(2) I Don't Like the Idea of "No Birth and No Death" in Buddhism | Thich Nhat Hanh, 2014 06 21
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- Thich Nhat Hanh answers a question on the last day of the 21 Day Retreat in June, 2014.
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Breathing in, I know that Thay is with me.
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Breathing out, I know we are all together
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I have been slowly practicing Buddhism over the years. Recently it has become the major part of my life and mind. Thay has been a great teacher to me the past few months. Dealing with sexual abuse as a child, suicide has always been a struggle for me. My mind always opens to the words of Thay. This is the first time I've realized that suicide is not an annihilation for suffering. Thay's words always create joy in me. Meditation and dharma has brought so much truth, hope and joy into my life.
I appreciate you.
my dear, I hope you will learn to live with this deep pain. I embrace you. You are brave.
Sending you love
" darling , i know you suffer and i am here for you.." Thay taught us .we share similar journeys , friend ,and you are not alone ..thank you for your courageous practice .
Thank you everyone for your kind words. I wanted to express the impact that Thay's words has had on me, and that it might help someone in need. I have come to realize that other people's suffering is my suffering, and my suffering is other people's suffering. I believe when we realize this, we can help to eliminate suffering as a community.
Bless this man for speaking his truth, it takes great courage. It’s a good question. It is touching to hear the people laugh in a way that is welcoming to his question and not laughing at him. A great moment.
His wisdom in his speech is a true reflection of the clarity of his mind.
Nice to know that many of us don't want to return to this existence.
Dear Thay doesn't laugh at him as the students do, he understands the man in so much distress.
Personally, I didn't feel like they were laughing at him but more at the ... wrong views held by so many people as a whole? It's not so much a laughing at your wrong view but more like a "we see your confusion, let's help you." Right?
@@bastian6173 Gosh, I hadn't thought of that awful possibility - you're suggesting they were patronising him? As in "sweet, silly boy, you have so much to learn"? What arrogance that would add to the lack of empathy in evidence whether they were patronising him, or (as I first took it to be) just unable to fathom that someone might not consider living forever to be a blessing - how privileged they are to be so untouched by suffering that they have so little empathy for someone brave enough to express his cry for help, and to finish it even with so many ridiculing his pain.
I hope they learned from Thay's embrace of the questioner's point of view as valid and, indeed, one he has often come across, and for which he had an answer. I hope it helped him.
@@HandmadeDarcy beware of projecting assumptions onto people’s motives. Often people will laugh out of nervousness, especially when a challenging thought arises. We can’t know what another is thinking 🙏🏻
@@SusanHopkinson There is also a teaching of Buddha in one of Thay's books that warns that our perceptions are often wrong and cause misunderstandings and suffering among us. It's best to acknowledge the idea, our feelings, and our perceptions; and let it pass as we ask for clarification so misunderstandings are not caused.
clear empathy laughs
Thank you, Plum Village, for uploading these at such a raw moment in time. Hearing his voice, his teachings brings comfort to the soul. 🙏🏻🌿
Same here. Comfort yes, but truth. He's seems to get quite close to it.
"that is a good smile," Thay said twice after his teaching was received. Thay's loving and understanding appreciation of the young man's smile is one of the most beautiful moments I think I have ever witnessed. That I have ever taken in. Just absolute love and kindness and seeing and joy at having communicated clearly and at having helped to relieve another person. The miracle of mindfulness indeed.
A beautiful response to this question of desiring either an immortal self (ego) or wanting no self (annihilation) ✧
annihilation is as much ego as immortality is
I used to be so afraid to die because I thought my identity, with all its fears and panics would die with me. Through the years I have learned that this identity is not the real me. It is just a bunch of thoughts that I used to believe was me. Now I know that the real me, (or the "I am") is a deep impersonal peace that has no identity. It is that life force that was not born and will not die.
I’m so happy that guy had the stones to ask this question, it’s a query I’ve been harboring in my own secret greasy heart for some time 😸🙏🏼🦋
....it is sad..makes my heart hurt for them..the humans seem to only be able to comprehend the linear existence..seeing Only as far as their bodies go..they want immortality IN those same bodies, forever, or..nothing....they do not understand the soul or Spirit...& how it only resides temporarily in forms...moving from one to another in it's education & evolution...
This is immortality, to keep moving, keep growing, keep evolving..until it reaches a stage where it is Complete..then..it exists as whatever it Wants to exist as.
There is Nothing to fear in this..it is an Enjoyable experience..& we should Embrace it, not fear or dread it. - Zoe
I place no bad intentions on those laughing at the question but for the questioner and those listening it is a vital one and one l think you have to have many times in order to be able know what you’re aiming at. Even if it appears silly to you, unless you’re enlightened then some of those issues he raises are an obstacle. Thay of course holds him and his question in his love and wisdom.
I met Thay in Birmingham 🇬🇧 35 years ago and remember the tears l shed knowing that there were really human beings who were what they espoused, what they taught, they were in essence.
Thank you dear Thay, please appear clearly again soon to these clouded eyes and bring even more beings to freedom.
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Thank you Thay, so much. As a therapist, I meet people every day who ask this question, "Why should I bother to keep living? Why should I keep suffering?" And I struggle so hard to help them. This is so helpful and good wisdom which I will take into my heart as I keep trying to hep others who suffer; it helps me, too. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us through all the years of your life, thank you Thay. Please be at peace. And thank you, Plum Village, for sharing with us.
Susan thank you for the post. I think the best therapy advice I ever gotten is to turn my hobby of writing songs into a small business. (Pro-Writer/Contractor)
It's a valid question. Who can quantify another's pain? Who am I to tell someone they should choose suffering over death?
@@Kim.Miller Absolutely valid. That's exactly where I struggle. The young people I work with are not shallow thinkers; they have very deep and considered reasons for wanting to end their suffering and they know that, should they truly decide to act on those impulses, I really have no way to stop them. But I have to operate under the premise that it is my job to try to help them forward, to see value in their lives. I love They's take on this because he identifies the all or nothing way people sometimes approach existence while suggesting that there is something to experience beyond either suffering or enjoying, something deeper. He answers with some degree of humour, but one can see he takes the question absolutely seriously and perceives the man's pain through the slight snark of his way of asking.
@@btsdancestudio5691 And I see you may be my fellow Army!
@@susan1302 Susan you are Army member?
With this kind of wisdom, is it any wonder, that we are all suffering so deeply for losing this precious man. Full of wisdom, and wonder. Absolutely one of a kind xxx
We have to overcome that notion though. That we have lost him. Thay is still with you.
Nothing is lost and nothing is gained. In our existence or manifestation, it is whether we fail to see the Ultimate Truth and therefore choose to find "faults" with the cosmic (natural) flow of events leading to conflicts which leads to suffering, or we just choose to accept the cosmic flow as we know it and then become content, free and happy with everything as they manifest before our eyes.
Listening to these teachings I can feel Thay continuing in all of us. Love you Thay.
The fellow who asked the question must have been pleased by the seriousness with which Thay answered his question, after it had elicited laughter from other people there.
Wow, I'm literally crying watching this. Thank you, Thay. For the truth.
3:50 When Thay says, “… there are those who are tired of life…” he pauses and gazes at the young man with such compassion 💗. I had felt sad when I heard the students laughing at the young man’s question; it seemed disrespectful and non-inclusive. I hope Thay’s response has helped him.
"non-inclusive", lol
@@suspiciouswatermelon7639 i don't get it, why did you laugh?
@@nicoly131 His ID insults Jewish people, don’t even bother with him.
Help us, Thay, as we mourn your passing; may we know you are here with us.
I already love this man. He has courage. But he is rewarded by laughter.
This is now one of my favorite excerpts of Thây. Thank you so much. Thây, I love you so much. I know you are still here; I feel it has allowed me to see that much deeper that the Buddha is still here as well. Namaste
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So much compassion and empathy in this man. I am thankful for his life and his legacy that exists in every person who had the opportunity to hear his words. The world is infinitely better for him having passed this way.
Coming and Going in Freedom... may all beings be free.
Such loving insight and confidence what a bright flame in the darkness of despair ♥️🙏♥️
he is the type of guy you wish you had as a grandad!
Thank you Venerable Thay. This teaching of you have helped me a lot to suffer less. My love and honor to your great soul. Evangelina Cortes.
Thank you so much for putting these wonderful videos in youtube! I am so grateful for Thay and his words of healing! And I' so grateful also to you who do the service to do the work of cutting the videos, so I can hear the words. This way, Thay has been my teacher the last couple of years . Thank you so much!
🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 Namo AMITABHA 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 THẦY vẫn ở mãi trong LÒNG của CHÚNG CON❤️❤️❤️ Dear TEACHER, You will forever stay in our HEART and our MIND ❤️❤️❤️.....🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 Namo AMITABHA 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 THẦY vẫn ở mãi trong LÒNG của CHÚNG CON❤️❤️❤️ Dear TEACHER, You will forever stay in our HEART and our MIND ❤️❤️❤️....🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 Namo AMITABHA 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 THẦY vẫn ở mãi trong LÒNG của CHÚNG CON❤️❤️❤️ Dear TEACHER, You will forever stay in our HEART and our MIND ❤️❤️❤️
Trop beau ! Trop vrai ! Trop bon !
L'intelligence et le cœur à leur plus haut point. Désarmant de justesse.
Qui se prolonge dans un sourire partagé de compréhension, de paix, de joie, d'amour, de vérité. Thay, un enseignant de Vie !
Life on Earth is like a temporary stopover on a highway. When the time is up, we all go Home.
I hope this young man got the help he was asking for. I thought it was funny at first too but since I often feel this way myself I got pretty concerned as the video went on. I sense a suffering I understand very well, being bipolar and whatnot. People like us often stare into the abyss when our emotions become too chaotic and it's easy to experience the intense desire to just die and be done with it. Bless him and I hope he finds the support he needs. Although when he mentioned boredom, I can't lie, I found that hilarious - I have had the same thought before as well. When I believed in God I used to think, How boring, to know everything all the time! Now I don't really believe in one god like that anymore. Anyways... Also, bless and cherish Thay for his beautiful handling and answer to this delicate question. He was a timeless jewel.
God knowing everything is not boring at all...when you know everything you at the same time experience everything..that means that all suffering becomes intense Joy.. and God is joyful being ..dont give up on Him..He has always been your source of happiness..
"That is a good smile" : ) Thank you Thay for such deep teaching! Thank you Plum Village for uploading the video!
"that is a good smile," Thay said twice. His loving understanding appreciation of the young man's smile is one of the most beautiful moments I think I have ever witnessed. Just absolute love and kindness and seeing and joy at having communicated clearly and helped to relieve another person. The miracle of mindfulness indeed.
Texas, USA sends love to all Vietnam in honor of Thay and the imprint he has made on us. 🇻🇳
His energy continues to enlighten the world. Let us love each other! ❤💛❤💛
Healing the world, how beautiful❤❤❤
I Don't know much about Buddhism but I revere Buddha the most. What Buddha has said " No Birth and No Death" is absolutely true though it is hard to accept and perceive for the dearth of our scientific and philosophical knowledge.
Non existence is death. Fuck that thought. To be infinity gone forever
@@benji-5796 you are entangled in the thoughts that this illusionary materialistic world has imbued in you.
@@abhijitchatterjee7408 this Buddha says once we are dead there is no more. Only we live on in others memories. We all have the same ending whether you are a Buddha, a Christian Muslim or a non religious person.
A listener asked "what happens when you die?"
Master Hanh replied "what happens when you die - is YOU don't die!"
Sure, One's Unborn True inner Nature never dies! Neither stills nor moves. When the physical body & mind die, One's Nature is back to its original formless Home!
The form is as much home as the formless
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That which is home is neither form nor formless. It's formlessness!
@@siewkonsum7291 philosophically approaching it by a positive is complete misunderstanding
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That which is home is neither form nor formless! 🤭
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Since 'it is empty', how to approach it philosophically in any manner to cause misunderstanding?
Thank you, Thay. It is such a brilliant, happy to be with you...
thank you Thay. Thank you young man. your question has helped the world a lot, including me.
Thanku for these short talks
What an incredible question. This has bothered me as well.
Dear Brothers and Sisters on TH-cam, at ~3:21 Thay says "And we have to understand", but in the subtitles it says "And we have to seek", which makes a big difference obviously. Maybe someone from the Sangha could correct this? Will also make a contact via the official website!
Om Shanti, dear Thay! Wishing you all the best. I didn't realise how much you actually had an impact within the last years on me! May your work continue to have a positive influence in the world and nourish our aspiration to help all beings!
Om Shanti, Om Frieden from Germany!
I will continue to listen to your convincing words that always help the soul. You're with me all the time. "Good smile."
E.T. told us a while ago… phone Ohm.. meditate, keep spreading love to others, especially those who are vibrating on a low frequency, they need it the most. we gotta take ourselves home or back to the true nature of this planet through WORK. stay in touch with Mother Nature, stay strong willed in the sometimes lonely journey of fulfilling your purpose, if you feel pulled towards light work, don’t hesitate and just give in already. let the world hear your voice, see your face, hear your message! we each have some unique skill that can help wake the rest up. if you need support let me know i will do what i can. peace and love ❤️🌈💜🌞🍀
Beautiful! Thank you!
Génial Thich Nhat Hanh ! Bi merci Thank you mondial
That's why Nibbana is the goal. It's not like being there, or not being there. The elements falling apart a last time and the mind take no new Form. It's like a fire without oxygen and fuel. It stops. But this a are other levels of Buddhism. Step by step my young friend!
Amazing question and amazing answer!
What you think you are goes away. What you really are never goes away.
This is the video that needs millions of views.
Great question and answer wow
RIP ! oh the exalted one
What a blessing!
I have same question , I felt so much stress in this kind of feeling, it takes all myhappiness at once when its comes, and its happen to me since very little kid.just see life as a sorrow and gloomy. I start learn about spirituality and meditation to find help.
thank you thay
Thank you!
His English is just fine...... Also he is Wright.......... CRISTIAN WE NOW THAT AFTER DEATH IS JUST REAL LIFE IS THE BEGENIG OF ETERNAL LIGHT... ALTHOW....
WE START TUCHING LIGHT HERE AND NOW...... ONLY JESUS SAID I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND LIFE...... AND FOR ME IS SO TRUE...... THAT'S WHY AFTER 30 YEARS OF ZEN I AM BACK TO JESUS.....
ANY WAY I LOVE AND RESPECT TICH NAHC HAN.... I LOVE AND TREASURE HIS POETRY.....GOD BLESS HIM....ALWAYS NOW THAT HE IS IN THE LIGHT.... FOR EVER... 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️
He doesn't need your god to bless him. He only wants you can have right view but I see you still have wrong view. Your god is very powerful as you think, but he still needs you talk on behalf for him :)
Right, not Wright. A wright is a creator of something like a shipwright, wainwright, wheelwright etc
Wright from worht 'make, create ' Right from riht.
Is there a transcript of this? I could follow about 90% and would like the other 10%!
Himmel so nehm ichs wahr
ist so total klar HALLELUJA 🙏👍🏼👌🤝❤😊
He was so wise!
❤❤ RIP ❤❤
Hobby=Happiness!
Nothing is created. Nothing is destroyed. Everything is constantly changing.
When this is understood, then all is understood.
Also the complete abandonment of "self" or putting "yourself" into "senarios", like this gentleman's question. The "senarios" are the notions that Thay mentioned. They exist only as a figment of human imagination, and they don't reflect the actual reality. Because the reality is everything in nature, is in a constant state of change, or transformation, it doesn't matter or has any care what notions you may have.
@@johnmonk3381 The so called self is also a figment of human imagination so really there is nothing to abandon.
With respect to the individual who asked the question, it makes me sad that someone privileged enough to have a human existence is so ungrateful and unimaginative to complain about it being boring. Some people fight tooth and nail every single day to survive and exist while this person's easy existence makes him bored. He has life lessons ahead and I am convinced that they will be anything but boring.
If I was this man's teacher I might have been tempted to look him right in the eye and ask him when he last had a nice fuck.
@@petermartin9494 The 8 noblepath are right view, right resolve, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right concentration. It comes from an appreciation that if there are correct views, then there must be wrong views also. One cannot exist without the other. Therefore it is not right to bash up the other if they fail to appreciate the right view. Hence, right resolve, right speech and right mindfulness to gently persuade and convince the subject into the correct view. The key is tolerance (and buddhism is always about tolerance) and not an insistence that the subject must subscribe to the right view via the harsh approach that you mentioned earlier. In fact it will be counterproductive, and may make the subject resentful. Thank you for the discussion and I think you may need some lessons yourself either! 🙂
@@johnmonk3381 I am here to learn, and so are you. Sometimes we need a hard kick to move us in the right direction and at other times a gentle nudge. We can only hope to be blessed to have a teacher who understands our needs.
Thank you for taking the time to teach me.
It is true that I suffer from intolerance. When I see selfishness and a lack of appreciation for the blessings that have been bestowed upon a person I feel annoyed. I will calmly put this feeling aside, let it go and hope that the person will receive learning.
Imagine being born in a poor family in a developing country. Working from dusk to dawn to support yourself. Not having access to nutritious food or clean water. Watching your parents die from easily treatable diseases. Watching your children die because you can not provide for them properly. (This is the life of hundreds of millions of people, as we speak). Then seeing an entitled person who has had great riches throughout his life, leisure and the freedom to travel and do as he pleases have the audacity to complain that his life is boring. How could he have been given such a jewel and then show it nothing but contempt?
It's the scientific concept of energy cannot be created or destroyed only turned into other forms of energy. And seems to me they're equating the universe in its totality to this higher "self". Both space (feminine) and matter (masculine) with a third observer or vessel, I Am or big daddy dick you me whatever. A trinity. What about entropy the predicted heat death of the universe at the end of "time? " I Think I already know the answer by the way but I'm curious to here others thoughts. The obvious answer would be simply to say ohh it just dies for a while then comes back with another big bang in an endless cyclical universes. But where does "totality" or "all" go when it goes to sleep lol
LOVE LOVE LOVE
....it is sad..makes my heart hurt for them..the humans seem to only be able to comprehend the linear existence..seeing Only as far as their bodies go..they want immortality IN those same bodies, forever, or..nothing....they do not understand the soul or Spirit...& how it only resides temporarily in forms...moving from one to another in it's education & evolution...
This is immortality, to keep moving, keep growing, keep evolving..until it reaches a stage where it is Complete..then..it exists as whatever it Wants to exist as.
There is Nothing to fear in this..it is an Enjoyable experience..& we should Embrace it, not fear or dread it.
There is no soul
@@benji-5796 ok
exactly my feelings....best time for discussion about the illusion
i found his teaching parallel with teachings of advait vedenta, great scholar , enlightened being.
It's interesting to hear people laugh at this conversation.
Yes, says a whole bunch of things
I think it hit something within them that they were also somewhat uncertain about.
What are the five aggregates of Buddhism?
An answer from Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh.
…When you look into a person, you see five skandhas, or elements: form, feelings, perceptions, mental formations, and consciousness. There is no soul, no self, outside of these five, so when the five elements go to dissolution, the karma, the actions, that you have performed in your lifetime is your continuation. What you have done and thought is still there as energy. You don’t need a soul, or a self, in order to continue.
It’s like a cloud. Even when the cloud is not there, it continues always as snow or rain. The cloud does not need to have a soul in order to continue. There’s no beginning and no end. You don’t need to wait until the total dissolution of this body to continue-you continue in every moment. Suppose I transmit my energy to hundreds of people; then they continue me. If you look at them and you see me, well, you have seen me. If you think that I am only this [points to himself], then you have not seen me. But when you see me in my speech and my actions, you see that they continue me. When you look at my disciples, my students, my books, and my friends, you see my continuation. I will never die. There is a dissolution of this body, but that does not mean my death. I continue, always.
That is true of all of us. You are more than just this body because the five skandhas are always producing energy. That is called karma or action. But there is no actor-you don’t need an actor. Action is good enough. This can be understood in terms of quantum physics. Mass and energy, and force and matter-they are not two separate things. They are the same.
- Thich Nhat Hanh
So he does not believe in atman, or the eternal soul? Or is it that "energy" or "action" is his definition of the eternal soul?
@@8thousevirgin Buddhism does not teach the doctrine of the immortality of a soul after death like other religions. But we may call the energy of actions, words and mind are the eternal soul,
but it is governed by the law of impermanence after death.
That's called A Legacy.
💡🕯Namaste♾🙏♻️♾♻️🙏
Master is wise and knowledgeable,
Also he looks like baby Yoda 😊..
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Sorry. This is the one thing that I never really understood in Buddhism.
If you think that there's no birth, ask a mother who delivered her baby. It's not just a construction or notion that we can overcome by somehow "looking deeply".
If you are the energy in your mind ❤️ your current identity is the contruction of this energy in your mind at this moment. But this energy also existed before the child and after the child. Your spirit is everywhere and everything, you are energy, their is birth and death in the sense of things changing but never being destroyed or created. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed but can change.
You existed before this identity and will after. You have always existed. And you might have been many things through the out the eternitys or just a few things throughout the eternitys depending on your choice or the parts of energy's that make up your distinct energy or who you are right now. But the energy of the universe is always in a state fluctuatation.
The only thing wrong with this, is our construction or ideas we have against this reality inside.
But deep down things just are, things are what they are. And deep deep deep deep down it's all okay.
Perhaps energy in beings have evolved into God's on other planets, and they have determined ways in which the construction of a part of this eternal energy called existence can stay in and of its own part its own being and can stay in that construction with enough wisdom and experience and the orderly and wise nature of that loving God and what's he's learned. But deep down we are all energy. One thing (life), but parts and living constructions. Even the rock is life but has less agency to move and think and be as aware as does a moving organism, all are beautiful.
We are just made up of energy and energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It can be transferred from one form to the other. We are all spirits. Once we realize our true nature then we Ultimately gets disolved with the Source or father or Universe. That's y we say ur buddha nature is within u so go within urself to realize it.
Hi, my friend. It is great to question concepts in Buddhism critically so that through investigation, we can acquire the deepest form of understanding; I encourage you to continue to voice that which doesn’t make sense to you.
On the topic of no birth, no death in Buddhism-Buddhism holds central to its belief that all forms within the universe are intrinsically and inextricably tied together through the law of Inter-Being. Inter-Being, also known as non-duality, is the understanding that black’s relationship to white, up’s relationship to down, good’s relationship to evil, and birth’s relationship to death are all inextricable. Since there cannot exist the concept of black without white, they therefore come together to create one totality. The totality existing beyond the binary modes of black and white/birth and death is in fact, the deepest and most pure form of our existence.
Notice in yin and yang-a visual representation of non-duality-that the totality is in existence without the annihilation of either black or white. In this way, we can understand that such is the nature of our world. Not one, not two. On one level, it is indeed true that an innumerable number of beings/forms are being created every single moment with just as many disappearing at the same time. Simultaneously, at the same time however, the innumerable forms that are coming and passing away are but a temporal manifestations of the true nature of reality, i.e the totality that exists beyond duality.
What’s very important to understand about non-duality is that it transcends both language and concepts that can be created by our minds. This is because language exists within the confines of dualistic expression, and while we can make great use of language to help point to the truth (as I am trying now), my words can never truly deliver you to this experience that I am describing, your own investigation and practice of meditation alone can. Hope my explanation provided you with some insight into the nature of no birth, no death! If you have an further questions or disputes, I would be glad to reply :p
@@nickelchlorine2753 you managed to sum it up really well. It's a very difficult thing to comprehend at first what "no birth" and "no death" means, but you did an amazing job.
You can't understand this from books or talks. People like Thay and the Buddha spend years in meditation to come to this insight. Through Vipassana meditation you can see one day, that there is no me. It's not a result of the thinking guy or girl in you. It's a shocking experience when you see the first time that your whole life was a lie. But then you feel a deep peace, which is beyond happiness and unhappiness. Good luck to you!
Assuming people want to live forever because they are afraid of dying is not true. Maybe I want to live forever just out of curiosity and to see what happens next?
Love this man. Can somebody help please. What about consciousness though? Our physical bodies may continue as part of the cosmic body like waves and clouds do but what about the consciousness within our bodies? I think that’s where the fear of death comes from, losing the consciousness that allows us to experience. Please could somebody advise?
I too wonder about this very point. I wish I could ask him.
That is another corner of Buddhism. There is no self, no ego, no I. The consciousness is made up of the non-consciousness components. We clang to to this fear due to our lack of understanding. The moment you recognize the continuation around you, and the attachment that you hold on (in this case the self), then you will no longer have fear or losing the consciousness. Consciousness just happens when the various conditions are ripe.
That is the theory. I am still just a learner trying to deepen my understanding.
that is a tiny bit of consciousness - mostly memory bank - 90% memories repeat each day no new thoughts ever! you cannot experience consciousness through memory - yours or other peoples. only when thought ceases - or pauses does conciousness arise and you cannot put it in the memory bank!
At first im glad at the idea of nirvana, cessation of samsara or these "notions", false construct of the mind. but everything we ever known, enjoy, and cherish are all in this world, these notions.. our parents, loved ones, children, hobbies, memories and all.. without these "notions", essentially, all our past memories, times spent together, and all will all be gone permanently.
imagine ur beloved child, his or her face, how u gave birth and care for them.. do you want to accept them as mere notion, false construct of the mind, and by attaining nirvana, ur child, like a mirror image optical illusion simply vanished for eternity ? or as if they never existed at all and that our times spent together are only a figment of imagination like our dreams ?
i would rather believe in this lie than to accept it is a lie...Of course im speaking in ignorance since i'd yet to attain nirvana like level.... but as layman, i would rather i'd actually had my loved ones.
unless this world never manifested at all, but now that we are here, already attached to it, to leave it.. im fearful of endless rebirth, at same time im fearful of this world not existing, or existed at all.
every saint say how things are illusory, but have me snap at your testicles and you would burst out in pain... it makes more sense if nirvana and samsara are both same, like a coin with 2 sides depending on how we perceive things..
i'd been depressing always thinking about this matter and coping with loss of loved ones, or things and places and memories we have had..
Basis of Budhism is reincarnation and law of karma . The necessity of Budhism is impermanence , sufferings and concept of no soul . Budhism is to guide us to remain in human world and heavens until final stage is attained 🙏🙏🙏
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How do we think about this? Thay often opens new windows on Buddhist teachings that hold deep truths. I feel this question may be thought of as the DNA of all life. It is continuous never (ex. In extinctions) dying and a birth so distant as irrelevant to life in the present. Hence life is no birth and no death. Our individual existence is transient but not the only way to new experiences of both.
By the Power of blessings of the Victorious Ones, homage to Mahamudra!
In your imagination become a cell in your body. A single cell that is part and parcel of the whole being. Go back and forth from this single cell and whole-being perspective. The cell comes into existence out of the whole being and then disappears into the whole being. The cell is the whole being manifesting-demanifesting. The cell has no independent existence of its own, like a wave of an ocean. Only the ocean is real. The cell wanting to live, die, this and that are all ego-talk from the cell's limited perspective.
Immortality in taoism is equal to the rainbody body in vajrayana. Which is entirely possible to achieve and not succumb with passive acceptance to the "physical laws". It's not a matter of escaping annihilation but rather transforming the body into a fully functional marvel.
Just heard from one of the Plum Village sisters that Thich has gone to another world. That must mean the continuation of the ever changing Karma he created causes him to be reborn again on this planet or another sometime in the future. What else could it mean because Thich doesn't accept annihilations and permanence !
Nothing dies, nothing goes anywhere. I think she probably meant another world in a sense that, for example, what lives in the water is its own world, what lives and float in the air is another kind of world, what lives on the tip of your finger is its own world. Thay changed form, at least he is changing form, we could say that he is going to another world. But in reality he is going nowhere, but as long as we cling to his human form, we are bound to feel like he is leaving us.
It’s basically just a pretty way of saying when we die that is it. There is no more. We can paint it as a picture of we are the Leaf, the tree, the fart that leaves the cows arse if it makes us feel better I guess. Ultimately death is the end.
Yes, listen to the young
I have the sense of being 52 years old and tired of life
No Birth and No Death: เมื่อเราไม่เข้าใจว่าเราเป็นเพียงความต่อเนื่องของสรรพสิ่ง เราก็มักกจะหลงไปว่า ตัวฉันนี้มีอยู่ วันหนึ่งฉันได้เกิดขึ้นมาและตัวฉันก็จะต้องตายลงไป
แต่ถ้าพิจารณาพบว่านั่นเป็นเพียงความคิด ที่ฉันยึดถือเท่านั้น ในความเป็นจริงแล้ว สิ่งที่เรียกว่าตัวฉันเป็นเพียงการ เปลี่ยนแปลงต่อเนื่องของขันธ์ทั้ง 5 เท่านั้นมิได้มีตัวตนของฉันมาตั้งแต่แรก
เมื่อตระหนักได้แบบนี้จึงจะเข้าใจความหมายของคำว่า ฉันไม่เคยมาเกิด (เป็นเพียงการถึงพร้อมของเหตุปัจจัยรอบๆ) และเมือ่ไม่มีฉันมาแต่แรก ฉันจึงไม่เคยตาย (เป็นเพียงการแตกสลายของเหตุปัจจัยตามธรรมชาติ)
Sometimes I wish I was never born...I wish I don't exist in past, present and future....
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Why are people constantly coughing, non-stop?
People cough when they are sick, if not, it could be a sign that the person isn't at ease with what's being said
As a beginner, this topic is too advanced for me. And confusing.
11:04 "And especially you don't believe in a self that has to go through samsara, birth and death. There is no birth and death. There is no self that is going through birth and death."
But isn't that what Buddhists believe?? That we cycle through samsara and based on our karmic activities, go into the different realms? Is this not a belief in Zen Buddhism? Or not in Thay's tradition?
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Is this his last retreat as his stroke was Nov 2014?
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I am not an expert on Taoism but I think the body of immortality the Taoists talk about is the same as the enlightened rainbow body phenomena esp well known in Vajrayana and Dzogchen
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The question is if we have a choice of birth ad death. If it is not in your control then preference is not an option. Then a question comes, why do we born and die. The cycle of birth and death is said to be due to your greed of material gain over knowledge. Some learn to gain material and takes to cycle of it. Some earn to learn the skill to break this cycle. There you have the possibility. Buddha said, “ once you are Buddha you become free from this cycle and can come and go as purpose calls. They have the freedom from this cycle”. Thus, if you want that freedom then look for the way.
Many who tried didn’t get death, instead life long pain. Birth and death happen due to accumulated karma of greed.
The life and death of our 5 elements that became a vehicle to your mind to achieve greed or freedom from it ……..
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