I don’t think he can poison the team. The other players respect him and I think it’s in his best interest to play well and show another team what he has left and that he can remain professional even when he isn’t happy
Poison or enlighten. They're treating him the same way they did Wade and even further back Shaq and even further back Zo. The other players are taking notice. Part of the culture is not taking care of your people.
After seeing Herro, Jovic and Ware on the court together I’m actually kinda okay with this, go get a decent big or guard for Jimmy and let’s get the young guys some time fighting together
What about Jimmy is a winning player in the CBA era at 35?no team is paying him a bag at 35,he's not LeBron or AD,we need to stop rewarding players and tanking our franchises for players that used to be good and clay Thompson was the start of that
Obviously no one actually blames you, but Pat Riley’s response to your question being the last straw for Jimmy is absolutely crazy. Local radio host/reporter altered league history…
@@gtgargongoing all in on dame meant giving up bam and most of the young guys, how quickly people forget their gm asking for crazy amount of stuff for old azz damien lillard, pat tried, he got him kyle lowry as well
The craziest thing to me is that the way the Jimmy era started was all love. He even named his daughter Riley (I think maybe spelled differently). To get here, as a fan - forget the business side of everything - as a fan, and appreciating the incredible moments Jimmy has provided (specifically sending the #1 seed Bucks packing as an 8th seed), is crushing.
Facts making miami headline news fir 4 yrs with a g league , pat need to retire the shit he did in tge 90s don't work mo more I hate when old mf hold on to long an just don't know when to leave
I knew everything behind the scenes was bad when he didn’t show up at D Wade’s statue reveal. Among other things from this summer and early in the season.
Butlers issue(s) are def having an effect on the team now. I'm Heat first, Time to get him out of there. Thanks for the good times, Jimmy. You were compensated very well. Ciao.
no excuses for BAM, but let's not forget that he's always only been a lob threat, he'll never ever be a consistent aggressive scorer, he'll have moments, but he's not a player that will look to get buckets, he's a complimentary player next to a good player...
BAM's biggest moment was blocking Tatum at the rim during the mickey mouse playoffs in the bubble. Each year he's gotten worse. Now that he has his contract so no need to play his ass off. 50% effort, 50% shooting and pitiful 50% rebounding! Guaranteed contracts to these divas are a big reason why the NBA is dying.
Yea all the comments here are solid. I blame pat first for the lame roster and playing hardball with Jimmy. Spo for the lack of offensive plays year after year and bam for not playing up to his money like Tyler is.
@@Blazenetwork1990 He never said he wanted to be a no.1 option but what he's asking for a pay that is very high when he barely plays 50 games a season and he's 36 years old.
That's not gonna happen lol he can still hoop & has a solid 2 years left. He will get paid for a 2-year contract but he won't get anywhere near the $48-52 mil that he is currently making. He is 36 gonna be 37-38 at the end of the next contract. Not everyone is Lebron & can play into their 40s.
Giving a guy whose making 50+ mil a year this year and next, who can look you in the eyes and says he deserves more despite half assing it for the past 2 seasons is ridiculous. I can't wait to see what the problem is that he'll have with his new team.
He wasn't half assing nothing he was dealing with his sick father and then he passed that took a toll on jimmy family is more important than a damn sport heat wasn't shit before jimmy got there and I've been a heat fan 30 years now
@@bushysowavvey lmfao we were straight trash for 3 straight years til Jimmy got there yes we won 3 chips dude last one was back in 2013 stop the bs we talking bout after that so it's ok to pay trash dudes like James Johnson, Tyler Johnson and Waiters for doing absolutely fucking nothing but don't want to pay jimmy who single handedly took us the the finals as an 8 seed you see exactly what this team look like without him right lol tf
Pat Riley is not gonna make decisions out of emotion. Makes no sense to extend jimmy he was coasting. Opt out or get traded is his future. We gonna have a new piece next year regardless
Pat should have traded his ass in the offseason. Pat is trash. Jimmys the only reason we got thru the 23 playoffs lets be real. But Jimmy also coasted way too much during the reg season acting like James Harden, the whole thing is awful. As what usually happens with Heat stars, at the end its always a messy divorce. Pat needs to retire, let Zo take over and we need to move on with our young core. I have MORE questions for Bam tho. Eldrice….. What the fuck is wrong with you fam
Finally the time has come. Time to trade Butler. This window has been closed and it's great everyone is finally realizing it. For those arguing to give Jimmy a max deal... please tell me what you're smoking because you all have been so terribly wrong. That dude is not worth a max deal. Period.
I think he has a lot more basketball in the tank, he's always been more crafty then anything as long as he can get to playoffs he's going to give you some performances he's done it way too often, it also makes sense on what team he goes to, if grizzlies just trade smart, konchar and draft compensation I think heat HAVE to do that. That team just feels in a awkward place and I think he fits well in Memphis smart is literally not playing anymore and heat were interested in konchar and along with 3 2nds I mean that's a win win you let Tyler ball out the rest of the season clear up money and with bam and Tyler you are a play in team then they just keep building from there but I don't think this is just on butler pat Riley knew the ceiling of this team and didn't really upgrade this roster like you said he's 35 why stay? Like honestly they are not competing with Boston, Cleveland, bucks I'd even throw magic in there fully healthy this was coming sooner or later Didn't even bring up the knicks
@@6ides548 regular season Jimmy butler has been trash I don't get the hype for this dude the heat trying to sell.he leads teams into playInn tourneys he basically a more injured and older Josh hart,I don't see anybody wanting his style especially on contending teams with high salary contracts already or young rebuilding team she doesn't fit anywhere.
Always remember... Shawn Michaels lost his smile too... Seriously, tho if it's all true and Jimmy really wants out, thanks for e everything, Jimmy. 2 finals runs 2 all-star appearances, some of the craziest plays and stats by a Heat player, and always made his teammates better. Thanks for the memories and the entertainment. I hope you pose if you compete against the Heat but otherwise thanks for everything.
@@MrFoxinAround y’all need to snap out of keeping JB hostage. Blame the front office and small ball system. If anything JB deserves a ring and it won’t be Miami.
So okkk... So the next time Miami plays the Bucks, Celtics, Cavs and even the Magic without Jimmy then you will realize why most of us wanted Riley to pay Jimmy.
Tobin you mentioned a good point here. Tyler and bam only shooting so little this game feels like they want jimmy to get activated but ..... man its just heart breaking. I want jimmy to stay but he is 100% acting up already like what he did with his past teams
This is disappointing to see….. I haven’t watched a single Heat game since they made Bally sports a premium pay channel, sad to see this team implode like this.
I think Jimmy saying that his role has changed was more of an announcement to the organization than it was some sort of cop out. He's letting Spo and Riley know that this is what they can expect out of him from now on.
We not going to blame Spo for what the hell Jimmy's doing. Spo always said this, it's about effort. Jimmy's not hooping. Just get rid of his sorry ass. I'm highly disappointed in him. Smh
Only a spiteful, envious, simple minded jerk could make 50 mil a year and feel disrespected. Steph Curry once said "You shouldn't count another man's money".
Bam is better and more athletic,Jimmy has to many miles in this CBA era guys like him won't see no extension trust me he's not Paul George or klau Thompson
What I don’t get is Jimmy doing this isn’t gonna guarantee him more money he might actually lose money no team wants to take on that kinda contract on a aging star that causes problems everywhere he goes…..
Past Jimmy was a superstar, Jimmy now is good, great every 6-7 games, but can’t be your best player anymore. Love Jimmy and have great memories, but I’m totally ok trading him. Future Jimmy is not the old Jimmy
These are grown ass rich men that play basketball for a living. It’s not that serious. If u don’t wanna make 48 million dollars playing basketball and living in Miami then get out of here 😂it’s that simple. This team as presently constructed with Butler isn’t doing anything anyways
Tobs love you man I’ve been the biggest Jimmy supporter and when I got the notification from shams I was crushed. Funny thing is I was sitting almost courtside witnessing Jimmy hit that three. Next vid you make I’m drinking to it stay strong brotha 🤝
Trade him. As much as loved the Butler era and his contributions to bring us into the Finals twice, the man never took any accountability for being unavailable most of the time.
It’s gonna be hard to see him go. I truly feel like this team’s identity is built upon Jimmy. I wish he would just ride out the rest of the year. Now the Celtics will own the East without contest
I’m a Heat fan first and foremost. Jimmy Butler has tested my patience more than enough at this point, get him out of here! I thought they should’ve traded him over the summer, but the next best move is to trade him now!
@@dmen0563 Nice troll account bud, they hold all the leverage. Jimmy literally has to sit still no matter what, until the heat decide to go young and find a suitor.
@@jfireball123 Plus I suppose it's been said he wants "anywhere" so the requirement to send him to a contender is no longer a must. Opens it up a bit more.
Jimmy has just requested himself out the league I'm willing to bet if jim opts out he will not get a contact from anybody,you just can't disrespect a great so openly
I appreciate this feedback, not sure why everyone feels like they need to "be on a side." Jimmy's legacy is forever cemented but this behavior's whack in the micro and the organization also has a part in this, in the macro.
Get into a pissing match with Butler? Jimmy and Spo got into a shouting match mid game a few years ago. You should already know what it is Tobs. MF is just Jimmy. Hate it or Love it. I know Spo added a few grey hairs these past few seasons. 😂
Jimmy Butler he wants 50 million but only to lead you in a playoff run, not to get you there. No other max player you want, coasts during the season. So if the Heat paid him tommorow, he’d be a brand new guy? He should be embarrassed and never be in the same sentence as Dwyane Wade!
This isn't about money! He has a 52 million player option next year that he plans to decline. He is pissed at Pat Riley for telling him to shut up and play
@jimmyjay689 I don't think all max contracts are earned. I think players who see themselves as one of the best 2 players on their respective teams expect it. For instance, take the Bulls and Zach, he is not worth the max. LBJ is the only 45 plus player that you can argue is still worth the max. I think the league should just get rid of it all together.
Exactly... he's not box office either. Its not like he is some insanely popular player that makes the Heat huge profit. He has 0 rings at age 35. Its a big risk. Wade atleast had won something. Jimmy hasnt won anything and he thinks he deserves better... yeah he should keep dreaming.
Bam, Herro and Butler never fits. The only reason they fit in 2020 was Herro was a catch and shoot so as Bam was an off-the-ball scorer. With how Bam depend on midrange so as Herro needs to chuck up many 3s and can't play off-ball. They would never fit. Jimmy plays the right way, they don't.
You guys aren't listening. "What his job is now. That can be my role here. That's not what im used to, " indicates he was told to do something different. Also, let's be real, im sick and tired of the heats approach to building a team. Yes, we are great at finding gems, but we develop them and never pay them, and they eventually leave us to get what they are worth. The only reason we've gone as far as we've gone is because of jimmy dominat play in big moments. Everyone loves bam, but he never shows up when he's needed and shys away from big moments. He's a number 3, not a number 2 option, if you're honest about it. The Heat need to shift their way of doing things. It's not working anymore. Even when we had deep playoff runs, they never improved the team the following year. That's soooooo frustrating. We were always 1 oieace away. And yet they kept looking for more players to develop while our window for winning was closing. Im tired of watching it. I've been watching the heat for 25 years now. We aren't a winning team. We've been subpar and barely a 45-win team for far too long. Jimmy wants to compete, and he wants a team where he can. Sooooo tire of watching us develop players only to start over in 2 or 3 years and develop another group, wash rinse repeat. It's dumb.
This narrative is flawed. Wade left because at the time, he had never been the highest paid player on the team. Jimmy, on the other hand, has been the highest paid player on the Heat for 6 years. He's not doing charity work for free in Miami, and the Heat has been extremely generous over the years with him.
The hype has gon to his head... The playoff Jimmy stuff has ruined him. Because his availability is why we always fighting to even get in the playoffs. Its time to part ways. The heat organization made Jimmy Butler. Now its time to part ways. He's lost a step and he's playing good in enough games to take a time over the top. Trade him to Brooklyn
Jimmy straight up lied to every reporter and every person who has watched him play the last couple seasons including last night!! One thing for sure is I’m gonna go out and compete I’m trying to win. Even if my usage is down and I only got 9 points. GTFO jimbo. We have seen for the past couple seasons you miss many games and I’d say 30 percent of the ones you did play maybe even more- you were a shell of a player out there going through the motions. Lifeless. Dragging us to L after L after L.
This makes me think about when Jimmy did his post game presser with Jovic and said “The ball was going to the right places”. Have there been team issues since then other than just the contract?
Anyone else noticed when Tyler expected Jimmy to shoot the tech ft and he didn’t. Jimmy checked out. It’s been a great run. I enjoyed the Jimmy era but it’s time to move on.
@aaronanders855 Wade is the GOAT. I love Jimmy but Wade never took games off when he was healthy. He only did what Jimmy did during the big three when our best player was prime fking lebron and it was legit as Wade had bone on bone knees. Wade at Jimmy's age and position would still try and dominate on the regular season AND playoffs. That's a true superstar, I kinda side with riley even though I think he's been overrated lately and has 80% of his success in Miami to credit Wade for (reason for Shaq, lebron, bosh AND Jimmy coming) plus '06. If Jimmy simply played like he shoulda we wouldn't have been a play in team back to back NEEDING to have some Cinderella run to advance to the finals. I wanna cheer for a team that actually dominates both regular season and playoffs. Why do we always have to be some unsuspecting under dog. Fk all that, time to shake ish up.
@@aaronanders855Pat did wade wrong by trading him because he was 36,wade should know how Jimmy feels but Jimmy not showing up at statue reveal was not smart
@@BrooklynKnicksFan oh most definitely Pat did Wade wrong back in 2016. But Wade was still able to finish his career with Heat and had a nice sendoff. Time heals. With Jimmy yeah Pat not gonna pay a guy who’s 35-36 already missing a 1/4 of the season and not even averaging 20 ppg max money. The Jimmy era is memorable but all things come to an end at some point
Same! Especially since he has a 52 million player option next year. I think he’s pissed at Pat’s comments in the off season about shutting up if he’s not on the court.
@@kendallwhitfield5504 bro I don’t think it’s that either but things about his effort this season and him slowly losing touches…he spoke on his current role simply being a defender doesn’t sit right with him
Tobin should get credit for starting the beef between Jimmy and pat there was no reason for that question and you could tell Jimmy felt very disrespected at that point I think it broke the camels back in addition to them not giving him his contracg
@@NoesisGlobalTVnot everyone can get to the pros in any sport. Not everyone is gifted with the genetics and talent and obviously the determination and work ethic that has to be developed from within. But it’s more about these athletes complaining about money when the very people that watch and support and admire them tend to be struggling just to make ends meet. Yeah they may help out the community in whatever way they do but try to be empathetic and sympathetic to your audience
Riles did the same with Zo , Wade and now Jimmy . Honestly he should have paid Wade , instead of giving Tyler Johnson 55 million , guarantee, nobody till this day knows who Tyler Johnson is .He should not pay Jimmy and he won’t . Wade carried that whole 2006 team on his back and did not run out of gas like Jimmy . Butler is a player that is always on the cusp of greatness but can never get over the Hump. You have to win ships to take like jimmys is talking .
Jimmy has been an awesome player for Miami and in the past when he didn't get his way he would pout and act out to get traded I thought he grew up and matured here in Miami but obviously he's just going to be that way until he retires
I'm glad that this organization doesn't pay legacy max contracts. It's unfair to the rest of the team, coaches, organization and fans. No 1 player is that important that they should get paid for past performance. Nope.
@thehandsomenerd6719 those are not Legacy contracts. Jimmy wants to get paid for his past success. He is not worth a max this year let alone when he's turning 38. That's crazy 🤪
@dontmindme4197 really? Without Jimmy, we will have a max slot to pay a younger up and coming star. Why wast a max on a player who doesn't realize that he isn't an anomaly he is not beating Father Time. This is what happens to stars when they turn 35 plus. They don't realize what is plain to see. They are no longer as great as they were. It happened to Shaq & Wade. It's time for Jimmy to see it, too. I doubt any1 will offer him what he wants.
As much as I like Jimmy, he is simply better somewhere else already so we can move on and build this team. He did us well these past years but he is getting older after all, better to rebuild now then let it linger and see him play less and less.
Whatever happened to being able to hold people accountable without getting their feelings hurt. that's always been a thing here no matter of the player🔥💯
I didn’t think jimmy would start throwing on purpose, you have to trade now. If you think about how the heat have looked some nights without jimmy, like vs Houston, adding fox to that would be kinda nice. Miami gets: fox Warriors get: jimmy Kings get: kuminga and 2 first from warriors, 1 from heat, and cap guys like Wiggins / rozier.
Jimmy been my favorite player since arriving in Miami. It's been a fun ride. Thank you for the 3 deep playoff runs big fella
Send Jimmy home until you trade him. Don't let him poison the rest of the team.
its already done
I don’t think he can poison the team. The other players respect him and I think it’s in his best interest to play well and show another team what he has left and that he can remain professional even when he isn’t happy
Facts
Poison or enlighten. They're treating him the same way they did Wade and even further back Shaq and even further back Zo. The other players are taking notice. Part of the culture is not taking care of your people.
@@dco419😂😂😂..."remain professional".... That clown doesn't know the meaning of the word. He's been a cry baby for years.
I appreciate you Tobin for not simping for Jimmy and calling it like it is. He isn't trying and dragging the team down.
And he’s done this on every team when he doesn’t get his way. Bye bro! Loved your time here and it was fun but you’re not above the franchise.
@@R2TheMthe franchise that has made fucked up moves. While others are winning championships the heat here playing around.
@@R2TheM🥰🥰
Y’all forgot the historic statline va the pistons right before he got hurt
Mannn Dwade knew what was going on. that speech he gave saying house divided is not good
Yup he def knew
They put Bam on a pedestal
Wade never got Max Money from the Heat which he should have
Wade then went on to embarass himself for a couple years before retiring to no fanfare whatsoever. He was already on the decline.
Yup. and Jimmy wasn't even in attendance there
After seeing Herro, Jovic and Ware on the court together I’m actually kinda okay with this, go get a decent big or guard for Jimmy and let’s get the young guys some time fighting together
That’s what I’m saying, build from the ground up with the young players that we have now.
Fr I’m ready for the new era of heatles bball
For sho
Youngins got next
8th seed
What about Jimmy is a winning player in the CBA era at 35?no team is paying him a bag at 35,he's not LeBron or AD,we need to stop rewarding players and tanking our franchises for players that used to be good and clay Thompson was the start of that
Obviously no one actually blames you, but Pat Riley’s response to your question being the last straw for Jimmy is absolutely crazy. Local radio host/reporter altered league history…
😂
I somehow think the opening night loss to Orlando was something that should not have gone unnoticed.
I think it goes all the way back to summer 2023 when they didn't go all in on Dame.
@@gtgargongoing all in on dame meant giving up bam and most of the young guys, how quickly people forget their gm asking for crazy amount of stuff for old azz damien lillard, pat tried, he got him kyle lowry as well
Why that game?
@@AlexHernandez-xh8ei it was Pat Riley night, they unveiled the new court honoring his legacy
Bruh the two questions Tobin asked got Jimmy out the door 🚪 sheesh 😂 Mr. Frosty
Nothing to cry about tobin. Love Butler and what hes done but no way in hell do I want to see him coast through regular seasons for 3 more years, lol
The craziest thing to me is that the way the Jimmy era started was all love. He even named his daughter Riley (I think maybe spelled differently). To get here, as a fan - forget the business side of everything - as a fan, and appreciating the incredible moments Jimmy has provided (specifically sending the #1 seed Bucks packing as an 8th seed), is crushing.
Facts making miami headline news fir 4 yrs with a g league , pat need to retire the shit he did in tge 90s don't work mo more I hate when old mf hold on to long an just don't know when to leave
I knew everything behind the scenes was bad when he didn’t show up at D Wade’s statue reveal. Among other things from this summer and early in the season.
yup
He's a damn hater scew that rich fool
Butlers issue(s) are def having an effect on the team now.
I'm Heat first, Time to get him out of there. Thanks for the good times, Jimmy. You were compensated very well. Ciao.
Exactly.
Fax- well said!
Agreed! Idk what these fans are thinking just wanting to give Jimmy a raise for no output. It was fun while it lasted but BYE! No love lost.
Most of them aren’t real heat fans there just jimmy butler fans. Any real heat fan or any fan of an nba team will never put a player above there team
The person that has to step up is bam, he’s paid like he’s balling and he’s not
He won’t
Max contact for a defensive big man. Doesn’t attempt to grab over 10 rebounds consistently and doesn’t have any offensive game.
no excuses for BAM, but let's not forget that he's always only been a
lob threat, he'll never ever be a consistent aggressive scorer, he'll have moments, but he's not a player that will look to get buckets, he's a complimentary player next to a good player...
BAM's biggest moment was blocking Tatum at the rim during the mickey mouse playoffs in the bubble. Each year he's gotten worse. Now that he has his contract so no need to play his ass off. 50% effort, 50% shooting and pitiful 50% rebounding!
Guaranteed contracts to these divas are a big reason why the NBA is dying.
Yea all the comments here are solid. I blame pat first for the lame roster and playing hardball with Jimmy. Spo for the lack of offensive plays year after year and bam for not playing up to his money like Tyler is.
we are all along for the ride with ya tobs, fans till the bitter end🫡
damn straight
He doesn't respect pat Riley is bull .He didn't work for it
Finally! Been refreshing every 5 min
same lol
Jimmy demanding of no. 1 offensive option when hes not even available to play is damn crazy!!
He never said that spo lol has them playing a new way which causes him to have the ball less
@@Blazenetwork1990 He never said he wanted to be a no.1 option but what he's asking for a pay that is very high when he barely plays 50 games a season and he's 36 years old.
@ he 35 but ok
@@Jass-kp8ws he played 60 games last season and a lot of the games he missed was do to his dad passing away
@@Blazenetwork1990 I love how you pointed out he's exact age like it really matters for a 1 year difference
Lets gooo been waiting all night! 😂
I think what Jimmy is afraid of is not getting that extension then finding out that no team wants to pay him more than mid level.
That's not gonna happen lol he can still hoop & has a solid 2 years left. He will get paid for a 2-year contract but he won't get anywhere near the $48-52 mil that he is currently making. He is 36 gonna be 37-38 at the end of the next contract. Not everyone is Lebron & can play into their 40s.
Giving a guy whose making 50+ mil a year this year and next, who can look you in the eyes and says he deserves more despite half assing it for the past 2 seasons is ridiculous. I can't wait to see what the problem is that he'll have with his new team.
He wasn't half assing nothing he was dealing with his sick father and then he passed that took a toll on jimmy family is more important than a damn sport heat wasn't shit before jimmy got there and I've been a heat fan 30 years now
@@Mandown1985Mwe won 3 titles without Jimmy. If you think we “haven’t done shit”, go follow him wherever we trade him & be a fan of a new team.
@@bushysowavvey lmfao we were straight trash for 3 straight years til Jimmy got there yes we won 3 chips dude last one was back in 2013 stop the bs we talking bout after that so it's ok to pay trash dudes like James Johnson, Tyler Johnson and Waiters for doing absolutely fucking nothing but don't want to pay jimmy who single handedly took us the the finals as an 8 seed you see exactly what this team look like without him right lol tf
@@Mandown1985Mfather was a deadbeat, he should’ve gotten over it and done his job he’s getting paid close to 50 mil a year for
Miami needs ud back in the locker room fr the last 2 years have been rough since our finals run in 2023
We have Captain Bam.
Captain Bum
@@Ent.4321 He's soft.
Pat Riley is not gonna make decisions out of emotion. Makes no sense to extend jimmy he was coasting. Opt out or get traded is his future. We gonna have a new piece next year regardless
Pat should have traded his ass in the offseason. Pat is trash. Jimmys the only reason we got thru the 23 playoffs lets be real. But Jimmy also coasted way too much during the reg season acting like James Harden, the whole thing is awful. As what usually happens with Heat stars, at the end its always a messy divorce. Pat needs to retire, let Zo take over and we need to move on with our young core. I have MORE questions for Bam tho. Eldrice….. What the fuck is wrong with you fam
I don’t understand why we even played him after the 1st quarter he clearly doesn’t gaf
@@Tyler_Macari when things don’t go his way he either come up injured or Quit believe me he’s going to be injured most of the year
Jimmy has my boy chugging rum at 3 am 😂😂😂😩 hang in there Tobs! Whats meant to be will be!
Finally the time has come. Time to trade Butler. This window has been closed and it's great everyone is finally realizing it. For those arguing to give Jimmy a max deal... please tell me what you're smoking because you all have been so terribly wrong. That dude is not worth a max deal. Period.
But Bam is?! 60 million for bam. 90% if fans will be crying for him to get traded in a year.
Trade him for what?this CBA ain't no joke,he's not worth 20 million he's not athletic like LeBron and he's 35
I think he has a lot more basketball in the tank, he's always been more crafty then anything as long as he can get to playoffs he's going to give you some performances he's done it way too often, it also makes sense on what team he goes to, if grizzlies just trade smart, konchar and draft compensation I think heat HAVE to do that.
That team just feels in a awkward place and I think he fits well in Memphis smart is literally not playing anymore and heat were interested in konchar and along with 3 2nds I mean that's a win win you let Tyler ball out the rest of the season clear up money and with bam and Tyler you are a play in team then they just keep building from there but I don't think this is just on butler pat Riley knew the ceiling of this team and didn't really upgrade this roster like you said he's 35 why stay? Like honestly they are not competing with Boston, Cleveland, bucks I'd even throw magic in there fully healthy this was coming sooner or later
Didn't even bring up the knicks
Jimmy to get 30M/yr for 4 years
@@6ides548 regular season Jimmy butler has been trash I don't get the hype for this dude the heat trying to sell.he leads teams into playInn tourneys he basically a more injured and older Josh hart,I don't see anybody wanting his style especially on contending teams with high salary contracts already or young rebuilding team she doesn't fit anywhere.
we went from I want to retire here to to jimmy wanting to go anywhere man this is sooo soo bad
I’m getting real tired of the front office thinking everything will go their way
Always remember... Shawn Michaels lost his smile too...
Seriously, tho if it's all true and Jimmy really wants out, thanks for e everything, Jimmy. 2 finals runs 2 all-star appearances, some of the craziest plays and stats by a Heat player, and always made his teammates better. Thanks for the memories and the entertainment. I hope you pose if you compete against the Heat but otherwise thanks for everything.
I appreciate the HBK reference
I think fox to Miami is the move
Hell yeah
Delusional
@@MrFoxinAround y’all need to snap out of keeping JB hostage. Blame the front office and small ball system. If anything JB deserves a ring and it won’t be Miami.
So okkk... So the next time Miami plays the Bucks, Celtics, Cavs and even the Magic without Jimmy then you will realize why most of us wanted Riley to pay Jimmy.
It’s basically Jimmy saying bam can’t carry. Like he did in Minnesota with KAT. And he isn’t lying. Bam isn’t taking the team anywhere
Tobin you mentioned a good point here. Tyler and bam only shooting so little this game feels like they want jimmy to get activated but ..... man its just heart breaking.
I want jimmy to stay but he is 100% acting up already like what he did with his past teams
Keeping butler in Miami would not take us anywhere.. he will give his next team his ALL then crash… if hes not happy why keep him around…
There are consequences to running back the play-in squad! 💀
Yup and butler is an idiot,so bye bye
This is disappointing to see….. I haven’t watched a single Heat game since they made Bally sports a premium pay channel, sad to see this team implode like this.
I miss sun sports….
I haven't been able to watch any heat game as well this season
It’s not Bally anymore.
Its called streaming lol… excuses
I think Jimmy saying that his role has changed was more of an announcement to the organization than it was some sort of cop out. He's letting Spo and Riley know that this is what they can expect out of him from now on.
We not going to blame Spo for what the hell Jimmy's doing. Spo always said this, it's about effort. Jimmy's not hooping. Just get rid of his sorry ass. I'm highly disappointed in him. Smh
Correct
Jimmy seeing Bam get his money and playing like this, he feels disrespected LOL
Bam is 26
Only a spiteful, envious, simple minded jerk could make 50 mil a year and feel disrespected. Steph Curry once said "You shouldn't count another man's money".
@@momsspaghetti834 you mean 27
Bam is better and more athletic,Jimmy has to many miles in this CBA era guys like him won't see no extension trust me he's not Paul George or klau Thompson
What has Bam done in the postseason? NOTHING . He got owned by Al Horford last year in the first round. Gave an extension that was undeserving
I’ve drank with you a good deal this year Tobin. Thank you for the raw uncut content
It was a good ride
“So you won’t say that I’m out there not playing hard” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What I don’t get is Jimmy doing this isn’t gonna guarantee him more money he might actually lose money no team wants to take on that kinda contract on a aging star that causes problems everywhere he goes…..
Yea.... He is acting like he's sabotaging on purpose but he's been acting like this. Like Tobin is saying.
Past Jimmy was a superstar, Jimmy now is good, great every 6-7 games, but can’t be your best player anymore. Love Jimmy and have great memories, but I’m totally ok trading him. Future Jimmy is not the old Jimmy
Correct,gets hurt
Jimmy is distracting the team and it’s not fair to the other guys. Now the heat gotta listen for the best trade offers smh
These are grown ass rich men that play basketball for a living. It’s not that serious. If u don’t wanna make 48 million dollars playing basketball and living in Miami then get out of here 😂it’s that simple. This team as presently constructed with Butler isn’t doing anything anyways
Facts. Vam and Herro will never be legit come playoffs with how they depend on midrange and 3s.
Tobs love you man I’ve been the biggest Jimmy supporter and when I got the notification from shams I was crushed. Funny thing is I was sitting almost courtside witnessing Jimmy hit that three. Next vid you make I’m drinking to it stay strong brotha 🤝
Pat is right in not extending a 35 y/o part time star. He's whinning and yet he makes over half a million per game, let that sink in!
Trade him. As much as loved the Butler era and his contributions to bring us into the Finals twice, the man never took any accountability for being unavailable most of the time.
It’s gonna be hard to see him go. I truly feel like this team’s identity is built upon Jimmy.
I wish he would just ride out the rest of the year. Now the Celtics will own the East without contest
The Celtics beat us 6 out of 7 games last year, the Celtics already own the east. 🤣😂
gotta place our hope in the Cavs, Knicks, possibly the Magic, or whoever survives the West
I’m a Heat fan first and foremost. Jimmy Butler has tested my patience more than enough at this point, get him out of here! I thought they should’ve traded him over the summer, but the next best move is to trade him now!
He shot a one footed fadeaway 3 point shot.... i don't think he's trying to be efficient anymore
kept hitting refresh for tobin. sucks jimmy going out like this…
same same i wasnt believing shit until its tobin who post Lol
The assets they will collect from Jimmy will help this team so much. Thanks Jimmy but it was just time to part ways.
Lol you getting jack shit back heat have 0 leverage
@@dmen0563 watch and learn pal, nba has changed and teams will throw away young talent like its nothing lol
@@dmen0563 Nice troll account bud, they hold all the leverage. Jimmy literally has to sit still no matter what, until the heat decide to go young and find a suitor.
@@jfireball123 Plus I suppose it's been said he wants "anywhere" so the requirement to send him to a contender is no longer a must. Opens it up a bit more.
Jimmy has just requested himself out the league I'm willing to bet if jim opts out he will not get a contact from anybody,you just can't disrespect a great so openly
I appreciate this feedback, not sure why everyone feels like they need to "be on a side." Jimmy's legacy is forever cemented but this behavior's whack in the micro and the organization also has a part in this, in the macro.
Get into a pissing match with Butler? Jimmy and Spo got into a shouting match mid game a few years ago. You should already know what it is Tobs. MF is just Jimmy. Hate it or Love it. I know Spo added a few grey hairs these past few seasons. 😂
We all been waiting for this one😮💨🤧
Crying tears of joy. Can't wait for this ungrateful guy go far away.
Jimmy Butler he wants 50 million but only to lead you in a playoff run, not to get you there. No other max player you want, coasts during the season. So if the Heat paid him tommorow, he’d be a brand new guy? He should be embarrassed and never be in the same sentence as Dwyane Wade!
This isn't about money! He has a 52 million player option next year that he plans to decline. He is pissed at Pat Riley for telling him to shut up and play
Yeah way to ask that question Tobin way to go dude…
The league should get rid of max contracts. It is a sort of monopolization by the top players in the league.
Fully guaranteed contracts and "player empowerment" pouting sessions are killing the league
Its earned
Do you realize how much revenue they make these teams? Cut it out
@jimmyjay689 I don't think all max contracts are earned. I think players who see themselves as one of the best 2 players on their respective teams expect it. For instance, take the Bulls and Zach, he is not worth the max. LBJ is the only 45 plus player that you can argue is still worth the max. I think the league should just get rid of it all together.
Nobody won’t pay him after this season unfortunately he isn’t curry Lebron or Durant who’s scoring 25-30 points a game at 35+
Exactly... he's not box office either. Its not like he is some insanely popular player that makes the Heat huge profit. He has 0 rings at age 35. Its a big risk. Wade atleast had won something. Jimmy hasnt won anything and he thinks he deserves better... yeah he should keep dreaming.
Yah buy come playoffs?
@@ronito346if anyone gets him this season it’ll be a rental the only teams that can afford to give him the extension is us and Brooklyn
He can't play like lebron but has his attitude!!
Don’t be down, all I have to say to Jimmy is “ bye Felicia” it was only fun but go kick rocks.
Bam, Herro and Butler never fits. The only reason they fit in 2020 was Herro was a catch and shoot so as Bam was an off-the-ball scorer. With how Bam depend on midrange so as Herro needs to chuck up many 3s and can't play off-ball. They would never fit. Jimmy plays the right way, they don't.
Thats not a ship u named around Jimmy, thats a row boat 😂😂
You guys aren't listening. "What his job is now. That can be my role here. That's not what im used to, " indicates he was told to do something different. Also, let's be real, im sick and tired of the heats approach to building a team. Yes, we are great at finding gems, but we develop them and never pay them, and they eventually leave us to get what they are worth. The only reason we've gone as far as we've gone is because of jimmy dominat play in big moments. Everyone loves bam, but he never shows up when he's needed and shys away from big moments. He's a number 3, not a number 2 option, if you're honest about it. The Heat need to shift their way of doing things. It's not working anymore. Even when we had deep playoff runs, they never improved the team the following year. That's soooooo frustrating. We were always 1 oieace away. And yet they kept looking for more players to develop while our window for winning was closing. Im tired of watching it. I've been watching the heat for 25 years now. We aren't a winning team. We've been subpar and barely a 45-win team for far too long. Jimmy wants to compete, and he wants a team where he can. Sooooo tire of watching us develop players only to start over in 2 or 3 years and develop another group, wash rinse repeat. It's dumb.
Jimmy was practically treated like wade from pat on the business side, he has kept Miami relevant up to date but never landed another superstar
This narrative is flawed. Wade left because at the time, he had never been the highest paid player on the team. Jimmy, on the other hand, has been the highest paid player on the Heat for 6 years. He's not doing charity work for free in Miami, and the Heat has been extremely generous over the years with him.
better late than never i guess. the festering started when the Heat traded away Dragic. he was the heart.
The sips were killin me😭😭
The hype has gon to his head... The playoff Jimmy stuff has ruined him. Because his availability is why we always fighting to even get in the playoffs. Its time to part ways. The heat organization made Jimmy Butler. Now its time to part ways. He's lost a step and he's playing good in enough games to take a time over the top. Trade him to Brooklyn
And even when he's available and in-between great playoff games, he isn't aggressive and damn near disappears.
I have no idea what you think Jimmy had done recently to make you feel he deserves that new contract.
Jimmy straight up lied to every reporter and every person who has watched him play the last couple seasons including last night!! One thing for sure is I’m gonna go out and compete I’m trying to win. Even if my usage is down and I only got 9 points. GTFO jimbo. We have seen for the past couple seasons you miss many games and I’d say 30 percent of the ones you did play maybe even more- you were a shell of a player out there going through the motions. Lifeless. Dragging us to L after L after L.
Facts
They waited too long to make a trade, now he has become a distressed asset. There’s not much they’re going to get for him…
This makes me think about when Jimmy did his post game presser with Jovic and said “The ball was going to the right places”. Have there been team issues since then other than just the contract?
Anyone else noticed when Tyler expected Jimmy to shoot the tech ft and he didn’t. Jimmy checked out. It’s been a great run. I enjoyed the Jimmy era but it’s time to move on.
Knew this was gonna be a long one lol
This all started when Wade didnt mention Butler in his statue speech.
Butler didn’t show up
Even Wade kind of defended Pat about the comments he made about Jimmy in the offseason
@aaronanders855 Wade is the GOAT. I love Jimmy but Wade never took games off when he was healthy. He only did what Jimmy did during the big three when our best player was prime fking lebron and it was legit as Wade had bone on bone knees. Wade at Jimmy's age and position would still try and dominate on the regular season AND playoffs. That's a true superstar, I kinda side with riley even though I think he's been overrated lately and has 80% of his success in Miami to credit Wade for (reason for Shaq, lebron, bosh AND Jimmy coming) plus '06.
If Jimmy simply played like he shoulda we wouldn't have been a play in team back to back NEEDING to have some Cinderella run to advance to the finals. I wanna cheer for a team that actually dominates both regular season and playoffs. Why do we always have to be some unsuspecting under dog. Fk all that, time to shake ish up.
@@aaronanders855Pat did wade wrong by trading him because he was 36,wade should know how Jimmy feels but Jimmy not showing up at statue reveal was not smart
@@BrooklynKnicksFan oh most definitely Pat did Wade wrong back in 2016. But Wade was still able to finish his career with Heat and had a nice sendoff. Time heals. With Jimmy yeah Pat not gonna pay a guy who’s 35-36 already missing a 1/4 of the season and not even averaging 20 ppg max money. The Jimmy era is memorable but all things come to an end at some point
I don’t even think it’s a money thing I think it’s a respect and appreciation thing
Same! Especially since he has a 52 million player option next year. I think he’s pissed at Pat’s comments in the off season about shutting up if he’s not on the court.
Let's be honest if you aren't on the court playing why have shit to say
@@kendallwhitfield5504 bro I don’t think it’s that either but things about his effort this season and him slowly losing touches…he spoke on his current role simply being a defender doesn’t sit right with him
@@YoungItachi22 a title contender will not bring him in. After this trades guts a team to aquire him. Let's see his love of the game then.
@@YoungItachi22 a title contender will not bring him in. After this trades guts a team to aquire him. Let's see his love of the game then.
If he wants to go..let him 👋🏾
Lets get that WARE video out Tobin! Into the future we go.
On a positive note nice chain boi
Wiggins would be a good fit.
Yes
I said this was happening since Media Day (the change in behavior was obvious) and no one believed me
Very obvious.
Tobin should get credit for starting the beef between Jimmy and pat there was no reason for that question and you could tell Jimmy felt very disrespected at that point I think it broke the camels back in addition to them not giving him his contracg
I’m Heat first. If he doesnt wanna be here….. Trade um!!!!!
I smell a fox down in Miami.#HeatNation. There is no miami Heat without Riley.
Yah but he was sleeping for 5 yrs now.
@@ronito346 you should go to sleep cuz thats such a goofball narrative
He has spoken he wants out let him walk. Respect his decision.
We respect that decision but we not going to give him up for free
Pat Riley is the new Jerry jones
The amount of stupid money these guys make and how much they complain really turns me off from this sport.
We’re in the new gilded age trying to get by with bills and have to listen to these mfs complain about not getting 60 mill a year. 😐
Well, go play sports. Is not their fault you are broke.
Blame God for making you useless
@@NoesisGlobalTVnot everyone can get to the pros in any sport. Not everyone is gifted with the genetics and talent and obviously the determination and work ethic that has to be developed from within. But it’s more about these athletes complaining about money when the very people that watch and support and admire them tend to be struggling just to make ends meet. Yeah they may help out the community in whatever way they do but try to be empathetic and sympathetic to your audience
Facts!
All the Shams haters are in shambles.
Pat Riley caused this. Now they will get nothing for him in a trade. They should have traded him early on when he was playing well.
Jimmy Butler caused this don't you put this on Pat rally
Let him go.
I agree on spo gonna find a way to get 45-48 wins and make the playoffs.
1st rd exits
Don't sugar coat it Jimmy wants to be traded
Riles did the same with Zo , Wade and now Jimmy . Honestly he should have paid Wade , instead of giving Tyler Johnson 55 million , guarantee, nobody till this day knows who Tyler Johnson is .He should not pay Jimmy and he won’t . Wade carried that whole 2006 team on his back and did not run out of gas like Jimmy . Butler is a player that is always on the cusp of greatness but can never get over the Hump. You have to win ships to take like jimmys is talking .
Jimmy has been an awesome player for Miami and in the past when he didn't get his way he would pout and act out to get traded I thought he grew up and matured here in Miami but obviously he's just going to be that way until he retires
That Bad Boys commercial he did with Martin Lawrence & Will Smith is coming true with the trade
I'm glad that this organization doesn't pay legacy max contracts. It's unfair to the rest of the team, coaches, organization and fans. No 1 player is that important that they should get paid for past performance. Nope.
But they pay bam, Duncan, Tyler Johnson, whiteside
Cook this fool. Heat have over paid a TON of players who didn't deserve it.
@thehandsomenerd6719 those are not Legacy contracts. Jimmy wants to get paid for his past success. He is not worth a max this year let alone when he's turning 38. That's crazy 🤪
@@solracblonde9480so we just gone be ass and save Mickey a couple dollars GREAT
@dontmindme4197 really? Without Jimmy, we will have a max slot to pay a younger up and coming star. Why wast a max on a player who doesn't realize that he isn't an anomaly he is not beating Father Time. This is what happens to stars when they turn 35 plus. They don't realize what is plain to see. They are no longer as great as they were. It happened to Shaq & Wade. It's time for Jimmy to see it, too. I doubt any1 will offer him what he wants.
Damn tobin. You here my guy
As much as I like Jimmy, he is simply better somewhere else already so we can move on and build this team. He did us well these past years but he is getting older after all, better to rebuild now then let it linger and see him play less and less.
Whatever happened to being able to hold people accountable without getting their feelings hurt. that's always been a thing here no matter of the player🔥💯
When will they hold Pat Riley accountable?
I knew things were rough 2 years ago when Jimmy and Haslem were about to fight each during the playoffs that right there said it all
I didn’t think jimmy would start throwing on purpose, you have to trade now.
If you think about how the heat have looked some nights without jimmy, like vs Houston, adding fox to that would be kinda nice.
Miami gets: fox
Warriors get: jimmy
Kings get: kuminga and 2 first from warriors, 1 from heat, and cap guys like Wiggins / rozier.
Fr I thought he respected us enough to not do us like this but seems like it always about the money