From 10 To 100 Pages, How I Wrote A D&D Adventure! [Ep. 13]
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- I wrote an adventure for DnD 5e - really, it’s usable for any tabletop rpg - and this is how the project came to fruition. 💥More below!⬇
I started out just wanting to write down some notes for starting a new group of players. And then it just kept growing. It occurred to me that I was doing a ton of work I didn’t really need to and I thought, hmm, maybe I should just go all the way and try to make a publishable product. What started in my head as a 10 or 15 page one or two session adventure now clocks in at 108 pages and if played a certain way is basically a mini-campaign!
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From the non-existent dungeon master's compendium:
1) Def. *Fruit-ition:* (n) The ability to tell the immediate future by examining the seeds of a fruit. Why only the "immediate future"? Which fruit? If you can make that work with *any* fruit seed, you get a +20 on every spell cast for the rest of your career as a "professional nerd"
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2) Def. *In Medias Res:* (adverb) If you don't already know this definition, then you deserve to start your adventure unarmed, naked and on the run from an angry *posse comitatus!*
🤣 well put, well put!
$2.99 is way too low for that size adventure, IMO. If you want ppl to just get it/use it/spread the word than do Pay What You Want. My two cents. It sounds cool!
Good idea!
That’s a good idea. I was going to say that I’d pay more, especially for your first work, but Pay What You Want is a great idea.
From what I have seen 'Pay what you want' allows for the author to set a 'suggested price' so PWYW with a suggested price of $2.99 might be the ideal way forward - most of us will pay the $2.99 and the 'showed up in my suggested items' feed folks may just spread the module around a bit as well
Charge 5 bucks! You deserve it and you did all the work.
I can't wait for it to come out!
🤙🏴☠️🍻 (How bad is it to get a reply in all emojis lol? My apologies!)
@@tabletopalchemy it is
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I too agree a $4.99 price tag would be solid and give a good price point for sale events. Also you dont want the product to be too low or it might drive off customers.
I would hold off on branding anything D&D.
The new ogl 1.1 leak is pretty scary.
This is true - that’s why I just want this one under the current 1.0a - this was basically the kick I needed to get myself to finish it lol.
Great now I have pyramid-conspiracies in my suggestions. That's going to seep through into my dnd campaign down the line in half a year.
Lol yer welcome *tip o’ the hat*
$4.99. 108 pages of self-contained content you've described... definitely worth $4.99
I love the intro. Having the PCs survive a shipwreck is a good way of throwing disparate characters together. It could be a pirate attack or a full scale naval battle. You can also strip them of most of their gear - players hate this. I once started a Traveller adventure (Traveller is The classic sci-fi RPG) by crashing everyone onto a mediaeval planet. It could have been great, though I should have prepared three ways off not just one 😁. Unfortunately, one of the players complained so much that it killed the game. In hindsight, he ruined a few of my games. Players eh?
Group dynamics are what make or break maybe all endeavors lol. Yeah I thought about the gear thing so I put in there a note about mitigating that loss of gear if the DM so chooses. Waxed leather bags and cases, etc - not realistic but u know, it’s dnd lol.
@@tabletopalchemy in Gulliver's Travels, our eponymous hero somehow keeps his powder dry thanks to tight pockets on his tight leather waistcoat (vest). If it's good enough for Swift.
I'd be very tempted to strip the PCs of most stuff, but I like resource management in games. How heavy is a spell book? Do they use waterproof ink?
Would I spend 2-20$ for a short, clever dnd adventure? Absolutely yes. Do I care about small mistakes, no absolutely not one bit.
What matters is that it's clever and intriguing for my players, quick to read through for me when prepping. You have the great advantage of having a TH-cam channel where you make clever and intriguing videos, so I'm already convinced this could be useful :)
Lol - I suppose we’ll see when it’s out. I’m sure I’ll learn a lot from feedback ☠️ 🍻
Absolutely love the chaotic energy here! Also the enthusiasm and the food for thought process. Thank you!
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Fruition sounds like fruit because it is. The fruit of your plans/effort/etc.
I guess that’s a big “duh” lol no surprise I didn’t put two and two together
Looking forward to seeing the final product! Regarding cost, I have a 14 page conversion document for one of the classic d&d modules that I sell for $2, so you could probably charge more for your adventure. That said, orders pick up whenever it's on sale. And you have a marketing path through this channel which may increase sales volume and make it worthwhile to sell at lower price.
Lastly - I need to know why the quicksand doesn't fall out the bottom of the pit... 😜
The sale price notion is a good one I never thought of! Lol the bottom of the quicksand detail has always bothered me - I got around it by describing a mesh of jungle roots and fibers - you know, i glossed over it as any good salesman would 😉
i hope hasbro/woc's new ogl won't throw any wrenches into your plans as this sound really cool!
Not for this one but for my next one I will probly go system agnostic
Honestly sounds great. Id say $4.99. Is a great price. 108 pages. Five bucks not bad. Can’t wait to see it.
For your amount of work I would recommend $5 - 10. You can always reduce the cost in the future but it sounds like you did a ton of work and you should be compensated appropriately for the work.
Yes! I would pay even more than that for such a detailed adventure.
That’s encouraging to hear, thank you! (I won’t be charging more tho don’t worry lol!)
Oh I was just watching your video on Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell! What neat timing
This channel is so good, and a welcome addition to my TTRPG must watch library. Great work, sir!
Excellent, much appreciated!
I love the word fruition. I first came across it in Sting's lyrics to Wrapped Around Your Finger in the 80s. I use it every chance I get.
Lol I dig that song too! Totally forgot that word was in there.
That Kushiel's Dart reference though... I see you :D P.S. Tropes and Clichés are not inherently bad, only what one does with them can be. the story stars very similarly to intro to Neverwinter online and New world, but it definitely goes in some fascinating directions and your going over your process of developing the story was fantastic.
Lol I wonder how many will get that KD reference. Glad u liked the vid, much appreciated 🍻
@@tabletopalchemy this is honestly the first time since I first read the books that I saw anyone in a wild that was familiar with them, outside of very specific communities :D probably more people know of Hellraiser though, especially with the recent reboot
Probly true lol
You were not alone in giggling at the reference.
This is awesome! Can’t wait to read it!
My tip for starting out a campaign particularly if you are going to drop the players in the middle of the action is to have the players establish preexisting relationships between their character and 1-2 other characters as part of the character creation process. Relationships can be work, family, romance, friendships or rivalries.
Yep this can work great.
I agree that this is a good approach. I've long wanted the players to choose to be a family of travelling performers or the like, but they have to arrive at this themselves.
My current thinking is to offer the players choice of the type of campaign: heroic, roguish etc. If they want to be ne'er-do-wells (is that where nerd comes from?) then one option is to have them start as passengers on a ship heading toward a notorious port; its name a byword for criminality. They can introduce themselves during session 0 as they won't be friends, but they will have been cooped up together for weeks. An NPC will tell them that a local boss is always looking for ambitious people - and that's their introduction. They can do hat they wish, but the boss will provide a set of simple steps into the underworld.
@davidmorgan6896 I like this origin of the word “nerd” lol!
My man, you are quickly turning into one of my favorite ttrpg TH-camrs! As far as your adventure is concerned, being an avid almost Zealous customer of Drivethrurpg who has given way too much of my money to OneShelf over the last decade I would definitely pay more for your adventure, at least $5.99 even more if you released a system agnostic version or even designed it for multiple systems like a d100/BRP version, a Savage Worlds version, a DCC version etc… With all of the stuff going on with the new OGL and WotC, I would avoid putting out anything under the current OGL, at least for the time being.
Do you mind if I use your Glistermoss idea for my own game?
Awesome thank you! Glad u like the content. I’ve always thought adventure modules can work independently of game system and this will probably be my approach in the future. And glistermoss can be found *everywhere* dontcha know? 😉
Your videos are GREAT.
I could listen to you read the phone book.
So glad you share the whole thought process with us.
Awesome, that’s super cool to hear lol 🙏🏼🍻
Dude-I love your enthusiasm and energy.
Thanks lol!
Wow, Ignatius, there is so much gold here. Looking forward to buying a copy of your module as soon as it's released.
Awesome thank you!
imr is a great way for a group of players to start a new game. Use "campfire sessions" and other in-character exposition and appearance to allow the characters to reveal facets of their characters to each other organically.
Fantasy gaming runs on tropes, think of them as handrails!
I don't think that channelling players into the adventure with things like traps, encounters, and roleplaying really counts as "railroading". Railroading is usually about not allowing characters *any* meaningful choices, but some of that is pretty much de rigueur to get an adventure up and running, otherwise the players will just wander aimlessly and get bored (unless your players are all into improv.)
Your title sounds super-awesome! You are the master! lol
Ah very true about the railroading. Lol and thanks!
@@tabletopalchemy I forgot to say that I really enjoy your presentation and style in these videos. Top notch stuff and great ideas!
Well that’s much appreciated, thank you!
So much gold here... I leveled up, thanks man! First $3-5, I'd pay $5, 4.99... Second, thank you so much for thinking about the layout! Kelsey's adventures and layouts are fantastic. Last night (Saturday, 1/7) I ran Mork Borg's Rotblack Sludge and it's adventure layout is very similar. Very easy to use... again thank you! As a newer DM myself this has been something that I wish more folks would pay attention to and give more consideration. I've also gotten great inspiration from ICRPG, Index Card RPG by Runehammer Games and Blades in the Dark by John Harper... speaking of In Medias Res, you should check those systems out if you haven't already.
Forgot one thing... Gobekli Tepe... check that out!
Right on! Gobleki Tepe! Yep I find that site pretty interesting - and the LIDAR Amazon jungle surveys. ICRPG and Runehammer are awesome - I’ve got links to some of Hankerin’s material in Mystfin Isle too lol! 🤙🏴☠️🍻
I haven’t played D&D in a very long time but I’d definitely buy your campaign just to read it. It seems interesting.
Okay, second video, and I'm enjoying your style and content, and am now looking forward to buying Mistfin Isle.
Very cool, thank u!
Nice glimpse into your creative process. I think at 3,99 this looks like a pretty good deal for anybody. The production values are through the roof, even though personally I'm still not decided how I feel about AI-generated art in general, this looks like a pretty neat package!
Awesome, thanks! Yeah AI generated … stuff (cause it’s a lot more than art now lol) is a whole video for sure. I experienced the “democratization” of filmmaking during the advent of digital filmmaking tools so I have that perspective to draw on. And while I have a lot of artist friends, I think we’re all on some kind of chopping block lol - but I also think … well, maybe I’ll do an episode about my own thoughts on it but it’s pretty polarizing right now lol.
I play board games with a couple of your D&D players, and it sounds like they are having a blast in your campaign. Keep up the great work!
Oh lol right on! I’ve heard about the famous board game night too! 🤙
This is great, I really think this is good world building advice outside the context of D&D too. I write short stories as a past time, and what you're talking about makes me want to loosen up my approach to world building in a way that feels fresh and exciting. Also, I'd never heard of the granite boxes before, the links you posted are my next watch. Keep up the great work
Awesome! One day I’m going to do a video about how non tabletop hobby writers can be inspired and use similar tools from the hobby! Or something like that lol
It's a very interesting and fun way to start out an adventure. The usual everyone is at the Inn and just hanging out when somebody storms in needing help. Or looking over the town message board. I'm not a huge fan of being on a boat or hanging out on some Island. It does sound like something one of my Rangers would be perfect for. Somewhere in my fx files I should have some rushing water sounds and maybe some wood smashing sounds and mood music. I don't DM often but I love to set a mood when I get the players into action. When I started gaming. I used a small tape player. Now I can use a computer and Adobe Audition.
Totally! There are a couple sites I use too that have sorta thematic loopable ambient tracks - I use tabletopaudio.com quite a bit because u can save playlists
@@tabletopalchemy I will have to take a look at that. Thanks for the idea.
I am glad to have found this channel. This is a great story. I am an old DM and have written a few adventures which are a bit mediocre, but everyone had fun so it’s all good. I love to make maps and have been doing it for years starting with campaign cartographer, now I use a number of tools, though I have heard of inkarnate I haven’t tried it yet. I love finding people who operate on a similar wavelength. I will probably grab the adventure when you have it up, I am really interested in seeing how those concepts came together. Great video, again, love the channel.
Awesome! Yep you nailed it: the only real gauge is if the players have a good time lol. Glad u liked the vid! 🍻
its my turn to DM after the current campaign my group is in finishes up and this campaign sounds super fun, especially since i will in fact be a first time DM. but the current campaign just started so I'm in no hurry. please do keep us posted about this, id gladly throw a few ducats your way on whatever site you publish on. keep up the great content!!!
Awesome, thanks! And best of luck when your turn comes up!
Wow! you have started something inside.....I feel it ! I can do it to!
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Great story. I'll keep an eye out for when you publish. I love the way you speak. It's so relatable. Just a dude doing his thing and sharing some knowledge.
Awesome, glad u like the deliver (only one I got lol) 🍻
Well the first book was just there when I ran out of books at the house. I got no excuse for reading the second and third books though.
Lol
Nice. When you have the adventure posted for sale I'll definitely buy it. It's worth it just for engaging in the process. You said two or three bucks, anything five or under is fine with me.
Awesome!
This sounds like an amazing adventure! Kudos!
This is great fun. I hope you keep going. Every time I watch an episode, it makes me want to create in one form or another. Thanks!
That’s super cool to hear! 🍻
11:07 Yes its fun! Honestly its good story can't wait for realese definitly ll buy it
Very cool insight to your creation process. Thanks much! Let us know when and where your adventure drops.
Will do!
Ignatius, as usual, you have made a masterpiece video that inspires me. I had a follow up adventure written that I was totally not happy with. This video gave me some solid advice and ideas (particularly the 'give players more than one option' tip). Thank you! Also, have you published your adventure (and can you give me a link where to procure it)?
Excellent! And that wasn’t even my tip lol! It’s not released yet, but very soon and I’ll def let folks know thru the channel when it drops. 🍻
Damn the torpedoes dude, full speed ahead!! If you can avoid the whole emerging OGL fiasco, even better. Look fwd to purchasing your first adventure, altho I think you missed out by not adding “lost”, “hidden”, or “forbidden” to the title of your adventure as that would boost the cliché factor up a notch, but well done sir. Well done.
Dammit you’re right! Failed to add cliche to the title … I’m terrible at what I do lol. 😂 good one! 🍻
So I havnt played in years but I'd buy this just because the work you put into it and I want to hear the story.
Nice! It’s very close to being posted 🤞
Bear minimum, $5; but if I was still playing 5e (moved onto Pathfinder 2e) I would gladly pay $10+ for 100 pages.
Question is how many of those pages are actually being included in the price lol. You can tell I’m confident!
Sounds like a cool adventure! You should get at least 5 dollars for it
ARRRGGGGG! We love pirates!
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Great and good luck
Fun stuff! Make gaming exciting again!
awesome fucking video. I needed some inspiration and your timing was perfect. Looking forward to your campaign.
Right on, hard to beat good timing lol!
Great video as always. If I like something a dollar difference is not going to stop me from buying it. So if you are thinking 2.99 go to 3.99 or 4.99.
I can feel that logic - I don’t know if my confidence does lol. But we’ll see, I’m sure I’m gonna learn quite a bit, I’m prepping my constructive criticism receiving mechanism. 😎
Great imagination. I think in the range of $10-$15 would be appropriate for the amount of game you are providing. I am interested.
Whew them’s some big numbers lol - I have no confidence to go that high but hey it’s all a learning experience at the very least! 🤙
My work has slowed down so they're starting a work share program which is basically one day off a week that the state pays for. My plan was to use that time to work for myself for eight hours a week polishing up some of my own homebrew content for release online, but now with the OGL1.1 I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
That’s a great plan - even if you decide not to roll with those particular projects you could certainly do something cool with that time. You’ve got another year I think before 1.1 kicks in so there’s that. And there’s always system agnostic formulations - personally I think adventure modules can always work independently of specific rule sets but who knows?
@@tabletopalchemy well the scuttlebut is that I'd only have until January 13th unless they decide not to release 1.1 now
Ah yes but I think there are going to be legal challenges to whether or not they can actually revoke v1.0a as pertaining to 5e … but I suppose we’ll know soon sheesh.
We're definitely on the same wavelength re:maps, they just have a way of making you think about things that you wouldn't otherwise which is a great way to get the inspiration flowing.
Totally 🍻
Who doesn't love that moment when you look at any given map, and suddenly there's this little firework of ideas going off of what could be found at those places...
@@DerBomster Yeah, even just taking a glance at a randomly generated map you start asking yourself 'Why is that there?' or 'Why is this the way it is?' or 'What implications would this have?' and then answering those questions creates story.
Great job! Great channel
Thanks!
I will buy this for 3,99 for sure.
I'll buy it. I'll have to convert it to Pathfinder 2ndvEdition, but I'll buy it. Good luck! I don't think that $3.99 is too much.
Much appreciated! Maybe if u do pick it up you can let me know how much of a pain it is to work with in another system. For me it wouldn’t be too big of a deal cause I’m used to just sorta making stuff up on the fly but I know that isn’t how everyone works lol.
I'm excited to buy your adventure! I don't know if you can do this, but I wish adventures had the stat block for a monster actually on the page you need it and not just in the back of the adventure! Or maybe on every page a small like 5 blank lines where the DM can add any small notes for that page of the adventure.
I totally understand what u mean about the stat blocks. I did that where I could but generally I had to go with a “creature index” because like for example generic pirates could show up in so many different areas. For that reason I built in a hot link system that lets you click back and forth between pages and the table of contents works like a link hub. In actual use I’ve found it fairly decent to work with. The notes area is a good idea too - this adventure will only be available in digital formats for now, I haven’t figured out the printable options yet 😬
@@tabletopalchemy Glad the links are there for people that use it digitally! :D I guess I'm old school and like to print out the adventures I buy and then bind them.
Ah! Would u print it no matter the page count? I am debating creating a black and white version
@@tabletopalchemy I would :D not sure if others would (I have a large color printer I bought just for D&D). Is there an option for print on demand?
Wow full color that’s awesome. I think there is a way to do print on demand but that again is black and white (aside from the cover) and it’s a whole separate design process - which I might have done had I not grew the project like I did (in other words, if I’d set out to do a printed project from the beginning lol - I was only thinking about running something for myself off my tablet, sigh). All lesson-learning at this point!
Pirates 'r us. Quicksand's never fun. Trust me, I've got real life experience. Cliches? Neh, just gigo. People need recognition, and then you f-up their preconceived ideas. (Insert jolly roger here). Happy New Year, Captain Blunt signing off.
I’ve never heard a first hand account of quicksand lol I imagine it’s way more terrifying than we think. Kinda like getting caught in an ocean undertow maybe, that one I have experienced and it’s way scarier irl lol. ☠️🏴☠️
@@tabletopalchemy I've experienced ocean undertow as well, and ever since I've stayed on the shallow end. All of a sudden a human realizes how puny we really are. It's hard not to panic in quicksand and at the same time panicking is the surest way of dieing. ☠️
"I don't believe in ancient aliens" - knows all the most popular issues aa is based around. *L Some day we should have a drink together. :)
Lol absolutely! 🍻 (👽)
I love Inkarnate. It's a wonderful program for mapping. It's a great program and so easy to use.
I'm no expert. But from what you describe and the number of pages of the module. I'd say 3.99 is too little. This easily sounds like at least a 9.99 or maybe even up to 15. But I am not a 5E player so maybe what I am suggesting is too high? Anyways, I am thinking at least about 6.99 maybe up to 9.99 or even about up to 15. (14.99).
Truly is!
I will definitely buy this ! As you are selling via drivethrurpg anyway, have you considered making it available as a POD (Print On Demand) ? This looks like it would make an excellent softcover but I am unsure how much extra work (typesetting, margins, art quality etc) would be required for an unknown number of additional sales..
Looking forward to reading ( and hopefully running) this .
Awesome! I have not even looked into the PoD thing, I hadn’t ever considered it’d be worth it. I don’t even have a black and white version yet lol but you’re right about there being a whole separate design and layout phase. So for now I’ll just be releasing a full color digital file (epub and pdf).
Do your homework with the OGL and where the future of that is going with Hasbro. Seems there might be some dark clouds on the horizon.
If I was heading out on a journey like you are embarking on, I would keep things generic and outside the realm of D&D. Keep it table top rpg agnostic and outside the reach of corporate mages.
It's nice to keep your work yours.
I’ve heard the rumblings for sure and that’s kinda what kicked me in the pants to get this one done. I’m thinking along your lines for future forays into the publishing world. 🏴☠️
@@tabletopalchemy I'll give you a quote from the legend himself.
"The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules." | Gary Gygax
Rules Agnostic. "It is the way."
Honestly that’s kinda how I play lol I look for rules as a last resort. But that does freak some folks out 🏴☠️
@@tabletopalchemy Be the Mighty Oz and keep it behind the curtain. They'll never know. 🤣
Want the shiny book
mONEy
D&D
Yeah I like this new logo lol
I'm sure you will get to the OGL etc shortly, but I would really, really hope that if this is not published yet in any format, you make this system agnostic my good Ignatius before going to DTRPG. I got off the WOTC train when 4.0 came about (and cashed out on M:TG earlier and went back to V:TES).
WOTC deserves nothing from it's player base, and even less from the people who have invested time and money into making D&D the "it" game it is now.
Let's see roleplaying GAMES come back, time for Prometheus to stop being sacrificed for the edification of Zeus/WOTC
Wotc may end up forcing that exact change on themselves lol - I do think going forward I’ll be having this system-agnostic thought in mind. “Miniatures agnostic” is a regular term in the wargame space, why not “system agnostic” in the rpg space!
@@tabletopalchemy I think for adventures and settings etc, agnostic will be the way to go forward for all content creators (with heavy use of trademarking for names. In fact, while I am no lawyer I would STRONGLY recommend anyone who has created stuff for D&D to trademark thier fantasy names where possible)
What I really hope though is that we get a resurgence of choice in systems again.
Very good point! I hope the same as well.
Fishmen... *does he know how to pronounce "Sahuagin" ? did he skip it to avoid copy write issues? *LOL*
I actually don’t know how to pronounce it … so fishmen it is 😉lol
@@tabletopalchemy My bane are D&D module proper names. Lord Tsilimabane. WHY TSR, WHY??
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$2.99 means what, $1.50 goes to WOTC? Is there anywhere else you can publish it instead..?
I don’t think it matters where it’s published, if using the wotc license wotc will get what it wants lol. I think we’re currently waiting to see what their new license actually is going to do.
@@tabletopalchemy Yeah, as far as the new GSL.... We'll see if they rethink things, but leaks make the current iteration sound pretty horrible, and like nobody is going to want to produce any third party D&D anymore because they basically have to just give it all to WOTC. We'll see. I'm not too optimistic at this point, but there are always other systems, too.
Agreed - the game system itself really doesn’t matter too much to me, I just like coming up with scenarios I think
$2.99 or $3.99 is way too low of a price point. DnD Adventurers League modules run $4.99., and they don't have anywhere near the page count or production value that you describe your adventure having.
Not sure my confidence can bear more than $3.99 lol at least not for this first attempt. But that’s good info to know, thanks!
@@tabletopalchemy I would gladly pay $5.99 such a robust product. I can't wait until it goes on sale.