What really annoyed me about The Vision in "Civil War" was that, after he had accidentally blasted War Machine, he could have swiftly and easily saved him from crashing, but he did nothing.
He was compromised by Wanda. That was his entire issue that film. If someone's head isn't in the game they make mistakes. Hence he blasted Warmachine instead of Falcon.
@General_JacksonYT plot has nothing to do with scaling the heros power level. If they can have superman Aquaman wonder woman and Batman in the same movie and all they powers and skills showed believably. MCU should be able to do it too . But they really don't . They have iroman fighting Thor to a stand still..which is kinda crazy
@@General_JacksonYT it's always tripped me out in the MCU . Like when cap and bucky was beating ironman ass . But iroman was in a suit more powerful than the one he fought Thor to a stand still with lol. I'm like how two enhanced humans giving him the work in that suit. Eventually I was like y'all got it lol. Got use to it
It's simple actually - starting with Civil War Vision is a pacifist. He is always holding back. I know it's a cliche in superhero movies, but it works perfectly for Vision. It was clear that he was remorsful about killing Ultron, and that was before he criplled Rhodes by accident. Mind Stone made Vision physically extremly powerful, and at the same time mentaly unable to use all this power.
Yeah, but shooting that beam at Falcon was very out of character in the first place. If that beam had hit Falcon directly, it would have brought him down much faster with severe injuries from the beam
The whole scene doesn't really make sense at all. Vision could have easily caught Rhodes and probably caught up to cap in the quinjet aswell. They should have found a way to exclude Wanda and Vision from this fight in my opinion!
@@Chrislmisl Look how many people complain about characters not being in the final Endgame scene (like the TVA, Eternals, Moon Knight, etc...). It would not have gone over well with the audience and this video would still exist if Wanda and Vision weren't in the airport battle :D
The show What if? Showed the full potential of vision when ultron takes over his body. Oooo boy the destruction he causes. Splitting thanos in half was the least bit of his terrifyingness.
0:36 - Yes, he, above all else, understands his powers. He understands the danger he offers, and he CHOOSES to be a pacifist. In What IF we get a peek into what someone like Ultron, with little regard to life, can do with said powers but none of the moral shackles. Vision was made to be a hero, but he just wants a peaceful human life. 1:08 - Because he is that much self aware, he sides with Tony and tries to be a guide to Wanda, who is also unbelievably powerful, with even more potential. He holds backs because he doesn't want to harm friends, and when he steps out of that line even slightly it immediately backfires on him. It's not inconsistent, it's perfectly consistent. 1:54 - Vibranium is not indestructible, it's not even the strongest metal in the universe, just a very rare, lightweight and strong alloy found on Earth. It has particular properties, like shock/wave absorption, but it's not the end all be all for metals in the MCU. Even Asgard had better stuff since way back in Thor 1. 2:20 - Vision is not a fighter. He is powerful, but he doesn't WANT to fight ever. He is a pacifist. And he got jumped and was injured the whole time. Wanda at that point is just a girl. She barely knows how to use her own powers (despite being very powerful). Before Age of Ultron, she opted for indirect confrontation, while being mentored by Cap and the other avengers she starts to be more of a hitter (Civil War) still with a very rudimentary use of her abilities, but after the split she goes back to a normal life and stops training. Meanwhile, Cap, Falcon, Black Widow are all active fighters, long-life soldiers, with decades of experience with fighting stronger/faster enemies. Fights (good ones) aren't just "stronger character wins". Context makes the fight. Wanda wouldn't even begin to understand her powers until WandaVision, of course she lost when she got jumped by people prepared to fight her. It's a similar to case as of why the Hulk seems much weaker when Banner is in control. 2:53 - Vision was created in a moment of desperation trying to stop Ultron from getting his final form. He stands as a juxtaposition to Ultron's ideals. Ultron was programmed to end conflict, and to that end he concluded he must end life. Even when Ultron was just a few scrapped robots, he was throwing down, he wanted that smoke, no chill. Vision, however, had no programming. When he woke up, he was a free living being, with the power to be anything he wanted, and he chose a normal life. That's the whole theme behind it. Vision just going full Ultron on someone, even the villains, would be the actual betrayal of his character. Rather, being a pacifist and mentor is exactly what he was meant to be. Also, the claim they couldn't handle his power is absurd. Vision is not even at the top of the pole. His arc was crafted so Wanda would be in a moral dilemma and set up her next arc. 3:40 - Yes, he is a one of a kind life form that sees humanity from the outside. That's how he deals with the opposing qualities. You're basically stating what his character is and the themes he works as if that's a flaw and not the actual point.
I believe there were some problems with marvel even before endgame, but vision is not even close to being one of them. The video creator failed to understand that vision's desire to live a normal life wasn't inconsistency, it was a part of his arc. Completely agree with most of your points
@burnttoast.2017 So did Thor, in that actual movie. The fact Thanos wasn't on Earth for the majority of the time already keeps him away of Vision, there is nothing writers had to worry about Vision's power. What they wanted however was to use him for Wanda's arc.
I feel like the MCU in general just glazes all over Iron man and Cap. The way they disrespect Wanda, Vision, Hulk and Thor in order for them to shine is insane. How was Thor a demigod losing to Thanos with both stormbreaker and mjolnir, while Cap was on par with him being just a super soldier with only mjolnir, what happened to the whole movie about Thor being strong beside his hammer? Atleast Strange never really gets downplayed, but it still pisses me off.
Tbf with Cap Vs Thanos, the same thing that happened with Hulk happened to Cap. Cap gets the drop on Thanos when he's not paying attention to him and gets a few good hits in. Then Thanos turns the tide and starts destroying him and then cuts into the shield. Hulk got a few good hits while Thanos was off guard and then got beaten up once Thanos started fighting back. You're definitely right about Thor and the hammer part though. I actually hated the fact that he spends a film being told he doesn't need the hammer since that just channels part of his actual power then the next film he's in, he's like I need a Thanos killing weapon I think Dr Strange gets downplayed during Avengers films. He doesn't use the time stone in Infinity War, if I remember right he was about to use it and then Iron Man flew past him
@@Yearman8 He only uses it once, when he's looking ahead and determines that they only have one chance of winning. I do like that Thanos calls him out though. " You're full of tricks, wizard. But you never once used your greatest weapon...*crushes Eye of Agamotto*...a fake."
"Atleast Strange never really gets downplayed," Yeah, that would suck if they had like, say, Ebony Maw beat Strange in a 5 second one v one like he was manhandling a child rather than the sorceror supreme...
Powerful characters next to regular ones always is tough... its like when you have Superman, why do you need the rest of the League. I remember a comic where Hulk went on a rampage and owned all the Avengers without breaking a sweat and Vision phasing his hand into Hulk's heart was the only way to stop him. Maybe if they made it more clear he tries to avoid violence for fear of becoming the next Ultron it could at least go a little way to why h pulls his punches.
Vision is just another version of the superman problem. At his creation in the MCU he was supposed to be ultrons perfect body built out of vibranium so it couldn't be destroyed. Then he got added buffs beyond that with the mind stone. Dude is absurdly up and they have him play house. Been enjoying these videos. Could you do one on Icarus flying into the sun at the end of Eternals. He couldn't fly at super speeds so we get to imagine him floating through outer space for weeks or even months regretting his decisions 😅
Maybe Icarus can fly to superspeed. But in the atmosphere he don't because air friction will tend to make him combust. Out of atmosphere, then, he can get to superspeed without anything holding him back.
heroes used to use guns and kill people look old movies and i am not talking like the 90's movies i mean early MCU Captain America 1st avenger shooting a gun The Avengers 1 cap shooting a M16 black widow shooting guns ironman 1 & 2 traight up shooting people with the shoulder bullets things the winter soldier ..... Falcon used dual uzis or and vs ant man ... but at some point around for political reasons all heroes no bullet killing guns all electrical stunt lasers guns ..... and punching suddenly it shifted from young adults to straight up kids movies
@nickjunes it was. It was a political angle of the team debating the direction & consequential coordination of the team. Mixed in with a betrayal cover up story of murder? Sounds like a hit. Was a hit. And if you dont like it... hey man have at it ur opinion! Lol
And the airport battle in civil war was BS anyway because they weren't really trying to kill each other they were just playing around. That was one of the problems with the MCU certain fights. You just didn't take serious because you knew nothing was going to happen. They almost did the same thing with hulk. They reduced him to nothing too. That's one thing I liked about the dceu. No matter how powerful the character was, they always displayed it and was able to scale it to everything around them and still made it believable
Suspension of disbelief is a pre requisit for anyone trying to have a good time watching super-hero movies though otherwise you will always find something to critique 😅
Happens in the comics all the time as well. As someone who used to read the punisher comics, how many times they had to nerf more powerful characters to make it seem like punisher stood a chance. And I am sure DC has done this a ton of times to make batman an equal opponent.
Vision was not worthy of Mjolnir. Vision picking up the hammer is the same as the hammer not destroying any inanimate object that thor sits or lays it on. The hammer judges the soul. Vision was created with the mind stone. if he was created with the soul stone, then whether he's worthy or not could be judged.
@@ninjanibba4259 Vison's essence in the MCU is a combination of science and magic, so I would not go as far as saying he is not "real" in the narrative of films. In the comics his origins are not exactly the same but is described as a "Synthetic" human. Just because something is not natural it does no tnecessarily mean fake or not "real". Context is important and in the context of both the comics and films he is definitely portrayed as a sentient being, thus making him real.
Nah, he’s synthezoid, he’s basically a man and would be judged as such by Mjolnir. He was literally born yesterday at the time of lifting Mjolnir 😂 making him innocent, curious and free of corruption. He was essentially a highly intelligent baby with no corrupt heart.
The way it's portrayed, we're meant to think he's actually worthy. The fact that he'd just been born may be closer to the reason why than that he's not completely human.
The thing that is annoying is that he truly is powerful. The thing that’s holding him back is The Vision and the writing. They wanted The Vision to be the guy that wins his battles through wisdom and logic. A guy that only fights because he’s left no other option, but even then, he’ll still show restraint. Meanwhile, in the what-if universe where ultron successfully gets uploaded into the vision body, he no-diffed everyone. Bro sliced thanos in half the second he showed up. And he did that with the same laser attack that our Vision has access to, but never uses.
I always felt Vision was intended to be somewhat indecisive. Jarvis was not ever an AI with a lot of initiative. Ultron got a lot more Stark and Vision got a lot more Jarvis. So he was based on a passive character.
This is a really good video, but to be fair, I once read or saw a video on social media that explained that during Civil War, Vision was holding back so that he wouldn't seriously harm any of his fellow Avengers. However, I agree wholeheartedly about what you said about Vision and the weaker Avengers coming to the aid of Wanda and Vision in Infinity War. But I will admit, I still loved the story of Infinity War and the scene of Cap/Falcon/Black Widow coming to their rescue. 😂
He doesn't understand the mind stone or wield it's power in that manner. This why Wanda has better control over it than he does. She uses it against him and forces him to increase his density till he falls through the floors.
@@Lastjustice Even Wanda doesn't know much about the stone. She was unable to predict the attack on them in Avengers infinity war. The stone was clearly telling vision about an imminent attack. Further in comics vision does have mind control power.
@@rangocharlie007 She has a connection to the stone, and a better understanding of how control it than Vision does. She has telepathy/telekinesis, not being clairvoyant, so understandable she doesn't see the attack coming while Vision senses due to the stones being connected. Comic book characters tend to have way more powers than their movie counterparts, as it makes them easier to write. Thor has tons of powers movie Thor does not. This goes for many characters, it's rare the MCU version is stronger than the comic version of a character.
Yeah, I am a huge Vision fan and Civil War and Infinity War are quite frustrating when it comes to Vision. The infamous scene in what if where Ultron lasers Thanos in half made me realise that there is a narrative sollution to Visions lack of power, which is actually really interesting. Ultron created the Vision as the ultimate weapon and the What If Episode kind of confirms that Vision could take out all of the original Avengers plus Wanda and Quicksilver somehow. Well Visions Body could. The character and person Vision however couldn’t. Vision was always focused on becoming more human, or at least understanding them and existing among them. He never tried to develop himself the way Ultron would have, so he never reached the same power level as his counterpart in What If. All of that however is never explored, which is a real shame…
"instead of showcasing his capability as one of the Avengers' heaviest hitters, he's portrayed more as a distant, logical presence rather than a frontline fighter" erm, isn't that the whole point of the Vision though? That's literally the perfect description (to me) of what the Vision's character should be? Kind of like Beast. both Beast and Vision are ridiculously strong characters but they prefer using their minds.
@@92brunod It is, because Vision was specifically designed to defend Earth. So if he's ''As strong as ANY of us, possibly ALL of us'' as Tony Stark says, then he should serve his purpose when it matters, like in Infinity War.
1:52 in Endgame Cap's Shield was destroyed(which is also made from vibranium)by Thanos's giant blade. Isn't that the same material as Corvus Glaive's weapon?
Assuming both weapons are the same material, it doesn't make sense. Thanos needed multiple strikes to break through the shield, a relatively thin object. Meanwhile Glaive was able to stab all the way through Vision in one go. This would make Glaive several times as strong as Thanos, which is obviously contradicted by literally everything else.
@@General_JacksonYT Reread my comment. I'm saying that Thanos blade is made out of the same material as Glaive's polearm. So when comparing Thanos needing multiple strikes to cut through the shield, which is less than an inch thick in one of its dimensions, to Glaive stabbing all the way through Vision and more out the other end in one strike, while Vision's body has considerable width in every dimension, it would mean that Glaive is physically much stronger than Thanos. And then later in the same scene Glaive has trouble fighting Cap & 2 baseline humans.
Lifting the hammer has zero to do with strength. A dying cancer patient lifted it. A frog lifted it. Don't forget the Thor core. Vision debuted in 1968 and was nothing like what he would become. Forgive the MCU for not giving Vision all of his power in a 15 minute montage so he could represent the entire catalog of abilities. This whole take is from someone who just read a vision comic and is disappointed that vision isn't the strongest avenger. Every one of the Avengers go through power spikes and get depowered, in any comic or story each Avenger has been shown capable of being near the top power levels of any other Avenger and later shown to be a liability and needing protection. The powers scale according to the writers as they try to tell an interesting & compelling story. Finally it has also been cleared up the MCU isn't 616 so if the characters do not fit your exact image of what they should be consider that you're taking powers, abilities and attributes of an entirely different character from another story. This dumping on the MCU for the sake of it is incredibly weird as if we haven't all been watching it for the last 18 years. The MCU can drink now. And this back and fourth of the latest MCU movies and series are so much worse then the previous take vs the MCU was so much worse then we remember take I think has more to do with the entire generation in between that means maybe you just weren't the target audience for this movie.
It was total BS for Thanos to be able to rip the gem from Vision's forehead. He should not be able to come close to that strength. He should have at least needed a pair of adamantium pliers or aomething.
Most super hero movies do this. During the movie the hero’s and villains display great abilities but during the finale fight scene it’s most just punching and kicking.
The one thing i really wanted was him to acknowledge the fact that he's STILL technically Jarvis and would have his memories. He could have had some good moments bringing that up to Tony and talking about what it was like to be Jarvis
@@bestlaptop_psnAs cool as that would be it's untrue. Vision is a synthezoid. He is 100% machine. This is further shown in Wandavision. He is "worthy" in the same way the coat rack in Dark World is
@GabrielSipes-t3s false. Thor said he is worthy, so I am taking his word. And there is no comparison with a coat rack. These weapons can tell what something is. When Hulk tried to lift it it didn't bring down the entirety of the heli carrier.
Thank you! The oversights in consistency of ability amongst the heroes has always bugged me - surely the writers could not have been that lazy or that unimaginative?
I have to disagree with you on this one. Vision is a very powerful being, but I don't think wants to fight. They took him out in infinity war for a reason, and how they took him out of the story made sense. I feel like there are bigger plot holes and characters portrayed in worse ways. For example, captain marvel. She only showed up to kill thanos and wasnt shown in the movie at all until the final battle, which she didn't even do much. I also hate how they nerfed Thor like crazy to be on the same level as fucking Captain America.
You nailed this completely and I’ve been feeling this way for a while. 1. We should all know by now that Wanda is just about omega level, if not omega. She should’ve had Thanos by herself and would’ve had no problems dealing with both of his lieutenants. It would’ve been a joke. 2. Vision appeared to be almost omega level as well. He handled Ultron as if he was a rag doll, and that’s nothing to sneer at. I don’t believe for a second that Corvus Glaive would’ve gotten the best of him. 3. Given 1 and 2, vision and Wanda would’ve made mincemeat out of Thanos. They would’ve caught him before the reality stone, which wouldn’t have worked on them. Game over.
Your last line sums it up for me - Why in the world would you want that battle to end early? Sure, Vision has some power inconsistencies, but if he was utilized the way you want him to be, the movie would have ended without that team fight and we would all be annoyed. Sometimes a decision is made that isn't in-world logical but is better for the audience.
THANK YOU! I started collecting comic books (Both DC and Marvel) back in 1974, and stopped in 2003 when the comic craziness started. The Vision was my favorite marvel character, due to his ONCE unique powers, and his character arc. To finally see someone note the Vision's powers were under-used is refreshing, but then as with the dynamic of being a part of a super-group, expected. The video is now saved to my TH-cam FAVORITES folder. Thanks again.
Wonda should have never been able to destroy the mind stone, and Thanos should not have been able to break Vibranium with his hands. Also they did the same thing to the hulk, took all his power away in order to allow other characters to shine
the funniest part for me is still the fact that they showed on screen that sorcerer portals are specifically able to cut off arms, and then proceed to not attempt it in the most arm-cutting-off operation in the universe.
why? We saw in Wandavison that the mind stone amplified her powers and shes one of the most powerful characters in the mcu with her chaos magic, not to mention she is destined to rule/destroy the world stated in the darkhold
I never thought about Vision being nerfed (i was always more focused on Hulk getting nerfed) but you make excellent points, and you're absolutely right!
In defense of the MCU writers, they did write vision where it kinda does make sense. Vision was obviously holding back in civil war and he was sneak attacked in infinity war. Not to mention he was important to the plot of possessing the mind stone.
I’d argue that Vision isn’t a fighter. He detests violence, so does what he can to stay out of it. As for Wanda, she’s never been trained to use her powers. She’s made discoveries by tinkering with what she could do, but that’s it.
hulk, wanda, vision, thor, and captain marvel have to constantly constantly be fking nerfed because the other half of the team are essentially human except cap, slightly, comparatively. and forget about quicksilver, cuz they did.
I really do like the Marvel movies. But one of the problems I noticed is that they don't seem to have read the books and understand their characters, skill set, or what made them popular. I always liked the vision when I was a kid reading the books, and he did seem fairly unstoppable. They just didn't portray him anywhere close to that on screen
I agree with you on most of these. But Marvel had to figure out how to use an op chracter in the story to make the stakes high. You could say the same for the hulk as well.
Captain America was a normal dude before the serum. After the serum he gained super strength, durability (both physically and stamina wise), heightened awareness and intelligence....plus unlike most of the avengers (apart from Hawkeye, black widow, black panther, and Thor) he underwent a series of series of combat training.
It could also be that deep down, Vision is holding himself back, much like Goku held back against Fat Buu in order to let Goten and Trunks learn how to be more powerful..... But really, Marvel Studios just didn't want to have such an OP hero outshining their headliners. Could also be that Paul Bettany is getting up there in years and didn't want to invest in being a headliner.
All of your points are excellent. I've been wondering why Vision on the MCU has been so unsatisfying. He's much more powerful than they've ever let on.
When you make a movie with so many main characters, some have to take a step back or be the victims to make others shine. If you give each and every avengers even one moment of glory, you basically have no space left to tell an actual story...and the story in each movie already holds on a sticky note...
To avoid Thanos taking the mind stone from him, he should have reduced his density, fazed threw the ground 80km under the earths surface. Wouldn't need anyone to protect him down there!
I found it funny in what if where Ultron in visions body was able to immediately dispatch Thanos with only the mind stone, where as in infinity war their best plan is to destroy the mind stone.
That's the problem with practically all super powered super heroes. They get introduced as the invincible, be all, end all, can never lose character. But, then later the wriers/creator(s) are stuck in a corner having to think up nonsense to make the hero "in danger" for suspense. It's kind of dumb.
This is what I like from Jujutsu Kaisen. You have characters like Gojo who's the most powerful characters, or Mahoraga who's constantly adapting and reviving or even Sukuna, but they got some restrictions or flaws leaving them be vulnerable to characters or situations.
I wholly agree. I was always confused about how weak he and Wanda were in Infinity War, and was very confused how Cap and Black Widow would be the ones to save them when Vision and both way more powerful than Cap.
Makes sense in civil war, he didn’t want to go all out because he didn’t want to seriously injure his friends (tho he did end up accidentally doing that)
They definitely under used Vision! It kind of pissed me off. Though they get a pass for the airport battle. Everybody was holding back. There's an episode of "What If" where Ultron gets Vision's body. It was much more accurate about Vision's power.
Black widow, as we have seen many times in the comics long before the MCU began, is vulnerable when she gets emotional...which funny enough is one of her weaknesses "being emotional" ....oh and having an unstable mind.
It’s very hard to have characters as strong as Vision and use them in a logical way that still allows for a good compelling story. It reminds me of the show Titans where they have Super Boy. 90% of the situations they get into could have been resolved by just saying “uhh, SuperBoy, do your thing.”. But that doesn’t make for a good story. So, that character is sidelined to allow for the weaker characters to actually participate in the story.
Vision has always been difficult for the comics as well. At least in the early nineties when I was reading, Vision was a logical character that could do amazing things. But the plots and stories would have him either do nothing or be sidelined in some way so other characters could do their thing.
Vision lifting the hammer makes sense though cause he's technically not alive, he's a robot. They even had a conversation about how if you put the hammer in an elevator the elevator still goes up.
It was the same problem with Hulk, they lacked the story telling abilities to have his scenes be impactful while also not having the audience wonder "why don't we just use this guy for everything", so they made him some goofy green nerd.
What really annoyed me about The Vision in "Civil War" was that, after he had accidentally blasted War Machine, he could have swiftly and easily saved him from crashing, but he did nothing.
great point
He was compromised by Wanda. That was his entire issue that film. If someone's head isn't in the game they make mistakes. Hence he blasted Warmachine instead of Falcon.
Never occurred to me, but you're absolutely right!
@@Lastjustice he was so compromised he couldnt fly until after warmachine hit the ground????
@@freddychico3621 He was too focused on Wanda and was careless. I don't think he even realized what he did till was too late.
so what your saying is ......they lack a clear VISION for this character 🤗
Vision:"Your not funny"😊
@@andrebrown9580 🤣
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Wow I didn't See that one coming.
Just like Wanda lacked vision as well
They don't know how to scale power levels in the MCU
no shit, its almost like plot exists.
@General_JacksonYT plot has nothing to do with scaling the heros power level. If they can have superman Aquaman wonder woman and Batman in the same movie and all they powers and skills showed believably. MCU should be able to do it too . But they really don't . They have iroman fighting Thor to a stand still..which is kinda crazy
@@spectrexr1 agreed, it is kinda crazy.
@@General_JacksonYT it's always tripped me out in the MCU . Like when cap and bucky was beating ironman ass . But iroman was in a suit more powerful than the one he fought Thor to a stand still with lol. I'm like how two enhanced humans giving him the work in that suit. Eventually I was like y'all got it lol. Got use to it
@@spectrexr1 yeah
It's simple actually - starting with Civil War Vision is a pacifist. He is always holding back. I know it's a cliche in superhero movies, but it works perfectly for Vision. It was clear that he was remorsful about killing Ultron, and that was before he criplled Rhodes by accident.
Mind Stone made Vision physically extremly powerful, and at the same time mentaly unable to use all this power.
Yeah, but shooting that beam at Falcon was very out of character in the first place. If that beam had hit Falcon directly, it would have brought him down much faster with severe injuries from the beam
Im sure war machine wouldve caught him..........maybe
The whole scene doesn't really make sense at all. Vision could have easily caught Rhodes and probably caught up to cap in the quinjet aswell. They should have found a way to exclude Wanda and Vision from this fight in my opinion!
Then HISHE absolutely made a damn good point about destroying the plane well before they took off. no one gets hurt and everything is over.
@@Chrislmisl Look how many people complain about characters not being in the final Endgame scene (like the TVA, Eternals, Moon Knight, etc...). It would not have gone over well with the audience and this video would still exist if Wanda and Vision weren't in the airport battle :D
The show What if? Showed the full potential of vision when ultron takes over his body. Oooo boy the destruction he causes. Splitting thanos in half was the least bit of his terrifyingness.
0:36 - Yes, he, above all else, understands his powers. He understands the danger he offers, and he CHOOSES to be a pacifist. In What IF we get a peek into what someone like Ultron, with little regard to life, can do with said powers but none of the moral shackles. Vision was made to be a hero, but he just wants a peaceful human life.
1:08 - Because he is that much self aware, he sides with Tony and tries to be a guide to Wanda, who is also unbelievably powerful, with even more potential. He holds backs because he doesn't want to harm friends, and when he steps out of that line even slightly it immediately backfires on him. It's not inconsistent, it's perfectly consistent.
1:54 - Vibranium is not indestructible, it's not even the strongest metal in the universe, just a very rare, lightweight and strong alloy found on Earth. It has particular properties, like shock/wave absorption, but it's not the end all be all for metals in the MCU. Even Asgard had better stuff since way back in Thor 1.
2:20 - Vision is not a fighter. He is powerful, but he doesn't WANT to fight ever. He is a pacifist. And he got jumped and was injured the whole time. Wanda at that point is just a girl. She barely knows how to use her own powers (despite being very powerful). Before Age of Ultron, she opted for indirect confrontation, while being mentored by Cap and the other avengers she starts to be more of a hitter (Civil War) still with a very rudimentary use of her abilities, but after the split she goes back to a normal life and stops training. Meanwhile, Cap, Falcon, Black Widow are all active fighters, long-life soldiers, with decades of experience with fighting stronger/faster enemies. Fights (good ones) aren't just "stronger character wins". Context makes the fight. Wanda wouldn't even begin to understand her powers until WandaVision, of course she lost when she got jumped by people prepared to fight her. It's a similar to case as of why the Hulk seems much weaker when Banner is in control.
2:53 - Vision was created in a moment of desperation trying to stop Ultron from getting his final form. He stands as a juxtaposition to Ultron's ideals. Ultron was programmed to end conflict, and to that end he concluded he must end life. Even when Ultron was just a few scrapped robots, he was throwing down, he wanted that smoke, no chill. Vision, however, had no programming. When he woke up, he was a free living being, with the power to be anything he wanted, and he chose a normal life. That's the whole theme behind it. Vision just going full Ultron on someone, even the villains, would be the actual betrayal of his character. Rather, being a pacifist and mentor is exactly what he was meant to be.
Also, the claim they couldn't handle his power is absurd. Vision is not even at the top of the pole. His arc was crafted so Wanda would be in a moral dilemma and set up her next arc.
3:40 - Yes, he is a one of a kind life form that sees humanity from the outside. That's how he deals with the opposing qualities. You're basically stating what his character is and the themes he works as if that's a flaw and not the actual point.
I believe there were some problems with marvel even before endgame, but vision is not even close to being one of them. The video creator failed to understand that vision's desire to live a normal life wasn't inconsistency, it was a part of his arc. Completely agree with most of your points
Get of MCU Meat
The claim they couldn't handle his power is not absurd. Ultron in Vision's body literally one shots Thanos in the marvel what if show.
@@coolbeans3752 if you don't hate everything you're shilling wah wah wah
@burnttoast.2017 So did Thor, in that actual movie. The fact Thanos wasn't on Earth for the majority of the time already keeps him away of Vision, there is nothing writers had to worry about Vision's power. What they wanted however was to use him for Wanda's arc.
I feel like the MCU in general just glazes all over Iron man and Cap. The way they disrespect Wanda, Vision, Hulk and Thor in order for them to shine is insane. How was Thor a demigod losing to Thanos with both stormbreaker and mjolnir, while Cap was on par with him being just a super soldier with only mjolnir, what happened to the whole movie about Thor being strong beside his hammer? Atleast Strange never really gets downplayed, but it still pisses me off.
Tbf with Cap Vs Thanos, the same thing that happened with Hulk happened to Cap. Cap gets the drop on Thanos when he's not paying attention to him and gets a few good hits in. Then Thanos turns the tide and starts destroying him and then cuts into the shield. Hulk got a few good hits while Thanos was off guard and then got beaten up once Thanos started fighting back. You're definitely right about Thor and the hammer part though. I actually hated the fact that he spends a film being told he doesn't need the hammer since that just channels part of his actual power then the next film he's in, he's like I need a Thanos killing weapon
I think Dr Strange gets downplayed during Avengers films. He doesn't use the time stone in Infinity War, if I remember right he was about to use it and then Iron Man flew past him
@@Yearman8 He only uses it once, when he's looking ahead and determines that they only have one chance of winning. I do like that Thanos calls him out though. " You're full of tricks, wizard. But you never once used your greatest weapon...*crushes Eye of Agamotto*...a fake."
"Atleast Strange never really gets downplayed," Yeah, that would suck if they had like, say, Ebony Maw beat Strange in a 5 second one v one like he was manhandling a child rather than the sorceror supreme...
@@michaels5217 This was such a disappointment. Supposed to showcase the greatness of Ebony but all it did was made Strange look very weak.
@@Yearman8 he tried to use it but Ebony Maw disabled him
Powerful characters next to regular ones always is tough... its like when you have Superman, why do you need the rest of the League. I remember a comic where Hulk went on a rampage and owned all the Avengers without breaking a sweat and Vision phasing his hand into Hulk's heart was the only way to stop him. Maybe if they made it more clear he tries to avoid violence for fear of becoming the next Ultron it could at least go a little way to why h pulls his punches.
Vision is just another version of the superman problem.
At his creation in the MCU he was supposed to be ultrons perfect body built out of vibranium so it couldn't be destroyed.
Then he got added buffs beyond that with the mind stone.
Dude is absurdly up and they have him play house.
Been enjoying these videos. Could you do one on Icarus flying into the sun at the end of Eternals.
He couldn't fly at super speeds so we get to imagine him floating through outer space for weeks or even months regretting his decisions 😅
Maybe Icarus can fly to superspeed. But in the atmosphere he don't because air friction will tend to make him combust. Out of atmosphere, then, he can get to superspeed without anything holding him back.
@jeanrenaudsagswing no
There is no "Superman problem".
@revenantronin8377 oh, neat. Then what are we talking about?
Civil War was such a bad idea for a movie. Having the heros fight non lethally was doomed to have plot holes.
heroes used to use guns and kill people
look old movies and i am not talking like the 90's movies
i mean early MCU Captain America 1st avenger shooting a gun
The Avengers 1 cap shooting a M16 black widow shooting guns
ironman 1 & 2 traight up shooting people with the shoulder bullets things
the winter soldier ..... Falcon used dual uzis or and vs ant man ...
but at some point around for political reasons all heroes no bullet killing guns
all electrical stunt lasers guns ..... and punching
suddenly it shifted from young adults to straight up kids movies
Siblings fight alll the time and hold back aha
@@TruthTheChamp yeah that’s super interesting to watch
@nickjunes it was.
It was a political angle of the team debating the direction & consequential coordination of the team.
Mixed in with a betrayal cover up story of murder?
Sounds like a hit. Was a hit. And if you dont like it... hey man have at it ur opinion! Lol
And the airport battle in civil war was BS anyway because they weren't really trying to kill each other they were just playing around. That was one of the problems with the MCU certain fights. You just didn't take serious because you knew nothing was going to happen. They almost did the same thing with hulk. They reduced him to nothing too. That's one thing I liked about the dceu. No matter how powerful the character was, they always displayed it and was able to scale it to everything around them and still made it believable
Suspension of disbelief is a pre requisit for anyone trying to have a good time watching super-hero movies though otherwise you will always find something to critique 😅
Happens in the comics all the time as well. As someone who used to read the punisher comics, how many times they had to nerf more powerful characters to make it seem like punisher stood a chance. And I am sure DC has done this a ton of times to make batman an equal opponent.
Vision was not worthy of Mjolnir. Vision picking up the hammer is the same as the hammer not destroying any inanimate object that thor sits or lays it on. The hammer judges the soul. Vision was created with the mind stone. if he was created with the soul stone, then whether he's worthy or not could be judged.
...true that he picks it with ease due to the mind stone.
But the fact that the mind stone is part of him, it makes him worthy...
It’s neither of these, Vision is an android, he’s not real
The hammer is picked up by virtually nothing
In the comics, Adam Warlock wielded the Soul Gem, but it was changed to Vision in the adaptation due to his late introduction.
@@ninjanibba4259 Vison's essence in the MCU is a combination of science and magic, so I would not go as far as saying he is not "real" in the narrative of films. In the comics his origins are not exactly the same but is described as a "Synthetic" human. Just because something is not natural it does no tnecessarily mean fake or not "real". Context is important and in the context of both the comics and films he is definitely portrayed as a sentient being, thus making him real.
@@smoothdeep
He’s just a robot dawg
Its not just vision. Thor,Hulk and others recieved severe nerfs for no reason in the mcu, vision just got it the worst imo
0:40 he's a machine so he just wasn't judged
Nah, he’s synthezoid, he’s basically a man and would be judged as such by Mjolnir. He was literally born yesterday at the time of lifting Mjolnir 😂 making him innocent, curious and free of corruption. He was essentially a highly intelligent baby with no corrupt heart.
@@ElijahChikondiOr maybe it’s both.
So Steve, Tony and Thor preferred to believe. In actuality it's left ambiguous.
The way it's portrayed, we're meant to think he's actually worthy. The fact that he'd just been born may be closer to the reason why than that he's not completely human.
@@jen4532 Indeed. I'm surprised at the number of people who seem to take Tony and the others' obvious copium as the word-of-god truth.
The thing that is annoying is that he truly is powerful. The thing that’s holding him back is The Vision and the writing.
They wanted The Vision to be the guy that wins his battles through wisdom and logic. A guy that only fights because he’s left no other option, but even then, he’ll still show restraint.
Meanwhile, in the what-if universe where ultron successfully gets uploaded into the vision body, he no-diffed everyone. Bro sliced thanos in half the second he showed up. And he did that with the same laser attack that our Vision has access to, but never uses.
I always felt Vision was intended to be somewhat indecisive. Jarvis was not ever an AI with a lot of initiative. Ultron got a lot more Stark and Vision got a lot more Jarvis. So he was based on a passive character.
similar reason they underutilized the hulk. they dont know how to handle super powerful characters without making them seem unstoppable.
"Demonstrating both his worthiness and physical strength."
Pick one.
He got the Hulk treatment.
This is a really good video, but to be fair, I once read or saw a video on social media that explained that during Civil War, Vision was holding back so that he wouldn't seriously harm any of his fellow Avengers. However, I agree wholeheartedly about what you said about Vision and the weaker Avengers coming to the aid of Wanda and Vision in Infinity War. But I will admit, I still loved the story of Infinity War and the scene of Cap/Falcon/Black Widow coming to their rescue. 😂
Vision could easily control the mind of any one he touches... He could have controlled the villians... This power is also not used...
He doesn't understand the mind stone or wield it's power in that manner. This why Wanda has better control over it than he does. She uses it against him and forces him to increase his density till he falls through the floors.
@@Lastjustice Even Wanda doesn't know much about the stone. She was unable to predict the attack on them in Avengers infinity war. The stone was clearly telling vision about an imminent attack. Further in comics vision does have mind control power.
@@rangocharlie007 She has a connection to the stone, and a better understanding of how control it than Vision does. She has telepathy/telekinesis, not being clairvoyant, so understandable she doesn't see the attack coming while Vision senses due to the stones being connected. Comic book characters tend to have way more powers than their movie counterparts, as it makes them easier to write. Thor has tons of powers movie Thor does not. This goes for many characters, it's rare the MCU version is stronger than the comic version of a character.
They nerfed him big time after age of Ultron. Same thing happened to Bucky, Gamora, and of course Hulk.
Marvel has a knack for making overpowered heroes underpowered and vise versa!
Yeah, I am a huge Vision fan and Civil War and Infinity War are quite frustrating when it comes to Vision. The infamous scene in what if where Ultron lasers Thanos in half made me realise that there is a narrative sollution to Visions lack of power, which is actually really interesting. Ultron created the Vision as the ultimate weapon and the What If Episode kind of confirms that Vision could take out all of the original Avengers plus Wanda and Quicksilver somehow. Well Visions Body could. The character and person Vision however couldn’t. Vision was always focused on becoming more human, or at least understanding them and existing among them. He never tried to develop himself the way Ultron would have, so he never reached the same power level as his counterpart in What If. All of that however is never explored, which is a real shame…
They did the same with Hulk and they also really did Starlord a dirty one.
"instead of showcasing his capability as one of the Avengers' heaviest hitters, he's portrayed more as a distant, logical presence rather than a frontline fighter" erm, isn't that the whole point of the Vision though? That's literally the perfect description (to me) of what the Vision's character should be?
Kind of like Beast. both Beast and Vision are ridiculously strong characters but they prefer using their minds.
Except Beast isn’t one of X-Men’s heaviest hitters. He’s strong, for sure, but he’s not like Rogue,Colossus,Warpath or Juggernaut.
@@blaxpoitation8528 That's not important for the point being made
@@92brunod It is, because Vision was specifically designed to defend Earth. So if he's ''As strong as ANY of us, possibly ALL of us'' as Tony Stark says, then he should serve his purpose when it matters, like in Infinity War.
1:52 in Endgame Cap's Shield was destroyed(which is also made from vibranium)by Thanos's giant blade. Isn't that the same material as Corvus Glaive's weapon?
its made from uru, same as stormbreaker which is stronger then caps shield. so its not plot weakness related
Assuming both weapons are the same material, it doesn't make sense. Thanos needed multiple strikes to break through the shield, a relatively thin object. Meanwhile Glaive was able to stab all the way through Vision in one go. This would make Glaive several times as strong as Thanos, which is obviously contradicted by literally everything else.
@@gammoregan it's not the same bloody metal, Thanos blade is made out of Uru and caps shield is not. Thanos blade is way stronger than caps shield.
@@General_JacksonYT Reread my comment. I'm saying that Thanos blade is made out of the same material as Glaive's polearm. So when comparing Thanos needing multiple strikes to cut through the shield, which is less than an inch thick in one of its dimensions, to Glaive stabbing all the way through Vision and more out the other end in one strike, while Vision's body has considerable width in every dimension, it would mean that Glaive is physically much stronger than Thanos. And then later in the same scene Glaive has trouble fighting Cap & 2 baseline humans.
@gammoregan i remember that scene, and see your point.
Lifting the hammer has zero to do with strength. A dying cancer patient lifted it. A frog lifted it. Don't forget the Thor core.
Vision debuted in 1968 and was nothing like what he would become. Forgive the MCU for not giving Vision all of his power in a 15 minute montage so he could represent the entire catalog of abilities.
This whole take is from someone who just read a vision comic and is disappointed that vision isn't the strongest avenger. Every one of the Avengers go through power spikes and get depowered, in any comic or story each Avenger has been shown capable of being near the top power levels of any other Avenger and later shown to be a liability and needing protection. The powers scale according to the writers as they try to tell an interesting & compelling story.
Finally it has also been cleared up the MCU isn't 616 so if the characters do not fit your exact image of what they should be consider that you're taking powers, abilities and attributes of an entirely different character from another story.
This dumping on the MCU for the sake of it is incredibly weird as if we haven't all been watching it for the last 18 years. The MCU can drink now. And this back and fourth of the latest MCU movies and series are so much worse then the previous take vs the MCU was so much worse then we remember take I think has more to do with the entire generation in between that means maybe you just weren't the target audience for this movie.
What do you think the future holds for white vision?
It was total BS for Thanos to be able to rip the gem from Vision's forehead. He should not be able to come close to that strength. He should have at least needed a pair of adamantium pliers or aomething.
Let's put heavy hitters like Hulk, Thor and Vision in the movies.........then nerf them into oblivion!
Most super hero movies do this. During the movie the hero’s and villains display great abilities but during the finale fight scene it’s most just punching and kicking.
The one thing i really wanted was him to acknowledge the fact that he's STILL technically Jarvis and would have his memories. He could have had some good moments bringing that up to Tony and talking about what it was like to be Jarvis
Haven't kept up with the MCU after endgame, so I completely forgot there's a perfect clone of Vision that's just been fucking around all these years.
0:37 mjolnir isnt heavy. It just needs worthiness but vision also cant be worthy as its just a machine. So him picking it up means nothing at all.
Been a WHILE since ive watched these movie but isnt he capable of thought, like actual human thought?
hes more like cyborg cus he was made from vibranium and organic tissue
Couldn't be more wrong. Vision is worthy that is why he was able to pick up the hammer. It's not that hard to understand
@@bestlaptop_psnAs cool as that would be it's untrue. Vision is a synthezoid. He is 100% machine. This is further shown in Wandavision. He is "worthy" in the same way the coat rack in Dark World is
@GabrielSipes-t3s false. Thor said he is worthy, so I am taking his word. And there is no comparison with a coat rack. These weapons can tell what something is. When Hulk tried to lift it it didn't bring down the entirety of the heli carrier.
Thank you! The oversights in consistency of ability amongst the heroes has always bugged me - surely the writers could not have been that lazy or that unimaginative?
I have to disagree with you on this one. Vision is a very powerful being, but I don't think wants to fight. They took him out in infinity war for a reason, and how they took him out of the story made sense. I feel like there are bigger plot holes and characters portrayed in worse ways. For example, captain marvel. She only showed up to kill thanos and wasnt shown in the movie at all until the final battle, which she didn't even do much. I also hate how they nerfed Thor like crazy to be on the same level as fucking Captain America.
I think it's Uru. The metal used to forfe Thors hammer, maybe, and Thanos' blade; the weapon that broke Cap's shield.
That's probably what Corvus has
I, too, was pissed at how Vision was defeated so easily in Infinity Wars. Hulk and Vision. Two heroes potential never tapped.
big facts
Vision?! What about what they did to the hulk ! 😭 😤
Sacrificing consistent storytelling for the sake of one cool fightscene is the curse of superhero movies, and especially the MCU.
one thing I will point out (head canon) is that vision, the more he becomes "human" the less control over his powers he has
You nailed this completely and I’ve been feeling this way for a while.
1. We should all know by now that Wanda is just about omega level, if not omega. She should’ve had Thanos by herself and would’ve had no problems dealing with both of his lieutenants. It would’ve been a joke.
2. Vision appeared to be almost omega level as well. He handled Ultron as if he was a rag doll, and that’s nothing to sneer at. I don’t believe for a second that Corvus Glaive would’ve gotten the best of him.
3. Given 1 and 2, vision and Wanda would’ve made mincemeat out of Thanos. They would’ve caught him before the reality stone, which wouldn’t have worked on them. Game over.
He never really use the stone powers
Your last line sums it up for me - Why in the world would you want that battle to end early? Sure, Vision has some power inconsistencies, but if he was utilized the way you want him to be, the movie would have ended without that team fight and we would all be annoyed. Sometimes a decision is made that isn't in-world logical but is better for the audience.
Same reason why Hulk and Thor weren't in Civil War. They're just too powerful.
THANK YOU! I started collecting comic books (Both DC and Marvel) back in 1974, and stopped in 2003 when the comic craziness started. The Vision was my favorite marvel character, due to his ONCE unique powers, and his character arc. To finally see someone note the Vision's powers were under-used is refreshing, but then as with the dynamic of being a part of a super-group, expected. The video is now saved to my TH-cam FAVORITES folder. Thanks again.
For one it comes down to training and experience with cap and black widow compared to scarlet and vision.
Wonda should have never been able to destroy the mind stone, and Thanos should not have been able to break Vibranium with his hands. Also they did the same thing to the hulk, took all his power away in order to allow other characters to shine
the funniest part for me is still the fact that they showed on screen that sorcerer portals are specifically able to cut off arms, and then proceed to not attempt it in the most arm-cutting-off operation in the universe.
why? We saw in Wandavison that the mind stone amplified her powers and shes one of the most powerful characters in the mcu with her chaos magic, not to mention she is destined to rule/destroy the world stated in the darkhold
Thanos had five of the six infinity stones on him when he did that to Vibranium. If he couldn't break it, he had bigger issues with his plan.
agreed. Vision is one of my favorites and is a very powerful Avenger
In Civil War everyone was purposefully holding back while they were fighting each other.
I never thought about Vision being nerfed (i was always more focused on Hulk getting nerfed) but you make excellent points, and you're absolutely right!
In defense of the MCU writers, they did write vision where it kinda does make sense. Vision was obviously holding back in civil war and he was sneak attacked in infinity war. Not to mention he was important to the plot of possessing the mind stone.
I’d argue that Vision isn’t a fighter. He detests violence, so does what he can to stay out of it. As for Wanda, she’s never been trained to use her powers. She’s made discoveries by tinkering with what she could do, but that’s it.
Get a pair of glasses, problem solved
hulk, wanda, vision, thor, and captain marvel have to constantly constantly be fking nerfed because the other half of the team are essentially human except cap, slightly, comparatively. and forget about quicksilver, cuz they did.
I really do like the Marvel movies. But one of the problems I noticed is that they don't seem to have read the books and understand their characters, skill set, or what made them popular.
I always liked the vision when I was a kid reading the books, and he did seem fairly unstoppable. They just didn't portray him anywhere close to that on screen
1:33 he supposed to unleash on the other avengers?
1:40 I believe it's like "Glave". Like the weapon he uses.
When Vision meets Thanos in the cartoon it was over in 3 seconds.😊
I agree with you on most of these. But Marvel had to figure out how to use an op chracter in the story to make the stakes high. You could say the same for the hulk as well.
This is even more apparent when we see him effortlessly slice Thanos in half in What If
It's the same as the Martian Manhunter problem in DC. If you utilize him to his full potential, nobody else gets to do much.
Hard to believe. But bro's spitting the facts🙌🏻🫂
His costume rocked!
The problem is Eye Candy scenes and Personality Hierarchy are more important than plot/character/powerDynamics integrity.
Captain America was a normal dude before the serum. After the serum he gained super strength, durability (both physically and stamina wise), heightened awareness and intelligence....plus unlike most of the avengers (apart from Hawkeye, black widow, black panther, and Thor) he underwent a series of series of combat training.
Literally, never thought about vision even when he was on screen. My least favorite screen presence in the MCU.
The real corner they wrote themselves into was the Mind Stone. They had to get the stone to Thanos after having put it in his head.
Bravo, well presented point.
Completely agree.
He should essentially be immortal
It could also be that deep down, Vision is holding himself back, much like Goku held back against Fat Buu in order to let Goten and Trunks learn how to be more powerful..... But really, Marvel Studios just didn't want to have such an OP hero outshining their headliners. Could also be that Paul Bettany is getting up there in years and didn't want to invest in being a headliner.
All of your points are excellent. I've been wondering why Vision on the MCU has been so unsatisfying. He's much more powerful than they've ever let on.
When you make a movie with so many main characters, some have to take a step back or be the victims to make others shine. If you give each and every avengers even one moment of glory, you basically have no space left to tell an actual story...and the story in each movie already holds on a sticky note...
To avoid Thanos taking the mind stone from him, he should have reduced his density, fazed threw the ground 80km under the earths surface. Wouldn't need anyone to protect him down there!
At least What if showed us his real potential. Let’s hope we get to see him using this potential in Vision’s quest
I found it funny in what if where Ultron in visions body was able to immediately dispatch Thanos with only the mind stone, where as in infinity war their best plan is to destroy the mind stone.
That's the problem with practically all super powered super heroes. They get introduced as the invincible, be all, end all, can never lose character. But, then later the wriers/creator(s) are stuck in a corner having to think up nonsense to make the hero "in danger" for suspense. It's kind of dumb.
This is what I like from Jujutsu Kaisen. You have characters like Gojo who's the most powerful characters, or Mahoraga who's constantly adapting and reviving or even Sukuna, but they got some restrictions or flaws leaving them be vulnerable to characters or situations.
he doesn't feel like a character but more like Scarlet Witch's accessory
same with "Quicksilver," he don't do anything but die
I wholly agree. I was always confused about how weak he and Wanda were in Infinity War, and was very confused how Cap and Black Widow would be the ones to save them when Vision and both way more powerful than Cap.
Excellent, accurate commentary.
He's just not "popular" enough to get more screen time in a 2-hour movie.
I always got the impression that he was too conflicted to use his full power in any one situation. Most of the time, anyway.
Makes sense in civil war, he didn’t want to go all out because he didn’t want to seriously injure his friends (tho he did end up accidentally doing that)
Welcome to comics. This has been going on with powerful characters for the better part of a century.
They definitely under used Vision! It kind of pissed me off. Though they get a pass for the airport battle. Everybody was holding back. There's an episode of "What If" where Ultron gets Vision's body. It was much more accurate about Vision's power.
Black widow, as we have seen many times in the comics long before the MCU began, is vulnerable when she gets emotional...which funny enough is one of her weaknesses "being emotional" ....oh and having an unstable mind.
Can Vision create matter for his cape ?!?!
You are on point! Vision would have been almost unbeatable. He is close in power to Thor.
I’ve felt like this for years now😭
I’ve actually enjoyed Vision every Step of the Way. I can’t wait for Vision Quest. Now Hulk, that’s a character who’s been lowballed
It’s very hard to have characters as strong as Vision and use them in a logical way that still allows for a good compelling story. It reminds me of the show Titans where they have Super Boy. 90% of the situations they get into could have been resolved by just saying “uhh, SuperBoy, do your thing.”. But that doesn’t make for a good story. So, that character is sidelined to allow for the weaker characters to actually participate in the story.
Vision has always been difficult for the comics as well. At least in the early nineties when I was reading, Vision was a logical character that could do amazing things. But the plots and stories would have him either do nothing or be sidelined in some way so other characters could do their thing.
They have a Superman level character with no clearly defined kryptonite… except a magic vibranium piercing spear.
"Worthiness?" No he was a robot, that's how he lifted the hammer.
Vision lifting the hammer makes sense though cause he's technically not alive, he's a robot. They even had a conversation about how if you put the hammer in an elevator the elevator still goes up.
He's like J'onn in the DCAU. He's got more powers than superman so they just made him stay on the watchtower or none of the other heros would shine
That made him a pacifist when they should've had him 'pacifist' through Thanos' grape dome.
It was the same problem with Hulk, they lacked the story telling abilities to have his scenes be impactful while also not having the audience wonder "why don't we just use this guy for everything", so they made him some goofy green nerd.