literally so irrelevant, only used to cancel some skills
I hope they bring back atleast the 0.6 sec silence
I've played against the new Natalias and they're literally useless she is not that scary anymore. Unlike the Natalia before her update, where you have to pray to the lord above when you see the exclamation point.
Agreed
Spend last couple of months to play her as a roamer, now it's all ruined 😕😔
@@israkhk same
No, the old natalia didn't make you pray she made you an atheist "there is no God " for a second 😭
That is actually the case
elgin:aim for their squishy ones.
also elgin:attacks franco
Franco is the squishiest tank
@@nasidodge3489 fair,but a tank is still a tank .-.
LOL
3:47 yes I think Natalia is not too good to be a jungler even though there is a buff in her passive for creeps, I prefer her to be a roamer that interferes with opponents
I totally agree but they made her into a hyper hero
With how her passive works she is definitely supposed to be played as a roamer. But moonton is really bent on making her work as a jungler. Her clear time kinda sucks tbh and you get absolutely bodied if someone tries to invade you and you don't have your dashes up. If you can't build hepta within 3 minutes you might as well afk since you're not gonna kill anyone
@@yoimama9603 no natalia is meant to counter burst heroes so jungler was ok but nerf made her useless
Now we know moonton's most hated cc is silence.
Why? They nerfed that cc 2x now. Form helcurt's to natalia's. Yet nerfing that means buffing all those skill reliant heroes, and there's alot of them nowadays.
Yes hc and natalia silence is not even useful anymore like holy shit their silence is useless as shit because skill heroes could kill them before activating their silence, HC instant silence is on FUCKING 60-45(level3 ult max cd) ult now imagine wasting ult for one fking enemy just so they cant skill/flicker away before hc could just first skill silence then bam dead soft heroes
"Welp, she just became invisible."
Literally
In the hero usage page 😂
The thing about a lot of assassins in general is their lack of counterplay. They are just so unfun to fight against. They are also balance nightmares since take Ling for example where with all of his adjustments, he either feels broken on one patch or borderline useless in another. Natalia is kind of like that.
I was a nata main...Now I'm nothing main :)
minions can sometimes target her even if she's invisible, this must be a bug
What? You serious dude?
Yet hope they fixed it
No it's still happening 😭
Yes ikr, even on conceal state she shouldn't get targeted by minions
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they really nerf her so bad because they change her to jungle natalia. if they didnt touch roamer natalia, she would still be balance.
Moontons hero adjustment be like:
Any balances hero
-Gets Buff
-Gets Popular
-Gets into the banning section
-Gets nerf to the ground
-Gets revamp in the next few months
-Gets into the balanced section again
And the cycle continuous
honestly this feels like a buff when youre fighting certain heroes like jawhead and Hilda it also makes baiting and running alot easier the only nerf i can feel is when diving into the enemy base and chasing other than that she feels the exact same you just need to be a little more careful and camp in bushes more also
Natalia roamer > Natalia jungle
I wish that they change the ult so the refill time is reduced if she gets kills/assists at least 20%, nata jungler doesn't suit her gameplay
@@frostincubus4045 that would be fantastic
Yea, unless they make her be able to kill monsters super quick, she's gonna still be roamer, her being able go roam constantly freely is whagsmakes her good, take that away and you get natafeedliya
@@asmodiasmobilemoba she can clear monsters easily even in the early game you just have to use jungle emblem which doesnt reduce her damage if you use flame retribution
i just don't like the playstyle
@@FantasThicc me neither
She was my greatest fear has an mm main
But now no...
She's still your greatest fear hahaha you know if you use inspire on roaming Natalia your mm is basically 1 hit
@@Yuive now i have fear of saber
Bozo comes , ulits , spams recall and goes
I would prefer the old ult natalia that can use ult 2 times then cool down than now I'm a natalia main now i abandoned her because of the bad ult
Natlia is my 3rd main assassin
Now I don't use her anymore
It's pretty boring and she's pretty weak on this current nerf.
Lots of enemy picking a hero that can target her by skill
Yes nat is a threat.But that's her purpose,to pose a threat is her job and if your team loses its their fault for not being cautious.Without that threat,she's like a basic attack reliant saber.Ruined.
honestly i’ve rarely struggled with natalia as i mostly use skill based fighters…
i think they’ve done natalia far to harshly compared to others…
the silence is just too short.
Only epics ban nata these days
She is no longer the Natalia we know my main is ruined
And minions can now target her even though she’s invisible.
I don’t know it is bug or not.
If it is bug,someone need to report that to moonton.
Tbh I like Natalia as roam too ,but you need Tank Exp or jungle for the late game. Barrats ,Balmond , Akai, Esmeralda... I think you should mention that cause people just end with full assasin teams and no bulk in the Low Mythic and Legend
I noticed the new Nat, I've been playing Nat from the time she had the scratching ult, she's always been mostly nerfed on repeat rather than power adjustment. Give her an execute or percent max HP dmg on her silence so that she can finish the job, because the new update takes the enemy HP to 20 percent and they'd oneshot you as a mage
yeah bro, i achieved multiple Supreme 1s on her but now she's just useless
@@hanabiilesley Exactly. I dunno where the ban is coming from. She wasn't even that strong before the nerf and now she's just useless and there are more better heroes for the jungler and roamer role now. This is ridiculous and less thought out by montoon. Just because she was always banned doesn't really mean she was OP, players just want to use mm and mage so then ban her instead of picking a hero that directly counters her, what is counter-picking for.
@@RaffyART1995 exactly, if you're mm and you're banning, you'd ban Nat, or you can have a Selena, Rafaela, popol and kupa or almost anyone with an aoe or burst like luo yi and your opportunity is limited, besides there's the cabbage and the vision thing near the base that reveals invisibility. Prio bans were usually yin,john, beatrix, Aldous, Julian and wanwan. Which were understandable that time, but Nat isn't anywhere near as op as those bans were. It was already risky going after a CC mage before this adjustment, now it'll be near impossible unless you're really fed
@@RaffyART1995 and the funniest thing is that at her peak levels of strength her impact on high elo games~1500+ was practically non existent
you forgot to mention that: if she has an exlamation point above her head for 0.6 seconds, she will be slightly revealed (kinda like lesley 1st skill)
He literally said that
I even prefer the old "scratch" ultimate than this overnerfed one.
I like her much as a roamer than jungler bcoz of her early game damage
I hope Natalia in invisible mode can see someone who seen her especially on the bush area.
Him at the start accidently press execute on creeps
at this point moonton literally should just remove her from the game . like after this nerfed none will pick her in rank mode since everyone use mf AoE mage in game 💀
Argus second skill also the best to counter invisible hero if they get hit by it
I do prefer her as a roamer as well coz killing jungle monsters forever feels like delaying yourself it sure is picked my many players but for me Natalia dire hit is best and to reduce the cd of ult I target the cockroach coz it has low hp and provides mana and recharges my ult
i didnt know there is cockcroach in the game lol🤣
before the update, ived been using natalia non stop in rank games but with these changes, i have abandon her completely. thanks moneytoon
I love how you named it as "killsteal build"
I tried to play her as roam and base on my experience its hard now on early game but on late game she still can do her role as a assasin and still can deal the same damage like before.
the only invisible character in the history of videogame characters that you can see with unaided eye.
She just became a last hit queen , am pretty sad with the new Nerf that 1 sec silence was everything
I really don't think Natalia fits the role of a jungler, or even a side lane. It's very inefficient to use her as one. I prefer Natalia as midlane or roam instead, you can utilize her ability to open up the map much more for your team by constantly roaming around.
Gotta disagree on this. The silence duration nerf is a bit too much, she is more easily countered because you barely get to finish the combo. Maybe just remove the delay on her second ult cast, we can atleast get .75 sec silence which is still lower than before but better chance to finish the combo.
Ever since they revamp her Ult,she never seems to get out of ban much.
She became really bad after the nerf. Dunno why she's still banned. Any hero can counter her now except mm of course.
All heros can counter her easily now actually. Her silence nerf basically destroyed her. P
Cyc skill 2 is auto lock. But it also still a lock skill. It cant no longer auto lock and hit current invisible nata anymore when nata is invisible
They buff her passive so much that we no longer see her in any match
also did you know once Natalia is revealed during her passive, Zhask's minions can still target her despite not being able to be targeted
I don’t even attack zhask anymore for that reason. Way too risky
Zhask is way too annoying for Natalia. I usually wait until Zhask's ult is in cooldown or it's duration is done
@@nahfoo. man I feel your pain 😂
Elgin try this Lamok build on Sun it's really OP Asf Use Petrify as a Spell
Use BOH/Blade of heptaseas, Windtalker, Scarlet Phantom, Berserker Fury, Malefic Roar, and Blade of Despair when Ur full build u can change BOH to another BOD in late game but it depends on you if u want to change it. Always hide in bush if u have BOH on early u can abuse this back dmg in early it's too annoying asf and in late game hide in the bush and try targeting a hero that irritating to u and use ULT, second ,third ,Petrify and basic attack the enemy melted in mili seconds trust me it's really fun build try it u can melt every hero in ML with this build.
Well adjusted🙂🙂🙂This is the best Joke for a Natalia Main😂😂😂
I cried tears of blood when i saw these changes🥲
@Gray It's not well adjusted for most nata users. Maybe she's not your main. But she's literally useless now and got the same treatment as Harith.
Elgin one thing u should do is attack squishy ones also elgin attacks low hp tank
I could see that u stacking physical penetration item. I heard that phy penetration have limit in this new patch. Could you elaborate on this.
I was playing johnson and went to recalling with 1% HP, suddenly natalia attacked me and i managed to survive and cuase her to die, then i laughed at her nerf and she also laughed with me.... It's so sad for natalia's players
I rly want the old Natalia she was gold and the fact that no one bans her or even know to counter her in the past was the best but moonton decided to ruin that bc they hate how she used to be. (Remember guys don't play Natalia if u want her to get buffed this decreases her popularity and I think it's the only way for Natalia to escape from those noobs thinking she's op when she's nerfed so badly ex: dmg is lower compared to before)
Not unless people see her in mpl. They only started using natalia when pro players used her.
I still play natalia after the nerf but not that much anymore and i noticed that the minions always attacks me even when i am invisible i really hate that
Nerfs essentially killed the possibility of a roaming Nat. Long cooldowns on ult charges and the silence nerf makes her have little to no use as a roamer. You might as well use a different hero for offensive support like Kaja or Mathilda.
Nah man she is still gonna be in the ban. The true invisible hero where u can't see her in rank games.
Being nata main player and after update i literally stopped playing her. Ive switched to miya. First, nerfed damage update and then nerfed silence and invi was really frustrating.
Elgin: pne thing to remember is to aim for the squishy ones.
also Elgin: kills franco and uranus to get a double kill
Same here. I'm more comfortable using her as a roamer rather than a jungler. I don't see her being effective in jungling.
Idk if moonton made a potion for jawhead to not be able to throw teammates. Maybe idk enemies can actually buy some kind of potion that cost a hefty price (idk 1k) to reveal invisible units within 350 or 400 units for x minutes? Tbh the nerfs aren't doing anything since invisibility is overpowered when there are actually no item to counter invisibility. Take league for example they have sweeping lens and control ward which counters heroes that roams around with their invisibility. ML doesn't have any of those which makes invisibility somewhat the best mechanics that a hero can have
As Natalia user, I do having hard time with current update especially the 2sec broke conceal then this new update will be coming OMG personally annoying heroes against nata are rafaela, saber, cyc
Now Layla beats Natalia 😂
Lol no as long she has her second skill basic atk dependent mm's can't do anything against her.
With wind of nature and flicker even layla can ez kill natalia now
3:47 - 3:49. For me, jungling just slows her down. 6:09. I think most players does not read the new updates, they just ban a hero that just got nerfed without even knowing. Or I guess they're just lazy to read 🤔. 10:43 - 10:48. I hope so.
Thank you for the amazing gameplay.
I know that Wan Wan got nerf, I still don't feel like playing against her, if my team feeds her, I will be clapped, about Nata yeah, I have no clue why she is banned that much
Moonton hit the heroes hard 💀
Francos predicted all the outcomes of his hook
but he's also a bit early on the hook
Shes been nerfed hard since the last patch, now shes hard to use and her pick rate goes down (being under 0,5%) but she still top 5 banned heroes, wtf! Idont know what the players want honestly she is not scary anymore
Make a vid on xavier. He went from banned to not even picked often.
Damn that Valir is playing like there's no tomorrow
Franco missing his hook in the beginning was so hilarious 😂
I remember playing naralia against kaja, omg the worst time of my life, i can't even go near bc of his 1st low cd.
as a Natalia main, your positioning and targeting during clashes are the are the things you should focus on, work your way around the clash and attack from behind, literally 🤣🤣🤣
We want your Build the "Kill Steal Build" 🤣
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On the battlefield, Kenji is a very strong support/mage able to continuously weaken enemies for many seconds with ease and without putting himself in big danger. He can be an easy target for burst heroes though and needs a team as well as the players good awareness to really shine!
Gameplay: Support/Teamfighter
Difficulty: Average
Kenji - Prince of Tornados (he/him)
Role: Support
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Thats interesting sounds like vales lost brother
pretty nope
Wan wan and yin is still the top two hero’s lol once she’s in the air she still crazy
I don't know
I think the better choose is nerf her damage not the conceal
Exactly. Montoon just made her useless and people still ban her.
The reason why natalia is such a unique and niche hero is because of her invincibility. If they make her visible after 0,6 seconds then might as well delete her as hero, because at that point she’s almost the same as hilda, “a bush assassin”. Except hilda is actually better, because at least she’s tanky. If natalia is broken then I think the proper way to nerf her is by reducing her damage, so she only can kill enemy with critical health, but leave her invincibility alone.
Elgin today you said I won in one of my reply but what did you mean by that like what did I even win?
after her NERF I tried her in the jungle and it wasn't best in my opinion so I tried her in roaming it was a bit good but my targets Always got away
Boss make a vid about minsi ult what stops and what goes
They ruined this character she use to be literally invisible where you couldn’t see her at all now after 1 sec you can see her but she’s “invisible” they should’ve left her alone.
Nerf her is proof that moonton is paranoia with 👻
*EVEN* *THE* *MINION* *CAN* *SEE* *HER!!!*
Edit:Still she always banned in epic to legend
No more map anxiety RIP Natalia you will be missed~
As a TOP 1 GLOBAL NATALIA RIGHT NOW, for me is more easy to steal the lord and enemy jungle buffs with the new Natalia ... also can t say that is really a NERF tho ☺️
Ohh I know you! You stalked my account
@@unknownplayer7742 did I 😌?
Request Moonton have a 10 Ban and Role Selection please
BRING ME BACK THE OLD NATA T_T
CANT ROAM PROPERLY WITH THIS NEW ONE
The thing is, they want her to be a jungler which is fine but with her invisibility passive can be just refreshed via entering a bush is much easier. Aamon is the jungler that has the camouflage passive since he needs to cast a skill and only for a couple of seconds to be camouflage so if moontoon wants to make Natalia jungle either make her invisibility like aamon where it isn't permanent. I know many roam Natalia mains will hate this but it's just a suggestion if moontoon wants to make her a jungler
that literally makes her useless...unless they restore her silence and slow
@@ashishabraham2699 to be honest her kit is pretty much an assassin a dash that you can use in and out. A smoke bomb allowing you to claw and slow the enemies and an ultimate to reset your passive it's just that her invisibility makes her a good roamer instead an assassin
Yea that's what..making her like aamon that need skill cast to refresh the camo is just a big nerf...she used to be unique with true invisibility.. Now she's not even scary
Yea no that would entirely make her trash sorry dude...., she just needs to have more cool down from kills
now even molina can find her, fighter like paquito, esme, thamuz can chase her even eve valir edora, gs always destroy her passive(.6s reveal is too low), enemy can react too fast(.25s silance is too low & slow effect also gone & ultimate have goddamn 3s cd), her conceal is totally useless as a protection (meta is full of skill caster)
But worst of all is that 0.6 s reveal; previously we can trick enemy in wrong path and escape from another path now tank-fighter will keep chasing us natalia can't even escape properly anymore
natalia stocking ult nerf made him out of the banning section
Advance congrats sa 3m subs
nope..still ban listed...don't want to get a heart attack suddenly...and nowadays there are a lot of bugs in-game..
I really hate when I face against a Rafaela. The struggle of not being discovered is real 😂
Hylos exp and rafaela roam is fun against nat
what about saber first skill and valir all skills
I literally quit playing Nata because of this nerf
Thx Moonton
Let me help yu zhong/top lane: *waits till he got killed*
at this rate shes only viable as A hunter( a hero that hunts down critically low Hp enemies)
i am still natalia main but i rarely use her because of how easy enemy can see her i think moonton when a bit too far about the exposure time i mean all enemy can counter her now plus urmm the to recover the ult you need to killjc to reduce the cd but if enemy & teamate kill all jc it take so long for the ult to be use again it's unfair i would say
Moontoon should at least lower her detection range. This could help her a lot with these nerfs
and then your teammates that didnt know the role of Natalia keep complaijing on you when you just walking around near clashed to target squishy enemy heroes
I almost forgot it was a nerf XD until the end of the video
Natalia now sucks. No more invi, no more Natalia😢
0:37 elgin try to steal the buff using execute 😭
I think her slow should come back and her silence is increased to .50 so that it stacks to 1 sec silenced
I hate the way they changed her passive invi to camo untargetable. When they see me they keep chasing me LOL so annoying!!
I don't get it she nerfed so much and people still banning her wtf can't get to use my main😭.
The nerf this time was huge for me but not enough to stop her if you know her well