The Full Story of Selen Tatsuki's Termination - NIJISANJI's Worst Disaster
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- The Selen/Dokibird Saga Part 1
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It's not over yet, however. But I believe going forward, this will no longer be about Selen's termination anymore. It will be about the entire branch itself.
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Agreed. Particularly on the Niji defense squad (but it can apply on both sides of this apocalypse), they think it's purely all about supporting and defending Selen but the situation has clearly evolved beyond just defending Selen alone and it's about Nijisanji EN/AnyColor as a company
35:25 You said December 13th instead of February 13th btw
I believe that Nijisanji said she was locked out of her socials the day before those tweets saying she was in the hospital came out, so it appears it indeed wasn't her who made them
The link to doki's youtube account returns a 404 for some reason
honestly I'm not sure that kurosanji are just heaping fuel on the fire to deter any bids from rival agencies at this point
My man, this story isn't over yet
We at the mcu time-line we are starting the Civil War arc now and riku and his yachts are the endgame.
It's only just begun
yes it has only just begon
Agreed...anyways does anyone want popcorn,I feel like the circus is in town.
This is just step 1 through 10
Elira and Vox's statements screams "There is No War in Ba Sing Se"
Fkin Ike sounded like didn't even know wtf is going on
@@bored_boarVox probably dragged him along and begged. Probably said something along the lines of "If you're a true friend, you'd do this for me." I always thought he was too into himself and could only watch his colabs and none of his stand-alone streams.
Tbf, Elira is being held at gunpoint, metaphorically~
She's in Japan now, on her *work visa~*
Imagine being terminated while in Japan~
Speaking of, Scarle might be getting invited to Lake Laogai by the Earth King.
and now quildren resting anxiously on their nest cuz their leader FUCKING DRAGGED. 2434 really foul man...
It is so sad that Selen say her biggest motivation was Ame
And she actually did what Ame did but the Company she was in doesn't appreciate it sadly
Imagine if she actually joined Mumei and got accepted into Holo.
What I would give to have them collab again every now and then I rewatch the vod of it sad that I can't see selens pov though.
@@Beerbottles123Ame and Doki (whatever her name is if she join Hololive) will probably created the biggest event on Hololive out of scratch.
Bruh, Ame and Doki will be Phineas and Ferb of Hololive.
Yow i cant even imagine the things those two could and wouldve created together..❤❤
@@wat_aiwan
True but at the same time, she probably will have some hard time collabing with Tempus (cuz idol culture stigma). If I remember it correctly, she's the one initiated communication with the bois and brought the barrier down between Holo and Niji at the same time.
I’ve read a comment and I think it explains why Niji is failing at this. Niji is currently having a culture shock because they don’t realize that the western audience has a different reaction than the JP audience. The JP audience would have eaten up these statements at face value but the western audience don’t and this is why they are panicking badly.
JP audience don't give a f**k, they are s***ng on Selen for not following the rules. Kinda disheartened about that. JP fans are going full corpo loyalty.
JP: What are workers' rights?
I find that odd cause you'd have thought that Japan would have understood by now how much those of us, especially us Americans and our Canadian siblings, value individuals. And that we aren't just going to accept, especially with evidence of wrong doing out of their own mouth, whatever excuse a Corporation throws out.
Maybe someone in Niji management thought the overseas audience would only make a loud noise and it quiet down in a week like it usually happens in the videogame sphere. But it didn't happen here because it strikes a nerve with us.
I'm not even a Niji fan, I'm more of a Hololive one. Was only subbed to 1 Niji liver, but the crap they pulled on Selen and others really anger and disappoint me. I absolutely feel sorry for Niji fans, I was hoping that things get better for them in 2024, but the year has only begun and its been nothing but more of the same bad actions from the company.
And this shit show isn't even done. I can see at least the parts the internet has seen still continue till April. And that's still awhile that Niji could still go out and make things worse.
I think what they especially don't understand is that EN, particularly NA fans will go utterly feral if a company does anything illegal. We're very protective of our rights, and will fight to the (metaphorical) death for them.
@@biggestouf It's some kind of cake, right?
The real reason the CEO made that statement was to avoid a fraud accusation on the whole "negligible" press release. Not because of the stock going down, but only because their previous statement could be considered investor fraud.
edit: typos from mobile keyboard
They keep showing how unprofessional and negligent their management is
@@hafirenggayudatruly the “negligible” management of all time
Generally no these statements can not be considered fraud. Because they are classified as a "forward looking statement" which is implied to be a guess at what will happen and is legally treated as such.
However, it makes you look stupid as a leader, so it needs to be addressed anyways if you want a shot of recovering the stock
And considering that if the Japanese police did have their eyes on this, there is a 99% chance that you go to prison. It makes sense he doesn't want to risk it.
indeed, not addressing it would open up to scrutinization,@@derpaholic_rex756
Important to note that Selen lives in Canada, which has a few effects:
1. She is legally allowed to have recorded those conversations, since Canada has one party consent laws for recording
2. She may be able to get classified as a dependent contractor employee, not an independent contractor, which has a lot of legal protections, and if the contract has her as a contractor, and she's treated as such, that may be misclassification
All in all, if Selen is able to sue in a Canadian court, under Canadian law (which she should be able to), Niji will lose
Been calling out legal misinfo all day in these videos but this here is all solid
A more important note unrelated to the legal concerns, she probably wasn't recording to get any dirt on a co-worker. She was probably just recording it so management couldn't lie to her face about favoritism the next time it happened.
@@RWhite_This. As a US engineer i was *TAUGHT* in my engineering ethics classes that recording things like this is an important part of the whistleblowing procedure if you believe you are being mistreated or ignored by management. After trying to resolve things internally, and escalating that attempt as far as you can, get a lawyer and record EVERYTHING so it’s not just a game of he said/she said when it gets to court, but only share those recordings with your lawyer-the point it passes OUT of the protection of attorney-client privilege is when it becomes a breach of privacy. Selen/Doki may have injured the trust she had with Vox by doing it, but she wasn’t recording him to get dirt ON him, just to make sure Niji couldn’t LIE about what they told her LATER.
@@Forakus No it's not. Canada's one party consent law DOESN'T apply to international accounts. Those laws stated are only applicable WITHING the country. Not internationally.
@@mychaeldark1007Vox is British so he has one-party consent too, so the issue is moot.
Zaion laid the groundwork for everything happening now and suffered for it. Whether you liked or hated her, or believed in what she said or not, what she said in the document could not be ignored.
I never doubted her for a second
@@lordtickledck7012 That's great! but how many of those who did not will go back and say sorry? She can't even support Doki without getting hate.
@@Dracoo123789 But that's because she was stupid...
Why would anyone in their right mind apologize to Twitter freaks?
They will forever use that as an admission of guilt from her, even though she was only making jokes
@@Dracoo123789wdym? Anyone in support of Doki rn is a good guy, why would you get hate for that?
@@silver7215 People are still blasting her for what she did in the past and saying because of that her claims don't matter
Niji I'm so proud of you...FOR REVEALING YOURSELF AS A BLACK COMPANY.
Lmao, sounds racist💀
And on Black History Month...oops
This gotta be racist😆🙏
kurosanji
kusosanji
scarle like this
Waiting for Scarle to heart this
@@Beerbottles123They're in deep shit now, so Kusosanji definitely fits better.
what does kurosanji mean again? is it a filler word for that company or does it have to do with mystas new life's name? lol just askin
fun fact: Mr. Man, Doki's new manager, has managed for XQC in the past. I imagine it's a "well you can't be as bad as the last one I had" kind of thing for both of them lmao
I still believe that Niji targeted Selen because she showed too much independence. Nijisanji's corporate culture seems to promote "You are _nothing_ without the company," and Selen was showing that she didn't need them.
I agree with this.
Truthfully, I believe that the management (even tho they would never admit this and I’m probably just overthinking) wanted Selen to go all the way with her attempt because of one reason.
The dead can’t sue you or tell about the company’s abuse.
They could then use her death as an example to cow the others that want to speak out into submission.
This hypothetical scenario is fucking evil to imagine, but I wouldn’t put it past them.
@@RRed19 Seems like the management might have had it planned since December 2023, since this was the month that Selen lost access to her account
You know, It's still ongoing. This won't end until they give up.
Until one of them gave up
@@Lanchrymuse by "they" I meant Nijisanji En.
Gotta milk it while it's hot
Unless Riku Tazumi might have a capability to bribe the judge or court who will handling Selen/Dokibird's case against them so that the verdict will be favor to him.
@@user-cYhjMAHpW Then Doki can demand an investigation about how that judge conducted the trial.
There’s a saying in my language that goes “Don’t count casualties until the war is over” meaning to not do something that’ll soon need to be redone. I say this war is still not over…
In English, it's "Don't count your chickens before they hatch." Same meaning, same reason.
Edit: Chickens, not eggs.
Yeah it's far from done. Instead of just "Full Story" DN should have added "so far" then it turns into documentation how the war begins and it's ongoing strikes.
He did said that this is no longer about Selen but now it's about Nijisanji in general
I'm surprised how calm and well-composed Doki was during her stream when Elira's statement was happening. If I was in her shoes, I definitely wouldn't have it in me to be mature.
I wouldn't say calm, but she took it like a champ. Also helps that the lawyer did his job and gave her a written statement in case something like this happened, so she was prepared
I bet they released it during her stream in the hope it would rattle her and make her say something stupid.
She actually sounded sad, and anxious. Truly painful to hear on the moment. She was trying so hard to breath and not to cry 😢
Notice Doki's inflection during her statement. When she speakes in sentences and at the end of each one her pitch rises, she is fighting to not show emotion. That is utterly unnatural to her and the way she talks normally.
It was like this when Selen had to talk about her projects being brickwalled. It was like this when Doki started her comeback stream. And now this time when she had to leave off the Neopets stream early.
@@DinnerForkTongue of course she is. she nervous at that time. she just lil girls what you can hope when get attacked like that when you still streaming. that just surprise attack to her but good thing she can hold it and already prepare thing for case like this. maybe she still hoping they wont do this stupid but here we are
Honestly.
This whole mess is at a scale where if this ended a Game, it would be an Ace Attorney case, the contradictions are insane, the outright Villainous behavior of Kuroshit makes this hard to believe is real, and the pileup of one mistake or bad decision after another is getting into black comedy levels of bad
KuroNiji is basicslly what happens when a fucking Kuro Corpo of JP decides to drill the well of Anglosphere Vtubing, but fails at the BASIC TASK of adjusting their corporate behavior to comply with Legal and Cultural norms of the market they wanted to develop business into.
They even to today's fiasco, haven't changed. No doubts everything they do internally is what a Black corpo does. And tbh, i WANT this kess to get BIG, like SO BIG THE WHOLE WORLD AUTHORITIES ACT on it, and then, Kuroshit JP, and their KuroButas feel first hand the absolute Karma of paying Black Corpo business their due punishment.
At this point, it will have to hurt Kuroshit even at their homefield.
And the culprit is having an over-the-top meltdown in public as the lies and contradictions continue to pile up.
The absolute IRONY of the fact is that clearly, because they BELIEVED that they still HAVE enough Narrative Control, they can turn this around, perhaps the Ignorant JP base will eat it. But honestly? If i get what i want and the mess becomes a HORRID LEGAL BEATDOWN that ends becoming PUBLIC (Tbh this SHOULD become public) and the sour as a lemon face if the CEO pops in public media about being caught in court of pulling absurdly illegal shit against their contracted livers, if that won't make the likes of Nintendo BLACKLIST their talents from ever streaming their games, it should be EA with Apex (The JP base for that game is HUGE) while granting Doki an Ambassador status for Apex, either of those will be enough to COLLAPSE that company down into a medium-low corpo at very least.
All Kuroshit has done, is the best worst example of how BAD the JP norms of prioritizing surface stability of society and the Face (aka Honor and Reputation) of the higher ranked people. I am tbh at the piint where it kay be needed for JP as a whole to earn a NUCLEAR BLACK EYE in the field of Entertainment so they HAVE to fix their shit, their own culture has to be put against them to force a change, if nothing changes, expect MORE Kuroshits to pop and perhaps one of them succeed where Kuroshit failed, ending a talent's future by leading them to self minoskraft
@@andrehashimoto8056I don't think so. Japan is barely if at all willing to face the core reasons why their population is declining. A "nuclear black eye" won't do much to affect a widescale cultural change.
Call in the witnesses, Stella Suspens, Apo Strophe, and Gol Denyat.
Millie is one of those people whose incapable of putting themselves in other people's shoes. Her opinions are based ONLY on her point of view. Which is really sad honestly.
This. I can't believe Millie is being a bully, at least not intentionally. Her being mentioned in the document also still didn't prove anything. It doesn't automatically means she is a bully.
But analyzing her streams, she might have blurted something that would sound wrong out of context~
This, I can see Millie as tone deaf, or not reading the room, but not a bully.
Millie, the student that turn a blind eye when she saw you being bullied.
Yup, I'm just going to consider her dumb, firstly for not understanding other people can be treated differently by management than herself, and secondly dumb for bringing up permissions in public tweets not understanding that you're not supposed to air out this laundry publicly for a multitude of reasons.
But I'm not going to believe she's a bully. Enna always said that Millie is a bit naive and puts her trust in the wrong people, and this tracks.
If she hadn't been in a black company this unfortunate personality weakness wouldn't have mattered and she herself wouldn't have had to suffer from the company tainting her image.
Coming soon: The new Gacha game made by Anycolor Inc - Negligible Impact.
Now you too can spend Primogems to roll for who gets fired next!
Is the 5 star gacha rate at a flat 2%?
With no pity system only a petty system
HAHAHAHAHAHHA FUCK YOU THATS A GOOD ONE
...Wait hold up, a Gacha where you roll to get rid of characters; that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard and yet...
Every update they refresh the banner with new characters who are added to your roster instantly, and you have to pull to free them from their waifubait torment.
I believe the story of the one named Selen Tatsuki ends here. However, for the one named Dokibird it is only beginning and those in her past will keep hounding her. But we will side with her until the end.
As she stands up, overcome her past. She will see this until the end.
If it takes forever, no surrender now or never
Our last stand
@@Ren-ps6reLovely reference, I applaud you
This is like a prologue and a chapter 1, there is still much more to come.
Apostrophes was just a rrat, but the capitalization of "Dragoons" was what tipped a lot of people off
? She never capitalised?
I'll preface this by saying I don't watch streamers or vtubers, but I heard about DokiBird on the official NeoPets Discord and was excited to see her play. I've been casually playing for over 15 years now and was happy to see someone with an audience as large as hers come and check out the site. After her stream ended last night, I had to do research to understand what was going on and it's heartbreaking. I am sad that the first experience I was going to have with a vtuber was brought to an end by a petty company who just won't leave her alone. I wish her all the best and look forward to seeing nothing but great things from her in the future.
Holy shit dude this must have been the craziest way to come across this nuclear fire. (Also hi I also play neopets lol)
I was today years old when I found out there's a neopets website, and that neopets still exists.
@@solitarelee6200 Same here (Or I did, went on yesterday and found out my pet was dying)
There is another youtuber who enjoys neopets, two actually. You should check out their collab: Mavia and Pipkin Pippa.
She just wanted to play Neopets damn it
I barely watch Scarle, but after seeing her stand up against Nijisanji, I now have a new found respect for her. Going against a company you work for takes balls. I'll be supporting Scarle in her next vtuber life 👍
Now if only she could clean her room
Outsider's perspective, but this entire thing is just so interesting, I can't stop looking up stuff about it. As someone who suffered under cliques and clique-like behavior for a significant portion of my life, it's vindicating to see similar behavior be exposed and rightfully demonized by the majority. People like that find their power in outnumbering their victims, in finding camaraderie and a support group that enables their antics and protects them from ever being truly called out or having to reconsider their attitude and demeanor, but as can be seen here, the moment they are outnumbered their perceived superiority and unimputability crumbles like sandpaper.
What I see here is a coworker clique, likely involving both streamers and managers, who got way out of hand, being control freaks with their combined influence on their company and, as is obligatory of cliques, attempting to isolate and humiliate anyone who they consider unworthy of joining their special little group or does not fit in with their general mentality. It really says a lot that if they hadn't had a meltdown and done that disaster stream, just let the CEO do his scripted statement and lie the fuck low, this really might've just been a sour footnote. But they either are afraid of the metaphorical eye of Sauron gazing their way now that they've done the worst thing you can do to a multimillionnaire corporation, which is upset their investors/shareholders, and are pulling a really scummy scapegoat move; or they really do care that much about convincing everyone that they did not do anything bad, they were just having fun, see? It's not their fault, they didn't want to hurt anyone, it was she who overreacted!
I never really was a big drama consumer but this shit's like watching a nature documentary. So fascinating. Also really shit for this girl who had to go through it all, genuinely don't wish shit like this on anyone, but fascinating nonetheless.
Gonna call it.
Both Khyo and Depressed Nousagi will each hit 100k before June.
TIME FOR THEM TO GET THEIR PLAY BUTTONS 🥳
Dont forget parrot
DONT FORGET THE GREEN PARROT
Seriously? Give my man Parrot to take break god damnit kurosanji😂
@@muhammadrizkysopiansyah447 the parrot ends up overworking because of niji, the irony lmao
8:44 I strongly believe that Selen intended this to be her graduation song, and this fact would nicely explain why she went ahead and uploaded it even when management tried to hold her back. She had long since gotten all the necessary third party permissions after all. The final confirmation for me was learning that she sang this song before, when Dokibird graduated to join Niji.
She just wanted to make people happy 😢
Now she can after all she's back in bird form
@@bashamd96Yea!!!!! She is FREE
We need to do our best to make _her_ happy. As some other company's talents say, there's a smile to protect in here.
@@DinnerForkTongue i got my smile protected by twin doggo's now my time to protect yellow long neck birb to smile. it is a job they entrust to ppl who got protected by them..
Such people will always be punished the most by the modern world and the belief of the people within it that everyone is out there solely for themselves.
Man, I remember when Yugo graduated unceremoniously, that he had said some things that shouldn't have been said on stream. He wasn't given any council with management or punishments and was just let off so harshly.
Then Zaion was terminated with rules violation but terrible statements on both Zaion and Niji part made both parties seem guilty. Unfortunately, NijiEN was growing and Zaion suffered some nasty harassment.
Nina, Mysta, Kyo and Pomu all left NijiEN due to a lack of faith in management. A limitation on their creativity and content creation career is enough to leave. Particularly Pomu, who CRIED on stream because her dream, an opportunity of a lifetime, was denied by Niji.
Selen is fucking loved by all sides, she IS the Ame of NijiEN. She made so many moments happened, so many projects. VRchat train, lofi EN songs, all the apex collabs, tournament participation, attention to ID, attention to artists and clippers with Niji Bites. Man, I can't list out all of Selen's achievements FOR NijiEN. She spent 200k CAD on all her strives, and Riku finally came out to say their support to EN branch was lackluster. NO Shit? Your closest competitor at least gave away 1million yen (9k CAD) as a grand prize for projects. Niji EN was left to fend for themselves, livers were sponsoring each other's projects. NIJI'S WORST mistake will always be their CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS that completely destroyed their credibility and reputation. This is pure shit management, PR and proper translation.
And to think that the true consequences of this nuclear fallout will only start manifesting over the upcoming weeks/months....
On one hand, there'll be a proper legal war between Doki and Nijisanji, the outcome of which will likely set a precedent for the entire vtubing industry.
On the other, we'll likely see most EN talents trying to leave the sinking, radioactive yacht as quickly as possible, before their reputation is irreperably tarnished by association. Some of them may succeed in transitioning to indie, but many careers will be ruined.
In terms of sheer impact and the stakes of the situation, this is probably the biggest vtubing incident ever.
The legal war will concern me. Corporations are very very very good at exhausting their opponents even when the case is clearly and strongly against them. It's happened with my mum vs one of her old employers and it's been happening with my dad vs his insurance company.
Precedent? More like the decline of the vtubing😂 Governments won’t let loose of labour laws anymore, even for those anonymous (just see the mandatory named registration here in China)
@@DrPonner Yeah tbh, Nijisanji still got plenty livers for ammunition stock, even if their testimony is dogshit they probably will last longer than doki in court
@@DrPonner They usually are, indeed, except when the battle involves such a large field of the internet that it becomes a lethal wound to their PR. Especially an entertainment company, that _needs_ the audience and cannot make a living off of government contracts.
@@DinnerForkTongue The court of public opinion will for sure always have a separate judgment.
i was really sad when i found out enna was one of the bullies. she was one of my oshis and I'd seen her past mistakes but could have never imagined she could be so cruel... this whole situation has left me so sad, but doki is still here and i will support her forever! dragoons march forward!
Allegedly....
@astergrimm I mean yeah but seeing her address is on selen statement and the way she's been acting these past few days she is the number 1 suspect. If this was among us she would be the first one voted out.
@@kinglightning5256bro u did not just compare this to amongus 💀💀💀
@@henryceda8498 I was trying to find an example and among us came to mind lol 🤷♂️
My gut is in unease, but I'm sticking to my principles and see all sides of the story.
Before Elira's Statement, I wanted to believe in the Niji members. I wanted to believe that they weren't capable of pushing others to self-harm. But unfortunately, we all got the bad ending. February 12th 2024, many fans lost their oshis (including me, Elira)
I don't want to be that person as I don't know the truth yet, no one does. But I and others think that they were forced to say this or else would get in trouble. They are the biggest members of en branch at the moment. So them saying what seemed to be read off a script, was nijisanji way of trying to calm the dumpster fire they have fueled even more now.
Again, we can't say for certain that this was nijijs doing, and not the talents own will. But as it stands, it looks like it's the company and not the talents. So as many have said...
Target the company
Not the talents!
@jayflare7580 "Forced" is the contentious part. How forced do you need to be to throw a "friend" under the bus that just attempted suicide for your company. There's a ton of different speculations, but we just gotta wait.
If they don't give a good reason for doing it, rip their current and future good faith forever. Not that it's a good thing, but they will be harassed constantly, even if they leave to go indie
Oh so you believe totally that Selen is telling the truth? Google "confirmation bias"
@@Mihreszs How about you google "knob polisher".
@@jayflare7580 Some of it that may be true, a lot of it reads like it was scripted. It's one thing to say "these reported events (from Selen) do not line up with our version of events" or something vague but I find it hard to believe Vox's tangents about how he considered graduating with her at one point in solidarity and now feels betrayed was something that was prepared for him or that he was forced to say. You're right we don't know the truth but I'm inclined to believe that everyone involved was more related to the situation than just the first meatshields Niji management lined up to make a statement, if anything they volunteered for it. The video didn't need to go on Elira's channel, Niji EN has its own.
From a personal experience, if you face mismanagement, bullying or harassment in your work place, try to have a voice recording for self protection.
In most country this is legal to do so as long as you are directly involved. There is quite a different between recording your working experince and ears dropping.
If you take the case to the court, such voice docunment will be a strong evident. Don't feel shame for taking self defense for your own good.
I've been on Sayu's side since her termination. As someone whose worked in the food industry, I will NEVER side with a company. Companies have full control over employees so I don't feel bad for them in anyway, shape, or form. Especially if those companies are corrupted like Nijisanji.
This. Know your pain comrade.
The only reason I didn't support Sayu, was because several talents said they warned her of her behavior. I remember thinking something like "It's possible that the talents have a toxic clique that would sell out own friends/colleagues, but that seems like a pretty big leap to make from just Sayu's statement alone."
If only I knew...
@@RWhite_ you'd be surprised how fast and easily cliques form. Mainly to keep fire off of the members and on the ones they deem as outsiders.
@@southernflight5078 It wasn't the existence of a clique that I doubted, but specifically that they would be so toxic they'd immediately sell out a friend/coworker and paint her as a rogue agent who just couldn't handle the professional standards of Nijisanji.
She gave her all, expecting nothing in return, all with a smile.
They drove her to almost taking her own life.
When Nijisanji crumbles, i hope her bullies carry the guilt for the rest of their lives.
People like that don't have shame. In fact they likely celebrated and didn't give a shit. It's when they see her success despite everything while they flounder....THAT my friend is when they will be guilty.
@@groudongamer3178which happened already
Dokibird is getting all the wins
the black company gets all the loses
They are drowning in the tarpits made by their corrupt ways while Dokibird flies freely in the skies above shinning like a golden idol
*kurosanji/puppetsanji.
@@groudongamer3178 so you just proved @konnen7354's point
It is the perfect example of problems in modern society making people with selfless nature and empaths progressively more mentally ill.
As someone who's been in an abusive relationship and would frequently say "I wish I had recorded that instant of abuse from months ago so I can use it in my defense right now", I do not see any moral problem with Selen recording her conversation with Vox.
Besides, Doki lives in a one-party consent area.
9:09 doesn't help that was her last song as "Doki" before became "Selen".
Zaion, a prophet who foresaw the end of the world, tried to expose the world being the house of cards but nobody believed her. Nina was the keeper and bestower of luck, but she was kicked out of heaven because she gave out too much luck and wealth, upsetting the balance of the world. For Mysta, in his journey to seek the truth, was taken away by a mysterious force and transported to a dark place, only to escape it by finding a light at the end of a tunnel. Elira Pendora was at odds with her dragon half-sister, Selen Tatsuki, and turned on each other. By banishing her, Vox Akuma used his voice demon powers to try to compel people to side with him, along with Ike Evenland, a renown novelist, to spin up a story that others may believe. Selen Tatsuki, being a dragon racer, took her fastest dragons to escape the prison.
Dude, how did you manage to tie their (cringe) lore into this whole debacle, I can't XDDD
I admit this is a pretty interesting way you wrote the story. I have one question....where does that leave the fairy Pomu?
Let's see where Scarle and Nina will land at
*SEIG ZAION~*
You forgot the part where they killed Selen, but in the twist no one saw coming, she turned out to be a tomato in a skinsuit
People also have forgotten about Roa incident same bully between talents and Niji still letting happens. Niji didn't learn anything and will not change.
Not the dying light soundtrack this shit gives me chills everytime i hear it
Forget Niji EN turning over a new leaf. I hope the branch ends up being dissolved. Between Hololive continuing to flourish, Vshojo repairing their somewhat iffy reputation with some notable subtractions and additions, IDOL and Phase Connect growing, and all of the indies our their (like Doki), EN is covered.
I would love to see a company pop up that helps indies the same way corps are supposed to help their talents. Probably not as closely, but a company that would connect indies with sponsors that would most likely have a good, long-term relationship.
@@southernflight5078 technically is vshojo with the freedom & keeping of the avatar after graduation and so on
@@Interpause True, but you kinda already have to be an established performer before Vshojo will hire you. It would be cool to have something available for smaller streamers.
if the lawsuit ended by doki as winner, unfortunately dissolving EN branch is the best solution.... a "too late damage control" for saving face, and to save their only main branch... the JP branch.
I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Vox, Elira and Ike would be "invited" to make a court appearance now after reading that managment-prepared statement to be cross examined on what exactly did Nijisanji let & not let them see from Selen's lawyers & medical records. Sucks to be them.
My hunch is that at least Elira and Vox would have been invited for a deposition anyway if or when the lawsuite wouldve gone forward. At least as witnesses.. maybe even as accused.
Thats probably the reason why they where shown the documents in the first place.
As a German vtuber who lives in His own bubble hearing this gives me chills. And appearently people in this region of the world are used to it?
I will stay in my small German bubble thank you very much. Whatever this insanity is i will let it stay outside the boarder 😂
It's not normal. It's not even that possible outside of the agency models where companies own the character & exert more control. That doesn't seem to have made it far outside JP and hololive/nijisanji
From my understanding it's mainly based from Japanese work laws, and work culture
And it then leaks into other vtuber scenes such as the american scene as an example
@@gigitrix thats good to hear honestly. Makes my heart a little lighter having that Hope. That others out there dont get abussed like that. Watching this story is so terrifying. Seeing how they all dance with words Out of fear that legal stuff can Ruin them
@@exaderstahlYeah, most people and agencies in America find practices like these absurd and reprehensible. For good reason, because people shouldn’t be worked to death like this
This is not normal. You can tell because it lit the entire EN sphere on fire. But I respect and understand the decision to retreat to the bubble. Let the language barrier be your gatekeeper if you are happy, it could save you much trouble in your scene.
Niji is lashing out at Selen like she's the reason for all of this coming down on them now, but it's just the consequences of everything they've done (nothing to help) that led to this point.
basically feelings over facts (this is why western corpos feel soulless, probably)
I just realized something... I'm not much of a niji fan but i have watched a lot of their clips. and one of then I remembered Nina talking about being excluded from the rest of Ethyria, and she claimed it was due to age difference... but now, I'm thinking there's more to that
Oh goodness
Yeah, "Selen" used those apostrophes in the past. Did you ever consider this wasn't the first time management had sent out a tweet over that account?
Yep to avoid blame just throw your own talents under the bus then turn around and say there was no bullying at all. And they are TERRIBLE at covering their own tails and in the end it’s going to bit them hard once the end has come.
I watched Doki’s stream from the start and I didn’t even realize that she saw the notice while mid-stream. She handled it like an absolute badass. I keep praying for her and wish her the best as a new dragoon fan
Welcome to the ranks, private. Hail Doki! 🏆
@@De_Vegi It’s an honor to be apart of the team
>"NnNoOOOooOOoo if it's a personal project you have to bankroll it yourself!!!1!!!!111!"
>still takes all the money from the privately funded event
>"how DARE people call us a black company?!?!?!?!?!??!?!"
This was really well done man. As someone who never really followed Nijisanji, aside from subscribing to everyone in general support of the Vtuber community and watching some clips here and there, I can say there is a LOT of info here that I had no idea about. I wasn't completely unaware that things were going south; it's hard not to notice the seemingly nonstop graduations, even as a casual Niji viewer. There is so much I want to say, but I don't want to write a whole essay. All I can say is that I feel like I've gone through just about every emotion possible several times over the past couple days and feel like I've spent weeks pouring over videos like this and scouring the comments sections. I absolutely hate that things went down this way. I hate that other talents are "catching strays" regardless of their involvement. I don't even like that Elira, Vox, and Ike are taking this beating even though they put themselves out there as targets (willingly or not). The whole situation blows my mind, and I just can't believe how badly it was handled considering, as primarily a Hololive viewer, I've seen how comparitively well terminations can be done painful, yes, but also swift, professional, and to the point while also allowing the talents to express their thoughts and feelings with us as viewers to create an environment of understanding, bonding, and trust. Side note: I'm not saying Holo hasn't made mistakes or that they are infallible; just that, from my personal experience, they handle things cleanly and learn as much as possible from their mistakes.
My second biggest "WTF" is the whole statement made by Elira, Vox, and Ike. If they weren't pressured from within, all they had to do was nothing. Even IF everything they said was 100% true, there was still no reason to make a statement like that and turn the dumpster fire into a forest fire. If they felt the need to speak, they could have easily kept it REALLY simple and respectful with something along the lines of "We understand these are upsetting and difficult times; it's unfortunate these things have occurred, and we are saddened by this loss. Please continue to support us, blah blah blah, and we wish Selen/Dokibird the best in her future endeavors." Even if they don't believe it at all, just say it as professionals, move on, and let the rest be handled by legal. The most positive outcome of all this is that a giant spotlight was shined into the depths of the black company and, of course, Dokibird herself; the amount of love, support, solidarity, sponsors, and opportunities she now has is incredible. The loyalty of existing Dragoons was solidified even more, and she gained an "army" of newly minted ones, including myself. I stand with Dokibird and the Dragoons with nothing but love, respect, and excitement for where this new chapter takes her. I likely never would have even noticed if this had gone down quietly, but Dokibird stood up and roared after being beaten down. Nothing but massive love and respect for her. 💛💛
Shit, I guess that kind of turned into an essay after all. RIP to anyone's eyes who acutally reads this. 🪦
Selen didn't need a company.
She needed a lawyer, couple mods and a manager.
Kurosanji was the worst match for her.
Still watching through, but now knowing about the "Japanese apostrophe" and seeing it on the "livers' international events" tweet... oh boy
Well with the "Japanese apostrophe" thing it could easily be explained away by the "technology" used but I have doubts
The "volunteering" was likely management's decision - but I think the general consensus that it was these 3 named as the bullies in that to be probably be right.
The way Vox talked irked me the wrong way, and makes me think he was a part of it. Something about it felt like gaslighting that would have really pegged him as a bully.
It didn't read as a script from him, and rather his own comments and that is quite damning.
tbf Vox IS a proper actor. Roleplaying is second nature to him so you wouldn't notice a script either way
Given that he slipped and mentioned reading "thoroughly" through documents that he should not have had, plus other mid-sentence additions make me think that he may have had bullet points, but was otherwise off the cuff. He started off calm but seemed damn near incensed by the end.
Dude also pulled an example of Chekhov's gun - If you don't absolutely need to include it, don't. Nothing of his story about the recording had any relevance until he said it, so one can easily conclude that he should not have said diddlysquat... or he could have, that word is better than any of the ones he said on stream. Similarly, he provided no receipts except for screenshots of a spliced conversation, which may have context omitted for their benefit, about the video. Nothing else had anything of substance other than DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Oppressor). Similarly, the Niji response to confidentiality concern was Fred Clark's Law because incompetence and malice from Niji seems indistinguishable at this point.
Vox means voice in latin and he made a mistake in using his for this.
I thought I was the only one irked by how he says or narrates things from his perspective in that specific stream. Just comes off very gaslightey
This video is actually genuinely underated and this is actually surreal almost like a fever dream
2 of the most critical pieces of evidence here for me is when contractors came forward saying niji didn't pay them but selen paid them out of her own pocket. that to me signals that selen gets all the credibility in the world and anything niji says should be HELLA scrutinized. then finally the second piece comes when niji released their statement saying they privated the video because selen didn't get the proper approvals, THEN like 3 sentences later they say that selen lied when she said that management privated the video. bold faced lie that you then confirm is a lie by your own damn self?! also the whole approval bullshit, she had that project in the works for a whole YEAR, everyone involved said they gave her permission. so the ONLY approval left was for management to say yea go ahead post the thing you worked on for a whole year and paid a ton of people for. but management couldn't even be effed to do that and when it gets posted they throw a fit because she didn't crawl and beg on her knees for them to let her post it? fk niji man, and screw all of the vtubers who caved to niji and posted support for niji. get some god damn integrity and just quit that PoS company or tell them no when they ask you to do reprehensible shit like that.
"We're not going to help you with any of your projects, but everything you do has to go through us before you upload it."
While the fallout continues to spread, Doki has been back to her old streaming account and has been... so wholesomely happy.
The one thing that I can garner from all of this is that Doki is simply a better person than anyone who stands against her will ever know. She told the public that livers were bullying her, she was willing to not drag people through the mud when she very much could have easily done so. She was ready to simply move on and be done; hell, I wouldn't be surprised if she was kind enough to forgive any of the livers who did bully her as long as they were willing to reach out and make amends out of their own volition and truly show that they've changed. Unfortunately now, even if this did happen, I feel like it would only seem fake due to all the backlash the current suspects are facing.
I've never really considered myself a fan of Nijisanji as a company, or really any Vtuber agency, but rather the talents themselves. I was introduced to NijiEN talents in late 2021 and have follwed them for a while(mainly Nina, Enna, Scarle and Selen). This whole situation is just so sad to see unfold because not only are innocents caught in the cross fire, not only are people being outed as, very likely, bullies, not only can Doki not move on yet, but also because I had a similar situation happen to me so this just feels so relatable to me. I remember how bad I felt when i went so through my situation so I can only imagine how AWFUL it feels to be caught up in this drama, no matter what side you're on.
My heart goes out to all of those affected by this, especially Doki and the innocents in the NijiEN branch.
Alright Yagoo, do your magic and make another miracle happen like what you did for the puppers
I believe, and even other fans believe
Pomu has very high chances to get her spot in Hololive
Especially supported by a fairly recent post from Shinri that auditions ARE still open
Nah, i can guarantee you Hololive will not hire someone who break copyrights law as they please.
@@legendarydigitize2523because Hololive audition always open either for talent or staff. But Holo is not Niji that always debuting talent so often, so for someone who following Holo will know that the next will either be Hololive ID 4 or Holostar JP 5 since Hololive JP just debuting ReGloss, Hololive EN just debuting Advent and Holostar EN just debuting Armies. So in my opinion Mika have more chance to join Holo now.
Its fascinating that JP nijifans are seeing it the opposite because of the lack of knowledge and context (probably because of the language barrier). This reminds me of the Aloe suspension. Too quick to say something. No need to hate them for it. They’ll eventually see what is happening or somebody will explain it to them.
classic, oh wait this is mainly EN branch lol
Those livers’ statements when they “took a break to heal themselves” sound like a slap to the cheeks, insult, and salt poured on the wound to Selen it’s not even funny.
The problem with the events' funding is that Selen wasn't allowed to find sponsors to help fund the events, because sponsorships would have to go through management. Since Nijisanji also refused to fund, the literal only way she had left was taking out of her own pocket. And to make it worse, even if the fans tried to help fund the event by donating to her, most of the money would end up going to Nijisanji and not Selen anyway.
As a Scarling, I admit that Scarle can be disorganised, socially awkward, and does not handle stressful situations well.
But she's also honest and determined. Once she's set her mind on doing something, she'll follow through without fail, or proper planning (which has always been a source of great comedy on her streams)
In short, we love her. Kurosanji has not treated her the way she deserves; and if they make her leave, we Scarlings will go with her. All the while burning everything on our way out.
I was never a huge fan of Scarle, mostly because I never looked into her or her content. That said, as a dragoon, I can recognize loyalty when I see it. I salute you, my not so distant cousin. I’ll bring the matches
You are Scarling ? You know what, there are someone called Ami Yoshiko said 'I'll be back soon" recently.
I think calling this entire thing negligible is the worst thing they could have done.
Everyone knows about the impact on the community but let's think about the investors.
The company you invested in, shot itself in the thigh and said "tis but a scratch"
This isn't a monty python sketch, you're going to pull your investment out, either cus it's evident that the company is lying or grossly incompetent. Once the folk who are paying attention pull out, the less involved investors will notice the drop and be like "why did this happen" and then see the dumpster fire and pull their money out as well.
The only way to calm the investors was to say: "This is going to be difficult but we can recover in the long run"
This wouldn't have pissed the community off and nijisanji wouldn't have quadrupled the target on their back.
OH MAN GOD LOOK GURA IS STREAMING SEMI-CONSISTENTLY, SUCH A HUGE NEWS ITS BEEN LONG TIME SINCE THAT HAPPENS.
Ah and also nijisanji is absolutely burning their own place again, Wednesday spirit am i right?
As a fan of Enna's content, this has been a massive shit show. Now I'm anxiously waiting for Doki to drop her next statement and receipts to find out whether my oshi is complicit to bullying sigh. I really want to believe that Enna would not stoop so low but we've seen how some livers can behave completely differently behind closed doors. I still have faith until anything conclusive emerges.
That aside, I'm dumbfounded at how bad Niji are at PR and the pathetic amount of "support" Niji have been giving the EN branch. In the long term I think all livers in NijiEN should look towards taking their careers elsewhere.
Honest insanity, Niji- Kurosanji has outted themselves, I never seen a major company self destructed like this in the vtuber world.
hello, i'm you're friendly doctor and i just wanted to say that if these videos are exhausting you mentally take a break you wont miss out on anything, just the usual kurosanji fuck ups.
and you get some nice compilation/catch up videos afterwards, summarising everything from the likes of DN and Parrot4chan
3 videos in a same day, this guy has GUTS
Nousagi on that grind
Probably the biggest Vtuber incident since Kiryu Coco.
Thanks for this, atleast we can conclude Selen's journey and start a new one as Dokibird❤
I remember that Tsukino Mito complined years ago about niji management and even compared it to a black company, so if JP had such bad management the EN side must be even worst than we imagine
My Filipino jalapeño, we're only in act 2! We gotta batten down the hatch and hold off niji's tismy death throws
My Filipino Jalapeño
Love the ring on that name hahahah
But yes, unfortunately, it was Selen's final act, and now begins Nijisanji's. Here's to the yacht to be sunk ☕
Like i understand they don't wanna loose their nijisanji spot but i find the other talents throwing selen under the bus fucking disgusting. If they were even a bit smart theybwould realise this was the perfect chance ro rally themself in support for her boycott nijisanji and possibly get better terms for themselfs if enough if them boycotted.
Ahh well at least Scarle isn't endorsing it.
My guess is
-Selen are way too active for the NijiEN liking.
-Selen did move before authorization are secured
- NijiEN management didn't give authorization to her to probably bully her
Your guess is wrong, Selen breached Niji's copyrights law and that's why the company said its hard to work with her.
@@Mihreszs your statement is my 2nd point.
Queue "Free bird SOLO" with Doki holding a guitar
I just checked their website and Selen's profile is still up and they're still selling merch of her...
Dragoons being the real ones in this. Their ability to unite and cause so much discourse for nijisanji deserves a ton of praise.
To quote Pomu and Selen in one of their collabs
Pomu: “dragoons aren’t loyal!”
Selen: “they’re loyal to ME”
nah, sum "tourist" tryna ruin dragoons effort by making the fire BIG. like, foul and big, a toxic one.
Scarle's PL has "I'll be back soon" so it is quite likely that she will be leaving Niji soon one way or another.
hint?
@@Souls4Roca Ami Yoshiko
@@gokbay3057excellent hint
@@De_Vegithis shit made me giggle
I would have made a clever hint if I could but tbh I had no idea how to hint at it vaguely other than just giving the name.
Then again the PL taboo seems to really dying (especially in the EN sphere, especially in the case of Nijisanji), so I don't think it is a problem.
A great summary. Finally everything make sense. I wish there is also a Japanese version of this; I wish to share this to my friends over there, but knowing their English skill I doubt that they will understand even a quarter of this lol
Very well made video documenting this situation!
The sheer stupidity displayed to not realise that you have in your hands a person that basically is the MJ of Vtubers, a goat, with all the characteristics needed to be huge, a field of gaming where she is absolutely amazing (FPS), a charismatic personality, an amazing imagination and creativity, boundless, brewing possibilities, contacts and a caring and genuine personality that makes attracting and working with others easy, and Kurosanji almost extinguished her, not even accounting for other talented people, if they had just supported her and got out of her way they could have made an empire from the EN branch.
I am so happy she got out of there and found a purpose again, and the fact that they won't leave her in peace is just disgusting, stay strong Doki, you can achieve everything you imagine, and now you have people around you supporting and helping you, not bringing you down, the sky is the limit.
I watch it after Doki's stream for now just gonna boost it in the alghorithm
Thank you so much for this video.
Is super complete and have all the things hapens this days.
I want to see this case at the end.
I am so proud to say, I never stopped being a massive skeptic with Nijisanji ever since I had learned of them way back in late 2019.
This is a disaster beyond comprehension, one thing to point out was that Elira stated that EVERYONE knew Selen was in the hospital before she was terminated, and yet Enna during that membership stream still said that line, "I think you guys would still support me even if I killed someone..."
Even if it was taken out of context or it was a misunderstanding...she knew and still made that tasteless joke.
Why bring it up? Because there's now an ongoing narrative that "wE shOULd LiSteN tO bOtH sIdEs" to get the full picture, but had Selen/Doki succeeded, there wouldn't be another side and we know ppl would victim blame a dead girl
And that is why NijiEN will burn because as the saying goes: Your sins WILL find you 😐
Honestly a bit surprised you released this early considering there's still a lot more to be uncovered pending Doki's upcoming statement and the fallout from whatever _that_ reveals. I was somewhat expecting you to let it sit for a little longer and wait until all of the facts were out in the open before doing your "The Full Story" video.
Doki's fight against Niji and Selen's termination are distinct enough events to warrant their own chapters I recon.
What you're hoping from dramatuber? They will cook whatever in the table even with the meat and important ingredients not at the table yet lmao
In the description it is stated that this video is part 1 tho
In the video he says there's a part 2 coming. In the interest of expediency you have to report things as they come out, you can't just wait forever on the off chance another shoe drops.
@Swordfish728 I posted this 2 minutes after the video aired. _Nobody_ saw the "Part 2" announcement at the end by the time I posted this.
Also, my point still stands that there's still a lot we still don't know that is yet to be discovered. For example, the MafuMafu leaks turned public opinion on Mikeneko on its head. There is still a very VERY small (like less than 0.1%) chance that the same can still happen here. I'm not suggesting Niji redeems itself. I think that's a closed absolute 0% chance. But there's always the possibility that Doki's "receipts" step too far and make the community step back and go "huh... maybe _both_ parties were a-holes on this one." Again, very VERY small chance, but a chance all the same.
Man, I still remember when people thought Hololive managers were the ones not letting their talents collab with nijisanji. And people gave shit to Hololive for it. Oh, have the tables have turned.
3 videos in a day WOOOOO
Everything in Elira's statement should've been private. It's truly sad how much information we know now. Again, it should've private. I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually learn everything since Nijisanji can't seem to keep their mouths shut.
Good work, I think this pretty much sum things up!! Man what a goddamned mess...
Thank you so much for making this video.
Man, I'm at 10 minutes of a 45 min video and we're already at the cup of coffee. Really speaks to the amount of fuck-up Niji has been doing, that less than two months cover the remaining time...
Waiting for version 2 after this story has actually wrapped up ^^
18:20 Unlike Selen, Sayu was fairly new, so I think people don't know her well enough to comment much. Selen's case was vastly different and had support from people who she had worked with and the audience knew she had worked with, came up to speak up in support for her over the mess of a termination notice put out by Anycolor. There were a lot more weight and support behind Selen, who had been there for so long, as compared to Sayu.
I hope asmon reacts to your stuff, Nousagi. Every video you make has such a nice calm tone to it and really the grey or dark sides of the vtuber culture.
Specifically, the hogwarts video and the vtuber caricatures
9:59 now discovering all what we discovered.. talents KNEW the issues with Selen's video and management before she released the song to the public. So Millie was NOT "BEING WORRIED" in oublic and just being naive, heck NAH, she was just being SASSY, but sad thing, is this silent form of "bullying" is so subtle that only the person involved could understand, to the rest of people, she could be seen as "innocently giving advice at not the right time"... Millie such bully sassy gurl.
Thanks for all your hard work!!
It’s only really sad that many people, myself included, would rather their various Oshi’s graduate than stay at Kurosanji.
If Scarle, Kotoka, Meloco, and Kunai leave this dreadful company, I’ll follow them wherever they go. Staying at his black company is bad for them.
I honestly feel so bad for TTT, they came onto the scene with no fanfare with many people seeing them as evidence of Kurosanji constantly spitting out Livers.
They haven’t even been around for a quarter of a year and their entire branch has seemingly caught fire and is going down.