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Hare Krishna Prabhuji.. Just now I have watched your video. Thank you very much for enlightening on this topic. I have few questions : (i) Do you agree that Srila Prabhupad was poisoned by his own disciples ? (ii) the letters signed by prabhupad in the last stage mentioned about Ritwik because he might have found that the 11 disciples name suggested by Tamal are not Uttam Adhikaris and hence should not give direct initiation but can give initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupad...Please share your views on this...
Hare Krishna.. Please do check “Prabhupada’s Rtvik System As It Is (Hindi Subs)” by Nimai Nitai das. And get to know about the full reality of this system and then decide which side you want to be. Prabhuji why are you trying to hide many points in the video and skipping the main points told by Srila Prabhupada.
@@rts9797 Actually ritviks are doing Vaisnava Aparadha against Srila Prabhupada. As per him, Srila Prabhupada was not qualified to even make one pure devotee who could be a diksha guru. As per SB and Gita, a pure devotee can make many other pure devotees as well, but since as according to you Prabhupada was not able to do it, so prabhupada himself was not a pure devotee. Prabhupada NEVER said that after he leave, none of his disciples can give diksha. But we are 100% sure that Srila Prabhupada is very pleased with the current ISKCON gurus and his disciples, for their work, efforts and dedication to follow, practice and preach KC. They can never give diksha against the desire of Prabhupada, as they are totally surrendered to Prabhupada. They clearly specify at the time of initiation that they are only a medium to connect their disciples to Srila Prabhupada and Guru Parampara. They might be conditioned in beginning of their spiritual journey (1970s), but now many of them are pure devotees. Srila Prabhupada still regularly keep in touch with his sincere and dedicated disciples. Many of them are pure devotees. This I have come to realise by closely interacting with their brahmachari and grihastha disciples. Many of the current ISKCON sanyasi gurus have mystic powers (this I know after closely associating with the disciples of HH Radhanath Swami Maharaj, Late HH Gopala Krishna Goswami Maharaj, HH Jaya Pataka Maharaj, HH Radha Govinda Swami Maharaj, HH Giriraj Maharaj, Late HH Bhakti Tirtha Maharaj and HH Indradyumna Swami Maharaj. I am closely associating with their brahmachari and grihastha disciples since last 6 years). And SB explains ‘Mystic powers automatically comes to the pure devotees without any personal endeavour’.
Hare Krishna Prabhuji Dandavat Pranam, Jay Sri Guru, Sri Gauranga, Jay Radhe Shyam Thank you so much for making this video, we were planning to make a video on this topic in the near future, but this video is just complete. We don't have to make one now, from here on we will just share this video if anyone asks us this question.
Iskcon is an organisation of Srila Prabhupada... Iskcon devotees are from Brahma Madhava godiya sampradaya... This follows bonafide Guru parampara of Madhva acharya Sampradaya Or Brahma Sampradaya...
If you here to read comment do one thing more first share this video with your devotee friends and family And now read comment Watch both the part carefully Much needed video every devotees should watch this ❤
Rightly spoken prabhu, appreciate that you could present this issue eloquently. May Sri Sri Radha Gopinath and Srila Prabhupada bless you to help many souls get fixed up in Krishna consciousness!
Apas me ladho orr moro samne bala ko maro.. yahi too age ka rule pravhu pada ya bola tha.. so I should not join to any so called company after death of Prabhupada.
8.36 you see letter ....why alway last part is being hided 😢where srila prabhupada clearly said. "When I order ,you become guru he became regular guru .that all .he became deciple of my deciple. That's it. They were is the order ?
Another thing I would like to mention is that just see the calmness that ISKCON devotees have as compared to others. ISKCON devotees never criticize others and even when they reply back to something, it is always with references, proofs and in a systematic manner, not just blabbering anything. All glory to Sri Guru and Gauranga
@@Ram-em3ot don't try to act smart Prabhupada said follow one associate with few and respect everyone so it's follow one guru ek hota hei ur not even a gaudiya vaishnava so how ur claiming u follow srila Prabhupada? When ur not even in his parampara stop trying to deviate other people
@@dhanurdhararjundas5908 I follow acharyas and vedas. Since they say all Vaishnav are gururoop and also Srila Prabhupada gave me mahamantra therefore I follow all the acharyas. But, at the same time do not follow their wrong actions or orders.
@@abhinandanpandey4868 Bhai tum Pandey ho, tumhara upnayan hua hai? Aren't you opposing the lord's agya? Iskcon me dekha hai kaise bantte Hain janeu aur vishnuling? Arya samaj aur Gayatri Parivar bhi yagya karate hai ved padhate hai janeu dete hai lekin vo sab pakhand hai. Aise hi namjap, kirtan yahi sanatan dharma hai par namaparadh Jo karwa Raha hai iskcon use kabhi koi bhi authentic nahi prove kar skta I'm a vaishnav and all four sampradayas are called chatussat sampraday.
Literally, Tears are falling from my eyes, Thank you Prabhuji for making this Video, whosoever is watching this video, please take the words of Ishvara Gauranga Prabhuji seriously... Hare Krishna Dandwat Pranaam
Hare Krishna Prabhuji Dandvat Pranam, Heartiest Congratulations fo reaching 100k Subscribers 🎉🎉🎉in Hari Bol, Looking forward to keep learning more from you and serve the Godhead via your mercy, Thank You so much, Hare Krishna.
Hare Krishna.. Please do check “Prabhupada’s Rtvik System As It Is (Hindi Subs)” by Nimai Nitai das. And get to know about the full reality of this system and then decide which is correct. Prabhuji is trying to hide many points in the video and skipping the main points told by Srila Prabhupada.
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
@@krsnaconscious68 YES YOU ARE RIGHT PRABHUPADA DID NOT MADE ANYONE DIKSHA GURU HE MAD RITVIK WHO WILL GIVE DIKSHA ON PRABHUPADA'S BEHALF AND THAT PERSON WILL BE THE DISCIPLE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA THATS ALL.
After Reading this your all doubts will get clarified why ritwiks are right?? Hare Krishna Prabhu PAMHO AGTSP Prabhu, It was an educative presentation. Well done to present your thoughts and opinion, I wish to present you the Prabhupada UNINTERPRETTED version of the reality by bringing all the facts in front of you and the audience and Gaudiya Followers. Prabhu, with all due respect I wish to present concept by concept of your video presentation. If you wish to clarify kindly note that you can personally mail me for a pleasing discussion. To all the viewers, Ishvara Gauranga Das prabhuji has very aptly told that we should not fight on social media which slackkens the faith of a new devotee of ISKCON. My ernest request is to open a podcast and invite both the parties and try to figure-out the issue instead of making a one-sided video and please the converted audience We should act as Prabhupada told us "Cooperation among devotees is a necessity, not an option." (Letter to Kirtanananda, 21 December 1971) 5:28 > Prabhu, this version is a watered-down version of showcasing what happend in ISKCON @ 1980s and next 4 Decades. To know more about this a. Detailed Analysis of ISKCON-GBC Resolution on this Issue : th-cam.com/video/CC25KAPkkT4/w-d-xo.html b. Read HDG Srila Prabhupada on "Why Gaudiya Math Failed?" : theharekrishnamovement.org/2011/04/21/iskcons-decline-after-srila-prabhupadas-departure/ c. Hear ISKCON Bangalore struggle in this regard: th-cam.com/video/cg99MPE8nnQ/w-d-xo.html 6:53 > ISKCON GBC always found it always uncomfortable to discuss this topic internally or publically all these decades. But unavoidably they conducted Ritvik debate 1990s footage. Kindy go through you can easily know who is winning the Argument. P1 : th-cam.com/video/kXTW_zkCEw0/w-d-xo.html P2 : th-cam.com/video/xKO_i_EySUc/w-d-xo.html Hear about the devotees fate discussing this topic then: th-cam.com/video/0etTk84hhaU/w-d-xo.html 8:10 , 8:52 , 9:48, 12:00 , 14:17 > Prabhu, This is a crutial point where the whole argument is watered-down to win the favor of few. To all viewers : Kindly know that MAY 28th, 1977 conversation and July 9th,1977 Conversation are TWINS they can never be seperated. As July 9th letter starts with "Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "ritvik - representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations" Prabhupada is informing "HENCEFORTH" as 11 will act as RITVIK when PRABHUPADA is NO LONGER PHYSICALLY PRESENT there is NO CONFUSION when we read in this context : May 28th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770528mevrn/ July 9th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/letters/letter-to-all-gbc-all-temple-presidents/ July 19th, 1977 : "continue to become ṛttvik and act on my charge." vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770719r1vrn/ I would like to bring to your notice about May 28th, 1977 conversation that Prabhupada told "When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it." that means there was no one order. 14:51 , 18:12 , 23:12 > Prabhupada always hoped that his disciple become qualified for become DIKSHA GURU from 1966 to 1977. But below are decisive interview snippets with Prabhupada's Plan on LAW OF DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION. Interview 1 : June 4th, 1976 : th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html Interview 2 : June 10th, 1976 : th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html Amar Ajna Guru Hai means in Prabhupadas own words as "Shiksha Guru" on May 30 1976 Honolulu: surl.li/gxinu 18:24 > Guru, Sadhu and Shastra Point Prabhu, below are the list of Madhwa, Srivishnava Dignitaries who have not only acknowledged rather have also said this is the same system achayras in their Sampradaya instated: Madhava Scholar : Vidyavachaspati Bannanje Govindacharya : www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/966455-interview-with-sri-bannanje-govindacharya/ Sri Vaishnava Scholar : Sri Sri Rangapriya Swami Desikachar : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2653 Prof. Tatachar , Academy of Sanskrit Research, Melkote : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2655 There is no mention of Sanyas diksha for Mlechhas, but Prabhupada accepted them as Sanyassis for preaching that anyone can be a Vaishnava. Prabhu, Note that this, Gaudiya Matha failed and thier failed leaders have in 1980s and 1990s influence is now impacting ISKCON worldwide.Kindly read what Srila Prabhupada has told about following Gaudiya Math and Hs own Godbrothers: krishna.org/srila-prabhupada-speaks-about-his-gaudiya-math-godbrothers/ 22:14 , 26:35 > Prabhu, Brahma, Siva and other pure devotee fall down is a very offensive statement. It is against the whole parampara system itself. SB 7.7.14 : "Therefore one is strictly forbidden to think that the ācārya is an ordinary human being (guruṣu nara-matiḥ)" > prabhupadabooks.com/sb/7/7/14 Similar instance happened with one Scholar devotee named Nitai Das in 1976 and SP banned him from ISKCON for this kind of offensive statement stating "that Nitai has become a venomous serpent. Be careful of him" srilaprabhupadalila.org/read/SPT258 24:39 , 26:35 , 29:38 > Prabhu, You mentioned without research that HDG BSST didnot open tell that HDG Srila Prabupada is the next acharya is also not so great argument. Kindly read this Letter to Rupanuga -- Tirupati 28 April, 1974 "self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected" vaniquotes.org/wiki/Self_effulgent_acarya_would_be_automatically_selected Be curious within your limit : www.prabhupadaconnect.com/Dont-Go-Very-Speedily.html 25:24 > Prabhu, Yes Prabhupada selected only 11 ritviks but in the same May 28th conversation later authorised to increase or change the number of ritviks at necessary times. But as a the whole Commission committed blunder as accepted later by HH Tamal Krishna Goswami : th-cam.com/video/u2R39HsAXrU/w-d-xo.html HG Hamsaduta Swami : harekrsna.org/prabhupada-never-authorized-us-to-be-gurus-hansadutta-1993/ The most intelligent acharya had setup DIRECTIVE-OF-MANAGEMENT of the smooth running of the Movement and this is : Read this DoM Document: prabhupadabooks.com/dom Read the will of Srila Prabhupada: prabhupadabooks.com/will and note a. GBC is "ultimate managing authority" not "ultimate Spiritual authority" b. "a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is MY INITIATED DISCIPLE" 30:45 > Prabhu, I genunily think that if follow original Parampara as presented by Srila Prabhupada directly we will be more mature. And with regards to infecting new people I agree both the parties have to be very sensitive. Just like ISKCON Bangalore dont outright preach this rather they focus on Philosophy but they reveal it ony when right time comes or when asked for. Sometimes due to influnce of Rasa-Shastra as presented by senior devotees of ISKCON Group neopyte dont learn the the foundational topics from SRILA PRABHUPADA hence later behave sentimentally humble and ecstatic. This has to be rectified ASAP for the welfare of all the devotees in general. Ecstatic Dance like this can be avoided : th-cam.com/users/shortskQqrSF9YIrU?feature=share 34:13 > Yes Vaishnav Aparadh has to be curbed immediately. th-cam.com/video/cKuvYy5MrNM/w-d-xo.html a. Why did famous "Jadurani", "Yamuna" Mathaji leave ISKCON? What happend to "Sulocha Das"? Was justice brought to b. little Vaishnavas who were abused in Gurukulas? etc c. Why people in ISKCON keep canvas about "MY Guru Maharaj" why not Srila Prabhupada? d. HH JPS Maharaj ordered his discples to file a criminal case against HG MPP, is this a Vaishnav Aparadha as it is a Character assasination of a devotee who became an overnight criminal from being a pet Disciple? e. Why the financial reports on Guru dakshina is not published? Where is the money going? Why are dieties wearing plastic garlands? Prabhu, Kindly note that these are not only my questions. There are many questions which is difficult get answer for. Hope you dont delete this comment like the previous one. More 30 years Un-Biased analysis by Ameyatma Das(ACBSP) : th-cam.com/play/PL9OOuzY2ZCr-oxLRbIpRB6aiF8JP-clJE.html Hare Krishna. Your Servant
Dhavalvaghela.. Ritvik vaadi ?? See how u are speaking poison...this is your truth.... You ppl are debating like hindu muslim 😂 really your 11 gurus were in bad bad cases, rape cases and what not 😂...your camp tried to kill ritvik president hg mpp prabhu ji😂 you ppl are really very fallen
Goosebumps moment when you take HH gopal Krishna goswami maharaj ji nd HH jaypataka swami maharaj ji's name🙏🙏they dedicate whole life for Krishna Consciousness, srila prabhupad nd devotees🙏🙇♀️a very needful video for today's generation💯thank u so much prabhuji for clearing all the things...Hare krishna prabuji dandwat pranam 🙏🙇♀️🙇♀️
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
@@dauji9131 If Prabhupada was not happy with his direct disciples who are currently still giving diksha, then he would had let them know. I am sure Prabhupada can communicate with his disciples anytime he wants. So these so-called ritviks should stop worrying and leave it on Srila Prabhupada. All these current sanyasis and gurus keep srila prabhupada in their centre and are totally surrendered to him. They have also clearly said that they are just a medium to connect their disciples with srila prabhupada and guru parampara.
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
Hare Krishna.. Please do check “Prabhupada’s Rtvik System As It Is (Hindi Subs)” by Nimai Nitai das. And get to know about the full reality of this system and then decide which is correct. Prabhuji is trying to hide many points in the video and skipping the main points told by Srila Prabhupada.
I was also introduced to Krishna Consciousness by HG Vrindavan Chandra Prabhuji but later we decided to follow ISKCON as it's Sila Prabhupad's own organisation.
@@Ram-em3ot u mean to say ISKCON is not bonafied? We can't take diksha from there? A vaisnava thinks 1000 times before opening mouth so plz be a good vaisnava first. So many initiating gurus are their in iskcon and very Systematic and pure process of initiation they follow. 🙏 Hare Krishna
@@anshumankr7303 yes prabhuji, iskcon is not eligible to give Diksha to aryas of Bharat. I know what I am speaking, Iskcon does not follow the rules of vaishnavagamas. Follow vaishnavacharyas and vaishnavgamas for they are incarnation/expansion of lord himself. A foreigner, a parampraheen, one who has travelled out of india and many others can not give Diksha. It is advised to get a shrotriya Vaishnav guru, if not him then a sandhyopasak Vaishnav Arya can initiate you as Vaishnav and give nammantra (even he is not eligible to give other mantras and stotras). Hare Krishna, jai Srila Prabhupada
Hare Krishna, you have changed your mind to leave BC but please beware of some so called' gurus' to take initiation. They can never take you to Goloka Vrindavan in this life time. Dozens of 'fake and fallen gurus who are still in their position after they are fallen down. One of them is Lokonath swami who molested a 11 years old girl in CA in 1981. That girl is 42 years old now and still going to therapist.... this is not a story, you can search in Google the details.
Hare Krishna Prabhu, PAMHO, AGTSP. My question is where the order that says Srila Prabhupad authorized them to become guru. On the May 28th 1977 conversation, you failed mention most important part at the bottom or forget to highlight, “When I order you become guru…”, I have been going to iskcon temple since 1996 and have never seen this. Hope to hear from you. Your Servant
Dandavat Pranam Prabhuji.... My mind was so unstable after hearing some of the ritvik argument videos. I had 2 sleepless nights after the harsh comments I heard. But my heart calmed down after listening to your explanations. Bohot Bohot Dhanyawad for these videos.
Hare Krishna.. Please do check “Prabhupada’s Rtvik System As It Is (Hindi Subs)” by Nimai Nitai das. And get to know about the full reality of this system and then decide which is correct. Prabhuji is trying to hide many points in the video and skipping the main points told by Srila Prabhupada.
Actually ritviks are doing Vaisnava Aparadha against Srila Prabhupada. As per him, Srila Prabhupada was not qualified to even make one pure devotee who could be a diksha guru. As per SB and Gita, a pure devotee can make many other pure devotees as well, but since as according to you Prabhupada was not able to do it, so prabhupada himself was not a pure devotee. Prabhupada NEVER said that after he leave, none of his disciples can give diksha. But we are 100% sure that Srila Prabhupada is very pleased with the current ISKCON gurus and his disciples, for their work, efforts and dedication to follow, practice and preach KC. They can never give diksha against the desire of Prabhupada, as they are totally surrendered to Prabhupada. They clearly specify at the time of initiation that they are only a medium to connect their disciples to Srila Prabhupada and Guru Parampara. They might be conditioned in beginning of their spiritual journey (1970s), but now many of them are pure devotees. Srila Prabhupada still regularly keep in touch with his sincere and dedicated disciples. Many of them are pure devotees. This I have come to realise by closely interacting with their brahmachari and grihastha disciples. Many of the current ISKCON sanyasi gurus have mystic powers (this I know after closely associating with the disciples of HH Radhanath Swami Maharaj, Late HH Gopala Krishna Goswami Maharaj, HH Jaya Pataka Maharaj, HH Radha Govinda Swami Maharaj, HH Giriraj Maharaj, Late HH Bhakti Tirtha Maharaj and HH Indradyumna Swami Maharaj. I am closely associating with their brahmachari and grihastha disciples since last 6 years). And SB explains ‘Mystic powers automatically comes to the pure devotees without any personal endeavour’.
Wow i didnt expect goosebumps just by your praising of Jay Pataka Swami Gurumaharaj. Everyone i am saying truth really. Love from Bangladesh. Hare Krishna
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
Hare Krishna Prabhu PAMHO AGTSP Prabhu, It was an educative presentation. Well done to present your thoughts and opinion, I wish to present you the Prabhupada UNINTERPRETTED version of the reality by bringing all the facts in front of you and the audience and Gaudiya Followers. Prabhu, with all due respect I wish to present concept by concept of your video presentation. If you wish to clarify kindly note that you can personally mail me for a pleasing discussion. To all the viewers, Ishvara Gauranga Das prabhuji has very aptly told that we should not fight on social media which slackkens the faith of a new devotee of ISKCON. My ernest request is to open a podcast and invite both the parties and try to figure-out the issue instead of making a one-sided video and please the converted audience We should act as Prabhupada told us "Cooperation among devotees is a necessity, not an option." (Letter to Kirtanananda, 21 December 1971) 5:28 > Prabhu, this version is a watered-down version of showcasing what happend in ISKCON @ 1980s and next 4 Decades. To know more about this a. Detailed Analysis of ISKCON-GBC Resolution on this Issue : th-cam.com/video/CC25KAPkkT4/w-d-xo.html b. Read HDG Srila Prabhupada on "Why Gaudiya Math Failed?" : theharekrishnamovement.org/2011/04/21/iskcons-decline-after-srila-prabhupadas-departure/ c. Hear ISKCON Bangalore struggle in this regard: th-cam.com/video/cg99MPE8nnQ/w-d-xo.html 6:53 > ISKCON GBC always found it always uncomfortable to discuss this topic internally or publically all these decades. But unavoidably they conducted Ritvik debate 1990s footage. Kindy go through you can easily know who is winning the Argument. P1 : th-cam.com/video/kXTW_zkCEw0/w-d-xo.html P2 : th-cam.com/video/xKO_i_EySUc/w-d-xo.html Hear about the devotees fate discussing this topic then: th-cam.com/video/0etTk84hhaU/w-d-xo.html 8:10 , 8:52 , 9:48, 12:00 , 14:17 > Prabhu, This is a crutial point where the whole argument is watered-down to win the favor of few. To all viewers : Kindly know that MAY 28th, 1977 conversation and July 9th,1977 Conversation are TWINS they can never be seperated. As July 9th letter starts with "Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "ritvik - representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations" Prabhupada is informing "HENCEFORTH" as 11 will act as RITVIK when PRABHUPADA is NO LONGER PHYSICALLY PRESENT there is NO CONFUSION when we read in this context : May 28th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770528mevrn/ July 9th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/letters/letter-to-all-gbc-all-temple-presidents/ July 19th, 1977 : "continue to become ṛttvik and act on my charge." vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770719r1vrn/ I would like to bring to your notice about May 28th, 1977 conversation that Prabhupada told "When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it." that means there was no one order. 14:51 , 18:12 , 23:12 > Prabhupada always hoped that his disciple become qualified for become DIKSHA GURU from 1966 to 1977. But below are decisive interview snippets with Prabhupada's Plan on LAW OF DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION. Interview 1 : June 4th, 1976 : th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html Interview 2 : June 10th, 1976 : th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html Amar Ajna Guru Hai means in Prabhupadas own words as "Shiksha Guru" on May 30 1976 Honolulu: surl.li/gxinu 18:24 > Guru, Sadhu and Shastra Point Prabhu, below are the list of Madhwa, Srivishnava Dignitaries who have not only acknowledged rather have also said this is the same system achayras in their Sampradaya instated: Madhava Scholar : Vidyavachaspati Bannanje Govindacharya : www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/966455-interview-with-sri-bannanje-govindacharya/ Sri Vaishnava Scholar : Sri Sri Rangapriya Swami Desikachar : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2653 Prof. Tatachar , Academy of Sanskrit Research, Melkote : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2655 There is no mention of Sanyas diksha for Mlechhas, but Prabhupada accepted them as Sanyassis for preaching that anyone can be a Vaishnava. Prabhu, Note that this, Gaudiya Matha failed and thier failed leaders have in 1980s and 1990s influence is now impacting ISKCON worldwide.Kindly read what Srila Prabhupada has told about following Gaudiya Math and Hs own Godbrothers: krishna.org/srila-prabhupada-speaks-about-his-gaudiya-math-godbrothers/ 22:14 , 26:35 > Prabhu, Brahma, Siva and other pure devotee fall down is a very offensive statement. It is against the whole parampara system itself. SB 7.7.14 : "Therefore one is strictly forbidden to think that the ācārya is an ordinary human being (guruṣu nara-matiḥ)" > prabhupadabooks.com/sb/7/7/14 Similar instance happened with one Scholar devotee named Nitai Das in 1976 and SP banned him from ISKCON for this kind of offensive statement stating "that Nitai has become a venomous serpent. Be careful of him" srilaprabhupadalila.org/read/SPT258 24:39 , 26:35 , 29:38 > Prabhu, You mentioned without research that HDG BSST didnot open tell that HDG Srila Prabupada is the next acharya is also not so great argument. Kindly read this Letter to Rupanuga -- Tirupati 28 April, 1974 "self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected" vaniquotes.org/wiki/Self_effulgent_acarya_would_be_automatically_selected Be curious within your limit : www.prabhupadaconnect.com/Dont-Go-Very-Speedily.html 25:24 > Prabhu, Yes Prabhupada selected only 11 ritviks but in the same May 28th conversation later authorised to increase or change the number of ritviks at necessary times. But as a the whole Commission committed blunder as accepted later by HH Tamal Krishna Goswami : th-cam.com/video/u2R39HsAXrU/w-d-xo.html HG Hamsaduta Swami : harekrsna.org/prabhupada-never-authorized-us-to-be-gurus-hansadutta-1993/ The most intelligent acharya had setup DIRECTIVE-OF-MANAGEMENT of the smooth running of the Movement and this is : Read this DoM Document: prabhupadabooks.com/dom Read the will of Srila Prabhupada: prabhupadabooks.com/will and note a. GBC is "ultimate managing authority" not "ultimate Spiritual authority" b. "a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is MY INITIATED DISCIPLE" 30:45 > Prabhu, I genunily think that if follow original Parampara as presented by Srila Prabhupada directly we will be more mature. And with regards to infecting new people I agree both the parties have to be very sensitive. Just like ISKCON Bangalore dont outright preach this rather they focus on Philosophy but they reveal it ony when right time comes or when asked for. Sometimes due to influnce of Rasa-Shastra as presented by senior devotees of ISKCON Group neopyte dont learn the the foundational topics from SRILA PRABHUPADA hence later behave sentimentally humble and ecstatic. This has to be rectified ASAP for the welfare of all the devotees in general. Ecstatic Dance like this can be avoided : th-cam.com/users/shortskQqrSF9YIrU?feature=share 34:13 > Yes Vaishnav Aparadh has to be curbed immediately. th-cam.com/video/cKuvYy5MrNM/w-d-xo.html a. Why did famous "Jadurani", "Yamuna" Mathaji leave ISKCON? What happend to "Sulocha Das"? Was justice brought to b. little Vaishnavas who were abused in Gurukulas? etc c. Why people in ISKCON keep canvas about "MY Guru Maharaj" why not Srila Prabhupada? d. HH JPS Maharaj ordered his discples to file a criminal case against HG MPP, is this a Vaishnav Aparadha as it is a Character assasination of a devotee who became an overnight criminal from being a pet Disciple? e. Why the financial reports on Guru dakshina is not published? Where is the money going? Why are dieties wearing plastic garlands? Prabhu, Kindly note that these are not only my questions. There are many questions which is difficult get answer for. Hope you dont delete this comment like the previous one. More 30 years Un-Biased analysis by Ameyatma Das(ACBSP) : th-cam.com/play/PL9OOuzY2ZCr-oxLRbIpRB6aiF8JP-clJE.html Hare Krishna. Your Servant.
Thank prabhuji for standing against the allegations on isckon.... Supporting your answers logically... Srila Prabhupada ki jai... Anant koti Vaishnav bhakta vrnda ki jai Sri narsimha prahalada ki jai!🙏🙏🙏
@@Meenakshi-Sharma Hare Krishna Mataji. The Prabhupada Poison theory was debunked decades ago. Why now you are saying this?Actually ritvik system is based on misinterpretion of 9th July letter. I think u are also connected with those people. My humble request to you, please go through iskcon devotees also, u can question them and can clear your doubts. Making Srila prabhupada one's gurumaharaj doesn't mean that he is a follower of prabhupada or he is pleasing Srila prabhupada.
This was very very much informative... Thankyou so much for this video prabhuji😇🙏🏻 i was so confused regarding ritvikvad system. This video helped me alot..Hare krishna! Haribol! 💫
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
@@rahulchandila7589The ritvik philosophy was not based on the scriptures, but merely on supposition and interpretation of a few of Srila Prabhupada’s last statements.
@@biren5445 Hare Krishna prabhu ji I also used to think like that before knowing that Prabhupada has started this process ( initiation on his behalf ) in 1972 not in the last few months. In last Srila Prabhupada gave this process a formal structure which is proved by 9 july 1977 letter
@@rahulchandila7589 I had been ritvik for 8 years. This is just dry philosophy without any support. If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement! Why would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing? Why? Why? Why? Any sane person should accept this fact that there is no such proof! The July 9th letter doesn't say that this ritvik initiation system would go on for 10,000 years.
Hare Krishna Prabhu, PAMHO, AGTSP As you left Ritvik and joined ISKCON, on the other had I left ISKCON and joined Ritvik. It is only and only by the blessings of Srila Prabhupada that it happened with me. Thank you for sharing your point of views and evidence which you think proves that ISKCON is right and Ritviks are wrong. Prabhu are you sure the research you did is full proof and really convincing? If yes, then why is it that you didn’t show even 1 conversation where Srila Prabhupada mentioned that he will always be Diksha Guru? Repeatedly in your video you are saying it is not clear that Srila Prabhupada said his disciples cannot accept disciples after his disappearance, so where is it mentioned they should definitely accept disciples? It was definitely Srila Prabhupada’s desire that his disciples should become pure devotees but he was also very well aware that they were no during his presence. What is the harm in accepting Srila Prabhupada as Diksha Guru even after his disappearance? He is not limited to his physical body. Why not read his books as it is, why to make so many changes? Srila Prabhupada never instructed all these things. Please understand, Srila Prabhupada is not an ordinary guru, he is a Maha Bhagavat and to become his disciple is also not an ordinary thing. He trained his disciples so he was very well aware that they are not fit for becoming Diksha Gurus so he appointed 11 as ritviks, isn’t it stated in July 9th directive that they will be ritviks? If you cannot understand usage of “henceforth” to be taken as Srila Prabhupada being Diksha Guru of ISKCON always even after his disappearance so, how can you understand that it means he will not be after his disappearance? You said knowledge should be based on Guru Sadhu Shastra, so in shastras it is clearly given that who can qualify as Diksha Guru, Srila Prabhupada also spoke extensively about the character of guru, sadhus also speak about the same. Can I please humbly request you to give me 1 name in ISKCON worldwide who can match Srila Prabhupada and fit to become a Diksha Guru? Guru Parampara is most definitely broken in ISKCON the day unqualified and self-proclaimed gurus took over. Why you didn’t mention the instance of Tamal Krishna Maharaj who had accepted that he made a mistake by becoming guru and Srila Prabhupada never instructed that? He was closest to Srila Prabhupada and wrote July 9th directive. How can he make such a big statement? Recently Amogh Lila Prabhu accepted some mistakes ISKCON made, please refer to video th-cam.com/video/020IS-nPdv4/w-d-xo.html Why not mention conversations Srila Prabhupada made with his disciples to not repeat the mistakes his god brothers made in Gaudiya Math by becoming gurus after HG Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakur Maharaj left his body? If you really want people to know entire truth then why not interview HG Madhu Pandit Prabhu, Chairperson ISKCON Bangalore or other authorities who fought the battle for Ritvik system instructed by Srila Prabhupada and put it in your channel and let audience decide what is right and wrong? Why to give only your view point and mislead audiences? Hare Krishna 🙏
SP says If got married to a girl whom i liked then I would not taken sanayas . ( Now here you can doubt SP also bze he was attracted towards a girl at his young age)
Hare Krishna prabhuji 🙇🙏 The way you clear things is commendable 🙏 I bow down at your lotus feet who not only clear the things but give us a lot of lessons through just sorting out things 💌 I literally got goosebumps while watching this video .... I pray to Shree RadhaMadhav to bless all with more intelligence so that we get the right direction in the path of devotion 🙏 And in the future if controversy happens, then like prabhuji many more pure devotees come ahead and give us the right direction Please accept my humble obeisances onto your lotus feet prabhuji 🙇🙇
First of all you say that there is no indication in July 9th letter about it's continuation after Prabhupada's departure but I think you didn't read it's first line. "Recently when the GBC members were with His Divine Grace", it's referring to the May 28th conversation. Just read the May 28th conversation you will understand everything. Prabhupada was asked that "initiations in the future specifically when you are no longer with us" so it clearly means after Prabhupada's departure how initiations will be conducted, then to make it short Prabhupada said that he is going to appoint officiating acharyas ie. Ritwik. You can see all this in the May 28th conversation. So it was very clear that Prabhupada wanted ritwik system after his departure. And even at the end Prabhupada clearly said that only when he says "You become Guru", then one will become regular Guru. So it is very clear from above that 1. After his departure Prabhupada wanted ritwik system to continue and 2. If someone has to become Guru then Prabhupada should order. Also I saw that you are comparing it with other Sampradayas, there is no point in doing that, if Prabhupada is authorising something then that becomes bonafide, that way you should also compare 16 rounds chanting, which Sampradayas do you find this, none right? Why do you follow then?? Because Prabhupada has authorised, right?? Same is with ritwik system!! Also if you still doubt that the Guru need not be ordered by his Guru, then you may go and refer to Prabhupada's lecture in Nairobi on 28th October 1975, where Prabhupada clearly said "A guru can become Guru when he is ordered by his Guru". Also in that Prabhupada clearly said that he had been ordered by His Guru. Also finally there is the will of Prabhupada where Prabhupada has mentioned that the managing director should be "my initiated disciple". So this is possible only if the ritwik system continues. Just two days before Prabhupada changing this point Jayatirtha read and it was "an initiated disciple" but Prabhupada changed it to my initiated disciple. This clearly shows that Prabhupada wanted the ritwik system to continue, otherwise if all the disciples of Prabhupada who have been initiated by Him till 1977, would leave their bodies, then nobody can become managing director, because nobody would be Prabhupada's initiated disciple, so for that to happen ritwik system should continue. Still if you have any doubt on ritwik system, watch this series: th-cam.com/play/PLQGHF3mp1o789PKRgjtfAK9mW7irlqbVe.html
Hare Krishna Prabhu PAMHO AGTSP Prabhu, It was an educative presentation. Well done to present your thoughts and opinion, I wish to present you the Prabhupada UNINTERPRETTED version of the reality by bringing all the facts in front of you and the audience and Gaudiya Followers. Prabhu, with all due respect I wish to present concept by concept of your video presentation. If you wish to clarify kindly note that you can personally mail me for a pleasing discussion. To all the viewers, Ishvara Gauranga Das prabhuji has very aptly told that we should not fight on social media which slackkens the faith of a new devotee of ISKCON. My ernest request is to open a podcast and invite both the parties and try to figure-out the issue instead of making a one-sided video and please the converted audience We should act as Prabhupada told us "Cooperation among devotees is a necessity, not an option." (Letter to Kirtanananda, 21 December 1971) 5:28 > Prabhu, this version is a watered-down version of showcasing what happend in ISKCON @ 1980s and next 4 Decades. To know more about this a. Detailed Analysis of ISKCON-GBC Resolution on this Issue : th-cam.com/video/CC25KAPkkT4/w-d-xo.html b. Read HDG Srila Prabhupada on "Why Gaudiya Math Failed?" : theharekrishnamovement.org/2011/04/21/iskcons-decline-after-srila-prabhupadas-departure/ c. Hear ISKCON Bangalore struggle in this regard: th-cam.com/video/cg99MPE8nnQ/w-d-xo.html 6:53 > ISKCON GBC always found it always uncomfortable to discuss this topic internally or publically all these decades. But unavoidably they conducted Ritvik debate 1990s footage. Kindy go through you can easily know who is winning the Argument. P1 : th-cam.com/video/kXTW_zkCEw0/w-d-xo.html P2 : th-cam.com/video/xKO_i_EySUc/w-d-xo.html Hear about the devotees fate discussing this topic then: th-cam.com/video/0etTk84hhaU/w-d-xo.html 8:10 , 8:52 , 9:48, 12:00 , 14:17 > Prabhu, This is a crutial point where the whole argument is watered-down to win the favor of few. To all viewers : Kindly know that MAY 28th, 1977 conversation and July 9th,1977 Conversation are TWINS they can never be seperated. As July 9th letter starts with "Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "ritvik - representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations" Prabhupada is informing "HENCEFORTH" as 11 will act as RITVIK when PRABHUPADA is NO LONGER PHYSICALLY PRESENT there is NO CONFUSION when we read in this context : May 28th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770528mevrn/ July 9th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/letters/letter-to-all-gbc-all-temple-presidents/ July 19th, 1977 : "continue to become ṛttvik and act on my charge." vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770719r1vrn/ I would like to bring to your notice about May 28th, 1977 conversation that Prabhupada told "When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it." that means there was no one order. 14:51 , 18:12 , 23:12 > Prabhupada always hoped that his disciple become qualified for become DIKSHA GURU from 1966 to 1977. But below are decisive interview snippets with Prabhupada's Plan on LAW OF DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION. Interview 1 : June 4th, 1976 : th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html Interview 2 : June 10th, 1976 : th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html Amar Ajna Guru Hai means in Prabhupadas own words as "Shiksha Guru" on May 30 1976 Honolulu: surl.li/gxinu 18:24 > Guru, Sadhu and Shastra Point Prabhu, below are the list of Madhwa, Srivishnava Dignitaries who have not only acknowledged rather have also said this is the same system achayras in their Sampradaya instated: Madhava Scholar : Vidyavachaspati Bannanje Govindacharya : www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/966455-interview-with-sri-bannanje-govindacharya/ Sri Vaishnava Scholar : Sri Sri Rangapriya Swami Desikachar : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2653 Prof. Tatachar , Academy of Sanskrit Research, Melkote : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2655 There is no mention of Sanyas diksha for Mlechhas, but Prabhupada accepted them as Sanyassis for preaching that anyone can be a Vaishnava. Prabhu, Note that this, Gaudiya Matha failed and thier failed leaders have in 1980s and 1990s influence is now impacting ISKCON worldwide.Kindly read what Srila Prabhupada has told about following Gaudiya Math and Hs own Godbrothers: krishna.org/srila-prabhupada-speaks-about-his-gaudiya-math-godbrothers/ 22:14 , 26:35 > Prabhu, Brahma, Siva and other pure devotee fall down is a very offensive statement. It is against the whole parampara system itself. SB 7.7.14 : "Therefore one is strictly forbidden to think that the ācārya is an ordinary human being (guruṣu nara-matiḥ)" > prabhupadabooks.com/sb/7/7/14 Similar instance happened with one Scholar devotee named Nitai Das in 1976 and SP banned him from ISKCON for this kind of offensive statement stating "that Nitai has become a venomous serpent. Be careful of him" srilaprabhupadalila.org/read/SPT258 24:39 , 26:35 , 29:38 > Prabhu, You mentioned without research that HDG BSST didnot open tell that HDG Srila Prabupada is the next acharya is also not so great argument. Kindly read this Letter to Rupanuga -- Tirupati 28 April, 1974 "self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected" vaniquotes.org/wiki/Self_effulgent_acarya_would_be_automatically_selected Be curious within your limit : www.prabhupadaconnect.com/Dont-Go-Very-Speedily.html 25:24 > Prabhu, Yes Prabhupada selected only 11 ritviks but in the same May 28th conversation later authorised to increase or change the number of ritviks at necessary times. But as a the whole Commission committed blunder as accepted later by HH Tamal Krishna Goswami : th-cam.com/video/u2R39HsAXrU/w-d-xo.html HG Hamsaduta Swami : harekrsna.org/prabhupada-never-authorized-us-to-be-gurus-hansadutta-1993/ The most intelligent acharya had setup DIRECTIVE-OF-MANAGEMENT of the smooth running of the Movement and this is : Read this DoM Document: prabhupadabooks.com/dom Read the will of Srila Prabhupada: prabhupadabooks.com/will and note a. GBC is "ultimate managing authority" not "ultimate Spiritual authority" b. "a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is MY INITIATED DISCIPLE" 30:45 > Prabhu, I genunily think that if follow original Parampara as presented by Srila Prabhupada directly we will be more mature. And with regards to infecting new people I agree both the parties have to be very sensitive. Just like ISKCON Bangalore dont outright preach this rather they focus on Philosophy but they reveal it ony when right time comes or when asked for. Sometimes due to influnce of Rasa-Shastra as presented by senior devotees of ISKCON Group neopyte dont learn the the foundational topics from SRILA PRABHUPADA hence later behave sentimentally humble and ecstatic. This has to be rectified ASAP for the welfare of all the devotees in general. Ecstatic Dance like this can be avoided : th-cam.com/users/shortskQqrSF9YIrU?feature=share 34:13 > Yes Vaishnav Aparadh has to be curbed immediately. th-cam.com/video/cKuvYy5MrNM/w-d-xo.html a. Why did famous "Jadurani", "Yamuna" Mathaji leave ISKCON? What happend to "Sulocha Das"? Was justice brought to b. little Vaishnavas who were abused in Gurukulas? etc c. Why people in ISKCON keep canvas about "MY Guru Maharaj" why not Srila Prabhupada? d. HH JPS Maharaj ordered his discples to file a criminal case against HG MPP, is this a Vaishnav Aparadha as it is a Character assasination of a devotee who became an overnight criminal from being a pet Disciple? e. Why the financial reports on Guru dakshina is not published? Where is the money going? Why are dieties wearing plastic garlands? Prabhu, Kindly note that these are not only my questions. There are many questions which is difficult get answer for. Hope you dont delete this comment like the previous one. More 30 years Un-Biased analysis by Ameyatma Das(ACBSP) : th-cam.com/play/PL9OOuzY2ZCr-oxLRbIpRB6aiF8JP-clJE.html Hare Krishna. Your Servant
I left ISKCON and joined Ritvik (Prabhupada Real ISKCON) Hare Krishna movement. And I believe, when one read all the past incidents and order of Srila Prabhupada, how he introduced ritvik, one will start following Prabhupada original teachings, Ritvik. Hare Krishna Jay Srila Prabhupada
Hare Krishna prabuji I am from ISKCON . I am also very much confused about ISKCON and ISKM. But now it's pretty clear. Thank you for making this vedio. Hare Krishna
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
Since I wanna to connect to ISKCON but not able to do so because of Academic Study and low interest of Parents and in the meantime I got to know about this issue which compelled me to take a step back see all organizations with Third Person Perspective (TPP) and that was the time when I was addicted to Shorts and Reels but due to following ISKCON and ISKM and many other content creators and other monks I observed that ISKCON rarely addresses any issue or other which is not a good thing but if it addresses then addresses with great calmness and humility and also state their contribution to our society such as Acharya Prashant, Sadhguru and others. On the Other hand, there was so much emphasis was given on the issue by GIVE GITA and Banglore and ISKM and in between also a short of ISKM got viral regarding criticising Sadhguru and that was very heartbreaking for me because I never hoped to see such video of any ISKCON devotee then I started to gather many videos on this topic from both sides and last video I saw for this is by ISKCON India Scholars Board and that was very convincing and today after seeing this video all the doubs flew away. And this is the best video with all docs. attached and with such a humble tone and you gave it a good amount of time and explained every possible loophole. Thank you prabhu ji Hare Krishna Harriii boooooll!! ❤
Koi baat nhi pravuji ap hare krishna mahamanta ka chanting kariye baki sab Krishna ke upar chhod dijiye । Ek na ek din Krishna apka aur apka family ka problems ko hata denge ।😇🙏♥️
Whatever it be Both are under the shelter of srila prabhupada There are some conflicts between us but we should respect each other Chant and be happy ❤
Hare Kṛṣṇa Prabhujii 🙏🏻 Dandavat Pranams 🙇🏻♂️🙌🏻 A very very Kṛṣṇa Councious Congratulations for 100k Devotees Family...🎉🌟❤️ Hari Bol😍 A very much thanks for making this video telling the truth and presenting the Real Philosophy what Prabhupada gave...🌺🙏🏻
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
प्रभु जी आपको सुनने के बाद तो रित्विक व्यवस्था पर मेरा विश्वास और भी अधिक दृढ़ हो गया है क्योंकि जैसा आपने बताया कि प्रभुपाद ने शरीर त्यागने से पूर्व 11 रित्विक अप्वॉइंट किए थे इसका मतलब है कि उन्होंने रित्विक व्यवस्था को अपने शरीर त्यागने से पूर्व ही अप्रूवल दे दिया था। श्रील प्रभुपाद ने आप के मुख से ही सच बुलवा दिया😊 और जिस व्यवस्था पर इसकाॅन चल रहा है उस व्यवस्था के विषय में प्रभुपाद ने शरीर त्यागने से पूर्व कोई भी प्लानिंग क्यों नहीं की? आप ने यह कहा कि अन्य आचार्यों ने रित्विक व्यवस्था का खंडन किया है कि यह शास्त्रों के अनुकूल नहीं है फिर श्रील प्रभुपाद ने शरीर रहते शास्त्रों के विपरीत व्यवस्था चला दी आपके कहने का अर्थ यही है!?! जय श्रील प्रभुपाद 🙌
हरे कृष्णा माता जी, इस तरह की logical बातें करना इस कमेन्ट सेक्शन मे वर्जित हैं, कृपया sentimental बातें ही पोस्ट करे अन्यथा किसी guruvadi Prabhu के sentiments हर्ट हो जाएंगे |
Nimisha ranjan mataji ....if your going with ritvik waad then where are those 11 ritvik ....those to whom you are following they are how to be appointed to give initiation...is that Srila Prabhupada asked them to do so sorry ....mataji you need to be very rational and analysing that how arrogancy reflected in rithvik waad people...🙏Hare Krishna 🙏
@@gkgvishwambharmohandas4008 श्री वृंदावन चंद्र दास जी की और भी कई वीडियोस रिलीज हुई हैं, जिनमें की रित्विक व्यवस्था के विषय में बहुत ही तर्कपूर्ण तरीके से समझाया गया है। आप कृपया करके इन वीडियोस को देखें ।अब कहीं भी कोई डाउट नहीं रह गया है कि प्रभुपाद ने रित्विक व्यवस्था ही सेट की थी इसके अलावा दूसरी और कोई व्यवस्था नहीं है। आंखों पर से पर्दा हटाइए सच सामने आ जाएगा।
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
Harii boll🙇🙇i could feel the pain in your voice in the end about people hurting vaishnavas. Your voice itself is representative of how great ISKCON is, how great our Acharyas are. Thank you so much prabhuji. Please bless us with this kind of bhakti and attitude towards other vaishnavas. Hare Krishna. Dandwat pranam. Yas, Sumedha.
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
@@kishanphadke3831 As per Gaudiya Vaishnava siddhanta, the person who gives diksha takes responsibility for taking his disciples back to Godhead. When Srila Prabhupada was physically present in this planet, when he gave diksha and also said "I take responsibility for taking you back to Godhead" Clear, unequivocal, no-doubt statement by Srila Prabhupada. Are the gurus today in ISKCON making such a statement?
hare krishna prabhuji, You can use below eye-opening videos for research. I am not from Akshay patra iskcon banglore or give gita or ISKM. I am a prabhupada devotee. HH bhakti charu swami clarification on ritvikism. th-cam.com/video/wFUJjrtEwwY/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/QatUU7XLxco/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/_WVcjM_MxSU/w-d-xo.html
Muslim reading all these comments, hindus reading this, they will never come into devotion after knowing all this 😂😂 you ppl are fools.....in future all will be demons, fight and die with each other...prabhupad left, evetything shattered
@gaurange1087okey !! But m telling the fact !! You ppl are giving topics to muslim, they know nothing about weakness of iskcon, now they will try to divide us.... Iskcon ppl have tried to bomb and kill our Iskcon Bangalore President MPP PRABHUJI, so many times, even many muslim know this, and taunt prabhupad mission and his devotees..... But we are not like that, we have never tried to kill any devotee....
Hare Krishn prabhuji Dandwat pranam😢🙇♀🌸🌼🙌you r very humble prabhuji🙇♀🌸🌼🙌 Thanku so much prabhuji you explained it very well to us🙇♀🌸 Prabhuji Thanku so much to save many people from vaishnav aparadh🙇♀🌸
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
What a mind blowing video.. amaizing prabhuji... all glories to Srila Prabhupada, all glories to Sril Prabhupada's disciples...all Glories to ISKCON.. Nitai Gaur Sitanath Premanande Haribol...Hare Krishna 🙏🙏🙏📿📿📿📿😇😇😇🙇♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️💛💛💛
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
Hare Krishna prji, nailed it !!! Such a clear presentation. Hard to imagine the impact, this video will have, on many bewildered soul, for times to come....
Prabhuji you explained very nicely and lastly glories of such great vaishnavas you told... Prabhuji please make a video on all these great vaishnavas glorifying them...we want there glorification which will make us pure... Thanks alot prabhuji Hare krishna
Hare Krishna prabhuji , dandavat pranam , very thoughtful presentation, the way you spoke and made us understand each and every aspect with letters of srila Prabhupada was very convincing!!!! I really needed this kind of information for my spiritual journey!!!! And your videos are very inspiring, in 1 or 3 mins video you talk about amazing pastimes , lessons for sadhakas and you cover almost everything in those 2 mins!!!! Thankyou so much Hare Krishna dandavat pranam
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
@@rahulchandila7589yeah that's it when one of the ritvik devotee already cleared they all have miss used the position of ritvik to a GURU so why arguments hence MPP statement is cleared
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
Hare Krishna prabhuji, very well explained. I totally agree with you that we should try not to commit Vaishnav Apradh and one should follow whatever sampraday one wishes to.
hare krishna prabhuji, You can use below eye-opening videos for research. I am not from Akshay patra iskcon banglore or give gita or ISKM. I am a prabhupada devotee. HH bhakti charu swami clarification on ritvikism. th-cam.com/video/wFUJjrtEwwY/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/QatUU7XLxco/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/_WVcjM_MxSU/w-d-xo.html
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
@@rahulchandila7589 Hare Krishna prabhu ji. In this video prabhu ji clearly show what is truth, and as a matter of fact that Prabhupada never appointed any one as diksha guru, that's not true Prabhupada make HH gaur govind swami Maharaj as diksha guru, When Prabhupada went to bhubaneswar there Prabhupada spend 16 days, in between those days there are more topics can be discussed, but among all topic, Prabhupada himself tell that gaur govind swami now you are preching so you need to except disciple so that preaching can be smoothly continue. As a matter of etiquette he except disciple after shrila Prabhupada departure. Well you might think it was just made by iskcon followers but is that every one is wrong and you are only person who is right, if there in iskcon people are not devoted to lord and Prabhupada & his teachings. It can be collapse, but now you can see iskcon is flourishing across the globe. And we welcome you to please come into the shelter of our HDG AC Bhakti Vedanta swami shrila Prabhupada movment. Hare Krishna
@@HQ286 can you show me any letter , conversation where prabhupada made gaur govind swami diksha guru. actually there is no any proof that prabhupada made anyone diksha guru
@@rahulchandila7589 there was top most senior devotees.they told to everyone not that Maharaj is telling that i want to be diksha guru there was more than 8 to 11 people and simelerly Prabhupada wants that every one should become guru hence first be eligible for that, And prabhu ji as a matter of proof and facts prabhu ji represent very nicely you can watch full video frame by frame, we never criticize like you ritvik iskm people are doing, in scripture there are clearly say that ritvik are those who help to master not to be the master, if this was the process so you can even take initiation from srila bhakti siddhant swami Maharaj, spritual master of Prabhupada in this way you can imitate Prabhupada to, forget about everything just take initiation form krsna, why not Scripture are saying if you have any confusion go to 1 - guru 2 _ sastara ( scripture) 3 - sadhu Prabhupada don't know you guys have done such terrible things. If he knows he never appointed ritvik. But after leaving His transcendental body his pure disciples can continue very well, cause of this iskcon is growing. You want proof watch this video properly 🙏 Hare Krishna
If ISKCON is right then in this video this man is saying that like the ISKCON guru's Lord Brahma & Lord Shiva also fell down....This is what told by this person in this video. Do you really think that whatever he told is correct ??
Shrila prabhupaad ji ki geeta me likha hai k ek din pravati mata sir pakad k baithi thi phir shivji k man me unke liye kaam ki iccha jagrat hui kya mtlb hai? K shiv ji k andr kaam vasna aa gyi, Thoda sochna chahiye kaam krodh lobh moh kaise ho skta hai kisi bhi bhagwaan me, Iska jawab nhi de payege ye log, Shiv ji aur baaki devi dewta ko itna neeche kyu btaya gya hai
Prabhuji you have explained it very well with calmness and politely. I find calmness and politeness in other iskcon devotees also. It is too appreciating the way you have described it. Hare Krishna
Hare Bol प्रभुजी आपकी video से नये भक्तो के प्रश्न का उत्तर मिल रहा है (आपकी ईस video से स्पष्ट रूपसे और बहोत ही अच्छे तरीके से समझ आ रहा है, मै भाग्यशाली हु जो मेरी पुरी फॅमिली काफी टाईम से iskcon से जुडे है 🙏Hare krishna 🙏
You don't even know the reality of these evil ISKCON Gurus who poisioned Prabhupada...these iskcon GBC gurus go to parties , Kapil Sharma shows, meet aashish chanchlani ,. GBC which you know as orignal iskcon is and was a managing body, it was supposed to manage iskcon movemnt not to apoint gurus and people and give them names..by following this guru system Prabhupadas deciples will no longer be here.. Prabhupada himself said in his letters one who will follow GBC will surely go to hell so follow the ritvik system , he said this in the July letter if 1977 . Please do some research before commenting such stupid stuff. These gurus do not follow Prabhupada's will. Isliye aankhe band karke andh bhakt banke mat follw Karo GBC iskcon ko.
Already people don't want to do bhakti, after trying so much thing, few people are coming as a result of a lot of preaching, but here is so much division. New people will be confused about where to go. Thank you very much for making it clear . Hare Krishna
Proof that letter of 9th July was for After departures of Srila Prabhupada... (a passage taken from his(Yasodanandan prabhu) diary as written on July 10 1977 ) Tamal Krishna Maharaja comes out of Prabhupada’s room. TKG: “Haribol, Yasoda, did you see this?” Yasoda: “No, what is it?” TKG: “This is signed by Prabhupada.” [Yasoda looks at the July 9th “appointment” letter] Yasoda: “What does all this mean?” TKG: “Devotees have been writing to Prabhupada asking for initiations and now Prabhupada has named eleven ritviks who can initiate on his behalf. Prabhupada said others can be added.” Yasodanandan: “And when Prabhupada departs?” TKG: “They’ll be ritviks. That’s what Prabhupada said. It’s all on tape.”
Hare Krishna prabhuji. Dandawat pranam. Please tell me where it is mentioned that the ritvik list of 11 members can be expanded and the current ritvik priests are allowed by prabhupad ji to give initiation .
@@bhavanabansal1892 this conversation is taken from Diary of Yosadanandan Prabhuji deciple of srila prabhupada....and In conversation it is clearly add more can be add ...
In the conversation document prabhupada clearly said that "you become guru when i order" you didn't mention that. Also, granddeciple word was used for ritikvad. Later in the same conversation prabhupada mentioned "devotees of my devotee" ... this two things were used in different contexts.
Ishwar Prabhu Please do not present half documents references and videos Everyone watch the video of give gita presented full documents and videos of references Please have a look on it
Hare Krishna Ishwar Gaurang Prabhuji this is so mature and Vaishnav way of dealing with such a sensitive topic.Your humility is flashing so brightly that this itself is proof about who is right.And yes this is our Internal family issue and you have not offended Ritviks but explained more clearly.this is proff of your maturity that as i heard many ritwiks outrightly critisize and offend non ritwiks openly without fear of Vaishnav aparadh.Riviks themselves are defeating them as they do not even know what is vaishnav apradh what to speak of know deeper aspects of philosophy....If child do not know ABCD and bluffs about Phd. topics its suh a joke...Hare Krishna may Lord bless you to take ISKCON ahead far and wide but with your ever growing Natural humility....Hare Krishna
Highly recommend very well explained And your description increased our appreciation for Gopal krsna Maharaj and Jayapataka Maharaj. Dandawat pranam prabhuji Hare krsna
Here is the link of the video of final orders of prabhupada with clear voice and lyrics . In which prabhupada is clearing agreed on ritvik system when satsvarupa asks prabhupada - then our next question concerns initiation in the future , particularly when you’re no longer with us we want to know how first and second initiation would be counducted . Then prabhupada said … some of you act as officiating acharya then tamal krishna maharaj said - ritvik then srila prabupada said “yes Ritvik “ . Ab prabhu g aap batao agar unko yeh ritvik establish he nahi karna hota toh why prabhupada agreed on ritvik ? And second thing is you hide the last statements in your proof of final order where prabhupada is saying - when i order you to become guru then he becomes regular guru . And pls don’t get bewildered . If prabhuapada didn’t want ritvik then at that time he clearly rejects to ritvik and said to their disciples after me u can be guru. But prabhupada didn’t said this . If prabhupada said ritvik then we all must be agree on it .
Hare Krishna prabhuji. I totally agree with you on this. Can you pls throw some light on the statement " grand disciples " what prabhupad ji said...because it is little confusing and people are focusing on that word....pls help me with this prabhuji...thankyou.
आपने 100% सही कहा है प्रभुजी वो भी पूरे सबूत के साथ में सबसे अच्छा ये लगा की आपने आपने कहा कि प्रभुपाद को ना छोड़े जबकि ऋत्विक वाले बोलते हैं की प्रभुपाद को छोड़ के कही ओर से दीक्षा ले ले लेकिन इस्कॉन से न ले ये वैष्णव अपराध है
Prabhuji kaha se aapko ye sahi lag Raha h ........ Inhone ye to btaya hi nhi ki prabhupad ji ne kisi ko bhi dikhsha guru banne ka nhi bola h ...... Prabhupada ji ne ye kaha h ki 10,000 years tak bahi diksha guru rahenge .... Ye log is baat ko kyun nhi manne ko taiyaar h ..... Or aaj khud hi diksha guru banke baidhe h kyun nhi prabhupad ji ke full order ka palan kar hare
भाई जिसे जाना था वो चला गया एक दिन सबको जाना है और कुछ भी साथ नहीं लेकर जाना। रहीं बात साधक की, वो जिसे चाहे उसकी आज्ञा से उसे अपना गुरु बना सकता हैं। आध्यात्मिक जीवन में अपने आप को आप जितना महत्व दोगे उतना ही आपका महत्व कम होता जायेगा । उतम यही होगा कि गुरु चुनने का निर्णय आप दोनों (रित्विक और इस्कोन) जो साधक जिसे दीक्षा स्वीकार करनी है उसी पर छोड़ दें।🙏 ।। हरे कृष्ण राधे राधे।।
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
Hare Krishna Prabhuji, I ask for your mercy and would like to apologise for all my words I said in the comments about the bias. It wasn't appropriate and required when i discovered the real truth. Senior devotees told me the complete truth about ritvik and other things which are being used to malign ISKCON. But you keep posting beautiful guidance videos. They are always helpful. Humble obeisances and extremely sorry for my comment. Hare Krishna 🙏
Hare Krishna, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada, All glories to Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga. Prabhu thank you 🙏 Ys, Parakrami Partha Das
Hare Krishna Prabhuji ... You reference to GBC is incomplete... in the next few lines Srila Prabhupada says "Prabhupāda: When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it.". So my question to you is did he ever order that someone has become regular guru ?
@@krishnacharan9527 हा जरुर होना चाहिये ! शास्त्र कहता हैं की, जो भी व्यक्ती (कितना भी पतित क्यों न हो !!) सिर्फ एक बार श्रीभगवन विष्णू या श्रीराम या श्रीकृष्ण का नाम को उच्चारता हैं (चाहे हसीं मजाक या व्यंग से भी !!) उसे वैष्णव समझना चाहिये ! इसीलिये प.पू प्रभुपादजी भी हमेशा कहा करते थे की, "NEVER BLAME A PERSON WHO IS STANDING BELOW THE SHOWER" तो अब आप ही बताओ श्रीमान कृष्णचरण जी, की इस दुनियाँ में "वैष्णव" कितने होंगे ?!!😊
Hare Krishna! ISKCON Satyamedha, Satyakaam aur Satyasankalp Bhagwan ki pooja karwata hai bina Bonafide Diksha Guru k. ISKCON k anth ki Shuruwat ho chuki hai.
Hare Krishna Prabhu Very nice to hear you. There is no much difference between ritwik system and other iskcon. Do your sadhana nicely. Pray to prabhupada and krishna. I'm not that much qualified and well knowledgeable person like you. I have not read prabhupada books like you by reading each and every line.But, i want to ask some questions to you. Who can be guru? What are his qualifications? How can we recognise him? How much you know about your guru? Is he qualified enough to deliver you from this nescience of material world? Are you in safe hands? How much confidence and faith you have in your guru? No need to answer all these questions for me. Just ask yourself, introspect and answer yourself. Answers will be revealed to you by Krishna and yourself. Surrendering to guru is very important in spiritual life. But, choosing perfect spiritual master is more important than accepting any guru. If you know that your guru can deliver you from this material world, I'm happy for you. We don't know whether we will go back to godhead or take human life or other living entities form. Be cautious. Yasya prasadad bhagavat prasado- without the mercy of guru, one cannot reach Krishna(God). Guru is the direct representative of Krishna. Know your guru before accepting anyone as a guru. You are telling living guru is needed after disappearance of prabhupada. But , know that Vani (instructions by hearting) is more important than vapu(personal association). How many times did you associate with your spiritual master personally? You are telling acharyas and devatas also fall down. Yes, sometimes they fell down. They alone fell down. No one should accept disciples if they are not qualified to deliver all the Surrendered souls. After accepting so many disciples, if you fall down, that means you are incapable of delivering the surrendered souls and knowingly you are putting everyone in more dangerous situation. Becoming guru means taking responsibility of taking each and every disciple back to home, back to godhead. If they are not qualified enough to deliver disciples, it's a cheating to all their disciples. Prabhupada says Guru can't go to goloka until he takes back all his disciples back to home, back to godhead. Everyone is pure devotee. But, due to our various desires, we fell down and became degraded. After disappearance of prabhupada, now 12 gurus are there, again they are increasing into more numbers. When i went to one of iskcon temple, one devotee asked me who is your Guru? Many devotees may face this question so many times. I told prabhupada is my guru. Nobody in iskcon Bangalore and group of temples asks this question because prabhupada is our guru and we are all his disciples, just like one father, one family, nothing else. You are telling devatas and many devotees fell down. Don't compare iskcon current gurus with previous acharyas. We are not that much qualified to compare them. Acharyas life is nothing else, but a play of Krishna for keeping the example to the world. Their life starts with arrival of Krishna in their normal life. Guru is not just a normal teacher who teaches some subject and go. Sometimes, this normal school teacher may not know answer for some question. But, in spiritual life, spiritual master already know the final exam question(that is rememberance of the lord Krishna at the time of death), and he should make his disciples qualified to pass this final exam which decides your destination. If the spiritual master is not qualified to guide them properly, then what is the use of having such guru when he is not authorised person to be called as a guru. I can assure 10000% or more(how much % you want) that if you accept prabhupada as your guru and follow his instructions, then definitely they will go back to godhead. How much are you sure of your guru? If you are sure that your guru can deliver you, then accept anyone as your guru. That's good. But, i always say we should choose the best one over better options. Prabhupada is the best. There is no doubt. You also know it. We are suggesting you the best path.We are not worried whether you are in ritwik system or other system. You are also chanting, we are also chanting. You are doing your sadhana nicely and we are also doing. The only difference is we have prabhupada be as our guru and you have so many gurus. You need another guru after the disappearance of current iskcon gurus. You will go on making gurus. People will get confused whom to accept as their guru. So many devotees may think that they may also become guru.We should be very cautiously practice Krishna consciousness. Know yourself. Your life will not start until you know yourself. Know your guru. Your spiritual life starts and guru will guide, set your Guri(the ultimate goal of life) and take you to Krishna. Know Krishna: The ultimate goal of life Sthane sthite Shruthi gatam- wherever you are, just go on hearing about Krishna. That will lead you to perfection. I'm saying this not to offend anyone, but to give clarity and proper knowledge. Forgive me even if i offended anyone by mistake also Thank you so much Chant and be happy Hare Krishna Prabhu
You nailed it prabhu. I also went through all the proofs you showed but not able to compile it as you did it. I have debates defending Iskcon with same proofs you showed, whole life srila Prabhupada never talk about ritvik. I never think so much on gran disciple world. I realised it now. Thank you very much prabhuji for making this video. I will share it with my friends who got confused after hearing others view.
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
Hare Krishna... My humble submission for consideration. If there were falls in disciples after physical disappearance of Shrila Prabhupad, it indicates that disciples were not in pure devotional service and were not fit to be spiritual masters. In guru parampara system, generally only one successor is appointed and not many. If there are many appointments, it cannot be said to be in disciplic succession. When successors were not fit to be spiritual master, chain of disciplic succession is broken and therefore Ritvik system is the only alternative for continuing original principles.
Fall of disciples does not mean all disciples had fallen. Moreover just because someone is not on platform of pure devotional service does not also mean they will never be able to make to that platform. By going with that logic no one is qualified to become spiritual master like Sri Krsna Himself because any living entity how great he might be cannot equate with Krsna in terms of Omnipotence, omnipresence and Omniscience. Even Brahma ji had faced few problems but still he is acharya.
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Lado apas me lado orr moro samne bala ko maro.. yhi too hua Kali age ka neom..
Hare Krishna Prabhuji.. Just now I have watched your video. Thank you very much for enlightening on this topic. I have few questions : (i) Do you agree that Srila Prabhupad was poisoned by his own disciples ? (ii) the letters signed by prabhupad in the last stage mentioned about Ritwik because he might have found that the 11 disciples name suggested by Tamal are not Uttam Adhikaris and hence should not give direct initiation but can give initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupad...Please share your views on this...
Hare Krishna.. Please do check “Prabhupada’s Rtvik System As It Is (Hindi Subs)” by Nimai Nitai das. And get to know about the full reality of this system and then decide which side you want to be. Prabhuji why are you trying to hide many points in the video and skipping the main points told by Srila Prabhupada.
@@rts9797 Actually ritviks are doing Vaisnava Aparadha against Srila Prabhupada. As per him, Srila Prabhupada was not qualified to even make one pure devotee who could be a diksha guru. As per SB and Gita, a pure devotee can make many other pure devotees as well, but since as according to you Prabhupada was not able to do it, so prabhupada himself was not a pure devotee.
Prabhupada NEVER said that after he leave, none of his disciples can give diksha.
But we are 100% sure that Srila Prabhupada is very pleased with the current ISKCON gurus and his disciples, for their work, efforts and dedication to follow, practice and preach KC.
They can never give diksha against the desire of Prabhupada, as they are totally surrendered to Prabhupada. They clearly specify at the time of initiation that they are only a medium to connect their disciples to Srila Prabhupada and Guru Parampara. They might be conditioned in beginning of their spiritual journey (1970s), but now many of them are pure devotees.
Srila Prabhupada still regularly keep in touch with his sincere and dedicated disciples. Many of them are pure devotees. This I have come to realise by closely interacting with their brahmachari and grihastha disciples.
Many of the current ISKCON sanyasi gurus have mystic powers (this I know after closely associating with the disciples of HH Radhanath Swami Maharaj, Late HH Gopala Krishna Goswami Maharaj, HH Jaya Pataka Maharaj, HH Radha Govinda Swami Maharaj, HH Giriraj Maharaj, Late HH Bhakti Tirtha Maharaj and HH Indradyumna Swami Maharaj. I am closely associating with their brahmachari and grihastha disciples since last 6 years).
And SB explains ‘Mystic powers automatically comes to the pure devotees without any personal endeavour’.
@@rts9797 thats so true i have seen that video
Hare Krishna Prabhuji Dandavat Pranam,
Jay Sri Guru, Sri Gauranga, Jay Radhe Shyam
Thank you so much for making this video, we were planning to make a video on this topic in the near future, but this video is just complete. We don't have to make one now, from here on we will just share this video if anyone asks us this question.
Please u also make 😭😭
Thank you so much Prabhuji and Mataji.
Your words means a lot to me.
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hare krishna thanku so much for your explanation
Iskcon is an organisation of Srila Prabhupada... Iskcon devotees are from Brahma Madhava godiya sampradaya... This follows bonafide Guru parampara of Madhva acharya Sampradaya Or Brahma Sampradaya...
If you here to read comment do one thing more first share this video with your devotee friends and family
And now read comment Watch both the part carefully
Much needed video every devotees should watch this ❤
Hare krishna prabhuji, one of fan of urs.
Did u see Give gita HG Vrindavancharya ji resposne to this video. Please comment on. That also.
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Why can't you pray directly to God without mediator or any middle men
@@UdtaAkash prabhuji i respect u but ritwik is what prabhupada ordered …father may want many things but what he ordered will be applied
Rightly spoken prabhu, appreciate that you could present this issue eloquently. May Sri Sri Radha Gopinath and Srila Prabhupada bless you to help many souls get fixed up in Krishna consciousness!
Thank you so much Prabhuji.
Your words mean a lot to me
Hari Bol 🙏🏽
Apas me ladho orr moro samne bala ko maro.. yahi too age ka rule pravhu pada ya bola tha.. so I should not join to any so called company after death of Prabhupada.
Refer 15:04 trained to become future *spiritual master* , clearly mentioned.
Not write as diksha guru.
Prabhupada is the only diksha guru.
Yes@@Jai_Jai_shri_Ram108
8.36 you see letter ....why alway last part is being hided 😢where srila prabhupada clearly said.
"When I order ,you become guru he became regular guru .that all .he became deciple of my deciple. That's it.
They were is the order ?
Another thing I would like to mention is that just see the calmness that ISKCON devotees have as compared to others. ISKCON devotees never criticize others and even when they reply back to something, it is always with references, proofs and in a systematic manner, not just blabbering anything. All glory to Sri Guru and Gauranga
@@Ram-em3ot don't try to act smart Prabhupada said follow one associate with few and respect everyone so it's follow one guru ek hota hei ur not even a gaudiya vaishnava so how ur claiming u follow srila Prabhupada? When ur not even in his parampara stop trying to deviate other people
@@Ram-em3ot If you follow Śrīla Prabhupada then follow completely.... Otherwise
Half Hen Logic
@@dhanurdhararjundas5908 I follow acharyas and vedas. Since they say all Vaishnav are gururoop and also Srila Prabhupada gave me mahamantra therefore I follow all the acharyas. But, at the same time do not follow their wrong actions or orders.
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@@abhinandanpandey4868 Bhai tum Pandey ho, tumhara upnayan hua hai? Aren't you opposing the lord's agya? Iskcon me dekha hai kaise bantte Hain janeu aur vishnuling? Arya samaj aur Gayatri Parivar bhi yagya karate hai ved padhate hai janeu dete hai lekin vo sab pakhand hai. Aise hi namjap, kirtan yahi sanatan dharma hai par namaparadh Jo karwa Raha hai iskcon use kabhi koi bhi authentic nahi prove kar skta
I'm a vaishnav and all four sampradayas are called chatussat sampraday.
It's your ignorance and personal grudge. Your personal should be kept within you and not publicise.
Literally, Tears are falling from my eyes, Thank you Prabhuji for making this Video, whosoever is watching this video, please take the words of Ishvara Gauranga Prabhuji seriously... Hare Krishna Dandwat Pranaam
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Amazing. May Srila Prabhupada bless you with all success in your spiritual journey. My heart is filled with gratitude to you. Hare Krishna 🙏
Hare Krishna.. Please do check “Prabhupada’s Rtvik System As It Is (Hindi Subs)” by Nimai Nitai das. And get to know about the full reality of this system and then decide which is correct. Prabhuji is trying to hide many points in the video and skipping the main points told by Srila Prabhupada.
HG Ishvara Gauranga prabhu ki jay 🙌🏻
Every ritvik vadi should watch this and get awareness about this. Very logical and great representating.
HARE KRISHNA
PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!!
(1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977
(2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon
(3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru.
I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
@@rahulchandila7589 hare Krishna pls accept my pranams
prabhupad was also not made diksha guru so how you can take initiation from them?
@@krsnaconscious68 YES YOU ARE RIGHT
PRABHUPADA DID NOT MADE ANYONE DIKSHA GURU HE MAD RITVIK WHO WILL GIVE DIKSHA ON PRABHUPADA'S BEHALF AND THAT PERSON WILL BE THE DISCIPLE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA THATS ALL.
After Reading this your all doubts will get clarified why ritwiks are right??
Hare Krishna Prabhu
PAMHO
AGTSP
Prabhu, It was an educative presentation. Well done to present your thoughts and opinion, I wish to present you the Prabhupada UNINTERPRETTED version of the reality by bringing all the facts in front of you and the audience and Gaudiya Followers. Prabhu, with all due respect I wish to present concept by concept of your video presentation. If you wish to clarify kindly note that you can personally mail me for a pleasing discussion.
To all the viewers, Ishvara Gauranga Das prabhuji has very aptly told that we should not fight on social media which slackkens the faith of a new devotee of ISKCON. My ernest request is to open a podcast and invite both the parties and try to figure-out the issue instead of making a one-sided video and please the converted audience We should act as Prabhupada told us "Cooperation among devotees is a necessity, not an option." (Letter to Kirtanananda, 21 December 1971)
5:28 > Prabhu, this version is a watered-down version of showcasing what happend in ISKCON @ 1980s and next 4 Decades. To know more about this
a. Detailed Analysis of ISKCON-GBC Resolution on this Issue : th-cam.com/video/CC25KAPkkT4/w-d-xo.html
b. Read HDG Srila Prabhupada on "Why Gaudiya Math Failed?" : theharekrishnamovement.org/2011/04/21/iskcons-decline-after-srila-prabhupadas-departure/
c. Hear ISKCON Bangalore struggle in this regard: th-cam.com/video/cg99MPE8nnQ/w-d-xo.html
6:53 > ISKCON GBC always found it always uncomfortable to discuss this topic internally or publically all these decades. But unavoidably they conducted Ritvik debate 1990s footage. Kindy go through you can easily know who is winning the Argument.
P1 : th-cam.com/video/kXTW_zkCEw0/w-d-xo.html
P2 : th-cam.com/video/xKO_i_EySUc/w-d-xo.html
Hear about the devotees fate discussing this topic then: th-cam.com/video/0etTk84hhaU/w-d-xo.html
8:10 , 8:52 , 9:48, 12:00 , 14:17 >
Prabhu, This is a crutial point where the whole argument is watered-down to win the favor of few.
To all viewers : Kindly know that MAY 28th, 1977 conversation and July 9th,1977 Conversation are TWINS they can never be seperated. As July 9th letter starts with "Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "ritvik
- representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations"
Prabhupada is informing "HENCEFORTH" as 11 will act as RITVIK when PRABHUPADA is NO LONGER PHYSICALLY PRESENT there is NO CONFUSION when we read in this context :
May 28th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770528mevrn/
July 9th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/letters/letter-to-all-gbc-all-temple-presidents/
July 19th, 1977 : "continue to become ṛttvik and act on my charge." vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770719r1vrn/
I would like to bring to your notice about May 28th, 1977 conversation that Prabhupada told "When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it."
that means there was no one order.
14:51 , 18:12 , 23:12 >
Prabhupada always hoped that his disciple become qualified for become DIKSHA GURU from 1966 to 1977. But below are decisive interview snippets with Prabhupada's Plan on LAW OF DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION.
Interview 1 : June 4th, 1976 : th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
Interview 2 : June 10th, 1976 : th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
Amar Ajna Guru Hai means in Prabhupadas own words as "Shiksha Guru" on May 30 1976 Honolulu: surl.li/gxinu
18:24 > Guru, Sadhu and Shastra Point
Prabhu, below are the list of Madhwa, Srivishnava Dignitaries who have not only acknowledged rather have also said this is the same system achayras in their Sampradaya instated:
Madhava Scholar :
Vidyavachaspati Bannanje Govindacharya : www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/966455-interview-with-sri-bannanje-govindacharya/
Sri Vaishnava Scholar :
Sri Sri Rangapriya Swami Desikachar : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2653
Prof. Tatachar , Academy of Sanskrit Research, Melkote : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2655
There is no mention of Sanyas diksha for Mlechhas, but Prabhupada accepted them as Sanyassis for preaching that anyone can be a Vaishnava.
Prabhu, Note that this, Gaudiya Matha failed and thier failed leaders have in 1980s and 1990s influence is now impacting ISKCON worldwide.Kindly read what Srila Prabhupada has told about following Gaudiya Math and Hs own Godbrothers: krishna.org/srila-prabhupada-speaks-about-his-gaudiya-math-godbrothers/
22:14 , 26:35 > Prabhu, Brahma, Siva and other pure devotee fall down is a very offensive statement. It is against the whole parampara system itself.
SB 7.7.14 : "Therefore one is strictly forbidden to think that the ācārya is an ordinary human being (guruṣu nara-matiḥ)" > prabhupadabooks.com/sb/7/7/14
Similar instance happened with one Scholar devotee named Nitai Das in 1976 and SP banned him from ISKCON for this kind of offensive statement stating "that Nitai has become a venomous serpent. Be careful of him"
srilaprabhupadalila.org/read/SPT258
24:39 , 26:35 , 29:38 > Prabhu, You mentioned without research that HDG BSST didnot open tell that HDG Srila Prabupada is the next acharya is also not so great argument. Kindly read this Letter to Rupanuga -- Tirupati 28 April, 1974
"self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected"
vaniquotes.org/wiki/Self_effulgent_acarya_would_be_automatically_selected
Be curious within your limit : www.prabhupadaconnect.com/Dont-Go-Very-Speedily.html
25:24 >
Prabhu, Yes Prabhupada selected only 11 ritviks but in the same May 28th conversation later authorised to increase or change the number of ritviks at necessary times. But as a the whole Commission committed blunder as accepted later by
HH Tamal Krishna Goswami : th-cam.com/video/u2R39HsAXrU/w-d-xo.html
HG Hamsaduta Swami : harekrsna.org/prabhupada-never-authorized-us-to-be-gurus-hansadutta-1993/
The most intelligent acharya had setup DIRECTIVE-OF-MANAGEMENT of the smooth running of the Movement and this is :
Read this DoM Document: prabhupadabooks.com/dom
Read the will of Srila Prabhupada: prabhupadabooks.com/will and note
a. GBC is "ultimate managing authority" not "ultimate Spiritual authority"
b. "a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is MY INITIATED DISCIPLE"
30:45 > Prabhu, I genunily think that if follow original Parampara as presented by Srila Prabhupada directly we will be more mature.
And with regards to infecting new people I agree both the parties have to be very sensitive. Just like ISKCON Bangalore dont outright preach this rather they focus on Philosophy but they reveal it ony when right time comes or when asked for. Sometimes due to influnce of Rasa-Shastra as presented by senior devotees of ISKCON Group neopyte dont learn the the foundational topics from SRILA PRABHUPADA hence later behave sentimentally humble and ecstatic. This has to be rectified ASAP for the welfare of all the devotees in general.
Ecstatic Dance like this can be avoided : th-cam.com/users/shortskQqrSF9YIrU?feature=share
34:13 > Yes Vaishnav Aparadh has to be curbed immediately.
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a. Why did famous "Jadurani", "Yamuna" Mathaji leave ISKCON? What happend to "Sulocha Das"? Was justice brought to b. little Vaishnavas who were abused in Gurukulas? etc
c. Why people in ISKCON keep canvas about "MY Guru Maharaj" why not Srila Prabhupada?
d. HH JPS Maharaj ordered his discples to file a criminal case against HG MPP, is this a Vaishnav Aparadha as it is a Character assasination of a devotee who became an overnight criminal from being a pet Disciple?
e. Why the financial reports on Guru dakshina is not published? Where is the money going? Why are dieties wearing plastic garlands?
Prabhu, Kindly note that these are not only my questions. There are many questions which is difficult get answer for. Hope you dont delete this comment like the previous one.
More 30 years Un-Biased analysis by Ameyatma Das(ACBSP) : th-cam.com/play/PL9OOuzY2ZCr-oxLRbIpRB6aiF8JP-clJE.html
Hare Krishna.
Your Servant
Dhavalvaghela.. Ritvik vaadi ?? See how u are speaking poison...this is your truth.... You ppl are debating like hindu muslim 😂 really your 11 gurus were in bad bad cases, rape cases and what not 😂...your camp tried to kill ritvik president hg mpp prabhu ji😂 you ppl are really very fallen
Very nice and effective video prabhuji. Video dekhkar aur sunkar anshu aa gaye. Hare Krishna 🙏🙏
Goosebumps moment when you take HH gopal Krishna goswami maharaj ji nd HH jaypataka swami maharaj ji's name🙏🙏they dedicate whole life for Krishna Consciousness, srila prabhupad nd devotees🙏🙇♀️a very needful video for today's generation💯thank u so much prabhuji for clearing all the things...Hare krishna prabuji dandwat pranam 🙏🙇♀️🙇♀️
So true. I wonder how can people think of saying even a word against HH Gopal Krishna Goswami Maharaj and HH Jai Pataka Swami Maharaj.
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*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980*
Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja:
The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna
spoke.
Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed
eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have
done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
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@@dauji9131 If Prabhupada was not happy with his direct disciples who are currently still giving diksha, then he would had let them know. I am sure Prabhupada can communicate with his disciples anytime he wants. So these so-called ritviks should stop worrying and leave it on Srila Prabhupada. All these current sanyasis and gurus keep srila prabhupada in their centre and are totally surrendered to him. They have also clearly said that they are just a medium to connect their disciples with srila prabhupada and guru parampara.
Nothing can run without prabhupad's mercy. All glories to shrila prabhupad🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️hare krishna 🙏🏻
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All glories to Srila Prabhupada!! ❤
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980*
Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja:
The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna
spoke.
Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed
eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have
done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
@@krishnacharan9527 but prabhupada said in one of his letter that after me you have to become gurus
@@krishnacharan9527 and this I breaking guru parampara
His holiness shri gopal krishna goswami maharaj and his holiness shri jayapataka maharaj ki jai
Hare krsna🙏
Jay🙌🏻
Gaura nitai ki jodi
Prabhupada used to say both maharajs
Jay ho ❤
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980*
Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja:
The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna
spoke.
Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed
eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have
done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
Hare Krishna.. Please do check “Prabhupada’s Rtvik System As It Is (Hindi Subs)” by Nimai Nitai das. And get to know about the full reality of this system and then decide which is correct. Prabhuji is trying to hide many points in the video and skipping the main points told by Srila Prabhupada.
32:55 u made me cry there 🥺🥺🥺🥺 thanks a lot... grateful 🙏 desciple of HH Gopal Krishna Goswami Maharaj 🥺
I was also introduced to Krishna Consciousness by HG Vrindavan Chandra Prabhuji but later we decided to follow ISKCON as it's Sila Prabhupad's own organisation.
ISKCON is also based on traditional bonafine guru-shishya parampara.... It follows Gaudiya Madhava Sampradya guru parampara.
@@Ram-em3ot u mean to say ISKCON is not bonafied? We can't take diksha from there? A vaisnava thinks 1000 times before opening mouth so plz be a good vaisnava first. So many initiating gurus are their in iskcon and very Systematic and pure process of initiation they follow. 🙏 Hare Krishna
@@anshumankr7303 yes prabhuji, iskcon is not eligible to give Diksha to aryas of Bharat. I know what I am speaking, Iskcon does not follow the rules of vaishnavagamas. Follow vaishnavacharyas and vaishnavgamas for they are incarnation/expansion of lord himself. A foreigner, a parampraheen, one who has travelled out of india and many others can not give Diksha. It is advised to get a shrotriya Vaishnav guru, if not him then a sandhyopasak Vaishnav Arya can initiate you as Vaishnav and give nammantra (even he is not eligible to give other mantras and stotras).
Hare Krishna, jai Srila Prabhupada
Hare Krishna, you have changed your mind to leave BC but please beware of some so called' gurus' to take initiation. They can never take you to Goloka Vrindavan in this life time. Dozens of 'fake and fallen gurus who are still in their position after they are fallen down. One of them is Lokonath swami who molested a 11 years old girl in CA in 1981. That girl is 42 years old now and still going to therapist.... this is not a story, you can search in Google the details.
th-cam.com/video/V_K_IdPOrwk/w-d-xo.html
Hare Krishna Prabhu,
PAMHO, AGTSP.
My question is where the order that says Srila Prabhupad authorized them to become guru. On the May 28th 1977 conversation, you failed mention most important part at the bottom or forget to highlight, “When I order you become guru…”,
I have been going to iskcon temple since 1996 and have never seen this. Hope to hear from you.
Your Servant
Dandavat Pranam Prabhuji.... My mind was so unstable after hearing some of the ritvik argument videos. I had 2 sleepless nights after the harsh comments I heard. But my heart calmed down after listening to your explanations.
Bohot Bohot Dhanyawad for these videos.
Hare Krishna.. Please do check “Prabhupada’s Rtvik System As It Is (Hindi Subs)” by Nimai Nitai das. And get to know about the full reality of this system and then decide which is correct. Prabhuji is trying to hide many points in the video and skipping the main points told by Srila Prabhupada.
Actually ritviks are doing Vaisnava Aparadha against Srila Prabhupada. As per him, Srila Prabhupada was not qualified to even make one pure devotee who could be a diksha guru. As per SB and Gita, a pure devotee can make many other pure devotees as well, but since as according to you Prabhupada was not able to do it, so prabhupada himself was not a pure devotee.
Prabhupada NEVER said that after he leave, none of his disciples can give diksha.
But we are 100% sure that Srila Prabhupada is very pleased with the current ISKCON gurus and his disciples, for their work, efforts and dedication to follow, practice and preach KC.
They can never give diksha against the desire of Prabhupada, as they are totally surrendered to Prabhupada. They clearly specify at the time of initiation that they are only a medium to connect their disciples to Srila Prabhupada and Guru Parampara. They might be conditioned in beginning of their spiritual journey (1970s), but now many of them are pure devotees.
Srila Prabhupada still regularly keep in touch with his sincere and dedicated disciples. Many of them are pure devotees. This I have come to realise by closely interacting with their brahmachari and grihastha disciples.
Many of the current ISKCON sanyasi gurus have mystic powers (this I know after closely associating with the disciples of HH Radhanath Swami Maharaj, Late HH Gopala Krishna Goswami Maharaj, HH Jaya Pataka Maharaj, HH Radha Govinda Swami Maharaj, HH Giriraj Maharaj, Late HH Bhakti Tirtha Maharaj and HH Indradyumna Swami Maharaj. I am closely associating with their brahmachari and grihastha disciples since last 6 years).
And SB explains ‘Mystic powers automatically comes to the pure devotees without any personal endeavour’.
@@shaileshdholaria5612 Haribol Prabhu
Yse you are right ✅@@rts9797
Amazing explanation pr ji.
May mahaprabhu grant you pure devotion.
Wow i didnt expect goosebumps just by your praising of Jay Pataka Swami Gurumaharaj.
Everyone i am saying truth really.
Love from Bangladesh. Hare Krishna
Dadvat pranam prabhu and Thank you very much ,we needed this kind of clear cut answers Hare Krishna! All glories to Srila Prabhupad!!
HARE KRISHNA
PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!!
(1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977
(2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon
(3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru.
I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
Thank you Prabhu for making things clear.❤
Hare Krishna
Hare Krishna Prabhu
PAMHO
AGTSP
Prabhu, It was an educative presentation. Well done to present your thoughts and opinion, I wish to present you the Prabhupada UNINTERPRETTED version of the reality by bringing all the facts in front of you and the audience and Gaudiya Followers. Prabhu, with all due respect I wish to present concept by concept of your video presentation. If you wish to clarify kindly note that you can personally mail me for a pleasing discussion.
To all the viewers, Ishvara Gauranga Das prabhuji has very aptly told that we should not fight on social media which slackkens the faith of a new devotee of ISKCON. My ernest request is to open a podcast and invite both the parties and try to figure-out the issue instead of making a one-sided video and please the converted audience We should act as Prabhupada told us "Cooperation among devotees is a necessity, not an option." (Letter to Kirtanananda, 21 December 1971)
5:28 > Prabhu, this version is a watered-down version of showcasing what happend in ISKCON @ 1980s and next 4 Decades. To know more about this
a. Detailed Analysis of ISKCON-GBC Resolution on this Issue : th-cam.com/video/CC25KAPkkT4/w-d-xo.html
b. Read HDG Srila Prabhupada on "Why Gaudiya Math Failed?" : theharekrishnamovement.org/2011/04/21/iskcons-decline-after-srila-prabhupadas-departure/
c. Hear ISKCON Bangalore struggle in this regard: th-cam.com/video/cg99MPE8nnQ/w-d-xo.html
6:53 > ISKCON GBC always found it always uncomfortable to discuss this topic internally or publically all these decades. But unavoidably they conducted Ritvik debate 1990s footage. Kindy go through you can easily know who is winning the Argument.
P1 : th-cam.com/video/kXTW_zkCEw0/w-d-xo.html
P2 : th-cam.com/video/xKO_i_EySUc/w-d-xo.html
Hear about the devotees fate discussing this topic then: th-cam.com/video/0etTk84hhaU/w-d-xo.html
8:10 , 8:52 , 9:48, 12:00 , 14:17 >
Prabhu, This is a crutial point where the whole argument is watered-down to win the favor of few.
To all viewers : Kindly know that MAY 28th, 1977 conversation and July 9th,1977 Conversation are TWINS they can never be seperated. As July 9th letter starts with "Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "ritvik
- representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations"
Prabhupada is informing "HENCEFORTH" as 11 will act as RITVIK when PRABHUPADA is NO LONGER PHYSICALLY PRESENT there is NO CONFUSION when we read in this context :
May 28th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770528mevrn/
July 9th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/letters/letter-to-all-gbc-all-temple-presidents/
July 19th, 1977 : "continue to become ṛttvik and act on my charge." vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770719r1vrn/
I would like to bring to your notice about May 28th, 1977 conversation that Prabhupada told "When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it."
that means there was no one order.
14:51 , 18:12 , 23:12 >
Prabhupada always hoped that his disciple become qualified for become DIKSHA GURU from 1966 to 1977. But below are decisive interview snippets with Prabhupada's Plan on LAW OF DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION.
Interview 1 : June 4th, 1976 : th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
Interview 2 : June 10th, 1976 : th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
Amar Ajna Guru Hai means in Prabhupadas own words as "Shiksha Guru" on May 30 1976 Honolulu: surl.li/gxinu
18:24 > Guru, Sadhu and Shastra Point
Prabhu, below are the list of Madhwa, Srivishnava Dignitaries who have not only acknowledged rather have also said this is the same system achayras in their Sampradaya instated:
Madhava Scholar :
Vidyavachaspati Bannanje Govindacharya : www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/966455-interview-with-sri-bannanje-govindacharya/
Sri Vaishnava Scholar :
Sri Sri Rangapriya Swami Desikachar : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2653
Prof. Tatachar , Academy of Sanskrit Research, Melkote : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2655
There is no mention of Sanyas diksha for Mlechhas, but Prabhupada accepted them as Sanyassis for preaching that anyone can be a Vaishnava.
Prabhu, Note that this, Gaudiya Matha failed and thier failed leaders have in 1980s and 1990s influence is now impacting ISKCON worldwide.Kindly read what Srila Prabhupada has told about following Gaudiya Math and Hs own Godbrothers: krishna.org/srila-prabhupada-speaks-about-his-gaudiya-math-godbrothers/
22:14 , 26:35 > Prabhu, Brahma, Siva and other pure devotee fall down is a very offensive statement. It is against the whole parampara system itself.
SB 7.7.14 : "Therefore one is strictly forbidden to think that the ācārya is an ordinary human being (guruṣu nara-matiḥ)" > prabhupadabooks.com/sb/7/7/14
Similar instance happened with one Scholar devotee named Nitai Das in 1976 and SP banned him from ISKCON for this kind of offensive statement stating "that Nitai has become a venomous serpent. Be careful of him"
srilaprabhupadalila.org/read/SPT258
24:39 , 26:35 , 29:38 > Prabhu, You mentioned without research that HDG BSST didnot open tell that HDG Srila Prabupada is the next acharya is also not so great argument. Kindly read this Letter to Rupanuga -- Tirupati 28 April, 1974
"self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected"
vaniquotes.org/wiki/Self_effulgent_acarya_would_be_automatically_selected
Be curious within your limit : www.prabhupadaconnect.com/Dont-Go-Very-Speedily.html
25:24 >
Prabhu, Yes Prabhupada selected only 11 ritviks but in the same May 28th conversation later authorised to increase or change the number of ritviks at necessary times. But as a the whole Commission committed blunder as accepted later by
HH Tamal Krishna Goswami : th-cam.com/video/u2R39HsAXrU/w-d-xo.html
HG Hamsaduta Swami : harekrsna.org/prabhupada-never-authorized-us-to-be-gurus-hansadutta-1993/
The most intelligent acharya had setup DIRECTIVE-OF-MANAGEMENT of the smooth running of the Movement and this is :
Read this DoM Document: prabhupadabooks.com/dom
Read the will of Srila Prabhupada: prabhupadabooks.com/will and note
a. GBC is "ultimate managing authority" not "ultimate Spiritual authority"
b. "a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is MY INITIATED DISCIPLE"
30:45 > Prabhu, I genunily think that if follow original Parampara as presented by Srila Prabhupada directly we will be more mature.
And with regards to infecting new people I agree both the parties have to be very sensitive. Just like ISKCON Bangalore dont outright preach this rather they focus on Philosophy but they reveal it ony when right time comes or when asked for. Sometimes due to influnce of Rasa-Shastra as presented by senior devotees of ISKCON Group neopyte dont learn the the foundational topics from SRILA PRABHUPADA hence later behave sentimentally humble and ecstatic. This has to be rectified ASAP for the welfare of all the devotees in general.
Ecstatic Dance like this can be avoided : th-cam.com/users/shortskQqrSF9YIrU?feature=share
34:13 > Yes Vaishnav Aparadh has to be curbed immediately.
th-cam.com/video/cKuvYy5MrNM/w-d-xo.html
a. Why did famous "Jadurani", "Yamuna" Mathaji leave ISKCON? What happend to "Sulocha Das"? Was justice brought to b. little Vaishnavas who were abused in Gurukulas? etc
c. Why people in ISKCON keep canvas about "MY Guru Maharaj" why not Srila Prabhupada?
d. HH JPS Maharaj ordered his discples to file a criminal case against HG MPP, is this a Vaishnav Aparadha as it is a Character assasination of a devotee who became an overnight criminal from being a pet Disciple?
e. Why the financial reports on Guru dakshina is not published? Where is the money going? Why are dieties wearing plastic garlands?
Prabhu, Kindly note that these are not only my questions. There are many questions which is difficult get answer for. Hope you dont delete this comment like the previous one.
More 30 years Un-Biased analysis by Ameyatma Das(ACBSP) : th-cam.com/play/PL9OOuzY2ZCr-oxLRbIpRB6aiF8JP-clJE.html
Hare Krishna.
Your Servant.
Thank you for Copy pasting my comments! Atleast this exist! where as they have deleted my comments!
Thank prabhuji for standing against the allegations on isckon.... Supporting your answers logically...
Srila Prabhupada ki jai... Anant koti Vaishnav bhakta vrnda ki jai
Sri narsimha prahalada ki jai!🙏🙏🙏
It was not just an allegation, rather a fact...These peoples murdered their founder acharya by poisoning.
@@Meenakshi-Sharma Hare Krishna Mataji. The Prabhupada Poison theory was debunked decades ago. Why now you are saying this?Actually ritvik system is based on misinterpretion of 9th July letter. I think u are also connected with those people. My humble request to you, please go through iskcon devotees also, u can question them and can clear your doubts. Making Srila prabhupada one's gurumaharaj doesn't mean that he is a follower of prabhupada or he is pleasing Srila prabhupada.
@@Vaishnvadasanudasa what about tamal Krishna maharaj confession in pyramid room conversation
Thoroughly researched and devotionally delivered 🙏🙏
This was very very much informative... Thankyou so much for this video prabhuji😇🙏🏻 i was so confused regarding ritvikvad system. This video helped me alot..Hare krishna! Haribol! 💫
th-cam.com/video/V_K_IdPOrwk/w-d-xo.html
HARE KRISHNA
PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!!
(1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977
(2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon
(3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru.
I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
@@rahulchandila7589The ritvik philosophy was not based on the scriptures, but merely on supposition and interpretation of a few of Srila Prabhupada’s last statements.
@@biren5445 Hare Krishna prabhu ji I also used to think like that before knowing that Prabhupada has started this process ( initiation on his behalf ) in 1972 not in the last few months. In last Srila Prabhupada gave this process a formal structure which is proved by 9 july 1977 letter
@@rahulchandila7589 I had been ritvik for 8 years. This is just dry philosophy without any support.
If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement!
Why would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing?
Why? Why? Why?
Any sane person should accept this fact that there is no such proof!
The July 9th letter doesn't say that this ritvik initiation system would go on for 10,000 years.
Hare Krishna Prabhu, PAMHO, AGTSP
As you left Ritvik and joined ISKCON, on the other had I left ISKCON and joined Ritvik. It is only and only by the blessings of Srila Prabhupada that it happened with me.
Thank you for sharing your point of views and evidence which you think proves that ISKCON is right and Ritviks are wrong. Prabhu are you sure the research you did is full proof and really convincing? If yes, then why is it that you didn’t show even 1 conversation where Srila Prabhupada mentioned that he will always be Diksha Guru? Repeatedly in your video you are saying it is not clear that Srila Prabhupada said his disciples cannot accept disciples after his disappearance, so where is it mentioned they should definitely accept disciples? It was definitely Srila Prabhupada’s desire that his disciples should become pure devotees but he was also very well aware that they were no during his presence. What is the harm in accepting Srila Prabhupada as Diksha Guru even after his disappearance? He is not limited to his physical body. Why not read his books as it is, why to make so many changes? Srila Prabhupada never instructed all these things.
Please understand, Srila Prabhupada is not an ordinary guru, he is a Maha Bhagavat and to become his disciple is also not an ordinary thing. He trained his disciples so he was very well aware that they are not fit for becoming Diksha Gurus so he appointed 11 as ritviks, isn’t it stated in July 9th directive that they will be ritviks? If you cannot understand usage of “henceforth” to be taken as Srila Prabhupada being Diksha Guru of ISKCON always even after his disappearance so, how can you understand that it means he will not be after his disappearance? You said knowledge should be based on Guru Sadhu Shastra, so in shastras it is clearly given that who can qualify as Diksha Guru, Srila Prabhupada also spoke extensively about the character of guru, sadhus also speak about the same. Can I please humbly request you to give me 1 name in ISKCON worldwide who can match Srila Prabhupada and fit to become a Diksha Guru? Guru Parampara is most definitely broken in ISKCON the day unqualified and self-proclaimed gurus took over.
Why you didn’t mention the instance of Tamal Krishna Maharaj who had accepted that he made a mistake by becoming guru and Srila Prabhupada never instructed that? He was closest to Srila Prabhupada and wrote July 9th directive. How can he make such a big statement? Recently Amogh Lila Prabhu accepted some mistakes ISKCON made, please refer to video th-cam.com/video/020IS-nPdv4/w-d-xo.html
Why not mention conversations Srila Prabhupada made with his disciples to not repeat the mistakes his god brothers made in Gaudiya Math by becoming gurus after HG Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakur Maharaj left his body?
If you really want people to know entire truth then why not interview HG Madhu Pandit Prabhu, Chairperson ISKCON Bangalore or other authorities who fought the battle for Ritvik system instructed by Srila Prabhupada and put it in your channel and let audience decide what is right and wrong? Why to give only your view point and mislead audiences?
Hare Krishna
🙏
Same here, I moved from this camp to Iskcon Bangalore 🙏. I can see huge difference
Hare Krishna... i was almost joining ISKCON but prudence prevailed in the form of HIS mercy & i turned path to being a Ritwik..
SP says If got married to a girl whom i liked then I would not taken sanayas . ( Now here you can doubt SP also bze he was attracted towards a girl at his young age)
Hari Bol... prabhuji this vedio will help many for sure...Hare Krishna...Jai Srila Prabhupada....Jai Gurudev
Hare Krishna prabhuji 🙇🙏
The way you clear things is commendable 🙏
I bow down at your lotus feet who not only clear the things but give us a lot of lessons through just sorting out things 💌
I literally got goosebumps while watching this video ....
I pray to Shree RadhaMadhav to bless all with more intelligence so that we get the right direction in the path of devotion 🙏
And in the future if controversy happens, then like prabhuji many more pure devotees come ahead and give us the right direction
Please accept my humble obeisances onto your lotus feet prabhuji 🙇🙇
First of all you say that there is no indication in July 9th letter about it's continuation after Prabhupada's departure but I think you didn't read it's first line. "Recently when the GBC members were with His Divine Grace", it's referring to the May 28th conversation. Just read the May 28th conversation you will understand everything. Prabhupada was asked that "initiations in the future specifically when you are no longer with us" so it clearly means after Prabhupada's departure how initiations will be conducted, then to make it short Prabhupada said that he is going to appoint officiating acharyas ie. Ritwik. You can see all this in the May 28th conversation. So it was very clear that Prabhupada wanted ritwik system after his departure. And even at the end Prabhupada clearly said that only when he says "You become Guru", then one will become regular Guru. So it is very clear from above that 1. After his departure Prabhupada wanted ritwik system to continue and 2. If someone has to become Guru then Prabhupada should order. Also I saw that you are comparing it with other Sampradayas, there is no point in doing that, if Prabhupada is authorising something then that becomes bonafide, that way you should also compare 16 rounds chanting, which Sampradayas do you find this, none right? Why do you follow then?? Because Prabhupada has authorised, right?? Same is with ritwik system!!
Also if you still doubt that the Guru need not be ordered by his Guru, then you may go and refer to Prabhupada's lecture in Nairobi on 28th October 1975, where Prabhupada clearly said "A guru can become Guru when he is ordered by his Guru". Also in that Prabhupada clearly said that he had been ordered by His Guru.
Also finally there is the will of Prabhupada where Prabhupada has mentioned that the managing director should be "my initiated disciple". So this is possible only if the ritwik system continues. Just two days before Prabhupada changing this point Jayatirtha read and it was "an initiated disciple" but Prabhupada changed it to my initiated disciple. This clearly shows that Prabhupada wanted the ritwik system to continue, otherwise if all the disciples of Prabhupada who have been initiated by Him till 1977, would leave their bodies, then nobody can become managing director, because nobody would be Prabhupada's initiated disciple, so for that to happen ritwik system should continue.
Still if you have any doubt on ritwik system, watch this series:
th-cam.com/play/PLQGHF3mp1o789PKRgjtfAK9mW7irlqbVe.html
SP gave many personal instruction to his disciples to become Spritual master and make disciples all over the world.
Hare Krishna Prabhu
PAMHO
AGTSP
Prabhu, It was an educative presentation. Well done to present your thoughts and opinion, I wish to present you the Prabhupada UNINTERPRETTED version of the reality by bringing all the facts in front of you and the audience and Gaudiya Followers. Prabhu, with all due respect I wish to present concept by concept of your video presentation. If you wish to clarify kindly note that you can personally mail me for a pleasing discussion.
To all the viewers, Ishvara Gauranga Das prabhuji has very aptly told that we should not fight on social media which slackkens the faith of a new devotee of ISKCON. My ernest request is to open a podcast and invite both the parties and try to figure-out the issue instead of making a one-sided video and please the converted audience We should act as Prabhupada told us "Cooperation among devotees is a necessity, not an option." (Letter to Kirtanananda, 21 December 1971)
5:28 > Prabhu, this version is a watered-down version of showcasing what happend in ISKCON @ 1980s and next 4 Decades. To know more about this
a. Detailed Analysis of ISKCON-GBC Resolution on this Issue : th-cam.com/video/CC25KAPkkT4/w-d-xo.html
b. Read HDG Srila Prabhupada on "Why Gaudiya Math Failed?" : theharekrishnamovement.org/2011/04/21/iskcons-decline-after-srila-prabhupadas-departure/
c. Hear ISKCON Bangalore struggle in this regard: th-cam.com/video/cg99MPE8nnQ/w-d-xo.html
6:53 > ISKCON GBC always found it always uncomfortable to discuss this topic internally or publically all these decades. But unavoidably they conducted Ritvik debate 1990s footage. Kindy go through you can easily know who is winning the Argument.
P1 : th-cam.com/video/kXTW_zkCEw0/w-d-xo.html
P2 : th-cam.com/video/xKO_i_EySUc/w-d-xo.html
Hear about the devotees fate discussing this topic then: th-cam.com/video/0etTk84hhaU/w-d-xo.html
8:10 , 8:52 , 9:48, 12:00 , 14:17 >
Prabhu, This is a crutial point where the whole argument is watered-down to win the favor of few.
To all viewers : Kindly know that MAY 28th, 1977 conversation and July 9th,1977 Conversation are TWINS they can never be seperated. As July 9th letter starts with "Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "ritvik
- representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations"
Prabhupada is informing "HENCEFORTH" as 11 will act as RITVIK when PRABHUPADA is NO LONGER PHYSICALLY PRESENT there is NO CONFUSION when we read in this context :
May 28th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770528mevrn/
July 9th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/letters/letter-to-all-gbc-all-temple-presidents/
July 19th, 1977 : "continue to become ṛttvik and act on my charge." vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770719r1vrn/
I would like to bring to your notice about May 28th, 1977 conversation that Prabhupada told "When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it."
that means there was no one order.
14:51 , 18:12 , 23:12 >
Prabhupada always hoped that his disciple become qualified for become DIKSHA GURU from 1966 to 1977. But below are decisive interview snippets with Prabhupada's Plan on LAW OF DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION.
Interview 1 : June 4th, 1976 : th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
Interview 2 : June 10th, 1976 : th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
Amar Ajna Guru Hai means in Prabhupadas own words as "Shiksha Guru" on May 30 1976 Honolulu: surl.li/gxinu
18:24 > Guru, Sadhu and Shastra Point
Prabhu, below are the list of Madhwa, Srivishnava Dignitaries who have not only acknowledged rather have also said this is the same system achayras in their Sampradaya instated:
Madhava Scholar :
Vidyavachaspati Bannanje Govindacharya : www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/966455-interview-with-sri-bannanje-govindacharya/
Sri Vaishnava Scholar :
Sri Sri Rangapriya Swami Desikachar : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2653
Prof. Tatachar , Academy of Sanskrit Research, Melkote : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2655
There is no mention of Sanyas diksha for Mlechhas, but Prabhupada accepted them as Sanyassis for preaching that anyone can be a Vaishnava.
Prabhu, Note that this, Gaudiya Matha failed and thier failed leaders have in 1980s and 1990s influence is now impacting ISKCON worldwide.Kindly read what Srila Prabhupada has told about following Gaudiya Math and Hs own Godbrothers: krishna.org/srila-prabhupada-speaks-about-his-gaudiya-math-godbrothers/
22:14 , 26:35 > Prabhu, Brahma, Siva and other pure devotee fall down is a very offensive statement. It is against the whole parampara system itself.
SB 7.7.14 : "Therefore one is strictly forbidden to think that the ācārya is an ordinary human being (guruṣu nara-matiḥ)" > prabhupadabooks.com/sb/7/7/14
Similar instance happened with one Scholar devotee named Nitai Das in 1976 and SP banned him from ISKCON for this kind of offensive statement stating "that Nitai has become a venomous serpent. Be careful of him"
srilaprabhupadalila.org/read/SPT258
24:39 , 26:35 , 29:38 > Prabhu, You mentioned without research that HDG BSST didnot open tell that HDG Srila Prabupada is the next acharya is also not so great argument. Kindly read this Letter to Rupanuga -- Tirupati 28 April, 1974
"self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected"
vaniquotes.org/wiki/Self_effulgent_acarya_would_be_automatically_selected
Be curious within your limit : www.prabhupadaconnect.com/Dont-Go-Very-Speedily.html
25:24 >
Prabhu, Yes Prabhupada selected only 11 ritviks but in the same May 28th conversation later authorised to increase or change the number of ritviks at necessary times. But as a the whole Commission committed blunder as accepted later by
HH Tamal Krishna Goswami : th-cam.com/video/u2R39HsAXrU/w-d-xo.html
HG Hamsaduta Swami : harekrsna.org/prabhupada-never-authorized-us-to-be-gurus-hansadutta-1993/
The most intelligent acharya had setup DIRECTIVE-OF-MANAGEMENT of the smooth running of the Movement and this is :
Read this DoM Document: prabhupadabooks.com/dom
Read the will of Srila Prabhupada: prabhupadabooks.com/will and note
a. GBC is "ultimate managing authority" not "ultimate Spiritual authority"
b. "a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is MY INITIATED DISCIPLE"
30:45 > Prabhu, I genunily think that if follow original Parampara as presented by Srila Prabhupada directly we will be more mature.
And with regards to infecting new people I agree both the parties have to be very sensitive. Just like ISKCON Bangalore dont outright preach this rather they focus on Philosophy but they reveal it ony when right time comes or when asked for. Sometimes due to influnce of Rasa-Shastra as presented by senior devotees of ISKCON Group neopyte dont learn the the foundational topics from SRILA PRABHUPADA hence later behave sentimentally humble and ecstatic. This has to be rectified ASAP for the welfare of all the devotees in general.
Ecstatic Dance like this can be avoided : th-cam.com/users/shortskQqrSF9YIrU?feature=share
34:13 > Yes Vaishnav Aparadh has to be curbed immediately.
th-cam.com/video/cKuvYy5MrNM/w-d-xo.html
a. Why did famous "Jadurani", "Yamuna" Mathaji leave ISKCON? What happend to "Sulocha Das"? Was justice brought to b. little Vaishnavas who were abused in Gurukulas? etc
c. Why people in ISKCON keep canvas about "MY Guru Maharaj" why not Srila Prabhupada?
d. HH JPS Maharaj ordered his discples to file a criminal case against HG MPP, is this a Vaishnav Aparadha as it is a Character assasination of a devotee who became an overnight criminal from being a pet Disciple?
e. Why the financial reports on Guru dakshina is not published? Where is the money going? Why are dieties wearing plastic garlands?
Prabhu, Kindly note that these are not only my questions. There are many questions which is difficult get answer for. Hope you dont delete this comment like the previous one.
More 30 years Un-Biased analysis by Ameyatma Das(ACBSP) : th-cam.com/play/PL9OOuzY2ZCr-oxLRbIpRB6aiF8JP-clJE.html
Hare Krishna.
Your Servant
I left ISKCON and joined Ritvik (Prabhupada Real ISKCON) Hare Krishna movement.
And I believe, when one read all the past incidents and order of Srila Prabhupada, how he introduced ritvik, one will start following Prabhupada original teachings, Ritvik.
Hare Krishna Jay Srila Prabhupada
Jai Srila Prabhupada ❤️🙌
😂😂 you’re talking exactly as Muslims talk about Hadis and Quran.
Hare Krishna prabhuji 🙏🙏 panchang pranam 🙏 Congratulations for 100k devotee family 🎉🎉
Hare Krishna 🌹🙏🙏
@@rekhamayekar8730 hare Krishna 🙏 mata ji 💞
Very sensible handling of an important topic... thank you very much prabhu...
Hare Krishna prabuji
I am from ISKCON .
I am also very much confused about ISKCON and ISKM.
But now it's pretty clear.
Thank you for making this vedio.
Hare Krishna
th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
HARE KRISHNA
PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!!
(1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977
(2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon
(3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru.
I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
Since I wanna to connect to ISKCON but not able to do so because of Academic Study and low interest of Parents and in the meantime I got to know about this issue which compelled me to take a step back see all organizations with Third Person Perspective (TPP) and that was the time when I was addicted to Shorts and Reels but due to following ISKCON and ISKM and many other content creators and other monks I observed that ISKCON rarely addresses any issue or other which is not a good thing but if it addresses then addresses with great calmness and humility and also state their contribution to our society such as Acharya Prashant, Sadhguru and others. On the Other hand, there was so much emphasis was given on the issue by GIVE GITA and Banglore and ISKM and in between also a short of ISKM got viral regarding criticising Sadhguru and that was very heartbreaking for me because I never hoped to see such video of any ISKCON devotee then I started to gather many videos on this topic from both sides and last video I saw for this is by ISKCON India Scholars Board and that was very convincing and today after seeing this video all the doubs flew away.
And this is the best video with all docs. attached and with such a humble tone and you gave it a good amount of time and explained every possible loophole.
Thank you prabhu ji
Hare Krishna
Harriii boooooll!! ❤
youtube.com/@KrishnaBandhu
@@swetha4082 Well Iam joined in and regularly attending their Sharnagati Series😇 and not attending NOI 😟.
Well Thank you
Hare Krishna Mataji! 🙏
@@prakharpriyanshu hariiibol!!!prabhuji please attend tomorrow's session❤❤🙏🙏
Koi baat nhi pravuji ap hare krishna mahamanta ka chanting kariye baki sab Krishna ke upar chhod dijiye ।
Ek na ek din Krishna apka aur apka family ka problems ko hata denge ।😇🙏♥️
Whatever it be
Both are under the shelter of srila prabhupada
There are some conflicts between us but we should respect each other
Chant and be happy ❤
Yes Prabhu, we should not fight. We should follow Prabhupada instructions as it is.
Hare Krishna.. Thank you so much Prabhuji for making this video.. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Beautifully explained. Thank you Prabhu. Hare Krishna 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Hare Kṛṣṇa Prabhujii 🙏🏻
Dandavat Pranams 🙇🏻♂️🙌🏻
A very very Kṛṣṇa Councious Congratulations for 100k Devotees Family...🎉🌟❤️
Hari Bol😍
A very much thanks for making this video telling the truth and presenting the Real Philosophy what Prabhupada gave...🌺🙏🏻
@@livepositionaltrader Hare Kṛṣṇa 🙏🏻
th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980*
Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja:
The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna
spoke.
Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed
eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have
done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
प्रभु जी आपको सुनने के बाद तो रित्विक व्यवस्था पर मेरा विश्वास और भी अधिक दृढ़ हो गया है क्योंकि जैसा आपने बताया कि प्रभुपाद ने शरीर त्यागने से पूर्व 11 रित्विक अप्वॉइंट किए थे इसका मतलब है कि उन्होंने रित्विक व्यवस्था को अपने शरीर त्यागने से पूर्व ही अप्रूवल दे दिया था। श्रील प्रभुपाद ने आप के मुख से ही सच बुलवा दिया😊 और जिस व्यवस्था पर इसकाॅन चल रहा है उस व्यवस्था के विषय में प्रभुपाद ने शरीर त्यागने से पूर्व कोई भी प्लानिंग क्यों नहीं की? आप ने यह कहा कि अन्य आचार्यों ने रित्विक व्यवस्था का खंडन किया है कि यह शास्त्रों के अनुकूल नहीं है फिर श्रील प्रभुपाद ने शरीर रहते शास्त्रों के विपरीत व्यवस्था चला दी आपके कहने का अर्थ यही है!?!
जय श्रील प्रभुपाद 🙌
हरे कृष्णा माता जी, इस तरह की logical बातें करना इस कमेन्ट सेक्शन मे वर्जित हैं, कृपया sentimental बातें ही पोस्ट करे अन्यथा किसी guruvadi Prabhu के sentiments हर्ट हो जाएंगे |
@@bhanupratap-lg1yk 😄😄
but unhone jo guru parampara ka reference diya hai us kyu aap ignore kr rhe ho🙏🏻
Nimisha ranjan mataji ....if your going with ritvik waad then where are those 11 ritvik ....those to whom you are following they are how to be appointed to give initiation...is that Srila Prabhupada asked them to do so sorry ....mataji you need to be very rational and analysing that how arrogancy reflected in rithvik waad people...🙏Hare Krishna 🙏
@@gkgvishwambharmohandas4008 श्री वृंदावन चंद्र दास जी की और भी कई वीडियोस रिलीज हुई हैं, जिनमें की रित्विक व्यवस्था के विषय में बहुत ही तर्कपूर्ण तरीके से समझाया गया है। आप कृपया करके इन वीडियोस को देखें ।अब कहीं भी कोई डाउट नहीं रह गया है कि प्रभुपाद ने रित्विक व्यवस्था ही सेट की थी इसके अलावा दूसरी और कोई व्यवस्था नहीं है। आंखों पर से पर्दा हटाइए सच सामने आ जाएगा।
Thanks you so much for bringing this forward with humility.
HARE KRISHNA
PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!!
(1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977
(2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon
(3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru.
I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
🙏🙏हरे कृष्णा प्रभु जी दंडवत प्रणाम🙏🙏
Harii boll🙇🙇i could feel the pain in your voice in the end about people hurting vaishnavas.
Your voice itself is representative of how great ISKCON is, how great our Acharyas are.
Thank you so much prabhuji. Please bless us with this kind of bhakti and attitude towards other vaishnavas.
Hare Krishna.
Dandwat pranam.
Yas,
Sumedha.
th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980*
Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja:
The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna
spoke.
Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed
eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have
done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
Who is taking responsibility for taking a disciple back to Godhead in ISKCON ?
a) xyz Maharaj
b) Srila Prabhupada
Please choose option "a" or "b"
Guru parampara .. not by single person alone.. we are getting connected to guru parampara not alone to Maharaj's or SP alone.
@@kishanphadke3831
As per Gaudiya Vaishnava siddhanta, the person who gives diksha takes responsibility for taking his disciples back to Godhead. When Srila Prabhupada was physically present in this planet, when he gave diksha and also said "I take responsibility for taking you back to Godhead" Clear, unequivocal, no-doubt statement by Srila Prabhupada. Are the gurus today in ISKCON making such a statement?
The question to you is at 25:02
@@mukundamadhavadasa8471yes
Thank you prabhuji. This video will save life of many deviated devotees.
Hari Bol
Hare Krishna
hare krishna prabhuji,
You can use below eye-opening videos for research.
I am not from Akshay patra iskcon banglore or give gita or ISKM. I am a prabhupada devotee.
HH bhakti charu swami clarification on ritvikism.
th-cam.com/video/wFUJjrtEwwY/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/QatUU7XLxco/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/_WVcjM_MxSU/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
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Muslim reading all these comments, hindus reading this, they will never come into devotion after knowing all this 😂😂 you ppl are fools.....in future all will be demons, fight and die with each other...prabhupad left, evetything shattered
@gaurange1087okey !! But m telling the fact !! You ppl are giving topics to muslim, they know nothing about weakness of iskcon, now they will try to divide us.... Iskcon ppl have tried to bomb and kill our Iskcon Bangalore President MPP PRABHUJI, so many times, even many muslim know this, and taunt prabhupad mission and his devotees..... But we are not like that, we have never tried to kill any devotee....
Hare Krishn prabhuji Dandwat pranam😢🙇♀🌸🌼🙌you r very humble prabhuji🙇♀🌸🌼🙌
Thanku so much prabhuji you explained it very well to us🙇♀🌸
Prabhuji Thanku so much to save many people from vaishnav aparadh🙇♀🌸
Hare Krishna Prabhuji I already little bit know about Ritvik but now I am crystal clear. I am connected with ISKCON.
Ritvik system was made by the Supreme Lord also🙏🏻
Check #Mahabharata 🙏🏻
32:41 onwards changed my life thank you so much for the inspiration. 🙏 All glories to HDG Srila Prabhupada, all glories to Srila Guru Maharaj.
Hare Krishna prabhuji. Awesome video prabhuji.. Great that you switched.. Respect for you has grown manyfold 🙏🏻🙏🏻
HARE KRISHNA
PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!!
(1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977
(2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon
(3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru.
I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980*
Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja:
The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna
spoke.
Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed
eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have
done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
What a mind blowing video.. amaizing prabhuji... all glories to Srila Prabhupada, all glories to Sril Prabhupada's disciples...all Glories to ISKCON.. Nitai Gaur Sitanath Premanande Haribol...Hare Krishna 🙏🙏🙏📿📿📿📿😇😇😇🙇♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️💛💛💛
HARE KRISHNA
PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!!
(1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977
(2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon
(3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru.
I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
Hare Krishna prji, nailed it !!! Such a clear presentation. Hard to imagine the impact, this video will have, on many bewildered soul, for times to come....
Prabhuji you explained very nicely and lastly glories of such great vaishnavas you told...
Prabhuji please make a video on all these great vaishnavas glorifying them...we want there glorification which will make us pure...
Thanks alot prabhuji
Hare krishna
Yes, I also want to do it.. let's see how time permits me
Well explained with humility and logic... Thanks a lot!
Hare Krishna prabhuji , dandavat pranam , very thoughtful presentation, the way you spoke and made us understand each and every aspect with letters of srila Prabhupada was very convincing!!!!
I really needed this kind of information for my spiritual journey!!!!
And your videos are very inspiring, in 1 or 3 mins video you talk about amazing pastimes , lessons for sadhakas and you cover almost everything in those 2 mins!!!!
Thankyou so much
Hare Krishna dandavat pranam
HARE KRISHNA
PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!!
(1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977
(2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon
(3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru.
I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
@@rahulchandila7589yeah that's it when one of the ritvik devotee already cleared they all have miss used the position of ritvik to a GURU so why arguments hence MPP statement is cleared
Thank you Prabhuji for your nice explanation about the topic..👍🏽👌
Thank you very much for such clear presentation of our philosophy. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories to Sri guru and Gauranga
HARE KRISHNA
PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!!
(1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977
(2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon
(3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru.
I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980*
Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja:
The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna
spoke.
Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed
eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have
done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
th-cam.com/video/Z-fPZJ2UlTQ/w-d-xo.html
You're brilliant... you've cleared all the doubts.. Thank you so much PAMHO
Hare Krishna prabhuji, very well explained. I totally agree with you that we should try not to commit Vaishnav Apradh and one should follow whatever sampraday one wishes to.
hare krishna prabhuji,
You can use below eye-opening videos for research.
I am not from Akshay patra iskcon banglore or give gita or ISKM. I am a prabhupada devotee.
HH bhakti charu swami clarification on ritvikism.
th-cam.com/video/wFUJjrtEwwY/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/QatUU7XLxco/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/_WVcjM_MxSU/w-d-xo.html
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980*
Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja:
The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna
spoke.
Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed
eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have
done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
Thank You so much to clear things. Hare Krishna
Your presentation is out of this world.❤
Now Prabhupada will be very happy to your this amazing service prabhu ji.
Hare Krishna. 😮😮
#ISKCON
HARE KRISHNA
PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!!
(1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977
(2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon
(3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru.
I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
@@rahulchandila7589 Hare Krishna prabhu ji.
In this video prabhu ji clearly show what is truth, and as a matter of fact that Prabhupada never appointed any one as diksha guru, that's not true Prabhupada make HH gaur govind swami Maharaj as diksha guru,
When Prabhupada went to bhubaneswar there Prabhupada spend 16 days, in between those days there are more topics can be discussed, but among all topic, Prabhupada himself tell that gaur govind swami now you are preching so you need to except disciple so that preaching can be smoothly continue.
As a matter of etiquette he except disciple after shrila Prabhupada departure.
Well you might think it was just made by iskcon followers but is that every one is wrong and you are only person who is right, if there in iskcon people are not devoted to lord and Prabhupada & his teachings.
It can be collapse, but now you can see iskcon is flourishing across the globe. And we welcome you to please come into the shelter of our HDG AC Bhakti Vedanta swami shrila Prabhupada movment.
Hare Krishna
All glories to srila Prabhupada 💐🙏❤🙇
@@HQ286 can you show me any letter , conversation where prabhupada made gaur govind swami diksha guru.
actually there is no any proof that prabhupada made anyone diksha guru
@@rahulchandila7589 there was top most senior devotees.they told to everyone not that Maharaj is telling that i want to be diksha guru there was more than 8 to 11 people and simelerly Prabhupada wants that every one should become guru hence first be eligible for that,
And prabhu ji as a matter of proof and facts prabhu ji represent very nicely you can watch full video frame by frame, we never criticize like you ritvik iskm people are doing, in scripture there are clearly say that ritvik are those who help to master not to be the master, if this was the process so you can even take initiation from srila bhakti siddhant swami Maharaj, spritual master of Prabhupada in this way you can imitate Prabhupada to, forget about everything just take initiation form krsna, why not
Scripture are saying if you have any confusion go to
1 - guru
2 _ sastara ( scripture)
3 - sadhu
Prabhupada don't know you guys have done such terrible things. If he knows he never appointed ritvik. But after leaving
His transcendental body his pure disciples can continue very well, cause of this iskcon is growing.
You want proof watch this video properly 🙏
Hare Krishna
Hare Krishna prabhuji 🙏 Prichar to karna hai 🙏
I am not from iskcon and ritvik but iskcon is right hare Krishna
If ISKCON is right then in this video this man is saying that like the ISKCON guru's Lord Brahma & Lord Shiva also fell down....This is what told by this person in this video. Do you really think that whatever he told is correct ??
Shrila prabhupaad ji ki geeta me likha hai k ek din pravati mata sir pakad k baithi thi phir shivji k man me unke liye kaam ki iccha jagrat hui kya mtlb hai? K shiv ji k andr kaam vasna aa gyi, Thoda sochna chahiye kaam krodh lobh moh kaise ho skta hai kisi bhi bhagwaan me, Iska jawab nhi de payege ye log, Shiv ji aur baaki devi dewta ko itna neeche kyu btaya gya hai
Prabhuji you have explained it very well with calmness and politely. I find calmness and politeness in other iskcon devotees also. It is too appreciating the way you have described it. Hare Krishna
Congratulations for 100K prabhuji
May you soon complete 108M.❤❤
Hare Bol प्रभुजी आपकी video से नये भक्तो के प्रश्न का उत्तर मिल रहा है (आपकी ईस video से स्पष्ट रूपसे और बहोत ही अच्छे तरीके से समझ आ रहा है, मै भाग्यशाली हु जो मेरी पुरी फॅमिली काफी टाईम से iskcon से जुडे है 🙏Hare krishna 🙏
Make a counter part video
On HG Vrindavan Chandra Das ji
Again
Guruji has answered all your so called statements
You don't even know the reality of these evil ISKCON Gurus who poisioned Prabhupada...these iskcon GBC gurus go to parties , Kapil Sharma shows, meet aashish chanchlani ,. GBC which you know as orignal iskcon is and was a managing body, it was supposed to manage iskcon movemnt not to apoint gurus and people and give them names..by following this guru system Prabhupadas deciples will no longer be here.. Prabhupada himself said in his letters one who will follow GBC will surely go to hell so follow the ritvik system , he said this in the July letter if 1977 . Please do some research before commenting such stupid stuff. These gurus do not follow Prabhupada's will. Isliye aankhe band karke andh bhakt banke mat follw Karo GBC iskcon ko.
@@MyGitaAshraya what and who is guruji?
He is none just the biggest blasphemer.
hare krishna prabhu ji you are 100% wright thanks for this connclusion
Already people don't want to do bhakti, after trying so much thing, few people are coming as a result of a lot of preaching, but here is so much division. New people will be confused about where to go.
Thank you very much for making it clear .
Hare Krishna
Proof that letter of 9th July was for After departures of Srila Prabhupada...
(a passage taken from his(Yasodanandan prabhu) diary as written on July 10 1977 )
Tamal Krishna Maharaja comes out of Prabhupada’s room.
TKG: “Haribol, Yasoda, did you see this?”
Yasoda: “No, what is it?”
TKG: “This is signed by Prabhupada.”
[Yasoda looks at the July 9th “appointment” letter]
Yasoda: “What does all this mean?”
TKG: “Devotees have been writing to Prabhupada asking for initiations and now Prabhupada has named eleven ritviks who can initiate on his behalf. Prabhupada said others can be added.”
Yasodanandan: “And when Prabhupada departs?”
TKG: “They’ll be ritviks. That’s what Prabhupada said. It’s all on tape.”
Hare Krishna prabhuji. Dandawat pranam. Please tell me where it is mentioned that the ritvik list of 11 members can be expanded and the current ritvik priests are allowed by prabhupad ji to give initiation .
@@bhavanabansal1892 this conversation is taken from Diary of Yosadanandan Prabhuji deciple of srila prabhupada....and In conversation it is clearly add more can be add ...
@@Kavikarnpuradas5837 Hare krishna prabhuji. Where i can find this on internet ?
@@bhavanabansal1892 vrajvrindavan.com/srila-prabhupada-on-diksha/
🥰GIVE = REAL ISKCON 🙏
Jai Srila Prabhupada !!🌹🌹
Harii bol 🙌❤
Dont differentiate between iskcon and real iskcon... Like hindu muslim.
In the conversation document prabhupada clearly said that "you become guru when i order" you didn't mention that. Also, granddeciple word was used for ritikvad. Later in the same conversation prabhupada mentioned "devotees of my devotee" ... this two things were used in different contexts.
Hare krishna Prabhuji Dandavat Pranams. I have similar experience from Mangalore iskcon branch of Bangalore iskcon.
Ishwar Prabhu Please do not present half documents references and videos
Everyone watch the video of give gita presented full documents and videos of references
Please have a look on it
Hare Krishna Ishwar Gaurang Prabhuji this is so mature and Vaishnav way of dealing with such a sensitive topic.Your humility is flashing so brightly that this itself is proof about who is right.And yes this is our Internal family issue and you have not offended Ritviks but explained more clearly.this is proff of your maturity that as i heard many ritwiks outrightly critisize and offend non ritwiks openly without fear of Vaishnav aparadh.Riviks themselves are defeating them as they do not even know what is vaishnav apradh what to speak of know deeper aspects of philosophy....If child do not know ABCD and bluffs about Phd. topics its suh a joke...Hare Krishna may Lord bless you to take ISKCON ahead far and wide but with your ever growing Natural humility....Hare Krishna
Highly recommend very well explained
And your description increased our appreciation for Gopal krsna Maharaj and Jayapataka Maharaj.
Dandawat pranam prabhuji
Hare krsna
True arguments with proof, Prabhu ji
Here is the link of the video of final orders of prabhupada with clear voice and lyrics . In which prabhupada is clearing agreed on ritvik system when satsvarupa asks prabhupada - then our next question concerns initiation in the future , particularly when you’re no longer with us we want to know how first and second initiation would be counducted . Then prabhupada said … some of you act as officiating acharya then tamal krishna maharaj said - ritvik then srila prabupada said “yes Ritvik “ . Ab prabhu g aap batao agar unko yeh ritvik establish he nahi karna hota toh why prabhupada agreed on ritvik ? And second thing is you hide the last statements in your proof of final order where prabhupada is saying - when i order you to become guru then he becomes regular guru . And pls don’t get bewildered . If prabhuapada didn’t want ritvik then at that time he clearly rejects to ritvik and said to their disciples after me u can be guru. But prabhupada didn’t said this . If prabhupada said ritvik then we all must be agree on it .
Hare Krishna prabhuji. I totally agree with you on this. Can you pls throw some light on the statement " grand disciples " what prabhupad ji said...because it is little confusing and people are focusing on that word....pls help me with this prabhuji...thankyou.
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Hare Krishna mata g pls watch this video once .
आपने 100% सही कहा है प्रभुजी वो भी पूरे सबूत के साथ में
सबसे अच्छा ये लगा की आपने आपने कहा कि प्रभुपाद को ना छोड़े
जबकि ऋत्विक वाले बोलते हैं की प्रभुपाद को छोड़ के कही ओर से दीक्षा ले ले लेकिन इस्कॉन से न ले ये वैष्णव अपराध है
Prabhuji kaha se aapko ye sahi lag Raha h ........ Inhone ye to btaya hi nhi ki prabhupad ji ne kisi ko bhi dikhsha guru banne ka nhi bola h ...... Prabhupada ji ne ye kaha h ki 10,000 years tak bahi diksha guru rahenge .... Ye log is baat ko kyun nhi manne ko taiyaar h ..... Or aaj khud hi diksha guru banke baidhe h kyun nhi prabhupad ji ke full order ka palan kar hare
Aapse kisne kaha ki ritvik bale ..... Ye kahte h ki prabhupad ji ko chhod kr kisi or se diksha lo btaiye jara ?
भाई जिसे जाना था वो चला गया एक दिन सबको जाना है और कुछ भी साथ नहीं लेकर जाना।
रहीं बात साधक की, वो जिसे चाहे उसकी आज्ञा से उसे अपना गुरु बना सकता हैं।
आध्यात्मिक जीवन में अपने आप को आप जितना महत्व दोगे उतना ही आपका महत्व कम होता जायेगा ।
उतम यही होगा कि गुरु चुनने का निर्णय आप दोनों (रित्विक और इस्कोन) जो साधक जिसे दीक्षा स्वीकार करनी है उसी पर छोड़ दें।🙏
।। हरे कृष्ण राधे राधे।।
Thank you so much prabhuji for the crystal clear explanation!
HARE KRISHNA
PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!!
(1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977
(2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon
(3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru.
I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
Hare Krishna Prabhuji, I ask for your mercy and would like to apologise for all my words I said in the comments about the bias. It wasn't appropriate and required when i discovered the real truth. Senior devotees told me the complete truth about ritvik and other things which are being used to malign ISKCON. But you keep posting beautiful guidance videos. They are always helpful. Humble obeisances and extremely sorry for my comment. Hare Krishna 🙏
Congratulations for 100K devotees 🙏🏻🏵️
Hare Krishna 🙏🏻🏵️
Hare Krishn prabhuji Dandwat pranam🙇♀🌸🌼🙌
His divine grace bhaktivendata srila prabhupada Ji ki Jai🙇♀🌸🌼🙌
This was much needed video. Thanks a lot for bringing this.
Absolutely point on presentation.
Hare Krishna Prabhu ji,
Very wonderfully put together. Also, Prabhupada allowed Jaypataka Maharaj to initiate devotess.. while he was alive.
Thank you so much prji, my heartfelt thanks and respectful obeisance at your feet.
This video has saved so many souls from great offences.
Hare Krishna, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada, All glories to Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga.
Prabhu thank you 🙏
Ys,
Parakrami Partha Das
Hare Krishna Prabhuji ... You reference to GBC is incomplete... in the next few lines Srila Prabhupada says "Prabhupāda: When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it.". So my question to you is did he ever order that someone has become regular guru ?
💯 exactly
Very very matured, logical and balanced talk .......especially on Vaishnava aparadha !
Hari bol !!
Vaishnav Apradh ke liye vaishnav bhi to hona chaiye na 😂😂😂
@@krishnacharan9527 हा जरुर होना चाहिये !
शास्त्र कहता हैं की, जो भी व्यक्ती (कितना भी पतित क्यों न हो !!) सिर्फ एक बार श्रीभगवन विष्णू या श्रीराम या श्रीकृष्ण का नाम को उच्चारता हैं (चाहे हसीं मजाक या व्यंग से भी !!) उसे वैष्णव समझना चाहिये !
इसीलिये प.पू प्रभुपादजी भी हमेशा कहा करते थे की,
"NEVER BLAME A PERSON WHO IS STANDING BELOW THE SHOWER"
तो अब आप ही बताओ श्रीमान कृष्णचरण जी, की इस दुनियाँ में "वैष्णव" कितने होंगे ?!!😊
Hare Krishna! ISKCON Satyamedha, Satyakaam aur Satyasankalp Bhagwan ki pooja karwata hai bina Bonafide Diksha Guru k. ISKCON k anth ki Shuruwat ho chuki hai.
Prabhuji yeh to pahle prabhupad ko diksha guru ke pad se hatha chuke hai ye kya samjenge
@@hrishavgiri6621 Exactly Prabhuji.
Devotees of Krishna are compassionate, Praphupada was compassion never thing about someones anth but see dis
Hare Krishna Prabhu
Very nice to hear you. There is no much difference between ritwik system and other iskcon. Do your sadhana nicely. Pray to prabhupada and krishna. I'm not that much qualified and well knowledgeable person like you. I have not read prabhupada books like you by reading each and every line.But, i want to ask some questions to you.
Who can be guru?
What are his qualifications?
How can we recognise him?
How much you know about your guru?
Is he qualified enough to deliver you from this nescience of material world?
Are you in safe hands?
How much confidence and faith you have in your guru?
No need to answer all these questions for me. Just ask yourself, introspect and answer yourself. Answers will be revealed to you by Krishna and yourself. Surrendering to guru is very important in spiritual life. But, choosing perfect spiritual master is more important than accepting any guru.
If you know that your guru can deliver you from this material world, I'm happy for you. We don't know whether we will go back to godhead or take human life or other living entities form. Be cautious.
Yasya prasadad bhagavat prasado- without the mercy of guru, one cannot reach Krishna(God).
Guru is the direct representative of Krishna.
Know your guru before accepting anyone as a guru. You are telling living guru is needed after disappearance of prabhupada.
But , know that Vani (instructions by hearting) is more important than vapu(personal association). How many times did you associate with your spiritual master personally?
You are telling acharyas and devatas also fall down. Yes, sometimes they fell down. They alone fell down. No one should accept disciples if they are not qualified to deliver all the
Surrendered souls. After accepting so many disciples, if you fall down, that means you are incapable of delivering the surrendered souls and knowingly you are putting everyone in more dangerous situation. Becoming guru means taking responsibility of taking each and every disciple back to home, back to godhead. If they are not qualified enough to deliver disciples, it's a cheating to all their disciples. Prabhupada says
Guru can't go to goloka until he takes back all his disciples back to home, back to godhead.
Everyone is pure devotee. But, due to our various desires, we fell down and became degraded.
After disappearance of prabhupada, now 12 gurus are there, again they are increasing into more numbers. When i went to one of iskcon temple, one devotee asked me who is your Guru?
Many devotees may face this question so many times. I told prabhupada is my guru. Nobody in iskcon Bangalore and group of temples asks this question because prabhupada is our guru and we are all his disciples, just like one father, one family, nothing else.
You are telling devatas and many devotees fell down. Don't compare iskcon current gurus with previous acharyas. We are not that much qualified to compare them. Acharyas life is nothing else, but a play of Krishna for keeping the example to the world. Their life starts with arrival of Krishna in their normal life.
Guru is not just a normal teacher who teaches some subject and go. Sometimes, this normal school teacher may not know answer for some question. But, in spiritual life, spiritual master already know the final exam question(that is rememberance of the lord Krishna at the time of death), and he should make his disciples qualified to pass this final exam which decides your destination. If the spiritual master is not qualified to guide them properly, then what is the use of having such guru when he is not authorised person to be called as a guru.
I can assure 10000% or more(how much % you want) that if you accept prabhupada as your guru and follow his instructions, then definitely they will go back to godhead.
How much are you sure of your guru?
If you are sure that your guru can deliver you, then accept anyone as your guru. That's good. But, i always say we should choose the best one over better options. Prabhupada is the best. There is no doubt. You also know it. We are suggesting you the best path.We are not worried whether you are in ritwik system or other system. You are also chanting, we are also chanting. You are doing your sadhana nicely and we are also doing. The only difference is we have prabhupada be as our guru and you have so many gurus. You need another guru after the disappearance of current iskcon gurus. You will go on making gurus. People will get confused whom to accept as their guru. So many devotees may think that they may also become guru.We should be very cautiously practice Krishna consciousness.
Know yourself. Your life will not start until you know yourself.
Know your guru. Your spiritual life starts and guru will guide, set your Guri(the ultimate goal of life) and take you to Krishna.
Know Krishna: The ultimate goal of life
Sthane sthite Shruthi gatam- wherever you are, just go on hearing about Krishna. That will lead you to perfection.
I'm saying this not to offend anyone, but to give clarity and proper knowledge.
Forgive me even if i offended anyone by mistake also
Thank you so much
Chant and be happy
Hare Krishna Prabhu
You nailed it prabhu. I also went through all the proofs you showed but not able to compile it as you did it. I have debates defending Iskcon with same proofs you showed, whole life srila Prabhupada never talk about ritvik. I never think so much on gran disciple world. I realised it now. Thank you very much prabhuji for making this video. I will share it with my friends who got confused after hearing others view.
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980*
Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja:
The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna
spoke.
Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed
eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have
done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
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Hare Krishna pravuji.u have done a wonderful Job 2 sweep out my confusion.
Very useful information Prabhuji. Hari Bol. 🙏
HARE KRISHNA
PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!!
(1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977
(2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon
(3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru.
I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
I stopped listening to give gita channel months back and now i m focusing truly on bhakti
Lord Krishna Blessed You congratulations prabhuji 100k family ❤❤
🙏🙏वैष्णव अपराध से हमें बचकर रहना है🙏🙏
Hare Krishna... My humble submission for consideration. If there were falls in disciples after physical disappearance of Shrila Prabhupad, it indicates that disciples were not in pure devotional service and were not fit to be spiritual masters. In guru parampara system, generally only one successor is appointed and not many. If there are many appointments, it cannot be said to be in disciplic succession. When successors were not fit to be spiritual master, chain of disciplic succession is broken and therefore Ritvik system is the only alternative for continuing original principles.
Fall of disciples does not mean all disciples had fallen. Moreover just because someone is not on platform of pure devotional service does not also mean they will never be able to make to that platform. By going with that logic no one is qualified to become spiritual master like Sri Krsna Himself because any living entity how great he might be cannot equate with Krsna in terms of Omnipotence, omnipresence and Omniscience. Even Brahma ji had faced few problems but still he is acharya.