Wait, so why was the WT E100 removed from the game? WT E100 (from Tanks.gg) Damage: 490/490/630 HP Penetration: 246/311/65 mm Rate of Fire: 4.55 r/m Damage Per Minute: 2311, Clip Damage: 2450 Accuracy: 0.28 Aim time: 1.5 s Clip Size: 5 for the 128mm, 2 s intra-reload Armor: Hull, 80/50/40 Turret 20/10/8 Minotauro (from Tanks.gg) Damage: 530/530/700 HP Penetration: 255/345/130 mm Rate of Fire: 5.45 r/m Damage Per Minute: 2890, Clip Damage: 2650 Accuracy: 0.42 Aim time: 2.21 s Clip Size: 5 Armor: Hull, 300/75/40 Turret 300/75/50
Th wt e100 was removed cause at the time, vehicle balance was more important than now, and tanks were generally weaker than now in all aspects (more imbalance), and people were complaining about them enough and at that time they cared more about the community's feedback compared to now.
Those stats have been changed a lot since the WT E-100 was in the tech tree. Back then it had 276 pen and 560 damage on the 128mm, and the hull armour was the same as a regular E-100. The first iteration even had 6 shells rather than 5.
@@АлександрАлександров-ь9э естественно замануха взял 7 го лвл первые 6-7 боёв добил опыта и перевёл и была сказка кидало меня к 7 лвл стабильно но сказка была не долгой и через 10-12 боёв уже кидает к 9 кам а мой танк не может с тт вообще их и пробить то ему дай бог свой уровень осилить, вроде пт должно орудие пробивное быть но не тут то было только 7 лвл макс 8 лвл и то голдой. 8-9 лвл иногда будет нагибать но при условии нормальной команды и если вражины будут подставляться а так без шансов.
Вливайте побольше доната а картошечка вам новых картинок нарисует. Скоро МС-1 сделают с фугасницей с пробитием 250 и уроном 2500 за выстрел. Копите деньги!
Want to beat one, don’t sit in front of it. Not even a fully traversable turret on this thing. I love how people are already crying that these tanks are OP 😂. Their sides and rears are paper thin to the point that a tier III Pz.1C could pen even the tier X. The people who cry that these tanks are OP are the ones who insist on only sitting in front of one 😂😂 Any light tank could eviscerate these tanks.
пИСЕЦ,Я ПОНЯЛ ЧТО В РУКАХ КИБЕР СПРТСМЕНОВ ЭТО ИМБА,В РУКАХ СТАТИСТОВ МОЖЕТ БЫТЬ НО ПОД ВОПРОСОМ ТАК КАК ОНИ В ОСНОВНОМ БУДУТ СТОЯТЬ ГДЕ ТО СЗАДИ И НАСТРЕЛИВАТЬ УРОН,КОРОЧЕ В РУКАХ СРЕДНЕГО ИГРОКА ОН НАХ НЕ НУЖЕН,ИГРАЙТЕ НА ТЕХ ТАНКАХ НА КОТОРЫХ УЖЕ ИМБУЕТЕ))))))
У тебя шифт запал ? Нахрен капсом орёшь ? Вечное нытье лошни о том что кто-то играет не как баран на убой как рузьге армия , навалиться половина сдохнет зато забор захватили и кота ранили .
This is far worse than WT E100. Pretty nice autoloading gun with crazy DPM and ridiculous armor. The WT E100 nowadays is just a joke. It gets spotted and gets clapped in 3 seconds.
так всегда и было, вспомни ветку чехословацких ТТ. Вазик просто лица сносил, а как только его куча народу вкачало, сразу нерфить негодяя. Сейчас стримеры статку набьют и понерфят, все же как всегда
А автор только тут причем, тебе никто не мешал свободку копить, экипаж качать готовить, чертежи откладывать, серебро накопить. Здесь кто успел того и тапки, остальные будут играть на понерфленном
Nerf to what lol- These things don’t even have fully traversable turrets (only 45 degrees and every tank before it has less and less), slow intra clip reloads, are paper thin on the sides and rear, engine decks are 20mm thick, any light tank or fast medium could completely take one out. They also have the traditional weak lower plates as well. You could literally park next to one and he can’t shoot you. They have three hatches and one is only 130mm thick. At a 45 degree approach, it’s front track wheel is only 75mm and will track and take full damage. So now there’s a tank that makes you think about how to take it out. Big deal. In two weeks everyone will have them figured out.
@@shadjohnsen8143 Yes, in a 15 V 1 battle, this thing won't stand a chance. In almost every other scenario, the fast medium that runs over the hill to park beside him will get evaporated by the TDs parked 400 m behind him. Parking next to a tank and slowly eating his HP away only works at the end of the game when there aren't many enemies left.
я один не понимаю как он фазу в пиксель попадал и пробивал? ахахах. это игра настолько конченная. уже в наглую подсказывает всем. что залеты обсолютно или рандомные или подрученные. и от собственных рук тут ничего не зависит вообще! но люди все равно продолжают хавать это гамно)))) дальше даже смотреть не стал. просто дерьмоа не видео.
I love how people are already crying that these tanks are OP 😂. Their sides and rears are paper thin to the point that a tier III Pz.1C could pen even the tier X. The people who cry that these tanks are OP are the ones who insist on only sitting in front of one 😂😂
The sides of the Minotouro are 75 mm thick, and the rear is 40 mm thick. So no, you can't pen it with a Panzer 1 C. The argument that "these tanks are only overpowered if you are stupid enough to sit in front of one" holds no water at all, since you could say the same about literally any vehicle in the game to deflect criticism away from it. The Tier X Chieftain is perfectly balanced if _that's_ your only metric. We will see how OP the Minotauro and its relatives are in a few months when enough time has passed to gather data on their winrates and average player wn8s. If those are found to be abnormally high, they *are* overpowered, regardless of what anyone else has to say about their personal experiences with them.
@@DovahFett I meant the Pz II G, sorry. My point was that these things don’t even have fully traversable turrets (only 45 degrees and every tank before it has less and less), slow intra clip reloads, are paper thin on the sides and rear, engine decks are 20mm thick, any light tank could completely take one out. They also have the traditional weak lower plates as well. You could literally park next to one and he can’t shoot you. They have three hatches and one is only 130mm thick. At a 45 degree approach, it’s front track wheel is only 75mm and will track and take full damage. So now there’s a tank that makes you think about how to take it out. Big deal. In two weeks everyone will have them figured out.
@@shadjohnsen8143 It's almost like you have to wait for the Mino to make a mistake to be able to do anything to it in a realistic game scenario, so what if the rear is even 1 mm thick if you cant see it, so what if a light can take it out? anything can take anything out in tiers +/- 2, if one is afk. But in real games, no light or med can take those engagement early or midgame unless the other player just drives into multiple crossfires or in some cases have mind numbingly low competence. and lower plate weakspot... have you ever heard of this thing that has been going on for years... called the hull down meta? you could park next to one and he cant hit you, but that's assuming they dont f*cking try turning, like a normal person with avg IQ would, especially if they have enough competence to get to t10. you can literally say that about the t110e3, "oh just flank it", which try flanking it by driving to his side or rear without getting shredded by the team behind them, and if they are by any means competent, they WILL go to a position where they can avoid being flanked. Contrary to popular belief, not all people who play wot are so brain dead as to have severe lacks of common sense. and now the hatches, they're like really flat, so if you think pixel sniping is fun... go for it, and bc they are so small, if the player angles the tanks just slightly, even 1 or 2 degs, you literally cannot see the cupola/hatch, and they don't get punished as much cause they have 10 degs of gun depression. you can track and do dmg at the same time... from the side, which goes to the same argument on flanking, and if the player knows their side is weak what do you think they're gonna do? not show their sides that's what they're going to do. Hull down cheiftain, or any ww2 tanks to modern tanks all have weaker sides and rears and roofs and bottoms, really makes one think eh? this tank doesn't "make you think", we know the places we can pen, but in a realistic game scenario, we cant get to the places where we can pen, bc the enemy player is actively trying to prevent it from happening. This isn't about just the italien tds, it's about how it compares to other tanks, cause you know, balance. you can put an m1a2 abrams into wot and i can use your arguments to justify it, oh 1500+ rha equivalent against heat on the turret, 600 against apfsds? oh and also lower plate effective 400 rha also. "but you can just flank it" is honestly just like saying to a homeless person to "just buy a house" and thinking that justifies it. It won't end in 2 weeks, we knew its armour layout before it was even released on the live servers, it will only get better when enough mediocre or bad players play it badly enough and often enough that it will be less a pain. You can try to justify it by saying oh just 2v1, or 3v1, or however many, which in some mm you will steamroll, of if in lategame you have enough advantage, but again, only in lategame can you exploit that, and then again it's not about if you can deal with the thing, or how, it is how it compares to deal with the mino vs dealing with a (insert turreted t10 assault td) like the t110e4. vs an e4, you can pen cupola, or load gold to pen cheeks if they're hull down, and the lower plate if they're in the open, and the sides, and the rear, and the roof in some cases (very rare, you have to be high above him, which you can do to the mino too but its rare, and if the e4 like the mino doesn't let himself get shit on from the hight ground he can still get shot in the cupola). now compare that to a mino, from the front, same lower plate, but no cupola and even with 420 heat you can only pen 33% of the turret and upper plate, vs the 80% of an e4 with the same round. and the e4 also has a semi traversable turret but you dont see people complaining about that. now take the badger with similar pen and what are the gun traverse arc? oh 15 deg left and right, 30 in total, a third of the mino, and the badger has similar armour, only thing being it gets penned 90% in the front by 420 heat... (330 effective, so 340 and 350 heat can go through too) even if you angle perfectly, with full 10 deg of gun depression there's still the round bit that can be penned (390 effective). they even have similar mobility, only thing is dpm and gun handling which the badger obv wins. But this is the next point, good armour can be more overpowered than good gun, why? bc against a good gun, if you can do dmg, you can win (take the prog 46, in a t6 i can pen it, so if hes on low hp i can kill it), but against good armour, you cant do dmg, so unless you can the enemy can just keep going (take the obj 252u defender, i cant pen his front at all in most t6s even with gold rounds, and neither can i pen his sides unless at more than 60 degs, and only at the tiny bit between the upper sponson and the tracks, and with t6 gun handling you know how hard it is especially at distance cause tou dont want to face a defender in a t6 in an direct engagement anyways. but even the defender has bigger cupolas than the mino.) so TL;DR, I think your arguments to justify the mino are daft.
i will assume that you must be one of those people who replies "just flank" whenever the discussion about the current hulldown meta comes up. in that case, mind you look at the current map pool and tell me how many percent of those are corridor and/or hulldown maps? also, remember how when the Kran first came out, it's thickly armored turret was only ever considered a novelty, and the tank as a whole weren't really taken seriously? fast forward until now, even after the buffs and nerfs to other aspects of the tank except it's turret armor, the thing has went from a mid pick at best - to being extremely competitive even in some of the most competitive game modes. guess what? because the meta shifted from speed to armor. because WG realized that with speed, people can flank, thus required less gold to be fired, hence they make less revenue. so they design more and more shitty maps that takes little brain cell to navigate, slowly but surely increasing the armor of tanks (especially turret armor) so that people won't realize the core problem isn't about gold rounds. no shit a tank has to be weak on some degree, otherwise this game wouldn't have lasted for over 10 years because making a tank with literally 300mm of armor all around would be extremely stupid, and WG is not (yet) that dumb. every game has it's meta; but it's one thing to have a stale meta, and it's another when not only the meta is already hard to counter to begin with AND you do everything in your power to prevent countering it.
5 rounde and full recharge in 20 sec xddddd balanced
6- rounde .Isn’t it?
That's crazy
Don't worry bro after 2 patches they need him 100%.
And 8 seconds between the shells so nothing special
Can minitour have manual clip like progetto?
Wait, so why was the WT E100 removed from the game?
WT E100 (from Tanks.gg)
Damage: 490/490/630 HP
Penetration: 246/311/65 mm
Rate of Fire: 4.55 r/m
Damage Per Minute: 2311, Clip Damage: 2450
Accuracy: 0.28
Aim time: 1.5 s
Clip Size: 5 for the 128mm, 2 s intra-reload
Armor: Hull, 80/50/40 Turret 20/10/8
Minotauro (from Tanks.gg)
Damage: 530/530/700 HP
Penetration: 255/345/130 mm
Rate of Fire: 5.45 r/m
Damage Per Minute: 2890, Clip Damage: 2650
Accuracy: 0.42
Aim time: 2.21 s
Clip Size: 5
Armor: Hull, 300/75/40 Turret 300/75/50
this new shit is more overpower than thet deleted shit, stupid wg
Uh...cause e100 had 2 sec intra clip and minotaur has 8...?
@@JohnLeeKoreanSeoul But the wt e100 has no armour and a giant turret while the mino has t95/fv4201 lvls of armour?
Th wt e100 was removed cause at the time, vehicle balance was more important than now, and tanks were generally weaker than now in all aspects (more imbalance), and people were complaining about them enough and at that time they cared more about the community's feedback compared to now.
Those stats have been changed a lot since the WT E-100 was in the tech tree. Back then it had 276 pen and 560 damage on the 128mm, and the hull armour was the same as a regular E-100. The first iteration even had 6 shells rather than 5.
That last guy should have moved when he bounced that first shot way before the Minotauro got in View range. GG
the whole TD line is OP
Yet another overpowered tank by WG to help the experienced ones..
Через месяцок понерфят, будет обычный дуршлаг
Meanwhile the Rinos are doing this guys job because they don't have the armor or dpm to compete. WG logic.
Just bring back the wt auf e100 at this point
Nice Play and nice tank👍
Супер бой 👍
Poor 121 at last
*Ракадные танчики с полоской ХэПэ. )))*
Не танк, а сказка. Бьет всех подряд в еле видимый пиксель, даже не сводясь полностью.
до следующей обновы)))) Потом ножницы и обрезка)
@@MrMateoriyvolk Это так, замануха. Выкачаешь его, да еще и бабки вкинешь чтоб побыстрее, а он хрен будет такой сказкой.
@@АлександрАлександров-ь9э естественно замануха взял 7 го лвл первые 6-7 боёв добил опыта и перевёл и была сказка кидало меня к 7 лвл стабильно но сказка была не долгой и через 10-12 боёв уже кидает к 9 кам а мой танк не может с тт вообще их и пробить то ему дай бог свой уровень осилить, вроде пт должно орудие пробивное быть но не тут то было только 7 лвл макс 8 лвл и то голдой. 8-9 лвл иногда будет нагибать но при условии нормальной команды и если вражины будут подставляться а так без шансов.
@@Alexandr6879 Оно так есть.
Wargaming has truly created a ridiculous tank
Jogo de teste esse por que nunca vi esse no jogo, Proto do Chefe FV4201
一个用ap的121，还不知道赶紧跑远点绕。
最後關頭還省金彈，121真的是noob
可能没见过这车
Wtf is that chieftain proto at 6:10
Tremenda batalla
Вливайте побольше доната а картошечка вам новых картинок нарисует. Скоро МС-1 сделают с фугасницей с пробитием 250 и уроном 2500 за выстрел. Копите деньги!
Уже не картошка =)
@@Andrey_Kor Можно подумать от этого пропало у них желание побольше хапнуть и поменьше сделать...
@@СергейБыстрый-у2е Надеюсь хуже не сделают. Россгеймдев славится превращением игр в донатные помойки.
@@Andrey_Kor да пофигу. Я прекратил портить свои нервы с этой игрулькой. Просто смотрю бои и стримеров иногда.
какой же минотавр все таки имбовый
blitz te oynarken çok çıkıyor karşıma ama on zirhi orada çok güçlü delinmiyor 400mm zirh delici bile alt kısmı delmiyo
После WT, WoT кажется игрой в танки для детей)
а где же рубрика как играть на Minotauro?
BEAST
Because they want to move to next game and abandon WOT, adding this line speeds up this process.
whoever uses this contributes to killing the game
You can't kill a dead game.
@Ahmad Baihaqi Mat Zahari Tell me when they didn't want to make money... -_-
Want to beat one, don’t sit in front of it. Not even a fully traversable turret on this thing. I love how people are already crying that these tanks are OP 😂. Their sides and rears are paper thin to the point that a tier III Pz.1C could pen even the tier X. The people who cry that these tanks are OP are the ones who insist on only sitting in front of one 😂😂 Any light tank could eviscerate these tanks.
@@shadjohnsen8143 jokes on you buddy
"Dont sit in front of it 🤡"
Bruh even if there were no corridor-like maps...
Torre poderia virar mais!
How do you get this tank?
Its tech tree
пИСЕЦ,Я ПОНЯЛ ЧТО В РУКАХ КИБЕР СПРТСМЕНОВ ЭТО ИМБА,В РУКАХ СТАТИСТОВ МОЖЕТ БЫТЬ НО ПОД ВОПРОСОМ ТАК КАК ОНИ В ОСНОВНОМ БУДУТ СТОЯТЬ ГДЕ ТО СЗАДИ И НАСТРЕЛИВАТЬ УРОН,КОРОЧЕ В РУКАХ СРЕДНЕГО ИГРОКА ОН НАХ НЕ НУЖЕН,ИГРАЙТЕ НА ТЕХ ТАНКАХ НА КОТОРЫХ УЖЕ ИМБУЕТЕ))))))
У тебя шифт запал ? Нахрен капсом орёшь ?
Вечное нытье лошни о том что кто-то играет не как баран на убой как рузьге армия , навалиться половина сдохнет зато забор захватили и кота ранили .
op tank... nurf plz...
Que tank é esse
This is far worse than WT E100. Pretty nice autoloading gun with crazy DPM and ridiculous armor. The WT E100 nowadays is just a joke. It gets spotted and gets clapped in 3 seconds.
Nice 👍
Andiamo😍👍
Я на нём только фугасами жёско ебашу
1:07. WTF. RNG???
This tank it’s op of tier VIII. How I can ding a tier 8 in the down front ?
я лично леопардом 9-ки его разберу,а если не хватит то и лео -1
Мен бүгін мына новинкилардың біраз ін тестім го!
больно смотреть как играет автор боя
отличный бой но на голде в трубу вылетит на этой пт
Вот из за таких игроков всю ветку и понерфят и когда народ с нуля её вкачает это будет шлак полнейший
так всегда и было, вспомни ветку чехословацких ТТ. Вазик просто лица сносил, а как только его куча народу вкачало, сразу нерфить негодяя. Сейчас стримеры статку набьют и понерфят, все же как всегда
А автор только тут причем, тебе никто не мешал свободку копить, экипаж качать готовить, чертежи откладывать, серебро накопить. Здесь кто успел того и тапки, остальные будут играть на понерфленном
Красавец! +!
и за все это всего то 1600 опыта насыпали. мда.
Brutally
Как стаёт на душе приятно когда убивают крысу на захвате базы.
특이점은 온다
Четко есть же, по русский
3:29 землято пробито
We really don't need another buls**t in this broken game 👎 WG is goup of...
игрок от ворлд подкрученные параметры под него
Nerf this tank
Nerf to what lol- These things don’t even have fully traversable turrets (only 45 degrees and every tank before it has less and less), slow intra clip reloads, are paper thin on the sides and rear, engine decks are 20mm thick, any light tank or fast medium could completely take one out. They also have the traditional weak lower plates as well.
You could literally park next to one and he can’t shoot you. They have three hatches and one is only 130mm thick. At a 45 degree approach, it’s front track wheel is only 75mm and will track and take full damage.
So now there’s a tank that makes you think about how to take it out. Big deal.
In two weeks everyone will have them figured out.
@@shadjohnsen8143 Yes, in a 15 V 1 battle, this thing won't stand a chance. In almost every other scenario, the fast medium that runs over the hill to park beside him will get evaporated by the TDs parked 400 m behind him. Parking next to a tank and slowly eating his HP away only works at the end of the game when there aren't many enemies left.
เออได้เติมหรือเปล่าครับมุมกดเท่าไหร่ครับ
1 OP armor
2.noobs on enemy
3. no arty
4. 9 tiers
battle not super skill this is RNG batle....
Joke rules: u pay: earned easy cow hunted GJ GG
В эту сказочную парашу кто-то ещë играет? 🤣
Чат чтоль вернули,удалил игру пока его не вернут
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its all a fix anyways
я один не понимаю как он фазу в пиксель попадал и пробивал? ахахах. это игра настолько конченная. уже в наглую подсказывает всем. что залеты обсолютно или рандомные или подрученные. и от собственных рук тут ничего не зависит вообще! но люди все равно продолжают хавать это гамно)))) дальше даже смотреть не стал. просто дерьмоа не видео.
фигня . донатер на голде . показуха и тока. каждый бой по 10к дамаги вваливать не будеш. И без голды не пробьеш.
раки против...
🇺🇿👊
реклама для пресс аков....да да презер презер.....
Очередной обман от wt
Dont play this sheet with his +-25% , there is a looot more beter games then " this ".
This is awful.. it gets more and more broken
I love how people are already crying that these tanks are OP 😂. Their sides and rears are paper thin to the point that a tier III Pz.1C could pen even the tier X. The people who cry that these tanks are OP are the ones who insist on only sitting in front of one 😂😂
The sides of the Minotouro are 75 mm thick, and the rear is 40 mm thick. So no, you can't pen it with a Panzer 1 C. The argument that "these tanks are only overpowered if you are stupid enough to sit in front of one" holds no water at all, since you could say the same about literally any vehicle in the game to deflect criticism away from it. The Tier X Chieftain is perfectly balanced if _that's_ your only metric. We will see how OP the Minotauro and its relatives are in a few months when enough time has passed to gather data on their winrates and average player wn8s. If those are found to be abnormally high, they *are* overpowered, regardless of what anyone else has to say about their personal experiences with them.
@@DovahFett I meant the Pz II G, sorry. My point was that these things don’t even have fully traversable turrets (only 45 degrees and every tank before it has less and less), slow intra clip reloads, are paper thin on the sides and rear, engine decks are 20mm thick, any light tank could completely take one out. They also have the traditional weak lower plates as well.
You could literally park next to one and he can’t shoot you. They have three hatches and one is only 130mm thick. At a 45 degree approach, it’s front track wheel is only 75mm and will track and take full damage.
So now there’s a tank that makes you think about how to take it out. Big deal.
In two weeks everyone will have them figured out.
@@shadjohnsen8143 It's almost like you have to wait for the Mino to make a mistake to be able to do anything to it in a realistic game scenario, so what if the rear is even 1 mm thick if you cant see it, so what if a light can take it out? anything can take anything out in tiers +/- 2, if one is afk. But in real games, no light or med can take those engagement early or midgame unless the other player just drives into multiple crossfires or in some cases have mind numbingly low competence. and lower plate weakspot... have you ever heard of this thing that has been going on for years... called the hull down meta? you could park next to one and he cant hit you, but that's assuming they dont f*cking try turning, like a normal person with avg IQ would, especially if they have enough competence to get to t10. you can literally say that about the t110e3, "oh just flank it", which try flanking it by driving to his side or rear without getting shredded by the team behind them, and if they are by any means competent, they WILL go to a position where they can avoid being flanked. Contrary to popular belief, not all people who play wot are so brain dead as to have severe lacks of common sense. and now the hatches, they're like really flat, so if you think pixel sniping is fun... go for it, and bc they are so small, if the player angles the tanks just slightly, even 1 or 2 degs, you literally cannot see the cupola/hatch, and they don't get punished as much cause they have 10 degs of gun depression. you can track and do dmg at the same time... from the side, which goes to the same argument on flanking, and if the player knows their side is weak what do you think they're gonna do? not show their sides that's what they're going to do. Hull down cheiftain, or any ww2 tanks to modern tanks all have weaker sides and rears and roofs and bottoms, really makes one think eh? this tank doesn't "make you think", we know the places we can pen, but in a realistic game scenario, we cant get to the places where we can pen, bc the enemy player is actively trying to prevent it from happening. This isn't about just the italien tds, it's about how it compares to other tanks, cause you know, balance. you can put an m1a2 abrams into wot and i can use your arguments to justify it, oh 1500+ rha equivalent against heat on the turret, 600 against apfsds? oh and also lower plate effective 400 rha also. "but you can just flank it" is honestly just like saying to a homeless person to "just buy a house" and thinking that justifies it. It won't end in 2 weeks, we knew its armour layout before it was even released on the live servers, it will only get better when enough mediocre or bad players play it badly enough and often enough that it will be less a pain. You can try to justify it by saying oh just 2v1, or 3v1, or however many, which in some mm you will steamroll, of if in lategame you have enough advantage, but again, only in lategame can you exploit that, and then again it's not about if you can deal with the thing, or how, it is how it compares to deal with the mino vs dealing with a (insert turreted t10 assault td) like the t110e4. vs an e4, you can pen cupola, or load gold to pen cheeks if they're hull down, and the lower plate if they're in the open, and the sides, and the rear, and the roof in some cases (very rare, you have to be high above him, which you can do to the mino too but its rare, and if the e4 like the mino doesn't let himself get shit on from the hight ground he can still get shot in the cupola). now compare that to a mino, from the front, same lower plate, but no cupola and even with 420 heat you can only pen 33% of the turret and upper plate, vs the 80% of an e4 with the same round. and the e4 also has a semi traversable turret but you dont see people complaining about that. now take the badger with similar pen and what are the gun traverse arc? oh 15 deg left and right, 30 in total, a third of the mino, and the badger has similar armour, only thing being it gets penned 90% in the front by 420 heat... (330 effective, so 340 and 350 heat can go through too) even if you angle perfectly, with full 10 deg of gun depression there's still the round bit that can be penned (390 effective). they even have similar mobility, only thing is dpm and gun handling which the badger obv wins. But this is the next point, good armour can be more overpowered than good gun, why? bc against a good gun, if you can do dmg, you can win (take the prog 46, in a t6 i can pen it, so if hes on low hp i can kill it), but against good armour, you cant do dmg, so unless you can the enemy can just keep going (take the obj 252u defender, i cant pen his front at all in most t6s even with gold rounds, and neither can i pen his sides unless at more than 60 degs, and only at the tiny bit between the upper sponson and the tracks, and with t6 gun handling you know how hard it is especially at distance cause tou dont want to face a defender in a t6 in an direct engagement anyways. but even the defender has bigger cupolas than the mino.)
so TL;DR, I think your arguments to justify the mino are daft.
i will assume that you must be one of those people who replies "just flank" whenever the discussion about the current hulldown meta comes up.
in that case, mind you look at the current map pool and tell me how many percent of those are corridor and/or hulldown maps?
also, remember how when the Kran first came out, it's thickly armored turret was only ever considered a novelty, and the tank as a whole weren't really taken seriously? fast forward until now, even after the buffs and nerfs to other aspects of the tank except it's turret armor, the thing has went from a mid pick at best - to being extremely competitive even in some of the most competitive game modes.
guess what? because the meta shifted from speed to armor. because WG realized that with speed, people can flank, thus required less gold to be fired, hence they make less revenue. so they design more and more shitty maps that takes little brain cell to navigate, slowly but surely increasing the armor of tanks (especially turret armor) so that people won't realize the core problem isn't about gold rounds. no shit a tank has to be weak on some degree, otherwise this game wouldn't have lasted for over 10 years because making a tank with literally 300mm of armor all around would be extremely stupid, and WG is not (yet) that dumb. every game has it's meta; but it's one thing to have a stale meta, and it's another when not only the meta is already hard to counter to begin with AND you do everything in your power to prevent countering it.
@@stalcher1699 meh, killed two of them yesterday with my T95 so…