Considering purchasing a LS460 but subscribed out of appreciate for the work this man put into this video and the information he's giving all of us. I'm too busy cursing the engineers and manufacturers while working on my cars to even attempt a video. Excellent work sir!👍🏿
“More room for activities.” I see what you did there. LMAO. Great video. I have a 09 LS460 and this is a fantastic guide! Thank you so much! I liked and subscribed! Keep up the great content!
Nice brother Good work me same job I am toyota and lexus car repairs and spare parts available in oman 🇴🇲 today i replacement all bush Ls460 model 2008
It is quite common on vehicles with double wishbone suspension, that bushings go very fast. They bear a lot of load and are key to making that design handle well and ride comfortably. especially more so with a split upper control arms as used in this Lexus and many German designs. Also the components seem to be cast or forged aluminum, so they're strong enough that you can just tap your arms out of the sockets with a hammer which... Makes the job less stressful.
I agree, nothing rides or handles as nice as a double wishbone setup. I've heard the rx-8 has the best suspension (long travel double wishbone) on any car under $80,000 in the last 20 years. I wish there was an easy k-swap kit for the rx8.
Keep coming with the videos brother! So informative, thank you for everything! Got an LS46O 2009 myself and trying to fix errythang on this land yacht :) *subscribed
@@cunninghamgarage2074 because I have to do this upper lower arms and bushings along with tie rods and basically whole front suspension on my bosses 2009 Ls460L the dealer wants to charge him $14k for the job but I know it’s simple and nothing much to it. Did you do the work on it?
I picked up a blue 2020 Corolla hatchback with a 6-speed manual with 0 miles. For me it was definitely worth trading because I started a new job that was much further away from home
Appreciate the video upload. I'm looking to possibly purchase this model. For an amazingly built and complex vehicle, it's amazing that the bushings are so poorly constructed considering the weight of the car. Ravi Peiris M.D.
Great video, I hope I can find a press shop whenever my control arms go bad so I don't have to purchase the entire control arms to replace them. I looked at them last week and they're still functioning but I see a line in the rubber but it's not torn yet and I don't feel any play in it, but I done drove over 100,000 miles on them so not sure just how long they'll last me.
I did mine on my 08 LS460 L, the suspension is the only major issue I ever had, I bought mevotech parts from EBay and my mechanic charged me $500 for the entire job.
@@cunninghamgarage2074 i went through the samething with them lower ball joints he's not lying I had a lil buddy in the army do mine he say there were a pain to do thats why lexus sell them already pressed into the knuckle for $500 a piece
@@turnne i having this same problem on 2010 where this problem was supposed to be corrected around the model I have this is my 3rd time about to change them they lexus dealer says the lowers are best the get from the dealer the type of updated bushings thats they use in the last a while vs aftermarket an he wasn't lying the original had around 120k on them I've replaced them this will be the 4th time after I took the original ones off an the car only has 160k miles now so ill buy the bottoms from the dearer an the top ill have them pressed in
What are the symptoms that these bushings are in bad condition? my LS460 has 72,000 miles and has an annoying vibration going 70-88 MPH. It could not be corrected with wheel balance, new tires, and alignment, and the shock absorbers appear to be still in good condition. May i change these bushings?
Good video. Currently waiting for mechanic to do a replacement on my 2010 LS460. He said the arm needs a "pin"?? Sadly I'm stuck. I have no idea what else to do.
Thanks for the great video. I am about to replace front bushing for upper and lower arms. I wonder if what is your Lexus LS460 is RWD or AWD if there is any different.
www.amazon.com/dp/B0771W2S72?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share I got them off of Amazon but you would have to look up and see which set would work for the AWD the one I have was RWD so the bushings are different. Hope this helps a little thanks for watching the video
I've heard that the aftermarket bushings only last a year or so. And the $4,000 quoted from the dealer is not for the bushings but a whole new control arm
Nice video. Do you a video showing the removal of the ball joint at the bottom of the spindle. If I’m correct I think that’s the one on the left if you are looking at the drivers side.
I don't have a video of me actually removing the ball joint that was probably the hardest part of the whole car I would really not recommend doing it yourself
Sorry for the novice question, but can you get the bushings in a heavier duty material so they last longer? And if you did would that mess with the ride quality?
how did you remove both lower control arms from the steering knuckle? (i.e., on one arm - separating it from the lower ball joint; on the other, remove its ball joint from the spindle)
It took me a long time to separate the lower control arm from the spindle I used a bunch of different tools I ended up using what they call a pickle fork and just beat the crap out of it LOL but I had to replace my ball joint after that because I damaged it
@@cunninghamgarage2074 Really appreciate your posting this video and showing how to tackle this challenging task. After couple hours lying and staring at the lower control arm (LCA) #1 and #2 and trying out different ball joint pullers. None of them would fit. I started reviewing the service guide which uses the special service tool SST: 09960-20010 which is outrageously priced on ebay. I found www.jbtools.com/mueller-kueps-609033-ball-joint-separator/ which should handle LCA#1. Once this is removed, LCA#2 can be separated with smile.amazon.com/dp/B000I16OTM/?coliid=I1QM6YYKQ6QZ6P&colid=2D5L43X1SMIWI&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im
Any tips on getting the castle nut off? I have one that won't budge. I've tried pb blaster and bc they are stripped some I most recently tried a 17mm extractor and it won't grab it. Any tips would be awesome.
@@cunninghamgarage2074 thanks for the reply! Definitely don't want to damage it. Lexus just replaced them on warranty but said my suspension reinforcement bracket was bent so needed a new and that was not covered. It's leaning to one side and they said that why. I can replace the brackets and pre load but can't get this damn thing off lol I'll try cutting it I guess
Got it off without damaging anything! Replaced the bracket thought I pre loaded it right but I have a slight lean on the opposite side. Did I pre load wrong? Any suggestions?
After completing the job. Would you recommend pressing out/in new bushings, or simply buying new arms? If you recommend bushings...Do you recommend a particular brand of bushing? Are there quality differences?
It pretty much comes down to how much work you want to put into it changing the bushings out themselves is kind of a pain in the ass but it's cheap just the bushings are around $80 to $100. But if you buy the whole control arm it could be two three or four hundred dollars but it will be easier to install
@@cunninghamgarage2074 yeah it wasn't too bad. Little harder to get started straight than a press is but I didn't have access to a press. I think I'm going to buy a harbor freight one next time.
Coilovers would be the way to go for that car but unfortunately I have sold the car and bought a brand new one. I will be making a video of the new car this weekend keep an eye out
2007 to 2010 I would not buy from what I've been told they fixed all the suspension and engine problems by then. Mine was burning about a quart of oil every 300 miles
@@cunninghamgarage2074 k thanks ill get it to a shop cause they only been on the car not even 2 weeks ill take it in and ask them if they re torque them with the weight on the wheels.
Man, that's way too much for me to take on. I just got my '12 LS460 last Sunday, and of course it needed something, like any used car. The front rotors were seized, and it took 2 hours to get the 1st one off. Mallets and hammers don't work. I'm not sure if the WD-40 even made a difference, but I eventually grew a brain and remembered I had a crowbar I had purchased to replace front LCA bushings on my IS250. That did the trick. But these LCAs on this car? No way I can do all that. I'm sure to screw up something. Any chance you're near GA, and could do this on the side?
@@cunninghamgarage2074 I'm fine buying the stuff, it's just the ridiculous labor charges. My car has 107K miles on it, so I guess it will soon need these bushings. What do you think is a reasonable labor charge to replace the bushings?
I honestly don't know what it would Cost as far as labor But if you can find new control arms with bushings in it it would not be that bad to change Yourself it just sucked changing the bushing's out
So basically thank the Maker I told my mom not to buy that low miles 2013 LS 460 she looked at last year and instead go for the low miles 2010 ES 350. A much safer buy! And she loves it. It’s a fantastic car, far more reliable and less expensive to maintain. What I would like to know is what year did Lexus finally fix this problem in the LS 460? I read conflicting information. Some say 2012. Some say 2013. Some say never.
2010 this was no longer an issue. My best friend has a 2017 ES - he says my 2012 LS is WAY Better. The LS is the flagship - not many other cars compare.
There's quite a few things you need to look for 1 check all the front bushings 2 see if it has a slight Miss because they do Burn oil and also check the interior for melting or sticky dashboard, center console, glove box and door panels that was all a recall from Lexus but they will no longer honor that recall. From what I've looked up and been told the 2010 and up pretty much has these issues solved
@@cunninghamgarage2074 ouch... this is starting to sound like Lexus is closing the gap with Benz money pits that leaks oil from undersized elastomeric seals sensitive to heat + oil acidity + 5yr time threshold.
My 2008 LS460 was a nightmare. I had the delayed hesitation when accelerated. The transmission had the 2-3 gear jerk. My brake actuators went bad, along with the control arm bushings. Worst car I've ever owned, and I once owned a Yugo as a teenager.
My bushings went bad around 125,000 miles I don't know about other people but on my 07 I had the mark Levinson subwoofer go out and each door panel if it's hot outside it's sticky and feels like it's melting it's a known problem with those cars and the car does burn oil quite a bit it's the main problem I had with the car I would put a quart in every 3 weeks
@@cunninghamgarage2074 that's bs. And they say how reliable lexus is. 😏. No way u should have major repairs at 120k. I have the hybrid. The hybrid batteries die at about 120k too. That's a $6,000 repair. I was looking at getting the 460. Now i know better.
@@nellatl I've got a 2012 LS that I've had for 5 years (bought used). No ball joint issues nor burning oil at all. 138K miles and I'll have it another 100K at least. The problems you're seeing here are 2007-2009. Late model 2010 and newer do not appear to have these issues.
@@nellatl Well there are no TSBs or recalls for any of the years regarding premature bushing failure. That said, almost all of the bushing problems on the LS occur in the 07-09 genre that you'll find on clublexus. Virtually every LS that has had those issues had less than 125K miles judging from the sample on clublexus and other boards. It would appear that Toyota changed suppliers for the bushings at some point - likely 2010. But a simple lookup on the boards shows that everything I said is corroborated as does this video - and since I own an LS, probably a more authoritative opinion too.
I didn't own the car for very much longer after the video I traded it in on a new car but the car ended up with a woman in an apartment complex across the road from my home and she loves the car and says it's been great since then
I know it doesn't matter anymore - however, for anyone reading this, you can save yourself a whole bunch of trouble and just get the entire front suspension "kit" with everything you need for $350.00. No bushing pressing, no muss no fuss. It should also embarrass the stealership that they charge $4K for the job. If your non-stealership mechanic charges $100/hr for 8 hours (no idea how long it would take a pro - I'm guessing 4 hours), then you're looking at $750-1150 all in. Here's what I found: smile.amazon.com/dp/B07S2FFH5G/ref=au_as_r?_encoding=UTF8&Make=Lexus%7C75&Model=LS460%7C5862&Year=2012%7C2012&ie=UTF8&vehicleId=4&vehicleType=automotive btw, my LS is a 2012 with 138K miles and I don't have this problem. It was apparently fixed with the 2010 model year and up.
It's pretty cheap to maintain except for the bushings and ball joints, and if you get an older model like mine was. it does burn quite a bit of oil so if you don't keep an eye on that you will need an engine which is expensive
OMG I had an '07 LS460 and it is probably the worst one to get. Those fkn bushes were the bane of my existence and Lexus would only change the entire control arm instead of replacing the bushes. Here in South Africa is very hard to find alternative parts or parts suppliers so you HAVE to go to Lexus. I couldn't deal with that anymore and I got rid of it. Advice for anyone, if you want this body shape, get the latest year model you can find or get the facelift model instead but do not get an '07! Trust me! It s not worth it to have such an awesome car.
@@joshmoore6165 getting a cheap luxury car is a bad idea if you can’t afford the prices of luxury car parts. But do what you want to, go for it. You will love it till the parts bills come
@@cunninghamgarage2074 ok, thank you I’ve been watching your channel, I just bought a LS myself and I love watching diy mechanics type channels. I have subbed and hit the like button as well.
If you look through the comments there is someone who posted the actual tools to use for this ball joint the tools are a little expensive but it's designed for it the stuff I used is not recommended
$4000 to change the bushing???? Not sure what I am missing but on Rockauto you could find the whole control arm with bushing and ball joint from the cheapest - $14 to the most expensive - $102
i'm on my third set of bushings...aftermarket control arms lasted less than year....the OEM which is ridiculously expensive can go 50k...be prepared to either learn how to do this yourself or pay through the ars to the dealer for this if you plan to keep the car for any length of time
According to the a user on the ClubLexus forum you can by the later model (improved design) control arm and it integrates just fine. “2007-2009 (and 2010-2011) Lexus LS460 RWD CAN upgrade to the revised 2012-2017 control arms. Lexus does NOT advertise this. Maybe they just want you to buy a newer car?”
Did this comment make you feel all smart and superior? An actual smart person would have noticed that he is sniffling and probably has a congested nose which makes "P' sounds come out like "B" sounds.
Sounds like you never owed a Mercedes, because we didn't complain about how much we know what ever the price is we can afford it you see we have the money that's what make the Mecedes so special to keep broke ass like you away.
rubber bushings will last long time if bushings are tightened up when car sits on its wheels. pu bushings wont last a long time on uppers control arms, they have way too much movement.
You jumper those sensors - no one needs them. I had my mechanic do this for me 5 years ago when I bought my LS. Problem solved. I'd do this to any car that has break wear sensors. It's a "technology" in search of a problem.
Lexus wants what, $3000 to replace a bushing or bushings in a control arm? How on earth can a car company expect someone to spend that kind of cabbage for something like that? Kinda makes me wonder why original Toyota/Lexus parts are so darned expensive. Granted, most people say to stick with original equipment parts from Toyota because they're superior but DAMN!
To me it all seems like a bad design from Lexus. The amount of stress being put into those bushes for the amount of rubber between the outer radius of the center tube and the inner radius of the outer sleeve, considering the rubber is vulcanized bonded between the two parts. The arm is going up and down with suspension movement and at the same time doing movements at 90 degrees to the suspension with the steering movement. Its a wonder they don't fail after about an hour of driving. I suppose its designed that way so it seems like the tire is turning on a vertical line running through the center of the tire so you can have a nice circular wheel arch so the side on view of the car looks nice. Where as a proper solid wishbone design seems like the tire turning pivot would be away from the tire , so the wheel arch is more oval to accommodate the arc movement of the tire steering movement and not so nice looking on the side view of the car like is older brother Lexus LS 430 .
Thinking about getting a 460 and this helped with my anxiety about the control arms. Thank you man
Excellent video! I own 2008 LX 460 and really appreciate all the detailed information to replace the front bushings.
Not many vids like this on ls 460 repairs being done! This is a good one.
Thank you
Professor!!! The simplicity of explanation, caveats, Keep it Simple Sailor was perfect for this Naval Officer. You, Sir, inspire confidence!
Considering purchasing a LS460 but subscribed out of appreciate for the work this man put into this video and the information he's giving all of us. I'm too busy cursing the engineers and manufacturers while working on my cars to even attempt a video. Excellent work sir!👍🏿
“More room for activities.” I see what you did there. LMAO. Great video. I have a 09 LS460 and this is a fantastic guide! Thank you so much! I liked and subscribed! Keep up the great content!
Thank you
Wow. This is a really big DIY job. There is no way I can or have the equipment to do this. However, thanks for sharing. It is interesting to watch
thank you for your effort sharing your experience man .
Sooo much help!!! Thank you so much keep up the informative videos 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍👌🤞🤞
Thank you don't forget to subscribe
Well done! Getting caught up on my videos. Stay safe n healthy. GB
Nice brother Good work me same job I am toyota and lexus car repairs and spare parts available in oman 🇴🇲 today i replacement all bush Ls460 model 2008
It is quite common on vehicles with double wishbone suspension, that bushings go very fast. They bear a lot of load and are key to making that design handle well and ride comfortably. especially more so with a split upper control arms as used in this Lexus and many German designs. Also the components seem to be cast or forged aluminum, so they're strong enough that you can just tap your arms out of the sockets with a hammer which... Makes the job less stressful.
I agree, nothing rides or handles as nice as a double wishbone setup. I've heard the rx-8 has the best suspension (long travel double wishbone) on any car under $80,000 in the last 20 years. I wish there was an easy k-swap kit for the rx8.
Keep coming with the videos brother! So informative, thank you for everything! Got an LS46O 2009 myself and trying to fix errythang on this land yacht :) *subscribed
How did it turn out so far? Did you get around to doing ?
The car rode great with a new bushings but I ended up trading it in for a new car
@@cunninghamgarage2074 what did you end up trading it for and was it worth the grad e
@@cunninghamgarage2074 because I have to do this upper lower arms and bushings along with tie rods and basically whole front suspension on my bosses 2009 Ls460L the dealer wants to charge him $14k for the job but I know it’s simple and nothing much to it. Did you do the work on it?
I picked up a blue 2020 Corolla hatchback with a 6-speed manual with 0 miles. For me it was definitely worth trading because I started a new job that was much further away from home
Appreciate the video upload. I'm looking to possibly purchase this model. For an amazingly built and complex vehicle, it's amazing that the bushings are so poorly constructed considering the weight of the car.
Ravi Peiris M.D.
Bro thank you for the video! It helps a lot 👍🏻
Fantastic work thanks
Great video, I hope I can find a press shop whenever my control arms go bad so I don't have to purchase the entire control arms to replace them. I looked at them last week and they're still functioning but I see a line in the rubber but it's not torn yet and I don't feel any play in it, but I done drove over 100,000 miles on them so not sure just how long they'll last me.
I did mine on my 08 LS460 L, the suspension is the only major issue I ever had, I bought mevotech parts from EBay and my mechanic charged me $500 for the entire job.
How did it turn out? I was wondering what parts options to go with after market or stock.
@@mechanicalintentions5431 it rides like new, that’s the only major thing I’ve had to do and a recent transmission flush.
Excellent video.
Great job.
when you say ball joint puller, is there a special ball joint extractor for the lexus?
Man I just got the dreaded $4k estimate for my LS600HL. This video is timely. I got to find someone to do this.
The bushings are not too bad the lower ball joints are very awful find someone to do those for you LOL
Where are you located?
@@cunninghamgarage2074 i went through the samething with them lower ball joints he's not lying I had a lil buddy in the army do mine he say there were a pain to do thats why lexus sell them already pressed into the knuckle for $500 a piece
Any reason to not use retaining compound when pressing in the new bushings?
Car Care Nut has good vids. I like my LS460 2010 but I think I got a bushing issue at 49,000 miles. My two 05 430s don’t break. Built better.
great video
I have a 2013 LS 460 F Sport and it’s shaking like a crap game, I knew this was common and was coming soon 😐 good video
@Allen 216
I thought this common issue was solved in the 2013 and forward models?
@@turnne Come on man control arms are gonna break down over time,smh..
@@mercedesbenzs600bash
Well....I think the pre 2013 models broke down much faster as they improved the design in later models
@@turnne Yeah your probably right about that,especially those brake actuators before 2013....
@@turnne i having this same problem on 2010 where this problem was supposed to be corrected around the model I have this is my 3rd time about to change them they lexus dealer says the lowers are best the get from the dealer the type of updated bushings thats they use in the last a while vs aftermarket an he wasn't lying the original had around 120k on them I've replaced them this will be the 4th time after I took the original ones off an the car only has 160k miles now so ill buy the bottoms from the dearer an the top ill have them pressed in
Where can you purchase the bushings alone? Are they genuine or aftermarket?
Excellent video! From where did you buy the replacement bushings?
What are the symptoms that these bushings are in bad condition? my LS460 has 72,000 miles and has an annoying vibration going 70-88 MPH. It could not be corrected with wheel balance, new tires, and alignment, and the shock absorbers appear to be still in good condition. May i change these bushings?
Good video. Currently waiting for mechanic to do a replacement on my 2010 LS460. He said the arm needs a "pin"?? Sadly I'm stuck. I have no idea what else to do.
Great video I have a ? now are these steps required to all cars you know I like watching these type of videos much love and stay safe
It's pretty much the same step for any car but if your not used to doing something like that it can be dangerous
hello. i was wondering if you could share with us if you replaced upper ball joints and if so where did you buy the ball joints ?
Thanks for the great video. I am about to replace front bushing for upper and lower arms. I wonder if what is your Lexus LS460 is RWD or AWD if there is any different.
Mine is a RWD I do think the AWD is different. At least a lower control arm should be.
@@cunninghamgarage2074 Thank you. I just wonder how to adjust the upper arms when you put them back.
Where did you find your bushings? I need the bushings for a 2010 ls460 awd. Lexus wants $300+ per side for the lower control arms.
www.amazon.com/dp/B0771W2S72?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I got them off of Amazon but you would have to look up and see which set would work for the AWD the one I have was RWD so the bushings are different. Hope this helps a little thanks for watching the video
I've heard that the aftermarket bushings only last a year or so. And the $4,000 quoted from the dealer is not for the bushings but a whole new control arm
How are they holding up?
Nice video. Do you a video showing the removal of the ball joint at the bottom of the spindle. If I’m correct I think that’s the one on the left if you are looking at the drivers side.
I don't have a video of me actually removing the ball joint that was probably the hardest part of the whole car I would really not recommend doing it yourself
Cunningham garage Thanks a lot. I appreciate your timely response.
Sorry for the novice question, but can you get the bushings in a heavier duty material so they last longer? And if you did would that mess with the ride quality?
Yes. There are a few manufacturers of polyurethane bushing kits for the LS460/600. I found one on eBay, bushings for the front for less than $200
How long did they last?
How bad is the ride quality if you replace that rubber POS with poly
how did you remove both lower control arms from the steering knuckle? (i.e., on one arm - separating it from the lower ball joint; on the other, remove its ball joint from the spindle)
It took me a long time to separate the lower control arm from the spindle I used a bunch of different tools I ended up using what they call a pickle fork and just beat the crap out of it LOL but I had to replace my ball joint after that because I damaged it
@@cunninghamgarage2074 Really appreciate your posting this video and showing how to tackle this challenging task. After couple hours lying and staring at the lower control arm (LCA) #1 and #2 and trying out different ball joint pullers. None of them would fit. I started reviewing the service guide which uses the special service tool SST: 09960-20010 which is outrageously priced on ebay.
I found www.jbtools.com/mueller-kueps-609033-ball-joint-separator/ which should handle LCA#1. Once this is removed, LCA#2 can be separated with smile.amazon.com/dp/B000I16OTM/?coliid=I1QM6YYKQ6QZ6P&colid=2D5L43X1SMIWI&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im
Two ball joint upper ?
Where did you get your bushings?
Any tips on getting the castle nut off? I have one that won't budge. I've tried pb blaster and bc they are stripped some I most recently tried a 17mm extractor and it won't grab it. Any tips would be awesome.
If it's damage you're going to end up replacing the whole ball joint so you're either going to have to cut it off or maybe try a pipe wrench
@@cunninghamgarage2074 thanks for the reply! Definitely don't want to damage it. Lexus just replaced them on warranty but said my suspension reinforcement bracket was bent so needed a new and that was not covered. It's leaning to one side and they said that why. I can replace the brackets and pre load but can't get this damn thing off lol I'll try cutting it I guess
Got it off without damaging anything! Replaced the bracket thought I pre loaded it right but I have a slight lean on the opposite side. Did I pre load wrong? Any suggestions?
After completing the job. Would you recommend pressing out/in new bushings, or simply buying new arms?
If you recommend bushings...Do you recommend a particular brand of bushing? Are there quality differences?
It pretty much comes down to how much work you want to put into it changing the bushings out themselves is kind of a pain in the ass but it's cheap just the bushings are around $80 to $100. But if you buy the whole control arm it could be two three or four hundred dollars but it will be easier to install
Much appreciated !
The vid was very well done !
new arms come complete with bushings and balljoints so you can be sure you wont need to deal with it twice 😉
I used this socket method and a 10lb small sledgehammer and tapped old out and new in. I need to make a press
Did it work pretty good just using a hammer and a socket
@@cunninghamgarage2074 yeah it wasn't too bad. Little harder to get started straight than a press is but I didn't have access to a press. I think I'm going to buy a harbor freight one next time.
Where did you get the new bushings?
Check in the comments someone else asked that question I put a link to Amazon where I got them
Great video and valuable info, thanks. Have u considered putting on a full set of COILOVERS to lower it a bit? Your thought?
Coilovers would be the way to go for that car but unfortunately I have sold the car and bought a brand new one. I will be making a video of the new car this weekend keep an eye out
@@cunninghamgarage2074 would you suggest buying this model of the LS line. How reliable
2007 to 2010 I would not buy from what I've been told they fixed all the suspension and engine problems by then. Mine was burning about a quart of oil every 300 miles
Hi I just had bottom control arms replaced on my 2010 lexus ls460, do you have to preload the bottom arms as well or do you just preload the tops.
I'm not 100% sure but I think you do the upper and lower
@@cunninghamgarage2074 ok, so you did preload them on the 07 ls460 you replaced them on.
I did on my car just to make sure
@@cunninghamgarage2074 k thanks ill get it to a shop cause they only been on the car not even 2 weeks ill take it in and ask them if they re torque them with the weight on the wheels.
Great video, Where you using a quick jack to lift the vehicle? Which model?
I have the 5000 pound lift and the car is a 2007 Lexus LS460L
Think it could hold the ls600hl
They make a 7000 pound one I would get that
Would the same parts fit a ls600hl?
I'm not sure if it will fit both cars sorry
What brand of rotors are those?
For some reason I can't post a link on here but I got them on eBay for $85 and they work really well
Where did and what type of bushings did you buy? Thanks
I got them from Amazon here's the listing.
www.amazon.com/dp/B0771W2S72?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Thank you so much
Where does one purchase the bushings?
There is a link in the description of the video to the bushings
Where did you get the new bushings sir, are they OEM? Good Job!
They are not OEM I got them off Amazon you can check through the comments someone else asked me about it and I put a link to the parts
Cunningham garage Thanks! Genius idea which saves a lot of money!
Yes it does
How do u remove lower control arm that goes towards the rear of the vehicle
The lower control arm that goes towards the front of the car on mine I did not remove because the bushing was still good
Can you make a video on changing the brake actuators????
It doesn't`t exist. As I understand. It's a dealership item. $ 3,000
@@joshmoore6165 OK thanks...
Man, that's way too much for me to take on. I just got my '12 LS460 last Sunday, and of course it needed something, like any used car. The front rotors were seized, and it took 2 hours to get the 1st one off. Mallets and hammers don't work. I'm not sure if the WD-40 even made a difference, but I eventually grew a brain and remembered I had a crowbar I had purchased to replace front LCA bushings on my IS250. That did the trick. But these LCAs on this car? No way I can do all that. I'm sure to screw up something. Any chance you're near GA, and could do this on the side?
I'm in Tennessee But I have been told you can get complete control arms with new bushings in it on rock auto for cheap
@@cunninghamgarage2074 I'm fine buying the stuff, it's just the ridiculous labor charges. My car has 107K miles on it, so I guess it will soon need these bushings. What do you think is a reasonable labor charge to replace the bushings?
I honestly don't know what it would Cost as far as labor But if you can find new control arms with bushings in it it would not be that bad to change Yourself it just sucked changing the bushing's out
@@cunninghamgarage2074 Roger that. Thanks.
So basically thank the Maker I told my mom not to buy that low miles 2013 LS 460 she looked at last year and instead go for the low miles 2010 ES 350. A much safer buy! And she loves it. It’s a fantastic car, far more reliable and less expensive to maintain. What I would like to know is what year did Lexus finally fix this problem in the LS 460? I read conflicting information. Some say 2012. Some say 2013. Some say never.
I heard after 2010 but who really knows
2010 this was no longer an issue. My best friend has a 2017 ES - he says my 2012 LS is WAY Better. The LS is the flagship - not many other cars compare.
@@kingofbytes i have a 2011 rwd and it has this exact problem
Never
Do you have to remove the strut
Yes you need to remove it to access the upper control arms. And it gives you more room to reach everything else
What years LS460 are impacted with the premature wearing suspension?
From what I read online it's 2007 2008 and 2009 I think they said in 2010 they had the issue fixed but I'm not a 100% sure.
2007 all the way to 2017 they never really changed the design so all ls460s and ls600hl have this problem
They fixed it part way through the 2010 MY. Lexus Club has more info
Late 2010 is good. All prior to are bad on the bushings.
@@mattminteer1756 lexu
Perfect job, how many miles the LS460 takes to teardown the bushing like that?
My car had 130,000 miles
There's quite a few things you need to look for 1 check all the front bushings 2 see if it has a slight Miss because they do Burn oil and also check the interior for melting or sticky dashboard, center console, glove box and door panels that was all a recall from Lexus but they will no longer honor that recall. From what I've looked up and been told the 2010 and up pretty much has these issues solved
Look up oil consumption about the LS my car would drink about 1 quart of oil every 3 weeks if not more depending on my driving
@@cunninghamgarage2074 ouch... this is starting to sound like Lexus is closing the gap with Benz money pits that leaks oil from undersized elastomeric seals sensitive to heat + oil acidity + 5yr time threshold.
My 2008 LS460 was a nightmare. I had the delayed hesitation when accelerated. The transmission had the 2-3 gear jerk. My brake actuators went bad, along with the control arm bushings. Worst car I've ever owned, and I once owned a Yugo as a teenager.
My ls460 has had no issues but yea most of those are common problems.
I'm right there with you...beautiful car but for the price you pay for repairs you're better off getting a TREK or Schwinn
Why didn't you use the polyurethane?
I wonder around how much it would cost to have a regular mechanic shop do it?
I don't know, that is a good question 🤔
Just got a quote from Lexus for $5300 to replace upper and lower control arms on 2010 ls460. What a joke!
Same here
this is a $4000 video 👍
Thanks
👍🏼👍🏼
How many miles before it went bad and what other problems they have?
My bushings went bad around 125,000 miles I don't know about other people but on my 07 I had the mark Levinson subwoofer go out and each door panel if it's hot outside it's sticky and feels like it's melting it's a known problem with those cars and the car does burn oil quite a bit it's the main problem I had with the car I would put a quart in every 3 weeks
@@cunninghamgarage2074 that's bs. And they say how reliable lexus is. 😏. No way u should have major repairs at 120k. I have the hybrid. The hybrid batteries die at about 120k too. That's a $6,000 repair. I was looking at getting the 460. Now i know better.
@@nellatl I've got a 2012 LS that I've had for 5 years (bought used). No ball joint issues nor burning oil at all. 138K miles and I'll have it another 100K at least. The problems you're seeing here are 2007-2009. Late model 2010 and newer do not appear to have these issues.
@@kingofbytes not true. 138k not a lot of miles
@@nellatl Well there are no TSBs or recalls for any of the years regarding premature bushing failure. That said, almost all of the bushing problems on the LS occur in the 07-09 genre that you'll find on clublexus. Virtually every LS that has had those issues had less than 125K miles judging from the sample on clublexus and other boards. It would appear that Toyota changed suppliers for the bushings at some point - likely 2010.
But a simple lookup on the boards shows that everything I said is corroborated as does this video - and since I own an LS, probably a more authoritative opinion too.
I can't get my 2008 aligned, the control arms are bad. Will bad arms give me bad alignment
Yes bad control arms will destroy your alignment
How did these bushings last for you?
*long
I didn't own the car for very much longer after the video I traded it in on a new car but the car ended up with a woman in an apartment complex across the road from my home and she loves the car and says it's been great since then
I've read on other forums thay the aftermebushings only last about a year.
I am wondering about the length of lasting for the cheap bushings too. But I would also hate to spend $Lexus dollars on parts. Hmmm
what's your average MPG on this model?
The average I got was 24mpg but I had a Heavy foot sometimes.
Wow -- that's still very impressive MPG for the power you get! @@cunninghamgarage2074
I know it doesn't matter anymore - however, for anyone reading this, you can save yourself a whole bunch of trouble and just get the entire front suspension "kit" with everything you need for $350.00. No bushing pressing, no muss no fuss. It should also embarrass the stealership that they charge $4K for the job. If your non-stealership mechanic charges $100/hr for 8 hours (no idea how long it would take a pro - I'm guessing 4 hours), then you're looking at $750-1150 all in.
Here's what I found:
smile.amazon.com/dp/B07S2FFH5G/ref=au_as_r?_encoding=UTF8&Make=Lexus%7C75&Model=LS460%7C5862&Year=2012%7C2012&ie=UTF8&vehicleId=4&vehicleType=automotive
btw, my LS is a 2012 with 138K miles and I don't have this problem. It was apparently fixed with the 2010 model year and up.
No 11-13 is the best years nothing after and nothing before 10' give same problems
How expensive it is to maintain?
It's pretty cheap to maintain except for the bushings and ball joints, and if you get an older model like mine was. it does burn quite a bit of oil so if you don't keep an eye on that you will need an engine which is expensive
Cunningham garage thank you.
I’m back and forth between the ES 2019
Or 2014 LS 460. Any recommendations? Thank you again!
The big question is how much would you charge for this job?🤔
If I didn't have to do the ball joints it wouldn't be that bad but I have no idea what I would actually charge to do it
@@cunninghamgarage2074 Lexus charging me 14k for the front suspension
OMG I had an '07 LS460 and it is probably the worst one to get. Those fkn bushes were the bane of my existence and Lexus would only change the entire control arm instead of replacing the bushes. Here in South Africa is very hard to find alternative parts or parts suppliers so you HAVE to go to Lexus. I couldn't deal with that anymore and I got rid of it. Advice for anyone, if you want this body shape, get the latest year model you can find or get the facelift model instead but do not get an '07! Trust me! It s not worth it to have such an awesome car.
I'm looking at an 07 right now. Cheap too....
@@joshmoore6165 getting a cheap luxury car is a bad idea if you can’t afford the prices of luxury car parts. But do what you want to, go for it. You will love it till the parts bills come
@@joshmoore6165 I have an 07 ls460l with 155500 miles and never had a problem. All I did was change my air suspension to regular suspension.
@@rockflock4698 So you have the only LS460 on the planet with above par control arm bushings? Thats awesome
@@joshmoore6165 to be real i don't know if the person before me replaced them. I had the car for 4 years and no problems. "Yet"
This repair should be a recall. It happens to often
How many miles do you have on your LSU?
On your LS 460 at the time you did this? Thanks.
Right at 130,000 miles
@@cunninghamgarage2074 ok, thank you I’ve been watching your channel, I just bought a LS myself and I love watching diy mechanics type channels. I have subbed and hit the like button as well.
Thanks for watching I need to get back at it and start making some more videos
@@cunninghamgarage2074 one more question. Where did you buy the bushings.
You never did show how to get that lower control arm of that ball joint
If you look through the comments there is someone who posted the actual tools to use for this ball joint the tools are a little expensive but it's designed for it the stuff I used is not recommended
I bet you it doesn't have the DVD player in the rear
Why this car has like an octopus number of control arms damn it.
$4000 to change the bushing???? Not sure what I am missing but on Rockauto you could find the whole control arm with bushing and ball joint from the cheapest - $14 to the most expensive - $102
i'm on my third set of bushings...aftermarket control arms lasted less than year....the OEM which is ridiculously expensive can go 50k...be prepared to either learn how to do this yourself or pay through the ars to the dealer for this if you plan to keep the car for any length of time
According to the a user on the ClubLexus forum you can by the later model (improved design) control arm and it integrates just fine. “2007-2009 (and 2010-2011) Lexus LS460 RWD CAN upgrade to the revised 2012-2017 control arms. Lexus does NOT advertise this. Maybe they just want you to buy a newer car?”
$4000 for the upper control arm?! … they must price it based on a percentage of the car’s MSRP.
The castle nut is wide
@4:40 What's a brake ""caliber"?
Did this comment make you feel all smart and superior? An actual smart person would have noticed that he is sniffling and probably has a congested nose which makes "P' sounds come out like "B" sounds.
I just fixed mine in Dec 2022 it’s now June 2023 it’s already making noises
That is what I am worried about. You get the Amazon bushings?
I'm confused, did you say lexus not Mercedes? My daily driver is a 2000 S430 still rides like a dream, welcome to the top no one makes a perfect car.
The LEXUS is way less expensive as far as maintenance,and rarely does things go wrong unlike a BENZ....
Sounds like you never owed a Mercedes, because we didn't complain about how much we know what ever the price is we can afford it you see we have the money that's what make the Mecedes so special to keep broke ass like you away.
These parts you got wont last long. These are dirt cheap but you should have got polyurethane ones
rubber bushings will last long time if bushings are tightened up when car sits on its wheels. pu bushings wont last a long time on uppers control arms, they have way too much movement.
Dealer told me after an oil change just this past week that those electronic brake pad wear sensors are like $100 each. LOL
And that's why i got a new corolla hatchback lol
have a look at the part selection from rockauto dot com... they have many different suppliers with the different quality grades ✌️
Whats so bad about that price,try getting a BENZ or BMW and see that astronomical price....
You jumper those sensors - no one needs them. I had my mechanic do this for me 5 years ago when I bought my LS. Problem solved. I'd do this to any car that has break wear sensors. It's a "technology" in search of a problem.
@@kingofbytes Indeed!
how much wo uld u charge someone to do this work lol
I just would not do it again myself lol
Would you be interested in selling the jet ski scooter?
I honestly don't know how much I would sell it for LOL
Hard to follow. Please redo and point out exactly what you're referring to when "bushing is wiped out", or when removing or replacing a part.
It’s cheaper and quicker Just to buy new arms and better quality bushings, my time is important And money
lexus used
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It’s rubber!!! How the hell did Lexus screw up the rubber????!!!!!!
Lexus wants what, $3000 to replace a bushing or bushings in a control arm?
How on earth can a car company expect someone to spend that kind of cabbage for something like that? Kinda makes me wonder why original Toyota/Lexus parts are so darned expensive. Granted, most people say to stick with original equipment parts from Toyota because they're superior but DAMN!
To me it all seems like a bad design from Lexus. The amount of stress being put into those bushes for the amount of rubber between the outer radius of the center tube and the inner radius of the outer sleeve, considering the rubber is vulcanized bonded between the two parts. The arm is going up and down with suspension movement and at the same time doing movements at 90 degrees to the suspension with the steering movement. Its a wonder they don't fail after about an hour of driving.
I suppose its designed that way so it seems like the tire is turning on a vertical line running through the center of the tire so you can have a nice circular wheel arch so the side on view of the car looks nice. Where as a proper solid wishbone design seems like the tire turning pivot would be away from the tire , so the wheel arch is more oval to accommodate the arc movement of the tire steering movement and not so nice looking on the side view of the car like is older brother Lexus LS 430 .
These are not going to last beyond 10K miles...