Another singer from an older generation, Julie Andrews, who was known for her beautiful voice, had surgery in 1997 to have a cyst removed from her vocal chords and lost her singing voice permanently as a result of the surgery! I can't imagine what it was like for her. I've read it was devastating for her and made her extremely depressed.
@@crhu319 Bonnie Tyler went through something similar if I recall correctly. Ended up recording a couple of the most iconic ‘80s pop songs with her new voice.
@@grahamstrouse1165 yeah, Bonnie's raspiness, which is kinda her signature sound now, developed after a surgery to take care of some problems in her chords I believe. And yeah, she worked the shit outta that, I mean, I can't imagine Total Eclipse of the Heart without that rasp, or Holding Out For a Hero. I mean, no one else could sing those songs other than her with that voice
I’m a speech language pathologist and work on a regular basis with patients who have voice disorders, and you beautifully explained vocal function and Reinke’s edema! Well done!
From what I’ve read there really isn’t a cure for Reinke’s Edema. I’ve had surgery, and she (my physician) said I had an old hemorrhage in one vocal fold, and another about to burst omen the other side. She diagnosed me with suffering from Reinke’s Edema. I lost my voice for 2 months about 20 years ago, but they never gave me an explanation. Looking back I believe that is when that old hemorrhage occurred. Any way, my local cover band singing days are over-unfortunately.
@@Krae75 smoking, vocal misuse, and poor vocal hygiene (i.e. not staying hydrated, consuming lots of alcohol, smoking, etc) are often the causes of Reinke’s edema! Reinke’s edema is most commonly associated with smoking, so it is highly likely that smoking has brought on this diagnosis for her.
Miley now sounds like a 60 year old that has been a heavy smoker whole her life. But to be honest: I like her voice more, especially when she`s singing country. It`s a perfect match for that genre.
Alex Hepburn gave me a lot of hope and the song is definitely great but the rest of the album,it I don’t know if you took the time to listen to the album , well I did and I absolutely did not understand it. My last story with Miss Hepburn and there.
Stevie Knicks had problem too but hers was from extreme cocaine abuse and so was Elton John. Remember he actually had surgery to try and recover his voice, and it changed it, he never was 100% again, he just adapted to what he had left vocally, he did this well but not to like was originally. .
taking in mind all that is said, in all honesty, you can't compare a teenager's voice to a grown-up one, she was a baby in HM, her sound is more mature now and she's definitely the absolute best there is.
I was thinking I need to hear her singing the same song to even determine how much it changed. And even from one night to a next a singer's voice can sound a little different because of the strain being put on the vocal chords. But simply growing causes a change. It is more apparent in males, but us females have it happen too.
She was an adult in 2013. She turned 18 in 2010. Her voice changed an unnatural amount between then and now. My voice may sound a little different than when I was a teenager but it more or less sounds exactly the same as when I was 18-21. Miley’s voice changing this much is definitely not just aging…
This is perhaps the most compassionate video I've ever watched about someone's voice changing over time. Such gentle compassion, clear and concise explanation, and encouragement at the end. Wonderful as always. :)
Thank you! I feel so many of these videos are about ripping artists down and I certainly don’t want that but do want people to understand the risks. It took me a while to balance that when writing this so I am glad it came across!
Curiously, this is not even super compassionate, it's just that she actually knows what she is talking about, or at least try to investigate. Often cruelty comes from ignorance.
There's a reason Broadway performers have a "conservation voice" - _conservation,_ not conversation! They always ensure to speak minimally and very softly when doing 8 shows a week. Even though Miley may not sing 8 shows a week (more like 5 or 6), being careful and avoiding talking where possible is definitely a good idea. Oh, and NEVER dress-rehearse with full voice! Only use full voice during VOCAL rehearsal in a controlled environment with your vocal coach present! Hope this helps any aspiring performers out there!
"Maybe your voice won't sound like hers, but it will sound like you and the unique and extraordinary life that you are living" What a lovely and inspiring way to wrap this video up! Thanks for this, Beth!
It's so important to rest your vocal chords. I love singing, and recently, I sang every day for over a week. My style improved and I hit a note I'd struggled to reach. But I could also feel it in my vocal chords. It wasn't pain exactly, more like mild irritation. And I actually had to stop listening to music for a while, because whenever I listen to music, I feel like I have to sing along, because if I don't, I feel like I'll combust. I feel awful that Miley didn't have days off. She sounds amazing, but at what cost? I hope her voice doesn't get any more serious damage. She said in her interview that she's taking care of it properly now, so I hope it works!
Well to be fair Courtney Love wasn't out here charting the charts at age 13 with a duo persona. Going on 3 tours before the age of 15 and not only starring in her own tv series but also doing films. Miley was literally working as two people at once. Some child labor laws were definitely broken there lmfao
This was a great break down of why Miley is legit. She wears her heart on her sleeve and her soul in her vocals. This was extremely interesting! Thank you!
And yet at the same time, the reactions felt more like a vocals focused "What Makes This Song Great" and I really liked them!! Don't quit doing them!! Keep finding those vocal gems or even those we heard a thousand times and didn't think much about but there's that little thing that makes it tick... Love the content here!!
I found it really interesting that in 2007 an episode of Hannah Montana was about her character getting vocal surgery, fast forward to now and she actually got vocal surgery!
Miley 2013 was unstoppable. She could out sing anyone. She was literally belting f5s and G5’s with ease yet being a mezzo soprano. I also love Miley’s ability to do rock growls. She’s definitely got a one of a kind voice.
@@j800r_aswell While in theory that’s true, Miley’s always had a lower voice. I just personally found her range impressive. Her vocal range is: C#2-A5-G7
@@j800r_aswell males that sing 5 octave notes tend to have very constricted voices with very poor resonance and are only squeezing to get there. They end up having those high notes by sacrificing vocal healthy, power, depth of tone, low notes and middle notes, and they sacrifice longevity too.
Love this style of in-depth coverage. It's almost like a TED Talk. Opera singers typically go on for longer than 'pop' or 'rock' singers with no such radical changes. That is because they train properly and are thus able to protect and project their voices in a much more controlled way that is well within their true vocal range.
@@blaisearwyn3405 it's not that depressing lol. Great opera singers of the past not only had big voices, they also had great stamina. Which means their voice could handle much more than normal. Most of today's opera singers have so week teachniques that they have to take much more care.
This is cool. I started watching you for vocal reacts, but now you're getting into the SCIENCE of singing? SIGN ME THE F*** UP! Even as a non-singer, I appreciate this.
Miley’s voice changed a lot between the seasons of Hannah Montana too. Like compare the song This Is The Life to I’ll Always Remember You. I doubt the change is fully because of maturity. First her voice sounded more congested, then it sounded raspier, now it’s just fully deep and raspy. I wonder what her voice would sound like if she hadn’t smoked at all
The way contemporary music is produced is an additional factor that contributes to people overstraining their voice. Bad technique can be ‚fixed‘ in post production to some extend and so companies have reduced or entirely stopped spending money on training and coaching their talent to actually learn good technique in the first place. Also a lot of music is so heavily compressed and ‚loud‘ that it gives listeners and especially people interested in singing a completely wrong impression of how singing works. If you Listen to vocalists today, especially young aspiring singers or talent show candidates, you can actually hear how hard they push their voices and how much strain they put on their vocal cords because many of them never had any sort of professional vocal coaching and they also picked up a lot of really unhealthy and bad habits from listening to music on the radio or on Spotify. When I started taking professional lessons twenty years ago I had to unlearn a whole lot of very bad habits I picked up from listening to music on TV and radio. music that even at the time was already often overproduced and over compressed and sung by people who also didn’t really have great technique to begin with. Things have only gotten worse over the last twenty years and so aspiring vocalists today tend to pick up even worse habits than I did.
Something i've gathered from a lot of pub singers & amateur bands etc is that they fall for the illusion that louder = better when it's not always true, that's what the microphone is for, it's the sound engineer's job to get the mix right. I've seen loads of inexperienced singers that have no musical ear for how their band sounds as a whole so gradually through the night they start getting louder and louder until it just sounds awful. This goes for any musician standing on a stage. A good musician listens to the whole band, bad musicians only listen to themselves.
"i didn't get recovery days there that was not important for someone that was making so much capital for such a big corporation". As an industry, the music business has an extremely poor track record of ensuring the well-being of its people (just look at how many artist end up dead or wrecked for life). It is e.g. well documented that taking people out of their environment and hauling them on tour around the world is severely stressful for their physical, mental and social health. Then you add in shenigans like Michael Jackson accidentally getting half his head burned off and you have a profession that looks more like a death trap than something people make a living of. I mean, most industries have managed to establish effective safeguards against the specific dangers of that industry except the music (and film) industry where such consideration seem to either not exist or, at best, seem pretty ineffective. There is College Humor's 'Construction Workers React to "Wrecking Ball"' which is meant humourous but it seems to contain an awful amount of truth each time I hear stories like that from the music industry.
This channel is not about music anymore... Now, is about passion being shared with those in love for music. I've been off for a year, I bloody regret it. Awesome Scottish Gray eyes girl... Congratulations is by far an unfair word.
Are those specifically Scottish? Mine are a weird pale blue that's more grey-green, not like anyone else in my family, and now I'm wondering what colour my maternal grandmother (a Ross who grew up speaking Gaelic in Cape Breton) had. The only other person I ever met with the same was a Duncan (transported from Scotland for horse thieving!). I loved her very much but the real bonus was in the apocalypse we would never be short of rides!
@@ConfessionsofaKookieAddict , I am also Scottish and I always wondered why my eyes get greener when i am depressed or upset and my yes have yellow/brown in the middle and green ring around the outside normally.
Very informative professional and respectful explanation. A cautionary note to all singers of all genres to take good care of themselves from the very beginning of their careers. Well done!
I compare her changes (both in both vocal quality and choice of material), to those that Marianne Faithful went through. And is both cases, _as a listener,_ I prefer the later version. Oh, and--I think I've already said this, but it bears repeating: I love the expansion beyond just reactions, and especially the science-y direction you've chosen. Love the channel even more as time goes on.
Yes but Stevie 100% hurt her voice and so did miley. And you know what causes it??? Yelling. Yelling too much will fuck your voice up. And I'm talking angry yelling. Like screaming in anger. That's what causes this
I always figured it was almost a brittney situation where her earlier work wanted her to sound much more poppy and a higher tone and not really dig into that gravely part of her voice, but i think shes always had it
Ryan Bingham is the same. My friend is an acquaintance of his and said early in his career he sounded muchhh different, but singing so many years in clubs, it's just grown gravelly and raspier. I personally love it. :)
She's become a lot more interesting both as a singer and a person to me. she's probably always been an interesting person but we're getting to see the real Miley these days and she's always cool to listen to.
I came for an explanation and got lots of bonus information on all the things I need to stop doing to my voice if I want to keep my singing voice for a long time. Very insightful, thank you :)
shes always been a mezzo... you can tell even when she was singing higher songs and during her time as a disney star she was still so young and the songs she was singing were very youthful so even though she was always a mezzo, the music shes singing now (country rock) allows her to embrace her mezzo sound a bit more
I am glad to hear that Miley is taking care of her voice. She has a unique voice and I'm sure most people would agree that she has much to offer to her audience.
that conclusion, though!! the world need you as you are. there's already a "like them", in the person of "them". it needs YOU like YOU are! when it wants you to change, you will. (that's a thing one of my coaches told me)
Great video! I am not personally attracted to Miley style of music but I liked her personality on dealing with the issue, but above all, your approach to the topic was sensitive, well based and extremely honest! Congratulations, Beth!
I have been watching Ms. Roars for over a year now and i just absolutely love the channel. Ive learned so much by just watching. Im always excited to see a new video.
I’ve noticed her rasp has been emphasized since her vocal surgery and I absolutely love it. It has so much character and power. I love it more now. As if her voice couldn’t get even more beautifully unique!
i think its a good thing that such a famous singer speaks out about vocal health with confidence and self love! hopefully she can learn from mistakes and improve her health and professional life in the future :-)
It could, but seems like derm procedures and skincare can work really well in countering that damage since all of that has improved quite a lot even compared to 10 years ago.
That was an excellent explanation of how Miley's voice ended up where it is. I was floored when I first heard how deep (and awesome) Mileys' voice became. Now I see there is much more to it.
Kudos to you for giving a clear and detailed explanation of Miley´s voice and concerns. I am 71 and never paid much attention to her, thought she was “too much” and wild. However, her song Flowers made me look at her in a different way and reading about her gave me a new understanding her career. She is devoted to her career and is now healthier than she has ever been. Consequently she is even looking prettier. As far as her voice, I Love It! Hopefully she is kind to herself and has learned to say HELL NO when being pushed around to make money from her voice.
I think she has matured since 2013... she isn't 21 year old party girl anymore, she's 31 year old divorced woman... and yes heartbreak from her divorce changed her and you can see it through those songs Flowers and Slide Away... she has stated in a couple songs that she isn't young or 17 anymore so she could be done with her "wild" era. When she was teen star in Hanna Montana she couldn't really do any of that wild stuff because she was underage back then and famous... so she musta had a late puberty in early 20s. I didn't really like her in the beginning but her last few ballads are really good. She definitely imitates Madonna like many other young popstars.
She has an amazing voice period what ever year it was she sings with passion and her stage presence is phenomenal she a God gifted talent enough said !
Love her current voice! Never was a honest fan of her music (hence popmusic), but I have to admit that her late covers and small gigs are a joy to listen to.
i like her voice now alot more then before and she should sing rock imo. amazing video on how and why her voice went where it is now. i hope she can keep her voice where it is now.
that ending was beautiful, been watching videos on vocal style and health for years and this is the first time i've finished a video feeling CALM and not TERRIFIED hahahaa, thank you!!! xxx
I remember when she was playing hanna montana there was an episode that aired about her vocal cords and it was pretty serious and I think it was this very condition and I do remember her in the episode completely freaking out about it and sad.
As someone who has some minor vocal damage from improperly learning to scream (I have since learned the right way) the idea of vocal surgery is terrifying. I personally can't recommend it as so many people have problems afterwards or not even being able to sing anymore at all. Personally I would always suggest learning to work around it unless surgery is necessary for health reasons. I'm happier with my voice now than I have ever been, damage and all
awesome video. thanks for being nice about her change. I agree with you. she is making the most of her new voice and i have to say i love what shes doing
th-cam.com/video/qVUu4DS2bb8/w-d-xo.html Video of Miley doing Say Hello to Heaven at the Cornell Tribute show...I was backstage I've never seen so many Musicians and actors in the same place And btw BR she can't hit the 5th octave G that is in the song..but she is in key and it's obvious she is trying so I give any vocalist a pass
I noticed the difference in Miley's voice when she released "Midnight Sky". I do like the fact that it is a new chapter in her evolution as a vocalist and artist. It ties in wonderfully with what you said at the end
Wow this video was so informative and compassionate! Really loved the way you explained everything. As a singer, these are great things to keep in mind
Another singer from an older generation, Julie Andrews, who was known for her beautiful voice, had surgery in 1997 to have a cyst removed from her vocal chords and lost her singing voice permanently as a result of the surgery! I can't imagine what it was like for her. I've read it was devastating for her and made her extremely depressed.
Yeah musical theater is murder on the voice, the constant high notes and constant shows and rehearsals.
If they want to, singers change style to invent something new.
Marianne Faithfull shows how.
@@crhu319 Bonnie Tyler went through something similar if I recall correctly. Ended up recording a couple of the most iconic ‘80s pop songs with her new voice.
@@grahamstrouse1165 yeah, Bonnie's raspiness, which is kinda her signature sound now, developed after a surgery to take care of some problems in her chords I believe. And yeah, she worked the shit outta that, I mean, I can't imagine Total Eclipse of the Heart without that rasp, or Holding Out For a Hero. I mean, no one else could sing those songs other than her with that voice
@@nahuelma97 i bet angelina jordan would kill it...
I once heard someone say, “her voice sounds like honey, good weed, and cheap whiskey....I think I’m in love.” I honestly couldn’t put it any better.
If you've listened to Miley Cyrus' recent work, you may have noticed it's actually good.
Her voice is awesome the way it currently is.
Yeah, although her Pop was well produced. This sounds more like her doing her thing.
I wasn't a miley fan before but I love plastic hearts.
Said No one ever
@@Tony-iu7sw You did, 'no one'. 😄
I’m a speech language pathologist and work on a regular basis with patients who have voice disorders, and you beautifully explained vocal function and Reinke’s edema! Well done!
Thank you Hannah!
Would you associate her heavy marijuana smoking to the change ?
From what I’ve read there really isn’t a cure for Reinke’s Edema. I’ve had surgery, and she (my physician) said I had an old hemorrhage in one vocal fold, and another about to burst omen the other side. She diagnosed me with suffering from Reinke’s Edema. I lost my voice for 2 months about 20 years ago, but they never gave me an explanation. Looking back I believe that is when that old hemorrhage occurred. Any way, my local cover band singing days are over-unfortunately.
I agree, excellent explanation and video overall.
@@Krae75 smoking, vocal misuse, and poor vocal hygiene (i.e. not staying hydrated, consuming lots of alcohol, smoking, etc) are often the causes of Reinke’s edema! Reinke’s edema is most commonly associated with smoking, so it is highly likely that smoking has brought on this diagnosis for her.
Miley now sounds like a 60 year old that has been a heavy smoker whole her life. But to be honest: I like her voice more, especially when she`s singing country. It`s a perfect match for that genre.
Agreed her voice has a lot more character now.
-singing- speaking obviously she sounds now like overmatured Pink.
i've found at last the person that sounds familiar- 'Alex Hepburn - Under'
Alex Hepburn gave me a lot of hope and the song is definitely great but the rest of the album,it I don’t know if you took the time to listen to the album , well I did and I absolutely did not understand it. My last story with Miss Hepburn and there.
@@queenofalldamned3365 as for me i'm not keen on such raw voices. it sounds perharps powerfully built but ain't my side
Miley's voice is so unique now, and her vocal style as well.
I feel like it has always been unique
Her style is anything but unique
@@GbrElfunk just your opinion💁♀️
When I heard her sister talking on AHS I thought it was Miley talking
It sounds like it is 1970s-1980s. It isn't super unique
I love a raspy voice full of lived pain like Miley’s or Courtney Love’s, Stevie Knicks, Brody Dalle, Joan jet’s etc etc
Stevie Knicks had problem too but hers was from extreme cocaine abuse and so was Elton John. Remember he actually had surgery to try and recover his voice, and it changed it, he never was 100% again, he just adapted to what he had left vocally, he did this well but not to like was originally.
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All men btw.
Indeed. And unlike a lot of other singers Miley’s age, she’s not affecting a croaky voice, it’s actually how she sounds now.
@@joaniec6178 exactly. Her voice changed naturally.
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taking in mind all that is said, in all honesty, you can't compare a teenager's voice to a grown-up one, she was a baby in HM, her sound is more mature now and she's definitely the absolute best there is.
The voice matures, and part of the change is caused by that. But her voice sounds unnaturally dark and raspy now.
I was thinking I need to hear her singing the same song to even determine how much it changed.
And even from one night to a next a singer's voice can sound a little different because of the strain being put on the vocal chords.
But simply growing causes a change. It is more apparent in males, but us females have it happen too.
She sounds like a Smoker
Too bad her antics are so disgusting on stage.
She was an adult in 2013. She turned 18 in 2010. Her voice changed an unnatural amount between then and now. My voice may sound a little different than when I was a teenager but it more or less sounds exactly the same as when I was 18-21. Miley’s voice changing this much is definitely not just aging…
This is perhaps the most compassionate video I've ever watched about someone's voice changing over time. Such gentle compassion, clear and concise explanation, and encouragement at the end. Wonderful as always. :)
Thank you! I feel so many of these videos are about ripping artists down and I certainly don’t want that but do want people to understand the risks. It took me a while to balance that when writing this so I am glad it came across!
Curiously, this is not even super compassionate, it's just that she actually knows what she is talking about, or at least try to investigate. Often cruelty comes from ignorance.
@@jaimeduncan6167 Most cruelty does come from ignorance!
Agree!! Really, really well done video
There's a reason Broadway performers have a "conservation voice" - _conservation,_ not conversation! They always ensure to speak minimally and very softly when doing 8 shows a week. Even though Miley may not sing 8 shows a week (more like 5 or 6), being careful and avoiding talking where possible is definitely a good idea. Oh, and NEVER dress-rehearse with full voice! Only use full voice during VOCAL rehearsal in a controlled environment with your vocal coach present!
Hope this helps any aspiring performers out there!
... If I only knew... Then I wouldn't have lost mine... I was once a suprano, now I can't even sing a high note and this happened in 4 years...
@@chunellemariavictoriaespan8752 can we relieve our voices after that? Even if it would take years?
@@daniellemcclain1613 I dunno... I've only learned about things like this now...
@@chunellemariavictoriaespan8752 you can get with a good voice therapist and recover
:) !!!!
"Maybe your voice won't sound like hers, but it will sound like you and the unique and extraordinary life that you are living" What a lovely and inspiring way to wrap this video up! Thanks for this, Beth!
Thank you for watching!
It's so important to rest your vocal chords. I love singing, and recently, I sang every day for over a week. My style improved and I hit a note I'd struggled to reach. But I could also feel it in my vocal chords. It wasn't pain exactly, more like mild irritation. And I actually had to stop listening to music for a while, because whenever I listen to music, I feel like I have to sing along, because if I don't, I feel like I'll combust. I feel awful that Miley didn't have days off. She sounds amazing, but at what cost? I hope her voice doesn't get any more serious damage. She said in her interview that she's taking care of it properly now, so I hope it works!
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I like her aged voice a lot better it suits her way more and is perfect for her personality
Man. If Miley developed this at a young adult age, then I have no idea how Courtney Love can even still speak
Well to be fair Courtney Love wasn't out here charting the charts at age 13 with a duo persona. Going on 3 tours before the age of 15 and not only starring in her own tv series but also doing films. Miley was literally working as two people at once. Some child labor laws were definitely broken there lmfao
Well Courtneys voice just isnt as low or raspy, she screams a lot but her songs have easy verses and she adds rasp as effect.
She speaks with forked tongue.
This was a great break down of why Miley is legit. She wears her heart on her sleeve and her soul in her vocals. This was extremely interesting! Thank you!
The voice also naturally gets deeper as we age also.
Right I was a soprano at the start of high school and by the end of it and still am a second alto
She said it was trauma because of her house burning down. Look at her interview
For women not men
@@rubyj9497 that’s just an excuse because she doesn’t wanna acknowledge that she herself ruined her voice with cigs and drugs…
But not like this
I was never a fan but the last Album - I'm absolutely in love
Same
Same here!
Same here.
Miley has a very classic-rock-country-blues kind of voice, and I've always loved it.
This channel is evolving beyond a music review channel and I’m liking it. 😊
Hope so!
Me too! 👍🏻
There's only so much genius to review before you just have to inspire more.
And yet at the same time, the reactions felt more like a vocals focused "What Makes This Song Great" and I really liked them!! Don't quit doing them!! Keep finding those vocal gems or even those we heard a thousand times and didn't think much about but there's that little thing that makes it tick... Love the content here!!
Absolutely!
I think her voice now is fantastic. She can make a full rock álbum now.
I found it really interesting that in 2007 an episode of Hannah Montana was about her character getting vocal surgery, fast forward to now and she actually got vocal surgery!
I have a paralyzed vocal cord from a thyroidectomy I had in 2013. I was actually moved to tears by this. Thank you!
Miley 2013 was unstoppable. She could out sing anyone. She was literally belting f5s and G5’s with ease yet being a mezzo soprano. I also love Miley’s ability to do rock growls. She’s definitely got a one of a kind voice.
Fifth octave notes shouldn't be all that difficult for a female voice. Some extremely talented male voices can hit notes in the fifth octave.
@@Morgan-lm6ns she got a voice surgery, so no
I'm gonna have to listen to her more. Never really have. Im 65.
@@j800r_aswell While in theory that’s true, Miley’s always had a lower voice. I just personally found her range impressive. Her vocal range is: C#2-A5-G7
@@j800r_aswell males that sing 5 octave notes tend to have very constricted voices with very poor resonance and are only squeezing to get there. They end up having those high notes by sacrificing vocal healthy, power, depth of tone, low notes and middle notes, and they sacrifice longevity too.
Miley Cyrus singing rock with a gritty voice is all I need!!
You have the cutest intro ever☺️
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@@teacherjeth0112 I have to agree, wphooorr!
The very fiercest creatures often do!
I like the sound of her voice now. I think she's a great artist.
Love this style of in-depth coverage. It's almost like a TED Talk.
Opera singers typically go on for longer than 'pop' or 'rock' singers with no such radical changes. That is because they train properly and are thus able to protect and project their voices in a much more controlled way that is well within their true vocal range.
Their whole lives are about protecting their voice. Its a real sacrifice & kind of depressing.
@@blaisearwyn3405 it's not that depressing lol. Great opera singers of the past not only had big voices, they also had great stamina. Which means their voice could handle much more than normal. Most of today's opera singers have so week teachniques that they have to take much more care.
Agreed
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She had a insanely difficult surgery to recover from her vocal cords healed differently
Sounds like adenoids to me.
This is cool. I started watching you for vocal reacts, but now you're getting into the SCIENCE of singing? SIGN ME THE F*** UP! Even as a non-singer, I appreciate this.
She has always said she has a deep speaking voice but I think she was intentionally pitching her voice up a lot as well when she was younger
This
I completely agree. Trying to get that "Disney" sound
I personally think she sounds much better now/as time has gone on
I'm not sure how I got your channel recommend to me, but your closing comments were just beautiful. I was truly touched.
I definitely like her singing voice better now, but it's unfortunately how it got that way. I like a bit of rasp.
Makes for great blues singers 😎
Miley’s voice changed a lot between the seasons of Hannah Montana too. Like compare the song This Is The Life to I’ll Always Remember You. I doubt the change is fully because of maturity. First her voice sounded more congested, then it sounded raspier, now it’s just fully deep and raspy. I wonder what her voice would sound like if she hadn’t smoked at all
She sounds like she has huge adenoids.
I don't think she ever smoke cigarette only mj
@@Squirrel_22 oh she smoked a lot of cigs. It's been documented pretty well.
@@LarryTheBassplayer do you have link? I wanna watch it
She said on joe Rogan that she was heavily smoking during hannah
Thank you! I could have used this 50 years ago, but I have lived and this is my voice now. Keep up the great work!
Smoking does have a tendency to damage vocal chords. And straining them while singing.
My favorite vocal style was in 2017. It was the best of both worlds in a way, still a higher pitch but the rasyness was already there
Lol best of both worlds a pun??
@@Neutralnugs of coursee
I prefer her voice in 2013, she used to belt and sing high but at the same time use her deep and raspy voice
I love her voice more now. I think it has more character/attitude. It goes with her personality
The way contemporary music is produced is an additional factor that contributes to people overstraining their voice. Bad technique can be ‚fixed‘ in post production to some extend and so companies have reduced or entirely stopped spending money on training and coaching their talent to actually learn good technique in the first place.
Also a lot of music is so heavily compressed and ‚loud‘ that it gives listeners and especially people interested in singing a completely wrong impression of how singing works.
If you Listen to vocalists today, especially young aspiring singers or talent show candidates, you can actually hear how hard they push their voices and how much strain they put on their vocal cords because many of them never had any sort of professional vocal coaching and they also picked up a lot of really unhealthy and bad habits from listening to music on the radio or on Spotify.
When I started taking professional lessons twenty years ago I had to unlearn a whole lot of very bad habits I picked up from listening to music on TV and radio. music that even at the time was already often overproduced and over compressed and sung by people who also didn’t really have great technique to begin with. Things have only gotten worse over the last twenty years and so aspiring vocalists today tend to pick up even worse habits than I did.
Which is why channels like this really matter.
Something i've gathered from a lot of pub singers & amateur bands etc is that they fall for the illusion that louder = better when it's not always true, that's what the microphone is for, it's the sound engineer's job to get the mix right. I've seen loads of inexperienced singers that have no musical ear for how their band sounds as a whole so gradually through the night they start getting louder and louder until it just sounds awful. This goes for any musician standing on a stage. A good musician listens to the whole band, bad musicians only listen to themselves.
@@SynphamyMusic This is interesting & important info to get out there.
This is very interesting & important info to get out there.
"i didn't get recovery days there that was not important for someone that was making so much capital for such a big corporation". As an industry, the music business has an extremely poor track record of ensuring the well-being of its people (just look at how many artist end up dead or wrecked for life). It is e.g. well documented that taking people out of their environment and hauling them on tour around the world is severely stressful for their physical, mental and social health. Then you add in shenigans like Michael Jackson accidentally getting half his head burned off and you have a profession that looks more like a death trap than something people make a living of. I mean, most industries have managed to establish effective safeguards against the specific dangers of that industry except the music (and film) industry where such consideration seem to either not exist or, at best, seem pretty ineffective.
There is College Humor's 'Construction Workers React to "Wrecking Ball"' which is meant humourous but it seems to contain an awful amount of truth each time I hear stories like that from the music industry.
When I hear Miley talk, she sounds like a heavy chain-smoker lady--like Marge's sister from the Simpsons.
Comprehensive, informative and to the point, well done!
She's got so much talent! I love the way her voice sounds ❤️
This channel is not about music anymore... Now, is about passion being shared with those in love for music. I've been off for a year, I bloody regret it. Awesome Scottish Gray eyes girl... Congratulations is by far an unfair word.
Are those specifically Scottish? Mine are a weird pale blue that's more grey-green, not like anyone else in my family, and now I'm wondering what colour my maternal grandmother (a Ross who grew up speaking Gaelic in Cape Breton) had.
The only other person I ever met with the same was a Duncan (transported from Scotland for horse thieving!). I loved her very much but the real bonus was in the apocalypse we would never be short of rides!
My family is Scottish and my eyes and my mothers eyes shift depending on our moods. From bright blue to a grayish color! I thot we were just weird 😂
@@ConfessionsofaKookieAddict , I am also Scottish and I always wondered why my eyes get greener when i am depressed or upset and my yes have yellow/brown in the middle and green ring around the outside normally.
Did you just put tears in my eyes? Wow… those words at the end really did a number on me.
Very informative professional and respectful explanation.
A cautionary note to all singers of all genres to take good care of themselves from the very beginning of their careers. Well done!
I admire Miley's honesty about this, however I really LOVE her new sound.
I compare her changes (both in both vocal quality and choice of material), to those that Marianne Faithful went through. And is both cases, _as a listener,_ I prefer the later version.
Oh, and--I think I've already said this, but it bears repeating: I love the expansion beyond just reactions, and especially the science-y direction you've chosen. Love the channel even more as time goes on.
Thank you Maya! I know it is a little different for some people so it isn't for everyone. However, I am enjoying making these videos!
I loved Marianne but that hoarseness and broken phrases just got to be too much as the years went by.
miley has a very unique and an amazingly stable voice and her techniques are absolutely chef's kiss
What an awesome episode, Beth, especially the message at the end. I hope many young people will hear it and pay heed.
Her voice changed almost exactly like Stevie Nicks' did between Landslide and her later work.
They are both contraltos in my opinion
Yes but Stevie 100% hurt her voice and so did miley. And you know what causes it??? Yelling. Yelling too much will fuck your voice up. And I'm talking angry yelling. Like screaming in anger. That's what causes this
Nicely done Beth...a professional presentation...you didn't miss a beat or a technicality
I always figured it was almost a brittney situation where her earlier work wanted her to sound much more poppy and a higher tone and not really dig into that gravely part of her voice, but i think shes always had it
Yes, she's always had a deep voice
7 things is an example
You should do an analysis on the changes in Tom Waits' voice. Talk about getting gravelly over time...he's the prime example.
How about Greg Lake?
@@RaymondBCrisp Greg Lake was a legend. 😭
@@michaellooks2723 Indeed he was...
Ryan Bingham is the same. My friend is an acquaintance of his and said early in his career he sounded muchhh different, but singing so many years in clubs, it's just grown gravelly and raspier. I personally love it. :)
I have an even better example, Nina Hagen
I really appreciate how you respected her and explained thoroughly the science behind it. Amazing video.
She's become a lot more interesting both as a singer and a person to me. she's probably always been an interesting person but we're getting to see the real Miley these days and she's always cool to listen to.
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I came for an explanation and got lots of bonus information on all the things I need to stop doing to my voice if I want to keep my singing voice for a long time. Very insightful, thank you :)
I love her voice soooo much. It's so unique. Beth, your videos are so entertaining and interesting. Thanks for making videos like this 🙏🏻
This is my favorite video you’ve made yet.
shes always been a mezzo... you can tell even when she was singing higher songs and during her time as a disney star she was still so young and the songs she was singing were very youthful so even though she was always a mezzo, the music shes singing now (country rock) allows her to embrace her mezzo sound a bit more
I am glad to hear that Miley is taking care of her voice. She has a unique voice and I'm sure most people would agree that she has much to offer to her audience.
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that conclusion, though!!
the world need you as you are. there's already a "like them", in the person of "them". it needs YOU like YOU are! when it wants you to change, you will.
(that's a thing one of my coaches told me)
Great video! I am not personally attracted to Miley style of music but I liked her personality on dealing with the issue, but above all, your approach to the topic was sensitive, well based and extremely honest! Congratulations, Beth!
I have been watching Ms. Roars for over a year now and i just absolutely love the channel. Ive learned so much by just watching. Im always excited to see a new video.
Thanks so much
You explained that so well!
Let's be honest, Miley's voice is definitely one of a kind 😍❤️
Your conclusion was so beautiful! Congrats on the great content.
Glad you enjoyed it!
14:44 thank you for the whole video and research - and this super important afterthought! Bless bless 🙏🏻🌸💖
I love Miley’s new husky voice. Not sure about the hair though, it makes her look like Lulu.
And Lulu’s like that, sweetie!
Nicely done video, Beth. Wow, very thorough on the topic! Important info for singers.
I like her singing voice more now. I was surprised by her talking voice though lol
I'm a speech pathologist and want to say this video has really high quality. Congrats Beth, your research and explanation are fantastic.
Thank you!
I’ve noticed her rasp has been emphasized since her vocal surgery and I absolutely love it. It has so much character and power. I love it more now. As if her voice couldn’t get even more beautifully unique!
i think its a good thing that such a famous singer speaks out about vocal health with confidence and self love! hopefully she can learn from mistakes and improve her health and professional life in the future :-)
Her voice is fucking incredible now. And although it much raspier, it still so powerful and controlled live.
What a superb video Beth. Informative, educational and clear. Thank you
You are so welcome!
She’s been a heavy smoker and has the damaged voice to prove it. The damage smoking does to bones and skin will also show soon.
Smoking what???
It could, but seems like derm procedures and skincare can work really well in countering that damage since all of that has improved quite a lot even compared to 10 years ago.
@@LG141602 weed and cigarettes, and also drinking
That was an excellent explanation of how Miley's voice ended up where it is. I was floored when I first heard how deep (and awesome) Mileys' voice became. Now I see there is much more to it.
With her voice as it is now, she should sing rocks songs mostly, she’d rock it
She does, have you heard her covers? So. Good. & her new album was at the top of the rock charts for weeks.
It's called puberty and maturity thank you I'll be here all week
Kudos to you for giving a clear and detailed explanation of Miley´s voice and concerns. I am 71 and never paid much attention to her, thought she was “too much” and wild. However, her song Flowers made me look at her in a different way and reading about her gave me a new understanding her career. She is devoted to her career and is now healthier than she has ever been. Consequently she is even looking prettier. As far as her voice, I Love It! Hopefully she is kind to herself and has learned to say HELL NO when being pushed around to make money from her voice.
I think she has matured since 2013... she isn't 21 year old party girl anymore, she's 31 year old divorced woman... and yes heartbreak from her divorce changed her and you can see it through those songs Flowers and Slide Away... she has stated in a couple songs that she isn't young or 17 anymore so she could be done with her "wild" era. When she was teen star in Hanna Montana she couldn't really do any of that wild stuff because she was underage back then and famous... so she musta had a late puberty in early 20s. I didn't really like her in the beginning but her last few ballads are really good. She definitely imitates Madonna like many other young popstars.
I absolutely ADORE her voice now. Amazing. It can fit with everything!
She has an amazing voice period what ever year it was she sings with passion and her stage presence is phenomenal she a God gifted talent enough said !
Really fascinating! Thanks, girl!
*I really like the overall message about your voice being uniquely yours and treating it with care. Cheers 🥂
Wow! Beth Roars thank for this singer!
Finally a person, Who explain everything and extremely good.
Thank you for this video. Now you have a New subscriber;D
Love her current voice! Never was a honest fan of her music (hence popmusic), but I have to admit that her late covers and small gigs are a joy to listen to.
Agreed
Same
SHE IS A CLONE NOW
i like her voice now alot more then before and she should sing rock imo. amazing video on how and why her voice went where it is now. i hope she can keep her voice where it is now.
that ending was beautiful, been watching videos on vocal style and health for years and this is the first time i've finished a video feeling CALM and not TERRIFIED hahahaa, thank you!!! xxx
Every story has its scars and that's how I love her.
Totally agree 😁
miley's voice makes my heart feel so comfy and cozy :) this is interesting
I remember when she was playing hanna montana there was an episode that aired about her vocal cords and it was pretty serious and I think it was this very condition and I do remember her in the episode completely freaking out about it and sad.
I clicked because I was curious and I did learn a lot, but I also stayed here because the video turned so wholesome in the end, aww!
As someone who has some minor vocal damage from improperly learning to scream (I have since learned the right way) the idea of vocal surgery is terrifying. I personally can't recommend it as so many people have problems afterwards or not even being able to sing anymore at all.
Personally I would always suggest learning to work around it unless surgery is necessary for health reasons. I'm happier with my voice now than I have ever been, damage and all
awesome video. thanks for being nice about her change. I agree with you. she is making the most of her new voice and i have to say i love what shes doing
Miley did the best at the chris cornell tribute
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Video of Miley doing Say Hello to Heaven at the Cornell Tribute show...I was backstage I've never seen so many Musicians and actors in the same place
And btw BR she can't hit the 5th octave G that is in the song..but she is in key and it's obvious she is trying so I give any vocalist a pass
The voice and human body are extremely resilient...and can always heal if you apply the right tools.
I love Miley, I will always love her voice.
She's getting better!!
I noticed the difference in Miley's voice when she released "Midnight Sky". I do like the fact that it is a new chapter in her evolution as a vocalist and artist. It ties in wonderfully with what you said at the end
Wow this video was so informative and compassionate! Really loved the way you explained everything. As a singer, these are great things to keep in mind