The Sudarium of Oviedo w/Dr. Brian Janeway
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- We are pleased to offer this very special presentation by Dr. Brian Janeway on the Sudarium of Oviedo.
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Blessed are those who believe but haven't seen
AND MORE REWARDED ARE THOSE OF US WHO HAVE SEEN AND KNOW BEYOND DOUBT THAT JESUS LEFT US THIS SHROUD AND SUDARIUM.
Amen 🙏
Death is a horrible thing. Thank you Lord Jesus for saving us from it.
Blessed be the Lord, Yeshua, forever.
Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior 🤲✨🕊 Amen
Remarkable and deep analysis of the relic. Thank you so much for this!
Thank you so much for the in depth analysis! God bless you!
Thank you for the brilliant analysis of the facts surrounding this amazing relic. God Bless you for your time and effort to spread the message of this amazing cloth that touched our risen Lord and Savior!
The shroud is not authentic spear pierced on his right side lower down by his belly didn't die on cross truth will surface stop focusing on the shroud and receive the holy spirit of truth to show you the will of God truth hurts but sets you free
Thank you for the great on depth analysis! God bless you!
Great program! Very informative and important!
Glad it was helpful!
My understanding is that the blood stains are perfectly consistent with the crucifixion
AND IT IS AB+...
God Bless You
Very imformative. God bless you
It seems quite a coincidence that there is a great you tube video about the Holy Grail in Leon Spain. Now watching Sudarium of Oviedo. Two places in Spain not too far apart. Now watching further, a part of the Holy cross is at Monasterio de Santo Toribio de Lie’bana. Near Potes in the Picos de Europa. Quite a coincidence that the holy relics are in Northern Spain.
Excellent review of the sudarium...👍
Great presentation.
How Brilliant Dr Brian,
"Gloria in Excelsis DEO"
Was the journey from the crucifixion site to the holy Sepulchre ,45 mitres, where Christ was carried after the crucifixion,
Has there ever been DNA analysis of the blood on the Shroud and Sudarium to see if they match?
Very good presentation. I've read several books including Ian Wilson's on the Shroud, and Janice Bennett's on the Sudarium. I strongly recommend both. Mark Guscin's book is very rare and very costly if you can find one. May I suggest a video with Mark Guscin, where he actually 'demonstrates' how the Sudarium was used according to studies done; Search; Shroud Encounter-Mark Guscin Sudarium of Oviedo. Thank you.
Where can I see your shroud talk?
Two people had to carry Jesus. The tradition says it was Nicodemas and Joseph of Aramithea. Joseph had the cloth.
The Sudarium has been dated by carbon fourteen to the 8th century. Rucker's neutron absoption hypothesis explains that anomaly. shroudresearchxxxxxx
Rucker's hypothesis has been supported by the finding that the nitrogen signature in blood taken from the Shroud is missing. A neutron flux would have converted that nitrogen into carbon.
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Cartagena was a main trade/port and military naval base established and used from pre Roman times. During the several hundred years of Roman control Cartagena was the major arrival point by sea, a route known from all around the Mediterranean. Cartagena has one of the largest Colosseums ever discovered or rediscovered as the site here was built upon, multiple times over the intervening centuries as well as the usual scavenging of materials that has obviously been prevalent.
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Interestingly, (Saint) Helenas travels (First pilgrimage to Jerusalem) in order to locate the Holy Sites was accredited to and authenticated by Roman Graffiti as well as by the modern archeological excavations still currently ongoing.
General Gordon’s documentation of the site of the Skull and therefore, allegedly authenticating the current Garden Tomb is less credible.
A) The Alleged Tomb has had multiple occupancy over the centuries.
B) The Tomb is contrived to the image of the practical operation of both Stone opening and closing too contrived and modern to be authentic.
The place of the Skull 💀 at this location, is currently a local bus station, although both now and in historical photographs does appear to look like a skull. Any number of cultivated fires in the cave areas could have added to the creation of this depiction, in addition to natural erosion which has taken place over the centuries.
How could the Sudarium have been attached to Christ's head before death without obstructing His ability to breathe or speak?
He didn't explain it very well. He meant the blood in the hair came from the blood that Christ bleed while he was alive. This is not post mortem blood, it is living blood shed while Christ was alive and soaked up by the cloth when they tied it to cover his face after he died.
as for the Shroud of Turn, is it possible to conduct another Carbon 14 test, taking samples from a different section of the cloth?
The fires would affect the results and they know it.
@@MichaelAChristian1 Yes, I think it is Gods way of making man, not believe by science, but by faith..
Well it's been proven authentic now...
How far did The Dr say it was from where
Christ was crucified, to the the holy Sepulchre church where Christ tomb,
The Orthodox Church has the Church of the Holy Sepulcher.
What is your point? The authority of the Holy Sepulchre is transferred between the Churches.
@@josephmaxwell5033 my point was that he had mentioned that the Anglicans have it.
So I'm curious what your explanation for the 1160 date for the shroud. the different cloth thing would work but for the invisible splice. We should be able to see where it was added in. I really want to believe this but the date and honestly Helena too is hard to get around.
I wish I could remember which shroud video it was, but somebody did discover that the repaired areas on the edge that had been sampled was a totally different kind of cloth, and it was dyed to match the rest of the shroud.
@@lilyw.719 That would work except for the lack of any seam.
@@joshuamassey1302 Invisible weave is possible. One of the characteristics of repaired areas is that they have a different weave pattern. The bulk of the shroud is a particular herringbone weave pattern that was practiced in first century Palestine but totally unused/unknown in Europe at any point. I don't understand how invisible weave works, but I have heard it discussed in relation to the shroud, and that has to be what they did because there are two separate kinds of cloth here that can only be told apart by close analysis of the fibers.
I wish I could remember which video(s) I saw that in, but there are just too many, and they all seem to have a little bit of info that nobody else has, because there is just such an enormous amount of research - it's the most studied historical artifact of all time - that there is no way to cover it all in one presentation, and it seems like people presenting info about the shroud will sometimes highlight points they're trying to get out there that aren't well enough known yet.
You know, I have just thought of an idea for how invisible weave might work. Perhaps one is not trying to attach two different pieces of cloth but instead sew back out the missing piece. I have absolutely no idea how that would work with a loom, but it's a thought.
@@lilyw.719 It's deffenetly a thought,it would be super cool if this was real.
Proof of a resurrection
How do they know the box is Oak if they did no other testing? Perhaps it’s shittim wood, like the Ark of the Covenant?
Dr. Brian, sorry to say this, but you are not well informed, your pronunciation in wrong in several areas and the pollens, myrrh and aloes ARE in fact proved to be from Jerusalem AND the stone dust on the shroud is indeed a very specific and rare kind of limestone ONLY from Jerusalem and specifically from the very gate area that Jesus would have walked through to the hill place of crucifixion - Golgotha.
FROM THE SHROUD, THE KNEE AND CHIN ALSO HAVE THIS SAME LIMESTONE.
How long post mortem would blood from inside the body still be liquid? That would give us some idea of how long it took to take Christ down from the cross and place His body in the tomb.
Also, what would the spear wound in Christ's side do to the blood flow from His head? Would the loss of blood through His side alter the pressure of the blood remaining in His head?
I'd also question how any fluid from Christ's lungs could be forced out through His nose post mortem.
not an expert but from all the stuff i’ve read about this, blood stays liquid for quite a while.
Fresh corpses that have pulmonary edema in the lungs are leaky for awhile after death. He would have been coughing up pulmonary foam as he died and that would be all over his lower face. When they lowered his body, if his head dropped below his heart level, he would have leaked fluid out of his mouth and nose.
Source, I'm a retired LPN who worked in long term care and dealt with many a corpse. Fun fact; freshly dead bodies groan when you roll them over. It's from the air escaping their lungs. We would prop the head up to keep the fluids from leaking out when their families came in to view them before the mortuary took them away.
The cloth may have been used as a dressing or sponge for an injured face, but Jesus died on the cross in the ninth hour of the day (3 pm) was taken down several hours later at even time and it does not show in the image burned into the Shroud. Was a hood placed over the face of the condemned man before death?
NO, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL ARTICLES ON THE HISTORICAL BURIAL PRACTICE OF THE JEWS.
@@RONALDLJONES-ik6xo Nicodemus and Joseph were pressed for time that Friday, and Jesus had an appointment to keep with the penitent thief before rising again from the dead on Sunday.
This cloth was thought to have been placed under the forehead of Christ as he was placed face down with the thorn crown intact on the shroud and then the back part placed over HIM. This was what was determined by technical analysis and data plotting of the original photos where it was determined that the pressure points (or flattening of the body) indicated a prone facedown position. This also would explain why the face cloth was found placed away from the rest of the shroud as it was UNDER the shroud and that is why the face is so clear on the shroud itself.
@@CraigBaughan-mg3hfyou do realize that there is NO WAY Jesus spent three days and nights in the tomb and fulfilled prophesy if he died on Friday and rose on Sunday? That timeframe is in direct opposition to the Bible. Go back and do some real study so you are not deceived by man teachings by the church to fit their calendar and not the actual calendar and dates when Jesus walked the earth.
@@InSearchofTruththruJesusChrist Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of the month Nissan, and rose from the dead on the 17th day of Nissan.
As is known, many theologians do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus. According to them, it would be an inner experience. However, according to the Acts of the Apostles and the letters of Saint Paul, the Resurrection of Jesus is the indispensable requirement to receive Baptism and be saved. These theologians do not have the faith that is necessary to be saved, they are in extreme danger of being damned. They have two solutions, both go through humility, which is the problem. Say to God: I want to believe in the resurrection of your Son Jesus, but I can't. Make me safe, as if I believed. The other is to turn to the Shroud and mentally see the miracle witnessed by John, Peter, Joseph of Arimathea, Mary Magdalene, and even Mary, Mother of Jesus. They were privileged, they believed in the resurrection of Jesus thanks to that visible miracle. The Holy sheet with the "photos" of Jesus and the head shroud suspended in the air. The other Christian faithful would believe because of the preaching and the action of the Holy Spirit, but all had to believe in the resurrection of Jesus as a "sine qua non" condition. Now in the 21st century, the miracle is offered to us again because the book picks up the pieces of the puzzle that Saint John left us and puts them in their place and thus the scene that they saw twenty centuries later appears drawn, since Saint John was not explicit for various reasons. His community knew how to read between the lines what he was explaining because they knew the story well enough. It is about the book SAINT JOHN THE EVANGELIST "SAW AND BELIEVED" AND WE TOO! On Amazon.
AND MOST THEOLOGIANS ARE EDUCATED BEYOND THEIR LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE.. THESE THEOLOGIANS ARE LIKE THE SCRIBES OF JESUS TEACHINGS AND BECAUSE THEY LEAD PEOPLE AWAY THERE SUFFERING IS EVEN WORSE.
The lack of proper scepticism and critical thinking and strong correlation with religious belief is kinda revealing.
PROPER SKEPTICISM AND CRITICAL THINKING IS DONE ONLY BY THOSE EDUCATED BEYOND THEIR LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE.. THESE PHRASES ARE ALSO USED BY ATTEST AND AGNOSTICS TO IMPRESS THERE FELLOW ATHEIST AND AGNOSTICS. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?
No, your caps lock button is broken and your spelling & grammar are atrocious.
@@RONALDLJONES-ik6xo You're also not making any sense and your points are incoherent.
Did any of the scientist perform a DNA test? If this is the blood of Jesus, then it would be another miracle if they tried it and then find that the blood is still alive.
YES, BUT IT WAS DONE IN A JEWISH LAB FROM DRIED BLOOD FROM THE MERCY SEAT. THERE WERE 24 PAIRS. 23 FROM MARY AND ONE "Y" FROM GOD.
The Shroud of Turin is a real 2000 year old artifact and what Christianity is based upon but saying he wore a helmet of thorns you have admitted he was a Parthian King whom all wore a purple robe and a helmet/crown of thorns.
The shroud first turned up in the 15th Century, brought back by a Crusader as a gift for the local church.
There were gift shops in Jerusalem selling souvenirs to Crusaders, like this or bits of guaranted wood, nails, tears, bone, blood, cloth, whatever. It was quite an industry.
Yeah, these shrouds were sold in a gift shop. that is why there are so many of them (LOL)@@betty5064
But Indiana Jones wasn’t even a Christian either, why he didn’t die makes no sense
Also, the shroud itself was held by the Orthodox until the sack of Constantinople by Roman Catholic crusaders. This should be given back.
Ah! So, we now see your original objective.
Your religious schism negates your claim on the Apostolic Church and any of the artefacts previously held in the Cathedral in Constantinople, which is now back operating as a functional Mosque. (Sofia)
Ah! And yet the story isn’t over yet.
@@josephmaxwell5033 and that wasn’t an admission to the first aspect of what you commented. But I will not take the bait to engage in virtual mudslinging.
I have watched better vids than this.
Can you recommend some?
On this ark... why does the Jesus character look like baphomet? Even doing the as above so below hands...
YOU NEED TO VISIT AN OPTOMETRIST.