Like the the 3rd salvo of the German Battleship Scharnhorst that hit the British aircraft carrier HMS Glorious at 26.000 Meters. Who was sunk a Litlle later by the damages. The longest salvo "on target" on a moving target in naval history.
@@jpmtlhead39 The longest CONFIRMED hit for sure. There is evidence to suggest that the Yamato may in fact hold the record with its salvo against USS Gambier Bay at Leyte Gulf. It was a near miss, but it inflicted damage (it was an 18.1 inch shell, no surprises there), so it technically counts.
@@z3r0_35 the Yamato...not possible. If that happened,because its the first time ive heard such thing,would be from the Musashi because the Yamato was already far away from that area. And the 18" guns have nothing to do with that. The Hood was sunk by the Bismark 15 " guns only 16.000 Meters away.
@@jpmtlhead39 Mind you that this claim comes from the crew of Yamato themselves (Kongo's crew also claimed a hit, but they were even further away and had a less favorable angle). Most American sources list it as an 8-inch shell from the heavy cruiser Chikuma. Either way, it disabled Gambier Bay and allowed Chikuma and Tone to finish it off.
@@z3r0_35 i know that the only time the yamato discharged her main guns into real combat was on the battle of samar. There is an account of the Yamato fired a salvo from her main tower hitting the USS Gambier Bay without major damages. But is there that all this situation is very weird,1st nobody knows for sure the origin of that account,and 2nd the Gambier Bay gets hit by a salvo of a 18" batterie and sustain only minor damages...??!!!! In my opinion this is only a story,nothing else. A big ship is hit by 2 18" shells and sustain only minor damages... that's a joke,no.
I appreciate your coverage of Naval Warfare in the Pacific during WWII. For most of the war for the Japanese EVERYTHING that floated was an oceanliner (Troopship). They even put soldiers in ore tenders because they had nothing else.
One of the worst friendly sinking incidents for me is the "Battle" of May Island, where a series of disastrous miscommunication and mistiming accidents led to two British subs sunk and four subs and a cruiser damaged, with over a hundred dead as a result, from collisions with other British vessels.
Never been much a fan of maritime history before But since I’ve found this channel I really find this interesting Excellent research Excellent presentation Well done sir
Thank you for the fantastic videos sir!! I was a titanic fanatic as a child as well as both world wars! ( pretty much anything history was very attractive ) You’ve gone into such amazing depth and detail in your videos and they are a pleasure to watch! All the best to you and your future endeavours 😊
Mike, thank you for not only putting out another top notch video, but for bringing back the deep fog horn blast at the start of your videos that vibrate my chair! Love it!
One of my dad's old US Navy ships, USS Harwood DD-861, was sold to the Turkish navy after she was retired from service with the United States. During Turkey's invasion of Cyprus, she was sunk by Turkish aircraft after being mistaken for a Greek vessel on July 21, 1974.
I knew Mogami sounded familiar, because I remember hearing about her at Midway. But I hadn't heard about the incident with the troop carriers before. I feel like an honorable mention should go to the IJN Arashi. Technically, she never sank any Japanese ships herself (that I know of). But during the Battle of Midway, she spent some time hunting a US submarine before trying to catch back up with the fleet. She was spotted by a group of dive bombers from the Enterpise, who followed her straight to the carriers, leading to 3 of them sinking.
Don't forget the US submarine, the USS Grunion, thought to have been sunk by its own torpedo, the infamous Mk XIV that had a habit of going in a circle and coming back at the ship that fired it. She probably wasn't the only allied casualty of the Mk XIV.
The _USS Seawolf_ (SS 197) was lost on her fifteenth (!) war patrol to the _USS Rowell_ who had mistaken her for a Japanese submarine. RIP, _Seawolf_ and crew. 😞
This reminds me of the Story of the German Zaunkönig Torpedo. It was one of the first acoustic torpedos as it followed the propeller noise of ships. The problem was that it was not able to sepperate the boats own noise from that of allied ships. After the launch of this torpedo the submarine had to dive immediatly because otherwise the torp might hit the submarine itself.
Dont forget about HMAS Canberra in the battle of Savo island she was damaged by gunfire from the Japanese cruisers but the fatal damage to the cruiser was caused by a torpedo hit from an american destroyer during the battle . That is why photos of Canberra show her listing to starboard with her guns pointing to port. Considering the poor performance of US torpedoes at the time she was very unlucky to have been damaged by one.
An incident similar to the one with G9 and HMS Parsley occured with Polish submarine ORP Jastrząb (former American S-25) which got attacked in the North Atlantic by destroyer HNoMS St. Albans and minesweeper HMS Seagull while escorting PQ-15 convoy, after being mistaken for German U-Boat. They threw depth charges at it, and when she resurfaced, they strafed the crew with gunfire even as Poles tried to signal the attackers that they're friendlies. They even deployed buoys with yellow smoke candles prior, according to procedures - but they were either unnoticed or not recognized. Friendly fire was ceased just in the nick of time, but five people onboard were still killed, sixteen more got injured, and the submarine itself was so badly damaged that it had to be scuttled. Oh, and captains of both St. Albans and Seagull faced no charges either and their actions were excused as an understandable mistake, given the circumstances.
Paraphrasing from James D. Hornfischer's "Ship of Ghosts" about the Houston and the Perth's battle; when the Japanese commodore sent his apologies to the general, the general said, "Let the Houston have the credit". The honor of taking a hit in battle was preferable to the embarrassment of fratricide.
They pretty much missed everything that wasn't their own ships. The greatest irony of the battle of Tsushima is that the Russians drew first blood, despite how hilariously shitty their gunnery was.
Goodness gracious! Check it out. My neighbor Fred, oil painting artist in his 80s, he hired me to type up his notes for a book he is working on, a series of his WW2 Pacific Theater battles and ships. I did not right away key on the Japanese ship "Mogami" in the 1st segment till I heard "Perth" and "Houston". But yah! I typed up his writing that goes w his painting of this battle. Fred Sinclair, California artist. I am super gonna sit him down to watch this video. He will love it. And you should see these oils, beautiful work. ... I have been following this channel for a year...? And this is my first personal connection to a ship in a video. Very cool!
Just awesome Mike . You never fail to deliver with class and extrodinary detail . Your attention to detail and hard work clearly shows in the very professional vids you are releasing . So proud of you . 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Fantastic content, you never disappoint. And you delivery? Very smooth. Although, 10:55 The transition to a close-up of your face caught me off guard, being on a large screen. It was quite jarring, a big face in my face😂😂😂😂
I remember one account from a biography of captain John Collins , in which a Bathurst class corvette opened fire at a American sub surfacing off Fremantle , it missed but when collins who was commanding the Fremantle base at the time heard about it , he sent a message to the gunnery officer telling to report immediately to gunnery training!
Ha! I had a feeling about the Mogami being in this list. One side note about the Fusō: in the same battle, her sistership, Yamashiro, was also sunk, in the Surigao Strait, being the Mogami, in fact, the only survivor, if my memory serves me well. And a personal opinion: I think that the japanese warships have this aesthetic component, making them very beautiful to see, even when they were designed to sink and kill enemies. Same happens with the Des Moines class, of the US, they're very well designed. Thanks for this video Mike, keep 'em coming!
@@ijnfleetadmiral Well, to be fair, I was referring to the fact of being sunk in combat. Mogami was scutted, due to the extensive damage suffered (it was so bad that she lost even her engines, beyond repair, thus, she ended being scuttled by a japanese destroyer).Wait, was Shigure still under the command of Tameichi Hara at that time? I remember that he ended commanding Yahagi, escorting Yamato.
USS Tang managed to sink itself when its final torpedo broached and circled around striking the aft torpedo room. Not sure if that's considered friendly fire or not but still quite something
Torpedoes circling around back at the submarine were depressingly common early on. Can’t remember if other nations had issues with this (though I’d imagine they did), but the U.S. lost a lot of submarines to suspected self inflicted torpedo hits
À propos of 'Fuso', Mike, I'd love to hear your views on those bizarre 'pagoda' masts the Japanese specialised in during WWII, from a design perspective! That class had perhaps the most extreme example of 'clutter'.
I'm just wondering where he got the idea the they were the most powerful BB in the world in 1915. Because the Queen Elizabeths and their 8 15" guns, superior armour, and speed would like a word!
Another interesting video subject would be the HMAS Melbourne. She's the only naval vessel to sink not one but TWO friendly ships by ramming - on separate occasions, during peacetime. It's definitely some sort of achievement.
Friendly Fire is a case of action on every Monday, in every navy. But what about the ramming of the Prinz Eugen and the Kreuzer Leipzig during WW2 in the Baltic Ocean in 1944?
Yet another well done video, kudos Mike. It's hard to take much pity on Japanese forces committing friendly fire incidents. When you consider the millions who suffered and died under their military conquests, add to that the blatant war crimes perpetrated by Japanese sailors and soldiers which were actively encouraged and led by their commanders, the fact they killed some of their own is simply justice. And when you add to that the fact that some fat butcher with the rank of Lieutenant General had to float in the water for 20 minutes, hardly seems sufficient considering the Allied soldiers they left in the water or worse machine gunned in the water, and let's not forget their monstrous treatment of Australian, non combatant, nurses, forcing the survivors to wade into the surf, then machine gunning them, with only on courageous nurse surviving that particular he'll.
Thank you for covering Surigao Strait, however briefly! It’s become one of my favourite naval battles to read about due to the different conclusions and analysis of it over the years, and how wildly different the interpretations of the battle have been as a result. Here’s some fun facts about it: •The battle was a diversion from the main naval force trying to reach Leyte and destroy the American landings there. •It took place on the same date as the Charge of the Light Brigade. •The battle was the last battleship clash in history - six American battleships, including several Pearl Harbor survivors, verses the two Japanese battleships Fuso and Yamashiro. •The Fuso was believed for decades to have blown up and split in two until a survivor account was found in a Japanese newspaper archive in the 2000’s - she was actually torpedoed and sank forty minutes later, but the fires from her oil bunkers were so large the Americans thought they were two halves of the ship. Both she and Yamashiro, who engaged the gun line and yanked hundreds of shells and up to six torpedoes before sinking, had the same number of survivors (10 men) •The Mogami collided with the Nachi on the stem (or bow) but due to a transcription error this was believed to be the stern for several decades. •Three of the four Japanese destroyers providing escort were taken out in the same torpedo spread while moving up the strait. •The captain of the surviving destroyer confused the two battleships during the battle and believed the Yamashiro sank first, which led to accounts of a “conflicting Japanese narrative” believed to be true by many for decades after the battle.
The heavy cruiser Houston, The Galloping Ghost of the Java Coast, was FDR's favourite ship. He traveled on her whenever possible; the presidential yacht would be hoisted aboard, though he preferred to use a regular ships launch when he went fishing with "the boys". The ships officers would wear dress uniforms in order to dine with the President only to find that he preferred to have his "chow" below decks with the boys. i have read that after her sinking, the survivors were forced into the Bataan Death March. corrections welcome, it's been awhile.
Courtesy of USS San Francisco, 1st Naval Battle of Guadalcanal. I don't know if it was determined if she was accidentally targeting the Atlanta or shooting at a Japanese ship and the Atlanta got in the way of the flat, short-range trajectories. Poor Admiral Scott probably got killed by his replacement's ship.
Friendly fire can be just as lethal as enemy fire. Interesting topic for you to cover - especially going backwards to the Age of Sail (the Napoleonic Wars is one of my favourite historical eras).
One example of a carrier damaged by friendly fire. Was USS Enterprise (CV-6) on 20 May 1945. When 2 5-inch VT-shells exploded over her flight deck during an air attack. These set off her fighters and caused a fierce fire. Even causing the Combat Information Center to be evacuated. After 35 minutes all fires were out. But she lost several fighters and had a part of her flight deck burned through. Plus her forward Bofors mounts were scorched.
6:03 This has to be the most tragic case of friendly fire. The US Navy sinking one of their most potent and destructive allies: the IJN Mogami! 9:09 Hard to imagine the horror the crew of the HMS Pasley when they saw the signal light and realized they were about to run down one of their own submarines but couldn't do anything about it.
You used a few pictures of Fuso's sistership Yamashiro to represent Fuso. The two ships are identical except that the third turret between the super structure and funnel had a different orientation on each vessel. Fuso's Turret 3 defaulted to point Fore, while Yamashiro's Turret 3 faced Aft.
1:48 - Isaki Shunji was NOT Mogami's commander at the time of her first friendly-fire incident. He was relieved of command of Mogami on 8 January 1941. In fact, he wasn't at sea AT ALL at the time of Mogami's incident; he was the Manager of Kure Harbor. Mogami's Commanding Officer at the time was Captain Sone Akira, who had assumed command on 10 September 1941. Mogami was assigned to Cruiser Division (CruDiv) 7, which was commanded by then-Rear Admiral Kurita Takeo. 4:04 - Mogami did NOT chase after the enemy submarine. None of the Japanese cruisers did. The alarm was sounded and a simultaneous 45-degree starboard turn for all ships was ordered by ComCruDiv 7 RADM Kurita from his flagship Kumano, which executed the turn successfully, as did Suzuya, the next ship in line. However, the third ship in line - Mikuma - accidentally made a 90-degree turn, while Mogami executed the 45-degree turn. Mogami's Navigator Cdr Yamauchi Masaki failed to see Mikuma's incorrect turn until it was too late, and Mogami rammed Mikuma on the port side below the bridge.
This explains perfectly the result of the law about privateer flags that was passed by William Wilbaforce and how it really did put the nail in the coffen of the British slave trade.
They were correct to award Ramsey. But you can still see the sadness in his eyes over it. Mark of a decent man is to begrudgingly accept tilted praise. Glad his career continued.
Really good video! Maybe a 2nd part is needed😅 I recommend "Operation Wikinger" on a next episode as it can only be described as "nazis go 3 stooges!"😂
The Fusō post 1938 refit with its tall Pagoda mask and single funnel, could easily turn turtle if it hit rough seas or hit by torpedos below the pagoda mask which probably happend in Surigao strait with her sister Yamashiro.
6:39 - That's a photo of Fuso conducting inclination tests right in 1940. According to sources, her Captain later stated that had she listed another five degrees during the exercise she would've gone over due to that pagoda.
@@frednone only marginally, but yeah. The IJA was a formidable foe of the IJN going all the way back to their formation with rival samurai clans forming the Officer corps the army, and navy.
@@jefferyindorf699 Yeah, but let's face it, The US had the resources to separate their army and navy and send them after separate foes, the Empire of Japan didn't. Japan for all intents and purposes was fighting a two-front war, when they couldn't really afford one.
Due to the British blockading enemy ports, enemy ships had no time to practice reloading their cannon. Either that or they just didn't bother. The British could reload in less than half the time, effectively doubling their firepower. Not only that, the British fired to sink, others fired to disable. Either way, we ended up with many French ships in the Royal Navy. They were on the whole better as we were very short of sound wood and corrupt naval yards were ripe.
The collision between Mogami and Nachi was NOT Mogami’s fault at all, contrary to what is often assumed due to poor research. Nachi was the ship that sailed into her, not the other way around. Fuso also has the dubious distinction of outright losing a battle to destroyers, something very unusual for a battleship (before someone says Yamato lost to destroyers the morning after at Samar; that engagement saw very heavy involvement of airpower which was the most decisive factor in the American victory, and the only real problem the tin can death ride caused for her was forcing her out of the engagement for around 20 minutes due to having to evade torpedoes, rather than straight-up being beaten by said destroyers).
Yamato did not lose to those destroyers in Samar. She was the one that officially killed them all within 20 minutes. All US losses in that battle were Yamato kills. Most of the damage by her main guns.
@@shauntempley9757 I would say that Samar was a US advantages. The IJN couldn't even get proper plane escort while the USN had 16 CVE to strike Center Force continuously. 10 of those CVE and their escort were not even spotted by the IJN.
@@shauntempley9757 That’s going a bit too far in the other direction. Yamato did sink Johnston (it turns out that first set of hits she got on Johnston were fatal on their own, even if Johnston took a while to actually go under), but it’s debatable if she hit Gambier Bay (it’s quite likely she did at least straddle her) and questionable if she hit Hoel; she definitely didn’t hit Samuel B. Roberts. Plus there are the straddles and (in the first case) non-fatal damages she got on White Plains and Kitkun Bay.
Hi mike. I know she’s not an ocean liner but would you consider doing a video on the “Pacific Princess” from the love boat? Scandinavian lines and perfectly proportioned superstructure is hard to deny.
Well done video. The Spanish at the end of the. 18th century built some of the best warships in the world. Both the British and French knew this. Unfortunately they were manned by them as well. As that was the fastest way to lose them
Considering the tension between the Imperial Japanese Navy, and the Imperial Japanese Army I am not so sure that Mogami torpedoing those transports is an act friendly fire.
Of course, the one ship that almost made the list and likely would have been candidate for the worst friendly fire incident would likely be the USS William D. Porter which accidently fired a live torpedo at the battleship USS Iowa which had POTUS Franklin D. Roosevelt aboard. Like the Mogami at Java Sea or the San Hermingildo, the Porter could have inflicted massive damage to her own side - if the torpedo had hit.
Mogami did not turn to chase a sub and run into her sister at midway. US Aircraft were spotted and both ship attempted the standard IJN circle evasion against the American bombers, but Mikuma turned wrong and got in Mogami's way.
Ooh, deja vu (mentally add accent marks please lol). I'll watch this version too :) Least I can do for our friend Mike Brady! EDIT: That's what I thought you were going to change/fix.
Given how the IJN and IJA hated each other to the point of trying to have assassinations of each others head commanders, can the sinking of IJA ships by the IJN really be classified as friendly fire?
Mike, is it just me or should they make Poseidon an actual ocean liner? sure it didn’t handle that rogue wave to good but they could probaly make it safer.
You know...technically speaking, Mogami's torpedo salvo at the Battle of the Java Sea was the most successful torpedo attack in history.
Like the the 3rd salvo of the German Battleship Scharnhorst that hit the British aircraft carrier HMS Glorious at 26.000 Meters. Who was sunk a Litlle later by the damages.
The longest salvo "on target" on a moving target in naval history.
@@jpmtlhead39 The longest CONFIRMED hit for sure. There is evidence to suggest that the Yamato may in fact hold the record with its salvo against USS Gambier Bay at Leyte Gulf. It was a near miss, but it inflicted damage (it was an 18.1 inch shell, no surprises there), so it technically counts.
@@z3r0_35 the Yamato...not possible.
If that happened,because its the first time ive heard such thing,would be from the Musashi because the Yamato was already far away from that area.
And the 18" guns have nothing to do with that.
The Hood was sunk by the Bismark 15 " guns only 16.000 Meters away.
@@jpmtlhead39 Mind you that this claim comes from the crew of Yamato themselves (Kongo's crew also claimed a hit, but they were even further away and had a less favorable angle). Most American sources list it as an 8-inch shell from the heavy cruiser Chikuma. Either way, it disabled Gambier Bay and allowed Chikuma and Tone to finish it off.
@@z3r0_35 i know that the only time the yamato discharged her main guns into real combat was on the battle of samar.
There is an account of the Yamato fired a salvo from her main tower hitting the USS Gambier Bay without major damages.
But is there that all this situation is very weird,1st nobody knows for sure the origin of that account,and 2nd the Gambier Bay gets hit by a salvo of a 18" batterie and sustain only minor damages...??!!!!
In my opinion this is only a story,nothing else.
A big ship is hit by 2 18" shells and sustain only minor damages... that's a joke,no.
I appreciate your coverage of Naval Warfare in the Pacific during WWII. For most of the war for the Japanese EVERYTHING that floated was an oceanliner (Troopship). They even put soldiers in ore tenders because they had nothing else.
I just got back from Tokyo and didn’t get to visit Hikawa Maru, I am very disappointed!
@@OceanlinerDesigns I understand your dissapointment.
@@OceanlinerDesignsthat sucks
One of the worst friendly sinking incidents for me is the "Battle" of May Island, where a series of disastrous miscommunication and mistiming accidents led to two British subs sunk and four subs and a cruiser damaged, with over a hundred dead as a result, from collisions with other British vessels.
The Battle of May Island is a staggering story. Fredrik Knudsen did a brilliant hour long documentary on it. Highly recommended.
Wow. This is the last subject I would expect from this channel. But I am impressed on how well you discussed this subject.
Never been much a fan of maritime history before
But since I’ve found this channel
I really find this interesting
Excellent research
Excellent presentation
Well done sir
Well, this whole video cam be resumed in one quote. That quote resumes the entirety of friendly fire itself. The quote is...
"Oops!"
Some of those paintings pictured after the 11 minute mark of the Spanish ships exploding/burning are BEAUTIFUL!
Utterly fascinating presentations as I did not expect to be drawn into maritime history aside from have been! Salud!
Thank you for the fantastic videos sir!!
I was a titanic fanatic as a child as well as both world wars! ( pretty much anything history was very attractive )
You’ve gone into such amazing depth and detail in your videos and they are a pleasure to watch!
All the best to you and your future endeavours 😊
Mike, thank you for not only putting out another top notch video, but for bringing back the deep fog horn blast at the start of your videos that vibrate my chair! Love it!
For a channel called Oceanliner Designs I'm really loving your coverage of warships and naval history 💜
One of my dad's old US Navy ships, USS Harwood DD-861, was sold to the Turkish navy after she was retired from service with the United States. During Turkey's invasion of Cyprus, she was sunk by Turkish aircraft after being mistaken for a Greek vessel on July 21, 1974.
I knew Mogami sounded familiar, because I remember hearing about her at Midway. But I hadn't heard about the incident with the troop carriers before.
I feel like an honorable mention should go to the IJN Arashi. Technically, she never sank any Japanese ships herself (that I know of). But during the Battle of Midway, she spent some time hunting a US submarine before trying to catch back up with the fleet. She was spotted by a group of dive bombers from the Enterpise, who followed her straight to the carriers, leading to 3 of them sinking.
Yeah I was like 🤔🤔 hey that was one of the Japanese ships at midway. 👍
Don't forget the US submarine, the USS Grunion, thought to have been sunk by its own torpedo, the infamous Mk XIV that had a habit of going in a circle and coming back at the ship that fired it. She probably wasn't the only allied casualty of the Mk XIV.
Luckily the detonators on most of the early mk14s didn’t work either…
The USS Tang was sunk by her last torpedo on a circular run from her stern tube. "Escape from the deep" is a good read about it.
The _USS Seawolf_ (SS 197) was lost on her fifteenth (!) war patrol to the _USS Rowell_ who had mistaken her for a Japanese submarine. RIP, _Seawolf_ and crew. 😞
This reminds me of the Story of the German Zaunkönig Torpedo. It was one of the first acoustic torpedos as it followed the propeller noise of ships. The problem was that it was not able to sepperate the boats own noise from that of allied ships. After the launch of this torpedo the submarine had to dive immediatly because otherwise the torp might hit the submarine itself.
Dont forget about HMAS Canberra in the battle of Savo island she was damaged by gunfire from the Japanese cruisers but the fatal damage to the cruiser was caused by a torpedo hit from an american destroyer during the battle . That is why photos of Canberra show her listing to starboard with her guns pointing to port. Considering the poor performance of US torpedoes at the time she was very unlucky to have been damaged by one.
The ship that fired the torpedo was the u.s.s.Bagley.
The yanks are the masters of friendly fire.
Great video Mike, Id love for you to do a video on the HMS Erebus and Terror and the Lost Franklin Expedition
“Honey wake up a new ocean liner designs video just dropped”
An incident similar to the one with G9 and HMS Parsley occured with Polish submarine ORP Jastrząb (former American S-25) which got attacked in the North Atlantic by destroyer HNoMS St. Albans and minesweeper HMS Seagull while escorting PQ-15 convoy, after being mistaken for German U-Boat. They threw depth charges at it, and when she resurfaced, they strafed the crew with gunfire even as Poles tried to signal the attackers that they're friendlies. They even deployed buoys with yellow smoke candles prior, according to procedures - but they were either unnoticed or not recognized. Friendly fire was ceased just in the nick of time, but five people onboard were still killed, sixteen more got injured, and the submarine itself was so badly damaged that it had to be scuttled. Oh, and captains of both St. Albans and Seagull faced no charges either and their actions were excused as an understandable mistake, given the circumstances.
Paraphrasing from James D. Hornfischer's "Ship of Ghosts" about the Houston and the Perth's battle; when the Japanese commodore sent his apologies to the general, the general said, "Let the Houston have the credit". The honor of taking a hit in battle was preferable to the embarrassment of fratricide.
Always a great night when Oceanlinerdesigns posts a video! (I’m over in the US)
I wondered if Admiral Rozhestvensky and his fleet would make it onto this list. They didn't sink a friendly ship, but they sure as hell tried
They pretty much missed everything that wasn't their own ships. The greatest irony of the battle of Tsushima is that the Russians drew first blood, despite how hilariously shitty their gunnery was.
Kamchatka: Do you see torpedo boats?
Thank you Mike!!! Another great video, and I love the diversity of topics covered. One of the BEST maritime channels on utube!
Goodness gracious! Check it out. My neighbor Fred, oil painting artist in his 80s, he hired me to type up his notes for a book he is working on, a series of his WW2 Pacific Theater battles and ships. I did not right away key on the Japanese ship "Mogami" in the 1st segment till I heard "Perth" and "Houston". But yah! I typed up his writing that goes w his painting of this battle. Fred Sinclair, California artist. I am super gonna sit him down to watch this video. He will love it. And you should see these oils, beautiful work. ... I have been following this channel for a year...? And this is my first personal connection to a ship in a video. Very cool!
Amazing!!
Just awesome Mike . You never fail to deliver with class and extrodinary detail . Your attention to detail and hard work clearly shows in the very professional vids you are releasing . So proud of you . 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Great work Oceanliner Designs! Mogami was definitely an unlucky ship.
Fantastic content, you never disappoint. And you delivery? Very smooth.
Although, 10:55 The transition to a close-up of your face caught me off guard, being on a large screen. It was quite jarring, a big face in my face😂😂😂😂
I remember one account from a biography of captain John Collins , in which a Bathurst class corvette opened fire at a American sub surfacing off Fremantle , it missed but when collins who was commanding the Fremantle base at the time heard about it , he sent a message to the gunnery officer telling to report immediately to gunnery training!
Ha! I had a feeling about the Mogami being in this list. One side note about the Fusō: in the same battle, her sistership, Yamashiro, was also sunk, in the Surigao Strait, being the Mogami, in fact, the only survivor, if my memory serves me well.
And a personal opinion: I think that the japanese warships have this aesthetic component, making them very beautiful to see, even when they were designed to sink and kill enemies. Same happens with the Des Moines class, of the US, they're very well designed.
Thanks for this video Mike, keep 'em coming!
All the ships of Nishimura's fleet were sunk except destroyer Shigure. She was the sole survivor.
@@ijnfleetadmiral Well, to be fair, I was referring to the fact of being sunk in combat. Mogami was scutted, due to the extensive damage suffered (it was so bad that she lost even her engines, beyond repair, thus, she ended being scuttled by a japanese destroyer).Wait, was Shigure still under the command of Tameichi Hara at that time? I remember that he ended commanding Yahagi, escorting Yamato.
A different angle and so interesting! Thanks Mike.
USS Tang managed to sink itself when its final torpedo broached and circled around striking the aft torpedo room. Not sure if that's considered friendly fire or not but still quite something
Torpedoes circling around back at the submarine were depressingly common early on. Can’t remember if other nations had issues with this (though I’d imagine they did), but the U.S. lost a lot of submarines to suspected self inflicted torpedo hits
À propos of 'Fuso', Mike, I'd love to hear your views on those bizarre 'pagoda' masts the Japanese specialised in during WWII, from a design perspective! That class had perhaps the most extreme example of 'clutter'.
I'm just wondering where he got the idea the they were the most powerful BB in the world in 1915. Because the Queen Elizabeths and their 8 15" guns, superior armour, and speed would like a word!
Fascinating indeed. One would think that combatant Captains and other Officers would be familiar with the contents of Jane's Fighting Ships!
amzing video as always! thank you for everything you do
that guy who joked about his ship being sunk by congratulating his commander for landing had some good humor.
Wonderful upload. Gave it a like 😊. Thanks so much 🖤
Loved the video, as always ❤
Another interesting video subject would be the HMAS Melbourne. She's the only naval vessel to sink not one but TWO friendly ships by ramming - on separate occasions, during peacetime. It's definitely some sort of achievement.
Considering that neither time was the fault of the Melbourne
Just being there caused the accident
It's takes two!
Great video, so informative, love your breakdowns as well, you make all the facts very understandable!
What a great way to tell naval history and technology. Thank you.
Very informative Mike, thank you
I could have sworn this was up earlier...
It was it was just unlisted
Wonder why.
@@oWn_234that explains it. Thanks.
The audio wasn't recorded properly. His voice during the face cam part wasn't filtered that it recorded with background noise.
@@MiniMC546 thanks
Great Video!!!!! Keep them coming!!!
Friendly Fire is a case of action on every Monday, in every navy. But what about the ramming of the Prinz Eugen and the Kreuzer Leipzig during WW2 in the Baltic Ocean in 1944?
Yet another well done video, kudos Mike.
It's hard to take much pity on Japanese forces committing friendly fire incidents. When you consider the millions who suffered and died under their military conquests, add to that the blatant war crimes perpetrated by Japanese sailors and soldiers which were actively encouraged and led by their commanders, the fact they killed some of their own is simply justice.
And when you add to that the fact that some fat butcher with the rank of Lieutenant General had to float in the water for 20 minutes, hardly seems sufficient considering the Allied soldiers they left in the water or worse machine gunned in the water, and let's not forget their monstrous treatment of Australian, non combatant, nurses, forcing the survivors to wade into the surf, then machine gunning them, with only on courageous nurse surviving that particular he'll.
If you want a really crazy "Friendly Fire" incident, check out the USS Tang (SS-306). Damn thing sunk it self using it's own torp.
You mean damn thing sunk itself using it’s own torpedo?
@@TheWtcBros1969 yep. Thx.
When you don't know if friendly fire is on so you shoot your friend in the face "just to be sure"
Honestly, dying rather quickly due to a battle is better than serving your entire life as a slave.
Thank you for covering Surigao Strait, however briefly! It’s become one of my favourite naval battles to read about due to the different conclusions and analysis of it over the years, and how wildly different the interpretations of the battle have been as a result. Here’s some fun facts about it:
•The battle was a diversion from the main naval force trying to reach Leyte and destroy the American landings there.
•It took place on the same date as the Charge of the Light Brigade.
•The battle was the last battleship clash in history - six American battleships, including several Pearl Harbor survivors, verses the two Japanese battleships Fuso and Yamashiro.
•The Fuso was believed for decades to have blown up and split in two until a survivor account was found in a Japanese newspaper archive in the 2000’s - she was actually torpedoed and sank forty minutes later, but the fires from her oil bunkers were so large the Americans thought they were two halves of the ship. Both she and Yamashiro, who engaged the gun line and yanked hundreds of shells and up to six torpedoes before sinking, had the same number of survivors (10 men)
•The Mogami collided with the Nachi on the stem (or bow) but due to a transcription error this was believed to be the stern for several decades.
•Three of the four Japanese destroyers providing escort were taken out in the same torpedo spread while moving up the strait.
•The captain of the surviving destroyer confused the two battleships during the battle and believed the Yamashiro sank first, which led to accounts of a “conflicting Japanese narrative” believed to be true by many for decades after the battle.
Highly recommend the book "Battle of Surigao Strait" by Anthony Tully. It is considered the definitive account on that battle.
@@ijnfleetadmiral Can confirm, the book is spectacularly good.
I do believe you forgot to mention the USS Atlanta. Sunk by friendly fire, her guns never got the chance to fire upon the enemy.
The heavy cruiser Houston, The Galloping Ghost of the Java Coast, was FDR's favourite ship. He traveled on her whenever possible; the presidential yacht would be hoisted aboard, though he preferred to use a regular ships launch when he went fishing with "the boys".
The ships officers would wear dress uniforms in order to dine with the President only to find that he preferred to have his "chow" below decks with the boys. i have read that after her sinking, the survivors were forced into the Bataan Death March. corrections welcome, it's been awhile.
See James Hornfischer's "Ship of Ghosts."
@@gordonbergslien30 i will, thanks
Superb work Sir
I'm surprised USS Atlanta ain't on this list
Wasn't she on the receiving end though?
Courtesy of USS San Francisco, 1st Naval Battle of Guadalcanal. I don't know if it was determined if she was accidentally targeting the Atlanta or shooting at a Japanese ship and the Atlanta got in the way of the flat, short-range trajectories. Poor Admiral Scott probably got killed by his replacement's ship.
Thank you for this video. 🙌👍
Remember: “friendly fire isn’t.“
Friendly fire can be just as lethal as enemy fire. Interesting topic for you to cover - especially going backwards to the Age of Sail (the Napoleonic Wars is one of my favourite historical eras).
One example of a carrier damaged by friendly fire. Was USS Enterprise (CV-6) on 20 May 1945. When 2 5-inch VT-shells exploded over her flight deck during an air attack. These set off her fighters and caused a fierce fire. Even causing the Combat Information Center to be evacuated. After 35 minutes all fires were out. But she lost several fighters and had a part of her flight deck burned through. Plus her forward Bofors mounts were scorched.
6:03 This has to be the most tragic case of friendly fire. The US Navy sinking one of their most potent and destructive allies: the IJN Mogami!
9:09 Hard to imagine the horror the crew of the HMS Pasley when they saw the signal light and realized they were about to run down one of their own submarines but couldn't do anything about it.
Missed opportunity to discuss the Battle of May Island. Good video, though. Loved it.
As a suggestion, look at HMS Oxely. Sunk off Norway 1939 first week of war.
There's videos are so interesting!
You used a few pictures of Fuso's sistership Yamashiro to represent Fuso. The two ships are identical except that the third turret between the super structure and funnel had a different orientation on each vessel. Fuso's Turret 3 defaulted to point Fore, while Yamashiro's Turret 3 faced Aft.
1:48 - Isaki Shunji was NOT Mogami's commander at the time of her first friendly-fire incident. He was relieved of command of Mogami on 8 January 1941. In fact, he wasn't at sea AT ALL at the time of Mogami's incident; he was the Manager of Kure Harbor. Mogami's Commanding Officer at the time was Captain Sone Akira, who had assumed command on 10 September 1941. Mogami was assigned to Cruiser Division (CruDiv) 7, which was commanded by then-Rear Admiral Kurita Takeo.
4:04 - Mogami did NOT chase after the enemy submarine. None of the Japanese cruisers did. The alarm was sounded and a simultaneous 45-degree starboard turn for all ships was ordered by ComCruDiv 7 RADM Kurita from his flagship Kumano, which executed the turn successfully, as did Suzuya, the next ship in line. However, the third ship in line - Mikuma - accidentally made a 90-degree turn, while Mogami executed the 45-degree turn. Mogami's Navigator Cdr Yamauchi Masaki failed to see Mikuma's incorrect turn until it was too late, and Mogami rammed Mikuma on the port side below the bridge.
Friendly Fire will not be tolerated
Ahh, our friend Mike Brady, talking about friendly fire. Should I be worried ; )
Mikuma was Mogami's sister shop and was usually in action as the same cruiser division.
Friendly Fire activated!
This explains perfectly the result of the law about privateer flags that was passed by William Wilbaforce and how it really did put the nail in the coffen of the British slave trade.
Have not watched it yet but it looks great 👍
They were correct to award Ramsey. But you can still see the sadness in his eyes over it. Mark of a decent man is to begrudgingly accept tilted praise. Glad his career continued.
Really good video!
Maybe a 2nd part is needed😅
I recommend "Operation Wikinger" on a next episode as it can only be described as "nazis go 3 stooges!"😂
How a captain can have so little spatial awareness is ridiculous. How did he get his job
The Fusō post 1938 refit with its tall Pagoda mask and single funnel, could easily turn turtle if it hit rough seas or hit by torpedos below the pagoda mask which probably happend in Surigao strait with her sister Yamashiro.
6:39 - That's a photo of Fuso conducting inclination tests right in 1940. According to sources, her Captain later stated that had she listed another five degrees during the exercise she would've gone over due to that pagoda.
Most sad naval battle that I might think
I wish there was a replica of the Spanish warships, they were absolute units 😮
With Mogami at Sunda Strait, it's only army shipping so it's the army's problem not the IJN's
Indeed, if you were to ask a member of the IJN who their biggest enemy was, it wasn't the Allies.
@@frednone only marginally, but yeah. The IJA was a formidable foe of the IJN going all the way back to their formation with rival samurai clans forming the Officer corps the army, and navy.
@@jefferyindorf699 Yeah, but let's face it, The US had the resources to separate their army and navy and send them after separate foes, the Empire of Japan didn't.
Japan for all intents and purposes was fighting a two-front war, when they couldn't really afford one.
Due to the British blockading enemy ports, enemy ships had no time to practice reloading their cannon. Either that or they just didn't bother. The British could reload in less than half the time, effectively doubling their firepower. Not only that, the British fired to sink, others fired to disable. Either way, we ended up with many French ships in the Royal Navy. They were on the whole better as we were very short of sound wood and corrupt naval yards were ripe.
The collision between Mogami and Nachi was NOT Mogami’s fault at all, contrary to what is often assumed due to poor research. Nachi was the ship that sailed into her, not the other way around.
Fuso also has the dubious distinction of outright losing a battle to destroyers, something very unusual for a battleship (before someone says Yamato lost to destroyers the morning after at Samar; that engagement saw very heavy involvement of airpower which was the most decisive factor in the American victory, and the only real problem the tin can death ride caused for her was forcing her out of the engagement for around 20 minutes due to having to evade torpedoes, rather than straight-up being beaten by said destroyers).
Yamato did not lose to those destroyers in Samar. She was the one that officially killed them all within 20 minutes.
All US losses in that battle were Yamato kills.
Most of the damage by her main guns.
@@shauntempley9757 I would say that Samar was a US advantages. The IJN couldn't even get proper plane escort while the USN had 16 CVE to strike Center Force continuously.
10 of those CVE and their escort were not even spotted by the IJN.
@@silincer5186
This airpower advantage is what really determines the outcome of Samar.
@@shauntempley9757
That’s going a bit too far in the other direction. Yamato did sink Johnston (it turns out that first set of hits she got on Johnston were fatal on their own, even if Johnston took a while to actually go under), but it’s debatable if she hit Gambier Bay (it’s quite likely she did at least straddle her) and questionable if she hit Hoel; she definitely didn’t hit Samuel B. Roberts.
Plus there are the straddles and (in the first case) non-fatal damages she got on White Plains and Kitkun Bay.
1:25 tell me why for a split second, I thought part of the ship was in the shape of a giant guitar 😅
Well, you know what they say… “friendly fire” isn’t friendly.
Hi mike. I know she’s not an ocean liner but would you consider doing a video on the “Pacific Princess” from the love boat?
Scandinavian lines and perfectly proportioned superstructure is hard to deny.
That super structure on the Fuso! I want to know more about that!
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagoda_mast
@@Mree17 fascinating, thank you
What is the song playing during the IJN Mogami segment?
The IJN Mogami, the Allies secret weapon.
Sometimes I feel like Mogami
Me too😹
Hang on I've watched this before still amazing video tho
Are you gonna do videos about shipwrecks with no fatalities (such as the Oceanos), and the onboard fires that changed maritime firefighting?
Well done video. The Spanish at the end of the. 18th century built some of the best warships in the world. Both the British and French knew this. Unfortunately they were manned by them as well. As that was the fastest way to lose them
Considering the tension between the Imperial Japanese Navy, and the Imperial Japanese Army I am not so sure that Mogami torpedoing those transports is an act friendly fire.
10:57 Ahhh, friendly fire! Too close, danger close, ahhhh, I'm in shock, MEEEDDDDIIIICCCCCCC!!!!!
Of course, the one ship that almost made the list and likely would have been candidate for the worst friendly fire incident would likely be the USS William D. Porter which accidently fired a live torpedo at the battleship USS Iowa which had POTUS Franklin D. Roosevelt aboard. Like the Mogami at Java Sea or the San Hermingildo, the Porter could have inflicted massive damage to her own side - if the torpedo had hit.
I wonder how much Stoker Drake from the G9 was encouraged to testify that the G9 fired first 🤔
"Friendly fire will not be tolerated"
Mogami did not turn to chase a sub and run into her sister at midway. US Aircraft were spotted and both ship attempted the standard IJN circle evasion against the American bombers, but Mikuma turned wrong and got in Mogami's way.
Fuso hit the Citadel "we've sunk an enemy cruiser" oh....wait....oh..oh no..
My favourite video game franchise: Ship Mogami Tensei
Disappointed, however not surprised that USS Liberty isn't mentioned.
Ooh, deja vu (mentally add accent marks please lol). I'll watch this version too :) Least I can do for our friend Mike Brady!
EDIT: That's what I thought you were going to change/fix.
Given how the IJN and IJA hated each other to the point of trying to have assassinations of each others head commanders, can the sinking of IJA ships by the IJN really be classified as friendly fire?
Just wondering, has there been a video on HMVS Cerberus yet? With the Victoria connection I thought it might be of interest.
Mike, is it just me or should they make Poseidon an actual ocean liner? sure it didn’t handle that rogue wave to good but they could probaly make it safer.
Another informative video. I was expecting this to be about the sinking of the French fleet at Mers el Kebir. Instead I learned new stuff. 👋