d300 pound for pound one of the best cameras Nikon ever made. I shoot better shots than a lot of my peers, who are using d800+. Only the ISO lets it down at night.
Wow, thanks for such a great in-depth analysis, which is still relevant today in 2021. I am looking at a used D800 or a used D810. The price gap is still there in the second hand market. I could get a D800 plus get a lens (albeit it would have to be a second hand lens), for the price of just a used D810 body.
Agreed. I am sticking with my D800 and have never even once contemplated upgrading. It is a massively good camera and still does everything I need. No need whatsoever to move as yet. Cheers.
I'm still using the D800 that I purchased from B&H in 2012, I didn't upgrade to the D810 because I didn't see enough of a difference in reviews to justify the cost of a new camera. I use it with a Tamron 35 f/1.8 VC or Tamron 45 f/1.8 VC. I watched your review of the Tamron lenses before making my purchase from B&H. Appreciate all your informative and honest reviews!
The thing you must consider about the ISO 64 is that it is native on the D810. Canon 5D3 has ISO 50 but its an extended mode. This means that on the canon, you'll get less light to the sensor but not less noise. The Nikon will actually have less noise with 64 ISO being native to the sensor and not extended.
Just stumbled on this video after buying one but why do a review when you keep saying "I haven't had a chance to play with that yet". Maybe play with it then review it?
I really want the d810 because I can’t afford a d850 .....I know this camera was made in 2015 I think I want to shoot landscapes and think megapixel rating will assist
Thanks so much for an interesting and informative video, especially at the end. I am a still photographer contemplating a full-frame DSLR, and briefly owned a D600. Nice images but the build quality left me a bit cold. The question I was really looking to answer was, "slightly used D800 at $1600, or D810 at twice the price". You very effectively answered the question for me. Thanks again.
An amazingly informative video - Thank you so much ! As for I am not a pro, I am buying pre generation cameras, beeing offerd at a fraction of the launch price. Currently now today in 2023 I own the D800E with the 16-35, 50, 85 and a budget Sigma zoom. Now is the time to look for a used Nikon D810. Your video explained precisely the issues I am interested in. Here in Germany ebay offers bodies D810 around 600€, which Is making me very excitingly nervous ...
Nikon D810 improved the image quality, video quality, ISO performance, dynamic range, features, options, battery life over the D800. So, its a totally new and improved camera. Period.
very good. ive had this unit for quite a while and I'm still learning. I'm not a video guy, I might shoot one once in a while but I need to know my equipment inside and out.
Thanks for the review. I also thought this hands-on review of the 810 was helpful. Nikon D810 Review (vs 5D Mark III): Landscapes, portraits, sports, studio & night photography
Would've been nice to see the fs700 shooting slog2 for the comparison. The dynamic range at that picture profile is amazing, especially in 4k RAW! Not to mention the base sensitivity is increased to 2000 iso.
We own two copies of both of those lenses. What would you like to know? At this stage Lee and I actually shoot more with the Tamron 24-70 because unlike any Nikon offering it has VR for stabilized video. For all practical purposes I don't think there is any difference in image quality between it and the Nikkor. I'd go Tamron all the way!
Tamron 24-70 lens response when paired with the nikon d810 with regards to still photography. ..not too bothered about videography actually. ..tried it and thought it was less responsive compared to the nikon 24-70 on the d810. Pls comment
ALEXANDER GOMES I'm not sure. The AFS and Silent wave motors in both lenses perform really fast. I haven't noticed a difference in focusing speed with either of these lenses on the D800 or the D810.
Fstoppers Fans ...I'm honestly on the opinion that the tamron 24-70 performs optimally on the d800e more than the d810. ..something that was done to the new sensor is greatly affecting its usually flawless performance. Maybe my bias but I do have over 30 years semi professional experience.
+iPhoneiPadReview but buying sony body means it gets outdated (and price dropped / value dropped) very quickly because they keep pumping more camera bodies than car manufacturers. Not to mention their native lens collection is not very respectable yet (also very expensive, you can't get cheap native lenses for sony A7 cameras)
Hi, I went for the canon 6d kit in the end, most than anything for the glass. Came from a nikon d7000 and I found at the same (basically) light set up the 6d needs more iso. *dynamic range I miss it a lot, besides one or two things about controls (hold button + dial). On the other hand as a tool I´m getting to know it, so hope canon delivers a better package on the 6d mark ii or I´ll jump again to nikon. I wanted to try canon, give it a shot. quality wise it´s solid, the rubber on the handgrip has more texture and feels a lot more expensive than my ex d7000. Anyway I´ll stick to nikon d750 if you can afford it. sorry for the delay. hope it helps you out.
Great great review. This is the kind of review I was looking for. An unbiased, real use perspective. Best Buy just dropped the price of the D800 to $2299 (today I believe) so that's $1000 less...and now debating whether to get the D800 or spend the extra $1000 for the D810. I sold by D300s and D700 and going with the D7100 + D800/D810 combo....two cents anyone?
Thanks Lee, for making that decision. I'll wait for the D900 which would give me 2 years to save. While i wait, i'll take a trip back to the caribbean where i was born and snap some amazing shots with my 2 year old D800.
I have been wondering why my dslr can't shoot at 120fps or 4k as well because phones can do it too. The phones probably shoot at lower bit rates but still. I wish someone would make custom firmware that enables these features.
also, just to add, why this doesn't have 4K video or 1080p/120fps is because the processor is not nearly as fast as an iphone. Not enough to pump out that framerate!
You seem to be one of the photographers not understanding why there are limitations. Silent (electronic) shutter is not yet available for 36 MP cameras, since reading out that amount of data in about 1/250s is currently not possible. On 12 MP this is possible now, see A7S - and since that camera does not have that legacy flappy mirror either it is absolutely silent. 30 min video limitation is due to european toll. The reason why there is no 1080p120 - well the amount of data is too much for SD or CF cards these days. It would be possible with XQD, but that card is still not standard. (Your iPhone has lower quality and has an internal faster memory.)
Why not use the internal buffer for storage first? I believe the D4s uses the internal buffer when shooting 10 fps at 16mp. Don't you think it is just silly that a tiny cell phone has the technology to provide pretty usable 120 footage while a $3000-$6000 DSLR cannot? I don't think it's a hardware limitation
Fstoppers Fans You could, and this is how Magic Lantern does raw video. The problem is continuous shooting to (relatively speaking) slow memory cards. Not everyone will have 100+MB/s cards, and dealing with consumer confusion caused by some features not working as expected might be considered too much of a hassle? Who knows.
Fstoppers Fans You would run out of internal memory eventually. Or you would need to use huge amounts of GB of flash memory inside the camera. A phone has that because a cell phone nowadays is a general multipurpose computing machine just like a PC. A DSLR or even the modern mirrorless cameras are not (yet?) that, they are still dedicated stills and motion capture machines. Ok, the Sony cameras nowadays even have apps. but it is still the beginnging. And whoever spends USD 3000-6000 in a DSLR for high-end video use instead of a dedicated video camera like the FS700 that is BUILT for video... sorry, that is not understandable for me. Oh and the picture quality of a phone is not even remotely comparable to the mirrorless or legacy DSLR camera systems with large sensors.
Fstoppers Fans Nikon is well known for cosmetic limitations. (well, most big companies are) were´s my one click for 100% image review on my D600? ah right, I have to buy the D800 for that.
Great breakdown, lots of great insight! I noticed on the D800 that Anti Aliasing pops up in scenes with water and or stairs, have you noticed anything like that with the D810?
Yes on some of our tests you could see the moire in people's hair (especially shaggy hair like mine) on the D800....the D810 shows very little of this anti aliasing now.
Patrick Hall (I can't reply to both so I'm replying to Patrick..) You've mixed aliasing with anti-aliasing. In case passers-by want some kind of explanation: Aliasing is what happenes when your sampling points are too far away from each other (line skipping, in this case), causing "jaggedness". Anti-aliasing is anything to mitigate this, eg optical low-pass filter (blurs the image before it is sampled, reducing jaggies at the cost of resolution), or supersampling (in this case binning could be used (combining values from several pixels, instead of skipping lines))
klasbo Resizing a large native image for a monitor or even a specific size JPEG can show moire that is not in the actual RAW file. I see a lot more moire from resizing than I see in the NEF at 100%. If you view at 100% and there is no moire, the moire was created through resizing. Viewing on a standard monitor at normal resolution involves resizing.
Eric Bowles Yes, downsizing is almost always a tradeoff between softness and moiré. Using Lanczos or sinc resampling (maybe with some pre-blur and post-sharpening) usually yeild the best results, but the best algorithm often needs to be chosen on a case-by-case basis. But I find very few image editing programs let you choose, at least easily. As long as the algorithm isn't absolutely terrible, a 50%, 33%, 25% (etc) downsize shouldn't moiré.
Hello Lee and Patrick, you guys are amazing. I love your work as wedding photography. Are you taking pictures on sRGB or AdobeRGB for wedding because of printing later?
I agree with you on the changes in camera models. I have 2 D750s and I really like them and would like a D850, but the price is too high. Cameras are going the way of cells, too many extra frills on them that you don't need just to say they "upgraded" them. I am looking at a possible D810 but then I just read rumors flying of a D760. When will it all end? Never mind mirrorless !
Watch "Nikon D810 v Nikon 800E" in Thailand the 800E has better photo detail look at the ripples in water, there are fewer taken with 810 and greens look as they should with 800E.
great review. there are cameras with " full electronic shutter" (both front & rear curtain); these electronic shutters are completely silent and are used in churches and on film sets. slow motion, 120fps: an iphone has a very small, 12Mp sensor. this means, the amount of data that is recorded is relatively small. when you increase the frame rate, as well as the size of the sensor , the Mp count and the bit depth, an astronomical amount of data now needs to be recorded in fractions of a second. some dslrs & mirrorless cameras will compensate for this by decreasing the quality of the recorded video file, reducing it below 1080, or cropping the image size; eg, full frame to aps-c (super 35), or even to super16 (micro 4/3). also, the buffer and processors just can't handle all that data at once. this vast amount of data can't be written fast enough to standard memory cards, at standard write speeds. cinema cameras write files at higher bit rates, like 50Mb/s (a standard for 4k), and even then can't record 120fps at 1080. cameras with c-fast or xqd can write information faster to cards and record 120fps at super 35, but usually only for 8-10seconds. even the high end movie cameras struggle to record high data slow motion footage. the RED Epic Dragon can record raw in 6k at 24fps and 30fps, but never 6k at 120fps, and RED even has a proprietary compression that allows high data to be recorded to a memory card, albeit, a special, proprietary RED memory card. I have shot 80fps at 4k on the RED, but not 4k at 120fps; for 120fps, I usually go down to 2k or 1080, depending on compression and other variables. some cameras will allow video to be recorded to an external video footage recorder or hard drive via hdmi out, but often it's uncompressed footage with giant file sizes, which can be impossible to edit, even with fast computers. there is no one camera for every situation. most people buy a general purpose camera and rent a slow motion camera, like the fs700, but even then, it maxes out at 240fps at 1080 for only 8 seconds. unless of course, you use a phantom camera which can record ridiculous frames rates (still for only short periods of time), but that camera is difficult to operate, even importing footage is difficult. recently released dslr cameras have xqd or c-fast card slots, so we may see 120fps at 1080 & 36Mp footage in future dslrs, but not this year. canon: for canon cameras, iso 160 is sharper than iso 100. the 5Diii can only recorded video to the compact flash card slot, not the sd slot; the sd card slot is not class 10, u3, UHS-I and video will just stop recording if you use the sd slot. the nikon d810 can record video to both card slots. record all day: the GH4 can record for more than 8 hours at a time, but again, smaller sensor (micro 4/3, half the size of full frame), lower megapixels, etc. what dynamic range did you set for the sony fs700? makes a difference. did you record in rec709? s-log2? prores444? note: the fs700 has a smaller sensor (aps-c/super35) which affects comparison results.
If a quite shutter is something you need at weddings maybe a mirrorless camera would work better? I have 2 D800 bodies. I don't think the difference is worth the money to get it. Thanks.
Great review... if I may just add a tinsy little correction, the lowest native ISO is actually 2/3 of a stop less than the D800... a full stop would have been 50... Thanks for this video.
I upgraded from a d5100 to a used d800 last week. I'm amazed by the performance, but almost more importantly, it is much easier to change important settings and the autofocus actually works. I got a used one for 800 USD, and with that price, you cant go wrong.
Dude go for it if you haven't already I know that camera is awesome if I could get it I would but I settled for the d610 hope you did get that d810 if you did please let me know how it is
I know it's the hip thing now to have multiple camera bodies from different manufacturers (and film now too) but honestly I wouldn't want to shoot a wedding with all those different options. I find it way easier to know all my cameras mount the same lenses, same batteries, same flash systems, etc etc. The reality is if a minister or church officiant says they don't want any still photography during the service then at this point I simply obey their request.
I have a question for Lee & Patrick. For Weddings, what is better? D810 or D750? I am thinking D810 might be problematic because of file size? (OK there is RAW "S" but does that even work?) Seems to me the D750 might be a more sensible option. Would you both choose the D810 anyways? Thanks. :)
thaqt was vry helpful. i'm currently selling all my canon gear to have better DR and more megapixels.. i currently have the 6D and i think i am gonna pickup a d800! and buy better lenses for it :)
+Ramtin Kazemi i'm in exactly the same boat! I hate how little i can manipulate my image before the horrible chroma noise sets in on my 5D3, would like to go over to a D810
already bought the d810. glad i did! LOVE IT. color debth BLOWS canon away for landscape. u get SO MUCH MORE COLOR on raw files compared to any canon camera. plus the dynamic range is AMAAAAAzing!
+Ramtin Kazemi Great! thank you very much for coming back to my comment, i think you might have pushed me over the edge, currently pricing up swapping all my kit over, hope resale on canon gear isnt too bad, i dread using ebay to sell gear.
+Ramtin Kazemi I am in the same boat as you. I have a 6d and 60d with some nice L lenses. Selling the 60d and a few lenses (all the canon gear eventually) and still trying to decide between the d800 and d810...
Oh, one more teensie weensie comment. at 11:00 you mentioned the new D810 can do 30 min... as opposed to the previous model. Your D800's can also shoot 30 min... you just have to adjust the bit rate to normal. Same goes with the D810. When it is on high, it is 20:00. When it is on Normal, it is 29:59.
I would keep the Nikon D800 cameras you have and invest in a 4k camera like the Panasonic GH4 or the Sony A7S or just wait for something else to come out.
Exactly why I will be looking for a clean used D800 next spring. Hey dude how much money have you made with those D800's.... don't be cheep. You have the money to upgrade. I wish I did.
I am now between both of these. I am about to get my first professional DSLR, after my D3200. I am planning on using it for new born and portrait photography. Do you think the D800 will work perfectly fine? I know you said it all in the video but really need little more. I'm kind of scared buying used camera. I don't want to end up with something bad cuz you do get what you pay for.
I have been reading and going through the manual to figure out a question I had. I wanted to buy a D4 to be able to shoot at 16mp for events. Well I read that the D810 Small RAW was 16mp so I bought it to shoot the wedding formals at 36mp and the candids at 16mp with small RAW. You said that the D810 small raw files shoot at 9mp. The manual says its about half the size of the native size. I'm not sure if your information about small raw being 9mp is accurate. I just received my D810 and will have to confirm this.
Yes, basically any camera today could be great for weddings. The D100 that I shot a ton of weddings with is absolutely terrible compared to every camera today.
Nice video, but I haven't heard any word on the upgrade toward expeed 4 processor. This very upgrade may look minor but it's NOT. with the d810 we get et much better white balance and colors are way more accurate, especially considering the skin tones ! I have taken 300 000 pictures with my d800. The first time I shot with a d810, I immediately spotted the difference considering white balance and skin tone. Two different world I'd say, it really blew my mind. I hope I don't sound over enthusiastic but the difference isn't just subtle, it gave me a great satisfaction. I did consider first buying a used D800, exactly for the reasons you gave, but then I know that my work flow will be much more efficient with a d810, and the end result will just be more professional. I don't understand how you could miss that. Cheers
we copied the flat profile and put it on the D800. Since it is a profile you can technically replicate it on the older cameras but before the D810 had it we didn't even think of making one.
Fstoppers Fans Flat picture profile is saved in a new format not compatible with D800 according to Nikon, When I save the Flat profile in Picture Control Utilty 2 the camera does not see the file. Can you please tell us how you managed to do it? even better: share the file that the D800 accepts. Thanks
So basically the conclusion of this video is, "if you shoot video, go to the D810, if you don't care about video, go with the D800". I say, get an actual video camera instead of a DSLR.
***** 1. I understand raw and jpeg are different file types, but what are the differences 2. What are "stops" 3.sync speed 4.DSLR, how it is different from a regular digital camera 5.power pack 6.bit rates...since I would like to take photos of cars at the track I assume this is important because he mentions it for sports 7.small raw vs regular raw 8.Last thing would be a recommendation for a camera that does continuous shooting...I think that would be a must for high speed objects
FELiPES101 1. RAW is what the name implies. its an uncompressed image with very little processing. it allows you to have more room to control your image in post. to see the difference take 2 images with a dslr, one raw and one jpeg. then push contrast all the way up and notice how the raw file falls apart less. 2. a stop is a measurement of light. f stops and t stops are variations on the measurement. for photography f stops are the norm and for videography t stops are the norm. smaller stop number (for the lens) means more light but also shallower depth of field. in terms of ISO its just measuring relative light. ISO relates to film and determines the film or sensor sensitivity to light. a higher number means more sensitivity and thus a brighter image. 3. sync speed is a flash term. most flashes sync up to 1/250 but cameras have limitations (unless youre talking hypersync but thats an entirely different beast). for instance i have 3 canon flashes that will shoot up to 1/250 but my 6D will only sync up to 1/180. 4. i assume you mean a camera phone or a point and shoot. a dslr gives you control over all of your settings which lets you control the image. put your DSLR in auto or A mode and you essentially have a very expensive point and shoot. 5. power packs are batteries. they usually refer to studio strobes since shoemount flashes have internal batteries. 6. bit rates. higher is better. a bit is a measurement of information. more bits is more information. the higher the bitrate the better the quality of your image. for instance if you have 2 DSLRs and one is 36MP with a 10mbps bit rate and one is 22MP 30mbps, the 22MP camera will have 3x the amount of information and in return, detail. for shooting cars, which i do on occasion at track days and shows, bit rate is important, but image stabilization is more important if youre shooting moving cars. example of something i shot with IS: static.squarespace.com/static/5346bff8e4b05301dbf34215/534777a8e4b029dc12be2883/5388bcd8e4b09e20aac82d6d/1401470174500/IMG_1205-Edit.jpg?format=750w 7. these just refer to file size. MP are relevant if youre printing or have a size you need to fit. if youre giving someone a disk to print 4x6 you dont really need to worry about your MP so you can shoot small RAW and save some space on your hard drives. i personally shoot more video than photo so ive never used small RAW or anything similar before. I have lots of storage space so its just not a concern. 8. depending on your budget and whether or not you want full frame or crop sensor, you have a few options. the 7D (mk2 should be out soon so you might want to wait) is a good option for a crop sensor especially for cars. the 5D mk3 is good too if you have the budget and its a full frame camera. and if money is no object than a 1Dx is ideal. im a canon shooter so those are all canon cameras but if you prefer nikon the D700, D800/810 and D4s are the nikon equivalents of those canon cameras. for shooting cars you want something that has a decent continuous shooting mode, a good MP count so you can shoot wider and crop later and a nice fast SHARP lens. for car show shooting get a circular polarizer filter to help control reflections in the paint.
Why even spend that much money when you can get the Sony A7R that is basically a D800E sensor brand new for around 2000 US bucks or Less on ebay (around 1800$ I saw on ebay) . Pair that with some zeiss glass and you have a stellar combo that's hard to beat for the price and the size of the camera. The other thing is that if you already have existing glass for Canon or Nikon you can use an adapter and get get great results. I'm going for the A7R!
It just seems a round about way to go Sony and then add adapters to still use your nikon glass. The advantages of VR (IS, OS, VC) in lenses for video is huge and autofocus is nice to have for video/photo hybrid shooting. I've never understood the folks that completely change camera systems just because one little feature is better. Once you invest in a ton of glass and accessories it's a lot easier to just stick with the main system.
If life was like that, you never move out of your house because all of your shit is already in that house. Its moving with the technology and having new possibilities. If Image Stabilization is that important you can use a tripod or a steadicam.
Alex Brown For anyone who has shot in the field or at fast paced events like weddings, having a tripod or spending 30 mins stabilizing a steadicam for smooth footage isn't ideal. VR is so easy to do and make the footage look SOOOO much better that I wouldn't trade to any system if it required giving up VR. I haven't tested Sony's in camera VR (they still do that right?) but if it is as useful as lens VR then that would be a nice feature. I remember a Nikon or Canon rep telling me how much more stable VR was in the lens vs near the sensor and it made sense at the time. Imagine trying to balance a 10' rod either at the balancing node in the middle verse 1' away from the end.....that was the comparison he gave to explain why a VR element in the middle of the lens path was more efficient than the Sony stabilization but maybe he was wrong?
That's true. Although they will be releasing glass with in lens stabilization for the FE mount. They will be zooms. It will take a while to get a full line up of lenses (I.E 2.8 70-200) but they already have a 24-70 f4 with in lens optical stabilization. Zeiss thinks that stabilization has an overall softening of the image, so they leave it out for the best quality. I do under stand that image stabilization is huge for video but there are ways around it, But it may take a year or two or another generation of the Sony a7 and A7R to catch up with Canon or Nikon for the most part.
Why would they need to do that? Can't your cell phone record longer than 30 mins if it has enough memory? They don't call cell phones video recorders.
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My Bad it´s only here in europe..... -"I thought this ws an EU only problem. Basically anything over 29 minutes and the camera is treated as a video camera and attracts a higher import duty. It isn't a technical limitation but a tax problem."
The lowest ISO on a camera doesn't mean it's the most efficient. He should've used the native ISO instead. You loose dynamic range when you use something like iso 50 on a Canon.
We were comparing the 5D Mark III which has a native low ISO of 100. It can go down to 50 but that is software. The D810 has a native ISO of 64 but can go down to 32 with software. I'm not sure what all the Canon native ISOs are but I think it's fair to say an ISO of 64 pushed down to 32 is rare by most current cameras.
Uniden I don't think that really matters when the aesthetic of shooting wide open is more of the goal. If you want to shoot wide open at 1.4 or 2.8 outside with strobe, the difference in noise at 100 vs 50 vs 32 isn't going to be noticeably at all. However if you have to stop down to say f4 or f5.6 to get the correct exposure, that difference in Depth of Field IS going to be very noticeable.
Fstoppers Fans Do you have any examples of shooting at ISO 64/32 at 1.4, 2.8, f4 or f5.6? this is a interseting facter to me. Love to see how it looks with out using a ND filter.
yeah Nikon really f*cked every D800 owner literally up the arse with this camera.. Then bringing out the D750 just as everyone wanted to sell their D800 gear, thus dropping 2nd hand value to such a point that no one will want to sell their D800's and no one will want to buy a second hand D800 with the release of the D750..
Yeah it's pretty strange. We are in that exact same boat. Trying to unload a bunch of D800s and D600s for the D750. Oh well, it happens from time to time
LaughingLion4Ever Yes, we usually upgrade all of our cameras at once. This might be the first time we upgrade two D800s to two D810s and keep the remaining couple of D800s as still cameras only; but over time the D800s will lose more and more value.
$300 more than the D800 for a new D810 back in 2014? It's 2019 now, and you can buy a used D810 in great condition for $300 more than a D600, or $400 more than a D700 (with only a third of the resolution at 12MP!). At the risk of sounding like a meme, feel old yet?
You think you take a hit on selling a used D800? Thats nothing, I paid £3000 (thats Pounds not dollars) for my 5Dmk3. I could probably sell it for a little over 50% of that now.
Yeah I understand. I think Canon has taken a little too long to release the MK IV and now other cameras probably beat the MK III within the Canon lineup. Nikon usually releases a replacement camera every 2 years so if you sell at the end of each cycle you can usually recover about 70-80% of your investment before it gets down to the 50% loss stage.
+Fstoppers it is very unfortunate that this statement is still true one year later.. canon has hinted 5Div will be released at photokina sept 2016, but too late for many users. canon exodus to nikon, but mostly to sony.
Its 2020 and the D 810 still looks like a mighty good camera body.
I use a D200 and despite the age I still enjoy using it so much
Thanks for your advice, I think I will buy a D800 with a 50mm 1.8 lens and continue filming with my awesome Sony RX100 M4
d300 pound for pound one of the best cameras Nikon ever made. I shoot better shots than a lot of my peers, who are using d800+. Only the ISO lets it down at night.
Wow, thanks for such a great in-depth analysis, which is still relevant today in 2021. I am looking at a used D800 or a used D810. The price gap is still there in the second hand market. I could get a D800 plus get a lens (albeit it would have to be a second hand lens), for the price of just a used D810 body.
Such a nice in-depth analysis I already have the D810 and I love it
keep your d800 and pick up a gh4 for video.
Agreed. I am sticking with my D800 and have never even once contemplated upgrading. It is a massively good camera and still does everything I need. No need whatsoever to move as yet. Cheers.
Hello, I am struggling between d810 nikon or canon eos5dr !
Can u help me out for fashion/portrait photography ?
Thanks.
I'm still using the D800 that I purchased from B&H in 2012, I didn't upgrade to the D810 because I didn't see enough of a difference in reviews to justify the cost of a new camera. I use it with a Tamron 35 f/1.8 VC or Tamron 45 f/1.8 VC. I watched your review of the Tamron lenses before making my purchase from B&H. Appreciate all your informative and honest reviews!
The thing you must consider about the ISO 64 is that it is native on the D810. Canon 5D3 has ISO 50 but its an extended mode. This means that on the canon, you'll get less light to the sensor but not less noise. The Nikon will actually have less noise with 64 ISO being native to the sensor and not extended.
Thanks for mentioning this....my dad is actually named William Hall; you are a good man :)
That's awesome! Thanks.
IMO if you are an enthusiast you will be amazed by the D610,if you are a pro you already know what you want
Just stumbled on this video after buying one but why do a review when you keep saying "I haven't had a chance to play with that yet". Maybe play with it then review it?
same thoughts here i was just about to put this comment before I checked what others had said
This is exactly what I was looking for and you answered all my questions regarding upgrading from a D800 to D810! Thank you!
I own both!
Wonders if D810 is worth a step up from D800. Sees associate link for D810 in description. Saves 18:50 of my life.
I really want the d810 because I can’t afford a d850 .....I know this camera was made in 2015 I think I want to shoot landscapes and think megapixel rating will assist
Such a nice in-depth analysis I already have the D810 and I love it 😍
Nice video, thanks.
[I got the D800 in May of 2012 and the D810 yesterday as a birthday present.]
Thanks so much for an interesting and informative video, especially at the end. I am a still photographer contemplating a full-frame DSLR, and briefly owned a D600. Nice images but the build quality left me a bit cold. The question I was really looking to answer was, "slightly used D800 at $1600, or D810 at twice the price". You very effectively answered the question for me. Thanks again.
An amazingly informative video - Thank you so much !
As for I am not a pro, I am buying pre generation cameras, beeing offerd at a fraction of the launch price.
Currently now today in 2023 I own the D800E with the 16-35, 50, 85 and a budget Sigma zoom.
Now is the time to look for a used Nikon D810. Your video explained precisely the issues I am interested in.
Here in Germany ebay offers bodies D810 around 600€, which Is making me very excitingly nervous ...
How long were you taking pics before you became a professional photographer and what camera did you use?
Nikon D810 improved the image quality, video quality, ISO performance, dynamic range, features, options, battery life over the D800. So, its a totally new and improved camera. Period.
Totally new is a bit of a stretch
very good. ive had this unit for quite a while and I'm still learning. I'm not a video guy, I might shoot one once in a while but I need to know my equipment inside and out.
by the way the metabones speedbooster does soften the image a little bit so it could be affecting your shot ... but still the d810 looks great
Thanks for the review. I also thought this hands-on review of the 810 was helpful. Nikon D810 Review (vs 5D Mark III): Landscapes, portraits, sports, studio & night photography
Nikon d810 Excellent
Thanks so much! Wondering if I should jump from d700 to D810.
Would've been nice to see the fs700 shooting slog2 for the comparison. The dynamic range at that picture profile is amazing, especially in 4k RAW! Not to mention the base sensitivity is increased to 2000 iso.
Fantastic review. ....wish you'd compare d800 v d810 with tamron 24-70 and nikon 24-70. Nevertheless thoroughly informative
We own two copies of both of those lenses. What would you like to know? At this stage Lee and I actually shoot more with the Tamron 24-70 because unlike any Nikon offering it has VR for stabilized video. For all practical purposes I don't think there is any difference in image quality between it and the Nikkor. I'd go Tamron all the way!
Tamron 24-70 lens response when paired with the nikon d810 with regards to still photography. ..not too bothered about videography actually. ..tried it and thought it was less responsive compared to the nikon 24-70 on the d810. Pls comment
ALEXANDER GOMES I'm not sure. The AFS and Silent wave motors in both lenses perform really fast. I haven't noticed a difference in focusing speed with either of these lenses on the D800 or the D810.
Thanks. ....I appreciate the response.
Fstoppers Fans ...I'm honestly on the opinion that the tamron 24-70 performs optimally on the d800e more than the d810. ..something that was done to the new sensor is greatly affecting its usually flawless performance. Maybe my bias but I do have over 30 years semi professional experience.
The A7S has a completely silent electronic shutter
The D810 and 5D Mark III have a pentaprism. duh!
+iPhoneiPadReview but buying sony body means it gets outdated (and price dropped / value dropped) very quickly because they keep pumping more camera bodies than car manufacturers. Not to mention their native lens collection is not very respectable yet (also very expensive, you can't get cheap native lenses for sony A7 cameras)
The Fuji X-T1 has a silent shutter, was used for all stills on the new Mad Max.
Thank you for the review. Did you have an opportunity to test the D810's Auto ISO feature for video? It looks impressive in the Nikon demo videos.
Reviving a massively old comment here. On Canon you have Magic Lantern. Doesn't seem to exist on Nikon unfortunately
I'm between 5diii and d810, can't decide :/
mike salomon
hi which one you take?
because I'm like you
Hi, I went for the canon 6d kit in the end, most than anything for the glass. Came from a nikon d7000 and I found at the same (basically) light set up the 6d needs more iso. *dynamic range I miss it a lot, besides one or two things about controls (hold button + dial).
On the other hand as a tool I´m getting to know it, so hope canon delivers a better package on the 6d mark ii or I´ll jump again to nikon. I wanted to try canon, give it a shot.
quality wise it´s solid, the rubber on the handgrip has more texture and feels a lot more expensive than my ex d7000.
Anyway I´ll stick to nikon d750 if you can afford it. sorry for the delay. hope it helps you out.
Great great review. This is the kind of review I was looking for. An unbiased, real use perspective.
Best Buy just dropped the price of the D800 to $2299 (today I believe) so that's $1000 less...and now debating whether to get the D800 or spend the extra $1000 for the D810. I sold by D300s and D700 and going with the D7100 + D800/D810 combo....two cents anyone?
Which one did you end up buying?
Thanks Lee, for making that decision. I'll wait for the D900 which would give me 2 years to save. While i wait, i'll take a trip back to the caribbean where i was born and snap some amazing shots with my 2 year old D800.
I have been wondering why my dslr can't shoot at 120fps or 4k as well because phones can do it too. The phones probably shoot at lower bit rates but still. I wish someone would make custom firmware that enables these features.
also, just to add, why this doesn't have 4K video or 1080p/120fps is because the processor is not nearly as fast as an iphone. Not enough to pump out that framerate!
How does the Nikon D810 compare to the Canon 5D MK3? Canon is supposed to upgrade the D810 to D820 this year 2017, so I have heard
You seem to be one of the photographers not understanding why there are limitations.
Silent (electronic) shutter is not yet available for 36 MP cameras, since reading out that amount of data in about 1/250s is currently not possible. On 12 MP this is possible now, see A7S - and since that camera does not have that legacy flappy mirror either it is absolutely silent.
30 min video limitation is due to european toll.
The reason why there is no 1080p120 - well the amount of data is too much for SD or CF cards these days. It would be possible with XQD, but that card is still not standard. (Your iPhone has lower quality and has an internal faster memory.)
Why not use the internal buffer for storage first? I believe the D4s uses the internal buffer when shooting 10 fps at 16mp. Don't you think it is just silly that a tiny cell phone has the technology to provide pretty usable 120 footage while a $3000-$6000 DSLR cannot? I don't think it's a hardware limitation
Fstoppers Fans
You could, and this is how Magic Lantern does raw video. The problem is continuous shooting to (relatively speaking) slow memory cards.
Not everyone will have 100+MB/s cards, and dealing with consumer confusion caused by some features not working as expected might be considered too much of a hassle? Who knows.
Fstoppers Fans You would run out of internal memory eventually. Or you would need to use huge amounts of GB of flash memory inside the camera. A phone has that because a cell phone nowadays is a general multipurpose computing machine just like a PC. A DSLR or even the modern mirrorless cameras are not (yet?) that, they are still dedicated stills and motion capture machines. Ok, the Sony cameras nowadays even have apps. but it is still the beginnging.
And whoever spends USD 3000-6000 in a DSLR for high-end video use instead of a dedicated video camera like the FS700 that is BUILT for video... sorry, that is not understandable for me.
Oh and the picture quality of a phone is not even remotely comparable to the mirrorless or legacy DSLR camera systems with large sensors.
Fstoppers Fans Nikon is well known for cosmetic limitations. (well, most big companies are)
were´s my one click for 100% image review on my D600? ah right, I have to buy the D800 for that.
Tor Ivan Boine Yeah, many limitations in the lower end model are in fact cosmetic. But very rare in the higher end models.
Great breakdown, lots of great insight! I noticed on the D800 that Anti Aliasing pops up in scenes with water and or stairs, have you noticed anything like that with the D810?
Yes on some of our tests you could see the moire in people's hair (especially shaggy hair like mine) on the D800....the D810 shows very little of this anti aliasing now.
Patrick Hall (I can't reply to both so I'm replying to Patrick..)
You've mixed aliasing with anti-aliasing.
In case passers-by want some kind of explanation:
Aliasing is what happenes when your sampling points are too far away from each other (line skipping, in this case), causing "jaggedness".
Anti-aliasing is anything to mitigate this, eg optical low-pass filter (blurs the image before it is sampled, reducing jaggies at the cost of resolution), or supersampling (in this case binning could be used (combining values from several pixels, instead of skipping lines))
klasbo Resizing a large native image for a monitor or even a specific size JPEG can show moire that is not in the actual RAW file. I see a lot more moire from resizing than I see in the NEF at 100%. If you view at 100% and there is no moire, the moire was created through resizing. Viewing on a standard monitor at normal resolution involves resizing.
Eric Bowles Yes, downsizing is almost always a tradeoff between softness and moiré.
Using Lanczos or sinc resampling (maybe with some pre-blur and post-sharpening) usually yeild the best results, but the best algorithm often needs to be chosen on a case-by-case basis. But I find very few image editing programs let you choose, at least easily.
As long as the algorithm isn't absolutely terrible, a 50%, 33%, 25% (etc) downsize shouldn't moiré.
Hello Lee and Patrick, you guys are amazing. I love your work as wedding photography. Are you taking pictures on sRGB or AdobeRGB for wedding because of printing later?
sRGB. I never shoot in Adobe because most of my images are still seen 1000x more often on the web and mobile devices.
Thanks for the information Patrick.
I agree with you on the changes in camera models. I have 2 D750s and I really like them and would like a D850, but the price is too high. Cameras are going the way of cells, too many extra frills on them that you don't need just to say they "upgraded" them. I am looking at a possible D810 but then I just read rumors flying of a D760. When will it all end? Never mind mirrorless
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Watch "Nikon D810 v Nikon 800E" in Thailand the 800E has better photo detail look at the ripples in water, there are fewer taken with 810 and greens look as they should with 800E.
great review.
there are cameras with " full electronic shutter" (both front & rear curtain); these electronic shutters are completely silent and are used in churches and on film sets.
slow motion, 120fps: an iphone has a very small, 12Mp sensor. this means, the amount of data that is recorded is relatively small. when you increase the frame rate, as well as the size of the sensor , the Mp count and the bit depth, an astronomical amount of data now needs to be recorded in fractions of a second. some dslrs & mirrorless cameras will compensate for this by decreasing the quality of the recorded video file, reducing it below 1080, or cropping the image size; eg, full frame to aps-c (super 35), or even to super16 (micro 4/3). also, the buffer and processors just can't handle all that data at once. this vast amount of data can't be written fast enough to standard memory cards, at standard write speeds. cinema cameras write files at higher bit rates, like 50Mb/s (a standard for 4k), and even then can't record 120fps at 1080. cameras with c-fast or xqd can write information faster to cards and record 120fps at super 35, but usually only for 8-10seconds. even the high end movie cameras struggle to record high data slow motion footage. the RED Epic Dragon can record raw in 6k at 24fps and 30fps, but never 6k at 120fps, and RED even has a proprietary compression that allows high data to be recorded to a memory card, albeit, a special, proprietary RED memory card. I have shot 80fps at 4k on the RED, but not 4k at 120fps; for 120fps, I usually go down to 2k or 1080, depending on compression and other variables. some cameras will allow video to be recorded to an external video footage recorder or hard drive via hdmi out, but often it's uncompressed footage with giant file sizes, which can be impossible to edit, even with fast computers. there is no one camera for every situation. most people buy a general purpose camera and rent a slow motion camera, like the fs700, but even then, it maxes out at 240fps at 1080 for only 8 seconds. unless of course, you use a phantom camera which can record ridiculous frames rates (still for only short periods of time), but that camera is difficult to operate, even importing footage is difficult. recently released dslr cameras have xqd or c-fast card slots, so we may see 120fps at 1080 & 36Mp footage in future dslrs, but not this year.
canon: for canon cameras, iso 160 is sharper than iso 100. the 5Diii can only recorded video to the compact flash card slot, not the sd slot; the sd card slot is not class 10, u3, UHS-I and video will just stop recording if you use the sd slot. the nikon d810 can record video to both card slots.
record all day: the GH4 can record for more than 8 hours at a time, but again, smaller sensor (micro 4/3, half the size of full frame), lower megapixels, etc.
what dynamic range did you set for the sony fs700? makes a difference. did you record in rec709? s-log2? prores444? note: the fs700 has a smaller sensor (aps-c/super35) which affects comparison results.
If a quite shutter is something you need at weddings maybe a mirrorless camera would work better? I have 2 D800 bodies. I don't think the difference is worth the money to get it. Thanks.
Have you had any problems with the focus on the Nikon D800?
Great review... if I may just add a tinsy little correction, the lowest native ISO is actually 2/3 of a stop less than the D800... a full stop would have been 50... Thanks for this video.
Does the 800e still make sense for 2016 ? Portraits and landscape no video ?
I upgraded from a d5100 to a used d800 last week. I'm amazed by the performance, but almost more importantly, it is much easier to change important settings and the autofocus actually works. I got a used one for 800 USD, and with that price, you cant go wrong.
How's the autofocus on the d800?
Dude go for it if you haven't already I know that camera is awesome if I could get it I would but I settled for the d610 hope you did get that d810 if you did please let me know how it is
Get a Fuji X100s - for the silent shutter - during the quiet moments in the wedding.
I know it's the hip thing now to have multiple camera bodies from different manufacturers (and film now too) but honestly I wouldn't want to shoot a wedding with all those different options. I find it way easier to know all my cameras mount the same lenses, same batteries, same flash systems, etc etc. The reality is if a minister or church officiant says they don't want any still photography during the service then at this point I simply obey their request.
I have a question for Lee & Patrick. For Weddings, what is better? D810 or D750? I am thinking D810 might be problematic because of file size? (OK there is RAW "S" but does that even work?) Seems to me the D750 might be a more sensible option. Would you both choose the D810 anyways? Thanks. :)
thaqt was vry helpful. i'm currently selling all my canon gear to have better DR and more megapixels.. i currently have the 6D and i think i am gonna pickup a d800! and buy better lenses for it :)
+Ramtin Kazemi i'm in exactly the same boat! I hate how little i can manipulate my image before the horrible chroma noise sets in on my 5D3, would like to go over to a D810
already bought the d810. glad i did! LOVE IT. color debth BLOWS canon away for landscape. u get SO MUCH MORE COLOR on raw files compared to any canon camera. plus the dynamic range is AMAAAAAzing!
+Ramtin Kazemi Great! thank you very much for coming back to my comment, i think you might have pushed me over the edge, currently pricing up swapping all my kit over, hope resale on canon gear isnt too bad, i dread using ebay to sell gear.
resell on canon gear is always good as long as it's in good condition. yeah man 36 megapixels not gonna hurt you trust me! lol :P
+Ramtin Kazemi I am in the same boat as you. I have a 6d and 60d with some nice L lenses. Selling the 60d and a few lenses (all the canon gear eventually) and still trying to decide between the d800 and d810...
Oh, one more teensie weensie comment. at 11:00 you mentioned the new D810 can do 30 min... as opposed to the previous model. Your D800's can also shoot 30 min... you just have to adjust the bit rate to normal. Same goes with the D810. When it is on high, it is 20:00. When it is on Normal, it is 29:59.
Excellent review
I would keep the Nikon D800 cameras you have and invest in a 4k camera like the Panasonic GH4 or the Sony A7S or just wait for something else to come out.
The 800 use adobe don't you for smaller file size?
Exactly why I will be looking for a clean used D800 next spring. Hey dude how much money have you made with those D800's.... don't be cheep. You have the money to upgrade. I wish I did.
watching in 2021, all the way from Namibia.
which is better d750 d500 or d810.I need kind of all rounder one which can be used in almost every situations
Dannie buy the D850. It's the alto under you be been looking for.
I am now between both of these. I am about to get my first professional DSLR, after my D3200. I am planning on using it for new born and portrait photography. Do you think the D800 will work perfectly fine? I know you said it all in the video but really need little more. I'm kind of scared buying used camera. I don't want to end up with something bad cuz you do get what you pay for.
Get the new Nikon D610 instead D800. I tried both of them and you can save money for a good glass like the 85 1.8 af-g, perfect for portraits! ;)
+Brando Visibelli 85 f1.8 has AF consistency problems though.. can't recommend that lens because of it
I have been reading and going through the manual to figure out a question I had. I wanted to buy a D4 to be able to shoot at 16mp for events. Well I read that the D810 Small RAW was 16mp so I bought it to shoot the wedding formals at 36mp and the candids at 16mp with small RAW. You said that the D810 small raw files shoot at 9mp. The manual says its about half the size of the native size. I'm not sure if your information about small raw being 9mp is accurate. I just received my D810 and will have to confirm this.
well, please confirm ;)
Any comment/issue with 3rd party grip?
One of the best reviews out there... You've just got yourself a new subscriber... Really interested to see more.. Thumbs up
very nice! keep up the good work!!!
Very good rev. Thanks
Hello, and about canon 6D? Is it good for weddings?
Yes, basically any camera today could be great for weddings. The D100 that I shot a ton of weddings with is absolutely terrible compared to every camera today.
I will see you when the Nikon D910 is released
Great video. Perfect idea and content.
great job...Its 5 point focus..the one in the center counts :-)
Very good review. Thanks for sharing the useful thoughts:)
what lens is that?
great review!
thanks
Nice video, but I haven't heard any word on the upgrade toward expeed 4 processor. This very upgrade may look minor but it's NOT. with the d810 we get et much better white balance and colors are way more accurate, especially considering the skin tones ! I have taken 300 000 pictures with my d800. The first time I shot with a d810, I immediately spotted the difference considering white balance and skin tone. Two different world I'd say, it really blew my mind. I hope I don't sound over enthusiastic but the difference isn't just subtle, it gave me a great satisfaction. I did consider first buying a used D800, exactly for the reasons you gave, but then I know that my work flow will be much more efficient with a d810, and the end result will just be more professional. I don't understand how you could miss that. Cheers
You said you were filming this video with two D800, so how could do use this new flat mode which is available only in the D810!
we copied the flat profile and put it on the D800. Since it is a profile you can technically replicate it on the older cameras but before the D810 had it we didn't even think of making one.
Fstoppers Fans
how did you copy it? Been trying to do the same thing.
Fstoppers Fans Flat picture profile is saved in a new format not compatible with D800 according to Nikon,
When I save the Flat profile in Picture Control Utilty 2 the camera does not see the file. Can you please tell us how you managed to do it? even better: share the file that the D800 accepts. Thanks
its easy to just create a flat picture profile in the camera.
yes, so easy that nobody is willing to reply.. oh the irony
Great review!
silent shutter .. try PENTAX-K3... its better than spending $3300.
Like your word about upgrade
pay d800 and graet lins good man like like
I love you brain! Thank you for your insight!
So basically the conclusion of this video is, "if you shoot video, go to the D810, if you don't care about video, go with the D800".
I say, get an actual video camera instead of a DSLR.
i'm really surprised at the 5D MK3's ISO 12,800 video. It seems better than Sony's FS700.
This was awesome, thanks!
Can anyone leave a link for a rookie photographer on the common terms and acronyms used in the video?
I like automotive photography BTW
list the terms and acronyms you dont know in this video and ill explain them
***** He uses the the term "ISO" a lot to start the list. I have to re-watch and make a list haha.
***** 1. I understand raw and jpeg are different file types, but what are the differences
2. What are "stops"
3.sync speed
4.DSLR, how it is different from a regular digital camera
5.power pack
6.bit rates...since I would like to take photos of cars at the track I assume this is important because he mentions it for sports
7.small raw vs regular raw
8.Last thing would be a recommendation for a camera that does continuous shooting...I think that would be a must for high speed objects
FELiPES101 1. RAW is what the name implies. its an uncompressed image with very little processing. it allows you to have more room to control your image in post. to see the difference take 2 images with a dslr, one raw and one jpeg. then push contrast all the way up and notice how the raw file falls apart less.
2. a stop is a measurement of light. f stops and t stops are variations on the measurement. for photography f stops are the norm and for videography t stops are the norm. smaller stop number (for the lens) means more light but also shallower depth of field. in terms of ISO its just measuring relative light. ISO relates to film and determines the film or sensor sensitivity to light. a higher number means more sensitivity and thus a brighter image.
3. sync speed is a flash term. most flashes sync up to 1/250 but cameras have limitations (unless youre talking hypersync but thats an entirely different beast). for instance i have 3 canon flashes that will shoot up to 1/250 but my 6D will only sync up to 1/180.
4. i assume you mean a camera phone or a point and shoot. a dslr gives you control over all of your settings which lets you control the image. put your DSLR in auto or A mode and you essentially have a very expensive point and shoot.
5. power packs are batteries. they usually refer to studio strobes since shoemount flashes have internal batteries.
6. bit rates. higher is better. a bit is a measurement of information. more bits is more information. the higher the bitrate the better the quality of your image. for instance if you have 2 DSLRs and one is 36MP with a 10mbps bit rate and one is 22MP 30mbps, the 22MP camera will have 3x the amount of information and in return, detail. for shooting cars, which i do on occasion at track days and shows, bit rate is important, but image stabilization is more important if youre shooting moving cars. example of something i shot with IS: static.squarespace.com/static/5346bff8e4b05301dbf34215/534777a8e4b029dc12be2883/5388bcd8e4b09e20aac82d6d/1401470174500/IMG_1205-Edit.jpg?format=750w
7. these just refer to file size. MP are relevant if youre printing or have a size you need to fit. if youre giving someone a disk to print 4x6 you dont really need to worry about your MP so you can shoot small RAW and save some space on your hard drives. i personally shoot more video than photo so ive never used small RAW or anything similar before. I have lots of storage space so its just not a concern.
8. depending on your budget and whether or not you want full frame or crop sensor, you have a few options. the 7D (mk2 should be out soon so you might want to wait) is a good option for a crop sensor especially for cars. the 5D mk3 is good too if you have the budget and its a full frame camera. and if money is no object than a 1Dx is ideal. im a canon shooter so those are all canon cameras but if you prefer nikon the D700, D800/810 and D4s are the nikon equivalents of those canon cameras.
for shooting cars you want something that has a decent continuous shooting mode, a good MP count so you can shoot wider and crop later and a nice fast SHARP lens. for car show shooting get a circular polarizer filter to help control reflections in the paint.
Why even spend that much money when you can get the Sony A7R that is basically a D800E sensor brand new for around 2000 US bucks or Less on ebay (around 1800$ I saw on ebay) . Pair that with some zeiss glass and you have a stellar combo that's hard to beat for the price and the size of the camera. The other thing is that if you already have existing glass for Canon or Nikon you can use an adapter and get get great results. I'm going for the A7R!
It just seems a round about way to go Sony and then add adapters to still use your nikon glass. The advantages of VR (IS, OS, VC) in lenses for video is huge and autofocus is nice to have for video/photo hybrid shooting. I've never understood the folks that completely change camera systems just because one little feature is better. Once you invest in a ton of glass and accessories it's a lot easier to just stick with the main system.
If life was like that, you never move out of your house because all of your shit is already in that house. Its moving with the technology and having new possibilities. If Image Stabilization is that important you can use a tripod or a steadicam.
Alex Brown
For anyone who has shot in the field or at fast paced events like weddings, having a tripod or spending 30 mins stabilizing a steadicam for smooth footage isn't ideal. VR is so easy to do and make the footage look SOOOO much better that I wouldn't trade to any system if it required giving up VR. I haven't tested Sony's in camera VR (they still do that right?) but if it is as useful as lens VR then that would be a nice feature. I remember a Nikon or Canon rep telling me how much more stable VR was in the lens vs near the sensor and it made sense at the time. Imagine trying to balance a 10' rod either at the balancing node in the middle verse 1' away from the end.....that was the comparison he gave to explain why a VR element in the middle of the lens path was more efficient than the Sony stabilization but maybe he was wrong?
That's true. Although they will be releasing glass with in lens stabilization for the FE mount. They will be zooms. It will take a while to get a full line up of lenses (I.E 2.8 70-200) but they already have a 24-70 f4 with in lens optical stabilization. Zeiss thinks that stabilization has an overall softening of the image, so they leave it out for the best quality. I do under stand that image stabilization is huge for video but there are ways around it, But it may take a year or two or another generation of the Sony a7 and A7R to catch up with Canon or Nikon for the most part.
True
A DSLR will never record more that 30 min. Over 30 min they need to "name" the camera as a videorecorder and not a camera.
Why would they need to do that? Can't your cell phone record longer than 30 mins if it has enough memory? They don't call cell phones video recorders.
My Bad it´s only here in europe.....
-"I thought this ws an EU only problem. Basically anything over 29 minutes and the camera is treated as a video camera and attracts a higher import duty. It isn't a technical limitation but a tax problem."
***** so crazy. I wonder why they even care? It should all be taxed as an electronic product right?
Here in Sweden we have 25% taxes on electronics for example a Canon 24-105 4L cost 1521,61 US$ went to hong kong and there was the price 840,51 US$
A Sony FS700RH have 11201,92 UD$ on it´s price tag
Canon's lowest ISO is 50....and has been for years.
pulled.
The lowest ISO on a camera doesn't mean it's the most efficient. He should've used the native ISO instead. You loose dynamic range when you use something like iso 50 on a Canon.
We were comparing the 5D Mark III which has a native low ISO of 100. It can go down to 50 but that is software. The D810 has a native ISO of 64 but can go down to 32 with software. I'm not sure what all the Canon native ISOs are but I think it's fair to say an ISO of 64 pushed down to 32 is rare by most current cameras.
Uniden I don't think that really matters when the aesthetic of shooting wide open is more of the goal. If you want to shoot wide open at 1.4 or 2.8 outside with strobe, the difference in noise at 100 vs 50 vs 32 isn't going to be noticeably at all. However if you have to stop down to say f4 or f5.6 to get the correct exposure, that difference in Depth of Field IS going to be very noticeable.
Fstoppers Fans Do you have any examples of shooting at ISO 64/32 at 1.4, 2.8, f4 or f5.6? this is a interseting facter to me. Love to see how it looks with out using a ND filter.
thank you for your video
Jesus, never mind spending several thousand to upgrade your bodies, you wanna spend $100 and get an iron! jokes
giveaway of you old D800. please?
thank you!!
Thank you, Tom Brady!
Is his name?
Tom Brady decided to upgrade to three D850s. It made him happy after losing the Superbowl .
yeah Nikon really f*cked every D800 owner literally up the arse with this camera.. Then bringing out the D750 just as everyone wanted to sell their D800 gear, thus dropping 2nd hand value to such a point that no one will want to sell their D800's and no one will want to buy a second hand D800 with the release of the D750..
Yeah it's pretty strange. We are in that exact same boat. Trying to unload a bunch of D800s and D600s for the D750. Oh well, it happens from time to time
+Patrick Hall should've upgraded to d810 while there still was no d750
In what world would you sell 3 d800s and not have enough money to buy 1 d810?
He would need 3x d810 bodies for his business thats whyhe said it would cost him $4500 deprciation.
LaughingLion4Ever Yes, we usually upgrade all of our cameras at once. This might be the first time we upgrade two D800s to two D810s and keep the remaining couple of D800s as still cameras only; but over time the D800s will lose more and more value.
Yeah I admit I didn't listen well enough. LaughingLion4Ever Patrick Hall
Good video
Just got a d810 today for £950!!
can you please make a review of NIKON D750. PLEASE.. thankyou.
We have one and are about to sell all our cameras to buy D750...they are awesome except a few weird button layouts but we can live with that.
$300 more than the D800 for a new D810 back in 2014? It's 2019 now, and you can buy a used D810 in great condition for $300 more than a D600, or $400 more than a D700 (with only a third of the resolution at 12MP!). At the risk of sounding like a meme, feel old yet?
lost a bunch off the Nikon F6
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Just bought a D800 for 650 USD
You think you take a hit on selling a used D800? Thats nothing, I paid £3000 (thats Pounds not dollars) for my 5Dmk3. I could probably sell it for a little over 50% of that now.
Yeah I understand. I think Canon has taken a little too long to release the MK IV and now other cameras probably beat the MK III within the Canon lineup. Nikon usually releases a replacement camera every 2 years so if you sell at the end of each cycle you can usually recover about 70-80% of your investment before it gets down to the 50% loss stage.
+Fstoppers it is very unfortunate that this statement is still true one year later..
canon has hinted 5Div will be released at photokina sept 2016, but too late for many users. canon exodus to nikon, but mostly to sony.