RIDICULOUS Sparring & Going For The KILL
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2024
- Crossing this line in sparring seems crazy to me.
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Have you ever had someone hurt you in sparring
and then they attack even more? I hope not
One time I almost felt like half my face got paralyzed because of a punch. It fractured a bone seperating my eye socket and nose, causing any blown air to go into my eye. I was literally able to blow my eye up like a baloon. I had to avoid moves that could create pressure to my eye like nose blowing, sneezing and caughing. It healed on his own in a couple of days but my lips continued to feel numb for months.
No, but I have had people try to deliberately injure me in sparring, as in break my knee. That's why I refuse to allow heel hooks because there are jerkoffs who will hold on to it long after you tap and try to break your knee. Those people, I hurt and I don't feel bad about it.
Yep... About 22-23 years ago I got dropped with a liver shot.. Then my sparring partner came at me with axe kicks while I was on my knees. Another time, about 11 years ago, I was sparring a guy who was jacked(he was taking PEDs). He kept coming at me with serious intent. Swinging for the fences and not holding back. I asked him a few times to tone it down but he just kept coming. I ended up breaking two of his ribs with a side-kick because he just kept coming hard. I almost didn't feel bad about it.
When i started training 3 years ago i would fall for that trap. Luckily i was smart enough to prioritize health over ego
I hung with a group in high school, an interesting mix of all kinds (anime nerds to wrestling and track with a healthy mix in between) and we would frequently bare knuckle body box at bonfires. It was usually a core group who all knew each other and either dabbled or actively trained in martial arts and trusted each other to keep it fun.
Of course having such a wide range of skill levels and such we were always very clear to communicate before hand but friends-of-friends would sometimes want to participate and we tried to be inclusive as much as possible.
You can imagine that situation going south and it certainly did a few times but we were surprisingly chill looking back on it now.
Had several people over the years who brought themselves some pain by beating on the "weaker" people and getting really smug about it. We would usually just touch with a loose fist but kicks weren't out of the question if someone got too rambunctious.
The hardest I've ever had someone try and cripple or injure me, beside a few random "jump out of your car and punch someone riding their bike" types is my brother.
Growing up with a sibling is a different kind of violence. At least we never punched heads, no matter how angry we got. Definitely tried to stomp my knee while I was using the microwave, threatened to stab me in my sleep kinda thing.
There's this younger and skilled guy that I'd sparred with occasionally. At one point during a spar, I avoided his attack. Then people on the side were going "Ooooooh!" By that time I realized that I should have been completely knocked out because I didn't realize he set me up for a follow up. However, he knew what was going on and pulled his kick at the last second. After that I always looked to partner up with him because he showed us he was aware and I could rely on him to keep me safe. I wish all sparring partners were like this.
Awesome story! Thanks for sharing.
I had a sparring partner throwing everything with all his power. Even after I said chill out a couple times and I got a nod back. So I just started lighting him up. After I felt terrible, he was stumbling around the ring, had a big swollen orbital bone. I actually stopped training for a couple weeks because I felt terrible. When I went back I apologised and he said “no thank you, I needed that, you taught me a lesson”. It’s like some people really don’t understand how hard they’re going sometimes
Sometimes we learn the hard way
Telling people isn’t enough most of the time. Most people need to be taught the hard lesson instead of listening to words. Pretty annoying especially if you’re not good enough to teach the lesson.
I had a guy going super hard and when I went hard he asked me why I was going so hard. Annoying
There’s at least one of those dbags in every gym - can’t stand em
Clueless!
i feel like the average dude is like this & i hate it
@@powdermuaythai ya I’m a heavyweight and people have to prove they hit hard or something on bigger guys.
@@Ufc12355 As a pretty small person who frequently spars with larger people due to lack of options at my size, I always pull back on my strikes until/unless the other person asks me to go harder. It's a matter of mutual respect for me, since I figure they're generally going lighter in order to make things fairer.
Martial arts needs to be about mutual respect. Intentionally injuring your partners doesn’t help you or anyone else improve.
Sheesh. I've started training in Thailand 5 months ago, my first expirience with martial arts. I love that thai guys mostly about very light sparring.
They understand that technical sparring is a lot better in many ways but need both still
They are doing a light spar with you because you are a tourist. It’s a complete myth they only do light sparring.
Something i drill into my daughter, who is just dabbling with martial arts enough to try and protect herself, is you ALWAYS defend at 100% speed and intention. If your sparring at 10% power or fighting at 100% power, defense is always at 100%.
If you and your sparring partner agree to 20% don't fall into the trap of thinking you only have to defend at 20% too. Your partner should follow the tips above, obviously, but i find thinking of defense at 100 can help avoid some of the power shot people throw during sparring
Ohhh that's great advice, I'll incorporate that way of thinking during sparring. Thanks!
Nice tip, was already high into my defence but I like this approach
Big agree with this, I had someone tell me they don't like light sparring bc they feel handicapped defensively if someone lacks control or decides to go hard for an unjustified reason, but I don't understand why you would handicap yourself defensively, if anything I'm more annoyed with my defense being lazy when the strikes are slow, one of the best parts of technical sparring is that you can still develop defense at 100% speed and intention
You might want to reword that first sentence lol
@@jamescooke7243 are we not doing phrasing anymore?
This is a great message. I usually see these types of hard sparring videos getting out of hands at boxing gyms, especially when people use head gear. I think head gear give the false impression that their brain in more protected. Sparring etiquette is a product of the gym culture which is set by the coaches.
Yes. Headgear simply assists with mitigating cuts and bruises on the face.
The impact damage is still very dangerous
It's always with boxing gyms. Insane actually when even most Muay Thai gyms spar carefully.
there was this one time when i was sparring this beginner. he was about 10-20 lbs heavier than me and taller than me. bro was swinging for the fences. i would block and i'd still feel it. i'm a pretty calm person and even if people swing on me, i'll go light. he just went too hard though and i couldn't keep my cool, so i started going heavy too. at one point, i dropped him with a southpaw overhand and i felt terrible. kept asking him if he was good. going heavy just doesn't feel good
Fully agree about trying to keep your sparring partners safe. It was just last week that I landed my first knockdown in sparring after about 2 years of training, and it was an accident (I grabbed my partner's head to break their posture while doing a knee to the body and they tried to duck out of it, so they ended up hitting their chin on my leg).
This is a much bigger problem in boxing sparring than kickboxing and muay thai sparring. Boxing generally doesn't really teach the moral values that you get from martial arts training. It's much more cruelly pragmatic in that way. Not to say every boxer is like that but any means. You even get some fighters like George Foreman and Manny Pacquiao who have shown mercy to their opponents in actual fights when it was clear they couldn't defend themselves. But there's definitely a different attitude when it comes to these sports.
I'd agree with that. Boxers spar to smash each other.
Kickboxing is a little better
Muay thai is pretty good (although they box really hard over there with headgear)
I've boxed in two boxing gyms and they both sparred excessively hard.. walked home with concussion (headaches) many times.. I've kickboxed in two places and visited a muay thai gym to spar too.. None of them sparred that hard and people were verbally put in their place when going too hard.
Boxing is just behind in their times.. It's not even like hard sparring makes you any better.. In fact if you're a beginner you're just going to end up scared
@@GabrielVargaOfficial I boxed as a kid and now as an adult do bjj n Muay Thai. In boxing gyms it was normal to put beginners in the ring and let them really hurt each other and just carry on. I was dropped by body shots very often by much older people. Now that I train bjj, which has a much more respectful culture, I can’t believe that’s how I used to train. Boxing is a cool sport but I hate the culture of most gyms. The training is also often really boring and largley revolves around gruelling fitness workouts that have little carry over to boxing skill. The best way to get better at boxing is to spar. But it’s just a shame that most gyms don’t know how to ensure people spar safely
Dutch Sparring can be insane though
True. Everyone hates boxers they are the worst people to train with.
Love this Gabriel, super well said👏
I can’t stand when you agree to go 60 percent and the A-hole is trying to sleep you. The coach always stressed to leave your egos at the door.
Dude 60% is still hella hard
This is why I stopped boxing. There are too few people who understand the mutual benefit that can come from sparring, they go in like it's a real fight and pound away. Some of us have work in the afternoon.
Very well Said ans explained !!! 👍👍👍💪
I absolutely Agree with you on this Gabriel, we do spar fairly hard at our gym, but as soon as we se someone get rocked, we either stop the sparring round till they recover or stop it fully and that is absolutely a good thing for someone not to get knocked down and get concussed but overall an amazing video Gabriel keep up the amazing work! 🥊
The clip took place in a boxing gym, that kind of culture is typically the norm in boxing gyms. They don’t have the same respectful bushido mentality that martial art dojos do.
To quote my coach during sparring nights: “Push each other, but I better not be driving someone to the hospital for concussion or stiches.”
I clinch sparred a much younger and fitter guy than me who is also much more skilled.
After a bit of push here and there, he decided to abandon the clinch, step around and bodylock me from behind and suplex throw me on my shoulder pretty hard. It sprained my shoulder and the pain was immense. It put me out of action for months. In striking sparring, his punches always had me seeing stars, You gotta be so careful who you spar with.
What an asshole
Gabriel, I´ve started boxing now, after some years of kickboxing and jiujitsu, and following and learning from you. I never had that situation, but I guess is better just to stop, when the other one turns wild, and tell that is just a practices. I think that the posibility of this situations can happen is related with the gym itself. In the mine, the trainer says, to welcome the new ones: "Here, we train, nobody steals and there is no violence".
As we say in my boxing gym : no brain, no gain !
Thank you.
Great points Gabriel, thanks for another great video. I’d like to add one point from my own personal experience. This happened during the sparring portion of a belt test years ago. I clipped my sparring partner in the nose with a round kick unintentionally .. it was just my big toe that caught him, but it got him pretty good (unfortunately) and his nose blew up and started to bleed immediately. I stopped to get the refs attention, and while I was in the process of doing that he clipped me in the ear with a spin hook kick, hard enough to ring a bell. So my advice on top of what you mentioned is to make sure that you’re in a safe position when you stop to check on the other guy, because adrenaline might be high enough for something to come back your way while you’re pausing.. just a thought. Thanks again.
The only thing you get from willingly hurting your sparring partners is a bad reputation and lack of sparring partners.
Yeah I did hard boxing sparring for 10 years with buddies from different martial arts background. We went hard but the one rule was - we don't follow up on big shots. You land something clean, back off, reset. Sometimes a second or third punch are already in the way, especially if not to the head, that's ok. But you don't land something clean then step in to finish the job. It kept us pretty safe, no real injuries ever.
Agreed 💯%
Hey Gabriel, can you do an analysis of Samart Payakaroon and Kongthoranee Payakaroon's defense? Both brothers were known to have exceptional defense in muay thai and later went on to do professional boxing and fought for the WBC boxing title. Samart even went on to win WBC boxing title, although the reign was short.
nice
Agreed
i live in victoria downtown. that sucks to hear that this mentality is popular in vic. especially since i was considering starting kickboxing in september. guess ill have to really make sure a gym is chill in that regard before i join
As an old guy I stoped a couple of guys that went from sparring to fightiing. Also always talk to people after if I felt the sparring go to intense. Maybe it got to hard, maybe they got scared. Doesnt matter.
I was surprised how a shot with little power can still rock someone. I was sparring a guy and he kept throwing the same overhand. So i timed a left hook and land it right in between his shot (No power, i just threw to land) and this dude was on shaky legs. I really wanted to knock him out because he was going pretty hard but im not that type of person
If shot connects well or it is naturally powerful for you it could be very damaging without much. Especially with counters if they move into the shot.
A lot of boxing gyms are like that. I think it comes down to having respected leaders on the floor to prevent it.
If anything ufc 4 taught me, it’s never knock out ya sparring partner when you got a fight coming up
that guy pisses me off😂 I always try to knock him out on the last week of fight camp
Got scratched by velcro all the way up my face last night during grappling. I look like I've been in a bike accident
There was one dude who i was sparring bigger and heavier than me before a tournament and would just stand there taking my shots i was thinking " umm okay why are u just standing there taking light shots " he then grabs me and knees me and brusies my fucking rib , i was so pissed taking a bruised rib into a fucking tournament :/
This is a big problem with boxing specifically it happens in other combat sports but it’s super prevalent in boxing
Thank you for the video Vargas i feel vindicated after a top tier fighter like you has this opinion...
Hey Gabriel, wondering what you thought about gym spars. I know youve had other fighters from different gyms come into spar. Do you have the same self control? or do you treat it as a fight almost? I doubt you do at this point because you are a world champion fighter but what about in your earlier days? Maybe amateur days?
Dear Coach..how serious should i take martial arts belt validation as a hobbyist?
I wasn't injured or really hurt, but before some time ago i sparred with a younger guy, Around 19 years old and weighing 73 kg, just like me (we're both into boxing). He was quite intense and on a few occasions, he felt I was hitting too hard. After such instances, he would retaliate with a few powerful shots, then stop and ask me to lighten up. I don't believe I was hitting any harder than necessary (considering I'm nearly three times his age). But he retaliate first and then asks to lower power. However, one time, things escalated, and he went all out. A left hook (hit the air) was followed by a right straight which ended the confrontation-he went down on one knee. He said some unpleasant things and I haven't seen him since. I apologize for that.
Generally, when I feel someone is hitting too hard, I simply lower my hands and ask them to ease up a bit-no need to go all out, just a gentler approach is all I ask for. In 99% of cases, they understand and adjust accordingly.
If sometimes, depending on my mood, guys hitting hard i go hard to the body - often respect is done afterwards and he goes normal. So i do to. At beginners i am more like a teacher showing him or her how to stand or how to throw correctly. Sometimes tackle them with a job SOFTLY so they know what is happen.
PS: Gabriel your Vids are very very good. I watch them often (near all - if time /interest allow)! :-) You cover very much points on fighting and it is nice - like reading our brains. Its fighting - you one of the best. Warm regards !
I just sparred a russian guy on the weekend and i thought he broke my nose w a punch. He was smaller and i feel he felt he had something to prove. I was going light but fast , a bit harder to the body bit light w head contact which i feel should be normal, but this guy was treating it like a real fight , i can just feel the pressure w some people its really annoying
Looks like Gab just came out of hard sparing
That’s one thing I like about my gym, but we do have some hard sparring partners if they land a good body shot or a shot Rocks you they will nine times out of 10 just shadowbox the rest of their combo
Say it once, Say it twice, the third time is punition.
Hey, Gabriel
I wonder if you could make a video, if you haven't done already, about your take on combat sports injuries and its worth for hobbyists like me. I go to Uni, work part-time and injuries related to combat sports get me sidelined for a few weeks.
Hope you can elaborate
Big thanks!
can we talk about that sick quick combo move at 4:35? 💀💀💀
that hand speed 😮
Yesterday I got pounded in ground (light spar) my neck is swollen now 🙄
Can someone answer me this i have a coach who dosent do class with us but then after i have done a whole class of padwork wants to spar me and punches and kicks me so hard i had a huge welt on my elbow from blocking his kick and also my head butzing from getting punched by him.😂
Is this normal? He goes alot harder than anyone else, but hes fresh and were tired when this happens
I wanna learn, not get hurt(yet)
If both parties agree on the type of sparring i dont see any reason for complaint unless the other partner is significantly more skilled then they should exercise restraint, spar soft youll fight soft I would know
That's how you get shot in the gym parking lot. 😂
I think the only hard shots should be to the body unless your sparring with a complete beginner its just win-win for both if you go hard to the body. One gets conditioning and one refines his technique and develops power. I think Bodyshot TKo is the only valid ko you should have in sparring it takes far more skill than just swinging at a fatigued sparring partner to the head to get the knockdown.
I think if you lack the ability to control your emotions while sparring, you probably shouldn't be fighting, because losing control of your emotions in the ring or cage is almost always a disaster. That sparring session looked worse than some fights I've seen, because at least in a fight, the ref would have stepped in to put a stop to those punches to the back of the head when the other fighter started turtling.
If you feel like your sparring partner is trying to hurt you, the correct response is to either tell them to dial it back a bit, or else tell them that you're no longer interested in sparring with them. It should never be to try to hurt them back, because all that's going to do is guarantee that *one* of you gets hurt.
Some coaches are kinda stupid and encourage their fighters to spar like that...I saw it on several occasions. I really don't like it.
I’ve seen it at my gym with young guys turning sparring into gym fights.
CTE before the fight.
SPEED not POWER for Sparring
I hate it when I see it in competition. A guy goes down and is clearly unconscious and not defending themselves....and the other guy jumps on him and starts hammer fisting the face until the ref stops it.
Why. In a sport where you are already at risk for brain damage....let's just try to ensure the other guy gets hurt.
And there is always the flock of morons "iF yOu DoNt LiKe tHe sPoRt....."
And that's in an actual fight. Sparing? If you do that to someone I think you should be barred from the gym for life
It’s a necessary evil in a real fight, fights have been lost because a fighter showed mercy and the ref didn’t see and the opponent got a second wind. I’m not saying it’s a good thing morally, but it’s a reality of the fight game that you don’t stop until the ref tells you to.
That's an actual fight not practice
It takes a lot of skill and self control to spare safely, and most people don't have it, even if they're not malicious.
I think some individuals should not be allowed into a gym period, it's interesting how many psychotic and disturbed individuals coaches are happy to turn into fighters, then again maybe they are the better fighters overall, interesting topic
My goal was never to be a world champion. I don’t have it. I just strived to be a good training partner
There are some truly moronic gyms out there
I hate when people get angry sparring. You get angry with me, then screw it, I'm not playing that game. You can go spar with someone else.
maybe they're not sparring for training. but to actually fight, like they have some personal problem with each other. rather than having street fight, they use the excuse of sparring since it's safer.
maybe :p
I stopped kickboxing over this. You cant trust these guys.
Can't believe this guy is 39. Looks like 26-27.
😀🙏🙏
Thanks dude
I can’t stand watching people celebrate or not caring about knocking out their sparring partner.i assume there is some context I’m not seeing, like shit talking, rough moves, someone gf got f**ked, etc.
Dog house type spar... they gotta have em once in a while. Thing is in boxing in a doghouse type ring the kind where its tow to tow almost a tire... thats where u learn pressure. But i just go like that to da body.
Wtf
Nobody should get hit in the back of the head as i saw on a video of a boxer who got permanent brain damage from strikes to back of the head. sadly, the guy is a vegetable now. The instructor should prob have rules- no hitting in back of the head, no throat shots, kick to groin etc... And when a student is visibly stunned or hurt the instructor should probably pull the person out of sparring for the day. Then maybe teach him how to effectively defend himself - cos maybe he doesn't know.
Guys with tempers cant SPAR,,,,,they dont see it as sparing,,to them its a real actual fight........these guys with tempers just want to fight,thats all they want to do,,,they dont want to practice,,learn from their opponents,,learn new ways,,,,learn from their mistakes,,,,,they just want to fight,,,,,,happens all the time.....its best to not spar with a guy who has a hot temper,,..also,,dont do anything with blacks,they all have child like tempers
Mans has a white sheet with holes cut out hangin in his closet😂😂😂😂
in our country the nick name for boxers is "damaged head" i was hearing this for years but never paid attention to origination of that term and the meaning behind it, and then that other day i realized the meaning of it, those big gloves, sparring like hard like !diots... kids must be protected from this power slap level BS.
I’m sorry but…. It’s almost always the ✊🏿… just an observation