Building a new NES in 2022: Introducing the Super 8 Bit NES board!
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- Thanks to PCBway for sponsoring this video! www.pcbway.com/ The Super 8 Bit is a project that allows you to build a NES and Famicom console from scratch, using almost 100% new parts. Unlike the original NES and Famicom, the Super 8 Bit was designed for RGB in mind, so it can be paired with the NESRGB to deliver fantastic results! On this week's Fix it Friday we will build one from the ground up and go through all of it's awesome features!
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Wow this project looks incredible. Definitely would like to see how it finishes up with a proper enclosure.
Yeah this was a lot of fun! I need to reach out to some of the guys that do 3d design and see if they can help with this case
@@LIRetroGaming this was going to be my question. I did not find a case after searching online (unless you buy the pre-built edition). Either way, great work and thanks for sharing this project. Love it!
I made the Super 8 bit pre-assembled from 2014-2016 in an aluminum powder coated case, which cost $130 each and I had to order at least 25 for that price. Recently I decided to make more of the PCBs, but not the cases. I wasn't sure if I could get 25 or so people willing to pay that much just for the case.
@@lowbudgetify 3d scan one so it can be 3d printed for pennies?
@@LIRetroGaming , I wonder if you will fill in the void that is being left behind by Analog NT now since they are going to no longer make NES/FDS and SNES/NSFC clone systems?
Such a cool build. Not sure why it's so satisfying watching you solder things to the board!
Thanks, I’m glad that you enjoyed the video!
Much love to you! I sent my PS1 to get the xstation mod and I had a non-compatible board. My man emailed me and explained the issues, took what I sent him and made the console I dreamed of. 200% recommend his service.
Thanks man, I’m glad you’re enjoying it!
How many games do you have?
I wish there was something like this for SNES and the N64. Great video.
Man I'm 100% with you there. I want my next project to be an SNES and then I can do my N64 if something ever comes out....
I wonder if it's possible to create/add a cartridge peripheral to an SNES mini console...🤔
Probably.
@@NordicDan I'd honestly also love to see a genesis/mega drive board that has an integrated 32x and triple bypass
SNES/SFC might be doable but would certainly be way more difficult on the count of the fact that all the chips are surface mount and have smaller pins. Still doable but definitely more complex.
The N64 on the other hand seems incredibly unfeasible because it has way more custom chips and unless I'm remembering wrong some of them are BGA soldered to the board (if they're not and I'm just remembering wrong somebody please correct me).
Do you know of any one working on a new board for a top loader NES? We need someone in the community to come out with a pcb replacement in this form factor
Yes, redherring32 is making one and it’s almost finished!
@@LIRetroGaming Fantastic! I have a bad board that needs to be rebuilt, but no replacement pcbs exist yet! I hope you review it when it gets released. I love your NES builds and projects
@@LIRetroGaming 👀
@@LIRetroGaming I hope it has composite out by default.
Russians made a gerber of Dendy. There is link for the file. look it up at emuland
I love that a dead NES could be resurrected as long as the core chips are still working. Truly amazing what people in the retro modding scene are capable of!
I'm honestly too tired because of work to keep watching but I really enjoy seeing the soldering reinforcements on the back of the board and the clipping of the extra wire parts because that's not something I see in a lot of retro console or handheld fixes. It's part of the beauty of building from scratch that isn't really shown in other "from scratch" builds with raw mobos. This was ASMR type satisfying both from the visuals and the midi music
Thanks! I really try to make the soldering as clean as possible, with very short and organized wiring connections whenever it’s possible
Imagine if Nintendo would just make one of these with a modern HDMI implementation and game pack support. Glad you did it!
Really great video, thank you for keeping the soldering footage. People don't realize what a time investment it is. They also might not realize how detail oriented it has to be, one simple polarity or component value mistake can means hours of troubleshooting, or worse. You did an excellent job.
Thanks, I appreciate the kind words and it’s true, it does take a lot of time to complete projects like this
omg i can watch you do these all day. love the 8bit audio as well. great video and you got me into retro repair and modding. Please shoe more videos for us dummies for how to solder and beginner stuff. Great videos keep them coming.
Thanks so much man! I always appreciate the support
The fact you didn't use Red wire to connect the R in RGB made me unreasonably upset
Never could do this on my own, but fantastic to see your work! NICE JOB!
You can do this.
*Watches you leave a row of VRAM pins unsoldered and yelling at the screen.*
Well they got soldered eventually, otherwise it wouldn’t work
Really great board. I wish there would be a shell for it. So I could have my own awesome NES.
I could harvest my junk famicom and build a RGB mod on top of it like you did.
I need to get back to this project and get a case solution figured out
Love it!! Can't wait to see it in a cool case!
I love to watch you assembling all this stuff... Is relaxing! 😊 😊
Congrats!
NB: to lessen the chance of IC damage due to ESD (especially as you're not using any ESD protection) - I recommend installing the ICs last. For two reasons:
1. it reduces the amount of handling time
2. once the passives are mounted they provides alternate discharge paths to prevent discharge through the IC
Incorrect Diode array = Resistor Network (RN stands for this such as RN1 RN2 etc) this is a package that is a bunch of resistors that are teamed off of pin 1. So yes a polarity to them to the teamed pin, but the other pins are independent resistor connections to the teamed pin 1. Each one is 8 resistors in 1 for the packages you have. so if you measure pin 1 to pin 2 and pin 1 to pin 3 and so on referencing all other pins to pin 1 the resistance will all be similar within the tolerance of the Resistor Network Package.
Would be nice to have an HDMI output option.
Bit pointless to have an HDMI output on a device that doesn't even do 16 bit.
@@MrJoeyWheeler Not pointless at all if you only have a modern TV.
@@MrJoeyWheelerHDMI would be sick for capturing, even if it didn’t do any scaling.
Love your vids, very chill and informative, i'm gonna do an NESRGB install when mine comes in the mail soon, ordered it september 6th but took a bit to ship.
It's been very suspenseful as i desoldered everything weeks ago with a pretty bad soldering iron and hand solder pump, but it went surprisingly well, i hope once it's actuallly installed and done that it actually works, but i've watched you install so many of them that that shouldn't be a problem hahah
Your retro skills are unmatched!
Thanks, I appreciate that!
Damn you’re so good at this stuff.
Thanks, really appreciate it
I always look forward to these videos on a Friday, so interesting!
Thanks, I appreciate that!
would be very cool to see a nice custom case for this board.
22:40 T.W. NESRGB pinout jumper explanation
Very cool! Thanks for sharing the experience with this board.
This is the future I wanted. I'm glad we're finally here.
Any NES content such as this is awesome. Thanks for posting.
Super awesome build and saw your comment about an enclosure. Would love to see a picture of it if you are able to stuff it in a case.
Yes I will definitely have a follow up video on the case!
For videos like this I subscribed to the channel and every Friday I am faithful to see these great modifications to retro consoles, from my part I congratulate you brother for such beautiful work you do. you are a crack my respect for your person
Thanks brother! Always appreciate your support
Your soldering skills are most impressive.
HA! I finally sat down and did my NESessity build with a Hi-Def NES a couple months ago, and it was instantly a favorite with both my kids and me. Seeing a new generation board released so shortly after I finally finished my build hit me funny. Still awesome to see continued support and modernizing for these vintage consoles. I'm hoping a similar update for the SNES is developed sooner rather than later, along with some sort of legitimate HDMI mod.
Fantastic! I’m glad that you built a NESessity, they are a lot of fun. I really hope that a super Nintendo board gets designed as well, that would be awesome!
give it time, I'm pretty sure there is someone right now working on an NES SOC, a complete sistem on a chip, that way they can implement true HDMI support and many more features
I find these console assembly videos oddly satisfying. If my uncle were alive and still with us today he would agree with me... maybe.
I would love to see more of these PCBs for more consoles, and replacement for the main unit chips, you will end up mounting your own mega drive, NES...
Yeah I hope more of these projects get made
So damn close, there's just two edits I want.
1. Include the Nintendo multi out on the PCB itself. The Nintendo av cable just uses a pcb as the male connector, and it would be more cost effective to just add it to the main PCB.
2. New surface mount components for everything that can be replaced with a modern equivalent. It would reduce the board size some more, making the PCB cheaper, and SMD is usually cheaper/ more common these days.
I want to make my own Famicom board with this design in mind, including a pin header for an s-video comb filter adapter, dsub 15 for accessories, db9 for controllers (dendy Pinot), a 3.5mm for the mic, and usb power.
I just don't play enough NES to care, and the price for games just keeps rising. Plus this is a complicated design for me, it would take like a year.
That's a rad kit! I hope you had a bucket of ice in standby for your hands after all of that soldering. 😁
I got happy seeing you using sockets, is the best idea but not everyubody uses them, very nice man!
Thanks! Yeah it definitely makes projects like this much easier, especially if something goes wrong
Hey, this was awesome!
I have some questions that you may have answered somewhere in the comments below, but at the time of writing this comment there are already 441 other comments (so please forgive me if I don't go hunting through all of them to find answers to my questions).
Questions:
1. For Famicom cartridges, is there a way to modify the board (either directly or via some kind of daughter board) so that the cartridge can be used with the front label facing front instead of facing the TV (or monitor)?
2. When you had the Famicom version of Super Mario Brothers being demonstrated in your video, is it just me or was the time remaining countdown clock running a bit faster than it should be? Perhaps the chip(s) that handle the clock were a bit fast?
3. Who makes the GREEN colored boards that you installed on the Super 8 Bit (I'll later abbreviate as S8B) main board? Do those also come in the same color as the S8B mainboard?
4. When will you be testing the expansion port?
5. Did you have to sacrifice an old NES for the NES-specific chips in this build? If not did they come with the kit or did you have to obtain them somewhere online? Perhaps that info is in the instructions from the links you provided just under your fantastic video.
6. Could you explain the use of the liquid you sometimes used? It seems like sometimes you used it when soldering some components to the board but other times you did not.
This was fantastic and really enjoyable to watch.
A NES Styled Case with Famicon's Color would be really dope for this.
I like that idea
Thoroughly impressed watching you do those tight solder points with an average sized soldering iron. That and how clean it looks when you're done. Well done!
Thanks! It’s good to put a lot of work into a project like this and have it turn out nicely
I was also surprised how icey his soldering was with size of the iron. My man is nice with it! My first time watching. I really enjoyed it. I will be watching other videos
I can't believe I've only just heard about the multimeter trick to detect the ohm of a resistor. I'm officially 20 years a noob... Awesome video too - thanks!
It's not so much a hack as a shortcut. The color code tells you what the value should be underload in a circuit with a tolerance value. This is more important in troubleshooting and repair than assembly.
You should rig up a little adapter for the Famicom port so you can turn it around to face the front.
That would be cool to do
awesome! love your posts, keep saving old consoles. 👍
great job, better than any emulator, the true thing, with little tweaks if wanted, that's great! Shame that you did not preserve the cartridge horizontal insertion, because you should be able to make a case which would be as close as the original one!
Fantastic skills glad ima found your channel as love tinkering with retro tech and fixing broken consoles etc
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed it
that RGB-jumper cables (and CYV) should have it's own ground connection as well for close coupling of somewhat fast signalling. As it stands, the return path for those signals is from "where ever" it can find the return path, instead of where it wants to go, which is the same route as it came from. Providing separate ground will make better image quality and reduce EMI issues....
There's - connection point provided at the other end for you to do that I think... you should.
Thanks for that info. I can add that additional ground
@@LIRetroGaming just make sure there's ground available on both ends... that - looks like ground, but i'm sure the documentation can tell you if it is :)
I'm electronics designer, so thinking and watching for stuff like this is second nature :)
I remember a video of Kevtris talking about having a console that played everything (Zimba 3000) or something. I would kill for a NES, SNES, N64 console. Imagine having a single board with all three cartridge slots and controller ports. Something like sending your three consoles or special chips/controller ports from them to Long Island Retro to have it assembled. I'd pay 1,000 dollars for something like that, ESPECIALLY if they output RGB/HDMI. Then collaborating with some of these other guys on youtube for a special case. I work at a place in the US that produce injection molded parts. We even build all of our molds here. I've always wanted to get involved with some kinds of retro video game related stuff. I've had several ideas for years now and never had the money to build the molds to make it happen but maybe if enough people in the community were on board it could happen one day.
Awesome redesign now if only there was a proper 3d printed case.
So, my wife mentioned she never got to see Mario 3 all the way through as a child. We have storage bays and someone had left a NES in it awhile back. Dug it out and had to take it apart and clean and SMB3 was in it. So, here’s the thing. Both my wife and I were astonished at how bad we were at the game. We are 40 yrs old, btw. We both had bragged to each other about our younger years Mario prowess and it literally took us two hours to get to world 3??? Later that night I did some research and learned about the latency issue with LCD screens vs the old CRT TVs. There’s even a gentleman who made an iOS app called “Is it snappy” to test. Thankfully I discovered that our TV had a “Game” mode that reduced the 100ms latency down to a more reasonable number. What a difference it made! Or at least we think it did. The improvement could have also been the couple hours of practice the night before. Made me think of the thousands that have probably revisited older consoles and had this happen, walking away with their tale tucked. I also learned that modern consoles using HDMI will allow TVs to recognize the console and automatically switch to game mode.
The lag in LCDs has caused so much fighting between me and my friends over the years! Especially playing fighting games. I cannot abide even a bit of lag or it throws my timing off utterly. Thankfully most LCDs have a gaming mode, now. Good luck on finally beating SMB3!
When I’m rusty in a Mario game, I find a warp room with tubes and just jump around. Use visual cues on the floor and jump to them at different speeds and jump heights. Caffeine helps too 😂
Just got mine in the mail. Open it up and thought well i need all the parts to build it. So i ordered the parts kit. I should just ordered it all together. I can't wait to build it, i need my 200th way to play NES games. Lol
"wow, a gold NES!? Is that some kind of special editi--oh the gray plastic just yellowed..."
I really do need to retrobrite that thing
I'd love to mod an NES to use pogo pin connectors rather than the style of spring that the original had. The main reason being that the pogo pins should be a bit more resilient when inserting and removing carts, or at bare minimum a bit easier on the carts.
This is a really cool product - reminds me of my past Megasquirt projects, only now it’s for the NES. There’s a huge personal satisfaction completing something like this, that you definitely can’t buy off the shelf.
Does this fit into the original case? If not, no big deal. A PCB soldering + 3D printing project sounds like a great time with my kids.
Yeah it is certainly a lot of fun to make. Right now there is no shell for this system but I’m hoping that someone can design a nice 3-D printed case
Its like building your own analog nes
This is once again a great video! Thanks alot
so if you think about it, a wormhole is essentially a monitor connected to the internet
Wonderful video!
29:00 wow i never bother checking any nes psu . good to know about positive pinout . i'd assume every barrel type psu always had positive center for safety
Yeah it’s definitely important to check the barrel polarity to match the console. Some consoles from the 80s-90s have the positive on the outside, but nowadays it’s way more common to have positive on the inside
I've always wondered why not make modern boards just input 5v natively and use a usb-c connector vs voltage regulation...
LOL The 8 bit music is so fitting for this.
really like to see this project
I watch these going this looks so cool I should look into this. Then I remember that I already have the setup I want. I just always get the itch to build something when watching other people do it. LOL
I totally understand that! My personal set up has stayed the same for quite some time, but I love building stuff for other people
0:30 - "Original NESessity Console"
Clever pun twist on _Necessity_
Fun fact: You can trim sockets or put one next to the other.
These PCB replacements have been very popular lately, this one is probably the best one so far, but I still think there are some things that could be implemented like a multi-tap and a 50/60Hz switch, but how many games have you tested with it? I think it's not impossible to have some compatibility issues with Battletoads with the second level crashing.
I have only tested a few but the developer of this console has done very extensive testing. It doesn’t seem to have any issues with any games
The PAL NES uses a different CPU and PPU to the NTSC NES, so switching regions isn't a trivial affair like it is on many other consoles. You'd essentially have two put two CPUs and two PPUs in one console and switch between them.
The NES 4 score will not work with the built-in controller ports due to the plug design. Other than that, every game and accessory I've tried has worked. I made a old video where I tested the Zaper (NES and Famicom version,) R.O.B. robot, Famicom disk system, Famicom keyboard, Famicom 3D glasses, and microphone functionality.
I've found glitches on the menu screen when using the Everdrive can be fixed by removing the 68p capacitor near the PPU.
@@lowbudgetify What I suggest is having 4 controller ports built into the board itself, there is a cheap PCB on Aliexpress that has this built-in as well as some clone consoles, but a lot of them use a 9-pin connector instead of a proper NES port, but I'm not to link it here since TH-cam would delete my comment.
You should try making the original prototype NES case!
Like that idea!
you should try to retrofit this board into the Sharp Famicom, unless you have other plans for it?
It won’t fit into a Sharp twin Famicom shell
Damn, that thing sounds amazing
Yeah I really enjoy the independent controls for each sound channel
This would be really awesome in a clear case!
Absolutely
Like your soldering skills
Has anyone mentioned that you sound a bit like Patton Oswalt? It's absolutely blowing my mind.
Hahaha yes I have heard that before!
This is a cool project. It makes me want to build one. Then I remember that I don't play nes enough to warrant building one.
Sweet! Nice work. Very tempted to build one of these repro mobo's. 🤘
It’s certainly a fun project!
The dot indicates the pin 1 location so you can match the polarity of the part and place it correctly.
Yes that is correct. Sorry I forgot to mention that during the video
how ironic... i was just in long island a few weeks ago. anyways great video! i remember you or some one doing this awile ago
I’ve done similar projects before, the Opentendo and the NESessity
perfect to make the N Toaster mark III
low_budget is amazing.
Okay so I can't place the music about halfway through the video when you're doing the speed up. It's on the tip of my brain but I can't think of it and it's driving me bananas🤪
The music info is in the description
great build! Wood case would be amazing.
Yes I’m definitely thinking about a wood case
Awesome! I also built a NESessity thanks to your old video.
That’s great! I’m glad the NESessity video was helpful
I wish there was a way to implement HDMI on these too. RGB is relatively expensive with finding compatible displays, cables, etc. I guess for the enthusiast it isn't bad but for the average person...oh wait, $20-30/mo most can get that kind of play on their Nintendo Switch. I guess I am a bit of a purist in some ways where I will go so far to play games on original hardware but using modern connection methods.
There used to be an HDMI mod but they are no longer being made. This is definitely something for enthusiasts, but the important thing is that people enjoy retro games, that’s really the only thing that matters
How much does it cost to build the entire thing?
Ok, so the 6502 and the PPU were my biggest issue. I set out to rebuild the NES board using all new parts. Have it fit the console shell and mate up just like original. I made a couple modifications via a connector so that if you didn't want to out wear and tear on your antique carts you could use sdcard to store them.
The CPU was a tough deal. Unless I ruined a console or found a broken one with a good cpu and ppu I could harvest but that ruined the whole spirit... the idea of all modern hardware.
I solved the Cpu by sourcing a chip with backwards compatibility. It was the nes lock out chip and PPU that were troublesome.
Even though I walked away with a working console it was a failure. Nes lockout, ppu and cpu all set a tough hurdle. My only answer was to instead consolidate and use am FPGA for all three. I ended up with a console that booted up exactly like a nes but if you flipped a switch on mobo you can turn on sd card storage have access to a basic menu system that allowed tweaking. In the end ... it wasn't worth it
Is the lockout chip even required? I thought you could cut one of the pins to disable it on an original NES to help eliminate flashing screens.
I wish I was skilled enough to do something like that. But I am not good at sodering and I don't know anything about electronics :(
Still watched the whole video! Very informative none the less!
wish i could do stuff like that would love to that one
I also have several projects that you could do videos on for custom I have all the materials and parts if you would be interested in and doing videos with it. Some custom rebuilds. It's not that I can't do it myself but definitely can bring extra content but no cost to you. I don't make videos I just mainly do custom PC builds and mods
And I've been soldering for a while sometimes I have the touch sometimes I don't. It's nice to see someone do some good soldering so many videos I see it looks like crap
I know that this i kind of a old video, but i saw on X that some people are working on a fully replacement for the nes cpu and ppu using fpga and microcontroler.
Would be amazing if you can bring this topic in case it comes out as a viable option.
I was just about to comment that it's a shame all of these need original cpu and ppu, because it would be a shame to take a part a console that could still be repaired. fpga is great but also expensive, but I hope it's just a first step in making 1 to 1 clone chips
@@PyhisPahis They are using a rp 2040, the same used on the $5 raspberry pi pico for the cpu. The ppu is a $30 fpga. I think it's pretty affordable.
Amazing video. Could you make a tutorial of that pcb design? Would be very appreciated!
The creator of the super 8 bit, low_budget, might be able to do that. Glad that you enjoyed it!
Is there no manufacturer of new CPU's and PPU's for the NES platform? Does this project require salvaged chips from dead consoles?
Yes, those chips are no longer being made. You need donors from dead consolss
nice work.. let's hope there's nothing you have to update or fix, you'll have to desolder a few wires.
Fortunately it’s working great!
Those things are so rad! I love watching you do these builds. Are these only custom made PCB’s or can they be ordered directly?
These can be ordered directly and I put a link in the description
Nice product and I will build mine eventually. I bought a famicom and famicom av to use for the parts. How much can you salvage from an existing products instead of using new digikey parts? I like to give my desolding station some usage. Going to use the composite for now.
There’s a decent amount of overlapping components between this and the famicom
Neat board, good build. Looks like they're sold out on tindie, but jointed the waitlist. One nitpick is you keep referring to plated through-holes as vias, which are not the same thing, and might be confusing to people. For instance, in >2 layer boards, there can be vias that don't go through the entire board, but a through-hole (the items you're referring to) are always all the way through the board.
Yeah sorry about that. I’m just so used to working on boards that have two or more layers and I have a bad habit of using those terms interchangeably
é mais facil comprar um SUP game que no brasil 2 dolar você acha nas feiras , mas não tira o mérito e o trabalho incrivel de montar uma maquina do zero , parabéns
would be awesome if you could slide the cartridge in so it can be more compact.
23:19 why close Jumper 10 for the Dejitter? can you please explain why it is necessary on NTSC/NTSC-J consoles? Thanks, great video
the dejitter feature helps to standardize the sync from the NES. Some modern scalers can have issues with the sync on the nes, so the dejitter feature helps with that
@@LIRetroGaming thanks for the info ✌🏻
it would look cool if you used a smoke grey for the plastic. might have to look into metal hinges for the trap doors on the 3d print though plastic ones might ware out to fast.
Yeah there are lots of possibilities with the shell. I need to partner up with someone on that because that is not one of my skills
It would be interesting to make an Atari 2600 style case for this, just for the sake of amusement.
Was thinking of a Master System or Genesis case.
I have thought about making a wood grain style case for this. I’ll definitely post an update!
Cool project, it would be nice if some new board come with the rpg board built it or something
Yeah that would be good. Although it would definitely make it more expensive
@@LIRetroGaming Yes, definitely